West Coast Connection Forum
DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: TraceOneInfinite Flat Earther 96' on June 05, 2009, 10:46:22 PM
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This should be a good debate. I think Xzibit's name should be mentioned along with the greatest hip-hop artists of all time. Here's why...
-3 Superior Albums: His first 3 were all near classics, and superior to albums compared to most of what was out there. He was hott during some of the most competitive years in hip-hop, and I think he still managed to stand out as one of the greatest.
-Commercial, underground, backpackers... all gave respect to Xzibit. How many rappers can claim that?
-Was on fire from 99 thru 2001. He dropped nothing but bangers for 2 years straight. He helped revive Dre's carear with his work on "What's the Difference" and "LA Niggaz". Compare "What's the Difference" to the old Hittman version and you can see just how much he really brought that track to life.
-He helped resurrect the West Coast in the Up In Smoke Era. "Year 2000" created a huge buzz for his albums, along with classic guest appearances on Dre, Snoop, and Eminem's albums. This dude held down the West from 96-2002
Xzibit's bangers:
1. "What's The Difference"
2. "Bitch Please 1"
3. "Bitch Please 2"
4. "Papparazzi"
5. "At The Speed of Life"
6. "The Foundation"
7. "Year 2,000"
8. "Focus"
9. "Best Of Things"
10. "Get Your Walk On"
and so many more... "Say My Name", "Symphony in X Minor", "X"... too many to name
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If you consider only up to and including Restless then yes. But his newer stuff (last 2 albums) were pretty awful IMO. Also the whole Pimp My Ride thing was pretty weak.
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If you consider only up to and including Restless then yes. But his newer stuff (last 2 albums) were pretty awful IMO. Also the whole Pimp My Ride thing was pretty weak.
Co-sign
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Considering his disco, yes. Not a single weak album imo. WOMD is a personal classic.
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I'd say West Coast Legend no doubt (Up there when you name Snoop, Game, Cube, E-40, DJ Quik, Dogg Pound etc). For him to be considered to be one of THE greatest Period, I think he needs another 2-3 albums that are really strong from start to finish...
It is possible for a quality MC like him! Hes working on something new right?
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I think his body work ain't perfect (1 classic and 2 near classics), but he's definitely one of the greatest ever to touch a mic. Great lyricist, nice flow and incredible flow. He is the westcoast Method Man, definitely a Westcoast legend and only time will tell if he'll be considered one of the greatests ever. As of now, he is not, but he's definitely got more talent than most.
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voted: Yes, he should
But hey, that's just how i feel.
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West Coast great - yes
A great rapper of his era - yes
One of the greatest of all-time - hell no. In 25 years of hip-hop history, Xzibit doesn't stand out as a legend.
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I would say from 1999-2004, he was the best in the west, giving him westcoast legend status. All Time Great... I'm on the fence. Not yet, I have a hard time putting Jay-Z on that list, and Jay and X are from the same era.
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voted: Yes, he should
But hey, that's just how i feel.
me 2 and i love pimp my ride (maybe cause im a car freak) i think he was funny as fuck in pmr
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All time
Tupac (For All Eyez on Me/Makaveli/Me Against The World)
Biggie (For Ready to Die/Life after death)
Eminem (The Marshall Mathers LP)
Nas (Illmatic)
N.W.A (Straight Outta Compton)
Cypress Hill (Cypress Hill/Black Sunday/III Temples of Boom)
Dr. Dre (The Chronic/2001)
Snoop Dogg (Doggystyle)
As for Xzibit...well West Coast Legend For sure, but he still needs to create that 1 album, everyone will talk about years to come (like the 1s mentioned above).
Also, yes I know I forgot some greats, but I just wanted to make a point. They all have Albums that have topped the charts, been critical acclaimed, have caused a major controversy, and broken records, high selling, and have been able to affect not only the rap world for ever, but have managed to change the World Forever, and will be able to last the test of time.
Until Xzibit can make a ablum like that (that has at least 5 of the 8 reasons I mentioned above), He's not a legend, hes still a great, and a legend for the west, but he won't be one of the Legends to be remembered for all time until he hits that perfect album.
Do I believe he can be? Oh yeah, he just needs to create that 1 perfect album. His magnum opus.
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HELL YEAH! 8)
could be the most consistent rapper around still; he has NEVER disappointed me with an album & just continues to make GREAT music.
X is definatly one of the best to do it. 8)
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All time
Tupac (For All Eyez on Me/Makaveli/Me Against The World)
Biggie (For Ready to Die/Life after death)
Eminem (The Marshall Mathers LP)
Nas (Illmatic)
N.W.A (Straight Outta Compton)
Cypress Hill (Cypress Hill/Black Sunday/III Temples of Boom)
Dr. Dre (The Chronic/2001)
Snoop Dogg (Doggystyle)
As for Xzibit...well West Coast Legend For sure, but he still needs to create that 1 album, everyone will talk about years to come (like the 1s mentioned above).
Also, yes I know I forgot some greats, but I just wanted to make a point. They all have Albums that have topped the charts, been critical acclaimed, have caused a major controversy, and broken records, high selling, and have been able to affect not only the rap world for ever, but have managed to change the World Forever, and will be able to last the test of time.
Until Xzibit can make a ablum like that (that has at least 5 of the 8 reasons I mentioned above), He's not a legend, hes still a great, and a legend for the west, but he won't be one of the Legends to be remembered for all time until he hits that perfect album.
Do I believe he can be? Oh yeah, he just needs to create that 1 perfect album. His magnum opus.
what about restless?
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he def. is a legend. Really left his mark in the industry.
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west coast legend no doubt
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If you consider only up to and including Restless then yes. But his newer stuff (last 2 albums) were pretty awful IMO. Also the whole Pimp My Ride thing was pretty weak.
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not at all
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He's a great artist and has put out some excellent albums but in terms of making a major influential album, I don't think it's happened. One of the greats of his time? No doubt but the verdict is still out on his "all-time" status. I'd say he's in that Jadakiss category where's he a phenominal MC but I don't think he ever quite changed the game the way someone like Eminem or Biggie or the like did. He hasn't that defining moment. It's not an album quality issue because I think his first two albums are everything you could ask them to be and more and "Restless" is on some next level shit.
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1 thing I'll say about Xzibit was he really don't get the props he deserves in West Coast circles. I mean people talk about Game being the one who single-handedly brought the West back but I think Game had shit at his disposal for his first studio album that Xzibit didn't get until "Restless". Xzibit dropped two classic hip-hop records without heavy guest spots and big A-list producers. If you listen to 'Speed Of Life" and "40 Days, 40 Nights", it's Xzibit's flow and lyrics that carry those records. By "Restless", he had that Aftermath/DPG camp involvement as well as other big guests. Game came out the gate with a single produced by Dre and featuring 50. That's the one thing with Game and his quick rise, the majority of people look at Aftermath as the start of his career. I think his Get Low stuff is very rarely regarded when analyzing his career. It's kind of a blessing and a curse in his case because I think when you come out under that umbrella, it's always hard to establish what part of it is you and what part is the team you surround yourself with. What do y'all think?
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HELL YEAH! 8)
could be the most consistent rapper around still; he has NEVER disappointed me with an album & just continues to make GREAT music.
X is definatly one of the best to do it. 8)
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1 thing I'll say about Xzibit was he really don't get the props he deserves in West Coast circles. I mean people talk about Game being the one who single-handedly brought the West back but I think Game had shit at his disposal for his first studio album that Xzibit didn't get until "Restless". Xzibit dropped two classic hip-hop records without heavy guest spots and big A-list producers. If you listen to 'Speed Of Life" and "40 Days, 40 Nights", it's Xzibit's flow and lyrics that carry those records. By "Restless", he had that Aftermath/DPG camp involvement as well as other big guests. Game came out the gate with a single produced by Dre and featuring 50. That's the one thing with Game and his quick rise, the majority of people look at Aftermath as the start of his career. I think his Get Low stuff is very rarely regarded when analyzing his career. It's kind of a blessing and a curse in his case because I think when you come out under that umbrella, it's always hard to establish what part of it is you and what part is the team you surround yourself with. What do y'all think?
Game's work on Get Low is not recognized by design. He made it that way. JT The Bigga Figga did not though and capitalized on each and every time Game had a album or mixtape or single out to push the material he had on him.
Xzibit- One of the illest. I really don't know why people tie Pimp My Ride in with his music, the shit don't go together. I think like many artists before and after him, him being involved in movies and TV, the music was not as prevalent or dropping as often. I think on the underground scene on the west coast, Xzibit has done the damn thing. He was really one of the first artists out here to transcend the underground scene and fuse it with the gangsta rap scene and create a insane album like Restless. That album is just a DOPE west coast album that so many people across the board can enjoy.
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I think X has been a good if not a great MC but let's stop throwing the "Legend" or "All-Time Great" title around so easily...A lot of things have to fall in place for someone to be a legend at anything and I just don't think X qualifies. X was already a dope MC before hooking up with Dre and Snoop but somehow, it still seems that he did not take advantage of the situation despite some dope records..It may not be his fault but something is missing for me to call him an All Time Great. It seems like once he fell out with Snoop, he did not get to build on the legacy he was building with DPG or even Dre. X is a dope MC and is recognized but not a legend or anything to me.