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Title: Monday- Cavs at Lakers...........
Post by: teecee on January 17, 2009, 03:59:06 PM
Should be a good game.  Cavs destroyed the Hornets without two starters, so they MAY have a chance.
Being that it is in L.A., the obvious choice is the Lakers obviously, but the Cavs are always good against the Lakers, so who knows what will happen.

Pumped for the game.........hope its a preview of the finals.
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Post by: GangstaBoogy on January 17, 2009, 04:41:46 PM
why are we playing on a monday night?
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Post by: Teddy Roosevelt on January 17, 2009, 05:20:57 PM
why are we playing on a monday night?
It's a holiday and nationally televised game.
Title: Re: Monday- Cavs at Lakers...........
Post by: Chamillitary Click on January 17, 2009, 06:12:37 PM
if the Cavs perimeter game is on; Lakers gunna have a battle on their hands.
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Post by: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on January 17, 2009, 06:17:42 PM
Should be a good game.  Cavs destroyed the Hornets without two starters, so they MAY have a chance.
Being that it is in L.A., the obvious choice is the Lakers obviously, but the Cavs are always good against the Lakers, so who knows what will happen.

Pumped for the game.........hope its a preview of the finals.

lol@ "obviously"

I think the Cavs are better then the Magic and they are better then my Spurs right now. The Lakers have lost to both the Spurs and Magic in this week. Kinda funny to say the "obvious" choice is the Lakers.  Its anyones game, but there is no "obvious" pick lol
Title: Re: Monday- Cavs at Lakers...........
Post by: Chamillitary Click on January 17, 2009, 06:31:12 PM
Should be a good game.  Cavs destroyed the Hornets without two starters, so they MAY have a chance.
Being that it is in L.A., the obvious choice is the Lakers obviously, but the Cavs are always good against the Lakers, so who knows what will happen.

Pumped for the game.........hope its a preview of the finals.

lol@ "obviously"

I think the Cavs are better then the Magic and they are better then my Spurs right now. The Lakers have lost to both the Spurs and Magic in this week. Kinda funny to say the "obvious" choice is the Lakers.  Its anyones game, but there is no "obvious" pick lol

lol, the Lakers are the "obvious" choice vs. the USA team. 8)

i think the Cavs can put up a fight; its a much bigger game than you might think though, because LeBron almost has as many haters as 50 Cent on this board. :P
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Post by: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on January 17, 2009, 06:35:52 PM
Should be a good game.  Cavs destroyed the Hornets without two starters, so they MAY have a chance.
Being that it is in L.A., the obvious choice is the Lakers obviously, but the Cavs are always good against the Lakers, so who knows what will happen.

Pumped for the game.........hope its a preview of the finals.

lol@ "obviously"

I think the Cavs are better then the Magic and they are better then my Spurs right now. The Lakers have lost to both the Spurs and Magic in this week. Kinda funny to say the "obvious" choice is the Lakers.  Its anyones game, but there is no "obvious" pick lol

lol, the Lakers are the "obvious" choice vs. the USA team. 8)

i think the Cavs can put up a fight; its a much bigger game than you might think though, because LeBron almost has as many haters as 50 Cent on this board. :P

I hope youre being sarcastic about that USA team shit lol. I think both teams are good, but the Lakers have lost twice this week...one at home. i dunno who will win this game, but either team can.
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Post by: Chamillitary Click on January 17, 2009, 06:47:12 PM
Should be a good game.  Cavs destroyed the Hornets without two starters, so they MAY have a chance.
Being that it is in L.A., the obvious choice is the Lakers obviously, but the Cavs are always good against the Lakers, so who knows what will happen.

Pumped for the game.........hope its a preview of the finals.

lol@ "obviously"

I think the Cavs are better then the Magic and they are better then my Spurs right now. The Lakers have lost to both the Spurs and Magic in this week. Kinda funny to say the "obvious" choice is the Lakers.  Its anyones game, but there is no "obvious" pick lol

lol, the Lakers are the "obvious" choice vs. the USA team. 8)

i think the Cavs can put up a fight; its a much bigger game than you might think though, because LeBron almost has as many haters as 50 Cent on this board. :P

I hope youre being sarcastic about that USA team shit lol. I think both teams are good, but the Lakers have lost twice this week...one at home. i dunno who will win this game, but either team can.

na man, its "obvious" Kobe Bryant's presence>>>Wade, LeBron, Dwight & Bosh. :P ;D

but yeah, it could be a toss up. Lakers lost to the Spurs, but they still played mad good & that foul at the end of the game on Mason was just bullshit.

Cavs are playing like some beasts right now; this should be a statement game.

if the Cavs win i cant wait to see the responses lol. "Game didn't mean anything, its only mid-season (but the Celtic game determined this years champs lol)", "Kobe still outplayed LeBron even though LeBron has more points, assists, rebounds & steals & still Lakers>>>>>>Cavs", "LeBron traveled :P".

should be GREAT! 8)
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Post by: OG Hack Wilson on January 17, 2009, 06:48:16 PM
go...well can both teams lose?
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Post by: Chamillitary Click on January 17, 2009, 06:50:40 PM
go...well can both teams lose?

& can the Sixers just win? ;D
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Post by: 7even on January 18, 2009, 02:40:56 AM
Cavs are missing 3 starters, if the Lakers lose this they don't even have to bother to make it to the Finals
Title: Re: Monday- Cavs at Lakers...........
Post by: teecee on January 18, 2009, 12:51:35 PM
Should be a good game.  Cavs destroyed the Hornets without two starters, so they MAY have a chance.
Being that it is in L.A., the obvious choice is the Lakers obviously, but the Cavs are always good against the Lakers, so who knows what will happen.

Pumped for the game.........hope its a preview of the finals.

lol@ "obviously"

I think the Cavs are better then the Magic and they are better then my Spurs right now. The Lakers have lost to both the Spurs and Magic in this week. Kinda funny to say the "obvious" choice is the Lakers.  Its anyones game, but there is no "obvious" pick lol

Um, i say "obvious" because, as 7even noted, the Cavs are missing some starters, and the game is in L.A.  Home court is always so imnportant on the NBA as you know; I think the Cavs may be the best team in the league, but considering the circumstances I would say L.A. is the favourite.  Maybe not an "obvious" favourite granted, but still the favourite.  Of course, we all know the Cavs have been killing the Lakers the last few years so.......
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Post by: you gon always be my latin queen bitch on January 18, 2009, 12:53:52 PM
haha crazy game it will be
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Post by: wcsoldier on January 18, 2009, 01:08:26 PM
Cavs are playing great on both ends of the floor , I don't see how we are the obvious choice , I swear some need to start watching some full games and not just the highlights (Isn't it the 10th times I say that  :grumpy:) .... we don't play very good right now... Varejao will probably have 7 to 8 offensive rbs against lazy ass Bynum and I hope we will focus and double a lot Lebron , if not it is going to be a disaster .... I hope I will be wrong but I'm not very confident for this game comparing at which level both teams played their latest 4-5 games
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Post by: you gon always be my latin queen bitch on January 18, 2009, 01:11:40 PM
yeah im lakers all day but right now lebron is a fuckin beast (always is but right now off top)
Title: Re: Monday- Cavs at Lakers...........
Post by: teecee on January 18, 2009, 01:25:40 PM
Cavs are playing great on both ends of the floor , I don't see how we are the obvious choice , I swear some need to start watching some full games and not just the highlights (Isn't it the 10th times I say that  :grumpy:) .... we don't play very good right now... Varejao will probably have 7 to 8 offensive rbs against lazy ass Bynum and I hope we will focus and double a lot Lebron , if not it is going to be a disaster .... I hope I will be wrong but I'm not very confident for this game comparing at which level both teams played their latest 4-5 games

No one has watched more bball than me this year man.  I thought the Lakers actually played well against the Spurs for the most part, but the problem with them is they refuse to do the little things on defense.  The Cavs' on the other hand, have been the best defensive team in the league this year by far.  Having said that, without West they have nobody to defend at the 2guard spot. 

Forget how both teams have been playing (after all, the Lakers had no business beating the Celtics on CHristmas and did just that).  The bottom line is both are very good teams, and I don't really see the Lakers losing three games in a row (especially to a team without 2 starters).  Having said that, i hope Bynum continues to play like a bitch and Lebron has an all-world game and the Cavs take it
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Post by: you gon always be my latin queen bitch on January 18, 2009, 01:27:31 PM
haha
how come bynum gets alot of hate up in here?




Cavs are playing great on both ends of the floor , I don't see how we are the obvious choice , I swear some need to start watching some full games and not just the highlights (Isn't it the 10th times I say that  :grumpy:) .... we don't play very good right now... Varejao will probably have 7 to 8 offensive rbs against lazy ass Bynum and I hope we will focus and double a lot Lebron , if not it is going to be a disaster .... I hope I will be wrong but I'm not very confident for this game comparing at which level both teams played their latest 4-5 games

No one has watched more bball than me this year man.  I thought the Lakers actually played well against the Spurs for the most part, but the problem with them is they refuse to do the little things on defense.  The Cavs' on the other hand, have been the best defensive team in the league this year by far.  Having said that, without West they have nobody to defend at the 2guard spot. 

Forget how both teams have been playing (after all, the Lakers had no business beating the Celtics on CHristmas and did just that).  The bottom line is both are very good teams, and I don't really see the Lakers losing three games in a row (especially to a team without 2 starters).  Having said that, i hope Bynum continues to play like a bitch and Lebron has an all-world game and the Cavs take it
Title: Re: Monday- Cavs at Lakers...........
Post by: teecee on January 18, 2009, 01:33:10 PM
haha
how come bynum gets alot of hate up in here?




Cavs are playing great on both ends of the floor , I don't see how we are the obvious choice , I swear some need to start watching some full games and not just the highlights (Isn't it the 10th times I say that  :grumpy:) .... we don't play very good right now... Varejao will probably have 7 to 8 offensive rbs against lazy ass Bynum and I hope we will focus and double a lot Lebron , if not it is going to be a disaster .... I hope I will be wrong but I'm not very confident for this game comparing at which level both teams played their latest 4-5 games

No one has watched more bball than me this year man.  I thought the Lakers actually played well against the Spurs for the most part, but the problem with them is they refuse to do the little things on defense.  The Cavs' on the other hand, have been the best defensive team in the league this year by far.  Having said that, without West they have nobody to defend at the 2guard spot. 

Forget how both teams have been playing (after all, the Lakers had no business beating the Celtics on CHristmas and did just that).  The bottom line is both are very good teams, and I don't really see the Lakers losing three games in a row (especially to a team without 2 starters).  Having said that, i hope Bynum continues to play like a bitch and Lebron has an all-world game and the Cavs take it

Well, it could be because he plays half-assed a lot of the time.  It could also be because of how some people (ie. dubcc's biggest Bynum dickrider NIK) overhype him with statements like this:"  "Bynum will be better than Patrick Ewing"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by: OG Hack Wilson on January 18, 2009, 03:54:38 PM
bynum = bumknee
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Post by: GENERIK on January 18, 2009, 06:00:02 PM
should be an awesome game!
Title: Re: Monday- Cavs at Lakers...........
Post by: wcsoldier on January 18, 2009, 08:33:48 PM
haha
how come bynum gets alot of hate up in here?

it's not hate ; it's just being realistic .... as I Lakers fan I've been completely disgusted by the little level of energy  Bynum is currently bringing  on the floor ... if you don't care , you"re not gonna get praised by me ...
Title: Re: Monday- Cavs at Lakers...........
Post by: you gon always be my latin queen bitch on January 18, 2009, 08:39:21 PM
thats waz up thats why i was askin




haha
how come bynum gets alot of hate up in here?

it's not hate ; it's just being realistic .... as I Lakers fan I've been completely disgusted by the little level of energy  Bynum is currently bringing  on the floor ... if you don't care , you"re not gonna get praised by me ...
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Post by: OG Hack Wilson on January 18, 2009, 08:51:49 PM
haha
how come bynum gets alot of hate up in here?

it's not hate ; it's just being realistic .... as I Lakers fan I've been completely disgusted by the little level of energy  Bynum is currently bringing  on the floor ... if you don't care , you"re not gonna get praised by me ...


B...B...BUT HERS BETTER THAN PATRICK EWNG!@!!@@!
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Post by: you gon always be my latin queen bitch on January 18, 2009, 09:24:45 PM
well i hope kobe will bring us a win tomorrow
until then.....

FUCK THA INDUSTRY
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Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on January 18, 2009, 09:46:05 PM
Lakers gone smash.

10 points...no less. 8)
Title: Re: Monday- Cavs at Lakers...........
Post by: 'EclipZe on January 19, 2009, 05:18:17 AM
Lakers are gonna win I think... even though the cavs are the shit but they are missing 3 starters though, but even without them they can raise hell!
Title: Re: Monday- Cavs at Lakers...........
Post by: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on January 19, 2009, 12:12:48 PM
I think either team can win, but i do think the Lakers will take this one. Everyone is so VERY high on the Cavs and Lebron right now that I think the Lakers might have a bit of a chip on their shoulder. Theyve had two big tough losses as of late to the Spurs and to the Magic. Im sure they'll come to play in this game.
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Post by: teecee on January 19, 2009, 12:18:52 PM
I think either team can win, but i do think the Lakers will take this one. Everyone is so VERY high on the Cavs and Lebron right now that I think the Lakers might have a bit of a chip on their shoulder. Theyve had two big tough losses as of late to the Spurs and to the Magic. Im sure they'll come to play in this game.

I don't know, peeps ARE high on the Cavs, but they deserve all the acclaim they are getting.  WHo really thought they would be this good?   having said that, any team playing the Lakers minus a few starters SHOULD be an easy game for the Lakers, right?????? 

Check this out:
Stats from the past five Lakers-Cavs matchups, stolen from Sporting News Today…
PPG: Kobe 32.4, Bron 31.8
RPG: Kobe 7.2, Bron 7.8
APG: Kobe 5.4, Bron 4.8
FG%: Kobe 44.3, Bron 45.3
WIns: Lakers 0, Cavs 5

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Post by: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on January 19, 2009, 12:25:36 PM
I think either team can win, but i do think the Lakers will take this one. Everyone is so VERY high on the Cavs and Lebron right now that I think the Lakers might have a bit of a chip on their shoulder. Theyve had two big tough losses as of late to the Spurs and to the Magic. Im sure they'll come to play in this game.

I don't know, peeps ARE high on the Cavs, but they deserve all the acclaim they are getting.  WHo really thought they would be this good?   having said that, any team playing the Lakers minus a few starters SHOULD be an easy game for the Lakers, right?????? 

Check this out:
Stats from the past five Lakers-Cavs matchups, stolen from Sporting News Today…
PPG: Kobe 32.4, Bron 31.8
RPG: Kobe 7.2, Bron 7.8
APG: Kobe 5.4, Bron 4.8
FG%: Kobe 44.3, Bron 45.3
WIns: Lakers 0, Cavs 5



i never said they dont deserve it. they definetely deserve it.  Im a Spurs fan, so in reality....fuck both the lakers and the Cavs lol I just think when you have a good team like the Lakers, and you have another good team like the Cavs coming into your building with all the hype surrounding them at the moment. you feel u have a point to prove. Plus, some of the pressure gets taken off of you.  Not to mention the injuries.  Again, either team can come away with the W, but I think the Lakers will take it. 3 losses to the Spurs, Magic, and Cavs in this short a period of time will have the people really talkin.
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Post by: teecee on January 19, 2009, 12:30:55 PM
I think either team can win, but i do think the Lakers will take this one. Everyone is so VERY high on the Cavs and Lebron right now that I think the Lakers might have a bit of a chip on their shoulder. Theyve had two big tough losses as of late to the Spurs and to the Magic. Im sure they'll come to play in this game.

I don't know, peeps ARE high on the Cavs, but they deserve all the acclaim they are getting.  WHo really thought they would be this good?   having said that, any team playing the Lakers minus a few starters SHOULD be an easy game for the Lakers, right?????? 

Check this out:
Stats from the past five Lakers-Cavs matchups, stolen from Sporting News Today…
PPG: Kobe 32.4, Bron 31.8
RPG: Kobe 7.2, Bron 7.8
APG: Kobe 5.4, Bron 4.8
FG%: Kobe 44.3, Bron 45.3
WIns: Lakers 0, Cavs 5



i never said they dont deserve it. they definetely deserve it.  Im a Spurs fan, so in reality....fuck both the lakers and the Cavs lol I just think when you have a good team like the Lakers, and you have another good team like the Cavs coming into your building with all the hype surrounding them at the moment. you feel u have a point to prove. Plus, some of the pressure gets taken off of you.  Not to mention the injuries.  Again, either team can come away with the W, but I think the Lakers will take it. 3 losses to the Spurs, Magic, and Cavs in this short a period of time will have the people really talkin.

All good man, I agree that this is almost a must-win for the Lakers.  If they have the fire they should have, then there is now way they don't come out with their best game of the year (like they did on Christmas).  If I was betting, I would take the Lakers, but I'm cheering hard for the Cavs
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Post by: Chamillitary Click on January 19, 2009, 03:05:03 PM
I think either team can win, but i do think the Lakers will take this one. Everyone is so VERY high on the Cavs and Lebron right now that I think the Lakers might have a bit of a chip on their shoulder. Theyve had two big tough losses as of late to the Spurs and to the Magic. Im sure they'll come to play in this game.

I don't know, peeps ARE high on the Cavs, but they deserve all the acclaim they are getting.  WHo really thought they would be this good?   having said that, any team playing the Lakers minus a few starters SHOULD be an easy game for the Lakers, right?????? 

Check this out:
Stats from the past five Lakers-Cavs matchups, stolen from Sporting News Today…
PPG: Kobe 32.4, Bron 31.8
RPG: Kobe 7.2, Bron 7.8
APG: Kobe 5.4, Bron 4.8
FG%: Kobe 44.3, Bron 45.3
WIns: Lakers 0, Cavs 5

the only stat that matters. 8)
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Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on January 19, 2009, 05:53:35 PM
going 2 the game 8)
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Post by: Teddy Roosevelt on January 19, 2009, 05:56:31 PM
going 2 the game 8)
Game time is in an hour and a half. Don't you want to start heading out and combat the traffic?
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Post by: OchoCinco on January 19, 2009, 06:22:03 PM
going 2 the game 8)

sick
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Post by: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on January 19, 2009, 06:24:38 PM
going 2 the game 8)

thats cool man...should be a crazy game.  They been sayin theres more hype over this game then the Boston game.
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Post by: you gon always be my latin queen bitch on January 19, 2009, 07:15:24 PM
awwww shit
damn james and kobe two of my favorite
but nah fuck it
lakers all the way
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Post by: OchoCinco on January 19, 2009, 08:34:39 PM
lol at how much time is spent talking about lebron and not the game. well deserved but u think they could say his name anymore times they they aleady have. 80% of commentary this half has been lebron.
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Post by: you gon always be my latin queen bitch on January 19, 2009, 08:37:56 PM
haha lebron =god of this nba shit





lol at how much time is spent talking about lebron and not the game. well deserved but u think they could say his name anymore times they they aleady have. 80% of commentary this half has been lebron.
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Post by: Teddy Roosevelt on January 19, 2009, 10:30:20 PM
Great game. 8)

Superstar stats:
James - 42:10 minutes, 9-25 FG, 23 points, 9 rebounds, 4 assists, 4 steals, 6 turnovers, 1 block 
Bryant - 40:44 minutes, 9-22 FG, 20 points, 6 rebounds, 12 assists, 1 steal, 5 turnovers, 1 block
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Post by: OchoCinco on January 19, 2009, 10:35:44 PM
ya damn good game. was close for most of it, got a little nervous when they got it down back down to 7. i thot kobe played real good and so did bynum. Gasol had a huge impact and ariza played good D and made some clutch 3s in the last minutes. Lakers played solid d and i think thats what got them the win.
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Post by: thisoneguy360 on January 19, 2009, 10:48:00 PM
Good game, hopefully Kobe's finger is ok.
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Post by: you gon always be my latin queen bitch on January 19, 2009, 11:00:57 PM
haha but he still played
i hope we dont lose him



Good game, hopefully Kobe's finger is ok.
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Post by: Stone Cold is Bout It, Bout It on January 19, 2009, 11:10:17 PM
Good game, hopefully Kobe's finger is ok.

he'll be fine, he's not going to miss 6 games like pussy ass lebron...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3150876
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Post by: HD on January 20, 2009, 08:03:34 AM
thanks lakers, orlando is #1 now 8)
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Post by: Antonio on January 20, 2009, 08:49:42 AM
Good game.
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Post by: teecee on January 20, 2009, 09:05:46 AM
Just as I thought, the Cavs would have no chance in this one.  As I said before, no team in the league can win against the Lakers without three starters.  The Cavs had no size down low, and could not handle Bynum or Gasol at all.

One thing I will say is this:  the Lakers are BY FAR the most talented team in the league.  If they do not win the title, its only because of a lack of leadership and defensive intensity.   It is their's to lose, they have the POTENTIAL (NIK's favourite word) to be the best.   Question is, are they tough enough to do it for four rounds. 

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Post by: wcsoldier on January 20, 2009, 10:37:30 AM
Cavs missed 2 starters and not 3 , then y'all have to stop acting like Cavs roster = Lebron+ D-League players ... Lakers have their injury aswell ... truth is when this team is focused on both end of the floor , it's without the doubt the best team in this league ... lol at "lack of leadership" ...
Title: Re: Monday- Cavs at Lakers...........
Post by: teecee on January 20, 2009, 10:47:15 AM
Cavs missed 2 starters and not 3 , then y'all have to stop acting like Cavs roster = Lebron+ D-League players ... Lakers have their injury aswell ... truth is when this team is focused on both end of the floor , it's without the doubt the best team in this league ... lol at "lack of leadership" ...

Where was that leaderhsip and toughness last year in the finals man?  Kobe can be a great leader, but his teams have had some very questionable games with him as leader (game 6 vs. Celtics, game 7 vs Suns).   And when I say leadership, I mean a guy who can get this team playing at the top of their game every game.  IF they play hard all the time, they cannot lose as they have the best player, coach, and supporting cast.  It shouldn't even be in doubt, but it is.

And yes, the Lakers have  a few injuries, but no starters out.  GIve the Cavs a full linu-up, take out any two starters on the Lakers not named Kobe, and what happens with this game?

Fact:

The Cavs are the least talented of the top teams in the league, but usually play great defense and a team game, and have a much-improved LBJ. 
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Post by: wcsoldier on January 20, 2009, 11:11:16 AM
^^^^ Kobe had some letdowns I agree but these couple of games are not enough to call a lack of leadership ... so the Lakers have the best player , the best supporting cast until this point I agree with you but the best coach ? LOL ... Phil used to be great but he's not the best anymore and it's not even up to discuss imo .... at least half of our losses are due to bad coach decisions , lack of adjustments ... replacing Vlad by Walton in the starting 5 was probably the worst decision of his carreer ... then a good role player like Powell who hustles on the boards and D the pick n roll better than any of our bigs had to wait Lamar injury to see some minutes , he played very well as a role player then now that Lamar is back , he ain't seeing the floor anymore again whereas Lazy Bynum can't grab a rebound to save his life ....
Title: Re: Monday- Cavs at Lakers...........
Post by: teecee on January 20, 2009, 11:23:37 AM
^^^^ Kobe had some letdowns I agree but these couple of games are not enough to call a lack of leadership ... so the Lakers have the best player , the best supporting cast until this point I agree with you but the best coach ? LOL ... Phil used to be great but he's not the best anymore and it's not even up to discuss imo .... at least half of our losses are due to bad coach decisions , lack of adjustments ... replacing Vlad by Walton in the starting 5 was probably the worst decision of his carreer ... then a good role player like Powell who hustles on the boards and D the pick n roll better than any of our bigs had to wait Lamar injury to see some minutes , he played very well as a role player then now that Lamar is back , he ain't seeing the floor anymore again whereas Lazy Bynum can't grab a rebound to save his life ....

Phil has definitely slipped, but his track record speaks for itself.  Still, when the Lakers struggle, the obvious adjustments aren't always made, so I give you that.  Bynum playerd well last night though, at least better than he has been.  And of course Kobe is a great leader, but he can also be very selfish, no?  And other than him and D-Fish, who else is mentally tough?
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Post by: Antonio on January 20, 2009, 11:44:29 AM
I really don't know what the fuck is up with Phil Jackson. It's so obvious Gasol and Bynum can't play in the same starting five. Gasol is a much better post player than Bynum, and Bynum doesn't fit well next to him cause he wants the ball in his hands too (instead than focusing on defense and rebounds). Phil should bench Bynum and play Ariza as the SF, Odom as the PF and Gasol as the C. With Bynum and Powell ready to make an impact off the bench (they fit together pretty well, imho).

SF Ariza/Radmanovic/Walton
PF Odom/Powell
C Gasol/Bynum/Mihm
Title: Re: Monday- Cavs at Lakers...........
Post by: wcsoldier on January 20, 2009, 11:45:38 AM
^^^^ Kobe had some letdowns I agree but these couple of games are not enough to call a lack of leadership ... so the Lakers have the best player , the best supporting cast until this point I agree with you but the best coach ? LOL ... Phil used to be great but he's not the best anymore and it's not even up to discuss imo .... at least half of our losses are due to bad coach decisions , lack of adjustments ... replacing Vlad by Walton in the starting 5 was probably the worst decision of his carreer ... then a good role player like Powell who hustles on the boards and D the pick n roll better than any of our bigs had to wait Lamar injury to see some minutes , he played very well as a role player then now that Lamar is back , he ain't seeing the floor anymore again whereas Lazy Bynum can't grab a rebound to save his life ....

Phil has definitely slipped, but his track record speaks for itself.  Still, when the Lakers struggle, the obvious adjustments aren't always made, so I give you that.  Bynum playerd well last night though, at least better than he has been.  And of course Kobe is a great leader, but he can also be very selfish, no?  And other than him and D-Fish, who else is mentally tough?

Kobe was very selfish at times with no reason to be in his early days I gave you that ... then until last season , he did not have the choice , he had to be selfish from the 04-05 to the 06-07 season included...

Nowadays , I'd say that he can be too unselfish (as the last example in the SAS game , I'd have let it fly instead  of passing to Trevor , same with with Sasha in the game in Orlando ... but still if he would have taken and missed those , people called him a ballhog)

On the mentally toughness , I think lots have overanalyzed the loss against the Cs last year ... of course they ain't tough as Charles Oakley or Bill Lambeer but still you can't play at that level with being that weak mentally ... a lot never went to the Finals , let alone a 2nd playoffs round ... I think they will be tough enough when really needed this season (see Christmas game or yersterday one .. )
Title: Re: Monday- Cavs at Lakers...........
Post by: wcsoldier on January 20, 2009, 11:54:02 AM
I really don't know what the fuck is up with Phil Jackson. It's so obvious Gasol and Bynum can't play in the same starting five. Gasol is a much better post player than Bynum, and Bynum doesn't fit well next to him cause he wants the ball in his hands too (instead than focusing on defense and rebounds). Phil should bench Bynum and play Ariza as the SF, Odom as the PF and Gasol as the C. With Bynum and Powell ready to make an impact off the bench (they fit together pretty well, imho).

SF Ariza/Radmanovic/Walton
PF Odom/Powell
C Gasol/Bynum/Mihm

I agree on the Bynum/Gasol thing ... we should go back to last year lineup then Bynum and Powell can be a great defensive duo off the bench (showed great potential in that GS game , only one game though ...) 

I strongly disagree with starting Ariza though ... we still need his energy off the bench AND Vlad flat out sucks when he's not starting ... Starting both Ariza and Odom is not good for the spacing on offense ..

Title: Re: Monday- Cavs at Lakers...........
Post by: westsiderider323 on January 20, 2009, 11:57:02 AM
beautiful win to make up those 2 ugly losses  8)
Title: Re: Monday- Cavs at Lakers...........
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on January 20, 2009, 02:43:48 PM
Just as I thought, the Cavs would have no chance in this one.  As I said before, no team in the league can win against the Lakers without three starters.  The Cavs had no size down low, and could not handle Bynum or Gasol at all.

One thing I will say is this:  the Lakers are BY FAR the most talented team in the league.  If they do not win the title, its only because of a lack of leadership and defensive intensity.   It is their's to lose, they have the POTENTIAL (NIK's favourite word) to be the best.   Question is, are they tough enough to do it for four rounds. 




stfu, genius..."potential"? Lakers ARE the best team in the league... by far. and when the Lakers have the best leader in the game, you sound a little dumb saying they'd lose "only because of a lack of leadership". LOL.
Title: Re: Monday- Cavs at Lakers...........
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on January 20, 2009, 02:47:31 PM
Cavs missed 2 starters and not 3 , then y'all have to stop acting like Cavs roster = Lebron+ D-League players ... Lakers have their injury aswell ... truth is when this team is focused on both end of the floor , it's without the doubt the best team in this league ... lol at "lack of leadership" ...

Where was that leaderhsip and toughness last year in the finals man?  Kobe can be a great leader, but his teams have had some very questionable games with him as leader (game 6 vs. Celtics, game 7 vs Suns).   And when I say leadership, I mean a guy who can get this team playing at the top of their game every game.  IF they play hard all the time, they cannot lose as they have the best player, coach, and supporting cast.  It shouldn't even be in doubt, but it is.

And yes, the Lakers have  a few injuries, but no starters out.  GIve the Cavs a full linu-up, take out any two starters on the Lakers not named Kobe, and what happens with this game?

Fact:

The Cavs are the least talented of the top teams in the league, but usually play great defense and a team game, and have a much-improved LBJ. 


LMAO...so when the supporting cast doesn't step up, it's all because of Kobe...ahahahahaha. I guess Phil Jackson is also a terrible coach, right?


STFU!



and yea...2 starter pretty much were out for the Lakers. Well, Farmar isn't a starter, but he plays starter minutes, so please, stop the obvious hating...it sucks that you lost money on the Lakers last year, but it doesn't call for all the bs you've been spewing.
Title: Re: Monday- Cavs at Lakers...........
Post by: teecee on January 20, 2009, 02:51:18 PM
Just as I thought, the Cavs would have no chance in this one.  As I said before, no team in the league can win against the Lakers without three starters.  The Cavs had no size down low, and could not handle Bynum or Gasol at all.

One thing I will say is this:  the Lakers are BY FAR the most talented team in the league.  If they do not win the title, its only because of a lack of leadership and defensive intensity.   It is their's to lose, they have the POTENTIAL (NIK's favourite word) to be the best.   Question is, are they tough enough to do it for four rounds. 




stfu, genius..."potential"? Lakers ARE the best team in the league... by far. and when the Lakers have the best leader in the game, you sound a little dumb saying they'd lose "only because of a lack of leadership". LOL.

First of all, don't ever tell me to shut the fuck up.  Secondly, the Lakers DO have the most talent in the league, which I already pointed out.  Third, its a little premature to say Kobe is the best leader in the game before he has lead his team to anything other than losing a finals where they bllew the biggest lead in finals history, to getting completely destroyed in the deciding game.  

At this point in the season, how are the Lakers by far the best?  Who that matters, besides a depleted Cavs squad, have the Lakers beat lately?  They are inconsistent on the defensive end, and lack toughness.  Gasol is the man right now, but we will see how that plays out.  Bynum?  Cares more about himself then the team at this point.  Obviously the Magic are the best team right now, although I can't see it lasting.

The only person that wouild say the Lakers are the best team "by far" is you NIK.  On the real, the top 5 teams are damn close and any of them can beat each other when playing hot.
Title: Re: Monday- Cavs at Lakers...........
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on January 20, 2009, 02:53:06 PM
I really don't know what the fuck is up with Phil Jackson. It's so obvious Gasol and Bynum can't play in the same starting five. Gasol is a much better post player than Bynum, and Bynum doesn't fit well next to him cause he wants the ball in his hands too (instead than focusing on defense and rebounds). Phil should bench Bynum and play Ariza as the SF, Odom as the PF and Gasol as the C. With Bynum and Powell ready to make an impact off the bench (they fit together pretty well, imho).

SF Ariza/Radmanovic/Walton
PF Odom/Powell
C Gasol/Bynum/Mihm


I dunno, man...I like the line-up with Gasol and Bynum on the floor. Bynum is too good to come off the bench. When he catches the ball deep in the post, it's an automatic basket or a foul. You don't wanna discourage a young player like that by benching them. Gasol also isn't strong enough to defend against some starting 5s out there. it was exposed last year in the Finals...some of you are doubting Phil and his decisions, but HE IS still the best coach in the league. regardless of what you may think, he looks at the game from a psychological perspective and this is the way to go...even the move to put Luke in the starting 5 wasn't bad, cuz it got Luke playing much better ball. I think ya'll need to stop questioning Phil so much. we're the best team in the league! he ain't no Doc Rivers...PeACe
Title: Re: Monday- Cavs at Lakers...........
Post by: teecee on January 20, 2009, 02:53:34 PM
Cavs missed 2 starters and not 3 , then y'all have to stop acting like Cavs roster = Lebron+ D-League players ... Lakers have their injury aswell ... truth is when this team is focused on both end of the floor , it's without the doubt the best team in this league ... lol at "lack of leadership" ...

Where was that leaderhsip and toughness last year in the finals man?  Kobe can be a great leader, but his teams have had some very questionable games with him as leader (game 6 vs. Celtics, game 7 vs Suns).   And when I say leadership, I mean a guy who can get this team playing at the top of their game every game.  IF they play hard all the time, they cannot lose as they have the best player, coach, and supporting cast.  It shouldn't even be in doubt, but it is.

And yes, the Lakers have  a few injuries, but no starters out.  GIve the Cavs a full linu-up, take out any two starters on the Lakers not named Kobe, and what happens with this game?

Fact:

The Cavs are the least talented of the top teams in the league, but usually play great defense and a team game, and have a much-improved LBJ. 


LMAO...so when the supporting cast doesn't step up, it's all because of Kobe...ahahahahaha. I guess Phil Jackson is also a terrible coach, right?


STFU!



and yea...2 starter pretty much were out for the Lakers. Well, Farmar isn't a starter, but he plays starter minutes, so please, stop the obvious hating...it sucks that you lost money on the Lakers last year, but it doesn't call for all the bs you've been spewing.

HOw does Farmar equal two starters?  ANd what BS am I spewing?  I said the LAkers are the most talented team, they are the favourite to win the title.  What do you disagree with?  If its the Kobe leader thing, I guess I would like to see him with a finals MVP or two before I could call him the best leader in the game.  Is that so insane?
Title: Re: Monday- Cavs at Lakers...........
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on January 20, 2009, 02:57:43 PM
Just as I thought, the Cavs would have no chance in this one.  As I said before, no team in the league can win against the Lakers without three starters.  The Cavs had no size down low, and could not handle Bynum or Gasol at all.

One thing I will say is this:  the Lakers are BY FAR the most talented team in the league.  If they do not win the title, its only because of a lack of leadership and defensive intensity.   It is their's to lose, they have the POTENTIAL (NIK's favourite word) to be the best.   Question is, are they tough enough to do it for four rounds. 




stfu, genius..."potential"? Lakers ARE the best team in the league... by far. and when the Lakers have the best leader in the game, you sound a little dumb saying they'd lose "only because of a lack of leadership". LOL.

First of all, don't ever tell me to shut the fuck up.  Secondly, the Lakers DO have the most talent in the league, which I already pointed out.  Third, its a little premature to say Kobe is the best leader in the game before he has lead his team to anything other than losing a finals where they bllew the biggest lead in finals history, to getting completely destroyed in the deciding game.  

At this point in the season, how are the Lakers by far the best?  Who that matters, besides a depleted Cavs squad, have the Lakers beat lately?  They are inconsistent on the defensive end, and lack toughness.  Gasol is the man right now, but we will see how that plays out.  Bynum?  Cares more about himself then the team at this point.  Obviously the Magic are the best team right now, although I can't see it lasting.

The only person that wouild say the Lakers are the best team "by far" is you NIK.  On the real, the top 5 teams are damn close and any of them can beat each other when playing hot.


first of all, stfu...


second of all. anyone who watched the Lakers closely through these past few years knows that the only reason Lakers were a playoff team and the only reason they made the finals last season was due to Kobe's leadership... How is it premature to call him the best leader in the league? LOLLL. Who is it then? LeBron? :-X Kobe led the Olympic team back to Gold, he is BY FARRR the best leader in the game as of now... and since when does Bynum care more about himself than the team? Did he personally tell you this? LMAO@the haterism.


Lakers are the best team... there is no question. when we boost our play to peak levels, we're unfuckintouchable.
Title: Re: Monday- Cavs at Lakers...........
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on January 20, 2009, 02:58:37 PM
Cavs missed 2 starters and not 3 , then y'all have to stop acting like Cavs roster = Lebron+ D-League players ... Lakers have their injury aswell ... truth is when this team is focused on both end of the floor , it's without the doubt the best team in this league ... lol at "lack of leadership" ...

Where was that leaderhsip and toughness last year in the finals man?  Kobe can be a great leader, but his teams have had some very questionable games with him as leader (game 6 vs. Celtics, game 7 vs Suns).   And when I say leadership, I mean a guy who can get this team playing at the top of their game every game.  IF they play hard all the time, they cannot lose as they have the best player, coach, and supporting cast.  It shouldn't even be in doubt, but it is.

And yes, the Lakers have  a few injuries, but no starters out.  GIve the Cavs a full linu-up, take out any two starters on the Lakers not named Kobe, and what happens with this game?

Fact:

The Cavs are the least talented of the top teams in the league, but usually play great defense and a team game, and have a much-improved LBJ. 


LMAO...so when the supporting cast doesn't step up, it's all because of Kobe...ahahahahaha. I guess Phil Jackson is also a terrible coach, right?


STFU!



and yea...2 starter pretty much were out for the Lakers. Well, Farmar isn't a starter, but he plays starter minutes, so please, stop the obvious hating...it sucks that you lost money on the Lakers last year, but it doesn't call for all the bs you've been spewing.

HOw does Farmar equal two starters?  ANd what BS am I spewing?  I said the LAkers are the most talented team, they are the favourite to win the title.  What do you disagree with?  If its the Kobe leader thing, I guess I would like to see him with a finals MVP or two before I could call him the best leader in the game.  Is that so insane?


Luke Walton, our starting small forward, was out as well... ::)
Title: Re: Monday- Cavs at Lakers...........
Post by: GangstaBoogy on January 20, 2009, 03:02:04 PM
Bynum is too good to come off the bench.

Yeah those 4 rebounds a game he's averaged in the last 6 games really co-signs that.
Title: Re: Monday- Cavs at Lakers...........
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on January 20, 2009, 03:02:51 PM
going 2 the game 8)
Game time is in an hour and a half. Don't you want to start heading out and combat the traffic?


I was at USC...5 mins away from Staples.


I didn't end up going, though...we got to Staples and the dude who was supposed to hook us up with the tix only had tix for a stand-up section. when I asked him why he didn't tell me that over the phone he said "the arena is jam-packed!" LMAO.
Title: Re: Monday- Cavs at Lakers...........
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on January 20, 2009, 03:04:14 PM
Bynum is too good to come off the bench.

Yeah those 4 rebounds a game he's averaged in the last 6 games really co-signs that.


obviously, you haven't been watching him offensively. in fact, I bet your girl still has you on punishment from watching Laker games. Gasol and Odom have been grabbing all the boards. we have a huge team.
Title: Re: Monday- Cavs at Lakers...........
Post by: teecee on January 20, 2009, 03:10:41 PM
Just as I thought, the Cavs would have no chance in this one.  As I said before, no team in the league can win against the Lakers without three starters.  The Cavs had no size down low, and could not handle Bynum or Gasol at all.

One thing I will say is this:  the Lakers are BY FAR the most talented team in the league.  If they do not win the title, its only because of a lack of leadership and defensive intensity.   It is their's to lose, they have the POTENTIAL (NIK's favourite word) to be the best.   Question is, are they tough enough to do it for four rounds. 




stfu, genius..."potential"? Lakers ARE the best team in the league... by far. and when the Lakers have the best leader in the game, you sound a little dumb saying they'd lose "only because of a lack of leadership". LOL.

First of all, don't ever tell me to shut the fuck up.  Secondly, the Lakers DO have the most talent in the league, which I already pointed out.  Third, its a little premature to say Kobe is the best leader in the game before he has lead his team to anything other than losing a finals where they bllew the biggest lead in finals history, to getting completely destroyed in the deciding game.  

At this point in the season, how are the Lakers by far the best?  Who that matters, besides a depleted Cavs squad, have the Lakers beat lately?  They are inconsistent on the defensive end, and lack toughness.  Gasol is the man right now, but we will see how that plays out.  Bynum?  Cares more about himself then the team at this point.  Obviously the Magic are the best team right now, although I can't see it lasting.

The only person that wouild say the Lakers are the best team "by far" is you NIK.  On the real, the top 5 teams are damn close and any of them can beat each other when playing hot.


first of all, stfu...


second of all. anyone who watched the Lakers closely through these past few years knows that the only reason Lakers were a playoff team and the only reason they made the finals last season was due to Kobe's leadership... How is it premature to call him the best leader in the league? LOLLL. Who is it then? LeBron? :-X Kobe led the Olympic team back to Gold, he is BY FARRR the best leader in the game as of now... and since when does Bynum care more about himself than the team? Did he personally tell you this? LMAO@the haterism.


Lakers are the best team... there is no question. when we boost our play to peak levels, we're unfuckintouchable.

You are truly the most ignorant, simple minded being I have ever encountered through any means, be it in real-life circumstances or the internet.   Good stuff
Title: Re: Monday- Cavs at Lakers...........
Post by: teecee on January 20, 2009, 03:15:25 PM
Bynum is too good to come off the bench.

Yeah those 4 rebounds a game he's averaged in the last 6 games really co-signs that.


obviously, you haven't been watching him offensively. in fact, I bet your girl still has you on punishment from watching Laker games. Gasol and Odom have been grabbing all the boards. we have a huge team.

Being that you are the Lakers go to guy, the expert if you will, then I am sure you would've defended Bynum's lack of rebouding by pointing out that half the time he is helping out defensively on the opposing teams perimeter players who seemingly penetrate at will, thus making him out of position for the boards a lot of the time. Wasn't the case last night, as the Lakers did a good job of keeping the Cavs out of the paint. 

NIK, I am not sure why you, as a moderator, feels you have to tell me to stfu so many times when I am merely stating an opinion.  Was it not you who said that if you "feel" something or "think" something, it is therefore credible.  You, of all people, should have no problem with posters freely discussing subjects, even if their views are not of your own, considering how your own views are rarely shared by others.
Title: Re: Monday- Cavs at Lakers...........
Post by: Chamillitary Click on January 20, 2009, 03:26:35 PM
going 2 the game 8)
Game time is in an hour and a half. Don't you want to start heading out and combat the traffic?


I was at USC...5 mins away from Staples.


I didn't end up going, though...we got to Staples and the dude who was supposed to hook us up with the tix only had tix for a stand-up section. when I asked him why he didn't tell me that over the phone he said "the arena is jam-packed!" LMAO.

ohh wow, thats pretty gay. :-\
Title: Re: Monday- Cavs at Lakers...........
Post by: GangstaBoogy on January 20, 2009, 03:29:43 PM
Bynum is too good to come off the bench.

Yeah those 4 rebounds a game he's averaged in the last 6 games really co-signs that.


obviously, you haven't been watching him offensively. in fact, I bet your girl still has you on punishment from watching Laker games. Gasol and Odom have been grabbing all the boards. we have a huge team.

So our 6'10 bench forward grabbing more rebounds than our 7'1 starting center makes sense to you? Oh okay.

LOL @ you using me getting pussy as a diss. Get some then speak faggot. This nigga probably has a bottle of KY jelly with Josh Powell's face on the back.
Title: Re: Monday- Cavs at Lakers...........
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on January 20, 2009, 05:26:00 PM
Bynum is too good to come off the bench.

Yeah those 4 rebounds a game he's averaged in the last 6 games really co-signs that.


obviously, you haven't been watching him offensively. in fact, I bet your girl still has you on punishment from watching Laker games. Gasol and Odom have been grabbing all the boards. we have a huge team.

Being that you are the Lakers go to guy, the expert if you will, then I am sure you would've defended Bynum's lack of rebouding by pointing out that half the time he is helping out defensively on the opposing teams perimeter players who seemingly penetrate at will, thus making him out of position for the boards a lot of the time. Wasn't the case last night, as the Lakers did a good job of keeping the Cavs out of the paint. 

NIK, I am not sure why you, as a moderator, feels you have to tell me to stfu so many times when I am merely stating an opinion.  Was it not you who said that if you "feel" something or "think" something, it is therefore credible.  You, of all people, should have no problem with posters freely discussing subjects, even if their views are not of your own, considering how your own views are rarely shared by others.


Quit getting sensitive on me...you made idiotic remarks, so i told you to stfu. stick to the topic, like I'm doing. Kobe=Greatest player and best leader in the game. Lakers=played just as underhanded as the Cavs, if not more. Bynum=Excellent center. try to refute that instead of getting butthurt.


Title: Re: Monday- Cavs at Lakers...........
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on January 20, 2009, 05:31:36 PM
Bynum is too good to come off the bench.

Yeah those 4 rebounds a game he's averaged in the last 6 games really co-signs that.


obviously, you haven't been watching him offensively. in fact, I bet your girl still has you on punishment from watching Laker games. Gasol and Odom have been grabbing all the boards. we have a huge team.

So our 6'10 bench forward grabbing more rebounds than our 7'1 starting center makes sense to you? Oh okay.

LOL @ you using me getting pussy as a diss. Get some then speak faggot. This nigga probably has a bottle of KY jelly with Josh Powell's face on the back.


First of all, quit acting like Odom ain't one of the better rebounders in the league and wasn't our leading rebounder before the Gasol trade, ya bitch.


Second off, any fag in this world can get pussy if they let the bitch own them, such as yourself, you pussy whipped ass bitch. getting pussy-whipped is not the same as just getting pussy. LMAO@you thinking you're doing something. and stfu with your lame-ass Laker jokes. your bitchass is more anti-Lakers than the Laker haters on here, fruitcake.
Title: Re: Monday- Cavs at Lakers...........
Post by: Antonio on January 20, 2009, 11:45:13 PM
I really don't know what the fuck is up with Phil Jackson. It's so obvious Gasol and Bynum can't play in the same starting five. Gasol is a much better post player than Bynum, and Bynum doesn't fit well next to him cause he wants the ball in his hands too (instead than focusing on defense and rebounds). Phil should bench Bynum and play Ariza as the SF, Odom as the PF and Gasol as the C. With Bynum and Powell ready to make an impact off the bench (they fit together pretty well, imho).

SF Ariza/Radmanovic/Walton
PF Odom/Powell
C Gasol/Bynum/Mihm

I agree on the Bynum/Gasol thing ... we should go back to last year lineup then Bynum and Powell can be a great defensive duo off the bench (showed great potential in that GS game , only one game though ...) 

I strongly disagree with starting Ariza though ... we still need his energy off the bench AND Vlad flat out sucks when he's not starting ... Starting both Ariza and Odom is not good for the spacing on offense ..

Ok. That's not our problem, tho. Radmanovic in, Ariza off the bench. The problem is the duo Gasol-Bynum.
Title: Re: Monday- Cavs at Lakers...........
Post by: Antonio on January 20, 2009, 11:53:46 PM
I really don't know what the fuck is up with Phil Jackson. It's so obvious Gasol and Bynum can't play in the same starting five. Gasol is a much better post player than Bynum, and Bynum doesn't fit well next to him cause he wants the ball in his hands too (instead than focusing on defense and rebounds). Phil should bench Bynum and play Ariza as the SF, Odom as the PF and Gasol as the C. With Bynum and Powell ready to make an impact off the bench (they fit together pretty well, imho).

SF Ariza/Radmanovic/Walton
PF Odom/Powell
C Gasol/Bynum/Mihm

I dunno, man...I like the line-up with Gasol and Bynum on the floor. Bynum is too good to come off the bench.

It's not a punitive thing, man. It's more a chemistry thing. Imho Gasol is the type of guy who should get all the balls on the post, cause he's just perfect for the triangle. He can finish with a jumper, he can go inside strong, he can pass the ball. The whole offense should run around him and Kobe. So what we really need when Pau is on the floor is a player who can grab rebounds, who can move his ass to receive the ball on the weak side, and who can defend on the defensive end. The best player we have who can do that is Lamar Odom. In fact Odom and Gasol looks great, as a combo, when they are both on the floor. And Bynum should start to get more involved offensively, receiving all the balls in the post too. He ain't as good as Gasol (cause his jumper ain't as nice as Gasol's one, and cause he ain't a good assist-man as Pau), but he can def do some damage going strong inside, cause he has a couple of good post moves already. And what Bynum needs is also a defensive-minded PF who grabs rebounds, who hustles and who can take a couple of jumpers here and there. And Powell is the perfect man. Again: i'm talking about chemistry.

Then we could still use Gasol and Bynum in some situations... why not. But they still ain't playing as good as they could together, mainly because Bynum ain't playing the role of the "role player" properly.

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When he catches the ball deep in the post, it's an automatic basket or a foul. You don't wanna discourage a young player like that by benching them. Gasol also isn't strong enough to defend against some starting 5s out there. it was exposed last year in the Finals...some of you are doubting Phil and his decisions, but HE IS still the best coach in the league. regardless of what you may think, he looks at the game from a psychological perspective and this is the way to go...even the move to put Luke in the starting 5 wasn't bad, cuz it got Luke playing much better ball. I think ya'll need to stop questioning Phil so much. we're the best team in the league! he ain't no Doc Rivers...PeACe

Man our defense looks really horrible sometimes. Who is the one to blame if not the coach? We ain't saying "Fire Phil!" 'tho. He should just start to care more about this aspect of the game.
Title: Re: Monday- Cavs at Lakers...........
Post by: teecee on January 21, 2009, 07:41:37 AM
Bynum is too good to come off the bench.

Yeah those 4 rebounds a game he's averaged in the last 6 games really co-signs that.


obviously, you haven't been watching him offensively. in fact, I bet your girl still has you on punishment from watching Laker games. Gasol and Odom have been grabbing all the boards. we have a huge team.

Being that you are the Lakers go to guy, the expert if you will, then I am sure you would've defended Bynum's lack of rebouding by pointing out that half the time he is helping out defensively on the opposing teams perimeter players who seemingly penetrate at will, thus making him out of position for the boards a lot of the time. Wasn't the case last night, as the Lakers did a good job of keeping the Cavs out of the paint. 

NIK, I am not sure why you, as a moderator, feels you have to tell me to stfu so many times when I am merely stating an opinion.  Was it not you who said that if you "feel" something or "think" something, it is therefore credible.  You, of all people, should have no problem with posters freely discussing subjects, even if their views are not of your own, considering how your own views are rarely shared by others.


Quit getting sensitive on me...you made idiotic remarks, so i told you to stfu. stick to the topic, like I'm doing. Kobe=Greatest player and best leader in the game. Lakers=played just as underhanded as the Cavs, if not more. Bynum=Excellent center. try to refute that instead of getting butthurt.




Again, you are the ONLY person who thinks Bynum, at this point in his career, is an "excellent" center.  Second, Kobe is not the greatest leader in the game until he leads his team to at least one championship.  Third, the Lakers were not missing their main post player and best perimeter defender, so it ain't even close.

Stay on topic. 
Title: Re: Monday- Cavs at Lakers...........
Post by: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on January 21, 2009, 10:08:17 AM
Just as I thought, the Cavs would have no chance in this one.  As I said before, no team in the league can win against the Lakers without three starters.  The Cavs had no size down low, and could not handle Bynum or Gasol at all.

One thing I will say is this:  the Lakers are BY FAR the most talented team in the league.  If they do not win the title, its only because of a lack of leadership and defensive intensity.   It is their's to lose, they have the POTENTIAL (NIK's favourite word) to be the best.   Question is, are they tough enough to do it for four rounds. 




stfu, genius..."potential"? Lakers ARE the best team in the league... by far. and when the Lakers have the best leader in the game, you sound a little dumb saying they'd lose "only because of a lack of leadership". LOL.


LMFAO@ "by far".  If you want to make an argument that the Lakers are the best, so what. People argue that the Cavs are, that the Celtics are, some even that the Magic are, and some say the Lakers are. Any argument can be made. But to say "by far" is what makes u look retarded man lolol.

 :stupid:
Title: Re: Monday- Cavs at Lakers...........
Post by: teecee on January 21, 2009, 12:11:11 PM
Just as I thought, the Cavs would have no chance in this one.  As I said before, no team in the league can win against the Lakers without three starters.  The Cavs had no size down low, and could not handle Bynum or Gasol at all.

One thing I will say is this:  the Lakers are BY FAR the most talented team in the league.  If they do not win the title, its only because of a lack of leadership and defensive intensity.   It is their's to lose, they have the POTENTIAL (NIK's favourite word) to be the best.   Question is, are they tough enough to do it for four rounds. 




stfu, genius..."potential"? Lakers ARE the best team in the league... by far. and when the Lakers have the best leader in the game, you sound a little dumb saying they'd lose "only because of a lack of leadership". LOL.


LMFAO@ "by far".  If you want to make an argument that the Lakers are the best, so what. People argue that the Cavs are, that the Celtics are, some even that the Magic are, and some say the Lakers are. Any argument can be made. But to say "by far" is what makes u look retarded man lolol.

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Exactly man,  Its similar to when NIK says Kobe is the best player "by far", when in fact its pretty damn close.  Really, it is impossible to judge which team is the best or which player is the best, but no team or player is by far superior to another at this point.  Kobe and Lebron are close, and the Lakers, Cavs, Magic, Celtics (the Spurs are coming) are up there as far as teams go. 
Title: Re: Monday- Cavs at Lakers...........
Post by: Stone Cold is Bout It, Bout It on January 21, 2009, 03:00:23 PM
Quote from: Kobe
“If he’s going to go off for a big night, I’ll sleep much better if he does it on me as opposed to going to sleep wishing I could have guarded him in those situations and maybe tried something different,” Bryant said. “If he’s going to have a big night, I want to take the responsibility.”

Kobe>>>>>>>>>>>Mr.Potato Head
Title: Re: Monday- Cavs at Lakers...........
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on January 21, 2009, 08:40:06 PM
Lakers playing their best ball can't be matched
Kobe playing his best ball can't be matched


Bynum=25 points and 10 rebounds at halftime


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