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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: J Bananas on May 19, 2005, 12:21:19 PM
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I got in an argument with some girl the other day about whether homosexuality is psychological or something you're born with. The bitch wanted to defend her brother and was really pressing that it is something that you are born with. I'm for the argument that yes, some people are born homosexual, but the majority of homosexuals arrived at their preference through psychological development. I checked it out further and it seems gay people are really opposed to psychology and insist it is something you are born with. I brought up the example of men in prison who turn submissive or rape. The girl wasn't hearing it though. Are gay people just so ashamed of their own mental development that led them to be homo that they deny it? I'm wondering if there's anyone who's got an intelligent perspective or knows a gay person who agrees with the mental development theory.
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im always confused about the same thing. i mean if you are born gay, then wouldnt there be gay animals? i searched and it says they exist, but i doubt it, i have never seen like two male cats fucking or some shit. see what im saying, if people could be born gay, and people are mammals, so could animals...i feel that gay people are people that are trying to rebel or some shit. im not knockin em at all tho thats there lifestyle, just dont say you born with it, say u became it.
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My neighbor just came out of the closet last year. It was apparent that he was gay from the time he was 5. On Halloween, he dressed up as a ballerina. He is a HUGE mama's boy. Until he went to college, his mom would buy his clothes, then she would prepare his outfits everyday.
Then my cousin, who is like 4, listens to Britney Spears and Christina Aguilera all day along. He dances like a fruit to them too. So I have a hunch he'll turn out gay too.
But to tell you the truth, I think a lot of it has to do with the way a person is raised. Some are probably born with a chemical imbalance, but I think the majority are subliminally conditioned to think a certain way. But you never know. Maybe more and more people are born gay nowadays to counter overpopulation. Just another link in the chain of life. It's hard to tell though.
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most people seem to be gay when there is no dad in the family...
i think they confuse their want to love a man (as a father figure not sexually) as homosexuality... but i have no real knowledge on the matter, i think it psychological...
but then again i saw on English tv that its possible there is a gene that determines if your gay or not...
maybe there are people born gay, but the other part are just confused trippin out mentally...
whats the deal with bi-sexuals ? are they just horny enough to fuck anything with two legs and a hole ?
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Then my cousin, who is like 4, listens to Britney Spears and Christina Aguilera all day along. He dances like a fruit to them too. So I have a hunch he'll turn out gay too.
switch those cds wit some rap and get him out of that shit while hes still young lol
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most people seem to be gay when there is no dad in the family...
i think they confuse their want to love a man (as a father figure not sexually) as homosexuality... but i have no real knowledge on the matter, i think it psychological...
That's probably the deal with my cousin. His parents just got a divorce not too long ago, and his mom has been bringing in a different guy every week and shit.
switch those cds wit some rap and get him out of that shit while hes still young lol
lol He gets mad as hell if he can't listen to his music. He'd probably try to murder me or something. I'll wake up in the middle of the night and the kid will have a cleaver in his hands.
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lol He gets mad as hell if he can't listen to his music. He'd probably try to murder me or something. I'll wake up in the middle of the night and the kid will have a cleaver in his hands.
as your personaly advisor and mentor i suggest what you got to do is slowly introduce him to hip-hop, when he's passed out sneak in his room and play some 'Strait outta Compton' on low volume... this is the most serious case i've ever encountered, he needs the raw shit...
good luck.
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most people seem to be gay when there is no dad in the family...
How would you know this? And if there are numbers to back this up would the difference for gays really be much different than straight men? What about lesbians?
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Well, I'll tell you my opinion. I have a bachelors degree, with a major in Psychology, and a minor in Anthropology, but what I'm going to tell you is just what I've observed, not what I was taught. Someone who would strive to study psychology would probably be a good candidate to ask about what they think about how someone's mind might work, though, in my opinion.
Anyways, I could just be totally full of shit, but in my opinion, there are never any black and white answers. With that said, though, I've found that in my experience, the majority, the vast, vast majority of homosexuals have been made that way by their nurture, not their nature.
I'm sure there are some people that are born gay, and will always have homosexual tendencies. Others are born (probably many, many, many children) with the tendency to be gay. When I was a kid, I loved music and singing, I loved to dance, I was potty trained early, I loved school, I loved to talk, I didn't like playing in the dirt or getting dirty, and I wasn't very good at sports.
My brother on the other hand, loved getting dirty, hated school, would never dance or sing, and liked to fight all the time.
In the wrong situation, with the wrong parents, I could have grown up queer as a motherfucker! Fortunately my dad was there to give me a father figure, so I grew up normal, even though to this day I'm not some macho testosterone driven motherfucker who's going to go fighting everyone (although my penchance for talking has given me a sharp tongue which I'm sure anybody familiar with this board knows about). My brother could NEVER have been gay. The way he was born, he just didn't have it in him, you could have raised him in a house of women, and he would have came out exactly as he is today. Me? I dunno. I'm just glad my dad was around, lol. That's the realest shit you'll ever hear anybody say on here.
Anyways, I think that's the issue. Some people are born with more testosterone than others, and in the right environment it just makes them a different type of person, 'more sensitive' or whatever the fuck you want to call it. In the wrong environment, it makes them gay.
I've known tons of girls, too, that were tomboys when they were children. Some of my best friends were like that, they got dirty and were always fighting and didn't like school, didn't like dolls, stuff like that. Their mom was around, though, to raise them as a girl, not a little boy.
I've also met several, tons and tons of people who are gay because of something traumatic that happened to them in their life. I've met people who were molested and became gay. I've met women who had husbands that beat and raped them, who turned against men and became lesbians.
I would say (no shit) in MY OPINION, 90% of Homosexuals are either gay because something in them desires to be different (they honestly feel a certain 'cool' factor by being gay), or something traumatic has happened to MAKE them gay (their husband beat them, their mom made them wear dresses, etc.). The other 10% probably had homosexual leanings from the time they were kids and were grown in a 'soft' atmosphere, or the other way around for girls.
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what i wonder is, why do all gay guys have that same gay voice..., my friend's brother just came out and when he was little, he did fruity things, but he never had the homo voice until he came out...
that's one thing so show that society is to blame and it's not all genetics
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what i wonder is, why do all gay guys have that same gay voice..., my friend's brother just came out and when he was little, he did fruity things, but he never had the homo voice until he came out...
that's one thing so show that society is to blame and it's not all genetics
That just depends on the role they want to play in a relationship. The ones who have the voices or are just flamboyant(sp?) probably take the feminine role.
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No one's born gay if you ask me. It's either by choice, or someone got molested and it affected them and turned them gay. As a matter of fact, I don't think we're born gay or straight.
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what i wonder is, why do all gay guys have that same gay voice..., my friend's brother just came out and when he was little, he did fruity things, but he never had the homo voice until he came out...
that's one thing so show that society is to blame and it's not all genetics
when push comes to shove, faggots i can live with, theyre still human, but what i cant stand is dudes trying to talk like women, walking like women etc. to me thats fake punk shit, i hate proud faggots, that walk the streets screaming their gay like theyre better than everyone else.
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Then my cousin, who is like 4, listens to Britney Spears and Christina Aguilera all day along. He dances like a fruit to them too. So I have a hunch he'll turn out gay too.
switch those cds wit some rap and get him out of that shit while hes still young
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Okay, this is my opinion on this whole thing. I think people who are homosexual can be both born that way or "turned" that way by their surroundings. It's thought that if a young boy is "babied" by his mother and/or lacking in the male role model department, then he can ultimately turn out to be a homosexual. It's true also that an extreme ordeal (such as rape or molestation at an early age) can effect the sexuality of a child. There are many atmospheric things that can in a sense "turn" someone gay. However, I also believe that people are just born with gay tendencies. There are the boys who don't play in the dirt, walk differently, use "gay talk," or only have friends that are girls. (But never seems to date any of them.) These people in my eyes, are more likely to realize that they are homosexual. I know that's being stereotypical, but that's just what i believe. It's not cause they were a momma's boy or anthing like that. Merely the fact that they enjoy something different. Also, to support the theory that people can be born gay, there is the fact that there are indeed homosexual animals. I know a science teacher who photographed a male duck mounting another male. I also have a friend who's cat is always trying to mate with cat's of the same gender.
So that's what I think on all of this. It can really go either way. There are no real answers to why someone decided that they were more attracted to the same gender rather then the opposite. I have a question though. Why does it really matter what caused them to be that way? They're still people.
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what i wonder is, why do all gay guys have that same gay voice..., my friend's brother just came out and when he was little, he did fruity things, but he never had the homo voice until he came out...
that's one thing so show that society is to blame and it's not all genetics
when push comes to shove, faggots i can live with, theyre still human, but what i cant stand is dudes trying to talk like women, walking like women etc. to me thats fake punk shit, i hate proud faggots, that walk the streets screaming their gay like theyre better than everyone else.
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what i wonder is, why do all gay guys have that same gay voice..., my friend's brother just came out and when he was little, he did fruity things, but he never had the homo voice until he came out...
that's one thing so show that society is to blame and it's not all genetics
Yeah, I agree.
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as your personaly advisor and mentor i suggest what you got to do is slowly introduce him to hip-hop, when he's passed out sneak in his room and play some 'Strait outta Compton' on low volume... this is the most serious case i've ever encountered, he needs the raw shit...
good luck.
I figured his brother would have got him out of it cause he listens to heavy metal and alternative rock. Somthing needs to happen though. He tried bringing that shit in to my car one time when I was taking him to McDonald's. I almost threw it out the window, but instead I popped in Death Certificate and turned the volume all the way up. I think he just needs to see more naked women. If that doesn't work, maybe a good blow to the head will snap him out of it.
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Those flamboyant muthafuckaz are ridiculous. I don't care if your gay or straight, don't make it anybody's business and everyone will be happy.
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as your personaly advisor and mentor i suggest what you got to do is slowly introduce him to hip-hop, when he's passed out sneak in his room and play some 'Strait outta Compton' on low volume... this is the most serious case i've ever encountered, he needs the raw shit...
good luck.
I figured his brother would have got him out of it cause he listens to heavy metal and alternative rock. Somthing needs to happen though. He tried bringing that shit in to my car one time when I was taking him to McDonald's. I almost threw it out the window, but instead I popped in Death Certificate and turned the volume all the way up. I think he just needs to see more naked women. If that doesn't work, maybe a good blow to the head will snap him out of it.
LOL
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Those flamboyant muthafuckaz are ridiculous. I don't care if your gay or straight, don't make it anybody's business and everyone will be happy.
amen
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Some things in my mind
1. Why is it always "better" to be born with it
2. I bet there are few people who seriously hate gay ppl who dont push it. What some people dont like is gay people suckin each others dicks in public.. not even because they enjoy it.. but because they want to make a political statement, meaning that they want to express that they have the "right" to do it.. yaknowwhatImean?
3. According to a LOT of statistics, there are way more gay ppl than one expects. Are those stats plain wrong, OR are there many gay/bi men who repress their real feelings?
4. @titlepost: I think you can have it both ways. Same with woman preforations. It can be a gene thing that you like brown hair more than blond hair, but it can also be a psychological thing because of media, traumatic events in your childhood, etc.
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i think it can be either like sum peeps born wiv dicks n fannys nah mean so i think some dudes is born with a lil bit ov bitch in em but also i think most ov them just like dun been abused or some shit like that
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doesn't say shit, when i was 8/10 i listend to the backstreet boys THANK GOD I LISTEN TO RAP NOW !
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i seen two male dogs fucking each other
fuck faggots tho, sucking dick and shit is stright up gay!
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sucking dick and shit is stright up gay!
lol really?
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HAHAHAHAHA this has become a gay bashing thread
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http://www.cpixel.com/other/bisexual_bs.asp
This is a good read about this topic
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^yeah that was true there is loads of girls calling themselves bi now.
Lol at the gay bashers, sure you guys arnt trying to tell us something?
I used to listen to the spice girls when i was 8, whats the big deal, rap is even gayer than Britney Spears. Im glad i listen to Metal.
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^yeah that was true there is loads of girls calling themselves bi now.
Lol at the gay bashers, sure you guys arnt trying to tell us something?
I used to listen to the spice girls when i was 8, whats the big deal, rap is even gayer than Britney Spears. Im glad i listen to Metal.
You even more gayer then elton john.
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You even more gayer then elton john.
Your grammar is tighter than a bowl of grits.
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I dono what kind of rap you listen to but rap is not gayer than britney spears, and metal is stright up gay!
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So what metal bands do you know then eh? Linkin Park isnt metal, mate.
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One man calling another man "mate" is gay. lol
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It was sarcasm.
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The ones that wear make up and tight clothes....Just like bitches!
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You even more gayer then elton john.
Your grammar is tighter than a bowl of grits.
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i have no idea but this whole shit about turning out gay just coz you grew up without your father sounds retarted. like 80% of the people i grew up with didn´t have no father figure in their life and none of them are queers so that argument doesn´t really hold any weight.
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i have no idea but this whole shit about turning out gay just coz you grew up without your father sounds retarted. like 80% of the people i grew up with didn´t have no father figure in their life and none of them are queers so that argument doesn´t really hold any weight.
You're right more often than not people who grow up without their fathers turn out fine. It's the relationship that you have with him though that can affect you. If you are an insecure, weak minded person to begin with, a lack of a strong father figure can hurt you. You're friends however, are probably regular guys who learned to grow up with the struggle, not like some queer complaining cause daddy never came to his piano recitals as a little boy and that made him hate men.
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The ones that wear make up and tight clothes....Just like bitches!
Well none of that is metal, that would be goth or emo.
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Being gay is a decision, if these faggots are so proud to be that way why are they trying to justify their shit. That shit really pisses me off man.
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Being gay is a decision, if these faggots are so proud to be that way why are they trying to justify their shit. That shit really pisses me off man.
i dont know if they do decide... some people have killed themselves coz they realised they homo...
i know some dude that was crying to this girl i knew coz he didnt want to be gay :-\
so i kinda feel sorry for them...
is there a relationship between child molesters and fags ?
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ye nobody cares wat i have to say, and maybe 1 day ill read all the posts here, but truthfully, i beleive you arent born gay, but its something that happens at borth or childhood that leads you to it,....
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Then my cousin, who is like 4, listens to Britney Spears and Christina Aguilera all day along. He dances like a fruit to them too. So I have a hunch he'll turn out gay too.
switch those cds wit some rap and get him out of that shit while hes still young lol
lmao i listened to the backstreet boys till the age of 12, then to limp bizkit and thank GOD I started listening to methodman, redman and dr.dre after that ! and after that only urban 8) and im no fag.
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Then my cousin, who is like 4, listens to Britney Spears and Christina Aguilera all day along. He dances like a fruit to them too. So I have a hunch he'll turn out gay too.
switch those cds wit some rap and get him out of that shit while hes still young lol
lmao i listened to the backstreet boys till the age of 12, then to limp bizkit and thank GOD I started listening to methodman, redman and dr.dre after that ! and after that only urban 8) and im no fag.
yes but you have foundations of a fag boy...
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^true. but i could resist it 8)
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most people seem to be gay when there is no dad in the family...
where would u get that from?? That only makes sense if the reason theres no dad...is because theres two moms....
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I got in an argument with some girl the other day about whether homosexuality is psychological or something you're born with. The bitch wanted to defend her brother and was really pressing that it is something that you are born with. I'm for the argument that yes, some people are born homosexual, but the majority of homosexuals arrived at their preference through psychological development. I checked it out further and it seems gay people are really opposed to psychology and insist it is something you are born with. I brought up the example of men in prison who turn submissive or rape. The girl wasn't hearing it though. Are gay people just so ashamed of their own mental development that led them to be homo that they deny it? I'm wondering if there's anyone who's got an intelligent perspective or knows a gay person who agrees with the mental development theory.
The prison example is a bad one though man. People are animals, period. And sexual urges are almost like hunger for people. Like any other animal. So the natural sexual urge that a man has for a woman cant be just surpressed or not fed, or it will manifest into something else. Those doods in prison dont necessarily turn gay. They just cant control the urge....kinda like Catholic priests n shit lol.
As for whether youre born gay or not. Shittt...who knows. I kinda think youre born with the shit. I mean, everything you LEARN as a kid is about a man and a woman. But most kids dont really understand sexuality until they get a little older so its hard to know whether or not a 3 yr old kid is gay or strait. I mean, i seen some pretty gay ass lookin 2 yr olds before lol. But theyre two...everything they do looks funny. So how would you know?
One question i have. If people ARE born gay, why does it seem so much more common now? Is it really more common? Or are gay people just out in the open more and dont hide the shit now? Cus if youre born gay, then it would have been common since the beginning of man. I know its always been around, but it wouldnt make sense for there to be a BIGGER percentage of gay people now....then there were 150 yrs ago u know? So any gay people on the board could probably answer that. Where Siavash at anyways? ;D
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I got in an argument with some girl the other day about whether homosexuality is psychological or something you're born with. The bitch wanted to defend her brother and was really pressing that it is something that you are born with. I'm for the argument that yes, some people are born homosexual, but the majority of homosexuals arrived at their preference through psychological development. I checked it out further and it seems gay people are really opposed to psychology and insist it is something you are born with. I brought up the example of men in prison who turn submissive or rape. The girl wasn't hearing it though. Are gay people just so ashamed of their own mental development that led them to be homo that they deny it? I'm wondering if there's anyone who's got an intelligent perspective or knows a gay person who agrees with the mental development theory.
One question i have. If people ARE born gay, why does it seem so much more common now? Is it really more common? Or are gay people just out in the open more and dont hide the shit now? Cus if youre born gay, then it would have been common since the beginning of man. I know its always been around, but it wouldnt make sense for there to be a BIGGER percentage of gay people now....then there were 150 yrs ago u know? So any gay people on the board could probably answer that. Where Siavash at anyways? ;D
yup.....ive grown accustomed to living around gay people now, its like a natural thing now. me being somewhat religious i kinda see the bad in it, but fuck, so many gay people, what can u do about it? they dont really bother me, just let them do their own thing, as long as they dont bother me, i myself cannot wipe out the entire gay population.
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most people seem to be gay when there is no dad in the family...
where would u get that from?? That only makes sense if the reason theres no dad...is because theres two moms....
my theory is they look for love in a man (father son love), and confuse it for homo-sexuality...
and the comment you made about prison gays... what about the ones that go in strait, then come out gay ?
fuck that man, if i went to prison i would supress my urges, there is no way i would fuck a man, or let another man fuck me.
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most people seem to be gay when there is no dad in the family...
where would u get that from?? That only makes sense if the reason theres no dad...is because theres two moms....
my theory is they look for love in a man (father son love), and confuse it for homo-sexuality...
and the comment you made about prison gays... what about the ones that go in strait, then come out gay ?
fuck that man, if i went to prison i would supress my urges, there is no way i would fuck a man, or let another man fuck me.
1) where do u live man? Im just curious. Only reason is, that single parent households are VERY common in the US, and where i am in Cali. I mean, VERY common. And more so in the innercities. There isnt some overwhelming amount of gay males comin out of the innercities only u know? lol. Gay people come from everywhere. Shit i grew up without a dad like a lotta muhafuckas i know. And i dont know one gay dood. Not one. Well, theres some muthafuckas i suspect...lol but they had two parents! ha. Nah, but i dont see the connection really. Like i said, if that were the case...half of the rappers out there that yall love so much, that rap about havin no pops in the house growin up...would be gay. lol
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most people seem to be gay when there is no dad in the family...
where would u get that from?? That only makes sense if the reason theres no dad...is because theres two moms....
my theory is they look for love in a man (father son love), and confuse it for homo-sexuality...
and the comment you made about prison gays... what about the ones that go in strait, then come out gay ?
fuck that man, if i went to prison i would supress my urges, there is no way i would fuck a man, or let another man fuck me.
1) where do u live man? Im just curious. Only reason is, that single parent households are VERY common in the US, and where i am in Cali. I mean, VERY common. And more so in the innercities. There isnt some overwhelming amount of gay males comin out of the innercities only u know? lol. Gay people come from everywhere. Shit i grew up without a dad like a lotta muhafuckas i know. And i dont know one gay dood. Not one. Well, theres some muthafuckas i suspect...lol but they had two parents! ha. Nah, but i dont see the connection really. Like i said, if that were the case...half of the rappers out there that yall love so much, that rap about havin no pops in the house growin up...would be gay. lol
i didnt say youre gay if you dont have a dad... i just think some people could get confused if they didnt have a father figure around... the rappers that we all know their father figures were in the streets, the pimps, playas, hustlaz and gangstaz...
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I got in an argument with some girl the other day about whether homosexuality is psychological or something you're born with. The bitch wanted to defend her brother and was really pressing that it is something that you are born with. I'm for the argument that yes, some people are born homosexual, but the majority of homosexuals arrived at their preference through psychological development. I checked it out further and it seems gay people are really opposed to psychology and insist it is something you are born with. I brought up the example of men in prison who turn submissive or rape. The girl wasn't hearing it though. Are gay people just so ashamed of their own mental development that led them to be homo that they deny it? I'm wondering if there's anyone who's got an intelligent perspective or knows a gay person who agrees with the mental development theory.
Muthafucka you should know!...you gay BAnanas.
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No one's born gay if you ask me. It's either by choice, or someone got molested and it affected them and turned them gay. As a matter of fact, I don't think we're born gay or straight.
And you should really know.come on mayne!! you SUK-A-DIC.
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wow... digging up several month old threads to exploit a link between me and homosexuality. if that's not :camp: it's creepy at very least.
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That was pretty homo of you chump side
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So you were doing some soul searching and came upon this thread didn't ya, baby? Judging by our rendezvous last week, you already made your decision.
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im always confused about the same thing. i mean if you are born gay, then wouldnt there be gay animals? i searched and it says they exist, but i doubt it, i have never seen like two male cats fucking or some shit. see what im saying, if people could be born gay, and people are mammals, so could animals...i feel that gay people are people that are trying to rebel or some shit. im not knockin em at all tho thats there lifestyle, just dont say you born with it, say u became it.
There ARE gay animals.
From the Seattle Times--
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2002340835_gaycritter19m.html
From National Geographic--
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/07/0722_040722_gayanimal.html
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There aren't exclusively gay animals. animals fuck for pleasure reguardless of gender, humans are the only species that have members that choose to only sleep with their kind. which makes me think it's a lifestyle choice and not natural orientation.
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Anyone who says it's natural orientation hasn't studied the human anatomy. The penis is not made to go into the anus, it's just not a natural, healthy habit. Ask any physician.
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There aren't exclusively gay animals. animals fuck for pleasure reguardless of gender, humans are the only species that have members that choose to only sleep with their kind. which makes me think it's a lifestyle choice and not natural orientation.
Humans DO fuck each other regardless of gender -- think about prison. It happenes a lot with sex-starved heterosexual people without access to the opposite sex. That is a lifestyle choice. Animals and humans fucking exclusively within their own gender their entire lives seems more like a natural orientation.
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^^^What I'm saying is that we are all programmed to fuck indiscriminately, it's society that has made us decide between gay or straight. if we were more open, i don't think there would be such a thing as gay or straight, we would jst be like animals. being gay exclusively is a lifestyle choice thta is not natural.
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Umm some ppl are so immature about homosexuality...what anyone does in there bed room should be no one elses business it doesnt hurt anyone they conscenting adults
I've read somewhere that in gay men they have found that alot of them have female chemicals in there brain, in my believes environment could confuse someone into thinking there gay or not (such as child sex abuse victims) but for the most part its a retardation, its something that just happens to some ppl...i feel sorry for them for all the discrimination they get against em for soemthing they didnt choose, it reminds me almost of racism some of the hate they get from some ppl
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Some men got a tendency to act feminem (because of their personality traits) and if the environment supports this behaviour, men can develop homosexuality. Same as for all disorders. And dont hate me for calling it a disorder, cause it's no normal behaviour
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honestly, what's the big deal? both sides of the argument. the homosexual advocates want gayness to be something predetermined, because that validates it. anti-gays want to undermine gayness by saying it's a choice, and a poor one at that.
i believe some people are born with a propensity for gayness. i also believe that some people are born with criminal tendencies, narcissistic tendencies, violent tendencies...etc. it's up to the nurturing to either mask these traits or foster them. i don't think you ever lose them, so a person with some sort of gay predisposition could be raised straight, live a straight life for the majority of their life, and then get turned gay by some major life event. the same trauma can happen to two people (rape/molestation), but only one of them turns gay. why? i submit that only one of them had a predisposition towards it, and the other did not.
but again, like violence; like criminality; like deception; these predispositions manifest themselves as behavior. and society has deemed things like criminality, deception and violence as bad. so the real argument is simply whether or not society is willing to accept gayness as ok and encourage people to exploring those dispositions; or if society is going to shun gayness and force people to work to control those urges.
personally, i don't care what people do, but i don't want gayness flaunted infront of me. i prefer not to watch gay television, gay comedy...etc. if i had children that exhibited homosexual tendencies, i certainly would not encourage them. people can live their lives however they see fit, but i don't have to condone it. and noone (other than maybe my kids if i have any) needs me to validate their behavior.
i think one issue is how people view themselves and spirituality. if you have people that believe in things like karma and reincarnation, the notion that people are already bringing a certain disposition with them into this world is easier to accept. modern christianity tends to shun that sort of notion, and as a result you have people believing that life starts completely at conception with a clean slate. well if you are starting with a clean slate you get stuck trying to explain sexuality and have to blame it on a gene or nurturing. if you believe that people have lived past lives that can subtly influence their current lives, it becomes a little easier to accept the notion that sexuality and criminality and violence are traits that people have inbred within themselves over time, possibly over several lifetimes.
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I got in an argument with some girl the other day about whether homosexuality is psychological or something you're born with. The bitch wanted to defend her brother and was really pressing that it is something that you are born with. I'm for the argument that yes, some people are born homosexual, but the majority of homosexuals arrived at their preference through psychological development. I checked it out further and it seems gay people are really opposed to psychology and insist it is something you are born with. I brought up the example of men in prison who turn submissive or rape. The girl wasn't hearing it though. Are gay people just so ashamed of their own mental development that led them to be homo that they deny it? I'm wondering if there's anyone who's got an intelligent perspective or knows a gay person who agrees with the mental development theory.
Honestly, I had the same exact argument with my girl...She seems to buy into the gays version of "we're born with it", while I explained to her that it's the enviroment you're raised in and what you go through growing up that makes you who you are...Imagine being born in ancient Greece where everyone was raised bisexual and it was the normal way of life...If those people weren't exposed to bisexuality from a young age and were brought up believing that being straight was the normal way of life, then best believe 90% of those who were bi and were raised bi would have been straight...Why do you think half the time when you hear of gay people they talk about how they were molested as children?...It triggers something in the brain, I think we're all born the same (eyes, ears, nose, brain, heart, etc.) and whatever our brain is fed is what makes us who we are...Some people will never understand though.
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Honestly, I had the same exact argument with my girl...She seems to buy into the gays version of "we're born with it", while I explained to her that it's the enviroment you're raised in and what you go through growing up that makes you who you are...
so are you saying that had your parents and environment raised you gay, possibly a couple guys molesting you or something...you'd have been explaining to your boyfriend how "you were turned gay by the environment" ??? (instead of the current situation).
the bottom line is, are you comfortable saying that it is only by luck and chance that you aren't gay right now?
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Yea, if someone is raised by gays and only knows of homosexuality as the only way their whole life, chances are they'd be a homo...It only makes sense, it'd be the only thing they know and in their brain would be considered a normality. To not be gay they'd be rebelling in their mind, which is only done by few...Get it?
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Some men got a tendency to act feminem (because of their personality traits) and if the environment supports this behaviour, men can develop homosexuality. Same as for all disorders. And dont hate me for calling it a disorder, cause it's no normal behaviour
This is where you're wrong. Homosexuality is not "normal" in modern American or European societies. It is "normal" in OTHER societies:
FROM WIKIPEDIA:
HOMOSEXUALITY IN AFRICA:
Though frequently denied or ignored by European explorers, homosexual expression in native Africa was widespread and common, and took a variety of forms. Representative examples: Anthropologists Murray and Roscoe report that women in Lesotho traditionally have engaged in socially sanctioned and celebrated "long term, loving and erotic relationships" named motsoalle. E. E. Evans-Pritchard reported that male Azande warriors (in the northern Congo) routinely married male youths who functioned as temporary wives. The practice had died out in the early 20th century but was recounted to him by the elders. An academic paper by Stephen O. Murray examines the history of descriptions of "Homosexuality in traditional Sub-Saharan Africa".
HOMOSEXUALITY IN NATIVE AMERICAN CULTURE:
Sac and Fox nation ceremonial dance to celebrate the two-spirit person. George Catlin (1796-1872); Smithsonian Institution, Washington, DCIn North American Native society, the most common form of same-sex sexuality seems to centre around the figure of the two-spirit individual. Such persons seem to have been recognised by the majority of tribes, each of which had its particular term for the role. Typically the two-spirit individual was recognised early in life, was given a choice by the parents to follow the path, and if the child accepted the role then it was raised in the appropriate manner, learning the customs of the gender it had chosen. Two-spirit individuals were commonly shamans and were revered as having powers beyond those of ordinary shamans. Their sexual life would be with the ordinary tribe members of the opposite gender. Male two-spirit people were prized as wives because of their greater strength and ability to work. See Two-spirit
IN EASTERN ASIA
In Asia same-sex love has been a central feature of everyday life since the dawn of history. Early Western travellers were taken aback by its widespread acceptance and open display. Homosexual relations in China, known as the pleasures of the bitten peach, the cut sleeve, or the southern custom, have been recorded since approximately 600 BCE. These euphemistic terms were used to describe behaviours, but not identities. The relationships were marked by differences in age and social position. However, the instances of same-sex affection and sexual interactions described in the Hong Lou Meng (Dream of the Red Chamber, or Story of the Stone) seem as familiar to observers in the present as do equivalent stories of romances between heterosexuals during the same period. Homosexuality in Japan, variously known as shudo or nanshoku, terms influenced by Chinese literature, has been documented for over one thousand years and was an integral part of Buddhist monastic life and the samurai tradition. This same-sex love culture gave rise to strong traditions of painting and literature documenting and celebrating such relationships. Similarly, in Thailand, Kathoey or ladyboys have been a feature of Thai society for many centuries, and Thai kings had male as well as female lovers. Kathoey are men who dress as women. They are generally accepted by society. The teachings of Buddhism, dominant in Thai society was accepting of a third gender designation.
SOURCE (for more information): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality#Africa
*And a note to everyone - homosexuality can apply to females, too, ya know.
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Some men got a tendency to act feminem (because of their personality traits) and if the environment supports this behaviour, men can develop homosexuality. Same as for all disorders. And dont hate me for calling it a disorder, cause it's no normal behaviour
This is where you're wrong. Homosexuality is not "normal" in modern American or European societies. It is "normal" in OTHER societies:
FROM WIKIPEDIA:
HOMOSEXUALITY IN AFRICA:
Though frequently denied or ignored by European explorers, homosexual expression in native Africa was widespread and common, and took a variety of forms. Representative examples: Anthropologists Murray and Roscoe report that women in Lesotho traditionally have engaged in socially sanctioned and celebrated "long term, loving and erotic relationships" named motsoalle. E. E. Evans-Pritchard reported that male Azande warriors (in the northern Congo) routinely married male youths who functioned as temporary wives. The practice had died out in the early 20th century but was recounted to him by the elders. An academic paper by Stephen O. Murray examines the history of descriptions of "Homosexuality in traditional Sub-Saharan Africa".
HOMOSEXUALITY IN NATIVE AMERICAN CULTURE:
Sac and Fox nation ceremonial dance to celebrate the two-spirit person. George Catlin (1796-1872); Smithsonian Institution, Washington, DCIn North American Native society, the most common form of same-sex sexuality seems to centre around the figure of the two-spirit individual. Such persons seem to have been recognised by the majority of tribes, each of which had its particular term for the role. Typically the two-spirit individual was recognised early in life, was given a choice by the parents to follow the path, and if the child accepted the role then it was raised in the appropriate manner, learning the customs of the gender it had chosen. Two-spirit individuals were commonly shamans and were revered as having powers beyond those of ordinary shamans. Their sexual life would be with the ordinary tribe members of the opposite gender. Male two-spirit people were prized as wives because of their greater strength and ability to work. See Two-spirit
IN EASTERN ASIA
In Asia same-sex love has been a central feature of everyday life since the dawn of history. Early Western travellers were taken aback by its widespread acceptance and open display. Homosexual relations in China, known as the pleasures of the bitten peach, the cut sleeve, or the southern custom, have been recorded since approximately 600 BCE. These euphemistic terms were used to describe behaviours, but not identities. The relationships were marked by differences in age and social position. However, the instances of same-sex affection and sexual interactions described in the Hong Lou Meng (Dream of the Red Chamber, or Story of the Stone) seem as familiar to observers in the present as do equivalent stories of romances between heterosexuals during the same period. Homosexuality in Japan, variously known as shudo or nanshoku, terms influenced by Chinese literature, has been documented for over one thousand years and was an integral part of Buddhist monastic life and the samurai tradition. This same-sex love culture gave rise to strong traditions of painting and literature documenting and celebrating such relationships. Similarly, in Thailand, Kathoey or ladyboys have been a feature of Thai society for many centuries, and Thai kings had male as well as female lovers. Kathoey are men who dress as women. They are generally accepted by society. The teachings of Buddhism, dominant in Thai society was accepting of a third gender designation.
SOURCE (for more information): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality#Africa
*And a note to everyone - homosexuality can apply to females, too, ya know.
I'm talking about "normal" as in "normal in some cultures". I'm talking about normal behaviour as a whole. You ever seen two male animals fuck? Gays won't produce any offspring, that goes against all nature.
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I'm talking about "normal" as in "normal in some cultures". I'm talking about normal behaviour as a whole. You ever seen two male animals fuck? Gays won't produce any offspring, that goes against all nature.
First off, there is no such thing as "normal." Second, YES gay animals fuck. Go to National Geographic.com they have multiple articles on the subject. Also if you watch the Discovery Channel, every now and then they'll find gay animals in the wild. I remember seeing two female lions trying to have sex on there, and as a 2-year old child who didn't know what homosexuality was, I was well, quite confused lol. Thirdly, just because gays cannot produce offspring does not make homosexuality unnatural. Erectile disfunction is natural. People born with deformities to their genitalia are natural. Homosexuality is natural. It could easily be a mutation in evolution, preventing homosexuality from being passed on to children. IF there is a homosexuality gene, it would be passed on through gays having sex with the opposite sex. Wouldn't it be funny if the religious "right" of America, in their "converting gays" to straights, was actually helping this "gene" pass on to their children? Ha!
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Being Gay is a Devil thing , read the Bible!
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Being Gay is a Devil thing , read the Bible!
Judge Not, Lest Ye Be Judged
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Being Gay is a Devil thing , read the Bible!
Well, how unfortunate for you the Inquisition no longer exists.
Anyways, homosexuality is in all likelihood a combination of nature and nurture,as various posters have allready stated. And perhaps the nature part isn't merely divided between 'could turn gay' and 'won't turn gay' but offers many gradatations inbetween that dictate how likely you are to turn gay. I assume the flamboyant fags had a greater likelihood of turning gay then the non-flamboyant ones.
I am straight myself but like Trauma, I am not a very macho type of man. I was never a sports fan, I don't like fighting,I'm not aggressive or even very active and I am not a very muscled guy. Yet, one can catch me saying very male things,I only lust for women and I don't understand their way of thinking very much. The way I was raised involved me learning what homosexuality was at a young age and my parents have never condemned gay people and said they would accept me as gay, if I turned out to be one. Nevertheless, my father encouraged me very much to like (and of course,lust for) the female body.
Should I have been raised by a homosexual father that encouraged me to like male bodies however, I might have turned gay.
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Being Gay is a Devil thing , read the Bible!
Actaully, YOU ARE FLAT OUT WRONG.
I'd suggest you read Daniel A. Helminiak's "What The Bible Really Says About Homosexuality." Here's a very good review from amazon.com of it that provides the basic knowledge of the book:
As Father Helminiak points out, the Bible has no concept of homosexuality, which is a modern concept and word. What one can study is what the Bible says about what we would class as some forms of homosexual behavior. But the biblical authors lacked the concept, and so could not classify anything as homosexual. Therefore, there can be no general condemnation of homosexual behavior (our concept) in the Bible, like it or not. That's the fact.
There are only a few texts in the Bible that clearly refer to homosexual behavior, and a few others, which may do so. However, to mention something, even in the Bible, is not always to condemn it. The contrary assumption is simply the fallacy of special pleading.
Most of the points Dr. Helminiak makes are nothing new to anyone who has seriously looked into the subject.
The Sodom story in Gen. 19:1-29 is really about the abuse of strangers, who according to the mores of the area should be offered food and shelter. It is well known that no text in the Bible interprets the sin of Sodom as homosexual behavior, but a whole host of other things. Helminiak makes the very apt point that it is really those who give a hard time to the strangers and outsiders in our time (which would include homosexuals in great part) are the ones really guilty of the sin of Sodom.
Lev 18:22 and 20:13 are parts of the Holiness Code, a body of (ritual) uncleanness laws. The Holiness Code explicitly tries to keep the Israelites different from the pagans whose practices were considered impure, and probably involves a religious aversion to mixing of kinds (as sewing two kinds of seeds in a field or using to kinds of thread to make a cloth). The term translated as "abomination" in the King James Version is simply a term for uncleanness. Easily provable.
Helminiak makes a good case that the only thing that would have really counted as sexual intercourse for the ancient Hebrews was penile penetration in either vaginal or anal sex. This would explain why the ancient Jews had little concern for lesbianism or many other sexual activities.
In Romans 1:24-27, we find that Paul does not actually say that the sexual activity referred to is wrong, simply that it is a consequence and even punishment for idolatry. Paul was at that point addressing the Jewish Christians in Rome. Helminiak plausibly maintains that Paul maintains there are two sorts of consequences of idolatrous worship. There are impure, socially disapproved activities, as in 1:25-27, and there are other things which really are wrong, as in the listing in 1:28-32.
The sin lists in 1 Cor. 6:9-10 and 1 Tim. 1:9-10 may not even refer to homosexuality at all. "Malakos" simply means soft, and in times past was regarded as referring to the self-indulgent or even those who masturbate. "Arsenokoites" occurs in the Bible these two texts only, and no one really knows for sure what it means.
There seem to be some positive accounts of homosexual relationships in the Bible, although the Bible could not categorize them in that way. It seems quite likely that David and Jonathan had a love relationship, as can be gleaned from 1 Sam 18:1-4, 1 Sam. 20:16-17. Saul himself may have had a sexual relationship with David, if an alternate reading of the vowelless Hebrew text in 1 Sam 16:21 is correct. His outburst in 20:30-31 may indicate he is jealous of Jonathan's relationship with David. David's lament for both in 2 Sam. 1:19-27 is very revealing, especially that the love of Jonathan was better than the love of a woman.
There have been more speculative interpretations of the relationship between Ruth and Naomi, and also between Daniel and the chief eunuch in Nebuchadnezzar's court, but the evidence is scant.
However, it is quite likely that Jesus encountered a man in homosexual relationship. The Centurion who pleaded for a cure for his very dear servant in Matt. 8:5-13 and Lk. 7:1-10 may well been in love with him. It was common for a Roman slave owner to use slaves for sexual purposes, and soldiers often took along a male sexual partner. Matthew and Luke do not relate that Jesus reacted to any of this, but simply commended the Centurion's faith and told him his dear youth was healed.
Among the spurious texts, the old King James Version mentions "sodomites," a clear mistranslation, in Dt. 23:17; I Kgs 14:24, 15:12, 22:47; and 2 Kgs 23:7; although the same term in Gen 38:21 clearly means some kind of prostitute. The usual translations are cult prostitute, temple prostitute, or sacred prostitute.
How one evaluates something depends on the standards used. This is a work of popularization, depending in great part of research done by others, and it's a remarkably good one. It introduces one into biblical interpretation, placing a text in its historical context, determining the meaning of the actual words, and shows how such methods of study apply to the biblical texts that mention some sort of homosexual behavior. Dr. Helminiak also briefly summarizes some of the research into changing Christian attitudes toward homosexual behavior over the centuries and provides some references.
Helminiak does not cover all the scholarly interpretations of the texts, but then neither does any other book I am aware of. Sometimes, I prefer other interpretations, but I cannot exclude his. John Boswell and Robin Scroggs are well worth reading, as well. But he raises most of the major questions and provides intelligent answers. Also, it's a very clear read. It fully merits a 5 star rating.
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Just imagine the whole world being gay. The human race would extinct. Thats why its wrong.
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Just imagine the whole world being gay. The human race would extinct. Thats why its wrong.
Actually, this dude is telling the thruth. The meaning of life is to multiply, produce offsrping. Homosexuality is something that prevents people from producing offspring. And there are cases of homosexuality in nature, but if it was more benificial than being straight, there wouldl only be homosexuals left. Reproductive organs evolved to create offspring, and didnt evolve for homosexuality.
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When will people realize that EVERYTHINGS in our minds...
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Just imagine the whole world being gay. The human race would extinct. Thats why its wrong.
Actually, this dude is telling the thruth. The meaning of life is to multiply, produce offsrping. Homosexuality is something that prevents people from producing offspring. And there are cases of homosexuality in nature, but if it was more benificial than being straight, there wouldl only be homosexuals left. Reproductive organs evolved to create offspring, and didnt evolve for homosexuality.
Actaully, you are wrong. If the meaning to life is to multiply and produce offspring, than everything other than sex and raising children is meaningless -- like music, art, poetry, self-expression. Are you going to argue that because this is a distraction from what you perceive to be humankind's main goal, that it is meaningless? And furthermore, is the purpose of humankind is to produce babies... what is the goal it is trying to acheive? A high population? How is that important?
Also, homosexuality will never be widespread. Statistics lie, there are far fewer homosexual people than what we have been led to believe (that 1 out of 10 people are gay... completely wrong). One reason why homosexuality is percevering in our society could be that there is a homosexuality gene. If it exists, the gene would be a mutation and 100% natural (natural meanings "occuring in nature" and homosexuliality occurs in huma beings and in animals)... and the only way this gene would be surviving is if it was being passed on through heterosexual sex wherein one member participating was homosexual. These "de-gayifying" centers could actually be helping to spread homosexuality! Haha!
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Are you gay?
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Are you gay?
Naw, my sister is.
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im a lesbian prop me
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^^LOL@Captain Spaulding
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Are you gay?
Naw, my sister is.
Oh yeah, and I'm bisexual. Forgot that lol.
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Are you gay?
Naw, my sister is.
Oh yeah, and I'm bisexual. Forgot that lol.
:camp:
the first out of closet dubcc'er !!!
pS: why would you fuck a man's ass, when you can just get puss ? or if not satisfied with that, why not fuck a womans ass ??
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^^maybe he likes to suck dick too
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^ Maybe he's a girl.
Look, it's obvious that the natural state of things is for men and women to have sex and raise children. THE PURPOSE OF LIFE is to raise children. I thought people had figured that out by now? Nearly every religion believes that. I guess if you're athiest and hate children, maybe it's diffrent for you.
LOL @ the young minds who can't reconcile having a good life with raising children. How can you be so fucking stupid that you say "Well then everything but raising children is meaningless". NO, the human species is intelligent enough to juggle thousands of things, and we're also (some of us) intelligent enough to gain our pleasure out of helping others (including our children). A well balanced life includes all of those things.
Like the guy above said, Homosexuality is deviant behavior, with the definition of deviant as "different than the norm". It is not normal to be a homosexual. It's not evil, either, though in my opinion. It's my honest opinion that most people are gay because of traumatic childhoods, and one of the problems they end up with are homosexual tendencies, whereas the rest of us have our own problems. Nobody's going to hell because they have problems in their lives. It's only when those problems harm others that you run into someone who needs help. I'm not God but I can tell, with my weak, sub-god, humanly mind that it wouldn't be fair to send a queer to hell just because he's queer. He's not hurting anybody. At worst, I would describe a homosexual as someone who failed to meet their full potential, because they were unable to continue their bloodline after their death. I guess in that sense, they would be on the same level as someone who chose not to have children, or who never married, or whatever. It's not evil, it's just unrealized potential.
Then the flip side is, that small percentage that are 'born gay'. I'm not entirely sure that's possible, but lets just decide for arugments sake that it is, to appease those who say "I never chose to be gay!". You were born gay, o.k. It's still not normal behavior. If you're born with 1 eye, that's not normal. that's a birth defect. Now someone who's born with 1 eye would at no fault of their own be different from the rest of the world, and througout their life, they would suffer pain and humiliation as the result of that birth defect. I'm not saying that's right... I'm just saying that's how things are. Homosexuals born gay suffer the same humiliation.
As long as nobody's discriminating against someone because of their sexual preferences (and I don't believe most people do!) then what's the problem?
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i think one issue is how people view themselves and spirituality. if you have people that believe in things like karma and reincarnation, the notion that people are already bringing a certain disposition with them into this world is easier to accept. modern christianity tends to shun that sort of notion, and as a result you have people believing that life starts completely at conception with a clean slate. well if you are starting with a clean slate you get stuck trying to explain sexuality and have to blame it on a gene or nurturing. if you believe that people have lived past lives that can subtly influence their current lives, it becomes a little easier to accept the notion that sexuality and criminality and violence are traits that people have inbred within themselves over time, possibly over several lifetimes.
I agree with most of what you said, but I think your'e drawing too big of a line between eastern religions and Christianity. ALL religions are very, very, very much alike, including Christianity. While most Christians don't believe in reincarnation, they do, mostly, believe in a life before birth in Heaven. Most Christians (it's my experience) believe that we existed with God before earth, and were sent down here as fully developed souls to be born as children. So your same theory about religion/homosexuality holds true for Christianity as well.
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^ Maybe he's a girl.
Look, it's obvious that the natural state of things is for men and women to have sex and raise children. THE PURPOSE OF LIFE is to raise children. I thought people had figured that out by now? Nearly every religion believes that. I guess if you're athiest and hate children, maybe it's diffrent for you.
LOL @ the young minds who can't reconcile having a good life with raising children. How can you be so fucking stupid that you say "Well then everything but raising children is meaningless". NO, the human species is intelligent enough to juggle thousands of things, and we're also (some of us) intelligent enough to gain our pleasure out of helping others (including our children). A well balanced life includes all of those things.
Like the guy above said, Homosexuality is deviant behavior, with the definition of deviant as "different than the norm". It is not normal to be a homosexual. It's not evil, either, though in my opinion. It's my honest opinion that most people are gay because of traumatic childhoods, and one of the problems they end up with are homosexual tendencies, whereas the rest of us have our own problems. Nobody's going to hell because they have problems in their lives. It's only when those problems harm others that you run into someone who needs help. I'm not God but I can tell, with my weak, sub-god, humanly mind that it wouldn't be fair to send a queer to hell just because he's queer. He's not hurting anybody. At worst, I would describe a homosexual as someone who failed to meet their full potential, because they were unable to continue their bloodline after their death. I guess in that sense, they would be on the same level as someone who chose not to have children, or who never married, or whatever. It's not evil, it's just unrealized potential.
Then the flip side is, that small percentage that are 'born gay'. I'm not entirely sure that's possible, but lets just decide for arugments sake that it is, to appease those who say "I never chose to be gay!". You were born gay, o.k. It's still not normal behavior. If you're born with 1 eye, that's not normal. that's a birth defect. Now someone who's born with 1 eye would at no fault of their own be different from the rest of the world, and througout their life, they would suffer pain and humiliation as the result of that birth defect. I'm not saying that's right... I'm just saying that's how things are. Homosexuals born gay suffer the same humiliation.
As long as nobody's discriminating against someone because of their sexual preferences (and I don't believe most people do!) then what's the problem?
Whatever it is though.. why would someone choose to be gay? I can't think of any advantages for gay people ::)
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^ Maybe he's a girl.
Look, it's obvious that the natural state of things is for men and women to have sex and raise children. THE PURPOSE OF LIFE is to raise children. I thought people had figured that out by now? Nearly every religion believes that. I guess if you're athiest and hate children, maybe it's diffrent for you.
LOL @ the young minds who can't reconcile having a good life with raising children. How can you be so fucking stupid that you say "Well then everything but raising children is meaningless". NO, the human species is intelligent enough to juggle thousands of things, and we're also (some of us) intelligent enough to gain our pleasure out of helping others (including our children). A well balanced life includes all of those things.
Like the guy above said, Homosexuality is deviant behavior, with the definition of deviant as "different than the norm". It is not normal to be a homosexual. It's not evil, either, though in my opinion. It's my honest opinion that most people are gay because of traumatic childhoods, and one of the problems they end up with are homosexual tendencies, whereas the rest of us have our own problems. Nobody's going to hell because they have problems in their lives. It's only when those problems harm others that you run into someone who needs help. I'm not God but I can tell, with my weak, sub-god, humanly mind that it wouldn't be fair to send a queer to hell just because he's queer. He's not hurting anybody. At worst, I would describe a homosexual as someone who failed to meet their full potential, because they were unable to continue their bloodline after their death. I guess in that sense, they would be on the same level as someone who chose not to have children, or who never married, or whatever. It's not evil, it's just unrealized potential.
Then the flip side is, that small percentage that are 'born gay'. I'm not entirely sure that's possible, but lets just decide for arugments sake that it is, to appease those who say "I never chose to be gay!". You were born gay, o.k. It's still not normal behavior. If you're born with 1 eye, that's not normal. that's a birth defect. Now someone who's born with 1 eye would at no fault of their own be different from the rest of the world, and througout their life, they would suffer pain and humiliation as the result of that birth defect. I'm not saying that's right... I'm just saying that's how things are. Homosexuals born gay suffer the same humiliation.
As long as nobody's discriminating against someone because of their sexual preferences (and I don't believe most people do!) then what's the problem?
Whatever it is though.. why would someone choose to be gay? I can't think of any advantages for gay people ::)
ITs because they are fucked up it the mind. And they dont realise that its wrong.
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^^ If all your friends would like men would you fuck men too?
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^^ If all your friends would like men would you fuck men too?
what?? i dont understand you question, where is it coming from???
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Obviously, the gay gene can get carried on because there are many gay people that do marry a woman and have children.
I'm sure each and every one of you know at least one person who clearly is homosexual yet still got married and still has children.
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^ Maybe he's a girl.
Look, it's obvious that the natural state of things is for men and women to have sex and raise children. THE PURPOSE OF LIFE is to raise children. I thought people had figured that out by now? Nearly every religion believes that. I guess if you're athiest and hate children, maybe it's diffrent for you.
LOL @ the young minds who can't reconcile having a good life with raising children. How can you be so fucking stupid that you say "Well then everything but raising children is meaningless". NO, the human species is intelligent enough to juggle thousands of things, and we're also (some of us) intelligent enough to gain our pleasure out of helping others (including our children). A well balanced life includes all of those things.
You missed my entire point - If the purpose of life is to reproduce, what is the goal it is trying to achieve? Why does there even NEED to be a purpose in life in the first place?! Surely, if you cannot explain the NEED for a purpose and cannot explain the goal of that purpose, I'd say you are pretty "fucked up."
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pS: why would you fuck a man's ass, when you can just get puss ? or if not satisfied with that, why not fuck a womans ass ??
I do not allow other people's approval to take priority over who I am. I am bi-sexual and have no desire to hide or conceal it. In my opinion, if people have a problem with that it stems from their own sexual "short"-comings.
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ITs because they are fucked up it the mind. And they dont realise that its wrong.
How is homosexuality "wrong?" Don't even bring up the reproduction shit, because dudes with disfunctional penises don't get ANYWHERE near the same bullshit that gay/lesbian/bi-sexual people have to put up with. And if you do bring up reproduction and the "purpose of human life," please explain to me WHY we need a purpose and WHAT the goal of that purpose is.
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are you a woman?
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ITs because they are fucked up it the mind. And they dont realise that its wrong.
How is homosexuality "wrong?" Don't even bring up the reproduction shit, because dudes with disfunctional penises don't get ANYWHERE near the same bullshit that gay/lesbian/bi-sexual people have to put up with. And if you do bring up reproduction and the "purpose of human life," please explain to me WHY we need a purpose and WHAT the goal of that purpose is.
i know some cultures where sex with animals happens (and im not talking about a majority or near)... specially in villages. since a girls is supposed to be 'pure' until marriage, some men please themselves with animals
so tell me, is it ok for humans to have sex with animals?
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^ Maybe he's a girl.
Look, it's obvious that the natural state of things is for men and women to have sex and raise children. THE PURPOSE OF LIFE is to raise children. I thought people had figured that out by now? Nearly every religion believes that. I guess if you're athiest and hate children, maybe it's diffrent for you.
LOL @ the young minds who can't reconcile having a good life with raising children. How can you be so fucking stupid that you say "Well then everything but raising children is meaningless". NO, the human species is intelligent enough to juggle thousands of things, and we're also (some of us) intelligent enough to gain our pleasure out of helping others (including our children). A well balanced life includes all of those things.
Like the guy above said, Homosexuality is deviant behavior, with the definition of deviant as "different than the norm". It is not normal to be a homosexual. It's not evil, either, though in my opinion. It's my honest opinion that most people are gay because of traumatic childhoods, and one of the problems they end up with are homosexual tendencies, whereas the rest of us have our own problems. Nobody's going to hell because they have problems in their lives. It's only when those problems harm others that you run into someone who needs help. I'm not God but I can tell, with my weak, sub-god, humanly mind that it wouldn't be fair to send a queer to hell just because he's queer. He's not hurting anybody. At worst, I would describe a homosexual as someone who failed to meet their full potential, because they were unable to continue their bloodline after their death. I guess in that sense, they would be on the same level as someone who chose not to have children, or who never married, or whatever. It's not evil, it's just unrealized potential.
Then the flip side is, that small percentage that are 'born gay'. I'm not entirely sure that's possible, but lets just decide for arugments sake that it is, to appease those who say "I never chose to be gay!". You were born gay, o.k. It's still not normal behavior. If you're born with 1 eye, that's not normal. that's a birth defect. Now someone who's born with 1 eye would at no fault of their own be different from the rest of the world, and througout their life, they would suffer pain and humiliation as the result of that birth defect. I'm not saying that's right... I'm just saying that's how things are. Homosexuals born gay suffer the same humiliation.
As long as nobody's discriminating against someone because of their sexual preferences (and I don't believe most people do!) then what's the problem?
Whatever it is though.. why would someone choose to be gay? I can't think of any advantages for gay people ::)
It's not a conscious choice. Why do people live their lives depressed? It's nothing but negativity but yet they do it anyways. Why do drunks keep drinking? Why does anybody do something self destructive? It's usually the result of something that's happened to them, and it's the way that their mind copes with it.
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Obviously, the gay gene can get carried on because there are many gay people that do marry a woman and have children.
I'm sure each and every one of you know at least one person who clearly is homosexual yet still got married and still has children.
I don't think theres a 'gay gene', I've known lesbians and such that raised children that didn't end up gay. I think most people's anatomy (duh) and physiology is geared towards heterosexuality.
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^ Maybe he's a girl.
Look, it's obvious that the natural state of things is for men and women to have sex and raise children. THE PURPOSE OF LIFE is to raise children. I thought people had figured that out by now? Nearly every religion believes that. I guess if you're athiest and hate children, maybe it's diffrent for you.
LOL @ the young minds who can't reconcile having a good life with raising children. How can you be so fucking stupid that you say "Well then everything but raising children is meaningless". NO, the human species is intelligent enough to juggle thousands of things, and we're also (some of us) intelligent enough to gain our pleasure out of helping others (including our children). A well balanced life includes all of those things.
You missed my entire point - If the purpose of life is to reproduce, what is the goal it is trying to achieve? Why does there even NEED to be a purpose in life in the first place?! Surely, if you cannot explain the NEED for a purpose and cannot explain the goal of that purpose, I'd say you are pretty "fucked up."
You're not even on my level intellectually, you missed the entire thing I said in that. The only thing I can advise you is to re-read it, and maybe you'll understand (eventually), and 2. stop fucking guys in the ass.
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Just imagine the whole world being gay. The human race would extinct. Thats why its wrong.
Actually, this dude is telling the thruth. The meaning of life is to multiply, produce offsrping. Homosexuality is something that prevents people from producing offspring. And there are cases of homosexuality in nature, but if it was more benificial than being straight, there wouldl only be homosexuals left. Reproductive organs evolved to create offspring, and didnt evolve for homosexuality.
Actaully, you are wrong. If the meaning to life is to multiply and produce offspring, than everything other than sex and raising children is meaningless -- like music, art, poetry, self-expression. Are you going to argue that because this is a distraction from what you perceive to be humankind's main goal, that it is meaningless? And furthermore, is the purpose of humankind is to produce babies... what is the goal it is trying to acheive? A high population? How is that important?
Also, homosexuality will never be widespread. Statistics lie, there are far fewer homosexual people than what we have been led to believe (that 1 out of 10 people are gay... completely wrong). One reason why homosexuality is percevering in our society could be that there is a homosexuality gene. If it exists, the gene would be a mutation and 100% natural (natural meanings "occuring in nature" and homosexuliality occurs in huma beings and in animals)... and the only way this gene would be surviving is if it was being passed on through heterosexual sex wherein one member participating was homosexual. These "de-gayifying" centers could actually be helping to spread homosexuality! Haha!
There is no "gay-gene" some genes just make people act in certain ways. There also aint no "alcoholic gene" or anything like that. The gene's just create some personality traits that make people act in certain ways (like acting feminem, or searching for adventure for alcoholics). I dont think you can get gay, if you're abused as a child, you just become gay if some personality traits are stimulated by the parents. If a guy acts very feminem and parents support that behaviour, that may be one factor involved in the devolepment of homosexuality. And i dont got any problems with gay people, but its not normal behaviour. Like you said, there are way less gay people than statistics indicate. If there really were so many gay people, it might've shown that homosexuality has a benifit over heterosexuality. The purpose of life is passing you're genes to the next generation (if we wouldnt do that there was no life at all, it aint that hard): gay people will never get the chance to do that, since they dont multiply.
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^^maybe he likes to suck dick too
LOL thats what i edited out, didn't want to be too cold... i've tried to cut down on my gay bashing...
pS: why would you fuck a man's ass, when you can just get puss ? or if not satisfied with that, why not fuck a womans ass ??
I do not allow other people's approval to take priority over who I am. I am bi-sexual and have no desire to hide or conceal it. In my opinion, if people have a problem with that it stems from their own sexual "short"-comings.
what makes you think i have sexual short-comings ? and whats that got to do with you sucking dick ?
ITs because they are fucked up it the mind. And they dont realise that its wrong.
How is homosexuality "wrong?"
if there is no answer to that, is there an answer to it being right ?
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How is homosexuality "wrong?"
if there is no answer to that, is there an answer to it being right ?
huh? Homosexuality isn't right and it isn't wrong, it just is. Just like eating food isn't "right" it's just what we do.
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^^ yeah but you dont have to be gay to live
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You missed my entire point - If the purpose of life is to reproduce, what is the goal it is trying to achieve? Why does there even NEED to be a purpose in life in the first place?! Surely, if you cannot explain the NEED for a purpose and cannot explain the goal of that purpose, I'd say you are pretty "fucked up."
You're not even on my level intellectually, you missed the entire thing I said in that. The only thing I can advise you is to re-read it, and maybe you'll understand (eventually), and 2. stop fucking guys in the ass.
I know I'm not on your level of intelligence - you act and behave ill-mannered and self-righteous, which I've yet to act and behave in your presence on this forum. And (2) don't tell me what I should and should not be doing. Do you have any significant control issues?...because you are constantly telling people that they are wrong and need to change because it disagrees with your personal belief system. By having sexual relations with men I am in no way violating your personal rights -- so there is no need for you to attack me.
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^^ yeah but you dont have to be gay to live
My comment had absolutely nothing to do with "living". It had to do with right and wrong and situations where there is no right and wrong. It is just an action. It violates no one rights at all as long as all people consent and isn't manipulating someone (as in rape or pedophillia).
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pS: why would you fuck a man's ass, when you can just get puss ? or if not satisfied with that, why not fuck a womans ass ??
I do not allow other people's approval to take priority over who I am. I am bi-sexual and have no desire to hide or conceal it. In my opinion, if people have a problem with that it stems from their own sexual "short"-comings.
what makes you think i have sexual short-comings ? and whats that got to do with you sucking dick ?
I never said you had sexual short-comings. I'm saying that self-righteousness and intolerance are ways that humans distract themselves from their own internal problems. If someone is insecure with themselves they will find ways to distract not only themselves but other people from their own insecurities by degrading others. It also gives the insecure person a boost, as if they are better than the one they have degraded.
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^ whatever man... but fags do affect me, i think it's disgusting when they dress like women, and dont say "dont look" because i should be able to look anywhere i want without being disgusted.
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^ whatever man... but fags do affect me, i think it's disgusting when they dress like women, and dont say "dont look" because i should be able to look anywhere i want without being disgusted.
lol, i bet 95% of all homosexuals isn't a flamer
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Obviously, the gay gene can get carried on because there are many gay people that do marry a woman and have children.
I'm sure each and every one of you know at least one person who clearly is homosexual yet still got married and still has children.
I don't think theres a 'gay gene', I've known lesbians and such that raised children that didn't end up gay.
Lesbians RAISING children does not pass on their genes.
You missed the guy's point.
^^ yeah but you dont have to be gay to live
My comment had absolutely nothing to do with "living". It had to do with right and wrong and situations where there is no right and wrong. It is just an action. It violates no one rights at all as long as all people consent and isn't manipulating someone (as in rape or pedophillia).
So are saying it is okay for pedophiles to be sexually attracted to children, as long as they don't engage in anything?
Thinking sexually about children IS WRONG, even though no rights are violated.
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Obviously, the gay gene can get carried on because there are many gay people that do marry a woman and have children.
I'm sure each and every one of you know at least one person who clearly is homosexual yet still got married and still has children.
I don't think theres a 'gay gene', I've known lesbians and such that raised children that didn't end up gay.
Lesbians RAISING children does not pass on their genes.
You missed the guy's point.
You really think so? In a lot of cases one of the two lesbians gives birth to the baby, so she can pass her 'gay genes' to him/her (the baby).
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Well yes they can, but it looks like he implied lesbians only raising children, and not actually doing all that genetic engineering.
I suppose even if the child was born from only one of the lesbians, there would still be a 50% chance of the child getting the 'gay genes'
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Obviously, the gay gene can get carried on because there are many gay people that do marry a woman and have children.
I'm sure each and every one of you know at least one person who clearly is homosexual yet still got married and still has children.
I don't think theres a 'gay gene', I've known lesbians and such that raised children that didn't end up gay.
Lesbians RAISING children does not pass on their genes.
You missed the guy's point.
^^ yeah but you dont have to be gay to live
My comment had absolutely nothing to do with "living". It had to do with right and wrong and situations where there is no right and wrong. It is just an action. It violates no one rights at all as long as all people consent and isn't manipulating someone (as in rape or pedophillia).
So are saying it is okay for pedophiles to be sexually attracted to children, as long as they don't engage in anything?
Thinking sexually about children IS WRONG, even though no rights are violated.
Dude, pedophillia is considered a DISEASE and they are in the midst of developing a cure. Homosexuality isn't.
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^ whatever man... but fags do affect me, i think it's disgusting when they dress like women, and dont say "dont look" because i should be able to look anywhere i want without being disgusted.
Don't stereotype gays. It's like saying all blacks are lazy, drug-dealing, murderous niggers.
Second, the fact you allow someone else to control your emotions is pretty pathetic. I dispise a lot of people, especially judgemental, self-righteous people, but I don't let them get to me. Honestly, I think you have issues.
Then, if we gave you your "right" to look anywhere without being disgusted, we'd have to give it to everyone. Thus, blacks would not be allowed in the prescence of racist whites, non-Christians in the prescence of Christians, etc. etc. You are pretty self-absorbed, and I'd suggest growing the fuck up.
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Obviously, the gay gene can get carried on because there are many gay people that do marry a woman and have children.
I'm sure each and every one of you know at least one person who clearly is homosexual yet still got married and still has children.
I don't think theres a 'gay gene', I've known lesbians and such that raised children that didn't end up gay.
Lesbians RAISING children does not pass on their genes.
You missed the guy's point.
^^ yeah but you dont have to be gay to live
My comment had absolutely nothing to do with "living". It had to do with right and wrong and situations where there is no right and wrong. It is just an action. It violates no one rights at all as long as all people consent and isn't manipulating someone (as in rape or pedophillia).
So are saying it is okay for pedophiles to be sexually attracted to children, as long as they don't engage in anything?
Thinking sexually about children IS WRONG, even though no rights are violated.
Dude, pedophillia is considered a DISEASE and they are in the midst of developing a cure. Homosexuality isn't.
So youre saying pedophilia is a disease and a doctor can diagnose you that? its when someone is sexually attracted to children and they choose to be like that so i dont get it. Its just like when someone chooses to be a police officer or a lazy person or a serial killer but can a doctor diagnose you for those things too. Or can a doctor just say you're a homosexual? That sounds pretty crazy.
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^ whatever man... but fags do affect me, i think it's disgusting when they dress like women, and dont say "dont look" because i should be able to look anywhere i want without being disgusted.
Don't stereotype gays. It's like saying all blacks are lazy, drug-dealing, murderous niggers.
Second, the fact you allow someone else to control your emotions is pretty pathetic. I dispise a lot of people, especially judgemental, self-righteous people, but I don't let them get to me.
Then, if we gave you your "right" to look anywhere without being disgusted, we'd have to give it to everyone. Thus, blacks would not be allowed in the prescence of racist whites
Hes not stereotyping you. If you're aware, you are gay and he said gay people disgust him when they dress like women and thats a fact. What you said about black people is your opinion and thats stereotyping. Also, how do you know if hes even black or not?
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-Pedophilia is an actual mental disorder that is in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disoders book.
-Homosexuality was removed from that book in 1973
- The poster said "fags do affect me, i think it's disgusting when they dress like women". Since the poster did not say Some or those that, an assumption is made that ALL homosexuals dress like women and that is not a fact. His example about blacks fits perfect. You clearly didnt understand it.
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^ whatever man... but fags do affect me, i think it's disgusting when they dress like women, and dont say "dont look" because i should be able to look anywhere i want without being disgusted.
Don't stereotype gays. It's like saying all blacks are lazy, drug-dealing, murderous niggers.
Second, the fact you allow someone else to control your emotions is pretty pathetic. I dispise a lot of people, especially judgemental, self-righteous people, but I don't let them get to me.
Then, if we gave you your "right" to look anywhere without being disgusted, we'd have to give it to everyone. Thus, blacks would not be allowed in the prescence of racist whites
Hes not stereotyping you. If you're aware, you are gay and he said gay people disgust him when they dress like women and thats a fact. What you said about black people is your opinion and thats stereotyping. Also, how do you know if hes even black or not?
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sorry if thats not fitting but i been waiting to post it. lol 8)
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I dont see any ownage. Not all homosexuals are crossdressers. He should have said that gays that dress like women digust him but not "fags".
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I dont see any ownage. Not all homosexuals are crossdressers. He should have said that gays that dress like women digust him but not "fags".
good point.
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Pic reminds me of Me, Myself and Irene :laugh:
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Dude, pedophillia is considered a DISEASE and they are in the midst of developing a cure. Homosexuality isn't.
I can consider homosexuality to be a mental illness.
-Pedophilia is an actual mental disorder that is in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disoders book.
-Homosexuality was removed from that book in 1973
So if we are going exactly by the book, are you saying homosexuality was a mental illness up until 1972, then suddenly it was ok in 1973? The point I'm making is just because homosexuality has now been removed from the book does not mean that it is not a mental illness, because that book is just in the OPINION of American Psychiatric Association.
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^ whatever man... but fags do affect me, i think it's disgusting when they dress like women, and dont say "dont look" because i should be able to look anywhere i want without being disgusted.
Don't stereotype gays. It's like saying all blacks are lazy, drug-dealing, murderous niggers.
Second, the fact you allow someone else to control your emotions is pretty pathetic. I dispise a lot of people, especially judgemental, self-righteous people, but I don't let them get to me. Honestly, I think you have issues.
Then, if we gave you your "right" to look anywhere without being disgusted, we'd have to give it to everyone. Thus, blacks would not be allowed in the prescence of racist whites, non-Christians in the prescence of Christians, etc. etc. You are pretty self-absorbed, and I'd suggest growing the fuck up.
i'll grow the fuck up when you stop being a queer, faggot. i was just saying how poof's affect me.
i despise judgemental people like-wise, and i also despise queer ass faggots that are fucked in the head that put themselves above women.
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In my opinion, epilepsy does not exist. I strongly believe that the people who claim to have "epilepsy" really are experiencing demons taking control of their body. I dont really care what a neuroligist has to say about it, it's jsut his opinion that it's epilepsy. ::)
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i'll grow the fuck up when you stop being a queer, faggot. i was just saying how poof's affect me.
i despise judgemental people like-wise, and i also despise queer ass faggots that are fucked in the head that put themselves above women.
There is truly nothing less pathetic than allowing others to control your emotions. And how am I putting myself above women?! I respect women, where are you getting all this from.
And how can you despise judgmental people if you yourself are judgemental?!
Wow, I've never joined a forum this stupid before. Do any of you read any books or anything? Or are books just as evil and dangerous as you claim homosexuality is for no other reason that because your "God" tells you. But the funny part is, ask most Biblical scholars and they'll tell you the majority of Christians are misinterpreting those scriptures.
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In my opinion, epilepsy does not exist. I strongly believe that the people who claim to have "epilepsy" really are experiencing demons taking control of their body. I dont really care what a neuroligist has to say about it, it's jsut his opinion that it's epilepsy. ::)
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Wow, I've never joined a forum this stupid before. Do any of you read any books or anything? Or are books just as evil and dangerous as you claim homosexuality is for no other reason that because your "God" tells you. But the funny part is, ask most Biblical scholars and they'll tell you the majority of Christians are misinterpreting those scriptures.
listen to u stereotyping everyone on this forum u fuckin faggot.
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Wow, I've never joined a forum this stupid before. Do any of you read any books or anything? Or are books just as evil and dangerous as you claim homosexuality is for no other reason that because your "God" tells you. But the funny part is, ask most Biblical scholars and they'll tell you the majority of Christians are misinterpreting those scriptures.
listen to u stereotyping everyone on this forum u fuckin faggot.
Stereotyping? LOL. Racial profilling is stereotyping. Saying that all homosexuals are cross-dressers is stereotyping. Saying that all blacks are lazy and ignorant is stereotyping.
Saying you are stupid because _____ isn't stereotyping, and we can drop this shit here because arguing over the definition of stereotyping and every little word or phrase in this thread is utterly pointless.
I will take back everything that I said though, since it was directed exclusively at you. So sorry if I "offended" anyone here. haha.
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u fuckin faggot.
Why the hostility? Were you molested by your father? Uncle? Grandfather?
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u fuckin faggot.
Why the hostility? Were you molested by your father? Uncle? Grandfather?
obviously, i threw that in to sterotype u.
have you any wit?
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i'll grow the fuck up when you stop being a queer, faggot. i was just saying how poof's affect me.
i despise judgemental people like-wise, and i also despise queer ass faggots that are fucked in the head that put themselves above women.
There is truly nothing less pathetic than allowing others to control your emotions. And how am I putting myself above women?! I respect women, where are you getting all this from.
And how can you despise judgmental people if you yourself are judgemental?!
Wow, I've never joined a forum this stupid before. Do any of you read any books or anything? Or are books just as evil and dangerous as you claim homosexuality is for no other reason that because your "God" tells you. But the funny part is, ask most Biblical scholars and they'll tell you the majority of Christians are misinterpreting those scriptures.
No, you're the one that got yourself into this acting like you're smarter and better than everyone on here because you're gay. Just because some other fag told you that being gay is alright with god, it doesn't mean its true nor you can come in here and probably other places trying to say were all fucked up because noone here is gay.
Man, fags piss me off too much :sign_banhim:
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i'll grow the fuck up when you stop being a queer, faggot. i was just saying how poof's affect me.
i despise judgemental people like-wise, and i also despise queer ass faggots that are fucked in the head that put themselves above women.
There is truly nothing less pathetic than allowing others to control your emotions. And how am I putting myself above women?! I respect women, where are you getting all this from.
And how can you despise judgmental people if you yourself are judgemental?!
Wow, I've never joined a forum this stupid before. Do any of you read any books or anything? Or are books just as evil and dangerous as you claim homosexuality is for no other reason that because your "God" tells you. But the funny part is, ask most Biblical scholars and they'll tell you the majority of Christians are misinterpreting those scriptures.
No, you're the one that got yourself into this acting like you're smarter and better than everyone on here because you're gay. Just because some other fag told you that being gay is alright with god, it doesn't mean its true nor you can come in here and probably other places trying to say were all fucked up because noone here is gay.
Man, fags piss me off too much :sign_banhim:
Lol!! I'm atheist, so God doesn't exist to me, and I certainly don't seek the approval of things that don't exist, much less those that do exist. And I'm bisexual -- and please tell me where I posted anything say that I don't like people who are straight. My best friends are straight. I have ABSOLUTELY NO PROBLEM WITH PEOPLE BEING THEMSELVES... which is why I ask that you respect my life choices like I respect yours.
And please, "ban me"?! On what grounds - that I'm trying to act somewhat educated in a thred where illiterate posters can't manage to say too words without a "fag"... ::)
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i'll grow the fuck up when you stop being a queer, faggot. i was just saying how poof's affect me.
i despise judgemental people like-wise, and i also despise queer ass faggots that are fucked in the head that put themselves above women.
There is truly nothing less pathetic than allowing others to control your emotions. And how am I putting myself above women?! I respect women, where are you getting all this from.
And how can you despise judgmental people if you yourself are judgemental?!
Wow, I've never joined a forum this stupid before. Do any of you read any books or anything? Or are books just as evil and dangerous as you claim homosexuality is for no other reason that because your "God" tells you. But the funny part is, ask most Biblical scholars and they'll tell you the majority of Christians are misinterpreting those scriptures.
No, you're the one that got yourself into this acting like you're smarter and better than everyone on here because you're gay. Just because some other fag told you that being gay is alright with god, it doesn't mean its true nor you can come in here and probably other places trying to say were all fucked up because noone here is gay.
Man, fags piss me off too much :sign_banhim:
Lol!! I'm atheist, so God doesn't exist to me, and I certainly don't seek the approval of things that don't exist, much less those that do exist. And I'm bisexual -- and please tell me where I posted anything say that I don't like people who are straight. My best friends are straight. I have ABSOLUTELY NO PROBLEM WITH PEOPLE BEING THEMSELVES... which is why I ask that you respect my life choices like I respect yours.
And please, "ban me"?! On what grounds - that I'm trying to act somewhat educated in a thred where illiterate posters can't manage to say too words without a "fag"... ::)
what is this fag talkin about?
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i did it, 3 words witout sayin fag. i win.
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why does the word fag offend you so much if you are one? WOW i broke the record 7 words without saying fag
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Wow, I've never joined a forum this stupid before. Do any of you read any books or anything? Or are books just as evil and dangerous as you claim homosexuality is for no other reason that because your "God" tells you.
Wow! not only are you cocky but you are one stupid muthafucka for saying that
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Being gay is bad
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Wow, I've never joined a forum this stupid before. Do any of you read any books or anything? Or are books just as evil and dangerous as you claim homosexuality is for no other reason that because your "God" tells you.
Wow! not only are you cocky but you are one stupid muthafucka for saying that
How am I stupid? You are just self-righteous and ignorant of other people's opinions and lifestyles. I do not believe in God. I want you to prove to me that I am wrong. All you have done so far is ignorantly toss insults at me. And no am I offended by the word "faggot." Words only have as much power as you give them. I do think it is an unhealthy word to use though, on par with "nigga", but then again that word is up to interpretation.
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Being gay is bad
There is no such thing as "good" and "bad." There is only a drive to survive and a desire for comfort. And I'd suggest reading on cultural genes, memes, before telling me survival has nothing to do with "good" and "bad."
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But the funny part is, ask most Biblical scholars and they'll tell you the majority of Christians are misinterpreting those scriptures.
thats probably because theyre child raping faggots.
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look when it comes down to it, i give anyone a fair go... but my experience with homo's they always fuck up... they aren't called queer for no reason, they ARE queer.
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why is this gay ass thread still alive.
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Being gay is bad
There is no such thing as "good" and "bad." There is only a drive to survive and a desire for comfort. And I'd suggest reading on cultural genes, memes, before telling me survival has nothing to do with "good" and "bad."
No such things as "good" and "bad" is the dumbest shit I've ever heard of in my life. That's what separates humans from animals, because humans have MORALS - ie a sense of what is GOOD and BAD.
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only a man fuckin sympathizer would say some dumb shit like there is no good or bad
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only a man fuckin sympathizer would say some dumb shit like there is no good or bad
I'd suggest reading Jeff Vail's "A Theory of Power" (it's only 50 pages long); it does a great job of explaining this. He explains that humans have cultural genes called memes and give us the desire to conform for the good of society. These memes tell us not to kill because we are hurting the chances of the human memes survival. Even our emotions are not real -- our brain produces chemicals that make us fall in love, be happy, or become depressed. And studies have concluded that when humans reject the desire to conform for the good of society, our brains produce the chemicals that make us depressed. It's a very interested book; I'd definatelty suggest reading it (only 50 pages long).
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Then my cousin, who is like 4, listens to Britney Spears and Christina Aguilera all day along. He dances like a fruit to them too. So I have a hunch he'll turn out gay too.
switch those cds wit some rap and get him out of that shit while hes still young lol
now thats funny
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only a man fuckin sympathizer would say some dumb shit like there is no good or bad
I'd suggest reading Jeff Vail's "A Theory of Power" (it's only 50 pages long); it does a great job of explaining this. He explains that humans have cultural genes called memes and give us the desire to conform for the good of society. These memes tell us not to kill because we are hurting the chances of the human memes survival. Even our emotions are not real -- our brain produces chemicals that make us fall in love, be happy, or become depressed. And studies have concluded that when humans reject the desire to conform for the good of society, our brains produce the chemicals that make us depressed. It's a very interested book; I'd definatelty suggest reading it (only 50 pages long).
i'm sure 50 pages would sufficiently explain neuroscience and psychology.
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^ lol
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i'll grow the fuck up when you stop being a queer, faggot. i was just saying how poof's affect me.
i despise judgemental people like-wise, and i also despise queer ass faggots that are fucked in the head that put themselves above women.
There is truly nothing less pathetic than allowing others to control your emotions. And how am I putting myself above women?! I respect women, where are you getting all this from.
And how can you despise judgmental people if you yourself are judgemental?!
Wow, I've never joined a forum this stupid before. Do any of you read any books or anything? Or are books just as evil and dangerous as you claim homosexuality is for no other reason that because your "God" tells you. But the funny part is, ask most Biblical scholars and they'll tell you the majority of Christians are misinterpreting those scriptures.
No, you're the one that got yourself into this acting like you're smarter and better than everyone on here because you're gay. Just because some other fag told you that being gay is alright with god, it doesn't mean its true nor you can come in here and probably other places trying to say were all fucked up because noone here is gay.
Man, fags piss me off too much :sign_banhim:
Lol!! I'm atheist, so God doesn't exist to me, and I certainly don't seek the approval of things that don't exist, much less those that do exist. And I'm bisexual -- and please tell me where I posted anything say that I don't like people who are straight. My best friends are straight. I have ABSOLUTELY NO PROBLEM WITH PEOPLE BEING THEMSELVES... which is why I ask that you respect my life choices like I respect yours.
And please, "ban me"?! On what grounds - that I'm trying to act somewhat educated in a thred where illiterate posters can't manage to say too words without a "fag"... ::)
you muthafuckas kill me with that bi shit....you either lick balls or not.and you my friend is a ball licking fag,point blank.....make up your mind lady.
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i'll grow the fuck up when you stop being a queer, faggot. i was just saying how poof's affect me.
i despise judgemental people like-wise, and i also despise queer ass faggots that are fucked in the head that put themselves above women.
There is truly nothing less pathetic than allowing others to control your emotions. And how am I putting myself above women?! I respect women, where are you getting all this from.
And how can you despise judgmental people if you yourself are judgemental?!
Wow, I've never joined a forum this stupid before. Do any of you read any books or anything? Or are books just as evil and dangerous as you claim homosexuality is for no other reason that because your "God" tells you. But the funny part is, ask most Biblical scholars and they'll tell you the majority of Christians are misinterpreting those scriptures.
No, you're the one that got yourself into this acting like you're smarter and better than everyone on here because you're gay. Just because some other fag told you that being gay is alright with god, it doesn't mean its true nor you can come in here and probably other places trying to say were all fucked up because noone here is gay.
Man, fags piss me off too much :sign_banhim:
Lol!! I'm atheist, so God doesn't exist to me, and I certainly don't seek the approval of things that don't exist, much less those that do exist. And I'm bisexual -- and please tell me where I posted anything say that I don't like people who are straight. My best friends are straight. I have ABSOLUTELY NO PROBLEM WITH PEOPLE BEING THEMSELVES... which is why I ask that you respect my life choices like I respect yours.
And please, "ban me"?! On what grounds - that I'm trying to act somewhat educated in a thred where illiterate posters can't manage to say too words without a "fag"... ::)
you muthafuckas kill me with that bi shit....you either lick balls or not.and you my friend is a ball licking fag,point blank.....make up your mind lady.
i been saying this for the longest of times... bi's are the worst, they carry the most s.t.i's, and they pass it on to our women ! dirty bastards.
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i'll grow the fuck up when you stop being a queer, faggot. i was just saying how poof's affect me.
i despise judgemental people like-wise, and i also despise queer ass faggots that are fucked in the head that put themselves above women.
There is truly nothing less pathetic than allowing others to control your emotions. And how am I putting myself above women?! I respect women, where are you getting all this from.
And how can you despise judgmental people if you yourself are judgemental?!
Wow, I've never joined a forum this stupid before. Do any of you read any books or anything? Or are books just as evil and dangerous as you claim homosexuality is for no other reason that because your "God" tells you. But the funny part is, ask most Biblical scholars and they'll tell you the majority of Christians are misinterpreting those scriptures.
No, you're the one that got yourself into this acting like you're smarter and better than everyone on here because you're gay. Just because some other fag told you that being gay is alright with god, it doesn't mean its true nor you can come in here and probably other places trying to say were all fucked up because noone here is gay.
Man, fags piss me off too much :sign_banhim:
Lol!! I'm atheist, so God doesn't exist to me, and I certainly don't seek the approval of things that don't exist, much less those that do exist. And I'm bisexual -- and please tell me where I posted anything say that I don't like people who are straight. My best friends are straight. I have ABSOLUTELY NO PROBLEM WITH PEOPLE BEING THEMSELVES... which is why I ask that you respect my life choices like I respect yours.
And please, "ban me"?! On what grounds - that I'm trying to act somewhat educated in a thred where illiterate posters can't manage to say too words without a "fag"... ::)
you muthafuckas kill me with that bi shit....you either lick balls or not.and you my friend is a ball licking fag,point blank.....make up your mind lady.
i been saying this for the longest of times... bi's are the worst, they carry the most s.t.i's, and they pass it on to our women ! dirty bastards.
but when your girl'd be bi you'd love it, wouldn't you? :loco:
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i'll grow the fuck up when you stop being a queer, faggot. i was just saying how poof's affect me.
i despise judgemental people like-wise, and i also despise queer ass faggots that are fucked in the head that put themselves above women.
There is truly nothing less pathetic than allowing others to control your emotions. And how am I putting myself above women?! I respect women, where are you getting all this from.
And how can you despise judgmental people if you yourself are judgemental?!
Wow, I've never joined a forum this stupid before. Do any of you read any books or anything? Or are books just as evil and dangerous as you claim homosexuality is for no other reason that because your "God" tells you. But the funny part is, ask most Biblical scholars and they'll tell you the majority of Christians are misinterpreting those scriptures.
No, you're the one that got yourself into this acting like you're smarter and better than everyone on here because you're gay. Just because some other fag told you that being gay is alright with god, it doesn't mean its true nor you can come in here and probably other places trying to say were all fucked up because noone here is gay.
Man, fags piss me off too much :sign_banhim:
Lol!! I'm atheist, so God doesn't exist to me, and I certainly don't seek the approval of things that don't exist, much less those that do exist. And I'm bisexual -- and please tell me where I posted anything say that I don't like people who are straight. My best friends are straight. I have ABSOLUTELY NO PROBLEM WITH PEOPLE BEING THEMSELVES... which is why I ask that you respect my life choices like I respect yours.
And please, "ban me"?! On what grounds - that I'm trying to act somewhat educated in a thred where illiterate posters can't manage to say too words without a "fag"... ::)
you muthafuckas kill me with that bi shit....you either lick balls or not.and you my friend is a ball licking fag,point blank.....make up your mind lady.
i been saying this for the longest of times... bi's are the worst, they carry the most s.t.i's, and they pass it on to our women ! dirty bastards.
but when your girl'd be bi you'd love it, wouldn't you? :loco:
well ofcourse... but a girl doesnt insert a penis into an ass-hole...
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MALE bisexuality does not exist, psychologists in the US have claimed.
A new study concludes that the large majority of men purporting to be bisexual are actually gay, while the rest are more likely to be heterosexual.
Senior author Michael Bailey, from Northwestern University in Chicago, said: "Bisexual male behaviour certainly exists, but the study suggests that a bisexual orientation, an actual sexual preference for both men and women, does not exist in men. If such men exist, they are certainly very rare and we didn't find them."
Researchers recruited 101 young adult men, 33 identifying themselves as bisexual, 30 straight and 38 homosexual.
They were questioned at length about their sexuality before being seated alone in a laboratory to watch erotic films while their arousal levels were monitored by a sensor.
Gay men were aroused by images of men, while heterosexual men were aroused by women. But psychologists said those claiming to be bisexual were only aroused by one or the other - 75per cent by men and the rest by women.
Dr Bailey said some men claim to be bisexual as it is easier than admitting to being gay, while others might consider it some kind of achievement and be proud to swing both ways.
Source (http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,15845492-13762,00.html)
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while others might consider it some kind of achievement and be proud to swing both ways.
damn poofs.
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i'll grow the fuck up when you stop being a queer, faggot. i was just saying how poof's affect me.
i despise judgemental people like-wise, and i also despise queer ass faggots that are fucked in the head that put themselves above women.
There is truly nothing less pathetic than allowing others to control your emotions. And how am I putting myself above women?! I respect women, where are you getting all this from.
And how can you despise judgmental people if you yourself are judgemental?!
Wow, I've never joined a forum this stupid before. Do any of you read any books or anything? Or are books just as evil and dangerous as you claim homosexuality is for no other reason that because your "God" tells you. But the funny part is, ask most Biblical scholars and they'll tell you the majority of Christians are misinterpreting those scriptures.
No, you're the one that got yourself into this acting like you're smarter and better than everyone on here because you're gay. Just because some other fag told you that being gay is alright with god, it doesn't mean its true nor you can come in here and probably other places trying to say were all fucked up because noone here is gay.
Man, fags piss me off too much :sign_banhim:
Lol!! I'm atheist, so God doesn't exist to me, and I certainly don't seek the approval of things that don't exist, much less those that do exist. And I'm bisexual -- and please tell me where I posted anything say that I don't like people who are straight. My best friends are straight. I have ABSOLUTELY NO PROBLEM WITH PEOPLE BEING THEMSELVES... which is why I ask that you respect my life choices like I respect yours.
And please, "ban me"?! On what grounds - that I'm trying to act somewhat educated in a thred where illiterate posters can't manage to say too words without a "fag"... ::)
you muthafuckas kill me with that bi shit....you either lick balls or not.and you my friend is a ball licking fag,point blank.....make up your mind lady.
i been saying this for the longest of times... bi's are the worst, they carry the most s.t.i's, and they pass it on to our women ! dirty bastards.
but when your girl'd be bi you'd love it, wouldn't you? :loco:
well ofcourse... but a girl doesnt insert a penis into an ass-hole...
true dat.
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true :o
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1.Bi-sexuality exists...In ones mind. Just like homosexuality exists...In ones mind. And just like heterosexuality exists...In ones mind.
2.I am pretty convinced that Indie Visual is an alias of some poster on WCC who doesn't wanna reveal himself as a bisexual. Don't know if ya'll care to check that out.
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^ lol nah... dont care really... but there are how many active posters ? theres goto be atleast a few closet homo's... hip-hop just isnt homo territory, go listen to trance or happy hard-core if you gay...
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LOL...We should have it checked anyways...I have a few names in mind who I think Psycreate should look into.
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LMAO you'd be like homer, on doomsday when they show on tv all the gay celebraties you'd be writing that shot down ;D
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LOL...We should have it checked anyways...I have a few names in mind who I think Psycreate should look into.
ahahaha
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My brother is gay and I would have to agree with you in some ways but disaggree with others. I beleive homosexuality is something you're born with and cannot be changed. He grew up in the same exact environment I did and I came out straight. My mom suffered from erratic hormonal imbalances when she was pregnant with him, and that possibly could have something to do with it, but if that were the case it wouldn't be a case of genes but rather a defect or abnormalty during fetal development. His environment had alot to do with it in terms of personality, so in that area you are correct. He became very flamboyant in high school due to the crowed he hung around with, they were very out and very flamboyant. In some cases at my highshool it was fashionable to be gay or bi, it's that martyr complex. I know my brother isn't like that because there were definite signs as early as elementary school or so my father says. It's hard to know exactly waht makes someone gay.
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How can it be natural? I mean, there is a penis and a vagina. It's meant to go inside the vagina and plant the sperm. THAT is natural. You can't fucking fertilize with two dicks, it's common sense.
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How can it be natural? I mean, there is a penis and a vagina. It's meant to go inside the vagina and plant the sperm. THAT is natural. You can't fucking fertilize with two dicks, it's common sense.
Not just the fact that they can't procreate. Ask any doctor. He'll tell you that an asshole isn't built for having a dick in it. The muscle tissue is too weak and it tears easily. Anyone who wants to say it's a natural act is a fucking idiot. Why else do you need all that lube, there's an increased chance of infection and disease, etc.
I got no problem with gays but come on, don't try to act like we're all idiots here.
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How can it b e natural? I mean, there is a penis and a vagina. It's meant to go inside the vagina and plant the sperm. THAT is natural. You can't fucking fertilize with two dicks, it's common sense.
It's natural for any population of species to have up to a 10% homosexual population.
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No, it's normal to see that, not natural.
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yeah no way is it natural, but at the same time it's not artificial... it's just queer.
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So who is Indie Visual? I think it's someone who used to post regularly on WCC but got banned...Not sayin' no names though.
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d-metro
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d-metro
He was one of the only dipset dudes that never said "no homo" if my memory is correct.
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^ hes the asian kid, i talk to him on aim like daily, really odd, but hes a cool kid...
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^ hes the asian kid, i talk to him on aim like daily, really odd, but hes a cool kid...
odd as in queer ?
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D-Metro wasn't as intelligent as Indie Visual, so no...There's someone else I had in mind.
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slickafella?
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slickafella?
How'd you guess?! It must be the posting style...
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It was just the first poster that popped up in my head. jesus christ that guy was a moron.
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i wonder who indie visual was? :laugh: