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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: MistaNova on January 05, 2011, 04:16:48 AM
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Recently I was wondering how many singles there have been where the artist would've blown instantly but for one reason or another, didn't.
Some that come to my mind would be
http://www.youtube.com/v/NJ7M2420OL4
http://www.youtube.com/v/_8JgfsiGj7s
http://www.youtube.com/v/DlDQ4pI_lvA
http://www.youtube.com/v/L01C002HKbE
http://www.youtube.com/v/AZcMdpeSfe8
http://www.youtube.com/v/2l05PLQswME
http://www.youtube.com/v/mpE9VN_jGLg
I'm pretty sure I'm missing alot more. Especially from the west.
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With the right push any song could be a hit.
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Yes, but this thread is for those that didn't get the push it should've been getting.
Like:
http://www.youtube.com/v/R9wJuvGqPsM
http://www.youtube.com/v/sdSWmeOn9wg
http://www.youtube.com/v/TPoQUD6OaNw
http://www.youtube.com/v/vpC4IQiDcsg
http://www.youtube.com/v/p74sRyhPNaU
http://www.youtube.com/v/S12zRV2XyT4
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With the right push any song could be a hit.
That's a tremendously naive statement.
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Some more
http://www.youtube.com/v/xVh4ORk3gFs
http://www.youtube.com/v/5EP13KcCrgA
http://www.youtube.com/v/vjgw904vvTs
http://www.youtube.com/v/Py_0PtwJxzA
http://www.youtube.com/v/JPX9B1uUmmY
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With the right push any song could be a hit.
That's a tremendously naive statement.
Let me put it this way:
With the right push & marketing any song with a catchy hook could be a hit.
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I always thought that Higher by Game could have been a huge single had they made a video for it.
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I can tell you why none of them really blew up..... cos they all suck apart from Nipsey feat Lloyd and Tyga.
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I can tell you why none of them really blew up..... cos they all suck apart from Nipsey feat Lloyd and Tyga.
agreed except for Saigon - Bring Me Down, shits dope
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I can tell you why none of them really blew up..... cos they all suck apart from Nipsey feat Lloyd and Tyga.
agreed except for Saigon - Bring Me Down, shits dope
Well this is a thread for singles that could've blown but didn't. These singles were made for a mainstream audience (a majority were anyway) the for-the-club type beats with very simple lyrics that's made to attract people for it's catchyness, so surely these won't appeal to all. Though IMO some like G. Malone and Young Life's singles are the best their discography has to offer.
Few more:
http://www.youtube.com/v/jk9hjospx1o
http://www.youtube.com/v/qioyqGFFfWc
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50's 'Get Up'. average lyrics but the beat was banging and catchy as hell - Storch & Dre is a sick combo. don't think the record was pushed very hard and had a crappy video. way better than 'Kush', I can imagine Dre rapping on this beat and it being infinitely better. potential for extra production as shown on the live clip with the guitars coming in and live set-up 8)
skip to 1:55...
http://www.youtube.com/v/c9wAjSybpQA?
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http://www.youtube.com/v/_PpERz3aEwE?fs=1
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honestly, in real life this would've been pretty big had it been on the radio a little more back when it came out.
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=261447.0
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With the right push any song could be a hit.
That's a tremendously naive statement.
it isn't naive at all. Its honest. Half the successful artists out are only successful because they got the right push by the right people. In terms of financial success, talent rarely has anything to do with it.
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Ya Boy - We run la didnt do too bad. It was all over the place and even on ESPN sportscenter forever lol
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^But imagine how far that song could've gone if it was pushed right.
Few more
http://www.youtube.com/v/CLklnMWl63k
http://www.youtube.com/v/j3Eny3BfCyY
http://www.youtube.com/v/Ed4GJX8nf_g
http://www.youtube.com/v/KLKuCX05meo
http://www.youtube.com/v/5e290Mrqoh4
http://www.youtube.com/v/-lrVO3pPDP4
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50's 'Get Up'. average lyrics but the beat was banging and catchy as hell - Storch & Dre is a sick combo. don't think the record was pushed very hard and had a crappy video. way better than 'Kush', I can imagine Dre rapping on this beat and it being infinitely better. potential for extra production as shown on the live clip with the guitars coming in and live set-up 8)
skip to 1:55...
http://www.youtube.com/v/c9wAjSybpQA?
the live video was dope! As far as that song I tought it was cool! I heard better from 50 but over all the mainstream industry now at days has going to shit! its like you either spit lyrical shit gangster shit that your peeps would love but not make as much money or go pop and make club tracks and simple songs for all the dummies to follow that girls will dance to but guys will think your wack cause they use to that G shit and 90' west coast rap
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Again though, the only 'complete' track out of all of them is Jay Electronica's.
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^But imagine how far that song could've gone if it was pushed right.
http://www.youtube.com/v/CLklnMWl63k
Gift of Gab did this song first
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50's 'Get Up'. average lyrics but the beat was banging and catchy as hell - Storch & Dre is a sick combo. don't think the record was pushed very hard and had a crappy video. way better than 'Kush', I can imagine Dre rapping on this beat and it being infinitely better. potential for extra production as shown on the live clip with the guitars coming in and live set-up 8)
It was a Scott Storch solo beat, right?
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50's 'Get Up'. average lyrics but the beat was banging and catchy as hell - Storch & Dre is a sick combo. don't think the record was pushed very hard and had a crappy video. way better than 'Kush', I can imagine Dre rapping on this beat and it being infinitely better. potential for extra production as shown on the live clip with the guitars coming in and live set-up 8)
It was a Scott Storch solo beat, right?
yeh and 'mixed' by Dre.
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http://www.youtube.com/v/bdWpvrlmfOE?fs=1&hl=en_GB
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Crooked I "this is how we do this"
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With the right push any song could be a hit.
That's a tremendously naive statement.
it isn't naive at all. Its honest. Half the successful artists out are only successful because they got the right push by the right people. In terms of financial success, talent rarely has anything to do with it.
Yes, talent is not the deciding factor in most cases but popularity is popularity. Audiences are unpredictable so nothing is a guarantee. I don't buy into the "right push". Product can just as easily flop by being pushed too. I think there's a lot of people with a very naive approach to how music works. There's this conspiracy theory concept of some evil Jewish billionaire like Jimmy Iovine who can make any thing a hit or a trend by pushing some magic button and making it the "greatest thing in the world". There's no denying that there is a ridicilous amount of politics, deception, and favoritism in the entertainment industry but there is also music that just plain does not catch on, no matter how hard the label pushes. So sorry, I don't buy that "all it takes is the right push" theory. I'm not denying that having the record label in your corner can be a huge deal-maker but I'd say it's more about having the right gimmick/package in terms of marketing.
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That "right push" argument is stupid.
Basically saying that anything they try to push as a major single will blow up. Meaning you're also saying there are hundreds of singles every year that labels, for some INSANE reason, don't want to properly push.
Every time an artist drops a single, the goal of the label is to make it as BIG of a song as possible.
Bottom line, going by your logic & understanding all singles are created with the intent to blow up; every single single should be the biggest song ever.
Some things just don't catch on & the public doesn't like it. Hence why "Kush" will never be as big as a Lady Gaga or Eminem single; even though we all know Interscope is doing everything in it's possible power to make it as big.
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That "right push" argument is stupid.
Basically saying that anything they try to push as a major single will blow up. Meaning you're also saying there are hundreds of singles every year that labels, for some INSANE reason, don't want to properly push.
Every time an artist drops a single, the goal of the label is to make it as BIG of a song as possible.
Bottom line, going by your logic & understanding all singles are created with the intent to blow up; every single single should be the biggest song ever.
Some things just don't catch on & the public doesn't like it. Hence why "Kush" will never be as big as a Lady Gaga or Eminem single; even though we all know Interscope is doing everything in it's possible power to make it as big.
Exactly the argument I was going for. Yes, a label can get in there and influence radio, TV, print, to get all the attention they want but it's still on the public. The fact is influence only goes so far. Even if you're paying X amount of dollars to whoever to get that record played, the people who run these stations aren't idiots. They may let a lukewarm cut ride the air once or twice but the moment the listener goes somewhere else, they are getting their livelihood fucked with. That's the bottom line. Nobody is taking gambles for artistic sake. Executives are putting their careers out for hits. Radio program directors are trying to get more people to listen to the music. Nobody is sitting around patiently waiting for a track to blow. It either makes noise or it doesn't. You think XXL will let the record labels push them to put an artist on their cover that will make them lose sales to The Source? Everybody wants to be the best at what they do so yes, it's certainly a political enviroment but the buying public will always have final say.
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With the right push any song could be a hit.
That's a tremendously naive statement.
it isn't naive at all. Its honest. Half the successful artists out are only successful because they got the right push by the right people. In terms of financial success, talent rarely has anything to do with it.
Yes, talent is not the deciding factor in most cases but popularity is popularity. Audiences are unpredictable so nothing is a guarantee. I don't buy into the "right push". Product can just as easily flop by being pushed too. I think there's a lot of people with a very naive approach to how music works. There's this conspiracy theory concept of some evil Jewish billionaire like Jimmy Iovine who can make any thing a hit or a trend by pushing some magic button and making it the "greatest thing in the world". There's no denying that there is a ridicilous amount of politics, deception, and favoritism in the entertainment industry but there is also music that just plain does not catch on, no matter how hard the label pushes. So sorry, I don't buy that "all it takes is the right push" theory. I'm not denying that having the record label in your corner can be a huge deal-maker but I'd say it's more about having the right gimmick/package in terms of marketing.
I agree with most of that. Your mistake is assuming that what I said was a blanket generalisation on music as a whole. Of course it takes talent in a certain dose, of course it takes the public to be receptive. But its not as simple as that. There is middle ground. If there wasn't then all great songs would find their audience and these days, that simply isnt true.
"The right push" isn't what makes a song a hit, but its what gives the song an audience to BECOME a hit. I think thats the main point here.