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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: HighEyeCue on August 03, 2011, 03:29:56 PM
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interesting article
http://www.dallasobserver.com/2011-08-04/music/legendary-dallas-rapper-d-o-c-starts-his-return-to-the-top/
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DOC had a kid with Badu? I never knew that
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Good to know Dre listened to Snoop and has DOC & Snoop back in the studio to work with.
But DOC moving back to Cali for 6 months to 'complete work'? Well that means Detox won't be coming out in November/December then!!
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As much as I like DOC, at this point he (or anyone else for that matter) won't make a difference with Detox. Its on Dre to actually release it.
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Great article. The D.O.C. should be considered one of the all time greats in the game, and it is unfortunate that most of his work is overlooked or at times never even acknowledged. That being said, it's like GangstaBoogy just mentioned, at the end of the day it's Dre's album. Trying to please everyone involved both creatively and on a business level is damn near impossible.
"He's pretty fucking close," D.O.C. says, adding that he plans to move back to L.A. for six months — time enough, he contends, to complete the work.
I got the message, too.
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Why should DOC be considered one of Hip Hop's greats? Because of 1 classic album?
Dude is the Penny Hardaway of rap. Yes they were amazing when they were younger but injuries plagued their careers.
To me DOC, Big Pun, and other guys like that can't be considered greats because they didn't deliver enough material (which I know sounds harsh since it was through no faults of their own). But its not fair to a guy like Nas who had to fight his whole career and release several dope albums to be considered great to be in the same class with guys who dropped 1 classic then that was all.
"What if" stories are always entertaining but never valid.
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Why should DOC be considered one of Hip Hop's greats? Because of 1 classic album?
Dude is the Penny Hardaway of rap. Yes they were amazing when they were younger but injuries plagued their careers.
To me DOC, Big Pun, and other guys like that can't be considered greats because they didn't deliver enough material (which I know sounds harsh since it was through no faults of their own). But its not fair to a guy like Nas who had to fight his whole career and release several dope albums to be considered great to be in the same class with guys who dropped 1 classic then that was all.
"What if" stories are always entertaining but never valid.
Different strokes for different folks, I guess. If you factor in artists whose careers were cut short, then it does raise questions...I see your point though.
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Oh it definetely raises questions. Especially with DOC because of what happened with Ruthless / Death Row after NOCDIB dropped. For all we know Doggystyle could've been his sophmore album.
Damn now that's something to think about...
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DOC had a kid with Badu? I never knew that
lol it was common knowledge. U need to get out a bit more i think.
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DOC is one of the greats, a west coast pioneer...anyone who doesnt get that doesn't understand how important his role in west coast rap was.
anyways, did he ever get that procedure to fix his vocal chords? i heard he was entertaining a surgery that would restore his voice to 90% or some shit...what ever happened with that?
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Why should DOC be considered one of Hip Hop's greats? Because of 1 classic album?
Dude is the Penny Hardaway of rap. Yes they were amazing when they were younger but injuries plagued their careers.
To me DOC, Big Pun, and other guys like that can't be considered greats because they didn't deliver enough material (which I know sounds harsh since it was through no faults of their own). But its not fair to a guy like Nas who had to fight his whole career and release several dope albums to be considered great to be in the same class with guys who dropped 1 classic then that was all.
"What if" stories are always entertaining but never valid.
He write hip hop classics for other peaople, thats make him one of the best ever. Legend.
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I like Gangstaboogy's Penny Hardaway comparison. No doubt D.O.C is a legend but he can't be in same catagory with guys like Nas.
If Nas died after Illmatic, shit I could only imagine.
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DOC is one of the greats, a west coast pioneer...anyone who doesnt get that doesn't understand how important his role in west coast rap was.
anyways, did he ever get that procedure to fix his vocal chords? i heard he was entertaining a surgery that would restore his voice to 90% or some shit...what ever happened with that?
hes laggin on that surgery. I just wanna hear him rap over dre beat with I'm Back!! type of shit.
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I like Gangstaboogy's Penny Hardaway comparison. No doubt D.O.C is a legend but he can't be in same catagory with guys like Nas.
If Nas died after Illmatic, shit I could only imagine.
thats not a good comparison...penny hardaway couldnt do shit after he got injured. DOC (along with Dre) helped create the signature sound of the west coast and pioneered west coast gangsta rap, even after the accident.
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going to Alcoholics Anonymous and settling down in his home life.
hes late, but he better stick to it.
In June, D.O.C. traveled to a Sacramento hospital for a series of tests to see if his body could handle the surgery. He's still awaiting the results, but says he feels optimistic.
interesting.
D.O.C. says he receives about $20,000 per year in writer's royalties. This is, of course, only a fraction of what he's owed, considering that the works he contributed to continue to sell well. Until recently the majority of even this modest sum went to the IRS, owing to unpaid back taxes. He says that a combination of loyalty, ignorance and substance abuse issues kept him from legally pursuing his publishing credits over the years.
lol, last time he said he didnt earn anything.
But now he's ready for a new day. He has paired up with a crackerjack PR rep named Chad Kiser
congrats chad :)Good to know Dre listened to Snoop and has DOC & Snoop back in the studio to work with.
But DOC moving back to Cali for 6 months to 'complete work'? Well that means Detox won't be coming out in November/December then!!
what else did you expect? after the preview of Die hard, nothing happened.
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Oh it definetely raises questions. Especially with DOC because of what happened with Ruthless / Death Row after NOCDIB dropped. For all we know Doggystyle could've been his sophmore album.
Damn now that's something to think about...
Doggystyle is a Snoop album....
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Ehhh I don't like the Penny Hardaway comparison. He's more like Jerry West. 1 Championship (Classic) as a player, but a key contributor to more championships behind the scenes. He's unsung hero for the most part.
In my eyes, DOC is a Hip-Hop great. I'm not saying he's on the Mount Rushmore of Hip-Hop, but it definitely wouldn't be the same without him.
Overall, it was a good article. I'm glad that the DOC and the Doctor are willing to put the nonsense in the past and move forward. I'm really hoping that the surgery will be a success and that his voice will be restored. I'm sure that DOC could have another classic in him if he could tell his own story that is 20+ years in the making.
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Why should DOC be considered one of Hip Hop's greats? Because of 1 classic album?
Dude is the Penny Hardaway of rap. Yes they were amazing when they were younger but injuries plagued their careers.
To me DOC, Big Pun, and other guys like that can't be considered greats because they didn't deliver enough material (which I know sounds harsh since it was through no faults of their own). But its not fair to a guy like Nas who had to fight his whole career and release several dope albums to be considered great to be in the same class with guys who dropped 1 classic then that was all.
"What if" stories are always entertaining but never valid.
lmao,
so if Nas wouldve died or lost his voice, after the release of "Illmatic" - he wouldnt been one of the greatest?
btw, Big L only released one album.. i guess hes not 1 of the greats either..
gtfoh
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Terrible article, well-written but way too much ass-licking. I hate when journalists are infatuated with the person they write about. Sounds like something a PR would write for his artist. HipHopDx does it a lot too, no matter how informative and well-written their articles are, they're always doing too much in favor of the artist, like they're all the GOATs or whatnot.
The D.O.C. is a legend in some ways, but dude is way too egotistic and very overrated IMO (and def not underrated like he's said to be too many times). His first album is no doubt a classic and it has been embraced as such by the whole hip-hop community, and it went platinum. Granted he knows about song structure and he rhymed like crazy, but since then, it's not like the songs he's helped pen are lyrical gems. Dude is giving himself too much importance. He's a pioneer and all but the lyrics in Doggystyle or 2001 (which he most of the time oversaw, not really wrote) are clearly the weakest aspects of those albums. Much respect to his legacy nonetheless.
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cool interview
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Oh it definetely raises questions. Especially with DOC because of what happened with Ruthless / Death Row after NOCDIB dropped. For all we know Doggystyle could've been his sophmore album.
Damn now that's something to think about...
Doggystyle is a Snoop album....
talk about goin over ur head lmao
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Ehhh I don't like the Penny Hardaway comparison. He's more like Jerry West. 1 Championship (Classic) as a player, but a key contributor to more championships behind the scenes. He's unsung hero for the most part.
In my eyes, DOC is a Hip-Hop great. I'm not saying he's on the Mount Rushmore of Hip-Hop, but it definitely wouldn't be the same without him.
Overall, it was a good article. I'm glad that the DOC and the Doctor are willing to put the nonsense in the past and move forward. I'm really hoping that the surgery will be a success and that his voice will be restored. I'm sure that DOC could have another classic in him if he could tell his own story that is 20+ years in the making.
much better comparison. penny hardaway would be more like hittman or something. showed major promise, potential to deliver classics (titles), but flamed out before he ever got the chance.
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Oh it definetely raises questions. Especially with DOC because of what happened with Ruthless / Death Row after NOCDIB dropped. For all we know Doggystyle could've been his sophmore album.
Damn now that's something to think about...
Doggystyle is a Snoop album....
Yeah, he raps on it.
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DOC had a kid with Badu? I never knew that
nobody knows how the fuck is possible
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Why should DOC be considered one of Hip Hop's greats? Because of 1 classic album?
Dude is the Penny Hardaway of rap. Yes they were amazing when they were younger but injuries plagued their careers.
To me DOC, Big Pun, and other guys like that can't be considered greats because they didn't deliver enough material (which I know sounds harsh since it was through no faults of their own). But its not fair to a guy like Nas who had to fight his whole career and release several dope albums to be considered great to be in the same class with guys who dropped 1 classic then that was all.
"What if" stories are always entertaining but never valid.
lmao,
so if Nas wouldve died or lost his voice, after the release of "Illmatic" - he wouldnt been one of the greatest?
btw, Big L only released one album.. i guess hes not 1 of the greats either..
gtfoh
Big L isn't one of the greats. And Nobody Does It Better isn't on the level of illmatic.
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Why should DOC be considered one of Hip Hop's greats? Because of 1 classic album?
Dude is the Penny Hardaway of rap. Yes they were amazing when they were younger but injuries plagued their careers.
To me DOC, Big Pun, and other guys like that can't be considered greats because they didn't deliver enough material (which I know sounds harsh since it was through no faults of their own). But its not fair to a guy like Nas who had to fight his whole career and release several dope albums to be considered great to be in the same class with guys who dropped 1 classic then that was all.
"What if" stories are always entertaining but never valid.
lmao,
so if Nas wouldve died or lost his voice, after the release of "Illmatic" - he wouldnt been one of the greatest?
btw, Big L only released one album.. i guess hes not 1 of the greats either..
gtfoh
Big L isn't one of the greats. And Nobody Does It Better isn't on the level of illmatic.
...go sit in the corner ;)
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LOL...this spice none guy is on some newbie shit when it comes to hip-hop
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Do you really believe No One Can Do It Better is on the level of illmatic?
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Do you really believe No One Can Do It Better is on the level of illmatic?
a classic is a classic. the album is a 5/5. do u even know what that did for west coast hip-hop?
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Do you really believe No One Can Do It Better is on the level of illmatic?
a classic is a classic. the album is a 5/5. do u even know what that did for west coast hip-hop?
Nothing? The DOC isn't a west coast rapper.
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Do you really believe No One Can Do It Better is on the level of illmatic?
a classic is a classic. the album is a 5/5. do u even know what that did for west coast hip-hop?
Nothing? The DOC isn't a west coast rapper.
yea, and neither are 2pac or kurupt....lmao.
step it up, son.
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Do you really believe No One Can Do It Better is on the level of illmatic?
a classic is a classic. the album is a 5/5. do u even know what that did for west coast hip-hop?
Nothing? The DOC isn't a west coast rapper.
yea, and neither are 2pac or kurupt....lmao.
step it up, son.
Pac and Kurupt were born other places and moved to California, lived there for years and repped it as their home. The D.O.C. went to Cali specifically to fuck with Dre and make music. He was literally living in Dre's house during that time. Ice Cube went to NY to record his albums, doesn't make him an east coast rapper.
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Do you really believe No One Can Do It Better is on the level of illmatic?
a classic is a classic. the album is a 5/5. do u even know what that did for west coast hip-hop?
Nothing? The DOC isn't a west coast rapper.
yea, and neither are 2pac or kurupt....lmao.
step it up, son.
Pac and Kurupt were born other places and moved to California, lived there for years and repped it as their home. The D.O.C. went to Cali specifically to fuck with Dre and make music. He was literally living in Dre's house during that time. Ice Cube went to NY to record his albums, doesn't make him an east coast rapper.
LOL...the DOC is west coast hip-hop, man. doesn't matter where he lived, he made his music out here and fucked with west coast cats exclusively, thus giving him the signature west coast sound. he was a huge part of NWA's success and his debut is considered a landmark in west coast rap. if u dont consider DOC west coast, u need to check urself.
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Spice wanna go around talkin like no one does it better aint a classic yet his forum name is taken from a rapper that never even came close to making a classic lol...not to mention claiming rick ross is a great lyricist go do your homework kid
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Spice wanna go around talkin like no one does it better aint a classic yet his forum name is taken from a rapper that never even came close to making a classic lol...not to mention claiming rick ross is a great lyricist go do your homework kid
lol this reminded me
Rick Ross : UGH!
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LOL...the DOC is west coast hip-hop, man. doesn't matter where he lived, he made his music out here and fucked with west coast cats exclusively, thus giving him the signature west coast sound. he was a huge part of NWA's success and his debut is considered a landmark in west coast rap. if u dont consider DOC west coast, u need to check urself.
lmao he didn't have a signature west coast sound. Does No One Can Do It Better sound like a west coast album to you?
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Spice wanna go around talkin like no one does it better aint a classic yet his forum name is taken from a rapper that never even came close to making a classic lol...not to mention claiming rick ross is a great lyricist go do your homework kid
Now you're just making stuff up. And lol your forum name is taken from a rapper that never even came close to making a classic. Worst logic ever.
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He's a pioneer and all but the lyrics in Doggystyle or 2001 (which he most of the time oversaw, not really wrote) are clearly the weakest aspects of those albums.
No, they are not. We seem to be living in this new world of faux-sophistication where lyrics have to be complex and overly-intellectual to be considered valid of holding weight. Simple can be just as effective. Great writing, at its core, is about creating something that reasonates. If you can create a memorable song with basic words and rhyme patterns, that is not weak lyricism. If anything I think a true artist is one that stays in the moment, instead of trying to come off clever with a witty metaphor.
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He's a pioneer and all but the lyrics in Doggystyle or 2001 (which he most of the time oversaw, not really wrote) are clearly the weakest aspects of those albums.
No, they are not. We seem to be living in this new world of faux-sophistication where lyrics have to be complex and overly-intellectual to be considered valid of holding weight. Simple can be just as effective. Great writing, at its core, is about creating something that reasonates. If you can create a memorable song with basic words and rhyme patterns, that is not weak lyricism. If anything I think a true artist is one that stays in the moment, instead of trying to come off clever with a witty metaphor.
I'd agree with most of this. But I also think a lot of songs have been carried by their beats. The lyrics on Doggystyle were memorable because look how many of Snoop's quotables came out of that. But I can't say the same for 2001. I believe you could have replaced Kurupt's "bitch is a bitch" rhymes with better lyrics, or given Dre better lyrics and that would have made the album even better.
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LOL...the DOC is west coast hip-hop, man. doesn't matter where he lived, he made his music out here and fucked with west coast cats exclusively, thus giving him the signature west coast sound. he was a huge part of NWA's success and his debut is considered a landmark in west coast rap. if u dont consider DOC west coast, u need to check urself.
lmao he didn't have a signature west coast sound. Does No One Can Do It Better sound like a west coast album to you?
yes...it has the same sound as the other Ruthless releases from that era. Are you okay? smh
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Spice wanna go around talkin like no one does it better aint a classic yet his forum name is taken from a rapper that never even came close to making a classic lol...not to mention claiming rick ross is a great lyricist go do your homework kid
I dunno bout that...I think Spice-1 has a couple bay classics under his belt.
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He's a pioneer and all but the lyrics in Doggystyle or 2001 (which he most of the time oversaw, not really wrote) are clearly the weakest aspects of those albums.
No, they are not. We seem to be living in this new world of faux-sophistication where lyrics have to be complex and overly-intellectual to be considered valid of holding weight. Simple can be just as effective. Great writing, at its core, is about creating something that reasonates. If you can create a memorable song with basic words and rhyme patterns, that is not weak lyricism. If anything I think a true artist is one that stays in the moment, instead of trying to come off clever with a witty metaphor.
I'd agree with most of this. But I also think a lot of songs have been carried by their beats. The lyrics on Doggystyle were memorable because look how many of Snoop's quotables came out of that. But I can't say the same for 2001. I believe you could have replaced Kurupt's "bitch is a bitch" rhymes with better lyrics, or given Dre better lyrics and that would have made the album even better.
there are entire songs on 2001 that are quotables.
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it's actually funny how you guys love to argue over what's classic, what's not, what's west coast, what's not... in almost every single thread. damn you all need to get some real life.... ASAP
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LOL...the DOC is west coast hip-hop, man. doesn't matter where he lived, he made his music out here and fucked with west coast cats exclusively, thus giving him the signature west coast sound. he was a huge part of NWA's success and his debut is considered a landmark in west coast rap. if u dont consider DOC west coast, u need to check urself.
lmao he didn't have a signature west coast sound. Does No One Can Do It Better sound like a west coast album to you?
yes...it has the same sound as the other Ruthless releases from that era. Are you okay? smh
lol are you serious? It sounds completely different from everything else on Ruthless. Not only on Ruthless but west coast rap in general.
Spice wanna go around talkin like no one does it better aint a classic yet his forum name is taken from a rapper that never even came close to making a classic lol...not to mention claiming rick ross is a great lyricist go do your homework kid
I dunno bout that...I think Spice-1 has a couple bay classics under his belt.
Bay classics, yes. World-wide classic no. That's kind of how I feel about No One Can Do It Better. It's a great album, but its not on the level of hip hop's greatest albums. Like illmatic is an album that I feel is a universal classic. So is the Chronic. But albums like No One Can Do It Better or Spice 1 I don't put on the same level.
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He's a pioneer and all but the lyrics in Doggystyle or 2001 (which he most of the time oversaw, not really wrote) are clearly the weakest aspects of those albums.
No, they are not. We seem to be living in this new world of faux-sophistication where lyrics have to be complex and overly-intellectual to be considered valid of holding weight. Simple can be just as effective. Great writing, at its core, is about creating something that reasonates. If you can create a memorable song with basic words and rhyme patterns, that is not weak lyricism. If anything I think a true artist is one that stays in the moment, instead of trying to come off clever with a witty metaphor.
I'd agree with most of this. But I also think a lot of songs have been carried by their beats. The lyrics on Doggystyle were memorable because look how many of Snoop's quotables came out of that. But I can't say the same for 2001. I believe you could have replaced Kurupt's "bitch is a bitch" rhymes with better lyrics, or given Dre better lyrics and that would have made the album even better.
there are entire songs on 2001 that are quotables.
LOL...forget it. this guy is a lost cause. he's tryna argue that DOC - No One Can Do It Better is not a west coast album lmao.
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He's a pioneer and all but the lyrics in Doggystyle or 2001 (which he most of the time oversaw, not really wrote) are clearly the weakest aspects of those albums.
No, they are not. We seem to be living in this new world of faux-sophistication where lyrics have to be complex and overly-intellectual to be considered valid of holding weight. Simple can be just as effective. Great writing, at its core, is about creating something that reasonates. If you can create a memorable song with basic words and rhyme patterns, that is not weak lyricism. If anything I think a true artist is one that stays in the moment, instead of trying to come off clever with a witty metaphor.
I'd agree with most of this. But I also think a lot of songs have been carried by their beats. The lyrics on Doggystyle were memorable because look how many of Snoop's quotables came out of that. But I can't say the same for 2001. I believe you could have replaced Kurupt's "bitch is a bitch" rhymes with better lyrics, or given Dre better lyrics and that would have made the album even better.
there are entire songs on 2001 that are quotables.
LOL...forget it. this guy is a lost cause. he's tryna argue that DOC - No One Can Do It Better is not a west coast album lmao.
The album was by a rapper from the south. This thread even links to an article that calls him a Dallas rapper. He currently lives in Dallas and has for most of his life.
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He's a pioneer and all but the lyrics in Doggystyle or 2001 (which he most of the time oversaw, not really wrote) are clearly the weakest aspects of those albums.
No, they are not. We seem to be living in this new world of faux-sophistication where lyrics have to be complex and overly-intellectual to be considered valid of holding weight. Simple can be just as effective. Great writing, at its core, is about creating something that reasonates. If you can create a memorable song with basic words and rhyme patterns, that is not weak lyricism. If anything I think a true artist is one that stays in the moment, instead of trying to come off clever with a witty metaphor.
I'd agree with most of this. But I also think a lot of songs have been carried by their beats. The lyrics on Doggystyle were memorable because look how many of Snoop's quotables came out of that. But I can't say the same for 2001. I believe you could have replaced Kurupt's "bitch is a bitch" rhymes with better lyrics, or given Dre better lyrics and that would have made the album even better.
there are entire songs on 2001 that are quotables.
LOL...forget it. this guy is a lost cause. he's tryna argue that DOC - No One Can Do It Better is not a west coast album lmao.
The album was by a rapper from the south. This thread even links to an article that calls him a Dallas rapper. He currently lives in Dallas and has for most of his life.
WTF DOES THAT MATTER. 2Pac was from New York, his rap name was MC New York when he started rappin and he didn't spend most of his rap career in LA..."No One Can Do It Better" is considered a westcoast landmark by anyone with sense in their brain......the muthafucka has a song called "West Coast":
http://www.youtube.com/v/NFMwcuy0Fxs
pull ur head out ur fuckin ass
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He's a pioneer and all but the lyrics in Doggystyle or 2001 (which he most of the time oversaw, not really wrote) are clearly the weakest aspects of those albums.
No, they are not. We seem to be living in this new world of faux-sophistication where lyrics have to be complex and overly-intellectual to be considered valid of holding weight. Simple can be just as effective. Great writing, at its core, is about creating something that reasonates. If you can create a memorable song with basic words and rhyme patterns, that is not weak lyricism. If anything I think a true artist is one that stays in the moment, instead of trying to come off clever with a witty metaphor.
I completely agree with your definition of good lyrics, couldn't have said it better. but I still find most of Doggystyle and especially 2001 mediocre lyrics-wise or average at best. surely there were some excellent verses (Forgot about Dre, What's The Difference) but the bulk of it, especially on 2001 come off as rather insipid. But my point was that The DOC is a very egotistic person and while i'm not denying his lyrical abilities that are obvious on songs like the formula, i'm just saying that overseeing the writing of such albums as Doggystyle of 2001 where lyrics are clearly not the album's forte isn't a wonder in itself.
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the muthafucka has a song called "West Coast":
http://www.youtube.com/v/NFMwcuy0Fxs
lol, that ain't a official song, it's a remix someone made up.
Go look up D.O.C. "The Shit" from his album "Deuce".
To me "No One Can Do It Better" is the best album of all time, period. But it doesn't sound very "westcoast" to me, even tho' the full thing is produced by Dre and therefore it could still be considered "WestCoast" to me.. His second album "Helter Skelter" on the other hand got a very "westcoast g-funk" sound on the whole thing.. even tho' hardly anybody from the West worked on it.. both classic albums tho'.
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He's a pioneer and all but the lyrics in Doggystyle or 2001 (which he most of the time oversaw, not really wrote) are clearly the weakest aspects of those albums.
No, they are not. We seem to be living in this new world of faux-sophistication where lyrics have to be complex and overly-intellectual to be considered valid of holding weight. Simple can be just as effective. Great writing, at its core, is about creating something that reasonates. If you can create a memorable song with basic words and rhyme patterns, that is not weak lyricism. If anything I think a true artist is one that stays in the moment, instead of trying to come off clever with a witty metaphor.
I'd agree with most of this. But I also think a lot of songs have been carried by their beats. The lyrics on Doggystyle were memorable because look how many of Snoop's quotables came out of that. But I can't say the same for 2001. I believe you could have replaced Kurupt's "bitch is a bitch" rhymes with better lyrics, or given Dre better lyrics and that would have made the album even better.
there are entire songs on 2001 that are quotables.
LOL...forget it. this guy is a lost cause. he's tryna argue that DOC - No One Can Do It Better is not a west coast album lmao.
The album was by a rapper from the south. This thread even links to an article that calls him a Dallas rapper. He currently lives in Dallas and has for most of his life.
WTF DOES THAT MATTER. 2Pac was from New York, his rap name was MC New York when he started rappin and he didn't spend most of his rap career in LA..."No One Can Do It Better" is considered a westcoast landmark by anyone with sense in their brain......the muthafucka has a song called "West Coast":
http://www.youtube.com/v/NFMwcuy0Fxs
pull ur head out ur fuckin ass
Pac moved to Cali as a teenager. It was his home. He repped it in his music. Who are you to tell the man he's not west coast when he says so himself?
The D.O.C. never made Cali his home. He never repped it. And like the dude said, that's not even a real song. LOL. He came out to Cali to fuck with Dre. His other albums weren't even made in Cali because he had returned home by then.
Dre producing No One Can Do It Better doesn't make it west coast unless the Bomb Squad producing Ice Cube's album in NY makes it east coast. You guys are so obsessed with everything associated with Dre and Death Row that you've lost your common sense.
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"amerikkaz most wanted" is east-coast
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Big L isn't one of the greats.
LOL, Big L is widely regarded as one of the greatest MCs, how can you not know that
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Big L isn't one of the greats.
LOL, Big L is widely regarded as one of the greatest MCs, how can you not know that
The thing about Big L is that his entire legacy is based on hype from after he died and the popularity of the internet. While he was alive he was never regarded as one of the best. His debut wasn't a classic when it came out. Then he dies, the internet comes along, and white rap fans on hip hop forums start throwing his name in with the greats and calling his album a hip hop classic. Wigger, what?
All hype aside, he was a sick freestyler who released a good album that made no impact, got dropped from his label and then died before he could go indie. If he was alive today he probably would have joined Slaughterhouse.
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right, Spiggety Spice. i agree on the white/internet-backpacker hiphopfanbase-part,, most of em r responsible for the exaggerated Big L-hype.. but the thing is,,,
a potential classic album, wont get the stamp-of-aproval till yrs later.. thats the thing wit the word "classic". "Godfather" wasnt considered a classic when it came out, just a good movie.
same thing wit "Lifestyles of da poor & dangerouz".. it was a great album from the get-go, and it became a calssic a few yrs later (by that time, Big L had died,, n if duke wouldve been alive later it still would be classic)
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right, Spiggety Spice. i agree on the white/internet-backpacker hiphopfanbase-part,, most of em r responsible for the exaggerated Big L-hype.. but the thing is,,,
a potential classic album, wont get the stamp-of-aproval till yrs later.. thats the thing wit the word "classic". "Godfather" wasnt considered a classic when it came out, just a good movie.
same thing wit "Lifestyles of da poor & dangerouz".. it was a great album from the get-go, and it became a calssic a few yrs later (by that time, Big L had died,, n if duke wouldve been alive later it still would be classic)
totally agree madsen. classic to me means it has lasting power from years on from the time it was made. nobody does it better still has that lasting effect unlike most the garbage that is put out today. Sure many will think some of the stuff is hot at the moment but 10-12 yrs from now are people really gonna still care about recovery or anything else that has come out within these last few years...we'll have to wait and see but highly doubt it
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same thing wit "Lifestyles of da poor & dangerouz".. it was a great album from the get-go, and it became a calssic a few yrs later (by that time, Big L had died,, n if duke wouldve been alive later it still would be classic)
No way. It got hyped because of his death. This album came out in 1995 and no one was talking about it. Not even years after, until white people hyped up his death on the internet. Do you really think they would have done that if he was still alive?
If Big L was alive he'd be yet another underappreciated lyricist who never made it (aka joined Slaughterhouse)
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same thing wit "Lifestyles of da poor & dangerouz".. it was a great album from the get-go, and it became a calssic a few yrs later (by that time, Big L had died,, n if duke wouldve been alive later it still would be classic)
If Big L was alive he'd be yet another underappreciated lyricist who never made it (aka joined Slaughterhouse)
Well he signed a deal with Jay-Z on Rocafella just before he died, so I doubt he would have 'never made it'. He was on the verge of making it when he was murdered.
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the muthafucka has a song called "West Coast":
http://www.youtube.com/v/NFMwcuy0Fxs
lol, that ain't a official song, it's a remix someone made up.
Go look up D.O.C. "The Shit" from his album "Deuce".
To me "No One Can Do It Better" is the best album of all time, period. But it doesn't sound very "westcoast" to me, even tho' the full thing is produced by Dre and therefore it could still be considered "WestCoast" to me.. His second album "Helter Skelter" on the other hand got a very "westcoast g-funk" sound on the whole thing.. even tho' hardly anybody from the West worked on it.. both classic albums tho'.
LMAO...who gives a fuck if thats a remix, dude is hollerin "West Coast" throughout the whole track. lemme guess, that was remixed in there too? come on, now...anyone who doesnt consider DOC west coast needs 2 slap theyself.
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He's a pioneer and all but the lyrics in Doggystyle or 2001 (which he most of the time oversaw, not really wrote) are clearly the weakest aspects of those albums.
No, they are not. We seem to be living in this new world of faux-sophistication where lyrics have to be complex and overly-intellectual to be considered valid of holding weight. Simple can be just as effective. Great writing, at its core, is about creating something that reasonates. If you can create a memorable song with basic words and rhyme patterns, that is not weak lyricism. If anything I think a true artist is one that stays in the moment, instead of trying to come off clever with a witty metaphor.
I'd agree with most of this. But I also think a lot of songs have been carried by their beats. The lyrics on Doggystyle were memorable because look how many of Snoop's quotables came out of that. But I can't say the same for 2001. I believe you could have replaced Kurupt's "bitch is a bitch" rhymes with better lyrics, or given Dre better lyrics and that would have made the album even better.
there are entire songs on 2001 that are quotables.
LOL...forget it. this guy is a lost cause. he's tryna argue that DOC - No One Can Do It Better is not a west coast album lmao.
The album was by a rapper from the south. This thread even links to an article that calls him a Dallas rapper. He currently lives in Dallas and has for most of his life.
WTF DOES THAT MATTER. 2Pac was from New York, his rap name was MC New York when he started rappin and he didn't spend most of his rap career in LA..."No One Can Do It Better" is considered a westcoast landmark by anyone with sense in their brain......the muthafucka has a song called "West Coast":
http://www.youtube.com/v/NFMwcuy0Fxs
pull ur head out ur fuckin ass
Pac moved to Cali as a teenager. It was his home. He repped it in his music. Who are you to tell the man he's not west coast when he says so himself?
The D.O.C. never made Cali his home. He never repped it. And like the dude said, that's not even a real song. LOL. He came out to Cali to fuck with Dre. His other albums weren't even made in Cali because he had returned home by then.
Dre producing No One Can Do It Better doesn't make it west coast unless the Bomb Squad producing Ice Cube's album in NY makes it east coast. You guys are so obsessed with everything associated with Dre and Death Row that you've lost your common sense.
LOL...so when Pac reps Cali, it makes him west coast, but DOC hollerin "west coast" throughout his tracks doesnt make him west coast? check urself, son. even if thats a remix, DOC was still hollerin "west coast" on many different tracks, reppin the west to the fullest. and like other dude said, even "Helter Skelter", which wasn't produced by Dre, was pure G-Funk....u really need 2 check urself, son. u been makin very little sense in this section, real spit.
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same thing wit "Lifestyles of da poor & dangerouz".. it was a great album from the get-go, and it became a calssic a few yrs later (by that time, Big L had died,, n if duke wouldve been alive later it still would be classic)
If Big L was alive he'd be yet another underappreciated lyricist who never made it (aka joined Slaughterhouse)
Well he signed a deal with Jay-Z on Rocafella just before he died, so I doubt he would have 'never made it'. He was on the verge of making it when he was murdered.
He didn't actually sign the deal with the roc but it was a possibility
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same thing wit "Lifestyles of da poor & dangerouz".. it was a great album from the get-go, and it became a calssic a few yrs later (by that time, Big L had died,, n if duke wouldve been alive later it still would be classic)
If Big L was alive he'd be yet another underappreciated lyricist who never made it (aka joined Slaughterhouse)
Well he signed a deal with Jay-Z on Rocafella just before he died, so I doubt he would have 'never made it'. He was on the verge of making it when he was murdered.
and on top of that, Jay-Z jocked a good portion of his steez from Big L...Big L was 10x the rapper Jay-Z was, and if he were still alive, best believe he'd be sitting up there with Jay.
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same thing wit "Lifestyles of da poor & dangerouz".. it was a great album from the get-go, and it became a calssic a few yrs later (by that time, Big L had died,, n if duke wouldve been alive later it still would be classic)
No way. It got hyped because of his death. This album came out in 1995 and no one was talking about it. Not even years after, until white people hyped up his death on the internet. Do you really think they would have done that if he was still alive?
If Big L was alive he'd be yet another underappreciated lyricist who never made it (aka joined Slaughterhouse)
come on now, Rapsodie.. "lifestylez ov da poor n dagerous" made its mark, when it came out in 95.. it didnt reach the typical "become-famous-after-death"-status till later, but it had a great reception,, especially in the east (not commericaly, but generally wit listenres & the hiphop/cd-audience of its time). it was raved about, no doubt.. n then Dame Dash came wit the singnin papers for Roc-a-fella --- n dont forget about the successors - Jay-Z, Ma$e, Children Of teh Corn, Harlem World, D.I.T.C. all of that.. Big L is acknowledged as one of the greatest, n rightfully so
but yea, the white internet-kids boosted his name up
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D.O.C. is from Texas, nuthin country about him tho.. dude was breaded in the west, just like Lady Of Rage was breaded in the east
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same thing wit "Lifestyles of da poor & dangerouz".. it was a great album from the get-go, and it became a calssic a few yrs later (by that time, Big L had died,, n if duke wouldve been alive later it still would be classic)
No way. It got hyped because of his death. This album came out in 1995 and no one was talking about it. Not even years after, until white people hyped up his death on the internet. Do you really think they would have done that if he was still alive?
If Big L was alive he'd be yet another underappreciated lyricist who never made it (aka joined Slaughterhouse)
come on now, Rapsodie.. "lifestylez ov da poor n dagerous" made its mark, when it came out in 95.. it didnt reach the typical "become-famous-after-death"-status till later, but it had a great reception,, especially in the east (not commericaly, but generally wit listenres & the hiphop/cd-audience of its time). it was raved about, no doubt.. n then Dame Dash came wit the singnin papers for Roc-a-fella --- n dont forget about the successors - Jay-Z, Ma$e, Children Of teh Corn, Harlem World, D.I.T.C. all of that.. Big L is acknowledged as one of the greatest, n rightfully so
but yea, the white internet-kids boosted his name up
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D.O.C. is from Texas, nuthin country about him tho.. dude was breaded in the west, just like Lady Of Rage was breaded in the east
yet Lady of Rage is still considered west coast..
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LOL...so when Pac reps Cali, it makes him west coast, but DOC hollerin "west coast" throughout his tracks doesnt make him west coast? check urself, son. even if thats a remix, DOC was still hollerin "west coast" on many different tracks, reppin the west to the fullest. and like other dude said, even "Helter Skelter", which wasn't produced by Dre, was pure G-Funk....u really need 2 check urself, son. u been makin very little sense in this section, real spit.
Smh. The lyrics for Helter Skelter were for the Dr. Dre and Ice Cube reunion project and Doc released the project on his own to get back at Dre. And a fail on your part since the album was recorded in....guess where? Texas. Since Doc went back HOME after the fallout with Dre. Face it, the only reason Doc goes to Cali is to fuck with Dre.
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come on now, Rapsodie.. "lifestylez ov da poor n dagerous" made its mark, when it came out in 95.. it didnt reach the typical "become-famous-after-death"-status till later, but it had a great reception,, especially in the east (not commericaly, but generally wit listenres & the hiphop/cd-audience of its time). it was raved about, no doubt.. n then Dame Dash came wit the singnin papers for Roc-a-fella --- n dont forget about the successors - Jay-Z, Ma$e, Children Of teh Corn, Harlem World, D.I.T.C. all of that.. Big L is acknowledged as one of the greatest, n rightfully so
Yes, it was well-received, like many other albums that aren't classics. The fact is no one was talking about this album until his death 4 years later. Death was the best thing that ever happened to Big L's rap career.
and lol the hip hop/cd audience wasn't close to raving over this album. How could they? No one bought it.
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LOL...so when Pac reps Cali, it makes him west coast, but DOC hollerin "west coast" throughout his tracks doesnt make him west coast? check urself, son. even if thats a remix, DOC was still hollerin "west coast" on many different tracks, reppin the west to the fullest. and like other dude said, even "Helter Skelter", which wasn't produced by Dre, was pure G-Funk....u really need 2 check urself, son. u been makin very little sense in this section, real spit.
Smh. The lyrics for Helter Skelter were for the Dr. Dre and Ice Cube reunion project and Doc released the project on his own to get back at Dre. And a fail on your part since the album was recorded in....guess where? Texas. Since Doc went back HOME after the fallout with Dre. Face it, the only reason Doc goes to Cali is to fuck with Dre.
yet he still claims west coast. slap yaself.
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the muthafucka has a song called "West Coast":
http://www.youtube.com/v/NFMwcuy0Fxs
lol, that ain't a official song, it's a remix someone made up.
Go look up D.O.C. "The Shit" from his album "Deuce".
To me "No One Can Do It Better" is the best album of all time, period. But it doesn't sound very "westcoast" to me, even tho' the full thing is produced by Dre and therefore it could still be considered "WestCoast" to me.. His second album "Helter Skelter" on the other hand got a very "westcoast g-funk" sound on the whole thing.. even tho' hardly anybody from the West worked on it.. both classic albums tho'.
LMAO...who gives a fuck if thats a remix, dude is hollerin "West Coast" throughout the whole track. lemme guess, that was remixed in there too? come on, now...anyone who doesnt consider DOC west coast needs 2 slap theyself.
Yes, it is. Haven't you heard The Game's "California Vacation"?
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come on now, Rapsodie.. "lifestylez ov da poor n dagerous" made its mark, when it came out in 95.. it didnt reach the typical "become-famous-after-death"-status till later, but it had a great reception,, especially in the east (not commericaly, but generally wit listenres & the hiphop/cd-audience of its time). it was raved about, no doubt.. n then Dame Dash came wit the singnin papers for Roc-a-fella --- n dont forget about the successors - Jay-Z, Ma$e, Children Of teh Corn, Harlem World, D.I.T.C. all of that.. Big L is acknowledged as one of the greatest, n rightfully so
Yes, it was well-received, like many other albums that aren't classics. The fact is no one was talking about this album until his death 4 years later. Death was the best thing that ever happened to Big L's rap career.
and lol the hip hop/cd audience wasn't close to raving over this album. How could they? No one bought it.
not true, the album was wellrecieed in hiphop-circles n everybody bought it. it was dropped back in d days,when The Source was the bible, n heads were buyin hiphop-albums dependin on how many mics an album would recieve.
not a classic, till after his death,,, but if dude woldve been alive,, it still be classic. a "classic" becomes a "classic" later,, it wouldve been so wit or without the death,, cuz it was always a terrific work of art in its own right,,
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the muthafucka has a song called "West Coast":
http://www.youtube.com/v/NFMwcuy0Fxs
lol, that ain't a official song, it's a remix someone made up.
Go look up D.O.C. "The Shit" from his album "Deuce".
To me "No One Can Do It Better" is the best album of all time, period. But it doesn't sound very "westcoast" to me, even tho' the full thing is produced by Dre and therefore it could still be considered "WestCoast" to me.. His second album "Helter Skelter" on the other hand got a very "westcoast g-funk" sound on the whole thing.. even tho' hardly anybody from the West worked on it.. both classic albums tho'.
LMAO...who gives a fuck if thats a remix, dude is hollerin "West Coast" throughout the whole track. lemme guess, that was remixed in there too? come on, now...anyone who doesnt consider DOC west coast needs 2 slap theyself.
Yes, it is. Haven't you heard The Game's "California Vacation"?
dude, do u even understand what i'm sayin? lol...i dont care where the verses are from, DOC is hollerin "west coast", that cant be fake. it's him sayin it. i dont care where it's originally from, fact of the mattter is, he still claim the west n will always be considered west coast rap ala kurupt, pac, rage etc.
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dude, do u even understand what i'm sayin? lol...i dont care where the verses are from, DOC is hollerin "west coast", that cant be fake. it's him sayin it. i dont care where it's originally from, fact of the mattter is, he still claim the west n will always be considered west coast rap ala kurupt, pac, rage etc.
I agree with you, i consider The D.O.C. to be West Coast but that's not DOC hollerin' "West Coast" on the song. Listen to "California Vacation" and you'll know what i'm talkin' about.
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dude, do u even understand what i'm sayin? lol...i dont care where the verses are from, DOC is hollerin "west coast", that cant be fake. it's him sayin it. i dont care where it's originally from, fact of the mattter is, he still claim the west n will always be considered west coast rap ala kurupt, pac, rage etc.
I agree with you, i consider The D.O.C. to be West Coast but that's not DOC hollerin' "West Coast" on the song. Listen to "California Vacation" and you'll know what i'm talkin' about.
what are u talkin about? his opening lines are "i'm a westside hustler"....he's clearly reppin the west on the track.
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dude, do u even understand what i'm sayin? lol...i dont care where the verses are from, DOC is hollerin "west coast", that cant be fake. it's him sayin it. i dont care where it's originally from, fact of the mattter is, he still claim the west n will always be considered west coast rap ala kurupt, pac, rage etc.
I agree with you, i consider The D.O.C. to be West Coast but that's not DOC hollerin' "West Coast" on the song. Listen to "California Vacation" and you'll know what i'm talkin' about.
what are u talkin about? his opening lines are "i'm a westside hustler"....he's clearly reppin the west on the track.
I'm not tryin' to argue with you, don't you understand. I thought you were talkin' about the "West Coast" shit that Game is yellin' on the original song and it's also on the background on that fanmade mix.
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was wellrecieed in hiphop-circles n everybody bought it. it was dropped back in d days,when The Source was the bible, n heads were buyin hiphop-albums dependin on how many mics an album would recieve.
not a classic, till after his death,,, but if dude woldve been alive,, it still be classic. a "classic" becomes a "classic" later,, it wouldve been so wit or without the death,, cuz it was always a terrific work of art in its own right,,
The album failed horribly on a commercial level. You can't debate that, its common knowledge. If heads were buying the album then it would have sold decently at least.
You're arguing based off of fan delusion. His death was the catalyst that hyped the album up 5 years later. If he were still alive that never would have happened. Anyone should be able to see that.
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dude, do u even understand what i'm sayin? lol...i dont care where the verses are from, DOC is hollerin "west coast", that cant be fake. it's him sayin it. i dont care where it's originally from, fact of the mattter is, he still claim the west n will always be considered west coast rap ala kurupt, pac, rage etc.
I agree with you, i consider The D.O.C. to be West Coast but that's not DOC hollerin' "West Coast" on the song. Listen to "California Vacation" and you'll know what i'm talkin' about.
what are u talkin about? his opening lines are "i'm a westside hustler"....he's clearly reppin the west on the track.
I'm not tryin' to argue with you, don't you understand. I thought you were talkin' about the "West Coast" shit that Game is yellin' on the original song and it's also on the background on that fanmade mix.
my whole point was that DOC is claimin "west" on the track.......LOL
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I was surprised to hear that he wrote Nexxt Episode. I was sure Dre wrote those cuz i actually thought the lyrics were soooo wack on that song