West Coast Connection Forum
Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: Jay ay Beee on November 04, 2004, 10:28:29 AM
-
I was wrong - Trauma was right.
I grossly overestimated the American people's ability to think independently without thinking about the church/negative ads/trumped up fear of terrorism.
I heard two really good comments about this election. One was on here in my prediction thread about how nearly all of the major cities (ie. the parts of America that live in the 21st century not the 19th) voted Kerry. This made me think how unfortunate it is that those people who are actually under the biggest threat from terrorism chose Kerry to lead them, whereas the rural areas that chose Bush are in no danger from terrorism. I am moving to London in January, and I am in far more danger from terrorists than the likes of Trauma and most Bush supporters. Bush invading Iraq = millions more terrorists and terrorist sympathisers.
An American from New York on another site said (jokingly) that maybe it is time for another civil war. It seems to me that if the West and East Coasts united to get rid of the hicks in the middle, the world would be a better place. lol.
Anyway, I was wrong about the election.
-
(http://img3.exs.cx/img3/2787/new_map.jpg)
^this would be cool lol
-
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
One shouldn't attack the ideals of Jesus because there are people who claim to belive in them but refuse to act in accordance with them. The Church itself had stayed so far away from the ideals it's ridiculous. It isn't Jesus's fault Bush is an asshole or that he wants to ban gay marriage. Realistically speaking, do New York and California need the south at all anymore? I mean back in the day when the North took over, the South had a resource that was needed for the economy, but today the North could separate and probably wouldn't be any worse off. I don't agree with associating hte teachings of Jesus with Bush, but I wouldn't mind that split as you show it. Canada would be a lot better off, and the Democrats would be rid of hte Republicans.
-
I grossly overestimated the American people's ability to think independently without thinking about the church/negative ads/trumped up fear of terrorism.
I'm not overly religious. I don't watch much TV, and didn't see many negative ads. I fear terrorism as much as the next person. I think independently. I voted for Bush.
I heard two really good comments about this election. One was on here in my prediction thread about how nearly all of the major cities (ie. the parts of America that live in the 21st century not the 19th) voted Kerry.
You really show your ignorance with these comments. Have you ever been to America? How can you say that people are living in the 19th century without being here?
Texas has 3 cities in the top 10 biggest cities in our country. It voted for Bush. How do you explain that? Phoenix Arizona is the 6th biggest city in America and That State went to Bush. How do you explain that? Face it, we support the President.
Bush was the first president since 1988 to get more than 50% of the popular vote. I guess it's just the people living in ignorance right?
Bush also got the most popular votes EVER with 59 million. Those silly hicks are at it again.
This made me think how unfortunate it is that those people who are actually under the biggest threat from terrorism chose Kerry to lead them, whereas the rural areas that chose Bush are in no danger from terrorism. I am moving to London in January, and I am in far more danger from terrorists than the likes of Trauma and most Bush supporters. Bush invading Iraq = millions more terrorists and terrorist sympathizers.
You really don't understand the problem of worldwide terrorism do you? Jihad had been around LONG before the United States, and long before Britain. These people would continue to attack us even if we took every last troop out of the middle east. It's all about pretexts for the jihadists. Take a look at France and the threats it faces for banning headscarves in it's schools. Wasn't France 110% opposed to the war in Iraq? Take a look at the filmmaker that was killed in Amsterdam yesterday just for making a film criticizing Islam. Take a look at how his picture was spit upon by muslims who obviously supported the killing. I could go on and on and show you more examples that Muslims across the world aren't fighting a war of defense, but a war of offense. Kerry has shown time and time again, that he didn't understand this, and he didn't have the balls to confront it.
An American from New York on another site said (jokingly) that maybe it is time for another civil war. It seems to me that if the West and East Coasts united to get rid of the hicks in the middle, the world would be a better place. lol.
I think civil war in the UK is a good idea. Those ignorant non-city dwellers aren't even worth the air they breath. The world would be a better place without them. How does that comment sit with you?
Anyways, You're a fucking moron.
-
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
If you don't live in New York City or Los Angeles, do you really fear terrorism? Anyone living in Arkasa or Alabama and fears terrorism is among the stupidest people in the history of mankind. Bush could probably tell them that Kerry's a witch and they'd believe it. Do you really think there is anything in Oregon that Muslim Terrorist want to attack?
Oh and by the way, if you go back far enough in history you'd probably find out that it was the Catholics that started a lot of the anger amongst Muslim extremists. Why would France ban the hijab? Wasn't France one of hte first to promote freedom of religion? Oh how much better off we'd be if Napolean had won. Stupid Britain should've just let him win, they were destined to lose anyway.
-
i voted for bush
i live in niagara falls, about 30 minutes away they found a terrorist cell in lackawanna, they found blueprints of the Niagara Hydroelectric powerplant on a terrorist website and i'm in the military
anything you'd like to say to me about voting for bush?
-
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I can understand people in New York state being cautious, but not in Idaho, or wherever. I don't hate Bush. I also don't think these decisions rest on one man, but I'm concerned that this regime will bring upon more unneccessary war. I'm also afraid they'll piss off the wrong person and a massive strike will hit New York or Washington. Anythings possible, and if a Nuke hit's New York, then I'll be hurt here in Toronto just as bad as if I were in New York. I'm also a Christian, and one who strongly belives in Christian values and I don't care to see innocent people killed all over the world at the hands of war.
-
im from nyc, 30 minutes outside of manhattan an i still voted for bush. And i have no faith what so ever bush could prevent another terroist attack from happenin in manhattan again.
-
im from nyc, 30 minutes outside of manhattan an i still voted for bush. And i have no faith what so ever bush could prevent another terroist attack from happenin in manhattan again.
you voted for Bush ??? ??? typo isnt it?
-
Do you really think there is anything in Oregon that Muslim Terrorist want to attack?
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/US/West/10/04/oregon.fbi.alqaeda/
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/02/13/terror/main600278.shtml
-
anything you'd like to say to me about voting for bush?
Since you are in the military, do you believe proportionality should have been a guideline to the war in Iraq?
-
Tom, why did you vote for Bush?
-
You really don't understand the problem of worldwide terrorism do you? Jihad had been around LONG before the United States, and long before Britain. These people would continue to attack us even if we took every last troop out of the middle east. It's all about pretexts for the jihadists. Take a look at France and the threats it faces for banning headscarves in it's schools. Wasn't France 110% opposed to the war in Iraq? Take a look at the filmmaker that was killed in Amsterdam yesterday just for making a film criticizing Islam. Take a look at how his picture was spit upon by muslims who obviously supported the killing. I could go on and on and show you more examples that Muslims across the world aren't fighting a war of defense, but a war of offense. Kerry has shown time and time again, that he didn't understand this, and he didn't have the balls to confront it.
Quit think jihad = terrorism. Of course the concept of defense of Islam has been around before America because Islam has been here before America. The way you seemingly tie random things together to justify your stupid stance is gettin old.
The only reason theres a "worldwide terrorism" problem is because of your govt. Ignore that if you may.
Random directors gettin killed in random Europeans countries is not representative of world wide Islamic terrorism. Ignore that if u may.
Those bums threatening France is one tear drop in a pool of hatred towards America. Try again.
Muslims spittin on the picture of an anti Muslim is representative of world wide Islam? Lol. Try Again.
So tell me now Englewood, what is this offensive war that Muslims are fighting? A bunch of disenfranchised poor fucks who have no control over their own countries is now targeting the greatest military power in the world , in an act of offensive aggression? Laughable. Completely utterly fuckin laughable.
I think you clowning the C level posters in here done gassed you up into thinking youre actually proving something. Dont forget youre my biatch, my Mauzip, my C walker, my Trauma, dont forget that, and take this garbage of a post out of here.
-
They caught a muslim a few months ago videotaping the Charlotte skyline, and he had a car full of pictures of buildings and skyscrapers. To act like Charlotte, where I live, the 2nd largest banking center in America (behind only New York, which was already bombed twice), isn't a target, is a little naieve, don't you think?
More evidence that a dumbass sitting in a foriegn country has no fucking business running his mouth about American politics.
-
More evidence that a dumbass sitting in a foriegn country has no fucking business running his mouth about American politics.
My pubic hair has more business talkin about American politics than you do faggot
-
They caught a muslim a few months ago videotaping the Charlotte skyline, and he had a car full of pictures of buildings and skyscrapers. To act like Charlotte, where I live, the 2nd largest banking center in America (behind only New York, which was already bombed twice), isn't a target, is a little naieve, don't you think?
More evidence that a dumbass sitting in a foriegn country has no fucking business running his mouth about American politics.
They also caught Mossad (Israeli intelligence) agents videotaping the Empire State building... nobody cares though, huh?
-
They caught a muslim a few months ago videotaping the Charlotte skyline, and he had a car full of pictures of buildings and skyscrapers. To act like Charlotte, where I live, the 2nd largest banking center in America (behind only New York, which was already bombed twice), isn't a target, is a little naieve, don't you think?
More evidence that a dumbass sitting in a foriegn country has no fucking business running his mouth about American politics.
Yeah and a lot of the Terrorists came from Canada. I'm not scared, because I'm not stupid enough to fall for bull shit. I bet you stayed indoors during the whole sniper thing, because he might suddenly leave Washington and attack you. You idiots are so filled with fear it's disgusting. I'm not even a big Michael Moore fan, but he was right in Bowling For Columbine when he said that. I've actually spoken to my American relatives and they actually do lock their doors and windows even when they're home. I don't even lock mine if I leave, so long as I'll be home with in the hour. And don't make it seem like I'm some foreigner who doesn't know shit, because I frequently venture down south. Toronto isn't exactly far away from the states, and it's like the 4th largest city in North America. Bigger than any city in yiour precious south. Toronto is as American as you can get in Canada. It's nothing like the rest of this country. The problem with Americans like you is that you take foreigner and make it seem like it means inferior. I probably have as much access to American knowledge in Toronto as any major American, and more than the minor ones. Sorry pal, but Charlotte doesn't count as a major city.
Terrorist attacking Charlotte? They might rob your bank but that's it. What is there to bomb in Charlotte that would make an impact on the world?
-
im from nyc, 30 minutes outside of manhattan an i still voted for bush. And i have no faith what so ever bush could prevent another terroist attack from happenin in manhattan again.
you voted for Bush ??? ??? typo isnt it?
my bad i meant i didnt
-
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Am I the only one that knew it was a typo. NYC doesn't vote for Bush. They even booed Giuliani for supporting Bush. You can't fool NYC voters with simple propaganda.
-
NYC knows whats up, thats why, dont you think its strange, that all the states that got attacked on 9/11 voted for kerry? thats cause they know what the fuck is up unlike Hickland which is going to be the new name of the rest of the US when this new civil war starts.
-
They caught a muslim a few months ago videotaping the Charlotte skyline, and he had a car full of pictures of buildings and skyscrapers. To act like Charlotte, where I live, the 2nd largest banking center in America (behind only New York, which was already bombed twice), isn't a target, is a little naieve, don't you think?
More evidence that a dumbass sitting in a foriegn country has no fucking business running his mouth about American politics.
Yeah and a lot of the Terrorists came from Canada. I'm not scared, because I'm not stupid enough to fall for bull shit. I bet you stayed indoors during the whole sniper thing, because he might suddenly leave Washington and attack you. You idiots are so filled with fear it's disgusting. I'm not even a big Michael Moore fan, but he was right in Bowling For Columbine when he said that. I've actually spoken to my American relatives and they actually do lock their doors and windows even when they're home. I don't even lock mine if I leave, so long as I'll be home with in the hour. And don't make it seem like I'm some foreigner who doesn't know shit, because I frequently venture down south. Toronto isn't exactly far away from the states, and it's like the 4th largest city in North America. Bigger than any city in yiour precious south. Toronto is as American as you can get in Canada. It's nothing like the rest of this country. The problem with Americans like you is that you take foreigner and make it seem like it means inferior. I probably have as much access to American knowledge in Toronto as any major American, and more than the minor ones. Sorry pal, but Charlotte doesn't count as a major city.
Terrorist attacking Charlotte? They might rob your bank but that's it. What is there to bomb in Charlotte that would make an impact on the world?
Stop posting. You're a fucking moron.
-
People want civil war because they're precious presidential candidate didn't win. Learn to cope. You're fucking losers, you ought to be used to it by now.
-
They caught a muslim a few months ago videotaping the Charlotte skyline, and he had a car full of pictures of buildings and skyscrapers. To act like Charlotte, where I live, the 2nd largest banking center in America (behind only New York, which was already bombed twice), isn't a target, is a little naieve, don't you think?
More evidence that a dumbass sitting in a foriegn country has no fucking business running his mouth about American politics.
Yeah and a lot of the Terrorists came from Canada. I'm not scared, because I'm not stupid enough to fall for bull shit. I bet you stayed indoors during the whole sniper thing, because he might suddenly leave Washington and attack you. You idiots are so filled with fear it's disgusting. I'm not even a big Michael Moore fan, but he was right in Bowling For Columbine when he said that. I've actually spoken to my American relatives and they actually do lock their doors and windows even when they're home. I don't even lock mine if I leave, so long as I'll be home with in the hour. And don't make it seem like I'm some foreigner who doesn't know shit, because I frequently venture down south. Toronto isn't exactly far away from the states, and it's like the 4th largest city in North America. Bigger than any city in yiour precious south. Toronto is as American as you can get in Canada. It's nothing like the rest of this country. The problem with Americans like you is that you take foreigner and make it seem like it means inferior. I probably have as much access to American knowledge in Toronto as any major American, and more than the minor ones. Sorry pal, but Charlotte doesn't count as a major city.
Terrorist attacking Charlotte? They might rob your bank but that's it. What is there to bomb in Charlotte that would make an impact on the world?
Stop posting. You're a fucking moron.
FINALLY, SOMEONE SPEAKS OUT AGAINST THIS CAT!!! I was starting to wonder if I was the only person here besides smartass that realized that Shallow is a douche.
-
Shallow, lemme clarify something for you, with pictures, maybe it'll help you out a little bit.
Downtown Toronto:
(http://www.city.toronto.on.ca/toronto_images/images/queenpark.jpg)
Downtown Charlotte:
(http://store6.yimg.com/I/retrocollection_1777_343523)
So keep filing us away as a hick town like Mayberry if it makes you feel better... but as I said, we're the second biggest financial center in the United States, and the first biggest has been bombed twice.
-
They caught a muslim a few months ago videotaping the Charlotte skyline, and he had a car full of pictures of buildings and skyscrapers. To act like Charlotte, where I live, the 2nd largest banking center in America (behind only New York, which was already bombed twice), isn't a target, is a little naieve, don't you think?
More evidence that a dumbass sitting in a foriegn country has no fucking business running his mouth about American politics.
Yeah and a lot of the Terrorists came from Canada. I'm not scared, because I'm not stupid enough to fall for bull shit. I bet you stayed indoors during the whole sniper thing, because he might suddenly leave Washington and attack you. You idiots are so filled with fear it's disgusting. I'm not even a big Michael Moore fan, but he was right in Bowling For Columbine when he said that. I've actually spoken to my American relatives and they actually do lock their doors and windows even when they're home. I don't even lock mine if I leave, so long as I'll be home with in the hour. And don't make it seem like I'm some foreigner who doesn't know shit, because I frequently venture down south. Toronto isn't exactly far away from the states, and it's like the 4th largest city in North America. Bigger than any city in yiour precious south. Toronto is as American as you can get in Canada. It's nothing like the rest of this country. The problem with Americans like you is that you take foreigner and make it seem like it means inferior. I probably have as much access to American knowledge in Toronto as any major American, and more than the minor ones. Sorry pal, but Charlotte doesn't count as a major city.
Terrorist attacking Charlotte? They might rob your bank but that's it. What is there to bomb in Charlotte that would make an impact on the world?
Stop posting. You're a fucking moron.
Please explain.
And Trauma let's get something straight. I'm not trying to make Charlotte seem like Bitters Arkansas, but it isn't as big as Toronto, New York or LA. Particularly in the world view. If terrorst wanterd to make an impact they'd hit a major city like New York or Washigton D.C., because it ges the point across. Charlotte won't mean shit to the world.
Oh and that's only a part of Down town Toronto. I hate downtown Toronto, but it's still bigger than Charlotte.
And Davida B. Who the fuck are you? Have we even had any interaction? Smartass? This guy thinks some reject from the 36 Mafia is better than Eminem, and I don't. That's why he sees I'm a douche?
All I know is if you guys into War after War in the next 4 years, don't say the intelligent rational side of the world didn't warn you. I'll be fine up here in Canada. And If I have to I'll move North, or to Australia.
-
Don't move to Australia. You'd hate it over there too. The Prime Minister is a firm supporter of Bush, just won a crushing election victory, so he apparently has the support of most of Australia.
The funny thing about Australia is, too, that everybody ALREADY lives on the west and east coasts..... so you can't blame Howard getting elected on all the hicks in the middle, lol... there aren't any.
-
Yes its amazing how one or two countries in the world can tolerate Bush.
-
Don't move to Australia. You'd hate it over there too. The Prime Minister is a firm supporter of Bush, just won a crushing election victory, so he apparently has the support of most of Australia.
The funny thing about Australia is, too, that everybody ALREADY lives on the west and east coasts..... so you can't blame Howard getting elected on all the hicks in the middle, lol... there aren't any.
Thanks for the tip. I only mentioned Australia because it's far away from middle east and here, but I have no idea hw the political landscape looked. And it's not that I hate it here, or in the states. I don't hate Bush, I'm just a little worried what his administration might do, and what others might do in retaliation. I'm not talking about Terrorists, I'm talking about War.
-
move to england.. you'll get treated better as an immigrant than people who have lived here all their lives..
starting with a free home...
-
move to england.. you'll get treated better as an immigrant than people who have lived here all their lives..
starting with a free home...
They just give away free houses?
Well no big war has started yet, so I'll wait and see. I'm not certain Bush will bring trouble, I'm just a little worried.
-
Stop crying.
-
Stop crying.
Who's crying? Someone took one little remark said for effect and I kept it going for fun. I'm not moving. The only thing that would make me consider it would be if Korea got involved and threated a nuclear attack on the US. That won't happen, but if it does I'd be on the first bus way up North.
-
I wasn't posting to you(thread stater)...
-
I wasn't posting to you(thread stater)...
Oh, sorry. My mistake completely, but you can see why I'd think it was for me. Once again, I apologize.
-
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/US/P/00/epolls.0.html
VOTE BY INCOME
Under $15,000 - 36%(Bush) 63%(kerry)
$15-30,000 - 42%(Bush) 57%(kerry)
VOTE BY EDUCATION
No High School - 49%(Bush) 50%(kerry)
H.S. Graduate - 52%(Bush) 47%(kerry)
Some College - 54%(Bush) 46%(Kerry)
College Graduate - 52%(Bush) 46%(Kerry)
-
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/US/P/00/epolls.0.html
VOTE BY INCOME
Under $15,000 - 36%(Bush) 63%(kerry)
$15-30,000 - 42%(Bush) 57%(kerry)
VOTE BY EDUCATION
No High School - 49%(Bush) 50%(kerry)
H.S. Graduate - 52%(Bush) 47%(kerry)
Some College - 54%(Bush) 46%(Kerry)
College Graduate - 52%(Bush) 46%(Kerry)
Yes it is really sad the state of the American education system. You left out the damaging statistics though:
Postgrad Study (16%)
44% Bush
55% Kerry
Unfortunately, the American educational system is beginning to destroy our grad programs as well. Wait and see. This isn't a problem of Bush, it has been happening.
-
That makes no sense.
It's been established that the more education you have the more money you make.
Take a look at the stats of household income and their voting trends. The more money people make, the more people vote for Bush.
-
First of all the numbers there aren't exact. They were based off of sample data and don't necesarily tell the whole story.
Secondly... your own numbers point out that the highest educated percentage of the population voted Kerry. But personally I don't care which percentage did which.
Hitler was democratically elected. The voters didn't 'prove' him to be a good leader. Just because people vote for someone doesn't mean they are good. History will prove what is good. History is already beginning to prove it.
Look over the past 4 years. Are you blind?
More americans are in the poverty level now than before.
More of america is bitterly divided now than before.
America is running massive deficits.
Anti-Americanism is at an all time high.
The war in iraq is failure, both because there were no WMD, and we aren't even winning.
Afghanistan is produced 70% of the world's opium.
The US dollar is steadily dropping
Healtcare costs went up
Education costs went up.
Pharma companies are making record profits
Energy companies are making record profits
the FBI is investigating Halliburton
The fact that a large number of American's choose Bush says more about our population than it does about Bush. It doesn't prove him to be good, it proves us to be stupid.
You live in Oregon, no one cares about your state. UBL isn't coming to bomb you, yet your the one shitting your pants that the terrorists are going to attack. Your waging a war on behalf of the BLUE states. We are at risk jackass, and you are the ones that are scared.
-
^ agree. Bush is an idiot along with 50% of americans.
-
If you don't live in New York City or Los Angeles, do you really fear terrorism? Anyone living in Arkasa or Alabama and fears terrorism is among the stupidest people in the history of mankind.
It cracks me up too
-
i voted for bush
i live in niagara falls, about 30 minutes away they found a terrorist cell in lackawanna, they found blueprints of the Niagara Hydroelectric powerplant on a terrorist website and i'm in the military
anything you'd like to say to me about voting for bush?
Yeah I have got something to say to you.
Read this:
"In Friday’s debate, President Bush mentioned the Lackawanna “terrorist cell” as a victory. It was a round up of six guys who had been to Afghanistan before it was a crime, and the case has served to overturn the part of the Patriot Act that refers to “material support and personnel.”
http://www.easternecho.com/cgi-bin/story.cgi?3526
-
Karl Rove won this election.
Kerry got more votes than Clinton.
What does this tell you?
Bush won by 170,000 votes in Ohio, the Republicans managed to get a gay marriage amendment on the ballot which made sure their Jesusland voters got off their asses and got to the polls. That is what won the election.