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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: PLANT on May 13, 2011, 07:23:30 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/v/BU2N0q6iSHk
http://www.youtube.com/v/_XSwNezQhzE
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game 6 was not the first time he delivered in a clutch moment.
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Lebron isn't a great clutch player, but then neither is you know who. Neither of these guy are MJ, but ya, Lebron has definitely had some great moments in the playoffs.
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^^^^^ Both don't have a good % when it comes to "game winning" shots , Kobe has 27 winning shots in his carreer , Lebron 12 ( RR + playoffs) ... of course the lenght of their carreer has to be taken into consideration ... and even if Kobe is a better clutch player , to be fair I think Lebron is never labeled as clutch because people just don't remember his clutch shots cause a lot of them are baskets at the rim ... while Kobe's are long jumpers , some being very tough or impossible ... clutch shots have something to do with being magic , building legends and nobody will remember GW layups .. even if there is nothing wrong ( of course it's the contrary) to go for a much higher % shot in the clutch ... "easy" baskets are not in the people perception of what a clutch basket is ... it's dumb but it is what it is
If you ask any B-Ball fans to give you a Lebron clutch shot , they will answer the three against the Magic , because it's a long tough jumper even if the Cavs ended up losing the series ... very few to none will answer the go ahead basket at the rim he had in Game 5 against the Pistons .. which led the team in the Finals
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^Yeah man, that nigga who gets paid to hate, Skip Bayless, was arguing how LeBron doesn't have clutch shots in the playoffs throughout his career or some retarded shit like that, then that nigga Broussard was naming some of them, then Bayless said "those were lay-ups" as in implying that shit don't count. Some whack thinking, hater shit. How anybody would prefer Durant taking a 3 (even though you only need 2 points to win) 4 feet behind the 3 pt line over LeBron going to the rim, when going to the rim is much smarter because it's far more likely to account for points, is retarded. Even a random faggot can take shots far behind the 3 pt line nigga. Of course he'd miss, but he can take it, just like a fag can take it in the ass. Going to the rim without getting shitted on is MUCH harder, but IF you are able to do, it's the much smarter shot to take.
Either way, LeBron beating the then almighty Pistons all by himself in that 4th quarter is my favorite scoring performance by him so far.
One last thing: When niggas say how many clutch shots Kobe made throughout his career, they should also look out for how many he missed. That nigga just gonna shoot the ball no matter what. He has no conscience. He's gonna shoot, he doesn't care. Sometimes for the better, sometimes not. He said it himself. He said Bynum has to be kept in line because he's gonna shoot the fucking ball no matter what. He said it.
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the pb I have with Kobe is not him shooting the ball a lot in the clutch... it's the kind of shots he has taken , i.e not looking for the best shot available when you have time to draw a play ... it has been better lately (even if this year the results haven't been good) but how many times I've watched closed games in the past where it's give the ball to Kobe anywhere on the floor and will see what happened .... SMH ... and the first to blame is Phil , DRAW A FUCKIN PLAY ... then Kobe for not hitting his sweet spots and shooting over triple teams
Efficient wise , Dirk is the best closer out there , he has a history of being clutch but has been unfairly labeled as a choker... whereas his teammates were the chokers most of the time
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and lol at Skip Bayless... he will discredit any player compared to his darling MJ as much as he can ... even if it doesn't make any sense ... for some reasons I find him funny but he's a tool who is just hating ... like Chuck
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lol @ creating legacies. I thought the only legacy-thing to do was win? That's all Kobe had to do. Now LeBron is nearly guarenteed to win won soon & he still isn't as good because he takes layups? I'd rather win on a fingerroll 95% of the time, then win on a three 40% of the time.
Anyway, is there a Youtube video of all the last second shots LeBron wisely passed up because one of his teammates were wide open?
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Bottom line is Kobe has not been clutch the last two playoffs, but did hit a shitload of game winners two regular seasons ago.
Bottom line is Bron has had some nice clutch moments in the playoffs, including closing out the Celtics on a 10-0 run himself, the Detroit game, and the ORL winner.
Kobe isn't as clutch as he is made out to be, Bron isn't as un-clutch as he is made out to be. ANd neither touched MJ (no Bayless)
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and here are some clutch Kobe moments
http://www.youtube.com/v/r-5MXgEcL74&playnext=1&list=PL5A02B3C19CA671FEp
LMAO@overrated
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oh....u thought it ended there?
http://www.youtube.com/v/eKDyV404HXs
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damn...after checkin the youtube vids, kobe is even more clutch then i originally thought. those two videos posted didn't even include the 09-10 season, where kobe hit like 8 game winning shots or some shit..... :o
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TOP 5 Clutch players in NBA history (in no order)
Larry Bird
Kobe Bryant
Michael Jordan
Reggie Miller
Jerry West
Not really sure how this list can be debated.
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Being clutch isn't real.
I can agree in some cases, players of any sport can crumble under pressure. But you can't physically improve your play under pressure.
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Being clutch isn't real.
I can agree in some cases, players of any sport can crumble under pressure. But you can't physically improve your play under pressure.
Incorrect
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Being clutch isn't real.
I can agree in some cases, players of any sport can crumble under pressure. But you can't physically improve your play under pressure.
That's correct.
Derek Jeter, for example, is the most overrated "clutch" player in sports.
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Being clutch isn't real.
I can agree in some cases, players of any sport can crumble under pressure. But you can't physically improve your play under pressure.
That's correct.
Derek Jeter, for example, is the most overrated "clutch" player in sports.
UH, 1 correct example from 1 player does not make that assertion true lol.
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Being clutch isn't real.
I can agree in some cases, players of any sport can crumble under pressure. But you can't physically improve your play under pressure.
That's correct.
Derek Jeter, for example, is the most overrated "clutch" player in sports.
UH, 1 correct example from 1 player does not make that assertion true lol.
From the players you listed of top 5 clutch players, can you show me how they've improved their overall season/career numbers in clutch situations.
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LOL@no such thing as clutch. smh.
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LOL@no such thing as clutch. smh.
"Clutch": 4th quarter or overtime, less than 5 minutes left, neither team ahead by more than 5 points
Kobe Bryant's stats
2010-11' Stats
Season FG%: 45.1
"Clutch": 40.2
2009-10 Stats
Season FG%: 45.6
"Clutch": 44.4
2008-2009 Stats
Season FG%: 46.7
"Clutch": 45.7
2007-2008 Stats
Season FG%: 45.9%
"Clutch": 44.8%
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LOL@no such thing as clutch. smh.
"Clutch": 4th quarter or overtime, less than 5 minutes left, neither team ahead by more than 5 points
Kobe Bryant's stats
2010-11' Stats
Season FG%: 45.1
"Clutch": 40.2
2009-10 Stats
Season FG%: 45.6
"Clutch": 44.4
2008-2009 Stats
Season FG%: 46.7
"Clutch": 45.7
2007-2008 Stats
Season FG%: 45.9%
"Clutch": 44.8%
clutch is not defined by stats lmao....it has a lot to do with a willingness to carry your team on your back down the stretch. some players are less willing than others, hence having less clutch moments under their belt.
anyways...u used to be a big laker fan, javier. i always wondered what happened? were u just a shaq fan and couldn't handle the departure? what is it that caused u 2 sell out?
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I would hope that player makes the absolute best decision out there on the court, at all times. From the very first second to the very last second of every game. There are players out there that are considered to be guys that "do not want" the ball yet, they still produce very good in the final 5 minutes of a close game. Since this topic is on Lebron James, let me put these stats up.
These are Per 48 "Clutch Stats"
Lebron James
45.1 PTS
11.2 RBS
4.9 AST
FG% 43.6 vs Regular Season: 51%
And here's Wade, who these so called experts in the media claim that he should be to go to guy or is the go to guy has these numbers
Wade
33.4 PTS
7.6 RBS
3.0 AST
FG% 39.7, Regular Season: 50%
Not really into basketball that much anymore, it has nothing to do with Shaq. I was losing interest in that year where they were going for the 4th title in a row. I didn't really have time to be investing so much into basketball at that time, while stile paying alot of attention to baseball and other sports and school/work. Nowadays, if the Lakers are there I would sure like them to win for the sake of the city and history but I'm not out there sporting jerseys rooting on this team hard or keeping up with every game. And I do pay more attention to the sport come playoff time, but that's how I am with all the other sports I'm interested in as well.
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UH, 1 correct example from 1 player does not make that assertion true lol.
Javier posted another one. I'm not going to dig right now to find any real proof, I'm watching my Giants bet go up in flames right now. >:(
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Guys like NIK call ESPN "BSPN", yet judge "clutch" off of the highlights they play.
But like I've been saying for a while, he'll tell you Kobe is the best because of heart, clutchness & leadership; all subjective intangibles. He'll also tell who whose more attractive than who & whose ass he can fuck up based off shit talking. NIK can only speak on that which is unprovable.
Like Javier's stats on Kobe show, he shoots the same percentage (technically worse) in the clutch. The difference is, he's taken like 80 last second shots in his life, the law of averages says he has to hit one. I've seen Tim Duncan hit a game tying three lol.
As for the comment on Jeter. He is my childhood hero, favorite player ever & obviously calling him clutch is a weak argument. When I was younger I used to buy into that, but undeniable statistics show otherwise.
If "clutch" was real, players would shoot 30%-40% higher than their average or hit .300-.400 points higher on their batting average.
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Being clutch isn't real.
I can agree in some cases, players of any sport can crumble under pressure. But you can't physically improve your play under pressure.
hell no i beg to differ, i mean when i play ball its obviously no where near the professional level, but man theres times when ur down by ALOT and u just some how make 4-5 long range j's in a row some contested, and some u really shouldnt even be taking the shot and it goes in and you win the game. and ive done it plenty of times when my teams down or just isnt producing.
there was another time where were playin and everybody kept missing and we had point and i juz ran baseline and shot really contested (pretty much a bad shot) over the back board and for the win.
u can call it luck but when the pressure is on i love it, i embrace it its the best feeling especially after u win. i doubt if i did the same thing but we were up the out come wouldnt be the same.
but imo there is a such thing as clutch.
yea stats do say something, but im not a stat believer because stats never really tell the whole story. i can careless about the "stats" dudes been one of the best for quite a while and im sure those last second potential game winning shots arnt given to him.
but he came through again and again when it really ment the most, if it didnt we wouldnt have so many kobe highlights and such. the guy seriously wills the ball into the basket.
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Kobe's an amazing player in the first half as he is in the second half. The point is that he's an amazing player. The reason there's so many highlights because he's been in the NBA for 15 years and basically has been playing at a high level all of his career. If you openly say that you don't care about stats, then there is no point debating anymore. One side has proof while the other has personal stories and selective memory.
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The truth about Kobe Bryant in crunch time: http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/24200/the-truth-about-kobe-bryant-in-crunch-time
Another take on Kobe Bryant's relative clutchness: http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Another-take-on-Kobe-Bryant-s-relative-clutchnes?urn=nba-313919
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The truth about Kobe Bryant in crunch time: http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/24200/the-truth-about-kobe-bryant-in-crunch-time
Another take on Kobe Bryant's relative clutchness: http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Another-take-on-Kobe-Bryant-s-relative-clutchnes?urn=nba-313919
Here's another one
http://www.82games.com/gamewinningshots.htm
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as much as i love the lakers, kobe bryant is not a clutch player and its been scientifically proven. hes average when it comes to clutch but will make 2 out of 3 shots in clutch
fuck lebrick and the miami queefs
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No players are CLUTCH as in automatic; Kobe has had many clutch moments, and I disagree with Cham that someone can't be clutch. However, Kobe isn't as clutch as his rep, and Lebron isn't as unclutch as his rep.
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No players are CLUTCH as in automatic; Kobe has had many clutch moments, and I disagree with Cham that someone can't be clutch. However, Kobe isn't as clutch as his rep, and Lebron isn't as unclutch as his rep.
when has lebron been clutch? and im talking about when it counts to get home court, possible future match ups with veteran teams in the regular seasons and making a statement,
and of course the playoffs,
yea he got that what? game winner against orlando and lost the series.
man kobe does so much more than those highlights, he brings the tempo and even many other games he puts it down on the stretch and its over looked always because it was a blow out or something of that sort.
and this lost this post season, every game he basically made 6-10 points down the stretch and NOBODY CAN PRODUCE AFTER THAT? imo bynum should of got the more PT cuz it was obvious he was hungry
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No players are CLUTCH as in automatic; Kobe has had many clutch moments, and I disagree with Cham that someone can't be clutch. However, Kobe isn't as clutch as his rep, and Lebron isn't as unclutch as his rep.
when has lebron been clutch? and im talking about when it counts to get home court, possible future match ups with veteran teams in the regular seasons and making a statement,
and of course the playoffs,
yea he got that what? game winner against orlando and lost the series.
man kobe does so much more than those highlights, he brings the tempo and even many other games he puts it down on the stretch and its over looked always because it was a blow out or something of that sort.
and this lost this post season, every game he basically made 6-10 points down the stretch and NOBODY CAN PRODUCE AFTER THAT? imo bynum should of got the more PT cuz it was obvious he was hungry
This is all based on your memory.
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When he missed the game winner vs. Mavs you all just turned & said, "He's hit so many, he's gotta miss some". All selective memory.
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No players are CLUTCH as in automatic; Kobe has had many clutch moments, and I disagree with Cham that someone can't be clutch. However, Kobe isn't as clutch as his rep, and Lebron isn't as unclutch as his rep.
That's basically it. If you just look at statistics, hardly any player (and no stars) are as good in crunch time as they are overall. The problem is any extra effort put in is usually negated by the fact that the defense against you is also stepping it up. Especially if you're the star player.
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The only true thing about it is, that there are indeed niggas who is scurred and nervous n shit and fuck shit up. Then there's also niggas with a god complex who always want to be the hero and do crazy things because of it and fuck shit up. But noone performs better because it's important, unless he a lazy nigga who is coastin' normally, ya dig?
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^lol...i love how you talk like e40 from germany
anyways...jordan missed many, MANY clutch shots throughout his career, but also unfairly gets labeled a "God"...in fact, anyone remember Jordan's commercial where he says he missed 29 game winners or some other shit like that? Jordan=most overrated of all time, but that goes without sayin.
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anyways...jordan missed many, MANY clutch shots throughout his career, but also unfairly gets labeled a "God"...in fact, anyone remember Jordan's commercial where he says he missed 29 game winners or some other shit like that? Jordan=most overrated of all time, but that goes without sayin.
Every person that is more statistical oriented would also dismiss Jordan as a clutch "God" unless there is overwhelming proof that he did. There isn't for current players, so I doubt there was some for when Jordan was around.
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^lol...i love how you talk like e40 from germany
anyways...jordan missed many, MANY clutch shots throughout his career, but also unfairly gets labeled a "God"...in fact, anyone remember Jordan's commercial where he says he missed 29 game winners or some other shit like that? Jordan=most overrated of all time, but that goes without sayin.
you do realize I do it for personal fun, not because I think it gives me the rep of a black gangsta, right?
Jordan was a hero in the past and the past's heroes always get glorified, especially if they even were glorified during their present. he still was a real nigga, though. also an ass. still is.
it's normal to miss a lot of shots. every basketball player does. when you take a lot of game winners, you will miss many game winners. you will also make many. it's really not that exciting. dirk has had a lot of clutch plays during the regular season throughout the last years, and is statistically one of the best clutch performers. yet everybody labels him a choker, because he missed that FT against the Heat and sucked ass against golden state in 2007. now that his team is finally winning, people call him one of the best 25 nba players of all time and the greatest white player since bird. it is what it is. he's been this good for years, it's just that nobody cared and now they do because the mavs swept the lakers and shit.
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^lol...i love how you talk like e40 from germany
anyways...jordan missed many, MANY clutch shots throughout his career, but also unfairly gets labeled a "God"...in fact, anyone remember Jordan's commercial where he says he missed 29 game winners or some other shit like that? Jordan=most overrated of all time, but that goes without sayin.
Mj missed a lot but had so many great clutch moments; dude really was a killer and 6 MVPs in six finals, including a chip winning shit attest to that. It's like I said, Kobe ain't as clutch as he's said to be, and Jordan likely wasn't either. But he's still ahead of Kobe, and kobes recent showing in the playoffs show that
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Was Loon3y watching this years playoffs? Th second round? The all important game three? The elimination game?
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^lol...i love how you talk like e40 from germany
anyways...jordan missed many, MANY clutch shots throughout his career, but also unfairly gets labeled a "God"...in fact, anyone remember Jordan's commercial where he says he missed 29 game winners or some other shit like that? Jordan=most overrated of all time, but that goes without sayin.
Mj missed a lot but had so many great clutch moments; dude really was a killer and 6 MVPs in six finals, including a chip winning shit attest to that. It's like I said, Kobe ain't as clutch as he's said to be, and Jordan likely wasn't either. But he's still ahead of Kobe, and kobes recent showing in the playoffs show that
actually, kobe was the only player on the lakers who performed well and played his part in the dallas series...it is not as easy 2 be clutch when u have no help. one missed 3 to win the game doesn't take away from his clutchness, when he was the only good player on the floor for the lakers all game long. like u guys said, u miss some, u make some, but how many u make and how many u miss is NOT the way to define clutchness...
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^Since how many you make or miss doesn't matter, in my opinion Shawn Bradley is the most clutch player in NBA history. He just has that look, has the heart & I'm declaring him the clutchest of them all.
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it is not as easy 2 be clutch when u have no help.
LOL, hahahahahaha LOL.
Tell me about it, man. When you got streaky shooters like Mo Williams & chuckers like Donyell Marshall, it's tough to be clutch.
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Was Loon3y watching this years playoffs? Th second round? The all important game three? The elimination game?
yes i was begging for either game 3 or 4 where kobe just shoots every possesion because they others weren't cutting it. kobe scores 3-5 fgs down the stretch passes it to ron artest fucks it up and were down by 15, same think if gasol was in artests position.
or they should of adjusted to a kobe/bynum tandem, because they were the only ones producing
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it is not as easy 2 be clutch when u have no help.
LOL, hahahahahaha LOL.
Tell me about it, man. When you got streaky shooters like Mo Williams & chuckers like Donyell Marshall, it's tough to be clutch.
u cant use that excuse 9 years straight LOL
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Bron Bron was cluuuutch 5 important points chuuuch
2 more FGs by Bronnie, dagger, he closed the game.
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Bron Bron was cluuuutch 5 important points chuuuch
2 more FGs by Bronnie, dagger, he closed the game.
Five? More like nine lol.
But na, this isn't clutch. He didn't hit a game winning shot. You can't make a Youtube highlight reel off of these shots.
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Cham, I thought clutch didn't exist ;)
Nice finish by Lebron...
BUt damn is the Heat offense stagnant. Great defense, but shit offense. If the Heat win this year, the rest of the league better run cuz they are only gonna be better next year.
I'm not really sure they have what it takes to beat the Bulls, but I thought HAslem really came through tonight
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^I'm speaking in terms of NIK where clutch exists lol.
LeBron dominated the end of that game. 8)
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^lol...i love how you talk like e40 from germany
anyways...jordan missed many, MANY clutch shots throughout his career, but also unfairly gets labeled a "God"...in fact, anyone remember Jordan's commercial where he says he missed 29 game winners or some other shit like that? Jordan=most overrated of all time, but that goes without sayin.
LMAO. Please get off Kobe's nuts and face it that your LA Fakers got crushed like rookies - take it like a man and stop with this BS.
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^lol...i love how you talk like e40 from germany
anyways...jordan missed many, MANY clutch shots throughout his career, but also unfairly gets labeled a "God"...in fact, anyone remember Jordan's commercial where he says he missed 29 game winners or some other shit like that? Jordan=most overrated of all time, but that goes without sayin.
LMAO. Please get off Kobe's nuts and face it that your LA Fakers got crushed like rookies - take it like a man and stop with this BS.
wtf u talkin about? we goin to the finals, baby!
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Bron 3-5 in clutch mjns last night; great defense. Dude has been nothing but clutch in these playoffs, especially last two rounds.
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LeBron and Dirk, easily the best clutch performers of playoffs. Kobe, not so clutch. Couldnt get it done. Admit it, NIK.
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lebronzes a lil bitch
8)
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^^^ Bron with two three's, a jumper a steal, and a block in last two minutes. Anything else?
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^LOL
I wonder what kills certain people more... Lakers being swept or LeBron clearly being the best player in the NBA? :D
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I've always ragged on LeBron for not coming through in the clutch but he's been huge in these playoffs so as a true LeBron hater I gotta give the guy props.
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He's playing like A-Rod when the Yanks won a few seasons back. Unreal. 8)
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He's playing like A-Rod when the Yanks won a few seasons back. Unreal. 8)
Another player who was questioned about his clutch factor lol
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He's playing like A-Rod when the Yanks won a few seasons back. Unreal. 8)
Another player who was questioned about his clutch factor lol
Then they show up & it's "luck". Haters gon' hate.
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^^^^ you can't hate on Lebron ... Nike will call you and ask you to stop hating ... LMFAO
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I heard a stat that Derrick Rose shot 6% from the field when Lebron was guarding him. LOL. Wtf. 6%?? For the league MVP. Ridiculous defense.
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I've always ragged on LeBron for not coming through in the clutch but he's been huge in these playoffs so as a true LeBron hater I gotta give the guy props.
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I heard a stat that Derrick Rose shot 6% from the field when Lebron was guarding him. LOL. Wtf. 6%?? For the league MVP. Ridiculous defense.
Not surprised ... Lebron is significantly stronger and taller than him ... Rose is quicker but not enough to completely blow past James ... the only way Rose could score on him is by stopping and pulling up off the dribble for a J but he doesn't have it in his arsenal ... and the difference of size still would make it hard for Rose
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Because LeBron is the best defender in basketball when he wants to be.
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I've always ragged on LeBron for not coming through in the clutch but he's been huge in these playoffs so as a true LeBron hater I gotta give the guy props.
Don't hate the hate.
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Neither Lebron or Wade had to take over the game, but both were very good in the clutch.
Anyone else noticing how fluid Bron's jumper is looking? Its not so mechanical anymore, and when it leaves his hands you just know its going in. He's in a major rhythm on his three's right now.
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clutch
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He really has been very good in the clutch these playoffs, but Bron Was not so clutch last night; those off balance threes looking like Kobe Bryant at the end of the shot clock are not exactly a good idea. Bron not driving enough these first two games. Damn, dirk killed it in the clutch last night though.
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^Yeah, they both really reminded me of Kobe Bryant during the last minutes of Game 2. Hope we see more Kobe Bryant moments from LeBron and Wade during these Finals.
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LOL way to blow a lead in the last mins of the 4th quarter
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Because LeBron is the best defender in basketball when he wants to be.
:laugh:
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^He's not?
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^Yeah, they both really reminded me of Kobe Bryant during the last minutes of Game 2. Hope we see more Kobe Bryant moments from LeBron and Wade during these Finals.
yea, only Kobe wasn't pulling any of this shit back when he was on young legs and as hungry as lebron is currently supposed to be, lmao......whats lebrons excuse? sore elbow??
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^He's not?
lebron is not even as good as josh smith on defense
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^He's not?
He has his moments, but if it wasn't for his size/athleticism he'd be an average defensive player.
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^He's not?
He has his moments, but if it wasn't for his size/athleticism he'd be an average defensive player.
That is the oddest statement ever. It's like saying, "Shaq wouldn't have been so dominant of he wasn't so huge" or "Usain Bolt is fast, but it's only because he's so athletic" or "Steve Nash is a great passer, but its only because of his vision"....people say the strangest shit these days, no offense. You realize that athleticism and size are important to play solid defense, and to have such a combination as does Lebron is quite rare?
Or were you being sarcastic? :-\ that must be it
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^He's not?
He has his moments, but if it wasn't for his size/athleticism he'd be an average defensive player.
LOL. Kobe & MJ wouldn't be playing basketball if they weren't 6'8'' & 6'6'' & highly athletic. What a stupid argument.
Son held the MVP to like 20 points in the 4th quarter total in the entire series. ::)
BTW, you shouldn't want Dwight Howard on the Lakers. If he wasn't 7 foot with unreal athleticism, he'd be a below average big man.
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^He's not?
He has his moments, but if it wasn't for his size/athleticism he'd be an average defensive player.
That is the oddest statement ever. It's like saying, "Shaq wouldn't have been so dominant of he wasn't so huge" or "Usain Bolt is fast, but it's only because he's so athletic" or "Steve Nash is a great passer, but its only because of his vision"....people say the strangest shit these days, no offense. You realize that athleticism and size are important to play solid defense, and to have such a combination as does Lebron is quite rare?
Or were you being sarcastic? :-\ that must be it
Considering his size, he wasnt all that amazing. Tim Duncan has been the much better defensive player in his career as a big man, with less size. Not to mention a better rebounder, which is ridiculous. Shaq was always such a huge liability going against the pick and roll, and was mainly just a clog in the lane. Not a skilled defensive big man by any means.
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^He's not?
He has his moments, but if it wasn't for his size/athleticism he'd be an average defensive player.
That is the oddest statement ever. It's like saying, "Shaq wouldn't have been so dominant of he wasn't so huge" or "Usain Bolt is fast, but it's only because he's so athletic" or "Steve Nash is a great passer, but its only because of his vision"....people say the strangest shit these days, no offense. You realize that athleticism and size are important to play solid defense, and to have such a combination as does Lebron is quite rare?
Or were you being sarcastic? :-\ that must be it
Considering his size, he wasnt all that amazing. Tim Duncan has been the much better defensive player in his career as a big man, with less size. Not to mention a better rebounder, which is ridiculous. Shaq was always such a huge liability going against the pick and roll, and was mainly just a clog in the lane. Not a skilled defensive big man by any means.
You missed my point..........
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Lebron gonna be going hard to the hole in game 3; he's shooting a great percentage but not driving enough, hence only shooting 6 ft's so far. I predict a 40 point game for him in game 3
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Lebron gonna be going hard to the hole in game 3; he's shooting a great percentage but not driving enough, hence only shooting 6 ft's so far. I predict a 40 point game for him in game 3
nigga went for 8 points on 3-11 shooting while having 0 points and 2 turnovers in the 4th :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X
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^ but everytime he has a bad game he always follows up with a monster game next
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Lebron passed well, but definitely hasn't looked clutch. They are defending him well; he's gonna have to step up for them to win.
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Ridiculous.
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lmao
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No excusing Brons play last night; he looked bad, like he wasn't into it. His shot looks flat
as shit. Maybe one of the worst games I have ever seen him play.
Lebron was incredible in round 3, especially his defense and energy. In the first two games of the finals, his d has been very good, but last night it was shit. He didn't even attempt to help on the last play. He better step it up next game or jr Heat ain't winning shit
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He did almost have a triple double...lol.
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He did almost have a triple double...lol.
When your considered by most to be the best player in the league you have to at least TRY on offense in the clutch. LeBron didn't do shit that entire 4th quarter.
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^Wade had three points.
They score five points in the final 7:21 left. Course Bron sucked it up, but he wasn't alone.
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another great clutch performance by LeBron. just incredible...we have never seen anything like it.
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another great clutch performance or LeBron. just incredible...we have never seen anything like it.
what? D-wade slipping wasn't Bron's fault
btw who are the Lakers playing? ;)
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another great clutch performance or LeBron. just incredible...we have never seen anything like it.
what? D-wade slipping wasn't Bron's fault
btw who are the Lakers playing? ;)
true...but the fact that bron hasn't had a field goal in the 4th quarter since Game 2 is definitely his fault. lmao
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Wade is hogging the ball but yes Bron has been pathetic in the 4th quarter the past 2 games
i think its funny Wade and Bron were mocking Dirk for choking and now are down 3-2
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You still gotta like Miami in 7.
If the Mavs aren't hitting shots with their eyes closed & shoot like they have the last four games, the Heat win by 15 lol.
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Wade is hogging the ball but yes Bron has been pathetic in the 4th quarter the past 2 games
i think its funny Wade and Bron were mocking Dirk for choking and now are down 3-2
...past 3 games.
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Why not just post this in the Lebron clutch thread?
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Mavs last night shot the lights out. Bron was ok but looks unconfident ans despite 4 assists in the 4th, he has only one meaningless fg. Dude has two games to right the ship
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i wanted to make a new thread that posed this question...why has lebron james, up until this day, underperformed in the most important games of his career like the choke-artist everyone has been calling him for years now? this thread is about the discussion of what it is that causes this characteristic not found in the all-time greats. any input?
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lmao @ NIK being so obsessed with Lebron James
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I have a better question. Why wasn't this thread made last series? ;)
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There is already an active thread on the first page discussing LeBron's "clutchness".
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You still gotta like Miami in 7.
If the Mavs aren't hitting shots with their eyes closed & shoot like they have the last four games, the Heat win by 15 lol.
So basically what your saying is if the Mavs don't play so well, the Heat win. Well no shit.
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You still gotta like Miami in 7.
If the Mavs aren't hitting shots with their eyes closed & shoot like they have the last four games, the Heat win by 15 lol.
So basically what your saying is if the Mavs don't play so well, the Heat win. Well no shit.
They shot 15% better than they have in any game all series & nearly 70% from three. I'd say that's much better than average, for anybody.
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i wanted to make a new thread that posed this question...why has lebron james, up until this day, underperformed in the most important games of his career like the choke-artist everyone has been calling him for years now? this thread is about the discussion of what it is that causes this characteristic not found in the all-time greats. any input?
I've already said Lebron isn't playing clutch right now, and its inexcusable. NO excuses.
BUt did you watch him against the Bulls? He was great on both ends, and by far the best player in the series. Without his play, they aren't even in the finals.
But yo, I agree, dude doesn't have it right now; we'll see how he does in games 6 or 7...
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There is already an active thread on the first page discussing LeBron's "clutchness".
LMAO@ this bitter faggot...the thread was a poll posing a question, more than enough of a topic to have its own thread/poll. what a loser of a mod, u ruined a potential classic, dumbshit.
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I have a better question. Why wasn't this thread made last series? ;)
because the question was regarding THE MOST IMPORTANT MOMENTS OF LEBRONS CAREER. are u that retarded that u cant comprehend the fact that the nba finals series is the most important series of his season? seriously...
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*merged*
There is already an active thread on the first page discussing LeBron's "clutchness".
LMAO@ this bitter faggot...the thread was a poll posing a question, more than enough of a topic to have its own thread/poll. what a loser of a mod, u ruined a potential classic, dumbshit.
Someone bitter @ being demoded?
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I have a better question. Why wasn't this thread made last series? ;)
because the question was regarding THE MOST IMPORTANT MOMENTS OF LEBRONS CAREER. are u that retarded that u cant comprehend the fact that the nba finals series is the most important series of his season? seriously...
lol, what a complete moron. His own logic is contradicting. :stupid:
Last round vs. the Bulls was the most important series up until now & the series vs. the Celtics was the most important series to him until he won that one to advance to the next.
So like I said, where were you at, herb?
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LMAO@ this bitter faggot...the thread was a poll posing a question, more than enough of a topic to have its own thread/poll. what a loser of a mod, u ruined a potential classic, dumbshit.
lol
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LMAO@ this bitter faggot...the thread was a poll posing a question, more than enough of a topic to have its own thread/poll. what a loser of a mod, u ruined a potential classic, dumbshit.
lol
not funny, dicklickin bitch...on my life u woulda never merged that if it was about kobe. gay shit, son.
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*merged*
There is already an active thread on the first page discussing LeBron's "clutchness".
LMAO@ this bitter faggot...the thread was a poll posing a question, more than enough of a topic to have its own thread/poll. what a loser of a mod, u ruined a potential classic, dumbshit.
Someone bitter @ being demoded?
thread woulda never been merged if it were about kobe, benedict.