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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: Suga Foot on June 21, 2002, 05:02:10 PM
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I think 2Pac was one of the most all around talented artists ever. He did countless things for Hip Hop and Movies. He is one of the greatest rappers of all time. But, for some reason I never really listen to his music. I mean, I've got "All Eyes On Me", "Strictly.....", "Me Against the World", and "GH", but I never listen to them. I know they're dope, but I'm just never in the mood to isten to them. When new shit comes out, I'm just like "eh, whatever". Y'all are probably gonna hate me for this, lol.
also, right before Pac died, I thought he was the biggest fuckin prick. He was soo cocky, and that pissed me off. Dunno why, it just did.
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OMG......YES....word!!!!!!!!
me 2!!!
i feel ya 100%
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i was never really a fan, i'd listen to the music if i was at a party or somethin', but other than that I never really got into him
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pac is mah all time favorite
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im more of a fan of pac as a person that i am of his music...i mean, to me, Pac was the shit, but I never listened to much of his music, and still dont...I liked his personality alot more than i liked his music...I think Pac gained alot of fans through who he was as a person. Thats how i became a fan....but i dont really like his music or listen to it that much.
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He's alright, I just think he was a bit overrated. I got all his cd's, but I don't bump them very much.
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i was never really a fan, i'd listen to the music if i was at a party or somethin', but other than that I never really got into him
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pac is mah all time favorite
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i respected him. and liked some of his shit, and thought he was really talented, but i have never really bean a fan
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I've never been a fan of his music. I mean he was the best, but I don't like that everbody is listening to his music and is claiming to be a hip hop head.
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i respected him. and liked some of his shit, and thought he was really talented, but i have never really bean a fan
Same for me
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I never liked Pac's music.
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not really into his stuff any more i ust to be tho
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Shit I thought I was the only one, lol.
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I used to be deep into Pac when I was younger. Like in Middle School n shit... I played his shit out. I dont really like listening to his music that much nomore. I only hear it when someone else is listening to it or it comes up on tha Radio or some shit...
Tha way I look back on him now is like.. He was a pretty deep Gangsta Rap.. one of tha deepest. He had alot of stuff on his mind and really did use his music as poetry. Even when he was rappin about bullshit.. It was like he was rapping it with a meaning... with a point.
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I agree with Criminal - I was a huge fan when I was younger, and have got all his CDs. But at the end of the day, I think his legacy has been diluted since he died with all the posthumous releases. I played Until The End of Time for the first time in months and months yesterday, and thought it was well below average - too many of the tracks put out since his death have been sub-standard stuff that Pac himself probably wouldn't have wanted to see the light of day, and its pretty difficult to get excited about bumping that shit six years on...
So in answer to the question, no - nowadays I wouldn't consider myself a 'fan'. But RIP all the same, 'cause if he were still alive today and putting out his best quality work, I'm sure I would be saying the opposite.
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me too! :D
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pac is mah all time favorite
-{bLaDe}
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He's my all time fav. too, I consider him the G.O.A.T. I've been a big fan ever since he dropped "Strictly For My N.I.G.G.A.Z". My brother was a bit of a fan before me so thats how I picked up on him. I'd say 'Pac's material is prolly the music i've listened to most throughout my life, I don't think there's a week that goes by that I don't listen to his music, prolly because there's something in his music that suits every occasion. I also found him as great a person as a muscian too, he was really interesting, looking back at the many interviews he's did in the past he always had something meaninful to say.
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i respected him. and liked some of his shit, and thought he was really talented, but i have never really bean a fan
Thats pretty much the same for me. I have mad respect for Pac and some of the shit he stood for. Eventhough I have respect for Pac & his legacy I still agree with ya Suga Foot: He was the biggest prick right before he died.
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He was the biggest prick right before he died.
That was what the media's perception of him would have you believe......
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I find I don't listen to Pac as much as others cause you have to think more with his stuff.
I think his acting skills are overshadowed by his music a lot as well.
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Xzibit is the GOAT !!!!
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I was never a fan.
I liked some tracks but I've never liked the productions of his songs.
When I listen to his music I'm tired of it very quick.
When I compare this to Dre I gotta say I listen to Dre every day although he made only 2 solo albums.
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HE'S BOOOORRRRRIIIIINNNNNGGGGGGG!!!!!!
only reason why he's still on people's mind is cuz he's dead
if he had the chance to fall off, he'd of been forgotten about years ago
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Damn, I really can't believe what I'm reading.... ???
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wtf?damn this shit is sad dre dont even write his own rhymes if pac was alive today and you heard he was gonna collab with dre you would be pissin in your panties,and point blank pac speak the real shit if you cant stand it or its boring then that says somethin about you cuz pac aint cater to nobody and he gets love everywhere,mothafuckas talkin bout dre like he even in pacs league an shit yall is some real weak cats I'll give yall that much
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I Love Pac he is my all time favorite Rapper and but i Love Dre and i think that Dre is in that same league as Pac he revolutionized the industry He is arguably the greatest producer ever for any genre and i think he is my all time favorite artist but pac is my all time favorite Rapper. and as for you saying that Dre dont write his own shit is like saying that Pac dont produce his own shit. the both the best at what they do! i hope this shit dont happend but when it does and Dre dies you all will have the same kinda feeling about him as you do about Pac anybody who says any of these two artist suck you really need to get that ear wax out your ears and listen
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interesting opinions.
I gotta say I luv pac's music he is my favourite artist and I listen to him everyday.
And continue too listen too his shit, after I hear all these new albums comin out i bump them n there cool but then its straight back too pac's music.
I can see how people say you have too be in the right mood too listen too pac. Like if im trying to do work on some assignment for school/college then there is NO way i can listen to pac an focus on my work at the same time, its impossible for me, my mind just focuses on pacs lyrics n what he is trying too say.
the person that said he was boring and only reason hes on people's mind is cause he's dead! , i gotta say FUCK YOU thats disrespectful , pac was on another level back in 96 and stiLL is today.
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He was the biggest prick right before he died.
No need to speak for anybody, as 'Pac could if he was alive and what not, but in the end, people ate it up. That's like saying Eminem is annoying now, it sells, people love it so it's him. I remember everything that pissed people off, I was loving. 'Pac was the closest thing I've seen to Jesus it seemed, no lie, in California. People followed him and his words. So all that prick stuff, was what attracted his Cali following and sold. What people are saying, cool. But in the end of the day, 'Pac is the G.O.A.T. Source says Biggie, BET says 'Pac. The debate lives another day, but I think it is true, the post-death stuff does delute peoples views on him, but his true fans remember the greatest to ever hold a mic. But to each his own, I can't make you 'Pac fans by no means.
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HE'S BOOOORRRRRIIIIINNNNNGGGGGGG!!!!!!
only reason why he's still on people's mind is cuz he's dead
if he had the chance to fall off, he'd of been forgotten about 4 years ago
^^^This guy is a fucking idiot.
Personally, I think Pac is the G.O.A.T.........and more importantly, he was one of the most important artists of the 20th century, not just in hip hop, but in MUSIC PERIOD.
He doesnt have to be your fav, but to not like his music at all makes you a rather daft, and dare I say, SHALLOW person.
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/\/\/\ stfu both of u, that said i was trippin/\/\/\
accept the fact that it's an opinion....
don't even try and say he's the most important artist in music of the 20th century...remember it's rap...rap isn't the most important form of music *period*
if anythin biggy beats pac imo. he's more listenable then pac...pac jus complains all the time, and thinks he's the doggz bollox...
and why some of u tellin the peeps that don't like him, that he might not be our favs. but we gotta like his music....FUCK U, if we don't like him then that's his fault....
DICKRYDERS STOP HERE --------->
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Pac was defently NOT the most important artist for neither all music nor rap nor Gangsta Rap.
U can say he's the greatest(it's your opinion) but u can't call him the most important cuz he wasn't.
He din't start nothing and there was loads of rappers that were more important than him.
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if anythin biggy beats pac imo. he's more listenable then pac...pac jus complains all the time, and thinks he's the doggz bollox...
the only thing that he "beats" pac in is lyricisim & freestyling.
he talked about the same shit on almost every song unlike pac who was versatile. from dear mama to hitemup. show me where biggie did that? hell show me where biggie put some emotion into his work. me against the world has more emotion than every biggie album released. people who don't even like rap enjoy pac's music. so how are you gonna say he's boring? he did more before he got killed than most rappers will ever do in their whole career. not to mention he's got three classics to biggie's one.
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/\/\/\ that's all opinionated...don't u know what that means....stop trying to preach pac...and live with the fact that not everyone dick rydes pac like u
lyricism and freestylin are some of the most important factors in a good mc...somethin pac mustn't of been.
like the other guy said...pac didn't start anythin...he came and went....get over it
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/\/\/\ that's all opinionated...don't u know what that means....
you haven't even shown examples of your opinions so shut the fuck up.
stop trying to preach pac
i never said "go listen to pac". you couldn't comprehend what he was saying anyway.
and live with the fact that not everyone dick rydes pac like u
there's a difference between dickriding and defending
lyricism and freestylin are some of the most important factors in a good mc
hooray. ::)
somethin pac mustn't of been.
yeah thats why hes almost always 1st or 2nd in every magazine poll or editors "best mc's" section.
like the other guy said...pac didn't start anythin...he came and went....get over it
well he sure has alot of other rappers that want to be like him so he must've started something. its obvious your a hater.....
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This Liquid Dogg guy doesnt know what the fuck he's talking about. First off, I never said Pac was THE MOST important artist of the 20th century, I said ONE of the most most important. Do you read posts, or do you just skim through them? Second off, no matter how much you dislike Pac, his impact and influence is undeniable, and he IS the artist that all other hip hop artists today are measured by. FACT.
As for Biggie being better than Pac, thats an opinion. I vibe to both of their music, but Pac is the all-around better MC, no question. Pac has Big beat in the flow department, voice, charisma, diversity, # of classic albums, and most importantly, putting power behind words. Biggie didnt touch on nearly the amount of social and political issues that Pac did. Biggie was a rapper, Pac was a REVOLUTIONARY. Big difference. Ill give Biggie the edge in the lyrics department, but thats about the only edge he has over Pac. And im not a Biggie hater, I own both Ready To Die and Life After Death, but he is nowhere near Pac's level.
Like him or not, Pac is the most influential rapper of all time. And that I can safely say is a fact. I remember when Pac died, Chuck D said he hear the Makaveli album [and keep in mind, Chuck D is one of the greatest ever and was a big influence on Pac], and it was the most amazing shit he's ever heard. Nobody artist has opened as many doors in the black community like Pac has since BOB MARLEY. Period.
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Bottomline:
Pac has done for hip hop what the Beatles did for classic rock.
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If "influential" includes the loads of biters he could be one of the most but that ain't what we talking bout.
Pac was much too late to have this much influence.
What about N.W.A., Eazy, Dre, Slick Rick, Ice-T...
THEY really started something.
N.W.A. made G rap popular, Dre produced them and many other legends.
How many rap legends wouldn't we probably ever have heard of without Dre?
He brought Ruthless the success, made The D.O.C. and Snoop big, created his own style(G Funk) which dominated hiphop for nearly 4 years and founded Death Row(the label on which Pac became really successful).
Anything he touched was on top soon(Ruthless, Death Row, Aftermath) plus he was there from the beginning of this G shit and was even one of those who started it.
But still there're many who were even earlier so it can't be Pac.
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The difference is, Pac was the COMPLETE rapper. Eazy E, Dre, Slick Rick, etc etc are great rappers, but they dont have the all-around diversity that Pac had. Pac was the one of the VERY FEW rappers who could make dope commercial tracks, and still keep hip hop respect. Only a handful of other MC's have that ability. If you ask anyone in the industry today who the most important figure of all time in hip hop is, I can almost gurantee you the answer is gonna be Tupac. Sure, other people came before him, but he took everything they did to the next level. Its the same thing in rock music with the Beatles. Many people came before the Beatles did, but who is everyone in the rock industry measured by?? The Beatles. Its the same exact thing with Pac and hip hop. Nobody in hip hop had the impact or impact of Pac, and "All Eyez On Me" is the album EVERYONE in hip hop today wants to make [but cant].
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Ya'll jus make me laugh....
as i've said b4....if he was still alive now, he'd probz be on crack with a fucked up life....
this is where i end my argument...
PEACE
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Ya'll jus make me laugh....
as i've said b4....if he was still alive now, he'd probz be on crack with a fucked up life....
this is where i end my argument...
PEACE
You never had an arguement to begin with.
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ur american aren't u?
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ur american aren't u?
Yes sir. Damn fucking proud of it too.
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Yes sir. Damn fucking proud of it too.
I can't lie....it shows
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All Eyez on me is for sure a good album but see the perfect situation Pac was in when he dropped the album.
Death Row was at it's top like nobody ever before and look at the featured artists and producers.
Dre, Snoop, Nate, Tha Dogg Pound, George Clinton, Method MAn, Redman, Dramacydal, C-Bo, E-40, B-Legit, Michel'le, Storm, Danny Boy, Roger Troutman, Rappin 4-Tay, KC, Jewell, Richie Rich...
And don't get me wrong I ain't sayin he got everything because of his death but u gotta admit it made the legend much bigger.
Now EVERYBODY even former enemies like Puffy claim respecting him.
I don't think it would be exactly the same way if he was still alive.
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I don't think it would be exactly the same way if he was still alive.
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All Eyez on me is for sure a good album but see the perfect situation Pac was in when he dropped the album.
Death Row was at it's top like nobody ever before and look at the featured artists and producers.
Dre, Snoop, Nate, Tha Dogg Pound, George Clinton, Method MAn, Redman, Dramacydal, C-Bo, E-40, B-Legit, Michel'le, Storm, Danny Boy, Roger Troutman, Rappin 4-Tay, KC, Jewell, Richie Rich...
And don't get me wrong I ain't sayin he got everything because of his death but u gotta admit it made the legend much bigger.
Now EVERYBODY even former enemies like Puffy claim respecting him.
I don't think it would be exactly the same way if he was still alive.
I agree with alot of that, but the thing is, I dont think Pac had reached his peak yet at the time of his death. All Eyez On Me and Makaveli are both classics, but the scary thing is, I think they were only a GLIMPSE of what he was capable of. He was definatly getting stronger from album to album, and his last 3 albums [from Me Against The World to Makaveli] are were/are just amazing. If he were I alive today, I do think he would still be on top of the rap game, cuz he was so far ahead of his time. All his songs, even from his early work, still have relevance in today's society. Makaveli was the album were was starting to go back to his roots [from 2Pacalypse Now], but with much better production and more knowledge under his belt. Had he not been shot, I cant even imagine how his music would sound today. Shit would probably be straight up MINDBLOWING. Either way, his impact is still being felt. All his post-humous albums still top the charts and go multi-platinum, and his older albums, especially All Eyez On Me still sell at a faster rate than most albums coming TODAY. And AEOM is what, over 6 years old?? Thats just staggering. That album has sold 10 million+ [here in the States], and its STILL selling at a fast pace over half a decade later. Me Against The World, Makaveli, and his Greatest Hits album still sell mad units too.
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The difference is, Pac was the COMPLETE rapper. Eazy E, Dre, Slick Rick, etc etc are great rappers, but they dont have the all-around diversity that Pac had. Pac was the one of the VERY FEW rappers who could make dope commercial tracks, and still keep hip hop respect. Only a handful of other MC's have that ability. If you ask anyone in the industry today who the most important figure of all time in hip hop is, I can almost gurantee you the answer is gonna be Tupac. Sure, other people came before him, but he took everything they did to the next level. Its the same thing in rock music with the Beatles. Many people came before the Beatles did, but who is everyone in the rock industry measured by?? The Beatles. Its the same exact thing with Pac and hip hop. Nobody in hip hop had the impact or impact of Pac, and "All Eyez On Me" is the album EVERYONE in hip hop today wants to make [but cant].
tupac is just anotha fake thug rapper loved by white surburbs kids
tupac is/was the most overated MC (no wait...rapper)
coz wit no capabilities to freestyle or use metaphores he cant even be considered as a MC
he's just one more commercial rapper
he was an ex back up dancer for MC hammer turned studio thug!
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tupac is just anotha fake thug rapper loved by white surburbs kids
tupac is/was the most overated MC (no wait...rapper)
coz wit no capabilities to freestyle or use metaphores he cant even be considered as a MC
he's just one more commercial rapper
he was an ex back up dancer for MC hammer turned studio thug!
There you again with more bullshit. Pac had plenty of capabilities in using metaphors [see Got My Mind Made Up and Me And My Girlfriend], but who gives a fuck about metaphors anyway?? The message behind his music is faaaaaaaar more important than some cliche ass metaphors anyway. He didnt need to use "big words" or "metaphors" to sound good like most other rappers OR MC's, he let his MESSAGE do the talking. Biggie could NEVER pen a song like "Brendas Got A Baby", "So Many Tears", "Smile", "Only God Can Judge Me", or "White Mans World".....period.
And Pac was a commercial rapper?? Maybe so, but at least he knew who to make DOPE commercial tracks, unlike 95% of every other rapper or MC out there.
Liquid Dogg, I understand you are a Tupac hater, and you seem to have something against Pac personally, but take that shit to another board. For real. Cuz as a Pac hater, you're not gonna survive on THIS board for very long, since your opinion is in such a vast minority.
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so now u judgin me cuz i don't like pac......'lol' is all i gotta type
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did you ever stop to think that biggie was a commercial rapper as well? and that pac got better with every album he released? would a studio thug shoot at cops, run with the bloods, and pull out a bat at their concert & beat the hell outta another rapper cause they disrespected him?
tell biggie to come out with another good album before you call pac overrated. a legacy running off of one classic won't last long.
btw, i thought u were ending your "argument"?
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did you ever stop to think that biggie was a commercial rapper as well? and that pac got better with every album he released? would a studio thug shoot at cops, run with the bloods, and pull out a bat at their concert & beat the hell outta another rapper cause they disrespected him?
tell biggie to come out with another good album before you call pac overrated. a legacy running off of one classic won't last long.
btw, i thought u were ending your "argument"?
i don't like biggy tho, i jus think he's more listenable then pac is....
pac's the rapper that all white suburbians love to listen to....because...like 1 of u said...he rapped about politics and shit....who wants to hear about that shit apart from white suburbans!!??
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pac is a very average rapper.
white people for some reason think he is the best though.
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finally, somethin we both agree on fab....there's nothin special bout him....jus cuz he's dead peeps seem to be on his nuuutz
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finally, somethin we both agree on fab....there's nothin special bout him....jus cuz he's dead peeps seem to be on his nuuutz
Just shut up already and quit makin yourself look like an idiot.
If there was nothing special about Pac his albums wouldnt continue to top the charts 6 years after his death and his older albums wouldnt still push mad units, but they do.
Keep makin yourself look rediculous.
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yall kids aint black quit tryin to play the roll niggaz might not bump his new shit thats been commin out but they still bumpin his old shit and its been 7 years quit hatin and give it up for pac stop stuntin you played that shit out
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yall kids aint black quit tryin to play the roll niggaz might not bump his new shit thats been commin out but they still bumpin his old shit and its been 7 years quit hatin and give it up for pac stop stuntin you played that shit out
When did race come into this discussion and why does it even matter?
You probably ain't black yourself
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I agree with alot of that, but the thing is, I dont think Pac had reached his peak yet at the time of his death. All Eyez On Me and Makaveli are both classics, but the scary thing is, I think they were only a GLIMPSE of what he was capable of. He was definatly getting stronger from album to album, and his last 3 albums [from Me Against The World to Makaveli] are were/are just amazing. If he were I alive today, I do think he would still be on top of the rap game, cuz he was so far ahead of his time. All his songs, even from his early work, still have relevance in today's society. Makaveli was the album were was starting to go back to his roots [from 2Pacalypse Now], but with much better production and more knowledge under his belt. Had he not been shot, I cant even imagine how his music would sound today. Shit would probably be straight up MINDBLOWING. Either way, his impact is still being felt. All his post-humous albums still top the charts and go multi-platinum, and his older albums, especially All Eyez On Me still sell at a faster rate than most albums coming TODAY. And AEOM is what, over 6 years old?? Thats just staggering. That album has sold 10 million+ [here in the States], and its STILL selling at a fast pace over half a decade later. Me Against The World, Makaveli, and his Greatest Hits album still sell mad units too.
Perhaps he'd have improved but u can't give somebody props for what he COULD have done.
Alright, All Eyez On Me sold much and is still selling but in my opinion sales doesn't tell very much.
Straight Outta Compton was for sure more influential than All Eyez On Me but N.W.A. didn't have the chance of selling as much as Pac did cause Pac was much more commercial.
Ja Rule 's selling more than many top rappers but does that make him betta or more influential?
The Marshall Mathers LP would have to be tho most influential of'em all then.
Fact is when Pac came on top G rap was already big.
Most rappers of today were already known and already found their style so Pac can't be the biggest influence for them.
Unlike Dre who defently had much influence on N.W.A., Snoop, The D.O.C., Eazy, Ice Cube ect, Pac didn't do anything like that.
Did Snoop's music improve since Pac? Personally, I defently don't think so.
Snoop's just 1 example but there're many more.
In fact the best music was BEFORE Pac was on top. Of course it ain't Pac's fault, all I'm sayin is he didn't have that much influence.
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pac is a very average rapper.
white people for some reason think he is the best though.
WHITE PEOPLE. I don't know where your from.... but most White people I know in Cali hated 2Pac. IT was the blacks, and Meixcans that showed him love. Personally, I'm Mexican, and 'Pac to me was the G.O.A.T. I never responded here, 'cause I can't change minds, but in person, I have gotten Biggie fans to admit that 'Pac was better than Big.
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pac is mah all time favorite
ygea mine 2