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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: mauzip on July 01, 2003, 12:55:48 PM
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WTF!!
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A useless thread. Congratulations.
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My little brother picked this album up... Hes 9 years old (he dont know bless him) lol.. he likes it.. i dont mind it.. Its not exactly hip hop or rap... but it wouldnt go as far as saying i hate it.
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At least comment on it, and set up a conversation/argument. Don't make yourself look like more of a moron than you already are.
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My little brother picked this album up... Hes 9 years old (he dont know bless him) lol.. he likes it.. i dont mind it.. Its not exactly hip hop or rap... but it wouldnt go as far as saying i hate it.
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i like the album, but i dont view it as rap. its pop music.
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It's still a classic one year after its release. With songs like "Splurge" and "Work It" you just can't deny it.
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A useless thread. Congratulations.
lol ;D
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sucks, i kinda liked country gramar, but its pop, but the new 1 sucked
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i like country grammar better...it has more songs i like and even though their getting old it was still better quality...i loved "luvin me" and "for my" and shit...every other track on that cd. the only songs i was really feelin off nellyville were "nellyville", "hot in herre" "roc the mic remix" "#1" "dilemma" and "CG2"
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country grammar was the better album...but nellyville was tight...all hatin aside...its just as pop as the new snoop....or any eminem album...
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country grammar was the better album...but nellyville was tight...all hatin aside...its just as pop as the new snoop....or any eminem album...
i agree entirely...the whole reason they call anything pop is because its POPular...which makes anything mainstream pop. although i would call some artists more pop than others...anything mainstream is pop.
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I don't associate pop with popular music but with a type of music..
unlike Em Nelly ain't got no lyrics or anything to respect as a hiphop fan even though both got pop singles
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i dont associate it like that either...but that is what pop is meant to be...thats why if you ever watch some bullshit award show and you see like best pop artist and you see em and nelly in there...they are considered pop
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I don't associate pop with popular music but with a type of music..
unlike Em Nelly ain't got no lyrics or anything to respect as a hiphop fan even though both got pop singles
well...i hate to break it to u...but ur boy 50 would be in the same boat as nelly...in that case...right or wrong?....pop is pop....if its on mtv...its pop...on the radio more than 5 times a day...pop...sorry but its the truth...
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country grammar was the better album...but nellyville was tight...all hatin aside...its just as pop as the new snoop....or any eminem album...
i agree entirely...the whole reason they call anything pop is because its POPular...which makes anything mainstream pop. although i would call some artists more pop than others...anything mainstream is pop.
Nelly makes good music.
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I don't associate pop with popular music but with a type of music..
unlike Em Nelly ain't got no lyrics or anything to respect as a hiphop fan even though both got pop singles
well...i hate to break it to u...but ur boy 50 would be in the same boat as nelly...in that case...right or wrong?....pop is pop....if its on mtv...its pop...on the radio more than 5 times a day...pop...sorry but its the truth...
very well said...i'd give u props if i had the power to do it lol
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Nelly needs to be curbstomped back into obscurity.
And take that homo with the mask back to the St. Loony bin.
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I don't associate pop with popular music but with a type of music..
unlike Em Nelly ain't got no lyrics or anything to respect as a hiphop fan even though both got pop singles
well...i hate to break it to u...but ur boy 50 would be in the same boat as nelly...in that case...right or wrong?....pop is pop....if its on mtv...its pop...on the radio more than 5 times a day...pop...sorry but its the truth...
very well said...i'd give u props if i had the power to do it lol
Eminem is more pop than anyone alive. With his wanna be gangsta image.
Why do think he picked up 50?
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country grammar definately better but i actually was just listening to this and i was listening to "say now" not a bad song actually, been feelin' it lately
peace
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i like country grammar better...it has more songs i like and even though their getting old it was still better quality...i loved "luvin me" and "for my" and shit...every other track on that cd. the only songs i was really feelin off nellyville were "nellyville", "hot in herre" "roc the mic remix" "#1" "dilemma" and "CG2"
yup yup
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I don't associate pop with popular music but with a type of music..
unlike Em Nelly ain't got no lyrics or anything to respect as a hiphop fan even though both got pop singles
well...i hate to break it to u...but ur boy 50 would be in the same boat as nelly...in that case...right or wrong?....pop is pop....if its on mtv...its pop...on the radio more than 5 times a day...pop...sorry but its the truth...
wrong
u hear a difference between In Da Club and Cry Me A River?
rap <--> pop..
Nelly ain't really rappin
Ja Rule is more singin that rappin so that's RnB
there's the difference
50 sings a hook pretty often but that's it
I agree both do popular music so does/did Pac, Biggie, Nas and many more and i ain't see people callin their shit pop
all this "popular music" talk is some silly shit and it ain't gettin to the point cuz yall are givin it a different meaning than the discussion about Nelly was originally meant to have..
nobody is blaming Nelly for being popular but for the type of music he makes
Eminem is more pop than anyone alive. With his wanna be gangsta image.
Why do think he picked up 50?
how is Em a wanna be G when he clearly sais he ain't?
just check is wanksta remix as one of numerous examples "I ain't no gangsta I ain't got to stop frontin"
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I don't associate pop with popular music but with a type of music..
unlike Em Nelly ain't got no lyrics or anything to respect as a hiphop fan even though both got pop singles
well...i hate to break it to u...but ur boy 50 would be in the same boat as nelly...in that case...right or wrong?....pop is pop....if its on mtv...its pop...on the radio more than 5 times a day...pop...sorry but its the truth...
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u hear a difference between In Da Club and Cry Me A River?
rap <--> pop..
Nelly ain't really rappin
Ja Rule is more singin that rappin so that's RnB
there's the difference
50 sings a hook pretty often but that's it
I agree both do popular music so does/did Pac, Biggie, Nas and many more and i ain't see people callin their shit pop
all this "popular music" talk is some silly shit and it ain't gettin to the point cuz yall are givin it a different meaning than the discussion about Nelly was originally meant to have..
nobody is blaming Nelly for being popular but for the type of music he makes
Eminem is more pop than anyone alive. With his wanna be gangsta image.
Why do think he picked up 50?
how is Em a wanna be G when he clearly sais he ain't?
just check is wanksta remix as one of numerous examples "I ain't no gangsta I ain't got to stop frontin"
i dont see any difference in nellys content as opposed to 50s...its pretty much the same ol shit...as for in da club and cry me a river...if ur goin that route...then e.i. and cry me a river are nothin a like...accordin to ur way of thinkin...nelly is not pop...nelly raps...but he has a sing songy voice...ja rule raps...but he incorporates a harmony...like bone thugs...are bone thugs r & b?....
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no they have an won style of 'singin' plus it's not all singin
some of em got a very fast flow n shit
Ja Rule obviesly sings just check out that single with Ashanti some time ago..
speakin on features.. that's another aspect of being pop/RnB.. Ashanti kinda is Ja's standart feature.. that's not HipHop
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why don't we just call Nelly and Ja Rule hippop? ;)
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works for me ;)
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LoL @ SGV starting useless discussion (knowing he's wrong) just to get people pissed.. :D
There's a difference between being popular and making pop-music.
Eminem, Nelly & 50 Cent all makes popular music, but Nelly is the only that actually makes pop-music.
End of story.
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In my mind there is a different in being pop and making commercial music.
Eminem is pop but (for the most part) does not make commercial music.
I find it funny how popularity changes some people's opinions of thier music. Someone like DJ Quik makes more commercial music than Eminem or 50 Cent. "Hand In Hand" or "Pitch In On A Party" are more commercial than "Without Me" or "In Da Club" and if those two songs blew up people would start talking shit about Quik and putting him in the "pop-music" category.
I don't think I worded it well. :-\
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In my mind there is a different in being pop and making commercial music.
Eminem is pop but (for the most part) does not make commercial music.
I find it funny how popularity changes some people's opinions of thier music. Someone like DJ Quik makes more commercial music than Eminem or 50 Cent. "Hand In Hand" or "Pitch In On A Party" are more commercial than "Without Me" or "In Da Club" and if those two songs blew up people would start talking shit about Quik and putting him in the "pop-music" category.
I don't think I worded it well. :-\
Yes, you did.
But as long as DJ Quik are selling 10K records, people aren't gonna categorize him as neither pop or popular.
Even Ras Kass have made just as poppy songs as Eminem & 50 Cent, but he doesn't sell, so he doesn't get blasted..
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I don't see much of a difference between the formula for "In Da Club" and "Hot In Herre" or "21 Questions" and "Dilemma". To me it's all pop (not popular) but the style of music = soft radio friendly, catchy hooks and beats with very little substance or no substance at all.
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i try to keep an open mind about things...not a big nelly fan but some of his tracks are really good...for some reason air force ones is one of my fav tracks of the year....and listening to snoop is pretty much the same as listening to nelly anymore...i hated country grammar though
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I was feelin Dilemma when I first heard it last summer :-[
But it got pretty old after a few listens...
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i have never checked any of nellys shit because his shit don't interest me
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no they have an won style of 'singin' plus it's not all singin
some of em got a very fast flow n shit
Ja Rule obviesly sings just check out that single with Ashanti some time ago..
speakin on features.. that's another aspect of being pop/RnB.. Ashanti kinda is Ja's standart feature.. that's not HipHop
ja doesnt sing notes homie...he just softens his voice...and ashanti is on jas label....shes r & b...nate dogg isnt hip hop...and hes on 50's song...so whats the difference?...ur reachin...ur reachin a lot...hip hop and r & b have always had a good relationship....theyve always collabed...that doesnt take away from ur credability as a hip hop artist...
LoL @ SGV starting useless discussion (knowing he's wrong) just to get people pissed.. :D
There's a difference between being popular and making pop-music.
Eminem, Nelly & 50 Cent all makes popular music, but Nelly is the only that actually makes pop-music.
End of story.
lmao...i dont know im wrong...i know im right....u wont admit that 50 has faults...how is nelly makin pop-music?...he talks about guns...he talks about sex...drugs...um...last time i heard 50 he was talkin about the same shit...am i right?
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In my mind there is a different in being pop and making commercial music.
Eminem is pop but (for the most part) does not make commercial music.
I find it funny how popularity changes some people's opinions of thier music. Someone like DJ Quik makes more commercial music than Eminem or 50 Cent. "Hand In Hand" or "Pitch In On A Party" are more commercial than "Without Me" or "In Da Club" and if those two songs blew up people would start talking shit about Quik and putting him in the "pop-music" category.
I don't think I worded it well. :-\
more commercial than "without me?" lmao...thats ridiculous...
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more commercial than "without me?" lmao...thats ridiculous...
lol...i agree on that one...theres nothing more commercial than without me.
not a big nelly fan but some of his tracks are really good...for some reason air force ones is one of my fav tracks of the year....
i hated that song...i used to love nelly...i loved everything he did until i heard that. i never thought his lyrics were that bad...until he made a song about shoes! seriously...i would rather hear about bitches and ice...i dont give a shit about his shoes! lol...i lost a lot of respect for nelly after that song dropped...even when it was just on the album i had the same respect for him i always had...but when it became a video and shit...and everyone started lovin the song about shoes...shit i thought hip hop had officially died. it sure as hell isnt in good health.
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more commercial than "without me?" lmao...thats ridiculous...
lol...i agree on that one...theres nothing more commercial than without me.
not a big nelly fan but some of his tracks are really good...for some reason air force ones is one of my fav tracks of the year....
i hated that song...i used to love nelly...i loved everything he did until i heard that. i never thought his lyrics were that bad...until he made a song about shoes! seriously...i would rather hear about bitches and ice...i dont give a shit about his shoes! lol...i lost a lot of respect for nelly after that song dropped...even when it was just on the album i had the same respect for him i always had...but when it became a video and shit...and everyone started lovin the song about shoes...shit i thought hip hop had officially died. it sure as hell isnt in good health.
What about when Run DMC did the classic "My Adidas"?
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lol ppl always ask that...i never really felt that song either...i didnt lose any respect for them as a result of it because they have done so much for hip hop that losing respect for them is like losing a piece of hip hop itself..they have enough room to make a fuck up song now and then (and im probably the only person who thinks of that song that way)...either way i dont hate that song like i do air force ones...but the lyrics of it are...eh.
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no they have an won style of 'singin' plus it's not all singin
some of em got a very fast flow n shit
Ja Rule obviesly sings just check out that single with Ashanti some time ago..
speakin on features.. that's another aspect of being pop/RnB.. Ashanti kinda is Ja's standart feature.. that's not HipHop
ja doesnt sing notes homie...he just softens his voice...and ashanti is on jas label....shes r & b...nate dogg isnt hip hop...and hes on 50's song...so whats the difference?...ur reachin...ur reachin a lot...hip hop and r & b have always had a good relationship....theyve always collabed...that doesnt take away from ur credability as a hip hop artist...
Ja does sing without a doubt.. I know he sometimes just softens his voice as u call it but he sings too.. that track he did with R. Kelly was just a RnB song with 2 RnB singers.. one of em having Ja's horrible singing voice
Nate is something different he got a unique style and his hooks are hiphop hooks.. Danny Boy is an example for a typical RnB cat who jut had collabos with rappers.. Nate on the other hand ain't hiphop on solo shit cuz that's 100% singin but on hooks he is..
I ain't gotta tell u the difference, u know it.. Ashanti solo is pop Nate solo isn't, Ashanti hooks are RnB Nate hooks are HipHop
anyway I never said I mind rappers singin hooks but Ja either sings verses or 75% of his tracks consists of the hook.. that's RnB
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dude! 'air force one' is great for in the club!
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THe picture of Nelly below your name makes me want to slap him. I bought his music, he's cool for when I want to have a party. but, he's not for blasting on the block. I went to a Nelly concert. It was funny seeing all these little girls who have been using Daddy's money all their lives looking either nervous, or in awe of the TImberland wearing, Sean Jhon rocking brothers that were there. I saw group of them walk up to a bunch of dudes like they were exhibits. They did end up walking away with them though. :)
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Ja does sing without a doubt.. I know he sometimes just softens his voice as u call it but he sings too.. that track he did with R. Kelly was just a RnB song with 2 RnB singers.. one of em having Ja's horrible singing voice
Nate is something different he got a unique style and his hooks are hiphop hooks.. Danny Boy is an example for a typical RnB cat who jut had collabos with rappers.. Nate on the other hand ain't hiphop on solo shit cuz that's 100% singin but on hooks he is..
I ain't gotta tell u the difference, u know it.. Ashanti solo is pop Nate solo isn't, Ashanti hooks are RnB Nate hooks are HipHop
anyway I never said I mind rappers singin hooks but Ja either sings verses or 75% of his tracks consists of the hook.. that's RnB
Ja aint singin...if he was singin he would have notes...just like snoop says dre had him flow on "g thang" where it sounded like he was signin...thats what ja does...its sorta harmonizin...like bone thugs...but i take it u hate bone thugs too right?...and as for nate and ashanti...r & b is r & b...nate isnt rappin...hes signin...therefore that makes it r & b...but whatever...ur so stuck in ur bias for ja rule that u wont ever give him a bit of credit...so u know tho...Ja has always been harmonizin...even on Venni Vetti Vicci or however its spelled...but people liked ja back then....so u probably didnt notice...
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well said...my thoughts exactly...i posted this on http://tqfans.proboards6.com awhile back...its my thoughts on ja rule and why ppl diss on him...this is what i said:
ok we've had plent of topics with ppl dissing ja rule because he "sings his raps"...well heres my thoughts and i want everybody to reply to this sh!t because i have some points that i think you guys will be able to agree with...first off i can see why ppl diss ja for always having the R&B bitches on hooks...ashanti got old, christina milian got old, lil mo got old...that i can understand and i think he needs to quit with that sh!t...but as far as him "singing"...why the fuŠk does everyone pick on him for it? if your gonna pick on a rapper for singing instead of rapping then do the same for every single bone thug and mo thug! true bone has better skills...but it aint like ja is the first to do it. personally i like his style and i would hate it if he went back to the "holla holla" style...i loved holla holla but the rest of that album was straight bullsh!t! there were like 4 good tracks...but seriously...why pick on ja for singing when bone did it too...this is one of the reasons i think 50 cent is a fag for getting at ja for singing...everybody here has heard the "get rich or die trying" cd...there are about 5-10 songs where 50 sings the fuŠkin hook! why is he any better than ja then! so heres my final thought...if you wanna diss on ja...diss on him for havin the R&B bitches on his hooks all the time. but the singing thing really is nothing to get on him for.
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well said...my thoughts exactly...i posted this on http://tqfans.proboards6.com awhile back...its my thoughts on ja rule and why ppl diss on him...this is what i said:
ok we've had plent of topics with ppl dissing ja rule because he "sings his raps"...well heres my thoughts and i want everybody to reply to this sh!t because i have some points that i think you guys will be able to agree with...first off i can see why ppl diss ja for always having the R&B bitches on hooks...ashanti got old, christina milian got old, lil mo got old...that i can understand and i think he needs to quit with that sh!t...but as far as him "singing"...why the fuŠk does everyone pick on him for it? if your gonna pick on a rapper for singing instead of rapping then do the same for every single bone thug and mo thug! true bone has better skills...but it aint like ja is the first to do it. personally i like his style and i would hate it if he went back to the "holla holla" style...i loved holla holla but the rest of that album was straight bullsh!t! there were like 4 good tracks...but seriously...why pick on ja for singing when bone did it too...this is one of the reasons i think 50 cent is a fag for getting at ja for singing...everybody here has heard the "get rich or die trying" cd...there are about 5-10 songs where 50 sings the fuŠkin hook! why is he any better than ja then! so heres my final thought...if you wanna diss on ja...diss on him for havin the R&B bitches on his hooks all the time. but the singing thing really is nothing to get on him for.
i guess there is a difference when bone and 50 do it...there is always a difference for these people...its no use tho...they will do some selective readin...and reply with some reason why 50 and bone are different...
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Ja aint singin...if he was singin he would have notes...just like snoop says dre had him flow on "g thang" where it sounded like he was signin...thats what ja does...its sorta harmonizin...like bone thugs...but i take it u hate bone thugs too right?...and as for nate and ashanti...r & b is r & b...nate isnt rappin...hes signin...therefore that makes it r & b...but whatever...ur so stuck in ur bias for ja rule that u wont ever give him a bit of credit...so u know tho...Ja has always been harmonizin...even on Venni Vetti Vicci or however its spelled...but people liked ja back then....so u probably didnt notice...
just listen to that song if u still say he doesn't sing there's something wrong with u.. it's nothin like Snoop on G Thang and i know Nate isn't rappin but his hooks are HipHop hooks, Ashanti's aren't, that's all I was sayin..
the reason I won't give Ja credit is cuz he don't deserve credit.. unlike u I don't see the fact that many hate him as a reason to give him credit him but everybody got his own oppinion.. if Ja's real hiphop in ur mind that's ur hiphop then..
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just listen to that song if u still say he doesn't sing there's something wrong with u.. it's nothin like Snoop on G Thang and i know Nate isn't rappin but his hooks are HipHop hooks, Ashanti's aren't, that's all I was sayin..
the reason I won't give Ja credit is cuz he don't deserve credit.. unlike u I don't see the fact that many hate him as a reason to give him credit him but everybody got his own oppinion.. if Ja's real hiphop in ur mind that's ur hiphop then..
no singin hook is a hip hop hook...if it aint rappin...then it aint hip hop...thats ow i see it..i mean i dont even like ja...but its dumb that everyone hates on him...but gives passes to everyone else...and please...dont get started with real hip hop...cuz u like 50...and 50 is no better than ja...theyre both destroyin hip hop...but there is no such thing as REAL hip hop...cuz all hip hop is real...
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...and 50 is no better than ja...theyre both destroyin hip hop...
I haven't followed this whole retarded thread but how are they destroying hip-hop, 50 Cent in particular?
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just ask people what kind of hooks they like the best for HipHop tracks and like 50% of westside fans will tell u a Nate Dogg hook.. so how can his hooks not be hiphop
he did so many classic joints and many tracks wouldn't be half of as good as they are with Nate on it.. how can u ever compare him to Ashanti
just cuz he ain't got much lyrical skill 50 ain't destroying HipHop.. unlike Ja he has an own style and he ain't a fake.. he was livin what he rapped about and he didn't have to bite..
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...and 50 is no better than ja...theyre both destroyin hip hop...
I haven't followed this whole retarded thread but how are they destroying hip-hop, 50 Cent in particular?
because they come with stupid simple bullshit lyrics and annoying R&B bitches on hooks...if they would put just a little more thought into their rhymes and say some intelligent shit instead of "i got shot 5 times in the chest, i'm a thug nigga, thats why i got a vest..." then maybe they wouldnt be corrupting the hip hop industry...ppl dont realize the bullshit that comes out of their mouths. i havent heard 50 cent say anything worth listening to since he signed to aftermath...when he was on trackmasters he was the fuckin bomb. now hes just a bitch.
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I haven't followed this whole retarded thread but how are they destroying hip-hop, 50 Cent in particular?
50 is bringin nothin new to the table...and by him explodin the way he did...it sets hip hop back...the whole gangsta shit is lame now...im gettin tired of it...and im sure a lotta people are too...everyone is gangsta...everyone is thug...everyone are huge crack dealers...its tired...and to me...its destroyin hip hop...cuz theyre "leading" hip hop right now...
just ask people what kind of hooks they like the best for HipHop tracks and like 50% of westside fans will tell u a Nate Dogg hook.. so how can his hooks not be hiphop
he did so many classic joints and many tracks wouldn't be half of as good as they are with Nate on it.. how can u ever compare him to Ashanti
just cuz he ain't got much lyrical skill 50 ain't destroying HipHop.. unlike Ja he has an own style and he ain't a fake.. he was livin what he rapped about and he didn't have to bite..
im not sayin nate dogg is like ashanti...but theyre both r & b...its plain and simple...nate sings...ashanti sings...its the same shit no matter how u look at it...as for 50 havin his own style..um...no...if u go back and listen to the children of the corn songs...ull hear a young murda mase spittin the shit that 50 is spittin now...on top of that...50 now sounds like mase...and he...like ja...ride on the coattails of tupac...so he aint that original...also...u constantly talkin about whos fake...how do u know foo?...u aint runnin with 50 in the streets...so chill on that...ja raps what he lived as much as 50...
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because they come with stupid simple bullshit lyrics and annoying R&B bitches on hooks...
so Nate Dogg is now considered a RnB bitch..? Ima remind u of that later when we talk about him again
im not sayin nate dogg is like ashanti...but theyre both r & b...its plain and simple...nate sings...ashanti sings...its the same shit no matter how u look at it...as for 50 havin his own style..um...no...if u go back and listen to the children of the corn songs...ull hear a young murda mase spittin the shit that 50 is spittin now...on top of that...50 now sounds like mase...and he...like ja...ride on the coattails of tupac...so he aint that original...also...u constantly talkin about whos fake...how do u know foo?...u aint runnin with 50 in the streets...so chill on that...ja raps what he lived as much as 50...
ask people if they consider Bitch Please, Next Episode, Lay Low and all those tracks Rap/RnB collabos or 100% hiphop.. it seems like u don't wanna see what I'm sayin
and 50 did not ask for gettin shot in the face foo.. he ain't bitin Mase he can't helpt the way he speaks
Mase never did shit like singin the hooks which is also 50's style, it's not all about the way he speaks..
as for the Pac shit.. 50 is nothin line Pac, not the image, not the style, not the lyrics.. there's 2 tracks that got something to do with Pac, both being Ja disses which wouldn't even exist if it wasn't for the Ja beef
callin him a Pac biter is a joke
and how u gonna blame 50 for destroyin cuz he's a Gangsta Rapper.. that's some funny shit LoL I guess u hate the bay area and all them other foo's rappin about exactly the same shit too..
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ask people if they consider Bitch Please, Next Episode, Lay Low and all those tracks Rap/RnB collabos or 100% hiphop.. it seems like u don't wanna see what I'm sayin
and 50 did not ask for gettin shot in the face foo.. he ain't bitin Mase he can't helpt the way he speaks
Mase never did shit like singin the hooks which is also 50's style, it's not all about the way he speaks..
as for the Pac shit.. 50 is nothin line Pac, not the image, not the style, not the lyrics.. there's 2 tracks that got something to do with Pac, both being Ja disses which wouldn't even exist if it wasn't for the Ja beef
callin him a Pac biter is a joke
and how u gonna blame 50 for destroyin cuz he's a Gangsta Rapper.. that's some funny shit LoL I guess u hate the bay area and all them other foo's rappin about exactly the same shit too..
i consider them r & b and hip hop collabs....cuz nate sings...its that simple...and he sounds like mase...thats the thick and thin of it...regardless of what happened to him...he sounds like mase....and singin hooks...thats jas style...ja was doin that on venni vetti vicci...lol...50 uses that contraversy that pac used...the constant promotion of his gettin shot...his super thug talk...i thought this before he made any of those tracks dissin ja with em..and since 50 is in the mainstream...leadin hip hop...he is destroyin it...someone from the bay aint really affectin hip hop as much as someone like 50...but all gangster shit is gettin tired...if they cant do it in a lyrical manner...then really its pretty lame...like i said...its 2003...the bar has been raised...people need to step up their lyrics....
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dont be upset jome...the truth must hurt?
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i consider them r & b and hip hop collabs....cuz nate sings...its that simple...and he sounds like mase...thats the thick and thin of it...regardless of what happened to him...he sounds like mase....and singin hooks...thats jas style...ja was doin that on venni vetti vicci...lol...50 uses that contraversy that pac used...the constant promotion of his gettin shot...his super thug talk...i thought this before he made any of those tracks dissin ja with em..and since 50 is in the mainstream...leadin hip hop...he is destroyin it...someone from the bay aint really affectin hip hop as much as someone like 50...but all gangster shit is gettin tired...if they cant do it in a lyrical manner...then really its pretty lame...like i said...its 2003...the bar has been raised...people need to step up their lyrics....
well it's not surprising u do consider them RnB/HipHop collabs after all this talk but I doubt many do.. it does matter what happened to him cuz he doesn't bite when it's not even his fault.. and singin hooks is not Ja's style he jacked his style from DMX anyway and 50 50's way of singin is differnet to Ja's. and that Gangsta image is nothin Pac was the first to represent.. both claim Gangsta.. both been shot.. so what, how does that make 50 a biter lol
and if u think Gangsta lyrics are played that's ur oppinion, many still wanna listen to them and a rapper is definatly not destroyin hiphop cuz he got simple lyrics that's for sure
Snoop and everybody be talking about Gangsta shit so ur porblem isn't 50 but Gangsta rap.. if u think Gangsta Rap is destroyin hiphop that's ur oppinion then but don't blame it on 50 just cuz he's sellin
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because they come with stupid simple bullshit lyrics and annoying R&B bitches on hooks...if they would put just a little more thought into their rhymes and say some intelligent shit instead of "i got shot 5 times in the chest, i'm a thug nigga, thats why i got a vest..." then maybe they wouldnt be corrupting the hip hop industry...ppl dont realize the bullshit that comes out of their mouths.
Then by that, a whole lot of people are "destroying" hip-hop. I'd say Snoop Dogg is too by that reasoning.
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well it's not surprising u do consider them RnB/HipHop collabs after all this talk but I doubt many do.. it does matter what happened to him cuz he doesn't bite when it's not even his fault.. and singin hooks is not Ja's style he jacked his style from DMX anyway and 50 50's way of singin is differnet to Ja's. and that Gangsta image is nothin Pac was the first to represent.. both claim Gangsta.. both been shot.. so what, how does that make 50 a biter lol
and if u think Gangsta lyrics are played that's ur oppinion, many still wanna listen to them and a rapper is definatly not destroyin hiphop cuz he got simple lyrics that's for sure
Snoop and everybody be talking about Gangsta shit so ur porblem isn't 50 but Gangsta rap.. if u think Gangsta Rap is destroyin hiphop that's ur oppinion then but don't blame it on 50 just cuz he's sellin
lmao...so singin hooks is dmx style?...then 50 bit that off him...and yes 50 is usin the same formula pac used...if u dont see it then ur just blind to the fact...and as for 50 ruinin rap...he is...because he is sellin...snoop didnt do that well with this last album...but the garbage he spews out aint good for hip hop either since hes a major figure in the game...theyre the leaders...and theyre settin bad examples...how are they not hurtin hip hop?....not to mention the garbage beefs theyre apart of...shady/murder inc...worst battle in all of hip hop...dpg/deathrow...another lame ass beef....those aint helpin hip hop one bit...
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lmao...so singin hooks is dmx style?...then 50 bit that off him...and yes 50 is usin the same formula pac used...if u dont see it then ur just blind to the fact...and as for 50 ruinin rap...he is...because he is sellin...snoop didnt do that well with this last album...but the garbage he spews out aint good for hip hop either since hes a major figure in the game...theyre the leaders...and theyre settin bad examples...how are they not hurtin hip hop?....not to mention the garbage beefs theyre apart of...shady/murder inc...worst battle in all of hip hop...dpg/deathrow...another lame ass beef....those aint helpin hip hop one bit...
Ja Rules style he had back when he was aight was DMX style.. not singin hooks in general.. 5mentioned it several times.. he's not like Pac, he's not tryin to change the society like Pac tried or pretended to be tryin.. he said he's not the type who will try and save all children in the world all he cares about is his own.. (please get it.. it's just an example we don't need to discuss the details)Pac was all about that kinda shit, what people be praising him for is his deep lyrics and 50 is nothin like that.. expect for the gangsta image and the fact that they got shot there's nothin they have in common
what u said about destroyin hiphop is like I said before nothin 50 is to blame for.. it's ur very personal oppinion that simple gangsta lyrics destroy hiphop.. u can't just say it's a fact.. I 'm sure I'm far from being the only one to disagree on that 'fact'
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Ja Rules style he had back when he was aight was DMX style.. not singin hooks in general.. 5mentioned it several times.. he's not like Pac, he's not tryin to change the society like Pac tried or pretended to be tryin.. he said he's not the type who will try and save all children in the world all he cares about is his own.. (please get it.. it's just an example we don't need to discuss the details)Pac was all about that kinda shit, what people be praising him for is his deep lyrics and 50 is nothin like that.. expect for the gangsta image and the fact that they got shot there's nothin they have in common
what u said about destroyin hiphop is like I said before nothin 50 is to blame for.. it's ur very personal oppinion that simple gangsta lyrics destroy hiphop.. u can't just say it's a fact.. I 'm sure I'm far from being the only one to disagree on that 'fact'
im not sayin 50 is makin deep songs...cuz he aint capable of it...but hes usin the same contraversy angle that pac used...u cant tell me hes not...and not only is 50s horrible lyrics killin hip hop...but those crappy diss records and the shitty battle hes involved with aint helpin either....this guy is supposed to be a leader now in hip hop...and hes doin nothin new...
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dont be upset jome...the truth must hurt?
I read the line about 50 setting hiphop back, and then concluded with "bullshit".
I couldn't be bothered reading the rest of the bull..
The hating has gone over board.. before you left it was at least sorta believable, but now it seems you don't even believe what you are writing yourself.
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I read the line about 50 setting hiphop back, and then concluded with "bullshit".
I couldn't be bothered reading the rest of the bull..
The hating has gone over board.. before you left it was at least sorta believable, but now it seems you don't even believe what you are writing yourself.
i believe everything i write...50 is ruinin hip hop...since hes in the forefront...if he was just playin a back role...hed still be hurtin hip hop...but not as bad as he is now...
btw....as long as everyone hates on ja like this...or hates on nelly etc...ima continue to hate on 50...cuz if its ok to hate on ja or nelly...then its fine to hate on someone as talentless if not worse than them...
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btw....as long as everyone hates on ja like this...or hates on nelly etc...ima continue to hate on 50...cuz if its ok to hate on ja or nelly...then its fine to hate on someone as talentless if not worse than them...
There's the key right there..
Hate, just to hate.. and maybe make up some reasons to hate on the way.
Whatever happened to good old hating with some actual legit reasons ??
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ok first off...jas style is nothing like dmx...and his old still when "he was still aight" was the gayest shit i've heard in a long time...holla holla was dope and the rest of that album sucked..and i have to disagree w/ SGV on one thing...he said 50 wasnt capable of making rhymes that are a little more complex...he is very capable of that...thats why i think he is such a bullshit rapper and so is everyone like him. they are all capable of doing something with what they have and they choose to put out bullshit. and yes hoe hopper...i will tell you right now im not a very big fan of the bay area stuff...sure i like the beats and stuff (or some of them) but for the most part i dont really like the rappers...there are a few i am feeling but not enough for me to say that the bay area adds anything to hip hop that we couldnt do without...and hoe hopper...you asked me a few posts back if i would call nate dogg an R&B bitch...i know i said them but i really meant ja w/ the r&b bitches...50 doesnt really have a problem with them....nate dogg isnt an R&B bitch...but he is R&B. i would call some of the tracks you named R&B/Rap Collabo's too...i would definetely call "Lay Low" an R&B/Rap Track...in fact i would consider all of them R&B/Rap to a point...but when i say R&B/Rap i mean stuff like Between me & You, Put It On Me, and yes...21 Questions is. nate has something no other R&B singers do...the capability to be on a track and have it be straight gangsta hip hop or be on another track and have it be R&B...very few R&B singers can do that...TQ can do it, Butch Cassidy can do it, and Kokane can do it (to a point) and thats all...no other singers can do that. i have to agree w/ what SGV said about 50 and snoop too...the reason i would say some of their stuff is bullshit is because they are in the higher class of hip hop...they are the ones selling or the ones well known and they should be setting an example for up and coming rappers and for the ppl that listen to them. if a young kid hears snoop rapping about weed or 50 rapping about guns and sex then whats he gonna think is right? atleast if you make it a little deeper and keep the same point to the song the child wont understand the shit lol...but 50 is very capable of making something deep but yet he uses his skills to put out a track that promotes sex, violence, and drugs...he is a role model. for this same reason i dont agree w/ a lot of the things eminem raps about (mainly on the marshall mathers lp)...the mmlp was total bullshit. it was all poppy songs that the general public would love and it said nothing useful. whereas the eminem show got a lot more personal and a lot more complex. every artist is capable of putting out something that helps the status of hip hop...but hip hop is in the worst condition it has ever been in...we have an abundance of bullshit music. and it isnt even just in hip hop...every genre of music has it. rock has shit like Sum 41 and Blink 182 (although many disagree w/ me), R&B has shit like Lil' Mo, and Sisqo (even though he does make some dope songs), Country has (well i dont know country but im sure it has some too), and even techno is getting a little fucked up (T.A.T.U. can definetely be considered a downfall of techno)...damn...i'm tired of typing...i got more to say but as you can see this is a long ass post...ill type more later lol
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There's the key right there..
Hate, just to hate.. and maybe make up some reasons to hate on the way.
Whatever happened to good old hating with some actual legit reasons ??
i got actual reasons...i couldnt stand him in 99 either...
breezy...u were on point...
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for this same reason i dont agree w/ a lot of the things eminem raps about (mainly on the marshall mathers lp)...the mmlp was total bullshit. it was all poppy songs that the general public would love and it said nothing useful. whereas the eminem show got a lot more personal and a lot more complex.
That is nonsense. How are "Kill U", "The Way I Am", "Remember Me", "Amityville", "Kim", "Criminal", etc. all poppy songs? That album is far from commercial..
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im not sayin 50 is makin deep songs...cuz he aint capable of it...but hes usin the same contraversy angle that pac used...u cant tell me hes not...and not only is 50s horrible lyrics killin hip hop...but those crappy diss records and the shitty battle hes involved with aint helpin either....this guy is supposed to be a leader now in hip hop...and hes doin nothin new...
I said it before.. the only controversy they sharing is the general gangsta image and being shot which is closely connected with the gangsta image.. and that's nothin to do with bitin or eatin off Pac
50 ain't got Pac's subject matter expect for gangsta lyrics and u don't wanna tell me a rapper is bitin Pac cuz he's rappin about gangsta shit.. all the other deep stuff Pac's known for and the image of the socially engaged 'black leader' as some fans refere to him and all that shit is nothin 50 ever fucked with..
and u know how the beef started.. it was Ja who started the beef with 50 as well as the beef with Shady.. so are they supposed to let him talk shit?
plus this beef ain't hurting HipHop no matter what u think of the diss records.. aren't u the one who even said Ja's disses were good?
and I never said 50 's doin anything new but doin nothin new is not destroyin hiphop
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Breezio.. Ja's old style is nothin like DMX.. are u kiddin?
well I don't see the point in arguing about wether Lay Low is pure hiphop or RnB/HipHop I definatly don't see any RNB in it but if u do I won't tripp.. so according to u 50 has one RnB singer on his album.. this still nothin like Ja..
Nate, Butch Cassidy and kokane hooks are HipHop to me.. TQ is as RnB as it gets.. nothin like Nate or butch.. he can not 'do it' imo.. but I won't start a discussion about TQ now so that doesn't matter
and MMLP was defiantly not full of pop shit.. I'll repeat, 50 is selling, that doesn't mean other rappers will hide their skills and write simple lyrics just cuz 50 does, does it? it's not destroying hiphop in any way, everybody knew before that u ain't gotta be very lyrical to sell alotta units.. and subject matter is taste.. if u don't like the gangsta talk thats u.. I ain't got no problem with it..
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I said it before.. the only controversy they sharing is the general gangsta image and being shot which is closely connected with the gangsta image.. and that's nothin to do with bitin or eatin off Pac
50 ain't got Pac's subject matter expect for gangsta lyrics and u don't wanna tell me a rapper is bitin Pac cuz he's rappin about gangsta shit.. all the other deep stuff Pac's known for and the image of the socially engaged 'black leader' as some fans refere to him and all that shit is nothin 50 ever fucked with..
and u know how the beef started.. it was Ja who started the beef with 50 as well as the beef with Shady.. so are they supposed to let him talk shit?
plus this beef ain't hurting HipHop no matter what u think of the diss records.. aren't u the one who even said Ja's disses were good?
and I never said 50 's doin anything new but doin nothin new is not destroyin hiphop
i dont know if u r readin what i write or not...but 50 is usin the same contraversy image that pac used..ALWAYS mentioning his gettin shot...that whole fuck the world mentality...its adapted from pac...not bein gangsta...cuz pac wasnt...
also...50 dissed ja first...as far as i know...i aint heard it in a minute...but didnt he drop jas name in "how to rob?"....and the battle was horrible..the best tracks were mediocre...jas tracks were good in comparison to the horrible records and em and 50 put out...really if it wasnt for obie that whole entire beef would be shitty...even bodygaurd...like someone said about "the wrap" take away the dope beat...and u dont got much....battles like this..between the main staples of hip hop hurt the community...nas vs jay-z was a great beef...that made hiphop look good...because they dropped quality...not a track a day sayin the same stuff over and over...
also...ja had a couple tracks where he harmonized on his first album...i forget the name of the track..but it was remixed and put on the fast and the furious soundtrack...well the original was on jas first album...and he was harmonizin on it...koke...nate...butch cassidy...lv...levitti...theyre all r & b...they dont rap...so they cant be rappers...its that simple...if theyre hip hop...then so is TQ...and Mary J Blige...
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I hope u didn't read my post propely otherwise I don't think we'll ever get any further cuz u said the same shit u said 4 posts ago..
I said he rapped about being Gangsta not he was gangsta.. I know Pac wasn't Gangsta.. 50 isn't even all about fuck the world he's just about himself and what he is/did n shit.. his mentioning of getting shot ain't got shit to do with Pac
u don't nkow that far if u think 50 dissed Ja first.. Ja started frontin on 50when he saw him with a guy who robbed Ja before.. that's how it started, not with a diss on wax.. Body Guard was dope but I coulda told what u was gonna say about it before I heard it.. there was nothin wack about Bump Heads, it's not about the oppinion of a guy who prefers a Benzino track over 90% of Em's catalogue but about a neutral view on it.. I am being neutral when I say it was nothin that special but it was definatly not wack either and it doesn't 'the hurt the community'.. Hail Mary was the only unoriginal track even though that callin it bitin is damn stupid
and for the last time I'll repeat I know they not rappin and I know their solo shit ain't hiphop but their hooks are hiphop hooks
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I hope u didn't read my post propely otherwise I don't think we'll ever get any further cuz u said the same shit u said 4 posts ago..
I said he rapped about being Gangsta not he was gangsta.. I know Pac wasn't Gangsta.. 50 isn't even all about fuck the world he's just about himself and what he is/did n shit.. his mentioning of getting shot ain't got shit to do with Pac
u don't nkow that far if u think 50 dissed Ja first.. Ja started frontin on 50when he saw him with a guy who robbed Ja before.. that's how it started, not with a diss on wax.. Body Guard was dope but I coulda told what u was gonna say about it before I heard it.. there was nothin wack about Bump Heads, it's not about the oppinion of a guy who prefers a Benzino track over 90% of Em's catalogue but about a neutral view on it.. I am being neutral when I say it was nothin that special but it was definatly not wack either and it doesn't 'the hurt the community'.. Hail Mary was the only unoriginal track even though that callin it bitin is damn stupid
and for the last time I'll repeat I know they not rappin and I know their solo shit ain't hiphop but their hooks are hiphop hooks
50 uses the pac formula...but were never gonna agree on that...and actually i dont like benzinos albums...hes got beats...thats it...hes a much better producer than em...but hes a horrible rapper...tho...when he wants to come nice....he is very capable...bump heads was horrible...that shit was borin...g-unit have no charisma in their raps...theyre ur usual everyday mixtape rappers...they didnt say anything new in their disses....hail mary was just corny....em used pacs cadence...50 used pacs verse from hail mary and against all odds...that was the worst diss record in a while....and if nate is a hip hop hook....then so is mary j...so is tq...ray j....anyone who does hooks and sings...there is no difference...
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Em's verse on Bump Heads was far from horrible.. no wonder u don't like a track with G-Unit on it if u don't like G-Unit at all but it doesn't mean the track was garbage..
like I said Hail Mary wasn't exactly original I I agree they shoulda come up with more but it's still not bitin and it's the only weak diss they released
and if a Nate hook is RnB in ur mind 50 still had one of em on his album.. Ja had Ashanti on every single he released since those 2 J Lo collabs expect for one with another RnB singer..
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Em's verse on Bump Heads was far from horrible.. no wonder u don't like a track with G-Unit on it if u don't like G-Unit at all but it doesn't mean the track was garbage..
like I said Hail Mary wasn't exactly original I I agree they shoulda come up with more but it's still not bitin and it's the only weak diss they released
and if a Nate hook is RnB in ur mind 50 still had one of em on his album.. Ja had Ashanti on every single he released since those 2 J Lo collabs expect for one with another RnB singer..
G-unit ruined the whole track...ems verse was pretty much the same as the rest of his disses...nothin new...and how is 50 takin two verses from pac not bitin?...what is bitin to you?...cuz to me...bitin is takin someones material...without really changin it up...now a sample is one thing...takin a couple lines is coo...but a whole verse?...as for jas hooks...lets no forget 50 had a single with destinys child...im not sayin he has the same amount as ja...but 50 is as guilty as ja when it comes to havin r & b....on his records...
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...and how is 50 takin two verses from pac not bitin?...what is bitin to you?...cuz to me...bitin is takin someones material...without really changin it up...now a sample is one thing...takin a couple lines is coo...but a whole verse?...
If that's biting then hip-hop is just full of "biters" then from Buckshot to Snoop Dogg to Mos Def to Xzibit to Jay-Z to Black Rob to..................
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G-unit ruined the whole track...ems verse was pretty much the same as the rest of his disses...nothin new...and how is 50 takin two verses from pac not bitin?...what is bitin to you?...cuz to me...bitin is takin someones material...without really changin it up...now a sample is one thing...takin a couple lines is coo...but a whole verse?...as for jas hooks...lets no forget 50 had a single with destinys child...im not sayin he has the same amount as ja...but 50 is as guilty as ja when it comes to havin r & b....on his records...
he wouldn't have done it if it wasn't for the ja beef.. it's not like he's either tryin to be Pac or anything like that he did it for one and only reason to parody Ja's bitin.. Ja's bitin is the only reason the track exists, Em wrote his verse outta Ja's perspective and Aftermath confirmed it's just a ja-clowning track in a mail to Dedicato.. imo it's pretty damn obvies but after it's been even confirmed there's really no need to talk about bitin..
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if u call "bitin to clown someone else's bitin" still 'bitin' then he did bite.. but not in a serious way
and I wouldn't blame a rapper for don one track with an RnB bitch to blow up.. I didn't hate on Ja for doin the first track he did with J Lo.. but from that moment on that's all he did.. 50 wasn't known when he recoreded the album so he got him a known feature.. nothin wrong with that..
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so your tellin me that if you were a rapper and you put out a track that blew the fuck up and got you hundereds of thousands or millions of dollars...you wouldnt do it again? bullshit! man ja keeps gettin money and i cant blame him...and not all but one had ashanti on the hook, your forgetting livin it up w/ case (R&B but definetely not somw bullshit ashanti track), murder reigns, and the pledge remix (dont know if it was a single but it was played on the radio here), and thug luvin w/ bobby brown...those tracks are dope as fuck too. now if you wanna talk about biting...yes ja bit pacs style a lot, so did em, so did 50, ja especially on his "so much pain" song off the pain is love album but at the same time i respect him for that song because him and pac together sounded great and he really did that version of the song w/ a lot of respect for pac. 50 is using the same formula for success as pac did, not in music, but in his media images, em did the same thing. and hoe hopper...i didnt say ja's style was nothing like dmx's back then smartass...read my shit closer dick! and again hoe hopper...yes i would call some of the em tracks you named "poppy" not necessarily in their style but in their success...the way i am was one of his most succesful tracks and probably one of his best, and criminal was very poppy, so was kill you...it just didnt have radio friendly lyrics.
and I wouldn't blame a rapper for don one track with an RnB bitch to blow up.. I didn't hate on Ja for doin the first track he did with J Lo.. but from that moment on that's all he did.. 50 wasn't known when he recoreded the album so he got him a known feature.. nothin wrong with that..
actually 50 was slightly known...again he did a track w/ destiny's child, a track with allure, and he had an entire cd recorded that just never got released...but it wasnt hard to get. 50 back then was more known than a lot of dope rappers are now. and thats not all he did since the j-lo shit...maybe thats MOST of what he put on the radio...but you obviously dont listen to the ja rule cds...about half maybe 3/4 of the cds are back to the fuckin "venni vetti vicci" style where he gets a grimey beat and does straight rapping over it with ppl like black child and caddilac tah with no ashanti. i have every ja rule album and i could name a shitload of tracks where he doesnt sing, doesnt have an R&B bitch on the hook...and i dont know how the whole fuckin beef ties into this shit but it really has nothing to do with it so shut the fuck up about the ja/shady/aftermatch beef! and benzino's diss tracks sucked end of story...em killed him. thats one of the other things imo that is definetely killing hip hop...beefs...not all of them...but when a beef turns from being on records to being in real life it literally kills hip hop or the artists. i loved the nas and jay-z beef because it was kept strictly on records, at no point was violence an issue and anytime they were asked to meet they declined probably because they felt they werent sure if they could contain themselves...they were smart and knew it would be best to keep it on wax. whereas 50 and ja and em decided they would take it too far and thats the kind of shit that is definetely hurting hip hop.
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If that's biting then hip-hop is just full of "biters" then from Buckshot to Snoop Dogg to Mos Def to Xzibit to Jay-Z to Black Rob to..................
remakin a song is one thing...takin various verses from songs is just plain bitin...
he wouldn't have done it if it wasn't for the ja beef.. it's not like he's either tryin to be Pac or anything like that he did it for one and only reason to parody Ja's bitin.. Ja's bitin is the only reason the track exists, Em wrote his verse outta Ja's perspective and Aftermath confirmed it's just a ja-clowning track in a mail to Dedicato.. imo it's pretty damn obvies but after it's been even confirmed there's really no need to talk about bitin..
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if u call "bitin to clown someone else's bitin" still 'bitin' then he did bite.. but not in a serious way
and I wouldn't blame a rapper for don one track with an RnB bitch to blow up.. I didn't hate on Ja for doin the first track he did with J Lo.. but from that moment on that's all he did.. 50 wasn't known when he recoreded the album so he got him a known feature.. nothin wrong with that..
i find that excuse very much bullshit...50 and em tried to remake another pac song...like em did before...and it backfired...of course theyre gonna deny any bitin...theyre not gonna come out and say theyre biting...also...if ur gonna make a diss record...be original...why r u gonna use another mans words to diss?...thats lame as fuck...and please...explain to me whats bitin...u call ja a biter...but 50 took two verses from pac...so what is a biter?....and cmon...only jas singles are like that...like breezy said...hes got a lot of songs without r & b....and if im not mistaken...was 50 the first person chose for the j.lo song?...and wasnt 50 on the missy remix?...and he still recorded a song with destinys child....regardless of if he was known or not....that track still exsists...does it not?
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....and if im not mistaken...was 50 the first person chose for the j.lo song?...and wasnt 50 on the missy remix?
was he the first chosen? i didnt know that...and yeah you're right 50 did the remix w/ missy and he also did a remix of "i'm gonna be alright" with j-lo...they just made a 2nd remix w/ nas and that was the one that ended up on the radio...but if you were to get her remix album in like the first 6 months it was out you would've gotten 50 on that song instead of nas.
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was he the first chosen? i didnt know that...and yeah you're right 50 did the remix w/ missy and he also did a remix of "i'm gonna be alright" with j-lo...they just made a 2nd remix w/ nas and that was the one that ended up on the radio...but if you were to get her remix album in like the first 6 months it was out you would've gotten 50 on that song instead of nas.
thats the remix i was talkin about with j-lo..the one nas did....
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oh ok i thought you were talkin bout i'm real
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lol ja might be pop now but his first album was harder than all 3 of 50's. when you have your own shoe out and a g-unit lunchbox i'm sure you can consider yourself 100% sellout. they'll find some way to make it ok for him to do these things tho cause i've come to find out theres a double standard when you talk about this guy....
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lol ja might be pop now but his first album was harder than all 3 of 50's. when you have your own shoe out and a g-unit lunchbox i'm sure you can consider yourself 100% sellout. they'll find some way to make it ok for him to do these things tho cause i've come to find out theres a double standard when you talk about this guy....
oh yea...no matter what he does...theres always a reason why its coo for him...
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Doing endorsements is considered selling out?
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Doing endorsements is considered selling out?
i dont think so...but people flipped out when hammer did it...
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in my eyes its only selling out if u dont use the product your endorsing lol...but if your doing it because you like the product then hey...might as well right? but most ppl do consider it "selling out"
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ok first off...jas style is nothing like dmx...and his old still when "he was still aight" was the gayest shit i've heard in a long time...
I said Ja's old style is DMX' style.. now u answering 'jas style is nothing like dmx' does either mean it wasn't back then or it's just nonsense cuz I never said Ja's new style is DMX' style.. try and express urself more clearly and please don't get emotional cuz i ain't got the time for this..
yes i would call some of the em tracks you named "poppy" not necessarily in their style but in their success
but that's not what we talkin about so cut that shit
the rest of ur post is just repeatin shit like it was done by a loop typing program with three 50 Cent contra arguments so there's nothin more to say about it
be original...why r u gonna use another mans words to diss?...thats lame as fuck...and please...explain to me whats bitin...u call ja a biter...but 50 took two verses from pac...so what is a biter?
of course it's lame, and it's supposed to be that cuz they show what Ja is all about.. and if they say they did the track to clown Ja they did it to clown ja why would they lie? why would they 'bite' and then find excuses.. they didn't have to do the track.. they did it for obvies reasons which they confirmed so that's all we need to know.. period
and if im not mistaken...was 50 the first person chose for the j.lo song?...and wasnt 50 on the missy remix?...and he still recorded a song with destinys child....regardless of if he was known or not....that track still exsists...does it not?
Missy is HipHop/whatever.. she's always tryin to do new shit and it's not strictly hiphop and she's singin more often than rappin but she's still some kind of HipHop act who mixes HipHop with other stuff.. if u like her I don't see how working with her makes u less hiphop.. and like I said before I didn't hate on Ja for his first track with J Lo and I understand if 50's tryin to blow up with a J Lo track since his album inclueding the track with Desteny's Child on the hook was never released.. I never said rappers should never ever do collabos with singers
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Doing endorsements is considered selling out?
when people hated on nas and common for doing beer and sprite commercials i think so..not to mention the numerous other rappers who got shit because of the st ides hiphop commercials that used to run back in like 96..50 is doing same thing..and when u use lunchboxes its not like those are directed towards older people..
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shit u guys...i dont even know where this is going anymore...we've gone from nelly to ja to 50 and now were on selling out...and all this started w/ a post w/ nothing in it? god damn...im done w/ this topic...nobody is ever going to change their mind about anything so this is going nowhere...im agreeing to disagree...pz
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I was thinking, just about every rapper that's made a name for himself has endorsed something. Rakim, KRS-One, Kane, Pete Rock, Guru, Buckshot, Common, even Cormega.
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of course it's lame, and it's supposed to be that cuz they show what Ja is all about.. and if they say they did the track to clown Ja they did it to clown ja why would they lie? why would they 'bite' and then find excuses.. they didn't have to do the track.. they did it for obvies reasons which they confirmed so that's all we need to know.. period
lmao...so if ja made a song like that...and said it was to clown em...it would be ok?...LMAO...thats a cop out...POSSIBLY eminems verse was supposed to be from jas account...which is doubtful...but 50s wasnt...that was pure bitin...
Missy is HipHop/whatever.. she's always tryin to do new shit and it's not strictly hiphop and she's singin more often than rappin but she's still some kind of HipHop act who mixes HipHop with other stuff.. if u like her I don't see how working with her makes u less hiphop.. and like I said before I didn't hate on Ja for his first track with J Lo and I understand if 50's tryin to blow up with a J Lo track since his album inclueding the track with Desteny's Child on the hook was never released.. I never said rappers should never ever do collabos with singers
missy is singin more than rappin lately...but see what u said here...IF U LIKE HER I DONT SEE HOW WORKING WITH HER MAKES U LESS HIPHOP...then the same should apply for ashanti...ja likes workin with her...just like dre and them worked with michelle...just like jay-z worked with mary...
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if u like working with that partly HipHop artist once.. if u likeconstantly working with a pop/RnB bitch like Ashanti u can do that too but don't consider urself hiphop then..
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lmao u guys still goin on about this shit? somebody lock this shit