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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: M Dogg™ on December 20, 2004, 05:46:45 PM
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I have been here since day one, and there have been a few classics released, but the thing is that since this is a westcoast board, most compair each classic to the Chronic, and expect everything to be on that level. They say that can't be a classic because it needs time. Well, I guess you can call me an old timer. I do remember though back in early 1993 when Ain't Nuthin But A G Thang was all over the radio, and the CD was being called a classic at the early stages of it's release. Doggystyle was also considered a classic from day one. With all that said, I have lived though a few classic releases and you know they are classics the moment they are released. The Chronic, Doggystyle, Makaveli, Ready to Die, Illmatic, 2001 all of these were instead classics, hell between Biggies death and 2001, people were worried because there were no classic CDs being released, which was weird. So since 2000, since the younger folks lived through can remember rap music since then, what are some instead classics to you.
For me, especially listening to some CDs today and enjoying them as much as the day I bought them.
Jay-Z - Blueprint (production is just too good. I mean it's the best producted album since 2001.)
Nas - Stillmatic (what people are talking about now, Nas was saying shortly after 9/11 when people were flying flags. A classic pure hip-hop album)
Kanye West - The College Dropout (The best classic album since 2000 in my opinion. Production was almost as good as Blueprint, and lyrics, even though they were simple, just hit harder than any other album.)
Missing is Scarface - The Fix. I think it's a great album, 4.5 mics no question. But not classic. Close, but not quite there. The three up there are all classics. All of them were so good they changed hip-hop's face. Blueprint put the soul into hip-hop, and made sure Jay-Z would be known in hip-hop history. Stillmatic made it ok to be a hip-hop artist, with a real message and battle the mainstream. The College Dropout basically put conscience rap back into the mainstream. They changed the game, and proved to be classics. To you, what were classic albums since 2000.
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Ghostface Killah- The Pretty Toney Album
Last Emperor- Music, Magic, Myth
Almost classic:
Outkast- Stankonia
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There have been no classics since the year 2000.
The albums that are the closest to classics:
Ghostface Killah - Supreme Clientle
Eminem - The Marshal Mathers LP
Jay-Z - The Blueprint
Nas - Stillmatic
Scarface - The Fix
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Jay-Z - Blueprint (production is just too good. I mean it's the best producted album since 2001.)
Nas - Stillmatic (what people are talking about now, Nas was saying shortly after 9/11 when people were flying flags. A classic pure hip-hop album)
Kanye West - The College Dropout (The best classic album since 2000 in my opinion. Production was almost as good as Blueprint, and lyrics, even though they were simple, just hit harder than any other album.)
Missing is Scarface - The Fix. I think it's a great album, 4.5 mics no question. But not classic. Close, but not quite there. The three up there are all classics. All of them were so good they changed hip-hop's face. Blueprint put the soul into hip-hop, and made sure Jay-Z would be known in hip-hop history. Stillmatic made it ok to be a hip-hop artist, with a real message and battle the mainstream. The College Dropout basically put conscience rap back into the mainstream. They changed the game, and proved to be classics. To you, what were classic albums since 2000.
Jay-z and Scarface are pretty damn close...but they aint classics like Rass KassTP said above me..and Kanye's album is nowhere even close to Classic
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If The Fix isn't a classic than neither is College Dropout.
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since 2000, i dont think we have had a classic. There are some near classics tho
nas - stillmatic
jay-z - the bluepring
masta ace - disposable arts n a long hot summer
cormega - the realness n the true meaning
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Jay-Z - The Blueprint
That's the only album I consider classic since 2000.
These come damn close:
The Fix
The College Dropout
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i really believe if nas hadnt put matic on the end of "still", it would be compared to i am, and no one would be considering it a classic. why do i say this?
its not even better than lost tapes-if lost tapes isnt a classic, neither is stillmatic.
the best beat on the album is the intro.
braveheart party is one of the worst songs i have ever heard.
the album starts to fall off after 2nd childhood. if it wasnt for what goes around, i would stop listening to the album right there.
classics are timeless-i couldnt even listen to that album for 2 weeks. the only album with worse replay value was the black album.
classics are supposed to have impact.
supreme clientele isnt even better than ironman, and ironman isnt a classic either. people can say that sc birthed the blueprints production style, but im sure it wouldnt have been reproduced had it not been done for a rapper with a large mainstream audience.(if you notice albums like aziatic started showing up after the blueprint came out)
the fix isnt anywhere near classic...the diary is a classic
they felt since they gave jay 5 mics they had to do the same to nas and scarface
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Fuck all this "Source" whose a "classic "nerd wigger talk shit. My classics are MY choice, not because some bing-bing gave it 5 mics or because it has produced by Dr. Dre stamped all over it. You kids disgust me
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Sticky Fingaz - Black trash: the autobiography of Kirk Jones
and maybe Kanye West - The college dropout but I'm not sure about that one
and I dno but somehow I've always liked Xzibit's Restless :o
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I'd say Jay-Z's Blueprint and Eminem's Marshall Mathers LP are certainly classics. That's just my opinion though. Both were prime examples of how albums should be made and both created a mad buzz. And yes, The Real Slim Shady is a song for the pop chart. But do you remember another Hip-Hop song at the time that was such a huge world wide hit? I don't.
As for the other candidates...
Stillmatic? No, as it was said, the album falls off its flow towards the end. There are some classic songs on there though, like What Comes Around. Kanye's College Dropout? Maybe, I can't tell yet. We'll see how the album lasts in the years to come. Gotta say it's lookin good in my book though. Even though the whole LP doesn't turn out to be a classic in the long run, this too has some classic cuts on there, like Jesus Walks. Scarface? I can't speak on that, I never heard the whole thing. Never really got into Scarface. It's got some dope songs though. I Ain't The One is really good.
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The Marshall Mathers LP and the Eminem Show are the only classic album since the turn of the century.
All the other classics like the one mentioned in the origional post represent a epoch in hip-hop that has came and went.
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There's been no classic albums in any genre since 2000.
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Well I wouldnt consider it a classic but i think its easily on par with Stillmatic and College Dropout - Canibus-Rip The Jacker
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There's been no classic albums in any genre since 2000.
That's when you know you've become old - you tend to think that the new music today is nowhere near old music quality wise. Imagine what somebody who grew up on 50 Cent, Lil Jon and Kanye West will think when those artists are considered "old" music.
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The Marshall Mathers LP and the Eminem Show are the only classic album since the turn of the century.
All the other classics like the one mentioned in the origional post represent a epoch in hip-hop that has came and went.
The Chronic and Doggystyle represent an era that came and went with G-Funk, Run DMC represents an era that came and went, same with Rakim, and all them eras never lasted longer than 3 years. So what's your point. When you live through things you know are classic, like in my youth The Chronic, Doggystyle, Ready to Die, Illmatic, you can't denie these. I remember being young and people hating on them too. I remember people saying the Chronic can't be classic because it had too many skits and side B was falling off because of that and the only great song was Bitches Ain't Shit. I remember people dissing Ready to Die because it was wacked. I have never, ever seen an undisputed classic, but those that are widely seen as classic were seen as classic at the moment. All the ones I mentioned, they were classics and most people thought of them so the moment you heard it.
Blueprint, classic. I hated on the CD and I can't denie it. Production was the best since Chronic 2001, and the best eastcoast producted CD ever. Yeah I said, best producted eastcoast CD ever. And Jay-Z's lyrics proved he was one of the greatest ever. I don't think it can be denied.
Stillmatic, classic. The impact alone set the tone for the rest of the 3 years, as since then real hip-hop and conscience rap have been more acceptable in mainstream America. And what you mean between 2nd Childhood and What Goes Around it falls off. Destroy & Rebuild, classic battle track to the other QB rappers who used to be his friends, The Flyest was a cool song, Braveheart Party was taken off the CD, Rule was one of the best conscience songs out there, and was single ready if Nas would have chose to, and My Country is a perfect song to be before What Goes Around.
The College Dropout, classic. Kanye West producted a great CD, and made his sound mainstream. I can't think of a weak track because the production saves it all. I can listen to it from beginning to end without skipping a track, and the replay value is there. Also, The College Dropout made backpackers in hip-hop acceptable again, as The College Dropout shirt is warn by backpackers everywhere. To me, Kanye is setting himself up to be the next great producer after the one and only Dr. Dre and College Dropout is to him what Chronic was to Dre.
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Jedi Mind Tricks - Visions of Ghandi is pretty good imo (2003)
Mr Lif - I Phantom (2002)
Murs 3:16 the 9th Edition (2004)
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There's been no classic albums in any genre since 2000.
That's when you know you've become old - you tend to think that the new music today is nowhere near old music quality wise. Imagine what somebody who grew up on 50 Cent, Lil Jon and Kanye West will think when those artists are considered "old" music.
Lol, for real. I always feel like an old man, no matter what music genre I'm talking about.
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first off, stillmatic didnt make concious rap acceptable in the mainstream. concious rap was going strong until gangsta rap came along. theres no such thing as "real hiphop"...im not even going to speak on that elitist nonsense...what is this "impact" you keep speaking of? without ether that album would've came and went. the only thing people still talk about is the battle. how the hell is the intro going to have the best beat, and then you got about 4 other tracks with medicore production and the album still gets called a classic? nah...not at all
at least with blueprint i can see why people consider that a classic. every track was hot. there was not one bad beat on the entire album. it set a production trend. the album had good concepts...hell fab even used one of them...yeah, its probably jays weakest effort lyrically, but that hasnt stopped albums like livin proof or the chronic from being classic.
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Yeah I said, best producted eastcoast CD ever.
That's a bold statement, ever heard of Illmatic or Enter The Wu-Tang (36 Chambers)?
And what you mean between 2nd Childhood and What Goes Around it falls off. Destroy & Rebuild, classic battle track to the other QB rappers who used to be his friends, The Flyest was a cool song, Braveheart Party was taken off the CD, Rule was one of the best conscience songs out there, and was single ready if Nas would have chose to, and My Country is a perfect song to be before What Goes Around.
Add "Every Ghetto", an excellent way to end the album.
I can listen to it from beginning to end without skipping a track, and the replay value is there.
I didn't think I'd ever hear that. That's the problem with the album, there are too many skippers, mostly skits but it still fucks up the album a little.
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but that hasnt stopped albums like livin proof or the chronic from being classic.
It sure as hell stopped Livin' Proof from being classic, the MCing on that album is awful.
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Yeah I said, best producted eastcoast CD ever.
That's a bold statement, ever heard of Illmatic or Enter The Wu-Tang (36 Chambers)?
I said it, and I stand by it. I had those CDs in mind, but to be honest, going back to how I was thinking in 1993-4 and 2001, I liked Blueprint's production more than Illmatic or 36 Chambers. So yeah, it's a bold statement, it had to be said, and I said it.
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Marshall Mathers LP - Eminem
Blueprint - Jay Z
Stillmatic - Nas
Restless - Xzibit
Palace of the Pretender - The Last Emperor
Madvilliany - Madlib & MF Doom
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Jedi Mind Tricks - Visions of Ghandi is pretty good imo (2003)
no way, only the production in that album is good, at least canibus had a mix of both stoupes sick production and good lyrics
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"metaphoric metaphoars from mars" ?? lol..
whatever, I still liked visions of ghandi.
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Only one that comes to mind since 2000 is Stillmatic.
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this is kinda since 2000, it came out in Oct 1999... so like 2-3 months before 2000. but the only classic album in my opinion is Black on Both Sides by Mos Def. Every track is stand out solid from beginning to end. This cd represented a newcoming of hip hop classics since like the days of tribe called quest, gangstarr, and that era...(i remember even on a mos def gold plaque i had, it said "the new hip hop classics" on it)... i dont think you can doubt the artistic and createive value of every single track on there. he's able to flip the craziest verses on the most absurd topics too, that no other rapper would ever rap about... who the hell would ever rap about Water??? mos did it, and KILLED it. dude his flow on this cd is amazing, hes able to ride the beats so well.. tracks like mathetmatics with primo... ms fat booty, habitat, umi says,speed law, do it now, know that... the whole album sounds hella cohesive too like every single track belongs on there.. i believe that Black on both sides will definitely be looked back on as a classic in a feew years, maybe slept on, but illmatic was slept on as well... i put this cd in the ranks of low ened theory and gangstarr and shit.. easily one of my top 10 favorite cds. and it was great too when he came out, he was like at the forefront of a new hip hop movement.. and when you listen to this cd you can actually tell that mos def was like puttin in all his artistic efforts and creativity into it..
i define classic by being an album that you can listen to in ten years, fifteen years, twenty, for the rest of your life... and it'll sound just as fresh as it did now..
in my opinion, i dont know how stillmatic can be a classic. that cd is somewhat weak in my opinion. i can MAYBE listen to it twice and shut it off. i mean its good effort and all, and probably a little bit better than what else was coming out at the moment, but still doesnt give it an excuse to call it classic. there isnt even a single standout trackf ro me on this album.. i mean there were some pretty good songs like ether and shit, rewind, got urself a gun and shit, but man, in my opinion there isnt any replay value at all to it. even though i dont even listen to the album now, i definitely wouldnt' even bother listening to it five years from now either.
kanye west, it was a good album, but it will never be a classic. i dont see how it can be a classic with songs like Workout Plan and what not ( i like the track, but even im willing to admit that in no way will i be listening to it in a few years)... it was a lot better than everything else coming out, but still not a classic. it was good beats and all, but aint nothing too impressive with the rhymes.
i think we were all just let down with such a a decrease in quality of music, that we just started picking any cd that was somewhat good. i've been listening to rap since like 1992, 1993 so i've heard it all. and the only classic album in my opinion that was released in the past five years is Black on both sides.. his cd actually SOUNDS LIKE REAL MUSIC.. it doesn't sound like a rap album, even though it is.
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^^ I agree with what you're saying about Mos Def, but I think it's too early to call it a classic. However, that album is one of my faves from all genres.
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^^ I agree with what you're saying about Mos Def, but I think it's too early to call it a classic. However, that album is one of my faves from all genres.
5 years, I think is a good time to call it a classic. It's been 5 years.
See the thing is with hip-hop, a classic album is something that will never sound fresh 5-10 years from now. Listen to Run-DMC's old shit, listen to Paid in Full, Criminal Minded, Doggystyle, all of that. It all sounds dated because rap musics sound always changes to whatever is hot. Honestly, the only albums that are classics in terms of classic albums by normal standards are Illmatic, Makaveli and The Chronic. Doggystyle, Ready to Die, Blueprint, all of them, they are classic hip-hop records, but not classic music records. You guys are judging them as the same, but they are not. Hip-Hop is always changing, always fresh. In 3 years crunck will be dissed by most of the hip-hop world.
A hip-hop classic is an album that either defines of changes hip-hop. Criminal Minded defined street hip-hop, Paid in Full changed rhyming, Chronic changed hip-hop to G-Funk, Doggystyle defined G-Funk, Straight Outta Compton introduced gangsta rap, Makaveli defined the whole beef era of the mid-90's, Illmatic defined the New York comeback, Stillmatic reintroduced raw street hip-hop tp the mainstream, Blueprint defined the jiggy era in a way that's just hip-hop, Chronic 2001 changed rap production to sound better, and The College Dropout changed rap into a commerical meets conscience, or as Kanye says a backpacker with a Jag.
Now some parts of hip-hop don't have classics, 'cause hip-hop would rather forget they existed. Hammer or Vanilla Ice never produced a classic because they made hip-hop look bad. Crunk I doubt will produce a classic album, just like Miami booty shaking never produced a classic. The dance era of Marky Mark and C&C Music Factory has no classics to call it's own, like the Bling Bling era of Cash Money, No Limit from the south, Bad Boy to the east and a lost coast on the west. But for the eras that hip-hop prides it's self on, classics will be produced.
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my list of classics is as follows....i dont expect people to agree with me but these are albums i feel are classics to me...so whatever
Sticky Fingaz - Blacktrash: The Autobiography Of Kirk Jones
Jay-Z - The Black Album
Little Brother - The Listening
Nas - Stillmatic
Nas - The Lost Tapes (even though the recordings were from before)
TQ - The Second Coming
Albums That Come Close
Wyclef Jean - Preachers Son
Jay-Z - The Blueprint
Kanye West - College Dropout
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There's been no classic albums in any genre since 2000.
thats a bold statement imo... but then again depends on how u define a classic album
i think if the album can still bump today then ill call it a classic... the whole album tho not just for a couple of songs .. my classics since 2000..
N.E.R.D. - In Search Of & Fly Or Die (both these albums have never stopped playin in my stereo)
Justin Timberlake - Justified (this album still bumps, hey its pop but it still goes off, 4 number 1 singles aint bad either)
Musiq - Juslisen (one of the best neosoul albums to drop)
Linkin Park - Meteora (still lovin this album)
Eminems albums (all of em can still be bumped, even tho some of it gets overplayed)
Jay-Z - Blueprint n Black Album (production is dope on both)
Kanye - College Dropout (still a great album)
Obie Trice - Cheers (hey yall might not like it but throw this lp on at a party it goes off)
Usher - 8701 (great rnb album start to finish)
Alicia Keys - Diary Of Alicia Keys
yall prob dont agree with half of em.. but like i said its wat i can still bump today... n dont star the neptunes dickrider comments.. i like neptunes they dope but just cos i like em doesnt mean i dont listen to other styles of music n doesnt mean my opinion is tainted
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Devin the dude - to tha x-treme
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The only album I could listen from top to bottom for a year and still listening is Ja rule - blood in my eye.... never listened to ja rules albums that much maybe its cuz of fatal blackchild and so on but I will never know...... maybe cuz I never gave him a chance cuz every1 saying his shit and that him being a bitch but now I know he aint a fake.... Call it a mixtape but you cant call an album mixtape cuz it didnt have commercial songs... The second is nas - streets disciple its a double disc but almost all of the songs i can enjoy without thinking of "skip" ...the album is just dope shit.. 8) 8) 8)
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Cormega - The Realness: 14 incredible songs with dope beats and street smart, deep lyrics.