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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: OG Hack Wilson on October 18, 2009, 12:00:21 PM
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this is going to be the 4 PM game on here
yuck
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u already know new england got this
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u already know new england got this
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if New England takes this they better win like 9-0 lol.
gives the Gostowski 3 FG's & the Tennesse defense some fantasy points.
Collins better have a good game too lol.
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Well the weathers real shitty right now here so it should be low scoring. Wind and freezing rain.
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lol we're gonna get embarrassed
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lol we're gonna get embarrassed
i predict that Faulk/Morris/Maroney combine for 150 yards and 2 TDs
brady throws maybe 2 TDs
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our wr suck dick
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I live 10-15 minutes south of Gillette and its not snowing. Weird.
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lmao @ the Titans
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titans are gay
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that rookie secondary is a joke
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what happened to the titans D?
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did i not tell you guys this offense was going to get it together & turn scary?
niggas, don't want to listen. :-X
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did i not tell you guys this offense was going to get it together & turn scary?
niggas, don't want to listen. :-X
there's still better offenses out there
like the Saints, Colts, Giants and Viqueens
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and BTW chaiml they're playing the 0-6 titans with a rookie secondary
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and BTW chaiml they're playing the 0-6 titans with a rookie secondary
but the Giants can beat up on the Cheifs, Raiders, Redskins & Bucs & they are still elite?
Saints are the best offense though, no question.
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and BTW chaiml they're playing the 0-6 titans with a rookie secondary
but the Giants can beat up on the Cheifs, Raiders, Redskins & Bucs & they are still elite?
Saints are the best offense though, no question.
the giants have one of the best running games and one of the best passing games
the pats have a great passing game but their running game is not impressive
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Brady is 18/19 301YDS 4TDs 0INTs in the 1st half in the snow :o
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Brady is 18/19 301YDS 4TDs 0INTs in the 1st half in the snow :o
& people try to tell me he isn't out of this world! :laugh:
and BTW chaiml they're playing the 0-6 titans with a rookie secondary
but the Giants can beat up on the Cheifs, Raiders, Redskins & Bucs & they are still elite?
Saints are the best offense though, no question.
the giants have one of the best running games and one of the best passing games
the pats have a great passing game but their running game is not impressive
which is why Brady is so impressive, he does it without the threat of a running back.
in my honest opinion though, i think Bradshaw is getting better than Jacobs. sick backfield. :o
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LOL, the Titians should just sit the rest of the season out.
0-16 is in their near future. :laugh:
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will the Titans win any games this year?
atleast Oakland's defense is trying
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hey titans
TRY COVERING WES WELKER
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we wont go 0-16. The 2nd half schedule is pretty favorable.
This rookie secondary is a friggin joke
345 pass yards, 5 td's, 45-0 in the first half. I don't think I've ever witnessed a game this bad. Worst game in Titans history
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has there every been a forfeit in an NFL game?
the Pats will score at least 70 if they don't throw in the towel lol.
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we wont go 0-16. The 2nd half schedule is pretty favorable.
This rookie secondary is a friggin joke
345 pass yards, 5 td's, 45-0 in the first half. I don't think I've ever witnessed a game this bad. Worst game in Titans history
and brady is staying in for the 2nd half
lmao
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i would do that 2
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we wont go 0-16. The 2nd half schedule is pretty favorable.
This rookie secondary is a friggin joke
345 pass yards, 5 td's, 45-0 in the first half. I don't think I've ever witnessed a game this bad. Worst game in Titans history
and brady is staying in for the 2nd half
lmao
He plays one more down and I was Jeff Fisher, I'd call for his knee. This isn't the Redskins and Joe Gibb who called you a cheaters. This is the down and out Titans, going nowhere, just want the game to end. Keeping your first team out there now is a disgrace to the game. The Titans clearly did not come to play. They are covering no one, and even more useless on offense.
And whoever said NE doesn't have a run threat doesn't understand that there short pass is their run threat.
edit - It's nice to see Bill showing some long overdue class.
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we wont go 0-16. The 2nd half schedule is pretty favorable.
This rookie secondary is a friggin joke
345 pass yards, 5 td's, 45-0 in the first half. I don't think I've ever witnessed a game this bad. Worst game in Titans history
and brady is staying in for the 2nd half
lmao
He plays one more down and I was Jeff Fisher, I'd call for his knee. This isn't the Redskins and Joe Gibb who called you a cheaters. This is the down and out Titans, going nowhere, just want the game to end. Keeping your first team out there now is a disgrace to the game. The Titans clearly did not come to play. They are covering no one, and even more useless on offense.
And whoever said NE doesn't have a run threat doesn't understand that there short pass is their run threat.
edit - It's nice to see Bill showing some long overdue class.
i wouldca called for his knees when he came out in the 3rd quarter
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we wont go 0-16. The 2nd half schedule is pretty favorable.
This rookie secondary is a friggin joke
345 pass yards, 5 td's, 45-0 in the first half. I don't think I've ever witnessed a game this bad. Worst game in Titans history
and brady is staying in for the 2nd half
lmao
He plays one more down and I was Jeff Fisher, I'd call for his knee. This isn't the Redskins and Joe Gibb who called you a cheaters. This is the down and out Titans, going nowhere, just want the game to end. Keeping your first team out there now is a disgrace to the game. The Titans clearly did not come to play. They are covering no one, and even more useless on offense.
And whoever said NE doesn't have a run threat doesn't understand that there short pass is their run threat.
edit - It's nice to see Bill showing some long overdue class.
i wouldca called for his knees when he came out in the 3rd quarter
& i would have called for the MVP chants if Drew Brees wasn't such an animal. ;D
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59-0 and it COULD BE 62-0
jesus
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ladies and gentlemen: nate washington has -22 yards recieving
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This very well could be the biggest ass kicking in NFL history.
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This very well could be the biggest ass kicking in NFL history.
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the Redskins beat the Bears 73-0 in a championship game once lol
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Titans were pathetic today
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Titans were pathetic today
the eagles were pathetic
the titans are piss poor
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the Redskins beat the Bears 73-0 in a championship game once lol
I don't know, it's still pretty close. The Titans had -7 yards passing. That's right NEGATIVE 7 yards passing. haha
They probably could have won this game by 80 if they kept their foot on the pedal.
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the Redskins beat the Bears 73-0 in a championship game once lol
I don't know, it's still pretty close. The Titans had -7 yards passing. That's right NEGATIVE 7 yards passing. haha
They probably could have won this game by 80 if they kept their foot on the pedal.
73-0 > 59-0
i'm pretty sure that math is correct :D
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imagine Brady stayed in the whole game. :laugh:
we could have witnessed like 92-0. ;D
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we wont go 0-16. The 2nd half schedule is pretty favorable.
This rookie secondary is a friggin joke
345 pass yards, 5 td's, 45-0 in the first half. I don't think I've ever witnessed a game this bad. Worst game in Titans history
and brady is staying in for the 2nd half
lmao
He plays one more down and I was Jeff Fisher, I'd call for his knee. This isn't the Redskins and Joe Gibb who called you a cheaters. This is the down and out Titans, going nowhere, just want the game to end. Keeping your first team out there now is a disgrace to the game. The Titans clearly did not come to play. They are covering no one, and even more useless on offense.
And whoever said NE doesn't have a run threat doesn't understand that there short pass is their run threat.
edit - It's nice to see Bill showing some long overdue class.
i wouldca called for his knees when he came out in the 3rd quarter
& i would have called for the MVP chants if Drew Brees wasn't such an animal. ;D
Manning's outplaying both so far, so i don't know where you get that. Brees had no pressure on him today, and the Giants were playing shitty offense. The Titans are the Titans, and were extra bad today. Down for down this season so far Manning's still the MVP.
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we wont go 0-16. The 2nd half schedule is pretty favorable.
This rookie secondary is a friggin joke
345 pass yards, 5 td's, 45-0 in the first half. I don't think I've ever witnessed a game this bad. Worst game in Titans history
and brady is staying in for the 2nd half
lmao
He plays one more down and I was Jeff Fisher, I'd call for his knee. This isn't the Redskins and Joe Gibb who called you a cheaters. This is the down and out Titans, going nowhere, just want the game to end. Keeping your first team out there now is a disgrace to the game. The Titans clearly did not come to play. They are covering no one, and even more useless on offense.
And whoever said NE doesn't have a run threat doesn't understand that there short pass is their run threat.
edit - It's nice to see Bill showing some long overdue class.
i wouldca called for his knees when he came out in the 3rd quarter
& i would have called for the MVP chants if Drew Brees wasn't such an animal. ;D
Manning's outplaying both so far, so i don't know where you get that. Brees had no pressure on him today, and the Giants were playing shitty offense. The Titans are the Titans, and were extra bad today. Down for down this season so far Manning's still the MVP.
so what you're saying is, since Drew Brees played great against a 5-0 team, it doesn't really count because they couldn't contain him?
& i said that the Pats offense was going to turn around, this was a good game for them their offense; come week 14, we all may have different ideas on MVPs.
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we wont go 0-16. The 2nd half schedule is pretty favorable.
This rookie secondary is a friggin joke
345 pass yards, 5 td's, 45-0 in the first half. I don't think I've ever witnessed a game this bad. Worst game in Titans history
and brady is staying in for the 2nd half
lmao
He plays one more down and I was Jeff Fisher, I'd call for his knee. This isn't the Redskins and Joe Gibb who called you a cheaters. This is the down and out Titans, going nowhere, just want the game to end. Keeping your first team out there now is a disgrace to the game. The Titans clearly did not come to play. They are covering no one, and even more useless on offense.
And whoever said NE doesn't have a run threat doesn't understand that there short pass is their run threat.
edit - It's nice to see Bill showing some long overdue class.
i wouldca called for his knees when he came out in the 3rd quarter
& i would have called for the MVP chants if Drew Brees wasn't such an animal. ;D
Manning's outplaying both so far, so i don't know where you get that. Brees had no pressure on him today, and the Giants were playing shitty offense. The Titans are the Titans, and were extra bad today. Down for down this season so far Manning's still the MVP.
so what you're saying is, since Drew Brees played great against a 5-0 team, it doesn't really count because they couldn't contain him?
& i said that the Pats offense was going to turn around, this was a good game for them their offense; come week 14, we all may have different ideas on MVPs.
Maybe so, but as of now it's still Manning, because he's had to do it under bad circumstances. He's had less time in the pocket, and less time in general to make the plays and he's made more and better ones. The Pats haven't turned around yet. They just beat up on the Titans. I say this, and I'm not joking, the Pats would have won that game if I was playing QB. 4 of the 6 TDs were I could have thrown, maybe a 5th, because I can bullet a 9 yarder to Moss's back no problem.
About Brees, I'm saying is that so far this year he's played much worse against not very good D's, like Buffalo, than Manning has, so Manning is still MVP. Brees is #2, Brady isn't in the running yet. They've got TB next week and that could be another big game for him, but after the bye they have Miami twice, Indy, the Jets, and the Saints. They could very well be 1 and 5 after that stretch. They run that table there then Brady will be in the running for sure. But if Philly can lose to Oakland, NE can lose to TB, especially if they get cocky now.
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the score reminds me of a college football game sad
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the score reminds me of a college football game sad
The Vols would have had a better shot at winning than the Titans did.
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the score reminds me of a college football game sad
The Vols would have had a better shot at winning than the Titans did.
the same Titans team that Manning beat up last week? ;D
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once the titans saw snow they prettymuch decided to quit lol
what a bunch of talentless pussies
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^definitely not talentless or pussies. Good time to go into the bye week. Many things have to be worked out.
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^definitely not talentless or pussies. Good time to go into the bye week. Many things have to be worked out.
well what DO y ou call a team that gets beat up 59-0?? heartless? spineless? gutless?
either way Luna what do the Titans need to do with thier top 5 pick next year??? i say get a WR that can stretch the field....but they really need a QB
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the score reminds me of a college football game sad
The Vols would have had a better shot at winning than the Titans did.
the same Titans team that Manning beat up last week? ;D
97 Manning and the Vols could have beaten the Titans today. And where did I praise anything Manning did last week? It's a shitty team this year, with an even shittier pass D. What Manning did in Miami is the reason he's ahead of the other QBs this year so far. Brees or Brady have not, EVER in their careers, pulled one out of the hat like that one.
For the record; the titans were worse this week than last week. 5 turnovers, 3 in one quarter, and they had to play in the snow, not at home.
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the score reminds me of a college football game sad
The Vols would have had a better shot at winning than the Titans did.
the same Titans team that Manning beat up last week? ;D
97 Manning and the Vols could have beaten the Titans today. And where did I praise anything Manning did last week? It's a shitty team this year, with an even shittier pass D. What Manning did in Miami is the reason he's ahead of the other QBs this year so far. Brees or Brady have not, EVER in their careers, pulled one out of the hat like that one.
For the record; the titans were worse this week than last week. 5 turnovers, 3 in one quarter, and they had to play in the snow, not at home.
who needs week 2 wins when when you could be winning Super Bowls? ;D
^definitely not talentless or pussies. Good time to go into the bye week. Many things have to be worked out.
well what DO y ou call a team that gets beat up 59-0?? heartless? spineless? gutless?
either way Luna what do the Titans need to do with thier top 5 pick next year??? i say get a WR that can stretch the field....but they really need a QB
they should just draft Colt McCoy or Sam Bradford & trade Collins or Young or both for something.
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^definitely not talentless or pussies. Good time to go into the bye week. Many things have to be worked out.
well what DO y ou call a team that gets beat up 59-0?? heartless? spineless? gutless?
either way Luna what do the Titans need to do with thier top 5 pick next year??? i say get a WR that can stretch the field....but they really need a QB
This game doesn't reflect our team. 0-6 doesn't even reflect our team. No way we should be winless. No Jeff Fisher team is heartless, spineless or gutless. They need to draft a Lineman or LB. They have about $30 million dedicated to QB's next year; Collins/Young will have one last shot, I think.
1st round pick definitely needs to go to defense with these aging, starting veterans: Vanden Bosch, Harper, Bulluck, Kearse (although hasn't started last 2 games), and Thornton. All of those are FA except Thornton. Tony Brown is a FA 2. A Lineman or LB will get drafted.
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the score reminds me of a college football game sad
The Vols would have had a better shot at winning than the Titans did.
the same Titans team that Manning beat up last week? ;D
97 Manning and the Vols could have beaten the Titans today. And where did I praise anything Manning did last week? It's a shitty team this year, with an even shittier pass D. What Manning did in Miami is the reason he's ahead of the other QBs this year so far. Brees or Brady have not, EVER in their careers, pulled one out of the hat like that one.
For the record; the titans were worse this week than last week. 5 turnovers, 3 in one quarter, and they had to play in the snow, not at home.
who needs week 2 wins when when you could be winning Super Bowls? ;D
^definitely not talentless or pussies. Good time to go into the bye week. Many things have to be worked out.
well what DO y ou call a team that gets beat up 59-0?? heartless? spineless? gutless?
either way Luna what do the Titans need to do with thier top 5 pick next year??? i say get a WR that can stretch the field....but they really need a QB
they should just draft Colt McCoy or Sam Bradford & trade Collins or Young or both for something.
Put Manning on the Pats from '98 to now and you won't be able to fit the rings on one hand. Put Brady on the Colts in '01 and he's benched mid season, cut in the off-season and hoping for a backup job the rest of his career. That's the difference in the QBs. Manning is like Bret Favre and Johnny Unitas. Brady is like Bart Starr and Troy Aikman. On one side you have amazing QBs with only 1 or two rings but would have been among the greats no matter where they played. On the other side you have QBs whose greatness completely reliant on the greatness of the team. If Buddy Ryan stayed in Chicago, Jim McMahon may have had 3 or 4 rings. Big fucking deal. Brady never even gets 29 with Wayne and Harrison, and Peyton makes about 60 with Moss and Welker.
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put Manning on a Bill Belichick team and watch them win 5+ rings from 2001-2008
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the score reminds me of a college football game sad
The Vols would have had a better shot at winning than the Titans did.
the same Titans team that Manning beat up last week? ;D
97 Manning and the Vols could have beaten the Titans today. And where did I praise anything Manning did last week? It's a shitty team this year, with an even shittier pass D. What Manning did in Miami is the reason he's ahead of the other QBs this year so far. Brees or Brady have not, EVER in their careers, pulled one out of the hat like that one.
For the record; the titans were worse this week than last week. 5 turnovers, 3 in one quarter, and they had to play in the snow, not at home.
who needs week 2 wins when when you could be winning Super Bowls? ;D
^definitely not talentless or pussies. Good time to go into the bye week. Many things have to be worked out.
well what DO y ou call a team that gets beat up 59-0?? heartless? spineless? gutless?
either way Luna what do the Titans need to do with thier top 5 pick next year??? i say get a WR that can stretch the field....but they really need a QB
they should just draft Colt McCoy or Sam Bradford & trade Collins or Young or both for something.
Put Manning on the Pats from '98 to now and you won't be able to fit the rings on one hand. Put Brady on the Colts in '01 and he's benched mid season, cut in the off-season and hoping for a backup job the rest of his career. That's the difference in the QBs. Manning is like Bret Favre and Johnny Unitas. Brady is like Bart Starr and Troy Aikman. On one side you have amazing QBs with only 1 or two rings but would have been among the greats no matter where they played. On the other side you have QBs whose greatness completely reliant on the greatness of the team. If Buddy Ryan stayed in Chicago, Jim McMahon may have had 3 or 4 rings. Big fucking deal. Brady never even gets 29 with Wayne and Harrison, and Peyton makes about 60 with Moss and Welker.
& Dan Marino or John Elway would have 6 with the Pats team too; we could say that about anyone lol.
but whether it was Joe Namath, Elway or even Peyton Manning, if he was a Patriot, won the rings by "cheating" & ran the Belichick "short pass" offense you would still be in this thread today saying how "whoever" aren't as good as "so & so" & "so & so" could do a better job than the Patriots QB.
put Manning on a Bill Belichick team and watch them win 5+ rings from 2001-2008
my point is put Peyton on the Pats & you guys would shit on him too just because he's a Pat. :laugh:
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the score reminds me of a college football game sad
The Vols would have had a better shot at winning than the Titans did.
the same Titans team that Manning beat up last week? ;D
97 Manning and the Vols could have beaten the Titans today. And where did I praise anything Manning did last week? It's a shitty team this year, with an even shittier pass D. What Manning did in Miami is the reason he's ahead of the other QBs this year so far. Brees or Brady have not, EVER in their careers, pulled one out of the hat like that one.
For the record; the titans were worse this week than last week. 5 turnovers, 3 in one quarter, and they had to play in the snow, not at home.
who needs week 2 wins when when you could be winning Super Bowls? ;D
^definitely not talentless or pussies. Good time to go into the bye week. Many things have to be worked out.
well what DO y ou call a team that gets beat up 59-0?? heartless? spineless? gutless?
either way Luna what do the Titans need to do with thier top 5 pick next year??? i say get a WR that can stretch the field....but they really need a QB
they should just draft Colt McCoy or Sam Bradford & trade Collins or Young or both for something.
Put Manning on the Pats from '98 to now and you won't be able to fit the rings on one hand. Put Brady on the Colts in '01 and he's benched mid season, cut in the off-season and hoping for a backup job the rest of his career. That's the difference in the QBs. Manning is like Bret Favre and Johnny Unitas. Brady is like Bart Starr and Troy Aikman. On one side you have amazing QBs with only 1 or two rings but would have been among the greats no matter where they played. On the other side you have QBs whose greatness completely reliant on the greatness of the team. If Buddy Ryan stayed in Chicago, Jim McMahon may have had 3 or 4 rings. Big fucking deal. Brady never even gets 29 with Wayne and Harrison, and Peyton makes about 60 with Moss and Welker.
& Dan Marino or John Elway would have 6 with the Pats team too; we could say that about anyone lol.
but whether it was Joe Namath, Elway or even Peyton Manning, if he was a Patriot, won the rings by "cheating" & ran the Belichick "short pass" offense you would still be in this thread today saying how "whoever" aren't as good as "so & so" & "so & so" could do a better job than the Patriots QB.
put Manning on a Bill Belichick team and watch them win 5+ rings from 2001-2008
my point is put Peyton on the Pats & you guys would shit on him too just because he's a Pat. :laugh:
I don't hate the Pats. I cheered like hell for them last year. My problem is with Brady and his pseudo-greatness. I've also never once faulted them for "cheating", and Favre also played Westcoast, short pass system, but he had the talent to throw everywhere and throw it well everywhere. Brady doesn't.
I've also never said Manning was better than Marino or Elway. But you saying the Pats would have 6 rings with either of them shows me you too agree that Brady is step below the true greats. Marino's on those Cowboys and they go 4 straight and maybe a 5th later on. Aikman and Brady are on teams that make them a level better. Marino and Peyton makes teams a level better.
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^in every single sport, if you are the better player on your team, you are judged with the greats by the number of rings you have.
if Kobe never won any rings, the comparison to Jordan would never even come.
Baseball is the only sport that you can go down as an all time great & never win a ring.
if Marino could have won 3-4 rings, he would be the best or second best to Montana, but since he lacks them, other people who have won them are brought into the conversation over him.
would i say Brady is a top 5 QB ever? no. would i even say Brady is hands down the best QB today? no, Peyton is probably the better pure QB. but you guys make him out to be some second rate QB who doesn't deserve a job in the NFL lol.
the man throws for 53 (right?) touchdowns in a single season & that's just luck or something?
i have to admit, i am a little biased towards not liking Peyton Manning. Tom Brady gets Randy Moss & does what he did & it's "because of Randy Moss, otherwise he couldn't do it". where if Peyton did that it would be, "well as you can see he has taken Dallas Clark, Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne & Anthony Gonzales (obviously not talking about this season) & he turned them into amazing recievers, because he is THAT good".
when in reality he had probably the best recieving core in Football, but it's all Peyton, because Peyton does it.
point is, Peyton is the best. yeah, we get it. no thanks to his recievers, but all him. but Brady may not be as skilled as some of the greatest of all time, but he should be considered one of greatest because he is a winner. you hand Rex Grossman the team & you never win the Superbowl, Brady can get it done; plus he is clutch when it counts.
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^in every single sport, if you are the better player on your team, you are judged with the greats by the number of rings you have.
if Kobe never won any rings, the comparison to Jordan would never even come.
Baseball is the only sport that you can go down as an all time great & never win a ring.
if Marino could have won 3-4 rings, he would be the best or second best to Montana, but since he lacks them, other people who have won them are brought into the conversation over him.
would i say Brady is a top 5 QB ever? no. would i even say Brady is hands down the best QB today? no, Peyton is probably the better pure QB. but you guys make him out to be some second rate QB who doesn't deserve a job in the NFL lol.
the man throws for 53 (right?) touchdowns in a single season & that's just luck or something?
i have to admit, i am a little biased towards not liking Peyton Manning. Tom Brady gets Randy Moss & does what he did & it's "because of Randy Moss, otherwise he couldn't do it". where if Peyton did that it would be, "well as you can see he has taken Dallas Clark, Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne & Anthony Gonzales (obviously not talking about this season) & he turned them into amazing recievers, because he is THAT good".
when in reality he had probably the best recieving core in Football, but it's all Peyton, because Peyton does it.
point is, Peyton is the best. yeah, we get it. no thanks to his recievers, but all him. but Brady may not be as skilled as some of the greatest of all time, but he should be considered one of greatest because he is a winner. you hand Rex Grossman the team & you never win the Superbowl, Brady can get it done; plus he is clutch when it counts.
1 - Marino gets three of 4 rings and he blows Montana out of the convo. I like Joe Cool but they never lost a step after he left. Miami still can't find a QB to replace Dan. Marino is still argued as the best all time. Ring or not. The only guys that get mentioned above him in argument are Montana, Favre, and Unitas. When as anyone ever said Bradshaw was better than Marino?
2. Basketball is a sport where one guy can control a team on both sides of the ball. Football is not. That's why Barry Sanders is still argued as the best RB ever and has no rings on his hand. Anyone that thinks the Cowboys would have lost any of those SBs with out Emmit and Sanders instead should be committed to an asylum. If either Sanders replaced Smith or Marino replaced Aikman those Cowboys would have been 4 straight champs, and if both Sanders and Marino were on those Cowboys teams they've have had 5 or 6 Rings each. And no one argues Bart Starr as the best ever and he has like 5 rings. Seymour, Bruschii, and a few others all have 3 rings each. Why aren't they mentioned as the absolute best ever in their positions and get shoved down our throats?
3. The answer to that is marketing. The football sells the game with QBs and stories. Tom Brady is a bona fide star and it hurts the league if they speak out against him. Big Ben played like shit that first year Pit won, especially in that game but no one goes out of the way to say that. They protect their QBs off the field just as much as on the field in the NFL. It would make no sense for the NFL, or anyone related to the NFL to say Brady is a system guy that wouldn't have a job today if he started with the Bills. No one wants to hear that. They want a rivalry, and Manning vs Brady is just that, even though it isn't. If it was really Manning vs Brady they've have a exhibition game where each QB plays with the same team against the same defense with the same OC and then we'd see who performs better for real. It'd be Manning every time.
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joe montana > steve young > dan marino
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joe montana > steve young > dan marino
Joey is first. ;D
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joe montana > steve young > dan marino
Joey is first. ;D
well i know ur a football stat guy and stats say Young as better
but ill take the only 3 time Superbowl MVP in NFL history
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joe montana > steve young > dan marino
Joey is first. ;D
well i know ur a football stat guy and stats say Young as better
but ill take the only 3 time Superbowl MVP in NFL history
i'd say rings count for something. ;D
there is some kind of aura behind Montana, which just makes him the best.
Young was unreal though; Sean Hill needs to pick up the slack. :D
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joe montana > steve young > dan marino
You think Dan Marino never would have won an SB playing on the 9ers in the 90s? C'mon, Young is proof that he can't cut it on bad teams. Marino played on some stinker Fins teams and still excelled. I disagree with the Montana argument, but I understand it. I don't understand anyone saying Young over Marino.
And Cham, that aura is called nostalgia. We're all kids of the 80s. Out first memories of football is watching Montana hold up the trophy and hearing about how he'd held it before. If we were kids of the 50s that aura would have been around Unitas and Joe would have been just another great QB.
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joe montana > steve young > dan marino
Joey is first. ;D
well i know ur a football stat guy and stats say Young as better
but ill take the only 3 time Superbowl MVP in NFL history
i'd say rings count for something. ;D
there is some kind of aura behind Montana, which just makes him the best.
Young was unreal though; Sean Hill needs to pick up the slack. :D
rings = team stat
trent dilfer is better than dan marino or dan foutes?
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I agree about rings not being a factor.If matt cassel had been the qb for patriots instead of brady he would have almost the exact same stats and the same amount of rings.Rings are about the team.Barry sanders was the greatest running back in nfl history but he was never on a good team.
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joe montana > steve young > dan marino
Joey is first. ;D
well i know ur a football stat guy and stats say Young as better
but ill take the only 3 time Superbowl MVP in NFL history
i'd say rings count for something. ;D
there is some kind of aura behind Montana, which just makes him the best.
Young was unreal though; Sean Hill needs to pick up the slack. :D
rings = team stat
trent dilfer is better than dan marino or dan foutes?
No because he played in a different era, but Jim McMahon and Doug Williams shit on Marino and Fouts.
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joe montana > steve young > dan marino
Joey is first. ;D
well i know ur a football stat guy and stats say Young as better
but ill take the only 3 time Superbowl MVP in NFL history
i'd say rings count for something. ;D
there is some kind of aura behind Montana, which just makes him the best.
Young was unreal though; Sean Hill needs to pick up the slack. :D
rings = team stat
trent dilfer is better than dan marino or dan foutes?
speaking of Trent Dilfer, he explained it BEAUTIFULLY one SportsCenter today.
it's a business that is all about winning, when you talk about coaches they are only as good as how many games they win, so QBs should be under the same light.
how can half the time you guys say "it's a team sport" & the other half talk about individual accolades?
FACT, Tom Brady has the most TD's in a half & the most in a single season & has 3 rings. again, FACT!
every other argument in this thread is "blah blah blah IF he was there he WOULD have won blah blah blah".
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joe montana > steve young > dan marino
Joey is first. ;D
well i know ur a football stat guy and stats say Young as better
but ill take the only 3 time Superbowl MVP in NFL history
i'd say rings count for something. ;D
there is some kind of aura behind Montana, which just makes him the best.
Young was unreal though; Sean Hill needs to pick up the slack. :D
rings = team stat
trent dilfer is better than dan marino or dan foutes?
No because he played in a different era, but Jim McMahon and Doug Williams shit on Marino and Fouts.
LOL
go look at doug williams career after that SB game
he's the Aaron Boone of football lol
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i wrote an essay about this game on the titans message board lol
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post it here
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some was due to the immediate and day after anger lol. I didn't mean what I said about CJ or Jake Scott LOL.
I'm fed up of this crap man. This has been the most painful season to watch since I became a Titans fan. Yep, even worse than that 4-12 year when we still had Mcnair, Mason, Rolle, Wycheck, etc. Last night was the worst, most embarrassing football game I've ever watched. We looked like a horrible College team or good high school team at best. I don't care what anyone says, those players weren't ready to play from the beginning. Would have been better if we didn't show up. -7 pass yards? mines will not have thrown a pass and kept it at 0 (better than -7). I had never been embarrassed to be a Titans fan MY ENTIRE life..until last night. That was flat out embarrassing. With that said, I am a die hard titans fan and will remain one for life. This is unbelievable though. What is bothering me the most is I feel like their is no short term fix for this at all.
QB: Collins is a journeyman and is at the end of the road. The WR haven't helped him but he is finished. As for Young, I am a big fan but have a bad feeling he won't turn it around. Will see on him because I'm sure he'll start against the Jags. Fisher sees him everyday in practice though, and I can't help but think he hasn't turned to him for a reason.
HB: Johnson is a home run hitter and one of the best RB in the league. But he seems to have a lot of runs that go for a loss. LenDale White seems to have a serious problem tucking away that ball; so freaking fumble prone. I'll be glad to see him go. Ringer won that 2nd string job for next year in mop up duty.
FB: Hall is solid
WR: A bunch of fumble fingers. They bring in Washington (who was only a #3 in Pittsburgh) and think the problem is fixed. Washington has been ok, but seems to drop passes a lot too; They throw in Britt expecting him to already dominate; give me a break. Gage will make a great catch one play and drop an easy one on the next play.
TE: Scaife is the same as Gage; makes a great catch and then drops an easy one. Crumpler is finished. The promise Cook showed in camp and in pre season hasn't translated one bit. Granted that is (hopefully) due to the injury; because he better freaking pan out since we gave up a 2nd rounder (which will be HIGH) for him.
O-Line: Jake Scott is over rated. Mawae is at the end of his line. Amano is average. Stewart & Ross are the only 100% solid o lineman.
D-Line: Not a single player can get to the damn QB. Vanden Bosch is aging and a free agent after this year. Brown, Jones, Hayes and Ford have their moments; inconsistent though. Haye hasn't shown me a damn thing. Kearse is done. I especially like Brown & Jones, but they don't make a good team; they play at their best when there DT partner is dominating and demanding a double team. Tony Brown isn't good enough to be the #1 DT; he's an EXCELLENT #2 though. Same with Jones.
LB: Bulluck & Thornton are aging and Bulluck probably won't be back; I don't blame him if he doesn't want to be apart of this mess no longer. He's aging but still very solid, and will probably sign with a super bowl contender, as he should. I like Tulloch but seems not a lot of people do, so that may be a problem too, but I wouldn't address MLB (Tulloch)
DB: The lack of depth really killed us as a poster on here guessed it could before the season started. Finnegan is GREAT. Rookies Mouton, McCourty and Williams are as excpected, looked like crap; Mouton was especially horrible last night. Harper is done and has really lost more than one step. Hope has looked average. What the HELL happened to Michel Griffin? Let me quote analyst Jeff Ridson:
"Has any player ever regressed as badly as Titans safety Michael Griffin has from one season to the next? I understand he had little help from his overmatched corners (Ryan Mouton had the mother of all bad days), but a huge part of playing safety is making quick reads and reacting to them. Griffin got caught standing and staring several times by Tom Brady, and that wasn't the first time this year. Not even the 21st time this year...and this guy was in the Pro Bowl last year."
K/P: We're in desperate need of a new P next year.
Special Teams: probably the worst in the league. Another case of "he's too expensive, let him go and will replace him with a diamond in the rough" is the case of lettng Chris Carr go. Carr had us first in the league last year in kick return yardage; we let him go 'cause we're cheap skates, and look at us now :-X
I'm just so fed up. So many damn problems. I really dislike Bud Adams too. Coaching wise, Cecil should definitely be fired. Maybe Heim as well.
I've seen a lot of people calling for the firing of Jeff Fisher. I still stand behind him. He's the highest paid coach in the league for a reason. He has no freaking players. If it was up to me, he stays. if he MUST go, it better be Cowher, Shanahan or Gruden replacing him.
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ive seen alot of bad teams for the jets and giants
its been awhile since an 0-6 start though....cant recall any lately
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ive seen alot of bad teams for the jets and giants
its been awhile since an 0-6 start though....cant recall any lately
I remember that 1-15 season they had.
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yeah 96
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joe montana > steve young > dan marino
Joey is first. ;D
well i know ur a football stat guy and stats say Young as better
but ill take the only 3 time Superbowl MVP in NFL history
i'd say rings count for something. ;D
there is some kind of aura behind Montana, which just makes him the best.
Young was unreal though; Sean Hill needs to pick up the slack. :D
rings = team stat
trent dilfer is better than dan marino or dan foutes?
speaking of Trent Dilfer, he explained it BEAUTIFULLY one SportsCenter today.
it's a business that is all about winning, when you talk about coaches they are only as good as how many games they win, so QBs should be under the same light.
how can half the time you guys say "it's a team sport" & the other half talk about individual accolades?
FACT, Tom Brady has the most TD's in a half & the most in a single season & has 3 rings. again, FACT!
every other argument in this thread is "blah blah blah IF he was there he WOULD have won blah blah blah".
FACT, Roger Maris has more single season homeruns than Babe Ruth. Big Fucking Deal. The Babe's still the best HR hitter of all time and still has the best season with the bat ever. Manning 04 is still the best QB season ever.
It's also funny that the worst QB with a Superbowl ring is the one defending the QB's signficance.
5 TDs in a quarter where the opposing team fumbled twice, and intercepted another, and then went 3 and out twice. Then decided to use the unorthodox defensive strategy of leaving both Moss and Welker wide open. Just explain to me how any of the top 15 QBs in the league wouldn't have gotten the exact same result. I would really like you to break it down.
Drew Brees had an exponentially better game than Brady, but fags like Deion Sanders who ejaculate at the sound of Brady's voice still call his performance the best of the week. That's what I mean when I say the media does it on purpose. Brady is Brad Pitt. They just want to sell him. Getting 350+ and 4 TDs against the Giants is incredible but it gets second fiddle to 6 TDs against a team that never got off the bus.
The fact that you cannot even openly admit that Marino and Fouts are better QBs than Dilfer is disgraceful. Look outside the box, watch the actual play on te field, and stop feeding into this media bullshit.
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Brady did nothing exceptional. All he did was throw to wide open WR all quarter. When I say wide open, I really stress that. Any QB could have done what he did. Those 3 rookie CB were no match for anything or anyone.
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Brady did nothing exceptional. All he did was throw to wide open WR all quarter. When I say wide open, I really stress that. Any QB could have done what he did. Those 3 rookie CB were no match for anything or anyone.
Switch QBs and you'd have the exact same score NE-59 TEN-0
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Brady did nothing exceptional. All he did was throw to wide open WR all quarter. When I say wide open, I really stress that. Any QB could have done what he did. Those 3 rookie CB were no match for anything or anyone.
Switch QBs and you'd have the exact same score NE-59 TEN-0
Yup
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LOL, again with the "if's" & "you could's".
show me facts.
generating scenario's will lead to a never ending argument.
i could say, "if Tom Brady" had less protection, he could do this or that.
IF the Florida Marlins stayed together after they won a World Series, they could of won 5 or 6.
IF Kobe didn't have Shaq, he couldn't of won a ring.
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LOL, again with the "if's" & "you could's".
show me facts.
generating scenario's will lead to a never ending argument.
i could say, "if Tom Brady" had less protection, he could do this or that.
IF the Florida Marlins stayed together after they won a World Series, they could of won 5 or 6.
IF Kobe didn't have Shaq, he couldn't of won a ring.
Exactly. Thanks for seeing things my way.
Here's another "if". If Babe Ruth played his 1921 season in stadiums with modern day dimensions he would have had over 100 Hrs that year.
http://www.amazon.com/Year-Babe-Ruth-Home-Runs/dp/0786719060
This guy studied and tracked every hit that year by the Babe and came to the scientific conclusion that over 40 of babe's long fly balls (either pop outs or doubles) would have been Home Runs. And every one of those balls were factually studied. Where those balls landed would not have been in the field of play in the same stadiums Bonds, and Aaron played in.
But of course Bonds and Aaron are better HR hitters because a few stupid numbers say so.
Just answer me this; how many TD passes do you think Peyton Manning would have had against that week 17 game against Denver, knowing that that Jim Sorgi threw for 2, and Manning himself threw 4 the next week against Denver in the playoffs? Just give me a number.
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^who did Babe Ruth face? Randy Johnson? Roger Clemens? Nolan Ryan? Mariano? a left handed specialist out of the pen? unreal sliders & curve balls?
i would agree, hitting 100 homeruns would make him hands down the greatest homerun hitter ever, but steriods (WHICH YOU APPROVE OF LOL) say differently lol.
but like i was saying? who was he facing?
anyway to answer your question, 47; yeah, in one game lol.
since it's all hypothetical, i don't see how i can be wrong lol.
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chamilitary you sound like a fool trying to argue Brady over Manning
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^who did Babe Ruth face? Randy Johnson? Roger Clemens? Nolan Ryan? Mariano? a left handed specialist out of the pen? unreal sliders & curve balls?
i would agree, hitting 100 homeruns would make him hands down the greatest homerun hitter ever, but steriods (WHICH YOU APPROVE OF LOL) say differently lol.
but like i was saying? who was he facing?
anyway to answer your question, 47; yeah, in one game lol.
since it's all hypothetical, i don't see how i can be wrong lol.
Steroids say nothing. Babe still has more HR per at bat than any in the roid era. You want a crazy slider and curveball, try facing a spitballer. I could name a bunch of amazing pitchers from the Ruth era, but you wouldn't know them. The fact your're arguing against Ruth shows me something, because Ruth is so much more head and shoulders best Baseball player ever than Montana and Brady combined are best QB ever.
47, eh. Good to know. So if Manning played that game he'd have had 96 TDs that season. I wouldn't even have guessed that high.
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hey chamilitary click
babe ruth faced WALTER JOHNSON
walter johnson = best pitcher ever
oh and btw BAbe was one of the best pitchers ever too....go look at his post season pitching :D
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hey chamilitary click
babe ruth faced WALTER JOHNSON
walter johnson = best pitcher ever
oh and btw BAbe was one of the best pitchers ever too....go look at his post season pitching :D
and he got 10 dingers off of the 100 mph right hander with a 2.17 era
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chamilitary you sound like a fool trying to argue Brady over Manning
where do i make that argument? ???
hey chamilitary click
babe ruth faced WALTER JOHNSON
walter johnson = best pitcher ever
oh and btw BAbe was one of the best pitchers ever too....go look at his post season pitching :D
Babe Ruth is the best baseball players of all time, but "best HR hitter" doesn't equal best all all time.
& Walter was amazing, but it was just him (with some others, take some sarcasm). but if you're trying to make the argument pitching back then was more dominant then opposed to all the of HOFer's that Aaron & Bonds faced i won't even bother responding.
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chamilitary you sound like a fool trying to argue Brady over Manning
where do i make that argument? ???
hey chamilitary click
babe ruth faced WALTER JOHNSON
walter johnson = best pitcher ever
oh and btw BAbe was one of the best pitchers ever too....go look at his post season pitching :D
Babe Ruth is the best baseball players of all time, but "best HR hitter" doesn't equal best all all time.
& Walter was amazing, but it was just him (with some others, take some sarcasm). but if you're trying to make the argument pitching back then was more dominant then opposed to all the of HOFer's that Aaron & Bonds faced i won't even bother responding.
The stats are hard to find but by checking the HR logs of both Aaron and Ruth; Babe Ruth's top 20 pitchers he hit HRs off of consist of 4 hall of famers. Aaron's list has 5 hall of famers. What's your point?
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chamilitary you sound like a fool trying to argue Brady over Manning
where do i make that argument? ???
hey chamilitary click
babe ruth faced WALTER JOHNSON
walter johnson = best pitcher ever
oh and btw BAbe was one of the best pitchers ever too....go look at his post season pitching :D
Babe Ruth is the best baseball players of all time, but "best HR hitter" doesn't equal best all all time.
& Walter was amazing, but it was just him (with some others, take some sarcasm). but if you're trying to make the argument pitching back then was more dominant then opposed to all the of HOFer's that Aaron & Bonds faced i won't even bother responding.
The stats are hard to find but by checking the HR logs of both Aaron and Ruth; Babe Ruth's top 20 pitchers he hit HRs off of consist of 4 hall of famers. Aaron's list has 5 hall of famers. What's your point?
1. i have no real point, you brought this Babe Ruth factor into a Patriots gamethread & i just don't personally agree he is the greatest homerun hitter of all time.
2. as far this side argument goes, Hack was posting stats of greatest peaks & Mcguire have like 66 per & Ruth was at 53 per.
also, i remember hearing Bonds was averaging a homerun per 8-9 at bats; i don't know if Ruth had numbers like that in any season, but regardless he has more in a regular season & in a career.
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who lead the league in home runs more than the Babe?
Babe Ruth hit a record 29 homeruns in the DEAD BALL ERA - if you hit 15 back then you were a "slugger"
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who lead the league in home runs more than the Babe?
Babe Ruth hit a record 29 homeruns in the DEAD BALL ERA - if you hit 15 back then you were a "slugger"
lol, the competiton today is so much better than it was in the 1920's, it's barely comparable.
how many players back then even hit more than 35 homeruns in a season?
he had nobody pitching to him & the "somebodies" who were pitching to him were throwing 18 straight innings in back to back double headers lol.
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who lead the league in home runs more than the Babe?
Babe Ruth hit a record 29 homeruns in the DEAD BALL ERA - if you hit 15 back then you were a "slugger"
lol, the competiton today is so much better than it was in the 1920's, it's barely comparable.
how many players back then even hit more than 35 homeruns in a season?
he had nobody pitching to him & the "somebodies" who were pitching to him were throwing 18 straight innings in back to back double headers lol.
So all the batters were so bad in the 20s that of all the 18 straight inning pitchers only the Babe could hit the ball long? Give me a break. You're the one who likes facts. Here's a fact for you. Bonds hit an HR ver 13 at bats. Babe hit 1 every 12 at bats. No ifs, no buts, no speculation. Babe Ruth is a better homerun hitter because he hit a homerun more often than Bonds did. We could speculate on pitchers all day and believe me I have theoretical arguments up the wazoo, but you like stats and facts and the fact is that Ruth is a better HR hitter than Bonds, because when Bonds made it to Ruth at bat number he had 150 less homeruns than Ruth. So if you bet on Bonds in a game to hit a homerun and I bet on Ruth, at the end of each career I'd have more money because Ruth hit more homeruns and more often.
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who lead the league in home runs more than the Babe?
Babe Ruth hit a record 29 homeruns in the DEAD BALL ERA - if you hit 15 back then you were a "slugger"
lol, the competiton today is so much better than it was in the 1920's, it's barely comparable.
how many players back then even hit more than 35 homeruns in a season?
he had nobody pitching to him & the "somebodies" who were pitching to him were throwing 18 straight innings in back to back double headers lol.
So all the batters were so bad in the 20s that of all the 18 straight inning pitchers only the Babe could hit the ball long? Give me a break. You're the one who likes facts. Here's a fact for you. Bonds hit an HR ver 13 at bats. Babe hit 1 every 12 at bats. No ifs, no buts, no speculation. Babe Ruth is a better homerun hitter because he hit a homerun more often than Bonds did. We could speculate on pitchers all day and believe me I have theoretical arguments up the wazoo, but you like stats and facts and the fact is that Ruth is a better HR hitter than Bonds, because when Bonds made it to Ruth at bat number he had 150 less homeruns than Ruth. So if you bet on Bonds in a game to hit a homerun and I bet on Ruth, at the end of each career I'd have more money because Ruth hit more homeruns and more often.
alright, we'll just ignore the fact Ruth didn't have to face a left hander whose purpose of getting a contract is to get left handed batters out in the 7th & 8th.
Ruth's competiton has to be a factor here & like i was saying Hack has been posting stats of the games best at their peaks & a lot have averaged as many or more than him; actually surprising.
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^But Brady's "competition" of an uncovering Titans secondary doesn't play a factor? Shallow served u homie on that "average home runs per bat" and with u still arguing against that, your 100% contradicting yourself.
U the homie, but I call it as I see it.
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^But Brady's "competition" of an uncovering Titans secondary doesn't play a factor? Shallow served u homie on that "average home runs per bat" and with u still arguing against that, your 100% contradicting yourself.
U the homie, but I call it as I see it.
i meant more along the lines of that Baseball was still not at it's peak in terms of players back then, but i understand.
i've never said Brady was better, where is this statement coming from? i never said it lol.
what i HAVE said is that "I'm not saying Brady is better than any of the great HOFer's, I am not saying Brady is better than Peyton, but Brady is one of the the greats."
Tom Brady throws for a high number of touchdowns, year in and year out, has the most in a single season & has 3 rings on teams he has lead. because Peyton has a stronger & more accurate arm that puts him 138 levels above Brady? i don't know, not in my opinion; scoring is scoring.
then Babe Ruth was shown by Hack to have hit less HRs per season than McGuire; i will give him the option to pick either who hits more per season or more all time; which i could personally care less about because that's not even the discussion at hand here but more of getting off into a tangent to argue for a view which i hope one day he realizes isn't convincing me of changing my opinion on Brady lol.
& even though this is the Pats/Titans gamethread, it's gotten far off that topic & it's barely about this weeks game anymore, more like Brady's career & i mean, you can tell, Babe Ruth somehow go involved lol.
& this guy lives for the argument, on a serious note, have you ever seen him in a thread agreeing or co-signing something somebody says?
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who lead the league in home runs more than the Babe?
Babe Ruth hit a record 29 homeruns in the DEAD BALL ERA - if you hit 15 back then you were a "slugger"
lol, the competiton today is so much better than it was in the 1920's, it's barely comparable.
how many players back then even hit more than 35 homeruns in a season?
he had nobody pitching to him & the "somebodies" who were pitching to him were throwing 18 straight innings in back to back double headers lol.
So all the batters were so bad in the 20s that of all the 18 straight inning pitchers only the Babe could hit the ball long? Give me a break. You're the one who likes facts. Here's a fact for you. Bonds hit an HR ver 13 at bats. Babe hit 1 every 12 at bats. No ifs, no buts, no speculation. Babe Ruth is a better homerun hitter because he hit a homerun more often than Bonds did. We could speculate on pitchers all day and believe me I have theoretical arguments up the wazoo, but you like stats and facts and the fact is that Ruth is a better HR hitter than Bonds, because when Bonds made it to Ruth at bat number he had 150 less homeruns than Ruth. So if you bet on Bonds in a game to hit a homerun and I bet on Ruth, at the end of each career I'd have more money because Ruth hit more homeruns and more often.
alright, we'll just ignore the fact Ruth didn't have to face a left hander whose purpose of getting a contract is to get left handed batters out in the 7th & 8th.
Ruth's competiton has to be a factor here & like i was saying Hack has been posting stats of the games best at their peaks & a lot have averaged as many or more than him; actually surprising.
We'll also ignore the fact that half of the Babe's games were played in a stadium that was 490 up the middle, 460 left center, and 425 right center. That he played with inferior balls, inferior bats, and inferior training schedules. He is the best homerun hitter. Period. Just like the guy with the most hits isn't the best hitter, the guy with the most homeruns isn't the best homerun hitter. Unless of course you want to turn this into a Ty Cobb vs Pete Rose debate.
Forgive but I can't think of the left hander you speak of. I can think of my man Lefty Grove though. He was great.
As for Brady being one of the greats. I have no doubt he'll be remembered as such. I just don't think he would have been if he ended up on the Bills in 2000. Where I see Peyton being remembered at the very least as good as his father. The difference between the two is that I think Peyton would be one of those QBs that despite his team never winning, everyone and their mother in that organization would know that it wasn't because of QB play and no matter what, they'd keep him. Where if Brady was on a team that kept losing, he'd have been dropped. That's my assessment. It's all speculation and I can't prove any of it, but just based on the way he plays, my understanding of the Erhardt - Perkins offensive system, and my prediction of the success of Kyle Orton, and Matt Cassel under that system, that I've come to that personal conclusion. You'll still have a great life if you don't ever adopt that theory, but just understand that I'm forever sticking to it. And nothing short of Brady joining the Titans tomorrow and making them win 10 straight game and a wild card spot will change that. I will also take a cheap shot at Brady every time I see the opportunity too. You shouldn't take it personally. I just like ragging on him.
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^so you're upset & dislike the fact that Brady gets so much praise, but you don't think that he will be remembered as a great?
Lefty Grove the starter? who faced Babe Ruth 90% of games at least once?
& i will ignore that because he was playing with inferior pitching too.
lol, i admit the guy is the best baseball player of all time, just not the greatest HR hitter & it's just not enough lmao.
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^so you're upset & dislike the fact that Brady gets so much praise, but you don't think that he will be remembered as a great?
Lefty Grove the starter? who faced Babe Ruth 90% of games at least once?
& i will ignore that because he was playing with inferior pitching too.
lol, i admit the guy is the best baseball player of all time, just not the greatest HR hitter & it's just not enough lmao.
"I have no doubt he'll be remembered as such". I do think he'll be remembered asa great. I just don't think he would have been if he played on a shit team. I'd say the same about Bradshaw, Namath, Starr, etc.
Prove to me that the pitching was inferior. You're the one that likes facts and stats, and proof. Where is the proof. It's all speculation that a guy from today would walk into the 20s and pop 'em out like no tomorrow.
And who is this left hander that Bonds faced in 90% of his games?
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^my bad, i didn't see you say "no doubt he will", i thought it read, "i doubt he will". :-X :-[
& my proof is simply logic.
people back then had other jobs in the off season, they weren't concerned about staying at the top of their game.
they would put a bat or ball down in late September & not pick another one up until March.
today a guy like A-Rod or Pujols or Johan or Lincecum barely have an off season.
i'm sure they take a few months off when the season ends, but by Decemeber they are getting into a zone.
the game was still developing back then.
& every team in major league baseball has at least one left handed specialist to get left handed batters out.
I.E. Phil Coke & Damaso Marte for the Yankees; they might not even have jobs if statistics didn't show they can get left handed batters out more efficiently than right handed pitchers.
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Frankly the level of talent in sports today is so far above what it used to be back in the days of Babe Ruth its impossible to try and compare. You can say that Babe Ruth was amazing and all this but truly he would probably look average with todays pitchers and level of talent all around.
And the WOW at the titans i got to watch this game this weekend before work n i was fuckin laughing. Brady lit them the fuck up.
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^my bad, i didn't see you say "no doubt he will", i thought it read, "i doubt he will". :-X :-[
& my proof is simply logic.
people back then had other jobs in the off season, they weren't concerned about staying at the top of their game.
they would put a bat or ball down in late September & not pick another one up until March.
today a guy like A-Rod or Pujols or Johan or Lincecum barely have an off season.
i'm sure they take a few months off when the season ends, but by Decemeber they are getting into a zone.
the game was still developing back then.
& every team in major league baseball has at least one left handed specialist to get left handed batters out.
I.E. Phil Coke & Damaso Marte for the Yankees; they might not even have jobs if statistics didn't show they can get left handed batters out more efficiently than right handed pitchers.
1) If your logic is true then the great players today would have been much worse than they are if they had to only play a few months a year and work the rest of the time. If Barry Bonds had no training schedule, no steroids, no off time to rest and practice, not making staying on top of his game his first priority in life, he would have had far less homeruns. If that logic is true what Babe did was harder because he did what no one around him could do.
2) It's all a big if, isn't it? You scoff at my logic that if Peyton Manning had 100 more pass attempts in 04 he'd have had another 10 or 11 TDs, but you use the same type of shit to argue against the Babe.
3) My logic goes the other way on this big if. Maybe they didn't have the full development of the game and trained the same way, but neither did Ruth so it would even out. He still hit more HRs per at bat. The league had half the teams, so half the spots were available, and there were no other prominant pro sports so the best athletes in the country only played baseball. If the MLB decided to cut the league to 8 teams each tomorrow, every team would have 5 aces starting and two all star closers as relievers, then an amazing closer. They also have two clean up hitters batting 4th and 8th. If today's USA decided that only baseball would be a sport then every superstar athlete playing football or basketball would focus on baseball making the competition that much harder and making the level of play higher. The MLB today would be insane under those circumstances. Well those were the circumstances back then, and I'm not saying it was harder then,but I could argue that those circumstances then equate it to the current diluted league.
4) But in the end it's all ifs. What isn't an if is 1 HR every 11.7 at bats. Leading the league in HRs 12 times; more than Bonds, Aaron and McGwire combined. And what isn't an if is that he did it all in a stadium that was 490 up the middle.