West Coast Connection Forum
DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: WC Iz Active on March 21, 2007, 03:57:26 PM
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I really wanted to like this album but it just sucks. I mean P kept it real on the album but its just not a good album. And Im shocked that alot of people thought the production was great, it was solid but it could of been wayyy better.
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haven´t heard it yet, but my hopes aren´t high coz P´s dissapointed so many times in the last 5-6 years. Hav needs to bounce and start a solo career for real.
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haven´t heard it yet, but my hopes aren´t high coz P´s dissapointed so many times in the last 5-6 years. Hav needs to bounce and start a solo career for real.
I agree, I still think Hav is real dope.
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Wow, haven't heard it yet but Mac 10 Handle and New York Shit were dope. M10H was just like sinister and depressing, and I thought it was great. NYS - I love that Pac sample, great production, good lyrics from P. I didn't like P's hook though.
But I'm still anticipating hearing this album. Al can really bring heat when he wants to. As for P, my expectations for him have obviously dropped.
O and those 2 joints alone completely shit on Blood Money.
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Blood Money was weak but "Put Em In Their Place" shits on any track from Return Of The Mac
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You're usually dead on about music. I won't waste my time on this album then. Thanks.
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i havnt heard the ablum yet except for mack 10 handle and new york shit, both of which were dope. And from what ive read so far everyone is saying the album is dope. They are saying the the production is good and this is the best Pee has sounded in years. And the first album in a long time that is true to the NY sound. So I wouldnt listen to spices opinion on rap what so ever.
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yea the songs release on youtube with vids are nice but the album aint top notch for real .. didnt really like it either. then again i just listened to the album once and quickly .. would need to listen to it more to have a better opinion
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i havnt heard the ablum yet except for mack 10 handle and new york shit, both of which were dope. And from what ive read so far everyone is saying the album is dope. They are saying the the production is good and this is the best Pee has sounded in years. And the first album in a long time that is true to the NY sound. So I wouldnt listen to spices opinion on rap what so ever.
LMAO. Keep on dissin, I know good music when I hear it and this album is far from good. A couple of good tracks and thats it, not a good album at all.
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i havnt heard the ablum yet except for mack 10 handle and new york shit, both of which were dope. And from what ive read so far everyone is saying the album is dope. They are saying the the production is good and this is the best Pee has sounded in years. And the first album in a long time that is true to the NY sound. So I wouldnt listen to spices opinion on rap what so ever.
I know good music when I hear it
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA THATS IS THE FUNNIEST THING I HAVE HEARD..... and btw I noticed the AZ dickriding will begin now, christ you're a joke. Why couldnt you just stay at the dipcc.
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i havnt heard the ablum yet except for mack 10 handle and new york shit, both of which were dope. And from what ive read so far everyone is saying the album is dope. They are saying the the production is good and this is the best Pee has sounded in years. And the first album in a long time that is true to the NY sound. So I wouldnt listen to spices opinion on rap what so ever.
I know good music when I hear it
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA THATS IS THE FUNNIEST THING I HAVE HEARD..... and btw I noticed the AZ dickriding will begin now, christ you're a joke. Why couldnt you just stay at the dipcc.
sorry man I know good music when I hear it and most people here know that.
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i havnt heard the ablum yet except for mack 10 handle and new york shit, both of which were dope. And from what ive read so far everyone is saying the album is dope. They are saying the the production is good and this is the best Pee has sounded in years. And the first album in a long time that is true to the NY sound. So I wouldnt listen to spices opinion on rap what so ever.
I know good music when I hear it
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA THATS IS THE FUNNIEST THING I HAVE HEARD..... and btw I noticed the AZ dickriding will begin now, christ you're a joke. Why couldnt you just stay at the dipcc.
sorry man I know good music when I hear it and most people here know that.
My dude, usually you are on point about music, but you are a hater, at least when it comes to G-Unit. You say you tried to give it a chance, but it hasn't even been leaked for 24 hours.
I got mad love for ur knowledge of music, but you go out of your way to be a hater against anything G-Unit related. Fact is Return of the Mac is a good album, and if you don't like something, or they are nothing to you, don't waste time posting hate topics.
Your Devin thread>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>this thread. The Devin thread is the kind of stuff we like to hear from you, not this hating. We all know you hate on the Unit, no need to post this unless you just wanted to piss people off.
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^^homie everytime a new album leaks I post my opinions. I just didnt think this was a good album, of course I will give it another chance but after 1 listen I wasnt impressed. remember I didnt like Styles P "Time Is Money" at first and now I love it, maybe this will grow on me also but after 1 llsten I wasnt that impressed thats all.
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I hope your expecting another The Infamous, Blood Money etc. Out of the few rappers remiaing from the mid 90's, only a fraction of them will ever recapture the magic of that era. There will never be another Infamous, never another Hell on Earth.
Again like i said, give it a week, I rarley if ever can form a solid opinion on an album without at least a week to let it soak. Time Iz Money and Hell Hath No Fury sounded like absoulte trash, and now after time we all know they are absoulte crack.
I usually listen on a discman, home stero and my twins 8's ( lol I know they suck, but better than stock at least ) before going so far as to say an album sucks or is great.
I can't tell you what to do, and I think everyone here values your opinion as much as the next poster, but the hate threads are unncesesary imo.
Give it a week, and then let me know what u think pimpin.
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cd was ok not his best ill tell u that
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I really wanted to like this album but it just sucks. I mean P kept it real on the album but its just not a good album. And Im shocked that alot of people thought the production was great, it was solid but it could of been wayyy better.
I respect your opinion if you don’t like it, but I think you need to expand on your reasons a little more... especially since you made this thread. Saying “It just sucks” is pretty lame though, certainly not what I would expect from someone whose musical knowledge and opinions are (apparently) held in such high regard.
The fact you think Camron is the best lyricist alive isn’t exactly helping your case either. Don’t get me wrong I like Camron and dipset but, any rapper who creates pseudo words, uses baby talk and is the most notorious offender of rhyming a word with the same word isn’t, and can never be, the best rapper alive dude.
But anyways, your (misguided) beliefs on what constitutes lyrical greatness aside, I’m willing to hear you out on this Return of the Mac album if you can articulate your position a little better. What were you expecting from the album? What are you judging it against? What things in particular didn’t you like and why?
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I really wanted to like this album but it just sucks. I mean P kept it real on the album but its just not a good album. And Im shocked that alot of people thought the production was great, it was solid but it could of been wayyy better.
I respect your opinion if you don’t like it, but I think you need to expand on your reasons a little more... especially since you made this thread. Saying “It just sucks” is pretty lame though, certainly not what I would expect from someone whose musical knowledge and opinions are (apparently) held in such high regard.
The fact you think Camron is the best lyricist alive isn’t exactly helping your case either. Don’t get me wrong I like Camron and dipset but, any rapper who creates pseudo words, uses baby talk and is the most notorious offender of rhyming a word with the same word isn’t, and can never be, the best rapper alive dude.
But anyways, your (misguided) beliefs on what constitutes lyrical greatness aside, I’m willing to hear you out on this Return of the Mac album if you can articulate your position a little better. What were your expecting from the album? What are you judging it against? What things in particular didn’t you like and why?
First off I never said Cam was the best lyricist but he has dropped 5 solo albums and they were all extremely dope with 3 classics so of course I hold him in high regard. Now I only listened to "Return of the Mac" once but I will tell you why I didnt like it. The lyrics were plain, lazy, and repetitive Imo. I also was a disapointed with the production, I expected it to be better all around. I also didnt think their were any standout tracks at all on this album and the album was very short. And NO I wasnt listening to this expecting to to be comparable to vintage Mobb Deep, not at all. I will listen to this again tonight, but after 1 complete spin I wasnt impressed at all due to multiple reasons.
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I really wanted to like this album but it just sucks. I mean P kept it real on the album but its just not a good album. And Im shocked that alot of people thought the production was great, it was solid but it could of been wayyy better.
I respect your opinion if you don’t like it, but I think you need to expand on your reasons a little more... especially since you made this thread. Saying “It just sucks” is pretty lame though, certainly not what I would expect from someone whose musical knowledge and opinions are (apparently) held in such high regard.
The fact you think Camron is the best lyricist alive isn’t exactly helping your case either. Don’t get me wrong I like Camron and dipset but, any rapper who creates pseudo words, uses baby talk and is the most notorious offender of rhyming a word with the same word isn’t, and can never be, the best rapper alive dude.
But anyways, your (misguided) beliefs on what constitutes lyrical greatness aside, I’m willing to hear you out on this Return of the Mac album if you can articulate your position a little better. What were your expecting from the album? What are you judging it against? What things in particular didn’t you like and why?
First off I never said Cam was the best lyricist but he has dropped 5 solo albums and they were all extremely dope with 3 classics so of course I hold him in high regard. Now I only listened to "Return of the Mac" once but I will tell you why I didnt like it. The lyrics were plain, lazy, and repetitive Imo. I also was a disapointed with the production, I expected it to be better all around. I also didnt think their were any standout tracks at all on this album and the album was very short. And NO I wasnt listening to this expecting to to be comparable to vintage Mobb Deep, not at all. I will listen to this again tonight, but after 1 complete spin I wasnt impressed at all due to multiple reasons.
I agree with you about the lyrics. I’m in no way saying this album is bursting with [lyrical] creativity or that Prodigy is back or anything along those lines. In fact realistically prodigy’s actual wordplay has probably continued its downward spiral onto this album. Lines like:
“‘They can’t stop me’/Now I’m grown-up, so obviously they ain’t stop me.”
… are stark examples of how prodigy is still in lyrical doldrums and isn’t showing much signs of retuning to where he was earlier in his career. BUT, what Prodigy lacks in actual lyrical creativity and wordplay, he makes up for with subject matter. Dark, violent, often disturbing topics (while nothing new in hip-hop history) are definitely a step in a different direction in the current hip-hop climate. For good or ill, having your first single be a sample heavy, ultra mellow track about how you sit alone in your room high on drugs, staring at candles and creepily clutching automatic weapons is a huge deviation from the a-typical “jump off” radio single about clubs, money and other redundant topics. You have to at least applaud him for taking a different approach.
As far as Alchemist’s production…well, what can I really say. If you don’t like it then you don’t like it. But that is where I wonder about where you’re coming from in terms of expectations. Is it that you dislike Alchemist’s production all together? Or is it specific to this album? Because to me I think you are unquestionably looking at some top notch Alchemist work here. You see him using a real range of straightforward loop samples, to much more advanced sampling techniques which really balances the album out. If every song involved some complex matrix sequencer of multiple samples that’ve been chopped into a million pieces the album would be too jarring, I think there’s a perfect balance there that gives the album a real “album” feel.
I feel the production from Alchemist is definitely the key ingredient in the albums success without a doubt. Beyond just providing the backbone and consistency, Al’s production takes a lot of the focus and pressure off Prodigy to deliver the high caliber lyrics fans still expect. Alchemist’s production on this album is so organic, it really becomes a larger part of the overall song, making it difficult to single out the lyrics and dismiss the record.
For an “album” that’s being billed as a mixtape styled, warm up for Prodigy’s actual solo I think this is an all around quality piece of work and deserves to be given proper credit. Definitely give it another couple spins, let it grow on you. I think it will.