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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: Don Jacob on February 01, 2008, 02:19:32 PM
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i had a heated debate with one of my co workers today about dead rappers. i feel, after 2pac people automatically want to martyr and crown every rapper that's died the GOAT or a LEGEND. this has been happening since the 60's as well in rock music but i think hip hop takes it to another level. but i just feel that a lot of this is undeserved and there's many rappers out there who are ALIVE who i think deserve this shine more than a couple of dead rappers.
anyways here's what i feel about these rappers and their legacies
1. pac.........all around he's probably the Greatest rapper of all time when you talk about influence, intelligence, substance, style, and just over quality. i don't think his death gives his legacy an undeserved boost
2. biggie.......all around he's one of the greatest, i don't think his death gives his legacy an undeserved boost, but i think at TIMES it teeters on it. i'm not too confident, given he kept working with puffy, he would have stayed as consistant as 2pac
3. eazy e.......this is the dude who single handedly got me interested in music in the first place, probably my first favorite rapper, i love everything i've heard from him minus like 1 album. legend? MOST definately! does his death give his legacy an undeserved boost? yes and no. yes because he's not much of a rapper and i don't think he belongs on a greatest of all time list. however like puffy and russel simmons he's an important figure . BUT i think the way he died goes ignored and isn't as appreciated as much in the hip hop community. a community who's consumers are largely african american, one of the highest risks of the HIV viris. i feel this isn't looked at enough.
4. big pun......dude was a nice rapper. he was even a funny rapper too, a great guy. however.......i think his death is the point i'd start saying people started giving away too much credit. yes , i think his death gives his legacy too much undeserved credit. i'd never put him on an all time list. he's a good rapper, but he's not as important to the genre as people make him out to be.
5. ODB ........it's ODB hip hops resident crack head. i don't think anyone gives him MORE credit now than they did before because ODB was always a character like Flava Flav, but like eazy e. he's remembered more for his character than THE way he died, or what lead to it. i think this should be appreciated more
6. BIG L.....okay here's another example of a great rapper who i think is one of the better rappers overall , but i think gets a little bit too much credit. two albums....i don't know . like biggie i'm a little unconfident he would have stayed as consistant to keep up that steam. love the guy, but on the real....when i see people put him above pac, rakim, cube, KRS, Chuck, ect......his death gives his legacy more credit than it deserves, because i know people wouldn't be saying that had he been alive
7. Pimp C.....this one is still to be determined as he was considered a legend BEFORE his death. and rightfully so. no the most skilled rapper but i think influence counts for a lot. but i'd hope people won't start calling him one of the greatest of all time , because he truely isn't. the jury is still out on the how his death affects his legacy.
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2pac would be pissed if he saw the hip hop game today because he was trying to take it further and sell more albums. He was also an activist so i think he would have left his mark on the world in a big way for the betterment of African American people, and that was cut short with his death. The people were robbed of a leader when 2pac died.
Biggie is my favorite rapper because of "dead wrong", that song to me is the greatest rap song EVER made, and Biggie IS THE KING OF NEW YORK PERIOD!!!
Big L should receive all the credit for his work because he was a talented rapper so I don't take anything from him. Even if he only put out 2 albums, we don't know what he was capable of making as far as his music ability.
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big l is sick, but i dont think his death did anything.....
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The only thang I don't like is when people say this shit, 'If Tupac or Biggie was alive, the rap game wouldn't be like it is now'. I don't believe or agree wit that shit at all.
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big l is sick, but i dont think his death did anything.....
he was sick. scary sick. but what's even more sick (bad sick) is people putting him on a pedistool, which a lot of east coast cats do, that he never belonged on. but because he died, he's automatically put over nas . i don't like seeing that.
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big l is sick, but i dont think his death did anything.....
Word, just cuz he's dead doesnt mean shit. Id put him right beside biggie and pac regardless. Big L was fuckin crazy on the mic and i think if he wouldnt of got shot he woulda put out another couple classic albums
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ya tripping Big L was sick
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big l is sick, but i dont think his death did anything.....
he was sick. scary sick. but what's even more sick (bad sick) is people putting him on a pedistool, which a lot of east coast cats do, that he never belonged on. but because he died, he's automatically put over nas . i don't like seeing that.
East Coast cats put L on a high pedestal but you dont seeing too many putting him above Nas.
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big l is sick, but i dont think his death did anything.....
he was sick. scary sick. but what's even more sick (bad sick) is people putting him on a pedistool, which a lot of east coast cats do, that he never belonged on. but because he died, he's automatically put over nas . i don't like seeing that.
East Coast cats put L on a high pedestal but you dont seeing too many putting him above Nas.
Big L is in my top5 East Coast rappers, and I don't consider myself an "East Coast Cat"
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7. Pimp C.....this one is still to be determined as he was considered a legend BEFORE his death. and rightfully so. no the most skilled rapper but i think influence counts for a lot. but i'd hope people won't start calling him one of the greatest of all time , because he truely isn't. the jury is still out on the how his death affects his legacy.
indeed a legend before his death. lyrically he wasnt amazing, but u gotta count his mic presence, flow & swagger. I don't think many rappers at ALL have ever had the type of swagger Pimp C had. One of the greatest ever? no. one of the greatest in the south ever and one of the most influential figures to his coast? yes.
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Pun wuz sick az fuck
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The only thang I don't like is when people say this shit, 'If Tupac or Biggie was alive, the rap game wouldn't be like it is now'. I don't believe or agree wit that shit at all.
id love to know though. would pac and biggie diss the fuck outta ppl like soulja boy? so bad he never wanted to look at a mic again lol. i mean it surely would be different, but unfortunatley were never gunna find out. :'(
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What About Mausberg?
I mean This Dude was basicaly "Game" Before Game
IMO, He Was Gonna be The next To Blow!!
I Guess he's The West's version of The Big L Scene, an Imagine what could have Been.. :'(
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Most kids at my schools had no fucking idea who Mac Dre was until they heard he died.
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big l is sick, but i dont think his death did anything.....
he was sick. scary sick. but what's even more sick (bad sick) is people putting him on a pedistool, which a lot of east coast cats do, that he never belonged on. but because he died, he's automatically put over nas . i don't like seeing that.
East Coast cats put L on a high pedestal but you dont seeing too many putting him above Nas.
Big L is in my top5 East Coast rappers, and I don't consider myself an "East Coast Cat"
best rapper ever imo
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Pac, Biggie, Eazy, are legends regardless.
Pun's legacy prolly got boosted when he died. Then again, I don't hear a lot of people RIP'ing him left and right either. He had one very good album and the rest wasn't really impressive.
ODB - everybody knew he was gonna die, no shock there. I don't think his death made anyone think he was the GOAT or anything. I don't see his legacy improving.
Big L - legacy prolly got boosted a bit from his death. Very talented dude, and you know he was set to do some real shit.
Pimp C - Prolly the toughest call because it's so recent, and UGK was never more popular than when their last album dropped.
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pac is lil bit overrated eventho he is GOAT, as far for his legacy: outlawz,thuglife,people affiliated with them they are who they are because they are 2pac legacy.pac was famous, ppl knew about him before he died too.
eazy-e-a good rapper, a typical LA gang lifestyle profiler, i dont think he got "Bigger" when he died.his legacy?bone-thugs?who else?
big l-sickest NY underground rapper ever IMO but he has no legacy (?).
biggie-king of ny?"he aint only motherfuckin one" but he had mad game before he died and after he died hes been put with pac ever since, so these two are kinda "grown-together" with words: legends, dead rappers, 2 GOAT´s etc.
mausberg-he was less known then and he is less known know but when you come up with his song thats unheard ppl be like: "wow, mausberg.." but I mean This Dude was basicaly "Game" Before Game
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b-brazy-^^ same with brazy.
mac dre-he was just a dope rapper from the bay before he died but now?you know the story...
odb-it seems he never died.he was dope.
more dead rappers: the mac, seagram, rappin ron, marlon brando (sporty thievez)
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eazy-e-a good rapper, a typical LA gang lifestyle profiler, i dont think he got "Bigger" when he died.his legacy?bone-thugs?who else?
Eazy-E's legacy is way deeper Than You Give Him Credit for Homie, Way deeper.
N.W.A. was his, I mean "Boyz-n-the-Hood" Alone is Enough, That's Basicaly Mecca For Gangsta Rap.
Straight Outta Compton & Eazy Duz-it Went Platinum 2x Over in the Same year, basically without Any Radio Play!
(Back in the days When You Had to be Dope To get Heard or get A deal, Not Like Todays trash, When Anyone Get's on)
Compton Became a Household name Because of Eazy-E.
Granted E didn't Write His own Rhymes, But I Don't See That Effecting Dre's Or Snoop's legacy. (GhostWriting)
Remember WHo Rutless Put on...
Ruthless records Put out The D.O.C. , Which in turn Would Spawn his own Hit's & Write on Such Classics as..
"No One Can Do It Better"
"Straight Outta Compton"
"Efil4zaggiN"
"The Chronic"
"DoggyStyle" ect...
(Without Eazy-E, There is No Ruthless Records, Possibly No Dr. Dre as We Know Him , Def No Death Row)
Bone Thugs-N-Harmony Was Eazy's last Gift To Hip-Hop, Besides bringing The Industry up on the Independent game
Eazy Will be Know For Bringing in Some of The Most Influential Rapper's This Westcoast has Ever seen Via Ruthless
Dr.Dre
Ice Cube
Mc Ren
The D.O.C.
Above The Law
(Now, They Would HAve been Dope on any Label, But Would They Have Made it Without Ruthless @ The Time? )
If There is One Figure Death Took Legacy From insted of build, It's Eazy-E.
The Most Influential Rap Persona of All Time. (IMO)
People Always Foget about Eric.
When you mention Ice Cube & Dre, Eazy Has To be Said Aswell in the Exact Same Breathe...
There really ain't no way Around it. (The Foundation, and reason We here Chatting on a Westcoast Hip-Hop forum)
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eazy-e-a good rapper, a typical LA gang lifestyle profiler, i dont think he got "Bigger" when he died.his legacy?bone-thugs?who else?
Eazy-E's legacy is way deeper Than You Give Him Credit for Homie, Way deeper.
N.W.A. was his, I mean "Boyz-n-the-Hood" Alone is Enough, That's Basicaly Mecca For Gangsta Rap.
Straight Outta Compton & Eazy Duz-it Went Platinum 2x Over in the Same year, basically without Any Radio Play!
(Back in the days When You Had to be Dope To get Heard or get A deal, Not Like Todays trash, When Anyone Get's on)
Compton Became a Household name Because of Eazy-E.
Granted E didn't Write His own Rhymes, But I Don't See That Effecting Dre's Or Snoop's legacy. (GhostWriting)
Remember WHo Rutless Put on...
Ruthless records Put out The D.O.C. , Which in turn Would Spawn his own Hit's & Write on Such Classics as..
"No One Can Do It Better"
"Straight Outta Compton"
"Efil4zaggiN"
"The Chronic"
"DoggyStyle" ect...
(Without Eazy-E, There is No Ruthless Records, Possibly No Dr. Dre as We Know Him , Def No Death Row)
Bone Thugs-N-Harmony Was Eazy's last Gift To Hip-Hop, Besides bringing The Industry up on the Independent game
Eazy Will be Know For Bringing in Some of The Most Influential Rapper's This Westcoast has Ever seen Via Ruthless
Dr.Dre
Ice Cube
Mc Ren
The D.O.C.
Above The Law
(Now, They Would HAve been Dope on any Label, But Would They Have Made it Without Ruthless @ The Time? )
If There is One Figure Death Took Legacy From insted of build, It's Eazy-E.
The Most Influential Rap Persona of All Time. (IMO)
People Always Foget about Eric.
When you mention Ice Cube & Dre, Eazy Has To be Said Aswell in the Exact Same Breathe...
There really ain't no way Around it. (The Foundation, and reason We here Chatting on a Westcoast Hip-Hop forum)
agreed.i think i "misinterpretated" the word "legacy".
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tupac- most likely the greatest rapper of all time
bigg
eazy e
pimp c
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stack bundles - wow, what a legacy. he was second only to jim jones, the legendary lyrical wiz he dressed like and carried weed for.
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stack bundles - wow, what a legacy. the legendary lyrical wiz he dressed like and carried weed for.
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Most kids at my schools had no fucking idea who Mac Dre was until they heard he died.
yeah perfect example. thank you
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Most kids at my schools had no fucking idea who Mac Dre was until they heard he died.
yeah perfect example. thank you
LOL yeah. Being from L.A., Mac Dre was another rapper that we'd see his albums at Sam Goody, or see his name featured on websites, but we didn't know anything about him or his music. I knew MUCH MORE about 40, Too Short, Spice One, Celly Cell, Richie Rich, B-Legit, 3x Krazy, Dru Down, and all of them than Mac Dre. I NEVER heard any of his songs on L.A. radio, EVER. I don't even think I could name a song of his before he died. I was completely blind to the Bay's scene and how big Dre was...if he was even half as big before he died.
When I heard he died, I was like damm...but I had no kind of idea that he did all that he did, and was seen as any sort of legend. When I first started hearin his tracks, I was like damm, he's kinda weak, I don't see what's dope about him...but I realized that he was much more of a persona and somebody who's image and style made him who he was, and definitely not his straight up rappin skills. I heard some of his older tracks where he used to actually rap and not just ramble, and they were dope...but his ramblin style made him who he was, and cats like Mistah Fab keep that style goin now.
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When I heard he died, I was like damm...but I had no kind of idea that he did all that he did, and was seen as any sort of legend. When I first started hearin his tracks, I was like damm, he's kinda weak, I don't see what's dope about him...but I realized that he was much more of a persona and somebody who's image and style made him who he was, and definitely not his straight up rappin skills. I heard some of his older tracks where he used to actually rap and not just ramble, and they were dope...but his ramblin style made him who he was, and cats like Mistah Fab keep that style goin now.
word.same here
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eazy-e-a good rapper, a typical LA gang lifestyle profiler, i dont think he got "Bigger" when he died.his legacy?bone-thugs?who else?
Eazy-E's legacy is way deeper Than You Give Him Credit for Homie, Way deeper.
N.W.A. was his, I mean "Boyz-n-the-Hood" Alone is Enough, That's Basicaly Mecca For Gangsta Rap.
Straight Outta Compton & Eazy Duz-it Went Platinum 2x Over in the Same year, basically without Any Radio Play!
(Back in the days When You Had to be Dope To get Heard or get A deal, Not Like Todays trash, When Anyone Get's on)
Compton Became a Household name Because of Eazy-E.
Granted E didn't Write His own Rhymes, But I Don't See That Effecting Dre's Or Snoop's legacy. (GhostWriting)
Remember WHo Rutless Put on...
Ruthless records Put out The D.O.C. , Which in turn Would Spawn his own Hit's & Write on Such Classics as..
"No One Can Do It Better"
"Straight Outta Compton"
"Efil4zaggiN"
"The Chronic"
"DoggyStyle" ect...
(Without Eazy-E, There is No Ruthless Records, Possibly No Dr. Dre as We Know Him , Def No Death Row)
Bone Thugs-N-Harmony Was Eazy's last Gift To Hip-Hop, Besides bringing The Industry up on the Independent game
Eazy Will be Know For Bringing in Some of The Most Influential Rapper's This Westcoast has Ever seen Via Ruthless
Dr.Dre
Ice Cube
Mc Ren
The D.O.C.
Above The Law
(Now, They Would HAve been Dope on any Label, But Would They Have Made it Without Ruthless @ The Time? )
If There is One Figure Death Took Legacy From insted of build, It's Eazy-E.
The Most Influential Rap Persona of All Time. (IMO)
People Always Foget about Eric.
When you mention Ice Cube & Dre, Eazy Has To be Said Aswell in the Exact Same Breathe...
There really ain't no way Around it. (The Foundation, and reason We here Chatting on a Westcoast Hip-Hop forum)
word
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i like the fact that rappers that have passed away, can still release albums so that there remaining families can still eat, but other than that, i think peole should just let brothers an sisters rest in peace, i talking from the perpective of if i was a artist now, an i died, i wouldn't want people putting albums together of tunes i've done together wit production i never would have fucked wit when i was alive an artist i wouldn't have have even touched fists wit let alone do a track wit, strictly from a artistic level you know, but its good these albums feed peoples families like the tupac estate an big's mum an so on an so on, rip to all fallen artists, worldwide, lets go