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Title: Save your money ~ Matrix 2 is a bust
Post by: Third AntiChrist on May 20, 2003, 09:41:36 PM
Save your money ~ Matrix 2 is a bust >:(

I haven't seen a movie this bad in a long time

take my word for it yo


Matrix 1 was an excellent movie but this one kills

wait for Kazzalite/Imesh and Mirc don't waste your time/money
Title: Re:Save your money ~ Matrix 2 is a bust
Post by: Immortal on May 20, 2003, 10:31:42 PM
wow, so you really are a dumbass ::)
Title: Re:Save your money ~ Matrix 2 is a bust
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on May 20, 2003, 10:59:10 PM
It was aiight...I was expecting more...
Title: Re:Save your money ~ Matrix 2 is a bust
Post by: Third AntiChrist on May 20, 2003, 11:19:42 PM
wow, so you really are a dumbass ::)

don't take it personal ;)
Title: Re:Save your money ~ Matrix 2 is a bust
Post by: Third AntiChrist on May 20, 2003, 11:29:19 PM
Fight scences were way too long, repetitive and boring

This movie went in to la la land and beyond

The whole story just plain sucked big fat nuts

 


Man I was so hyped to see this movie when you all were talking about how good this movie was




Title: Re:Save your money ~ Matrix 2 is a bust
Post by: bLaDe on May 20, 2003, 11:32:26 PM
lol oh well.  Why exactly do you hate it so much, personaly I enjoyed the storyline, what part of it did you not like?

  -{bLaDe}
Title: Re:Save your money ~ Matrix 2 is a bust
Post by: Third AntiChrist on May 20, 2003, 11:38:31 PM
lol oh well.  Why exactly do you hate it so much, personaly I enjoyed the storyline, what part of it did you not like?

  -{bLaDe}

Which storyline did you like Blade? There was like 50 of them

The whole Oracle/Source storyline was a joke

I was about to leave when the Source was talking all that bullshit
 
KeyMaker idea = gay

The opening of the door and power outage = gay

The whole Agent Smith theme was lame

Neo fight scene   They were all gay after the first 5 minutes
they were like 15 minutes each

This movie really sucked
Title: Re:Save your money ~ Matrix 2 is a bust
Post by: T.J. on May 21, 2003, 04:18:45 AM
we all have different taste in movies. maybe if u told us what other kinds of movies u liked, we could see if we relate to your interest of movies, and if we can relate, then we will probly take your word for it.
as for me, i havent seen this yet, but it looks dope IMO. i wont mind payin $8 for a movie ticket, coz even if it is boring, its cheaper then rent.  ;)
Title: Re:Save your money ~ Matrix 2 is a bust
Post by: HHH on May 21, 2003, 04:23:56 AM
i think im gunna go and get myself a couple of tickets actually, im sure i will luv the film  ;D
Title: Re:Save your money ~ Matrix 2 is a bust
Post by: Third AntiChrist on May 21, 2003, 07:40:26 AM
we all have different taste in movies. maybe if u told us what other kinds of movies u liked, we could see if we relate to your interest of movies, and if we can relate, then we will probly take your word for it.
as for me, i havent seen this yet, but it looks dope IMO. i wont mind payin $8 for a movie ticket, coz even if it is boring, its cheaper then rent.  ;)

True  

But this is the worst movie I have seen since Spiderman (which was a fraud movie) like Matrix 2. I though the first Matrix was an excellent movie
Matrix 2/Spiderman is just selling tickets off hype


Movies I like

Matrix I
Lord of the Rings I
Lord of the Rings II
X-Men (I give it a 6/10)
X-Men 2 was fucking awesome


But when you watch the Matrix 2 remember I was the first one to tell you how gay it was ;)


About halfway through the movie you will be depressed from boredom

Title: Re:Save your money ~ Matrix 2 is a bust
Post by: Sikotic™ on May 21, 2003, 08:11:27 AM
You were expecting way too much, that's all. I gotta admit, the whole dancing and celebration/fucking scene were pointless.
Title: Re:Save your money ~ Matrix 2 is a bust
Post by: Third AntiChrist on May 21, 2003, 08:26:49 AM
You were expecting way too much, that's all. I gotta admit, the whole dancing and celebration/fucking scene were pointless.

Every storyline was just plain out gay

I would list them all but I don't want to spoil this movie for those who dare to see it

Sikological man you know this movie was lame
Title: Re:Save your money ~ Matrix 2 is a bust
Post by: STILLDRE IS THE GODFATHER on May 21, 2003, 09:33:46 AM
i actually agree a bit  the fight scenes were off the hook but the story was shit
Title: Re:Save your money ~ Matrix 2 is a bust
Post by: OpTiCaL on May 21, 2003, 10:54:43 AM
WEll i guess it is classes an action film...alot of films with excellent effects in or good scenes lack a bit sometimes in story...


...fucking scene ???       ;)

BTW its already ripped and on irc in 2 good quality discs...


FTF Presents:    The Matrix: Reloaded                                                                  
RlS.DaTE....: 14th May 2003              
ImDb RatinG.: Awaiting 5 Votes            
GenRE.......: Action/Thriller/Sci-Fi      
FoRMat......: Telesync VCD                  
RUNtime.....: 2hrs 18mins                
SiZe........: CD1/43 CD2/47                
Props To ESOTERIC for beating us to this fine release, but we    
         feel our sound is better, with a brighter picture.


So a couple good rips already (this one int rls)

pZ
Title: Re:Save your money ~ Matrix 2 is a bust
Post by: bLaDe on May 21, 2003, 11:30:30 AM
Well, theres only one story line.  (spoilers below..)

In a nutshell, putting all the insane symbolism and philosphy aside....
The prophecy states that Neo has to get to the source, and the person who can get him there is the keymaker.  Once he meets the Architect(source), he tells Neo all about the matrix.  The first version was flawless, but humans being imperfect rejected the idea.  So another one was made, it was "redesigned it based on your history to more accurately reflect the varying grotesqueries of your nature." However, there still remained a problem with the system.
Then a program, which is called The Oracle, figured out a way to get 99.9% of the humans to accept the matrix as reality.  They were given a choice, to wake up or to continue living in a dream world.  But the thing is, that was false, there was no choice, they were simply made to beleive they were free and to create Zion.  The machines have set in motion a plan to ensure that they will all eventually be destroyed and the cycle will start over again. The machine's solutions was to create a program and "implant" it in the brain of a human, creating The One.  
So while Neo thought he was freeing people, he was actually uprooting anomalies which could damage the matrix.  You see, the machines needed him, they fooled him and the others into thinking they were free, so all the anomalies(people who sense something is wrong, kinda like Neo before he was unplugged) would get out of the Matrix.  Kinda like a weedkiller.
Now Neo is the 6th version of 'The One', and him, along with the 5 Ones before him, were programmed to have a profound attachment with humans, i'll tell you why in a sec.
So now the Architect gives him a choice between 2 doors, the door on the right will lead to Zion, where he will be able to select 23 indiviuals, 16 female, 7 male, to rebuild Zion : The salvation of Zion.
The door to his left wil llead back to matrix, back to Trinity, but Zion will be destroyed, along with every human attached to the matrix, and the matrix will crash and reboot (or so we are told).  He chooses the door on his left, logically assuming that the previous 5 ones took the other door.
Now the thing is, Neo was programmed to have a love for humanity, to help humans, to be human.  However, Neo is different, he does not experience simply a general attachement to humanity, he experiences a direct and profound connection to a single human. Love. Trinity
So he does save Trinity(despite what Architect said bout how shes gonna die anyway)

Oh yeah Agent Smith has an important role, as he's become more like a virus, and a rebel of somesort.  Now him and neo are the only two programs who can exist outside the matrix(Smith took over Bane)

(End of Spoilers...)

Now, The Matrix was one mind blowing movie, but lets see, technically Reloaded had a much more complex storylines, detailed and amazingly cohreographed fight scenes, and better, revolutionary FX.
Plus Realoded is amazing considering it has no beggening or ending(in a sense) ...
Well in the end it really depends on personal prefrence i guess...peace

  -{bLaDe}
Title: Re:Save your money ~ Matrix 2 is a bust
Post by: KING VerbalAssaulta on May 21, 2003, 01:14:05 PM
excellent explanation blade ..thats kinda about what i got from it..though i could've never explained it like that...feel free to post any more insight  8)
Title: Re:Save your money ~ Matrix 2 is a bust
Post by: Immortal on May 21, 2003, 01:46:08 PM
excellent explanation blade ..thats kinda about what i got from it..though i could've never explained it like that...feel free to post any more insight  8)

word 8)
Title: Re:Save your money ~ Matrix 2 is a bust
Post by: Sub-Z on May 21, 2003, 02:00:18 PM
i wont mind payin $8 for a movie ticket, coz even if it is boring, its cheaper then rent.  ;)

where the hell do you rent your movies from !?!
Title: Re:Save your money ~ Matrix 2 is a bust
Post by: Third AntiChrist on May 21, 2003, 02:15:21 PM
-POSITIVE-

SOURCE RATING THE GIST
E! Online  A- … one of those rare sequels that's bigger and better than the first. more
 
Entertainment Weekly  B … insanely pretentious and dazzling … more
 
Film Journal International  N/A Is it as good as The Matrix? No, but it does offer hope that the final installment will be a knockout. more
 
FilmCritic.com  4 stars/5 As inane as the bulk of the storyline is, make no mistake: This is a movie about kicking ass. more
 
New York Post  3 stars/4 … while it's exhilarating fun … this reboot never really hits the heights of the ultra-cool The Matrix … more
 
USA Today  3 stars/4 The Matrix Reloaded needs a system upgrade. And to its credit, it eventually gets one. more
 
Village Voice  N/A … sexier, or at least sweatier, than its precursor. more
 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 
-NEGATIVE-
 
SOURCE RATING THE GIST
Slant Magazine 1˝ stars/4 … a barrage of kick-ass special effects frequently and embarrassingly punctuated by trite philosophical thought … more

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 
 
-MIXED-
 
SOURCE RATING THE GIST
Chicago Tribune 2 stars/4 … although the technical aspects don't disappoint, the human ones do. more
 
Hollywood Reporter N/A … computer technology and overkill supplant the ingenuity of the original film's action. more
 
Los Angeles Times N/A … simply not as satisfying as the original. more
 
New York Times N/A … seeks to increase the emotional stakes — which it doesn't quite accomplish … more
 
Rolling Stone 3 stars/5 Loved the idea of a sequel to The Matrix, hated the hit-and-miss execution. more
 
TV Guide 3 stars/5 … pure, computer-generated spectacle, diverting in the moment but ultimately disposable. more
 
Variety N/A … certainly delivers enough thrills, kicks and cool moments to satiate geeks, fans and mere general viewers worldwide …  
Title: Re:Save your money ~ Matrix 2 is a bust
Post by: ·SiNiStEr· on May 21, 2003, 03:27:11 PM
one of the most intricate and real-life related storylines ever created..

i give this movie a 11/10.. the action scenes are just a bonus.. the story itself is amazing.. i suppose its just that all you shallow people dont understand it.. then rejection.
Title: Re:Save your money ~ Matrix 2 is a bust
Post by: Immortal on May 21, 2003, 03:45:23 PM
omg...i just checked out the final explanation of the MAtrix 2 in connection with Matrix 1. Omg...omg...this dude who cracked it down is a genius..hes basically explained the unexplained in reloaded and in the 1st matrix...its all good now...omg..the Wachowski brothers are geniuses....they have created a mindboggling thriller and masterppiece (MATrix).

ill post the site in some time...its obviously a spoiler..but omg :o
Title: Re:Save your money ~ Matrix 2 is a bust
Post by: ·SiNiStEr· on May 21, 2003, 04:02:35 PM
gimme da link man.. there are still some questions i got..

plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Title: Re:Save your money ~ Matrix 2 is a bust
Post by: Immortal on May 21, 2003, 04:31:34 PM
Heres the link

Warning: If you haven't yet seen the movie, don't click on the link

http://www.coronaproductions.com/ubb/Forum8/HTML/001913.html
Title: Re:Save your money ~ Matrix 2 is a bust
Post by: 7even on May 21, 2003, 04:58:13 PM
Well, theres only one story line.  (spoilers below..)

In a nutshell, putting all the insane symbolism and philosphy aside....
The prophecy states that Neo has to get to the source, and the person who can get him there is the keymaker.  Once he meets the Architect(source), he tells Neo all about the matrix.  The first version was flawless, but humans being imperfect rejected the idea.  So another one was made, it was "redesigned it based on your history to more accurately reflect the varying grotesqueries of your nature." However, there still remained a problem with the system.
Then a program, which is called The Oracle, figured out a way to get 99.9% of the humans to accept the matrix as reality.  They were given a choice, to wake up or to continue living in a dream world.  But the thing is, that was false, there was no choice, they were simply made to beleive they were free and to create Zion.  The machines have set in motion a plan to ensure that they will all eventually be destroyed and the cycle will start over again. The machine's solutions was to create a program and "implant" it in the brain of a human, creating The One.  
So while Neo thought he was freeing people, he was actually uprooting anomalies which could damage the matrix.  You see, the machines needed him, they fooled him and the others into thinking they were free, so all the anomalies(people who sense something is wrong, kinda like Neo before he was unplugged) would get out of the Matrix.  Kinda like a weedkiller.
Now Neo is the 6th version of 'The One', and him, along with the 5 Ones before him, were programmed to have a profound attachment with humans, i'll tell you why in a sec.
So now the Architect gives him a choice between 2 doors, the door on the right will lead to Zion, where he will be able to select 23 indiviuals, 16 female, 7 male, to rebuild Zion : The salvation of Zion.
The door to his left wil llead back to matrix, back to Trinity, but Zion will be destroyed, along with every human attached to the matrix, and the matrix will crash and reboot (or so we are told).  He chooses the door on his left, logically assuming that the previous 5 ones took the other door.
Now the thing is, Neo was programmed to have a love for humanity, to help humans, to be human.  However, Neo is different, he does not experience simply a general attachement to humanity, he experiences a direct and profound connection to a single human. Love. Trinity
So he does save Trinity(despite what Architect said bout how shes gonna die anyway)

Oh yeah Agent Smith has an important role, as he's become more like a virus, and a rebel of somesort.  Now him and neo are the only two programs who can exist outside the matrix(Smith took over Bane)

(End of Spoilers...)

Now, The Matrix was one mind blowing movie, but lets see, technically Reloaded had a much more complex storylines, detailed and amazingly cohreographed fight scenes, and better, revolutionary FX.
Plus Realoded is amazing considering it has no beggening or ending(in a sense) ...
Well in the end it really depends on personal prefrence i guess...peace

  -{bLaDe}


you wanna be my witness at the marriage? ;)
Title: Re:Save your money ~ Matrix 2 is a bust
Post by: KING VerbalAssaulta on May 21, 2003, 05:21:08 PM
damn read that link posted....some people are loosing sleep over this
Title: Re:Save your money ~ Matrix 2 is a bust
Post by: LyRiCaL_G on May 22, 2003, 08:41:21 AM
well alot of folks have either said the film was great or weak, cuz sum shit like the flying scenes were becommmin on stupid and sum of the scenes were meant to look real computerised.......like u could tell it was made on computer............but y'all shouldnt front on ppls opinions, theres always ppl who say uits great n ppl who say its wack........

personally i cant wait to watch it afta enjoying the first film but like my expectations aint as high as befo afta what everyones been sayin, but i'll tell u wat i think afta i watch it!
Title: Re:Save your money ~ Matrix 2 is a bust
Post by: Sikotic™ on May 22, 2003, 09:35:41 PM
Well, theres only one story line.  (spoilers below..)

In a nutshell, putting all the insane symbolism and philosphy aside....
The prophecy states that Neo has to get to the source, and the person who can get him there is the keymaker.  Once he meets the Architect(source), he tells Neo all about the matrix.  The first version was flawless, but humans being imperfect rejected the idea.  So another one was made, it was "redesigned it based on your history to more accurately reflect the varying grotesqueries of your nature." However, there still remained a problem with the system.
Then a program, which is called The Oracle, figured out a way to get 99.9% of the humans to accept the matrix as reality.  They were given a choice, to wake up or to continue living in a dream world.  But the thing is, that was false, there was no choice, they were simply made to beleive they were free and to create Zion.  The machines have set in motion a plan to ensure that they will all eventually be destroyed and the cycle will start over again. The machine's solutions was to create a program and "implant" it in the brain of a human, creating The One.  
So while Neo thought he was freeing people, he was actually uprooting anomalies which could damage the matrix.  You see, the machines needed him, they fooled him and the others into thinking they were free, so all the anomalies(people who sense something is wrong, kinda like Neo before he was unplugged) would get out of the Matrix.  Kinda like a weedkiller.
Now Neo is the 6th version of 'The One', and him, along with the 5 Ones before him, were programmed to have a profound attachment with humans, i'll tell you why in a sec.
So now the Architect gives him a choice between 2 doors, the door on the right will lead to Zion, where he will be able to select 23 indiviuals, 16 female, 7 male, to rebuild Zion : The salvation of Zion.
The door to his left wil llead back to matrix, back to Trinity, but Zion will be destroyed, along with every human attached to the matrix, and the matrix will crash and reboot (or so we are told).  He chooses the door on his left, logically assuming that the previous 5 ones took the other door.
Now the thing is, Neo was programmed to have a love for humanity, to help humans, to be human.  However, Neo is different, he does not experience simply a general attachement to humanity, he experiences a direct and profound connection to a single human. Love. Trinity
So he does save Trinity(despite what Architect said bout how shes gonna die anyway)

Oh yeah Agent Smith has an important role, as he's become more like a virus, and a rebel of somesort.  Now him and neo are the only two programs who can exist outside the matrix(Smith took over Bane)

(End of Spoilers...)

Now, The Matrix was one mind blowing movie, but lets see, technically Reloaded had a much more complex storylines, detailed and amazingly cohreographed fight scenes, and better, revolutionary FX.
Plus Realoded is amazing considering it has no beggening or ending(in a sense) ...
Well in the end it really depends on personal prefrence i guess...peace

  -{bLaDe}


If you didnt break it down then I wouldnt of gotten it either.
Title: Re:Save your money ~ Matrix 2 is a bust
Post by: -KuNiVaA- on May 22, 2003, 10:22:32 PM
Yea, supposedly Zion was to be destroyed, but why in the previews (stay till the credits end, you'll see the previews for Revolution) they show Zion and those big machines being used, it all makes no sense, so was the prophecy true or not?  any way or the other, i thought the movie was really good, the actions is wild, just all around great...
Title: Re:Save your money ~ Matrix 2 is a bust
Post by: Third AntiChrist on May 22, 2003, 11:11:45 PM
I can appreciate the storyline now that I have had to time to think about it more  :D

But I still can't get over the fact how boring this movie was



Also..........did you guys know the ORACLE died during taping of the film

you think it might have effected the storyline
Title: Re:Save your money ~ Matrix 2 is a bust
Post by: ·SiNiStEr· on May 23, 2003, 10:46:53 AM
really? fuck.. ya i peeped that matrix link thing and everyone has thier own opinion and all of 'em make sense.. i think we just chillin to matrix 3, excellent movie no doubt, WB did a much better job than i thought they would, that was probably one of the hardest movies to mack technologically speaking.
Title: Re:Save your money ~ Matrix 2 is a bust
Post by: white Boy on May 23, 2003, 12:17:44 PM
no it really was kinda bad, i personaly liked it but just for the crazy effects, but it was pointless,
Title: Re:Save your money ~ Matrix 2 is a bust
Post by: Immortal on May 23, 2003, 12:21:11 PM
no it really was kinda bad, i personaly liked it but just for the crazy effects, but it was pointless,

it seems you didnt understand a single philosophical aspect of the film, or of MAtrix 1. However, your totally wrong saying the film was 'pointless'. Read that post Blade made and get some sense out of it. Also go through the SPoiler link I've posted.

Title: Re:Save your money ~ Matrix 2 is a bust
Post by: bLaDe on May 23, 2003, 12:49:41 PM
Yea, supposedly Zion was to be destroyed, but why in the previews (stay till the credits end, you'll see the previews for Revolution) they show Zion and those big machines being used, it all makes no sense, so was the prophecy true or not?  any way or the other, i thought the movie was really good, the actions is wild, just all around great...

Yeah Zion is supposed to be destroyed, in 24 hours though.  In the end when those guys were talking about the slaughter and how people died, they were reffering to the death on the ships which were supposed to stop/slow down the sentinals...  So Zion is still existant, but doesnt have much time remaning.

50 MnMs : I just quoted your earlier post where you said it was pointless and wrote why it wasnt.


Third AntiChrist : Well i'm glad you can atleast appreciate the storyline.  And yeah, the Oracle aka Gloria Foster died at age 64 of diabetes (r.i.p, great actress) just at the end of the matrix filming.  I think TIME reported that a rewrite was done so that the Oracle will be taking a "different form" in this movie, but its still not totally confirmed.

  -{bLaDe}

Title: Re:Save your money ~ Matrix 2 is a bust
Post by: Quakaveli on May 23, 2003, 01:12:04 PM
i think im gunna go and get myself a couple of tickets actually, im sure i will luv the film  ;D

Good girl..
Title: Re:Save your money ~ Matrix 2 is a bust
Post by: ·SiNiStEr· on May 23, 2003, 02:35:04 PM
no it really was kinda bad, i personaly liked it but just for the crazy effects, but it was pointless,

if this is the case then you brain-dead
Title: Re:Save your money ~ Matrix 2 is a bust
Post by: bez on May 23, 2003, 05:21:05 PM
I still aint seen the film but I mite go over the weekend.  I have read all of the spoliers and shit but ya know what it aint even spoiled the movie for me.  Everybody that seems to of seen it has been like what the fuck was that about, what a pointless movie, I hope that when I see it after reading the spoilers and explinations I will understand the story more when I am in the film and when I walk out of that cinema I will be the only 1 out of my group of friends to actually of understood why stuff happened.  Even after readin through all the spoilers I am not 99.9 percent sure of what seems to be going on they might as well of wrote it all in 0's and 1's.
Title: Re:Save your money ~ Matrix 2 is a bust
Post by: The Watcher on May 23, 2003, 09:03:38 PM
its a dope movie
Title: Re:Save your money ~ Matrix 2 is a bust
Post by: -KuNiVaA- on May 23, 2003, 10:44:33 PM
I never knew Gloria Foster died, RIP, but i was also wondering, by any chance, was Aaliyah RIP, suppose to play Nairobi's part?
Title: Re:Save your money ~ Matrix 2 is a bust
Post by: bLaDe on May 23, 2003, 11:13:40 PM
I never knew Gloria Foster died, RIP, but i was also wondering, by any chance, was Aaliyah RIP, suppose to play Nairobi's part?

Nah not Niobe, she was supposed to play Link's wife, "Zee", which was now played by Nona Gaye.

  -{bLaDe}
Title: Re:Save your money ~ Matrix 2 is a bust
Post by: js83 on May 25, 2003, 09:41:28 PM
For those thats bitchin, whining, complaning like a faggot bout the storyline...cuz its too complex or whatevers..just shut the fuck up..maybe your too just fucking dumb to understand somethin like the matrix...thats just too bad...and exactly how was the movie boring?
Title: Re:Save your money ~ Matrix 2 is a bust
Post by: bez on May 26, 2003, 11:30:06 AM
OH MY GOD.

I have just got in from seeing this movie and I cant belive the way some people are moaning about how the talking went on for too long, how the fight scenes where dumb and how the whole movie went totally over there head.  I followed the film from the first minute of it till the end and understood what was happening fully all the way through.  

I really cant belive the amount of people who left the movies unhappy.  I went with a friend who hasnt even seen the first matrix and he understood what was happening.  SOme of you guys really must be stupid.  Everything about this film was there for a purpose. Everything was wrote, filmed, directed and shot perfectly and I personally think the film had no floors what so ever.

Everything slotted into place well and everything was superb.  Some of you are just never happy with the outcome of a great movie.  Everything was so good I am still in shock of how good it was and I am hyped for the next 1.  

People who didnt understand the film are either stupid or wasn't paying enough attention, you should really take your earplugs out when watching this film. Everything had a purpose, people have said what was the need for the sex scene.  Simple to show us how much Neo and Trinity where in love, if you love someone, you have sex with them, you kiss in the lift when your alone and you would do anything for them.  

Some people, great movie.  10/10.
Title: Re:Save your money ~ Matrix 2 is a bust
Post by: bLaDe on May 26, 2003, 11:42:55 AM
OH MY GOD.

I have just got in from seeing this movie and I cant belive the way some people are moaning about how the talking went on for too long, how the fight scenes where dumb and how the whole movie went totally over there head.  I followed the film from the first minute of it till the end and understood what was happening fully all the way through.  

I really cant belive the amount of people who left the movies unhappy.  I went with a friend who hasnt even seen the first matrix and he understood what was happening.  SOme of you guys really must be stupid.  Everything about this film was there for a purpose. Everything was wrote, filmed, directed and shot perfectly and I personally think the film had no floors what so ever.

Everything slotted into place well and everything was superb.  Some of you are just never happy with the outcome of a great movie.  Everything was so good I am still in shock of how good it was and I am hyped for the next 1.  

People who didnt understand the film are either stupid or wasn't paying enough attention, you should really take your earplugs out when watching this film. Everything had a purpose, people have said what was the need for the sex scene.  Simple to show us how much Neo and Trinity where in love, if you love someone, you have sex with them, you kiss in the lift when your alone and you would do anything for them.  

Some people, great movie.  10/10.

 8)

I'm glad you appreciated it, and like you said, every part of the movie was there for a reason, everything was there to symbolize something, or foreshadow the plot.  Every dialogue was important, its simply an amazing movie, great direction, great cohreography etc.   Oh and tell your friend to watch the first Matrix  ;D

  -{bLaDe}
Title: Re:Save your money ~ Matrix 2 is a bust
Post by: -KuNiVaA- on May 26, 2003, 10:36:38 PM
Movie was great, but i was wondering, when Neo tells Morpheus "Go Ahead, I Got This", by any chance, does anyone remember how many men was Neo fighting... This is the scene where they are looking for the keymaker and then comes merovingian with some men, somebody told me there was five men altogether there.. possibly the five predecessors...
Title: Re:Save your money ~ Matrix 2 is a bust
Post by: LyRiCaL_G on May 27, 2003, 09:37:23 AM
ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh shiiiiiiiiiiiiiitttttttttttttttttt

the film was dope as fizzuk

still a little confused though and there was two scenes i wernt feelin.............the part where he meets the oracle and then she leave with the chinese guy and his elft to fight about a million agent smiths at once...........looked fake as fuck

and when he goes into that room where the creator of the matrix was............can someone break down what he was talkin about to me? i mean i get parts of that scene but not all of it............

oh and who exactly is that other guy they show get treated on in the end with neo when they finish the movie?.....cuz they show lil clips of him, like he a villain or sum ting, but i wasnt to sure who he was...........has he got the same amount of powers as neo or sum ting?

peace
Title: Re:Save your money ~ Matrix 2 is a bust
Post by: elneckio on May 27, 2003, 11:15:22 AM
Movie was great, but i was wondering, when Neo tells Morpheus "Go Ahead, I Got This", by any chance, does anyone remember how many men was Neo fighting... This is the scene where they are looking for the keymaker and then comes merovingian with some men, somebody told me there was five men altogether there.. possibly the five predecessors...
Not sure about that one cant remember how many he fought exactly, but I'm pretty sure the other Neo's on the TV are the previous incarnations.
Title: Re:Save your money ~ Matrix 2 is a bust
Post by: bez on May 27, 2003, 11:43:26 AM
ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh shiiiiiiiiiiiiiitttttttttttttttttt

the film was dope as fizzuk

still a little confused though and there was two scenes i wernt feelin.............the part where he meets the oracle and then she leave with the chinese guy and his elft to fight about a million agent smiths at once...........looked fake as fuck

and when he goes into that room where the creator of the matrix was............can someone break down what he was talkin about to me? i mean i get parts of that scene but not all of it............

oh and who exactly is that other guy they show get treated on in the end with neo when they finish the movie?.....cuz they show lil clips of him, like he a villain or sum ting, but i wasnt to sure who he was...........has he got the same amount of powers as neo or sum ting?

peace

When Neo met the guy you are talking about he is the architect or the creator of the matrix.  He basically tells Neo that he is not the first ONE, there have been five ones before him, 1 in each version of the matrix, therefore this one being the 6th version.  He basically tells Neo that he is different from all the other One's, he shows more emotion, in Neo's case LOVE.  He tells Neo that he can take a door that will save Zion or he can take the other door where he can save Trinity, every other One before Neo has taken the door that saved Zion simply because of the fact that they believed they where saving Zion and the human race but Neo  is different he choses the other door, he choses Trinity over humans and he choose love as his choice.

The guy at the end was one of the guys who stayed in the matrix to wait for contact from the Orical.  Remember when one of the guys went through the phone and then just as he was about to SMITH appeared and created a clone of himself using that guy.  Well apparently the guy remains the same in the real world and thats where he went.  Once smith has copied himself into the man he obviously finally had somebody who could go into the real world and try to kill Neo.  The guy at the end of the film lying on the table was the guy that Smith copied himself into and that guy now obviously has something big to do with the finale.  I got suspicions that Smith himself plays a big part in the bringing down of the matrix.  Remember that man was the only human survivor of Zion but as Smith had copied himself into him that surly doesnt make him human.  

Complicated but thats how I read the situation!
Title: Re:Save your money ~ Matrix 2 is a bust
Post by: elneckio on May 27, 2003, 11:51:22 AM
Remember that man was the only human survivor of Zion but as Smith had copied himself into him that surly doesnt make him human.  

Smith clone bloke being non-human does make sense if Zion has been destroyed, but for some reason we worked out that it hadn't happened yet (someone pointed this out the day after we saw it and I had assumed Zion had been toasted).  Can't remember the exact reasoning behind it now though :(
Title: Re:Save your money ~ Matrix 2 is a bust
Post by: Don Seer on May 27, 2003, 11:54:21 AM
(arrives under orders from neckio... lol)

yeah here's where we got confused...

"smith" was the only survivor from the group of ships sent from zion as the counter-attack... it seems he set off the EMP pulse early and fucked it all up.

everyone else in zion is still safe for 8 hrs... the others may be all thats left defence wise.. depends how many forces they used in the counter-attack
Title: Re:Save your money ~ Matrix 2 is a bust
Post by: elneckio on May 27, 2003, 11:56:57 AM
Did the Architect say 8 hours or someone else ?
Title: Re:Save your money ~ Matrix 2 is a bust
Post by: Don Seer on May 27, 2003, 11:58:20 AM
ummm. i believe hte people in zion.. or them at hte end...

gimme a sec and i'll skip to it :D
Title: Re:Save your money ~ Matrix 2 is a bust
Post by: bez on May 27, 2003, 12:04:19 PM
(arrives under orders from neckio... lol)

yeah here's where we got confused...

"smith" was the only survivor from the group of ships sent from zion as the counter-attack... it seems he set off the EMP pulse early and fucked it all up.

everyone else in zion is still safe for 8 hrs... the others may be all thats left defence wise.. depends how many forces they used in the counter-attack

yer thats it the counter attack thing, I thought that Zion hdnt been destroyed yet but I figured that considering I didnt know where the guy had survived from  I would just put it. lol
Title: Re:Save your money ~ Matrix 2 is a bust
Post by: Don Seer on May 27, 2003, 12:08:11 PM
when they're at the table right at hteTHE end

they say that once the battle was over the machines started diggin again...

why else would they dig if they werent going for zion... ?


even watching it again, its not obvious.. but it does make sense now.



btw..  i'm still freaked coz carrie-anne moss looks REALLY like a girl i know.. lol (used to have hots for her too.. rofl)
Title: Re:Save your money ~ Matrix 2 is a bust
Post by: bLaDe on May 27, 2003, 12:55:48 PM
lol I wrote up a summary of the story line one page back, here : http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?board=2;action=display;threadid=34203;start=20

and discussed many aspects of the story here:
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?board=2;action=display;threadid=33941

Request : Mods/Admin, could you kindly merge the two threads together, deleting the b/s nonsensical posts within them as well?  Thanks


Those links should answer many of Lyrical G's questions; and Bez summarized it pretty good too.

+ No, Zion has not been destroyed YET, only the ships which were sent forward to slow/stop the sentinals attack (thanks to Bane[the guy Smith possessed] who triggered the EMP), the machines are digging to reach Zion ,and destroy it.  It stil has some time left.

+ Elneckio: all the lil tv screens could not have represented the previous ONE's because then there would have been only 5, and in this case, there were hundreds.  I beleive the tv screens represented Neo's possible diffrent reactions, many of which also reflected the previous ONE's.  

+ I don't remember exactly how many people Neo fought single handedly in the Merovingians mansion, but I strongly doubt they could have been the previous ONE's, because (1)They weren't close to Neo's power, to be a ONE, they should atleast be able to stop bullets etc ... (2)  The architect said that the ONE's code would be disseminated and reinserted into the matrix; besides, if those guys were previous ONE's, they wouldn't be doing what they were doing in the movie

  -{bLaDe}

Title: Re:Save your money ~ Matrix 2 is a bust
Post by: LyRiCaL_G on May 27, 2003, 03:25:29 PM
haha dope!

anyways props y'all! been a long ass time since i was abit confused on a movie.........or even gave a shit about it! but ther buzz over the story even once it was finished is great! everyones got their predictions or opinions n shit! cant wait for the next one to drop!

whens it coming out?
Title: Re:Save your money ~ Matrix 2 is a bust
Post by: ·SiNiStEr· on May 27, 2003, 03:44:14 PM
october, november?

about neo's choice of the doors, i dont think so much that he was selfish and wanted love before life other than the fact that he knew the obvious choice would to be save the human race and if FIVE people tried it.. and he is still in this situation, it obviously didnt work. im thinkin his mindset was, im the one, im a badass, ill save trinity and the world at once. anyway just my thoughts.

peace
Title: Re:Save your money ~ Matrix 2 is a bust
Post by: bez on May 27, 2003, 03:46:17 PM
Nar Neo wouldent of been fighting the previous ones, I dont see how that would work of provide n e thing for the storyline, saying that the previous 1's all turn bad once they have made there choice. No way.  

They where just defending the key maker, well not defending more like trying to keep him imprisoned.
Title: Re:Save your money ~ Matrix 2 is a bust
Post by: LyRiCaL_G on May 27, 2003, 03:49:51 PM
by the way.......i think the car chase scene was sick...............well it go alot mo dope when she was on the bike and the fight on the big truck happened..........but still was dope

def lookin for the next one to come out!..............this october or november???................u playin me right?
Title: Re:Save your money ~ Matrix 2 is a bust
Post by: bez on May 27, 2003, 05:33:01 PM
nar man it is, novemmber or sumit, the 2 films where made as 1 and took sumit like 294 days of last year to shoot.  The next film will be out very soon.
Title: Re:Save your money ~ Matrix 2 is a bust
Post by: bLaDe on May 27, 2003, 06:03:32 PM
Matrix Revolutions is coming out on November 5th, this year  8)

  -{bLaDe}