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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: Real American on December 09, 2005, 03:39:00 PM
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Only in Hollyweird, California would someone who used a shotgun to blow the heads off of four innocent people become a celebrated hero. This man needs to suffer the consequences of his actions. Please Governor Swarzanegger, do not grant this animal clemency.
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THE TOOKIE FILES
By Michelle Malkin · November 26, 2005 03:33 PM
Convicted murderer Stanley "Tookie" Williams, the co-founder of the violent Crips gang who is on Death Row in California, is Hollyweird's current cause celebre. He is scheduled to be executed on Dec. 13 after 24 years of legal wrangling. The San Francisco Chronicle reports today that Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger has decided to hold a clemency hearing Dec. 8.
Among the Save Tookie brigades: Snoop Dogg, Bianca Jagger, Jesse Jackson, Margaret Cho, Mike Farrell, Jason Alexander, Laurence Fishburne, Danny Glover, Anjelica Huston, Bonnie Raitt, Tim Robbins, Susan Sarandon, and Noah Wyle.
I wrote about Williams' bleeding-heart worshipers back in 2000, when he was nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize:
San Quentin prison officials report that juvenile delinquents idolize Williams. His propaganda has been endorsed by the Congressional Black Caucus. As part of an ongoing public relations campaign to soften his image while he ties up the courts with specious legal appeals, Williams has been profiled sympathetically by People magazine, Time, the Los Angeles Times, and the ethnic press. He even appeared on a TV special introduced by President Clinton. Barbara Becnel, a crusading journalist who "edits" Williams' writings, once gushed that if the death-row inmate had "been raised in Brentwood instead of South Central, he'd be head of the state Democratic party."
Williams' groupies would have us believe that their Nobel Peace Prize nominee is a helpless victim of his environment, addled by low self-esteem, forced to turn to violence by racist oppressors, and now apologetic "for the atrocities which I and others committed against our race through gang violence." Spare us the sob story. Here are the cold-blooded facts missing from Williams' Nobel Peace Prize application:
Williams was convicted of murdering four innocent bystanders with a sawed-off shotgun in 1979. There was nothing peaceful or compassionate about the way [Albert Owens], Thsai-Shai Yang, Yen-I Yang and Yee Chen Lin died. Owen was a white teen-age clerk at a 7-11 convenience store, shot twice in the back of the head -- execution-style -- as he lay unarmed on the floor during a hold-up. A witness testified that Williams mocked the gurgling sounds Owen made as he lay dying. "You should have heard the way he sounded when I shot him," the witness quoted Williams.
The Yangs were Taiwanese immigrants who, along with their daughter Yee Chen Lin, were gunned down during a motel robbery two weeks after Owen died. Half of the daughter's face was blown off by the shotgun blasts, former L.A. County Deputy District Attorney Robert Martin told me in an interview this week. Williams called them "Buddhaheads," Martin recounted, and robbed them of petty cash.
Williams has yet to apologize to the victims' families. When the trial ended, Martin told me, Williams muttered to the prosecution team, "I'll get every one of you m-----f-----s."
Spoken like a Nobel laureate.
Tookie Williams was sentenced to die for these brutal crimes in 1981. But at the end of this year, he will have celebrated 19 more Thanksgivings, 19 more Christmases, and 19 more birthdays. That's 6,935 days more than [Albert Owens], Thsai-Shai Yang, Yen-I Yang and Yee Chen Lin were allowed to enjoy on this earth...
Lora Owens, Albert's stepmother, writes:
My name is Lora Owens. I am the stepmother of Albert Lewis Owens. My husband, Albert's father, has died so I also speak for him since we discussed this letter frequently over the years. I am writing you concerning clemency for Stanley "Tookie" Williams who murdered Albert in 1979 by shooting him twice in the back. Within seconds, though Albert pleaded for his life, Williams chose to become the judge, jury and executioner of Albert, then laughed as he lay dying. In 1981, Williams was tried, convicted and sentenced to death for the murders he committed in cold blood. Now the many, many years of appeals have also been denied and the facts remain steadfast and the verdict remains firm.
Now that the appeals have been denied, Williams has decided on a new tactic. A female friend has entered his life who happens to be a journalist who wants to write children's books against gangs. Since the defense of brain damage in his appeals did not gain him anything, Williams decided to become an articulate author denouncing gang activity. He doesn't assist the authorities in stopping gang activity by "debriefing" however, but concentrates on teaching primary school age children the "walk and talk" of gang life. This he claims will deter them from joining a gang.
The Nobel Peace Prize nominations, from the first to the last, have been made by activists who see an opportunity to further their personal cause.The first was quoted to have made the nomination to "raise the awareness of the death penalty to a higher degree". Totally nothing to do with Williams and whether he deserved the recognition but for a political agenda.
This has been true of each nomination since.
They have quoted that it doesn't matter what he has done in the past but what he is doing now.
I contend that he is not doing anything now to warrant any type of award and it definitely does matter what he has done in the past. It would matter to anyone whose child is dying in a pool of blood because Williams had the loaded gun and chose to shoot- not in self defense-but shot innocent, unarmed victims simply bcause he could.
Debra J. Saunders, who has followed the case for years, debunks the Tookie sympathizers' mythology:
The whole "redemption" line is a joke. As Williams' former prosecutor Robert Martin once told me, redemption requires an admission of guilt, facing up to what you did and expressing remorse. Williams has done none of the above, yet newspaper editorial pages (including The Chronicle's) and various do-gooders (including some Ninth U.S. Court of Appeals judges) have been pushing for the governor to grant Tookie clemency.
That would turn the whole concept of clemency on its ear.
Let me stipulate: While I support the death penalty, I can respect those who oppose it. But I can't respect those who lionize the most violent thugs as if they are prize sages. My advice to the anti-execution crowd -- and I have no doubt it will be ignored -- is to find some poor schlub who killed in a panic and doesn't belong on death row, and seek clemency for that person.
Don't put a cold-blooded killer on a pedestal. Don't denounce a government killing as barbaric while you laud a cold-blooded thug. And don't ask for clemency for a killer who won't fess up to his crimes.
Williams' co-author, Barbara Becnel, told the Los Angeles Times, "What Stan presents is hope that they, too, can change. He is worth far more to society alive than dead."
Wrong. He is worth more to society dead. The message from the Tookie-philes is that you can kill innocent people and be a star. An execution says you can kill innocent people and pay the price.
Which message will Gov. Schwarzenegger send?
Stay tuned.
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Here are the crime scene photos of the victims of the great Tookie Williams. Funny how the Hollyweird celebrities never mention these people during their protest marches.
The pics are kind of gruesome.
http://www.johnandkenshow.com/blogimages/tookievictim1adweb.jpg
http://www.johnandkenshow.com/blogimages/tookievictim2adweb.jpg
http://www.johnandkenshow.com/blogimages/tookievictim3adweb.jpg
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I wonder if a white guy who killed black gang members in some sort of viglante mission (but claimed innocence) was sentnced to die, but over the years while in jail had done great things to keep kids out of gangs, would these celebrities be on that guy's side?
I don't believe in the death penalty, so either way I'm against execution, but I'd never let this guy out of jail.
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I'm not bloodthirsty for the man's death like Adolf over here, but he took people's lives and sentenced to death. It should be carried through. I don't give a fuck if the nigga found a cure for cancer, he still took lives.
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I agree, I don't agree with the lethal injection though, he should be executed in front of a firing squad.
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lol at adolf,he shouldn't be excuted anyway he is gonna rot in jail,so it either kill him now and gain nothing or let him saty in jail do some good books and then die at the end.
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OK if any other thread I said I wanna see him killed I changed my mind, he'll still be incarcerated for the rest of his life so why not give him that for all the good he's worked for?
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OK if any other thread I said I wanna see him killed I changed my mind, he'll still be incarcerated for the rest of his life so why not give him that for all the good he's worked for?
All the good he has done? Man quit believing all that bullshit. He hasn't done shit. So he wrote a couple of books that very few people read.....big deal.
Tookie hasn't had any positive impact, his supporters are just saying that to save his ass. Fuck him he needs to die.
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OK if any other thread I said I wanna see him killed I changed my mind, he'll still be incarcerated for the rest of his life so why not give him that for all the good he's worked for?
All the good he has done? Man quit believing all that bullshit. He hasn't done shit. So he wrote a couple of books that very few people read.....big deal.
Tookie hasn't had any positive impact, his supporters are just saying that to save his ass. Fuck him he needs to die.
it ain't like he will be living in hawai he still in jail,
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why do you care so much? tired of hating yourself so you find someone new? I agree childrens books and anti gang "education" isnt the most effective, but why do u wanna see him DEAD if you don't know him or any of his victims?
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why do you care so much? tired of hating yourself so you find someone new? I agree childrens books and anti gang "education" isnt the most effective, but why do u wanna see him DEAD if you don't know him or any of his victims?
Because I think people who kill innocent human beings should face justice. And I am disgusted how people rally around and celebrate a cold blooded killer like this. Not only is he directly responsible for the deaths of 4 innocent people, but he is indirectly responsible for thousands of people who have died as a result of gang violence.
If this guy doesn't deserve to die then who does?
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the ACLU
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i don't believe he should be put to death, it's obvious, from what i've seen at least, that he's been rehabilitated. Putting him to death would do nothing but fuck up the justice system, it'd be sending the wrong message. however i'm NOT saying that we should not have a death penalty, i think the death penalty should be reserved for those crazy dude who commit numerous murders and are PROUD of it, i've heard stories from death row about dudes who sit there and say shit "i'm proud i killed a mother and her child, and if i'm ever released or escaped i'd kill YOUR wife and kids" those guys should be "put to sleep". but i don't think Tookie is in that extreme of a circumstance, grant him clemecy and let him do more possitive things behind the bars that he earned to be behind.
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i don't believe he should be put to death, it's obvious, from what i've seen at least, that he's been rehabilitated. Putting him to death would do nothing but fuck up the justice system, it'd be sending the wrong message. however i'm NOT saying that we should not have a death penalty, i think the death penalty should be reserved for those crazy dude who commit numerous murders and are PROUD of it, i've heard stories from death row about dudes who sit there and say shit "i'm proud i killed a mother and her child, and if i'm ever released or escaped i'd kill YOUR wife and kids" those guys should be "put to sleep". but i don't think Tookie is in that extreme of a circumstance, grant him clemecy and let him do more possitive things behind the bars that he earned to be behind.
How is he rehabilitated when he wont even accept admit that he was the killer and express remorse? How is he rehabilitated when he won't act as an informant and work with police to take down other gang members?
Don't fall for the act, man.
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I'm against the death penalty, but that's the only reason I believe he shouldnt be executed.
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If this guy doesn't deserve to die then who does?
you
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no he needs to stay alive and spend life in jail thats more of a punishment than death is nobody can ever doubt that
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death penalty - no
life sentence - yes
the man can have a positive affect on a lot of young people that others may not have
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It's very rare to give clemency. THe last time it was given was from regan. Even that alone was for a very special case.
I don't believe he will recieve clemency.
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He would most likely do good staying alive, but people arent asking for that. They want him free and that's fucked up.
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no he needs to stay alive and spend life in jail thats more of a punishment than death is nobody can ever doubt that
i think tookie would rather stay alive, like the majority of prisoners would... especially an 'og' like tookie, he'd have all his boys with him...
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I'm against the death penalty, but that's the only reason I believe he shouldnt be executed.
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I'm against the death penalty, but that's the only reason I believe he shouldnt be executed.
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After looking @ the case a little bit, it's my opinion they should fry the guy. Nothing takes back the way he committed those murders. He won't even admit to it. The guy is a cold heartless son of a bitch.
So he wrote some children's books. I'm sure the people he murdered would have loved to have the opportunity to write some children's books, but they can't because he fucking murdered them.
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If aronld grants him this clemency...his ass will be taken up to the gov't. The next election will be comming up for gov. position. So, he's gotta "look" good. haha
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Because he's still trying to prove his innocence, he cant just say hes guilty.
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i don't believe he should be put to death, it's obvious, from what i've seen at least, that he's been rehabilitated. Putting him to death would do nothing but fuck up the justice system, it'd be sending the wrong message. however i'm NOT saying that we should not have a death penalty, i think the death penalty should be reserved for those crazy dude who commit numerous murders and are PROUD of it, i've heard stories from death row about dudes who sit there and say shit "i'm proud i killed a mother and her child, and if i'm ever released or escaped i'd kill YOUR wife and kids" those guys should be "put to sleep". but i don't think Tookie is in that extreme of a circumstance, grant him clemecy and let him do more possitive things behind the bars that he earned to be behind.
How is he rehabilitated when he wont even accept admit that he was the killer and express remorse? How is he rehabilitated when he won't act as an informant and work with police to take down other gang members?
Don't fall for the act, man.
lol you don't get it do you....suburbian white people amaze me some times
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How is he rehabilitated when he wont even accept admit that he was the killer and express remorse? How is he rehabilitated when he won't act as an informant and work with police to take down other gang members?
Don't fall for the act, man.
Rehabilitated as in, he's now against the lifestyle he once led.
How do you know it's an act, anyway?
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After looking @ the case a little bit, it's my opinion they should fry the guy. Nothing takes back the way he committed those murders. He won't even admit to it. The guy is a cold heartless son of a bitch.
So he wrote some children's books. I'm sure the people he murdered would have loved to have the opportunity to write some children's books, but they can't because he fucking murdered them.
look i don't know if he committed the crimes or not but like i said earlier the death penalty should be reserved for people who do these type of things and sit there on death row 5 years 10 years 20 years down the line more vicious and brutal than ever before wanting to do these things again and agian....ask yourself this...do you HONESTLY think tookie is in that category? now i believe in our government and think that they had enough evidence to convict him of these crimes...but i think he earned his bars. at the end of the day he's still a man, still a human. he fucked up (apparently) now let him pay for it behind bars...don't terminate him like a rabid dog with rabbies
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I guess you the justice system is like, you can never take a chance to see if they will do positive again....cause then it wouldn't be fair to the other killers who "changed"..
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How is he rehabilitated when he wont even accept admit that he was the killer and express remorse? How is he rehabilitated when he won't act as an informant and work with police to take down other gang members?
Don't fall for the act, man.
Rehabilitated as in, he's now against the lifestyle he once led.
How do you know it's an act, anyway?
there's no way to tell that he's not acting...but he's obviously not going around killing inmates at the drop of a dime and being a menace, if he was a TRUE monster who had nother to live for wouldn't he be doing this....i mean it's not like he couldn't he's a HUGE mother fucker.
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I guess you the justice system is like, you can never take a chance to see if they will do positive again....cause then it wouldn't be fair to the other killers who "changed"..
huh?
to quote samuel l jackson in the great movie pulp fiction:
ENGLISH!
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There's no point in telling peopl like cwalker how it really is. They live in fear, and their paranoid. Why else would he be desperate for this guy to be put to death.
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i don't believe he should be put to death, it's obvious, from what i've seen at least, that he's been rehabilitated. Putting him to death would do nothing but fuck up the justice system, it'd be sending the wrong message. however i'm NOT saying that we should not have a death penalty, i think the death penalty should be reserved for those crazy dude who commit numerous murders and are PROUD of it, i've heard stories from death row about dudes who sit there and say shit "i'm proud i killed a mother and her child, and if i'm ever released or escaped i'd kill YOUR wife and kids" those guys should be "put to sleep". but i don't think Tookie is in that extreme of a circumstance, grant him clemecy and let him do more possitive things behind the bars that he earned to be behind.
How is he rehabilitated when he wont even accept admit that he was the killer and express remorse? How is he rehabilitated when he won't act as an informant and work with police to take down other gang members?
Don't fall for the act, man.
lol you don't get it do you....suburbian white people amaze me some times
Actually I think he's hit the nail on the head, if he's factually correct. Now Williams may be telling the truth and he may not have killed the victims and the guy that ratted him out was just trying to save his own ass. But if Williams really turned his life around and realized the evil of the streets then he shouldn't abide by the code of the street. If Williams has vital information that really help clean up the streets, even if it means ratting guys out then he should come forward with it. If not then he clearly is not rehabilitated. A habilitated member of our society does not aid criminals in any way. I understand the laws of the street and would hesistate to go against them, but not for everything. If I knew the culprits in a gang rape of an old lady, a child molestation, a cold blooded murder of a completely innocent person, or I knew my information could indefinately clean up the mess, I wouldn't think twice about it. Although I'd probably consider vigilanteism first, but then I wouldn't be a completely habilitated citizen.
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I guess you the justice system is like, you can never take a chance to see if they will do positive again....cause then it wouldn't be fair to the other killers who "changed"..
huh?
to quote samuel l jackson in the great movie pulp fiction:
ENGLISH!
Sorry, im tired as fuck.
I meant they still dont know for sure if he's actually "changed" and crap and if they let him out, it wouldn't be fair to all those other killers who said that they've changed inside of prison.
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It's not about letting the guy out though. He's still there for the rest of his life. The reason he has denied the crime is because he still wants to fight the case. It's not that hard to understand. Comments like "Fry" the guy or KILL HIM is pretty damn barbaric.
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After looking @ the case a little bit, it's my opinion they should fry the guy. Nothing takes back the way he committed those murders. He won't even admit to it. The guy is a cold heartless son of a bitch.
So he wrote some children's books. I'm sure the people he murdered would have loved to have the opportunity to write some children's books, but they can't because he fucking murdered them.
look i don't know if he committed the crimes or not but like i said earlier the death penalty should be reserved for people who do these type of things and sit there on death row 5 years 10 years 20 years down the line more vicious and brutal than ever before wanting to do these things again and agian....ask yourself this...do you HONESTLY think tookie is in that category? now i believe in our government and think that they had enough evidence to convict him of these crimes...but i think he earned his bars. at the end of the day he's still a man, still a human. he fucked up (apparently) now let him pay for it behind bars...don't terminate him like a rabid dog with rabbies
So, if he killed your sis and brothers...you gonna say, "oh, i'll..i'll forgive him...he has changed?"
Come on...deathrow didn't exist for no reason. They gave him 25 years(i think) to defend himself. What has he been doing? Writing books? Hey..
if this homie can do it...i guess governor should give the rest of the d.r inmate the same treatment if they all write books, right?
Look, clemency is very hard to get. Regan was the only one that gave clemency. Only him. Regardless if he's innocent or not...it's going to happen. I don't support death..but damn...4 victims...good gradious...their faces were like that terminator 2 guy, t-1000 dude. It was half split face with one victim. Either way, if he's innocent..he shouldn't be afraid of execution..he should be more worried about GOD.
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i was tryna keep up wit this case but been busy for past few dayz...is he bein executed or not anymore?
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If Williams has vital information that really help clean up the streets, even if it means ratting guys out then he should come forward with it. If not then he clearly is not rehabilitated. A
No, it means that he fears for his life. The reason he's not providing that kind of information is because doing so could get him killed. It's not like he's the only Crip at San Quentin..."Cox" Tequin from Rollin' 60 hood already tried to kill him years ago. If he gave away that kind of info, he'd be putting himself at risk.
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If Williams has vital information that really help clean up the streets, even if it means ratting guys out then he should come forward with it. If not then he clearly is not rehabilitated. A
No, it means that he fears for his life. The reason he's not providing that kind of information is because doing so could get him killed. It's not like he's the only Crip at San Quentin..."Cox" Tequin from Rollin' 60 hood already tried to kill him years ago. If he gave away that kind of info, he'd be putting himself at risk.
So if he gives the neccesary info, crips get mad and they kill him. If he dosn't, people don't think he is reabilitated, not doing enough and the state kills him. It's a lose, lose situation.
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[So if he gives the neccesary info, crips get mad and they kill him. If he dosn't, people don't think he is reabilitated, not doing enough and the state kills him. It's a lose, lose situation.
Well, that's why these people need to get over their idiocy and learn that not being a snitch doesn't mean he's not rehabilitated. You don't abide by the code of the streets because you WANT to...you do because you HAVE to.
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It's not about letting the guy out though. He's still there for the rest of his life. The reason he has denied the crime is because he still wants to fight the case. It's not that hard to understand. Comments like "Fry" the guy or KILL HIM is pretty damn barbaric.
Seriously man
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I dont understand all the hype behind his death sentence
he wrote a few books so what? damn yall krazy
death sentence should have been removed for all criminals charges & for every body...we are in 2k5 this is inhuman i believe but c'mon
u would let a dude like that free in the streets yall just crazy
murdering ppl is serious its not ur crack or weed typical bullshit
I don't even understand why such a celebrity like snoopy support him... it's beyond my understanding
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I dont understand all the hype behind his death sentence
he wrote a few books so what? damn yall krazy
death sentence should have been removed for all criminals charges & for every body...we are in 2k5 this is inhuman i believe but c'mon
u would let a dude like that free in the streets yall just crazy
murdering ppl is serious its not ur crack or weed typical bullshit
I don't even understand why such a celebrity like snoopy support him... it's beyond my understanding
Nobody is saying he should be on the streets. They're just saying he should spend life in jail instead of exacution.
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i don't believe he should be put to death, it's obvious, from what i've seen at least, that he's been rehabilitated. Putting him to death would do nothing but fuck up the justice system, it'd be sending the wrong message. however i'm NOT saying that we should not have a death penalty, i think the death penalty should be reserved for those crazy dude who commit numerous murders and are PROUD of it, i've heard stories from death row about dudes who sit there and say shit "i'm proud i killed a mother and her child, and if i'm ever released or escaped i'd kill YOUR wife and kids" those guys should be "put to sleep". but i don't think Tookie is in that extreme of a circumstance, grant him clemecy and let him do more possitive things behind the bars that he earned to be behind.
yeah exactully...the death penalty should be reserved for people who kill 10s of people and shit like that....
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FREE TOOKIE. (from death row atleast)
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If Williams has vital information that really help clean up the streets, even if it means ratting guys out then he should come forward with it. If not then he clearly is not rehabilitated. A
No, it means that he fears for his life. The reason he's not providing that kind of information is because doing so could get him killed. It's not like he's the only Crip at San Quentin..."Cox" Tequin from Rollin' 60 hood already tried to kill him years ago. If he gave away that kind of info, he'd be putting himself at risk.
Afraid of what? The fucking guy is on death row. It's not like he'll be let out if he rats and have to fend for himself on the streets. Plus there's always witness protection, Sammy the Bull Gravano ratted on John fucking Gotti and he went with out being killed.
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If hes innocent, FREE TOOKIE from Death Row, If hes guilt R.I.P.
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yeah exactully...the death penalty should be reserved for people who kill 10s of people and shit like that....
Tookie brutally murdered 4 innocent people, and thousands more have died from the gang violence that he helped create. He is pretty much the lowest of the low and it doesn't get much worse than him. I could give a damn how many stupid books he had written (books that nobody has even read).
And to answer Sikotic's question as to why I care whether he is executed or not, I care because I hate murrderers. And I really hate when left wing idiots rally to their defense and portray them as victims.
Why do you care about what I think?
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yeah exactully...the death penalty should be reserved for people who kill 10s of people and shit like that....
Tookie brutally murdered 4 innocent people, and thousands more have died from the gang violence that he helped create. He is pretty much the lowest of the low and it doesn't get much worse than him. I could give a damn how many stupid books he had written (books that nobody has even read).
And to answer Sikotic's question as to why I care whether he is executed or not, I care because I hate murrderers. And I really hate when left wing idiots rally to their defense and portray them as victims.
Why do you care about what I think?
like OMG its not only Liberals that are against the Death Penalty. CRAZY HUH?!
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yeah exactully...the death penalty should be reserved for people who kill 10s of people and shit like that....
Then my boy Charles Manson should be released. wuts everyones take on Scott Peterson then?
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The California Supreme Court Case People v. Anderson changed Charles Manson death sentence to life in prison.
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yeah exactully...the death penalty should be reserved for people who kill 10s of people and shit like that....
Tookie brutally murdered 4 innocent people, and thousands more have died from the gang violence that he helped create. He is pretty much the lowest of the low and it doesn't get much worse than him. I could give a damn how many stupid books he had written (books that nobody has even read).
I dunno, it depends on what your idea and perception of what are the worse crimes and criminals...IMO, people who should get death penalty are similar to to the likes of Timothy McVeih, Charles Manson, Ted Bundy, 911 hijackers, ect....we have thousands of people on death row in the US that have only killed 1 person and I got the death penalty.
Tookie killed 4 people personally and is responsible for the all gang violence in the US if you think about, so yeah maybe you are right, he does deserve to get get a Leath Injection...
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how the fuck can you say hes responsable for all gang violence... i mean .. i guess i want him dead too. but hes definitely not responsable for all gang violence, its not like hes the creator of gangs there were other gangs before... there as been other after ... he killed 4 ppl yes but even tho he started a gang or not that doesnt change anything, every gang member is as much involved as him. stop sayin hes responsible for everything.
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Very true about the gang violence, JPM. Also, i bet you no active crip gang member even knows Tookie williams lol
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how the fuck can you say hes responsable for all gang violence... i mean .. i guess i want him dead too. but hes definitely not responsable for all gang violence, its not like hes the creator of gangs there were other gangs before... there as been other after ... he killed 4 ppl yes but even tho he started a gang or not that doesnt change anything, every gang member is as much involved as him. stop sayin hes responsible for everything.
He created the Crips which resulted in the Bloods and now its all over the country with hunderds of different sets and lil kids thinking they cool reping them and real muthaphuckas killin people....Thousands of people have died over gang relatated shit made by him....The only good think he has done is influence Gangsta Rap but then that resulted in people thinking there gangstas and shitty rappers...
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"He created the Crips which resulted in the Bloods" ............... NO
ah whatever if you dont get it with my original post youre in the stupid motherfuckers category
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Plus thats not a crime hes being put to death for. The "main" founder fo the Crips is dead.
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http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/executions.php
Check out the discrepancy between the number of black people being executed for commiting a crime against a white person(s) and vice versa.
Fuck the death penalty! >:(
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http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/executions.php
Check out the discrepancy between the number of black people being executed for commiting a crime against a white person(s) and vice versa.
Fuck the death penalty! >:(
White people rarely kill black people.
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how the fuck can you say hes responsable for all gang violence... i mean .. i guess i want him dead too. but hes definitely not responsable for all gang violence, its not like hes the creator of gangs there were other gangs before... there as been other after ... he killed 4 ppl yes but even tho he started a gang or not that doesnt change anything, every gang member is as much involved as him. stop sayin hes responsible for everything.
He created the Crips which resulted in the Bloods and now its all over the country with hunderds of different sets and lil kids thinking they cool reping them and real muthaphuckas killin people....Thousands of people have died over gang relatated shit made by him....The only good think he has done is influence Gangsta Rap but then that resulted in people thinking there gangstas and shitty rappers...
He meant that it's not on Tookie, he made the gang yes, but the people who are in them and killing is their choice...it's not his fault they are doing stupid shit
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Afraid of what? The fucking guy is on death row. It's not like he'll be let out if he rats and have to fend for himself on the streets. Plus there's always witness protection, Sammy the Bull Gravano ratted on John fucking Gotti and he went with out being killed.
As I've said before, people have tried to kill him even on death row, so yes, he will have to fend for himself (not on the streets, but certainly in the showers or whatnot). Has he been offered protection, anyway?
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Afraid of what? The fucking guy is on death row. It's not like he'll be let out if he rats and have to fend for himself on the streets. Plus there's always witness protection, Sammy the Bull Gravano ratted on John fucking Gotti and he went with out being killed.
As I've said before, people have tried to kill him even on death row, so yes, he will have to fend for himself (not on the streets, but certainly in the showers or whatnot). Has he been offered protection, anyway?
My point is that he's dead anyway. And if he has valid info then the'd get protection.
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who are we as humans to decide if this man should die or not??? but then again he did murder 4 people so it's hard to say and be placed into the shoes of the victims' families
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Afraid of what? The fucking guy is on death row. It's not like he'll be let out if he rats and have to fend for himself on the streets. Plus there's always witness protection, Sammy the Bull Gravano ratted on John fucking Gotti and he went with out being killed.
As I've said before, people have tried to kill him even on death row, so yes, he will have to fend for himself (not on the streets, but certainly in the showers or whatnot). Has he been offered protection, anyway?
you know he ain't gonna snitch.
My point is that he's dead anyway. And if he has valid info then the'd get protection.
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My point is that he's dead anyway. And if he has valid info then the'd get protection.
What kind of protection can they offer him in San Quentin, anyway? Witness protection doesn't work that way.
And yeah, you're right he's dead anyway, but perhaps he'd prefer to exhaust his other options first (i.e. see if he can get clemency) before resorting to snitching.
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My point is that he's dead anyway. And if he has valid info then the'd get protection.
What kind of protection can they offer him in San Quentin, anyway? Witness protection doesn't work that way.
And yeah, you're right he's dead anyway, but perhaps he'd prefer to exhaust his other options first (i.e. see if he can get clemency) before resorting to snitching.
It's not "resorting" it's doing what he can to clean up the streets. He's claimed many times that he is not afraid to die. If I were on death row and had info that could make a huge impact on cleaning the streets (if he has that info) then I would "snitch" in a heart beat. And they have special cells and could even relocate him. You know how many guys would like to get their hands on someone like Charles Manson? He's been protected.
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My point is that he's dead anyway. And if he has valid info then the'd get protection.
What kind of protection can they offer him in San Quentin, anyway? Witness protection doesn't work that way.
And yeah, you're right he's dead anyway, but perhaps he'd prefer to exhaust his other options first (i.e. see if he can get clemency) before resorting to snitching.
It's not "resorting" it's doing what he can to clean up the streets. He's claimed many times that he is not afraid to die. If I were on death row and had info that could make a huge impact on cleaning the streets (if he has that info) then I would "snitch" in a heart beat. And they have special cells and could even relocate him. You know how many guys would like to get their hands on someone like Charles Manson? He's been protected.
The reason Tookie won't snitch is because he would lose his credibillity with the youth and wouldnt be able to broker peace treatys with the gangs.
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http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/executions.php
Check out the discrepancy between the number of black people being executed for commiting a crime against a white person(s) and vice versa.
Fuck the death penalty! >:(
White people rarely kill black people.
If America was all Black and you were on trial with a Black Judge, a Black jury, because the black prosucutor got all white people kicked off of the jury panel, and the prosucutor was using racially charged language in your trial, and he promoted the fact that you are a part of some nazi hate group in the trial (just an example), and the person whos fingerprints are on the weapon used was lying and said you did it to save his own ass, but you are innocent. I think you would be a little more critical of the Justice system.
If they are punishing Tookie for starting the Crips, then they need to come right out and try and charge him for that and CUT THE BULLSHIT
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i don't believe he should be put to death, it's obvious, from what i've seen at least, that he's been rehabilitated. Putting him to death would do nothing but fuck up the justice system, it'd be sending the wrong message. however i'm NOT saying that we should not have a death penalty, i think the death penalty should be reserved for those crazy dude who commit numerous murders and are PROUD of it, i've heard stories from death row about dudes who sit there and say shit "i'm proud i killed a mother and her child, and if i'm ever released or escaped i'd kill YOUR wife and kids" those guys should be "put to sleep". but i don't think Tookie is in that extreme of a circumstance, grant him clemecy and let him do more possitive things behind the bars that he earned to be behind.
How is he rehabilitated when he wont even accept admit that he was the killer and express remorse? How is he rehabilitated when he won't act as an informant and work with police to take down other gang members?
Don't fall for the act, man.
"wont accept admit that he was the killer"
Rehabilitate Bush.
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My point is that he's dead anyway. And if he has valid info then the'd get protection.
What kind of protection can they offer him in San Quentin, anyway? Witness protection doesn't work that way.
And yeah, you're right he's dead anyway, but perhaps he'd prefer to exhaust his other options first (i.e. see if he can get clemency) before resorting to snitching.
It's not "resorting" it's doing what he can to clean up the streets. He's claimed many times that he is not afraid to die. If I were on death row and had info that could make a huge impact on cleaning the streets (if he has that info) then I would "snitch" in a heart beat. And they have special cells and could even relocate him. You know how many guys would like to get their hands on someone like Charles Manson? He's been protected.
The reason Tookie won't snitch is because he would lose his credibillity with the youth and wouldnt be able to broker peace treatys with the gangs.
Is that what he does? If so I guess it depends on what would help the streets more, putting most of the big gang members in jail or keep peace between some of them (if he has the info).
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California justices reject Williams' appeal
Governor to decide on clemency request
SACRAMENTO, California (CNN) -- California's Supreme Court late Sunday rejected an emergency request to stay the execution of convicted killer Stanley Tookie Williams, who is scheduled to be put to death early Tuesday.
Jonathan Harris, an attorney for Williams, confirmed the court's decision.
Williams' team of attorneys had asked the state Supreme Court for a stay to allow for new arguments to be presented.
Earlier Sunday, attorney Verna Wefald said the legal team was asking for a stay on the basis that Williams should have been allowed to argue that someone else killed one of the four people he was convicted of slaying.
Williams also is awaiting California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger's decision on clemency, which would commute his death sentence to life in prison without the possibility of parole. Schwarzenegger's office said the decision would not come before Monday.
On Friday, the governor described his looming decision as "a very heavy responsibility."
Williams -- who would turn 52 on December 29 -- is to die by lethal injection.
He co-founded the Crips street gang in Los Angeles and was convicted of killing four people in 1979, but has become an anti-gang crusader while on death row.
He has denounced gang violence and written children's books with an anti-gang message, donating the proceeds to anti-gang community groups. He said he was trying to prevent young people from making the choices he did, which led to a life of crime and a sentence at San Quentin State Prison.
Celebrities, teachers and anti-death-penalty advocates have spoken on his behalf.
Prosecutors maintain Williams should die for what lead prosecutor John Monaghan called "extremely brutal crimes." Monaghan noted that despite his anti-gang activism, Williams has consistently refused to take part in a debriefing with authorities to provide them potentially valuable information about the Crips gangs.
Williams was convicted of killing a 26-year-old Los Angeles convenience store clerk in February 1979, shooting him twice in the back with a 12-gauge shotgun while the victim was face down on the floor.
Less than two weeks later, jurors concluded, he shot and killed an immigrant Chinese couple and their 41-year-old daughter while stealing less than $100 cash from their motel.
Both cases were handled in a single trial, and Williams was sentenced to death in 1981.
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Am I the only who doesn't get the concept how writing children's books should give you strong benefits law-wise?
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Am I the only who doesn't get the concept how writing children's books should give you strong benefits law-wise?
At least if the Governor awards Williams of clemency it will be for a somewhat just reason. Unlike how President's are able to pardon criminals that dont even come close to deserving it.
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i believe the decision has been made//..at least with 9th circuit court.
it's most likely arnold will go with the court.
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Stanley "Tookie" Williams needs to be executed, so does anyone who is a gangsta rapper talking about killing people listens to gangsta rap ::)
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Stanley "Tookie" Williams needs to be executed, so does anyone who is a gangsta rapper talking about killing people listens to gangsta rap ::)
huh?
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Stanley "Tookie" Williams needs to be executed, so does anyone who is a gangsta rapper talking about killing people listens to gangsta rap ::)
huh?
He's pissed off at people buying records of murderers while at the same time hating on convicted murderers or something like that.
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Dont start with that shit. Rap is entertainment, it's music. It's no different than watching a muthafuckin movie. Fact of the matter is nobody dies in the song or movie.
I can't believe some of you motherfuckers got the nerve to use that defense. I really thought people weren't that stupid.
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but he's dead now right?
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He'll be executed tomorrow at 12 noon.
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He'll be executed tomorrow at 12 noon.
u mean morning.
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Yeah? My bad then.
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less than 5 hours left!!
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the man's dead...what's left to say?