West Coast Connection Forum
Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: Bay Area Jat on July 15, 2007, 09:50:06 PM
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is anyone watchin this on espn? i love the way espn puts this award show together they have a lot of good award categories recognizing both individual and team accomplishments.
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If Lebron wins the best male athlete award I will never watch this shit again.
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^^^ who do you think is more deserving of the best male athlete award?
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If Lebron wins the best male athlete award I will never watch this shit again.
He won best NBA player or some shit didn't he?
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i stopped watchin it at 10 and switced to entourage. im sure its gonna be on again tomorrow
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Fuck BSPN.
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Don't be mad because they don't have a "Most Hurtful to Team" or Most Selfish Team Sport Player" award NIK. If they had things like that, you'd be all over the ESPY's because then Kobe could finally bring home some hardware.
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I think NIK just got butthurt cuz Jimmy Kimmel was lettin Kobe have it. He said Kobe DID show up on the red carpet, but then asked to be traded to another award show haha.
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LOL@nutriders... I didn't even watch this garbage, doucherags.
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^^^ who do you think is more deserving of the best male athlete award?
LT, Peyton Manning. LT broke a great record and Peyton finally won the ship. Lebron didn't do shit, ok he got his team to the finals. But should I remind you that he got in because of the EAST!! Trust me bro, he's a great athlete but he still hasn't done enough to win this award. Did he win it by the way?
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^^real talk
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LeBron=most overrated player in NBA history. Yes, more overrated than Wade himself...
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LT won 4 awards
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LeBron=most overrated player in NBA history. Yes, more overrated than Wade himself...
lol
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LeBron=most overrated player in NBA history. Yes, more overrated than Wade himself...
lol
How is this funny? Even NBA analysts who ride his dick can agree with this.
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Get off his dick, he's been in the league what 3-4 years? Already lead a team of underachievers into the finals, true they didn't win a game, but most overrated ever... ::)
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espy breakdown
Best male Athlete=LT
Best NFL Player= LT
Best Record Breaking Performance=LT
Like Nothing Else=LT
Best NBA Player= Lebron James
Best Male Tennis Player=Roger Federer
Best Championship Performance= Peyton Manning
Best Golfer= Tiger Woods
Best Team=Colts
Best Coach/Manager=Tony DUngy
Best Female Athlete=Taryne Mowatt
Best Female College Athlete=Taryne Mowatt
Best Game= Boise St. VS Oklahoma
Best play= Boise St. Statue of Liberty Play
Best Moment=New Orleans Saints Return to the Superdome
Best Finish=Dodgers comeback against the Padres
The inaugural Jimmy V ESPY for Perseverance=Kay Yow
The Arthur Ashe Courage award=Trevor Ringland and Dave Cullen
Best Upset=Golden State VS Dallas
Best Breakthrough Performance=Devin Hester
BEst Sports Movie= Talledega Nights the Ballad of Ricky Bobby
best baseball Player=Derek Jeter
Best WNBA Player= Lisa Leslie
Best NHL player=Sidney Crosby
Best Fighter=Floyd Mayweather
Best Driver=Jeff Gordon
Best Female Tennis Player=Maria Sharapova
Best male College Athlete=Kevin Durant
Best MLS Athlete= Landon Donovan
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Get off his dick, he's been in the league what 3-4 years? Already lead a team of underachievers into the finals, true they didn't win a game, but most overrated ever... ::)
He walks into the Finals and everyone rides his dick for it, some even claiming he's the 2nd coming of Jordan...Making that Finals is part of the reason he's so damn overrated. Now get off MY dick...
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LeBron=most overrated player in NBA history. Yes, more overrated than Wade himself...
lol
How is this funny? Even NBA analysts who ride his dick can agree with this.
proove it then.
After his performance in the playoffs you can not say he's overrated. sure he lost in the finals. but he fought his way to there as a leader.
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LeBron=most overrated player in NBA history. Yes, more overrated than Wade himself...
lol
How is this funny? Even NBA analysts who ride his dick can agree with this.
proove it then.
After his performance in the playoffs you can not say he's overrated. sure he lost in the finals. but he fought his way to there as a leader.
Very true, he didn't walk to the finals by any means, they beat NJ & Detroit.
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LeBron=most overrated player in NBA history. Yes, more overrated than Wade himself...
lol
How is this funny? Even NBA analysts who ride his dick can agree with this.
proove it then.
After his performance in the playoffs you can not say he's overrated. sure he lost in the finals. but he fought his way to there as a leader.
His performance in the playoffs? LMAO. He had ONE good game, where there was NO DEFENSE on him whatsoever, and he was considered a choke in many of the others...And as expected, dude disappeared in the finals when some defense was actually played against him. LMAO@saying James is not overrated because of his play in the playoffs...
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LeBron=most overrated player in NBA history. Yes, more overrated than Wade himself...
lol
How is this funny? Even NBA analysts who ride his dick can agree with this.
proove it then.
After his performance in the playoffs you can not say he's overrated. sure he lost in the finals. but he fought his way to there as a leader.
Very true, he didn't walk to the finals by any means, they beat NJ & Detroit.
Yea, two very shitty playoff teams, obviously...
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espy breakdown ACCORDING to NIK
Best male Athlete=Kobe Bryant
Best NFL Player= don't watch it, but if Kobe Played ....Kobe Bryant
Best Record Breaking Performance=Kobe's scoring Run
Like Nothing Else=Kobe Bryant
Best NBA Player= Kobe Bryant
Best Male Tennis Player=Kobe Bryant, he's got a mean ass back hand
Best Championship Performance= Kobe Bryant
Best Golfer= Kobe Bryant, i watch him at the country club all the time
Best Team=The Lakers
Best Coach/Manager= Phil Jackson
Best Female Athlete= Shaquille O'neal
Best Female College Athlete= ----Kobe's sister, LaQuania
Best Game= Kobe Vs Spurs in the regular season, that prooved that if the lakers would have beaten the suns they would have beaten the spurs and won the championship....just one rebound away!
Best play= Kobe Dunks
Best Moment= Kobe's wins againt elite teams early in the season
Best Finish= End of game 3 Kobe's Vs Suns
The inaugural Jimmy V ESPY for Perseverance= Kobe for taking a team full of CBA players to the playoffs
The Arthur Ashe Courage award= Kobe for asking to be traded, go kobe!
Best Upset= the suns beating the lakers....biggest upset in HISTORY
Best Breakthrough Performance= Jordan Farmar
BEst Sports Movie= The Kobe Video
best baseball Player= Kobe, plays center field at the park
Best WNBA Player= Shaq
Best NHL player= Kobe, he moonlights for the Kings@ staples when the lakers arn't playing
Best Fighter= Kobe...killed chris childs
Best Driver= Kobe.....he's mean in that porche on the 405
Best Female Vanessa Bryant
Best male College Athlete= Javaris Crittenton
Best MLS Athlete= Coby Jones.....he plays in LA AND his name is jut like KOBE'S!!
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LeBron=most overrated player in NBA history. Yes, more overrated than Wade himself...
lol
How is this funny? Even NBA analysts who ride his dick can agree with this.
proove it then.
After his performance in the playoffs you can not say he's overrated. sure he lost in the finals. but he fought his way to there as a leader.
Very true, he didn't walk to the finals by any means, they beat NJ & Detroit.
Yea, two very shitty playoff teams, obviously...
his performance in the play offs wasn't half as bad as kobe's in the last 3/4 years
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LeBron=most overrated player in NBA history. Yes, more overrated than Wade himself...
lol
How is this funny? Even NBA analysts who ride his dick can agree with this.
proove it then.
After his performance in the playoffs you can not say he's overrated. sure he lost in the finals. but he fought his way to there as a leader.
Very true, he didn't walk to the finals by any means, they beat NJ & Detroit.
Yea, two very shitty playoff teams, obviously...
lol at detroit being a shitty team
strike TWO!
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LeBron=most overrated player in NBA history. Yes, more overrated than Wade himself...
lol
How is this funny? Even NBA analysts who ride his dick can agree with this.
proove it then.
After his performance in the playoffs you can not say he's overrated. sure he lost in the finals. but he fought his way to there as a leader.
Very true, he didn't walk to the finals by any means, they beat NJ & Detroit.
Yea, two very shitty playoff teams, obviously...
LOL with all your cursing in every post, u get so mad, and you'll say anything to discredit Lebron. I guess because you know eventually ( very soon ) he's gonna take Kobe's place as the best player in the league. Now go ahead and slam on your keyboard hard as you can to tell me how overrated Lebron is. His team was not good, he LED them to the finals. LOL at you calling these teams shitty, I'd love to see you out there.
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espy breakdown ACCORDING to NIK
Best male Athlete=Kobe Bryant
Best NFL Player= don't watch it, but if Kobe Played ....Kobe Bryant
Best Record Breaking Performance=Kobe's scoring Run
Like Nothing Else=Kobe Bryant
Best NBA Player= Kobe Bryant
Best Male Tennis Player=Kobe Bryant, he's got a mean ass back hand
Best Championship Performance= Kobe Bryant
Best Golfer= Kobe Bryant, i watch him at the country club all the time
Best Team=The Lakers
Best Coach/Manager= Phil Jackson
Best Female Athlete= Shaquille O'neal
Best Female College Athlete= ----Kobe's sister, LaQuania
Best Game= Kobe Vs Spurs in the regular season, that prooved that if the lakers would have beaten the suns they would have beaten the spurs and won the championship....just one rebound away!
Best play= Kobe Dunks
Best Moment= Kobe's wins againt elite teams early in the season
Best Finish= End of game 3 Kobe's Vs Suns
The inaugural Jimmy V ESPY for Perseverance= Kobe for taking a team full of CBA players to the playoffs
The Arthur Ashe Courage award= Kobe for asking to be traded, go kobe!
Best Upset= the suns beating the lakers....biggest upset in HISTORY
Best Breakthrough Performance= Jordan Farmar
BEst Sports Movie= The Kobe Video
best baseball Player= Kobe, plays center field at the park
Best WNBA Player= Shaq
Best NHL player= Kobe, he moonlights for the Kings@ staples when the lakers arn't playing
Best Fighter= Kobe...killed chris childs
Best Driver= Kobe.....he's mean in that porche on the 405
Best Female Vanessa Bryant
Best male College Athlete= Javaris Crittenton
Best MLS Athlete= Coby Jones.....he plays in LA AND his name is jut like KOBE'S!!
LOL. I'm not gonna lie, that was pretty fuckin funny hahaha
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An Island of Reason in the Ocean of LeBron Love (http://theassociation.blogs.com/the_association/2007/06/a_voice_of_reas.html)
By Craig Kwasniewski
Still weeks away from the start of the NBA Finals and the "LeBron is GOD!!!" media blowjob bandwagon has now reached convoy proportions. I've read and heard stories about LeBron dominating the NBA for the next decade, LeBron surpassing Kobe as the best player in the NBA, LeBron dominating the NBA marketing machine and LeBron curing SARS, the Bird Flu and the West Nile Virus (and all other Fox News fear mongering diseases).
This is what happens when you have something like 27 days between the conference finals and the The Finals. With the Spurs (a bunch of flopping, nice guys who all get along) facing Cleveland (a crappy roster led by a top-five baller who got a first and second round bye in the playoffs) there's really nothing much to write about. So instead of waxing poetic about the flop-off between Anderson Varejao and Manu Gynobili, the media's left scrambling for any kind of storyline. Basically we're left with non-stop overblown LeBron James hyperbole. (Remember how people were saying Manu Gynobili was one of the best players in the NBA after having a few good games in the 2005 NBA Finals? Well, it's the same thing, but magnified because We're All Witnesses.)
Here's some of my thoughts about all the hype:
Game Five was *NOT* the Greatest Game Ever! Before all the LBJ fans start calling me a hater, LeBron's performance in Game 5 was awesome. As I wrote a few days ago, "This was one of those games that takes the quotes out of the word "superstar" separating the great from the anointed/promoted greats."
But how great of a game is it if the opposing team plays ZERO defense? Here's the top three problems (of many) that I saw in Detroit's "defensive scheme":
1. The Pistons didn't double LeBron as he dribbled the ball up court. When Kobe was dropping 50 points a game, opposing defenses started triple teaming him has he crossed the halfcourt line, daring Kobe to pass the ball to wide open teammates. Detroit needed to do something similar, especially with LeBron's court vision and un-Kobe-like trust in his teammates.
2. The Pistons were horrible on their defensive switches. How else can you explain Jason Maxiell guarding LeBron from the top of the key with less that two minutes left and no help defense? (I'm talking to you Mr. Big Shot!)
3. Finally, the Pistons forgot how to close off the lane when LeBron penetrated. In fact, the artist formerly known as Tayshaun Prince literally sprinted out of the way as LeBron drove the lane. You're telling me that Prince was more concerned with being YouTube-ized than to make a key defensive stop in the most important game of the Eastern Conference Finals?
Well Tayshaun, you still ended up on YouTube. Here's the Top Five Plays from Game 5. Three of them show LeBron penetrating the lane for uncontested dunks. The fourth play shows Prince sprinting out the lane as though LeBron's carrying a bomb. Possibly the worst defensive moment in Prince's career:
http://www.youtube.com/v/rZkt6yu5vag
That three pointer to tie the game (play #2) was flat out sick! But with three of the top five plays happening against ZERO defense, how is this game one of the greatest games in playoff history? MJ, Wade, Kobe, Iverson, Magic, Bird, etc. can also have one of the greatest games in playoff history against zero defense. Let's give LeBron his moment, but let's not get carried away with what Game 5 was... the best single effort in one of the least compelling post seasons in NBA history.
The LeBron IV's are not flying off the shelves. Despite the fact that We're All Witnesses, we're *NOT* witnessing the LeBron IV's on our feet. I don't have the sale figures in front of me, but I do know what I see. I've been to the Nike outlet store in Camarillo twice in the past 6 weeks and both times I've seen the LeBron IV's in all sizes selling for less than $90 (they retail for $149.99). In fact, you can get a pair for $119.99 at eastbay.com.
Stop the whole LeBron-Kobe comparisons! The local media out here in LA has been arguing that LeBron is better than Kobe because he took a less talented team to the NBA Finals. Hogwash I say! Seriously, this argument is giving me a headache. First off, the Cavs truly got a first round bye when they faced the Wizards without their two best players in Gil-Zero and Caron Butler. Whereas the Lakers faced off against Phoenix, one of the top three teams this year.
LeBron could have had 35-8-8 every game against Phoenix and the Cavs would still lose in five.
Let's look at the staring five of both teams. The Lakers started Jordan Farmar (a rookie), Luke Walton (with genetically damaged ankles, he's Bill Walton's son for crissake), Lamar Odom (torn shoulder, injured knee, league rule prevents him from hitting the bong) and Kwame Brown (as my friend Matt says, "Has ass-cheeks for hands")... you're telling me that LeBron would do better with those four? The Cavs start Sasha Pavlovic, Larry Hughes, Drew Gooden and Ilgauskas (two-time NBA All-Star!!!)... possibly one of the worst starting five for the Finals, but still better than the Lakers.
Both players are great, but given that there's a high number of Kobe Bryant detractors, there will always be a huge support of the whole "(insert hot NBA star player here) is better than Kobe Bryant" talk. You had it last year with Wade and you'll hear it again with someone else.
What I'm saying is, this lame sportstalk radio topic simply exists because we have way too much time to kill before the NBA Finals start (which I believe is 4th of July weekend). Stick to more important topics, like Lindsay Lohan's spiraling career or Britney Spears' cottage cheese ass.
Until then, check out another photo of the Pistons *NOT* guarding the lane:
(http://theassociation.blogs.com/the_association/images/2007/06/06/fulljgetty74165832nd004_cavs_pist_3.jpg)
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LeBron=most overrated player in NBA history. Yes, more overrated than Wade himself...
lol
How is this funny? Even NBA analysts who ride his dick can agree with this.
proove it then.
After his performance in the playoffs you can not say he's overrated. sure he lost in the finals. but he fought his way to there as a leader.
Very true, he didn't walk to the finals by any means, they beat NJ & Detroit.
Yea, two very shitty playoff teams, obviously...
lol at detroit being a shitty team
strike TWO!
LOL@Jake acting like he watches basketball. Detroit has been a TERRIBLE playoff team under Flip Saunders...
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LeBron=most overrated player in NBA history. Yes, more overrated than Wade himself...
lol
How is this funny? Even NBA analysts who ride his dick can agree with this.
proove it then.
After his performance in the playoffs you can not say he's overrated. sure he lost in the finals. but he fought his way to there as a leader.
Very true, he didn't walk to the finals by any means, they beat NJ & Detroit.
Yea, two very shitty playoff teams, obviously...
his performance in the play offs wasn't half as bad as kobe's in the last 3/4 years
Kobe's performance in the last couple years has been MVP worthy...LeBron subsided this season, he didn't even make All-NBA first team. :-X
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espy breakdown ACCORDING to NIK
Best male Athlete=Kobe Bryant
Best NFL Player= don't watch it, but if Kobe Played ....Kobe Bryant
Best Record Breaking Performance=Kobe's scoring Run
Like Nothing Else=Kobe Bryant
Best NBA Player= Kobe Bryant
Best Male Tennis Player=Kobe Bryant, he's got a mean ass back hand
Best Championship Performance= Kobe Bryant
Best Golfer= Kobe Bryant, i watch him at the country club all the time
Best Team=The Lakers
Best Coach/Manager= Phil Jackson
Best Female Athlete= Shaquille O'neal
Best Female College Athlete= ----Kobe's sister, LaQuania
Best Game= Kobe Vs Spurs in the regular season, that prooved that if the lakers would have beaten the suns they would have beaten the spurs and won the championship....just one rebound away!
Best play= Kobe Dunks
Best Moment= Kobe's wins againt elite teams early in the season
Best Finish= End of game 3 Kobe's Vs Suns
The inaugural Jimmy V ESPY for Perseverance= Kobe for taking a team full of CBA players to the playoffs
The Arthur Ashe Courage award= Kobe for asking to be traded, go kobe!
Best Upset= the suns beating the lakers....biggest upset in HISTORY
Best Breakthrough Performance= Jordan Farmar
BEst Sports Movie= The Kobe Video
best baseball Player= Kobe, plays center field at the park
Best WNBA Player= Shaq
Best NHL player= Kobe, he moonlights for the Kings@ staples when the lakers arn't playing
Best Fighter= Kobe...killed chris childs
Best Driver= Kobe.....he's mean in that porche on the 405
Best Female Vanessa Bryant
Best male College Athlete= Javaris Crittenton
Best MLS Athlete= Coby Jones.....he plays in LA AND his name is jut like KOBE'S!!
LOL...Nothing like the humor of a Shaq groupie/Kobe hater.
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does anyone want to talk about the espy's?
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+1 to don jacob for that awesome recap of the espy's
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does anyone want to talk about the espy's?
^^You really think people give a shit about it enough to last 2 pages of discussion? LOL.
Who thinks LeBron is NOT overrated?
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LeBron=most overrated player in NBA history. Yes, more overrated than Wade himself...
lol
How is this funny? Even NBA analysts who ride his dick can agree with this.
proove it then.
After his performance in the playoffs you can not say he's overrated. sure he lost in the finals. but he fought his way to there as a leader.
Very true, he didn't walk to the finals by any means, they beat NJ & Detroit.
Yea, two very shitty playoff teams, obviously...
his performance in the play offs wasn't half as bad as kobe's in the last 3/4 years
Kobe's performance in the last couple years has been MVP worthy...LeBron subsided this season, he didn't even make All-NBA first team. :-X
In the playoffs? An established champion not even being able to lead his team past the 1st round MVP worthy? Did I read that wrong?
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LeBron=most overrated player in NBA history. Yes, more overrated than Wade himself...
lol
How is this funny? Even NBA analysts who ride his dick can agree with this.
proove it then.
After his performance in the playoffs you can not say he's overrated. sure he lost in the finals. but he fought his way to there as a leader.
Very true, he didn't walk to the finals by any means, they beat NJ & Detroit.
Yea, two very shitty playoff teams, obviously...
his performance in the play offs wasn't half as bad as kobe's in the last 3/4 years
Kobe's performance in the last couple years has been MVP worthy...LeBron subsided this season, he didn't even make All-NBA first team. :-X
In the playoffs? An established champion not even being able to lead his team past the 1st round MVP worthy? Did I read that wrong?
You mean Dirk Nowitzki...?
Nowitzki>LeBron
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Kobe isnt half the LEADER that lebron is
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nor is he half the teammate that lebron is. after all kobe snitched on shaq would lbj ever do that. i dont think so
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LeBron=most overrated player in NBA history. Yes, more overrated than Wade himself...
lol
How is this funny? Even NBA analysts who ride his dick can agree with this.
proove it then.
After his performance in the playoffs you can not say he's overrated. sure he lost in the finals. but he fought his way to there as a leader.
Very true, he didn't walk to the finals by any means, they beat NJ & Detroit.
Yea, two very shitty playoff teams, obviously...
his performance in the play offs wasn't half as bad as kobe's in the last 3/4 years
Kobe's performance in the last couple years has been MVP worthy...LeBron subsided this season, he didn't even make All-NBA first team. :-X
In the playoffs? An established champion not even being able to lead his team past the 1st round MVP worthy? Did I read that wrong?
You mean Dirk Nowitzki...?
Nowitzki>LeBron
Who said anything about Dirk? LeBron>Dirk, LBJ would shit on Dirk in a 1 on 1. You claimed that Kobe playoff performance the last 3-4 years has been MVP like? ROFLMAO !!!! What is he gonna do, win MVP of the 1st round? Jeez, I'm pretty sure they don't have that award.
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if they had an mvp for the 1st round bd would have gotten it last year
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if they had an mvp for the 1st round bd would have gotten it last year
Damn that's cold, u can't give it to Kobe? ;D
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^^weren't bone thugs supposed to be dead by 1999?
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Kobe isnt half the LEADER that lebron is
LeBron is not a leader, he's like a role player...he never steps up when his team needs him. Kobe, on the other hand, carries his teams load on his back.
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LeBron=most overrated player in NBA history. Yes, more overrated than Wade himself...
lol
How is this funny? Even NBA analysts who ride his dick can agree with this.
proove it then.
After his performance in the playoffs you can not say he's overrated. sure he lost in the finals. but he fought his way to there as a leader.
Very true, he didn't walk to the finals by any means, they beat NJ & Detroit.
Yea, two very shitty playoff teams, obviously...
his performance in the play offs wasn't half as bad as kobe's in the last 3/4 years
Kobe's performance in the last couple years has been MVP worthy...LeBron subsided this season, he didn't even make All-NBA first team. :-X
In the playoffs? An established champion not even being able to lead his team past the 1st round MVP worthy? Did I read that wrong?
You mean Dirk Nowitzki...?
Nowitzki>LeBron
Who said anything about Dirk? LeBron>Dirk, LBJ would shit on Dirk in a 1 on 1. You claimed that Kobe playoff performance the last 3-4 years has been MVP like? ROFLMAO !!!! What is he gonna do, win MVP of the 1st round? Jeez, I'm pretty sure they don't have that award.
Who said anything about the playoffs? Kobe's Game 4 performance last season shits on anything LeBron has done in his career regardless though...Kobe>>>>>>LeBron. Even your slow ass can't argue that.
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strike three nik , you're out ..of your mind.lol.
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1 article. doesn't really say he's overrated. okay you said more than one (plural) say lebron is overrated. let's see it. lol. even if you find another article there's more articles that say he's great as apposed to him being overrated. but good job, at least you're TRYING now to back up your claims. get a good source NIK,lets see it.
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LOL, what the hell is your argument, Jake? LeBron is no better than he was a year ago, and you used to claim he was extremely overrated just a few months back. EVERYONE knows the media rides his nuts, don't be a schmuck. You know you feel bad for tryna put him on Kobe's level after one good game in the playoffs :-X...PeACe
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that's the thing NIK a few months ago i didn't think he had the gusto to lead his team, but he did. lebron is everybit as good as kobe....and if i'm wrong and he's not he's very close. lebron's edge...he rose to that level before kobe and he has better leadership skills. lebron is not overrated. you're just too in love with kobe.
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Dude...WHat don't you fucking get? T-Mac woulda led those Cavs in the east. In fact, T-Mac probably woulda done a better job. LeBron is WAYYY overrated. His team can't even depend on him yet!
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no he wouldn't , t mac has weaker leadership skills. better than kobe though
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no he wouldn't , t mac has weaker leadership skills. better than kobe though
:laugh:
You just love Shaq too much, Jake...T-Mac hasn't been out of the first round. LeBron James woulda' never made the playoffs as of now if he played in the west. Kobe>>>T-Mac>LeBron. :-*
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lmao@Nik's hate for Bronnie cause he gets more respect than Kobe
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So how bout those Espy awards
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lmao@Nik's hate for Bronnie cause he gets more respect than Kobe
Lebron gets more respect? from who, the dicksuckin media and little German boys like you?
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Lebron James is overrated, y'all crazy if you don't admit it.. his offensive game is far to be impressive and it's not Game 5 against the Pistons that changed my mind ... plus the East is weaker than ever, the Cavs would had beaten like 2 teams out of 8 from the West in a seven games series.. Lebron is a physical Phenomenom but still has a lot to prove as a B-Ball player and yep he's overhyped , last year it was Wade , this year it was Lebron , who knows who it'll be next year.. don't forget the NBA is in search of new icons to market all around the world and Lebron is part of it.. last, have in mind that the current NBA is weak and 80% of the teams basically play no D .. then when you watch FIBA Basketball, in which teams actually D and the refs are fair , the "Choosen One " was weak as hell
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lmao@Nik's hate for Bronnie cause he gets more respect than Kobe
Lebron gets more respect? from who, the dicksuckin media and little German boys like you?
lmao@you acting all stupid with childish personal attacks cause Lakers suck and Kobe leaves :laugh:
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kobe>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>lebron
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Lebron James is overrated, y'all crazy if you don't admit it.. his offensive game is far to be impressive and it's not Game 5 against the Pistons that changed my mind ... plus the East is weaker than ever, the Cavs would had beaten like 2 teams out of 8 from the West in a seven games series.. Lebron is a physical Phenomenom but still has a lot to prove as a B-Ball player and yep he's overhyped , last year it was Wade , this year it was Lebron , who knows who it'll be next year.. don't forget the NBA is in search of new icons to market all around the world and Lebron is part of it.. last, have in mind that the current NBA is weak and 80% of the teams basically play no D .. then when you watch FIBA Basketball, in which teams actually D and the refs are fair , the "Choosen One " was weak as hell
Don't expect people on this board to admit it, even if they know what's up...Well, of course there are those who actually watch NBA basketball and have seen LeBron play full games. But there will always be the people who see ESPN highlights and say "WHOAH! LEBRON IS SOOOO GOOD! HES THE BEST!!"...The funny thing though, is that Jake is only saying it cuz he hates Kobe, not cuz he lacks a certain knowledge...LeBron in reality is no better than he was 1 year ago, and Jake used to constantly rag on LeBron and his excessive hype on this board just a few months back...PeACe
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lmao@Nik's hate for Bronnie cause he gets more respect than Kobe
Lebron gets more respect? from who, the dicksuckin media and little German boys like you?
lmao@you acting all stupid with childish personal attacks cause Lakers suck and Kobe leaves :laugh:
Your fascination with the Lakers is disgusting.
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Your fascination with the Lakers is disgusting.
(http://images.amazon.com/images/P/1550821830.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg)
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no he wouldn't , t mac has weaker leadership skills. better than kobe though
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You just love Shaq too much, Jake...T-Mac hasn't been out of the first round. LeBron James woulda' never made the playoffs as of now if he played in the west. Kobe>>>T-Mac>LeBron. :-*
1. what do t-mac's back , lebron james' uprising , and kobe's leadership skills have to do with shaq?
2. true t-mac has never made it out of the first round when leading his own team, however neither has kobe, as a matter of fact though t-mac has won more first round games though.
3. you can't really say james would have never made the playoffs in the west. if he was drafted by the nuggets he'd have a different set a players and a different build up around him which would deal with the matchups in the west you can't say he wouldn't and i can't say he would, at the end of the day though he's still playing at a level that is superior to most in the league, also he has better leadership skills than kobe.
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LeBron has leadership skills? :laugh:
All this time, I thought the main knock on him was that he disappears on his team and doesn't prevail in clutch moments. That he needs to step up and gain that killer mentality Kobe has...Jake. You're a joke. Your whole existance on this board is to go against anything I say. To hate on Kobe as much as you can, while praising anyone who's been compared. Even if it has to be someone who you've knocked in the past, such as LeBron...And yes, this all stems from your love for Shaq...PeACe
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LeBron has leadership skills? :laugh:
All this time, I thought the main knock on him was that he disappears on his team and doesn't prevail in clutch moments. That he needs to step up and gain that killer mentality Kobe has...Jake. You're a joke. Your whole existance on this board is to go against anything I say. To hate on Kobe as much as you can, while praising anyone who's been compared. Even if it has to be someone who you've knocked in the past, such as LeBron...And yes, this all stems from your love for Shaq...PeACe
My man is the KING of irony! 8)
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LeBron has leadership skills? :laugh:
All this time, I thought the main knock on him was that he disappears on his team and doesn't prevail in clutch moments. That he needs to step up and gain that killer mentality Kobe has...Jake. You're a joke. Your whole existance on this board is to go against anything I say. To hate on Kobe as much as you can, while praising anyone who's been compared. Even if it has to be someone who you've knocked in the past, such as LeBron...And yes, this all stems from your love for Shaq...PeACe
he just became a leader. like i said during the series against the pistons i watched lebron james become a man that day
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LeBron has leadership skills? :laugh:
All this time, I thought the main knock on him was that he disappears on his team and doesn't prevail in clutch moments. That he needs to step up and gain that killer mentality Kobe has...Jake. You're a joke. Your whole existance on this board is to go against anything I say. To hate on Kobe as much as you can, while praising anyone who's been compared. Even if it has to be someone who you've knocked in the past, such as LeBron...And yes, this all stems from your love for Shaq...PeACe
LOL at this being a shaq thing
no, nik, Lebron after this year and maybe last has made people believers, he's only 22 and is already playing at a level that rivals kobe. at 22 he has amazing leadership skills, he's not Jordan yet. but by the time he hits his prime i'd be scared.
also my critique on him in the past was this: people were already handing him the crown, much like they were to tim duncan when he came out. it pissed me off because he proved nothing. he didn't make the playoffs. then he made it to the playoffs and did nothing. then he won a series and made a dent. then he takes his team to the number 2 seed and to the finals. i'm impressed with his progression, he's been int he league for not even half of a decade and he's already a top scorer passer and leader int he league. i'm amazed, we're not sitting around waiting on him to develope skills like we are with bynum, like jermain o'neal, ect. he's coming out the gate like his name was jeff gordon. he's progressing much faster than kobe did. i still say Melo should have won rookie of the year. but you know what lebron has lived up to the hype. he's on path to be a champion and a hall of famer.
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LeBron has leadership skills? :laugh:
All this time, I thought the main knock on him was that he disappears on his team and doesn't prevail in clutch moments. That he needs to step up and gain that killer mentality Kobe has...Jake. You're a joke. Your whole existance on this board is to go against anything I say. To hate on Kobe as much as you can, while praising anyone who's been compared. Even if it has to be someone who you've knocked in the past, such as LeBron...And yes, this all stems from your love for Shaq...PeACe
LOL at this being a shaq thing
no, nik, Lebron after this year and maybe last has made people believers, he's only 22 and is already playing at a level that rivals kobe. at 22 he has amazing leadership skills, he's not Jordan yet. but by the time he hits his prime i'd be scared.
also my critique on him in the past was this: people were already handing him the crown, much like they were to tim duncan when he came out. it pissed me off because he proved nothing. he didn't make the playoffs. then he made it to the playoffs and did nothing. then he won a series and made a dent. then he takes his team to the number 2 seed and to the finals. i'm impressed with his progression, he's been int he league for not even half of a decade and he's already a top scorer passer and leader int he league. i'm amazed, we're not sitting around waiting on him to develope skills like we are with bynum, like jermain o'neal, ect. he's coming out the gate like his name was jeff gordon. he's progressing much faster than kobe did. i still say Melo should have won rookie of the year. but you know what lebron has lived up to the hype. he's on path to be a champion and a hall of famer.
HAHAHAH WTF! Jermaine has been to 6 straight all star games and has been a mvp candidate, how r we waiting for JO to develop!?!?! That was stupid man. JO has been one of the best 7 or 8 players in the league the las 5 years and thats not about to change.
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JO lmao a top 7-8 player? top 15 yea 7-8 hell no
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we're talking about when jo was 18-23 years old, he wasn't doing even a quarter of what james is doing. JO took like 6-7 years to even start being all star worthy . james at 19 was already that. like i said james has met expectations. we're not sitting around waiting on him to develope like we are with bynum like we were with JO, and like we were and still are to a point with kobe.
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we're talking about when jo was 18-23 years old, he wasn't doing even a quarter of what james is doing. JO took like 6-7 years to even start being all star worthy . james at 19 was already that. like i said james has met expectations. we're not sitting around waiting on him to develope like we are with bynum like we were with JO, and like we were and still are to a point with kobe.
its not JO's fault that Port never let him play. and yes Jat, he is easily one of the best 6 or 7 best players in whole nba
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but still even when he got to indy and averaged what like 40-41 minutes a game i know he wasn't a beast. he was stil developing...23 years old and he still wasn't the player Lebron james was at 19-22.
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but still even when he got to indy and averaged what like 40-41 minutes a game i know he wasn't a beast. he was stil developing...23 years old and he still wasn't the player Lebron james was at 19-22.
yes he is a beast! this is why JO is a top player in this league, he is a top5 defender while also being a 20-10 player. how many players can dominate the game both offensively and defensively? not many, melo cant, wade cant, dirk cant, nash cant, lebron cant, Jermaine can!
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again HOW LONG did it take for him to get there. like i said even after he left portland his first year with the pacers he wasn't a beast.
it took him like 6 years to develop. lebron and melo didn't need that long
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LeBron has leadership skills? :laugh:
All this time, I thought the main knock on him was that he disappears on his team and doesn't prevail in clutch moments. That he needs to step up and gain that killer mentality Kobe has...Jake. You're a joke. Your whole existance on this board is to go against anything I say. To hate on Kobe as much as you can, while praising anyone who's been compared. Even if it has to be someone who you've knocked in the past, such as LeBron...And yes, this all stems from your love for Shaq...PeACe
LOL at this being a shaq thing
no, nik, Lebron after this year and maybe last has made people believers, he's only 22 and is already playing at a level that rivals kobe. at 22 he has amazing leadership skills, he's not Jordan yet. but by the time he hits his prime i'd be scared.
also my critique on him in the past was this: people were already handing him the crown, much like they were to tim duncan when he came out. it pissed me off because he proved nothing. he didn't make the playoffs. then he made it to the playoffs and did nothing. then he won a series and made a dent. then he takes his team to the number 2 seed and to the finals. i'm impressed with his progression, he's been int he league for not even half of a decade and he's already a top scorer passer and leader int he league. i'm amazed, we're not sitting around waiting on him to develope skills like we are with bynum, like jermain o'neal, ect. he's coming out the gate like his name was jeff gordon. he's progressing much faster than kobe did. i still say Melo should have won rookie of the year. but you know what lebron has lived up to the hype. he's on path to be a champion and a hall of famer.
The point is, LeBron is no better than he was last year!!...The east simply got weaker. The Cavs wouldn't even make the playoffs in the west, and if they did, they would definitely not pass the first round. This was the same problem with Wade's Heat last year...LeBron is overhyped and overrated. Dude didn't even make the first team All-NBA this year, how is he playing on a level rivaling Kobe? Dude plays no defense, dude has to improve his stroke drastically, dude is not refined at all! His teammates can't even depend on him 100%, especially not in the clutch! He's nowhere near Kobe... If Kobe was on the Cavs against the Spurs, it definitely would have not been a sweep...Kobe 22>LeBron 22...PeACe
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we're talking about when jo was 18-23 years old, he wasn't doing even a quarter of what james is doing. JO took like 6-7 years to even start being all star worthy . james at 19 was already that. like i said james has met expectations. we're not sitting around waiting on him to develope like we are with bynum like we were with JO, and like we were and still are to a point with kobe.
LeBron got the push that JO didn't...
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but still even when he got to indy and averaged what like 40-41 minutes a game i know he wasn't a beast. he was stil developing...23 years old and he still wasn't the player Lebron james was at 19-22.
yes he is a beast! this is why JO is a top player in this league, he is a top5 defender while also being a 20-10 player. how many players can dominate the game both offensively and defensively? not many, melo cant, wade cant, dirk cant, nash cant, lebron cant, Jermaine can!
I like him and all, but how the fuck does JO DOMINATE anything? The Pacers aren't even close to being a respectable team, so I think dominating is the wrong choice of words.
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LeBron has leadership skills? :laugh:
All this time, I thought the main knock on him was that he disappears on his team and doesn't prevail in clutch moments. That he needs to step up and gain that killer mentality Kobe has...Jake. You're a joke. Your whole existance on this board is to go against anything I say. To hate on Kobe as much as you can, while praising anyone who's been compared. Even if it has to be someone who you've knocked in the past, such as LeBron...And yes, this all stems from your love for Shaq...PeACe
LOL at this being a shaq thing
no, nik, Lebron after this year and maybe last has made people believers, he's only 22 and is already playing at a level that rivals kobe. at 22 he has amazing leadership skills, he's not Jordan yet. but by the time he hits his prime i'd be scared.
also my critique on him in the past was this: people were already handing him the crown, much like they were to tim duncan when he came out. it pissed me off because he proved nothing. he didn't make the playoffs. then he made it to the playoffs and did nothing. then he won a series and made a dent. then he takes his team to the number 2 seed and to the finals. i'm impressed with his progression, he's been int he league for not even half of a decade and he's already a top scorer passer and leader int he league. i'm amazed, we're not sitting around waiting on him to develope skills like we are with bynum, like jermain o'neal, ect. he's coming out the gate like his name was jeff gordon. he's progressing much faster than kobe did. i still say Melo should have won rookie of the year. but you know what lebron has lived up to the hype. he's on path to be a champion and a hall of famer.
The point is, LeBron is no better than he was last year!!...The east simply got weaker. The Cavs wouldn't even make the playoffs in the west, and if they did, they would definitely not pass the first round. This was the same problem with Wade's Heat last year...LeBron is overhyped and overrated. Dude didn't even make the first team All-NBA this year, how is he playing on a level rivaling Kobe? Dude plays no defense, dude has to improve his stroke drastically, dude is not refined at all! His teammates can't even depend on him 100%, especially not in the clutch! He's nowhere near Kobe... If Kobe was on the Cavs against the Spurs, it definitely would have not been a sweep...Kobe 22>LeBron 22...PeACe
see your problem is you're in denial, lebron last year would never of been able to do what he did in the playoffs this year. to say any different says (and i'm going to use your little diss) YOU DONT' WATCH BASKETBALL. the fact of the matter is this he's playing at a level that rivals kobe for the best player in the league, that's why you're so critical of the dude, cuz he rivals your boy. kobe at 22 would never be able to do this, he can't even do it now against a 'fake' team like the suns. so NIK save the hate and give lebron his props, kobe might be the best player now, but let lebron get in his prime and he'll eclipse kobe.
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Put Kobe at 22 on these Cavs, in this eastern conference, and they woulda' done the same. In fact, I bet the series against the Spurs woulda been more evened out. Kobe at 22 was an All-NBA defender. He was a premier scorer and a clutch player. LeBron is none of those yet. LeBron, currently, is on the level of a Wade, a T-Mac, an Arenas, etc...Not saying he wont improve, but as of now, he hasn't. He made first team All-NBA in 2006, but not 2007... he hasn't really proven much other than the fact that he can have a great game on weak single coverage defense and get extremely overhyped because of it, after choking more than a few times in those same playoffs...Jason Kidd himself said, it was NOT LeBron who beat the Nets, it was weak rebounding and no defense...Jacob, I somehow doubt you've watched ANY Cavs game in their entirety since LeBron has been drafted. I'm not hating, LeBron is good, he's just no Kobe...PeACe
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lol whatever
lebron @ 18> kobe @18
lebron @19 > kobe @ 19
lebron @20 > kobe @ 20
lebron @ 21 > kobe @21
lebron @22 > kobe @22
the rest is tbd.
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^^^^no way man!! Lebron got to start off his career on a struggling team where he got to become the leader right away, Kobe started his career on a championship caliber team so he didnt get the oppurtunity right away that LJ got.
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but still even when he got to indy and averaged what like 40-41 minutes a game i know he wasn't a beast. he was stil developing...23 years old and he still wasn't the player Lebron james was at 19-22.
yes he is a beast! this is why JO is a top player in this league, he is a top5 defender while also being a 20-10 player. how many players can dominate the game both offensively and defensively? not many, melo cant, wade cant, dirk cant, nash cant, lebron cant, Jermaine can!
I like him and all, but how the fuck does JO DOMINATE anything? The Pacers aren't even close to being a respectable team, so I think dominating is the wrong choice of words.
JO was constantly double teamed all year last year and he still basically averaged 20ppg. You need more than 1 player to be successful, JO had NO HELP last year! And when he did have help 3 years ago his team won 61 games and he was 3rd in MVP voting. JO consistently DOMINATES games defensively and is also able to DOMINATE games offensively and on the boards.
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say what you will but kobe had to play behind eddie jones for a few seasons. eddie JONES! i love eddie jones (eddie jones>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>lebron james in my favorite book) however i don't think it would have taken as long for lebron , if he was in the league @19/20 to start over eddie jones if it were 1997. also you got to look at kobe's shaky play in his earlier years, taking wild shots, having mistrust in his teammates. you didn't see that as much in lebron james , when it should have been the other way around .
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but still even when he got to indy and averaged what like 40-41 minutes a game i know he wasn't a beast. he was stil developing...23 years old and he still wasn't the player Lebron james was at 19-22.
yes he is a beast! this is why JO is a top player in this league, he is a top5 defender while also being a 20-10 player. how many players can dominate the game both offensively and defensively? not many, melo cant, wade cant, dirk cant, nash cant, lebron cant, Jermaine can!
I like him and all, but how the fuck does JO DOMINATE anything? The Pacers aren't even close to being a respectable team, so I think dominating is the wrong choice of words.
JO was constantly double teamed all year last year and he still basically averaged 20ppg. You need more than 1 player to be successful, JO had NO HELP last year! And when he did have help 3 years ago his team won 61 games and he was 3rd in MVP voting. JO consistently DOMINATES games defensively and is also able to DOMINATE games offensively and on the boards.
i will give JO props on his D and rebounding.
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whats wrong w/ his offense?
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say what you will but kobe had to play behind eddie jones for a few seasons. eddie JONES! i love eddie jones (eddie jones>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>lebron james in my favorite book) however i don't think it would have taken as long for lebron , if he was in the league @19/20 to start over eddie jones if it were 1997. also you got to look at kobe's shaky play in his earlier years, taking wild shots, having mistrust in his teammates. you didn't see that as much in lebron james , when it should have been the other way around .
LeBron would have been brought in the same way as Kobe on an organization like the Lakers, and Eddie Jones was a fan favorite ALL-STAR in LA, of course he was gunna start. Kobe worked his way up, his game was far more refined by the age of 22 than the current LeBron...You'll say whatever to discredit Kobe though, so it's not really worth discussing with you...PeACe
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Kobe at 22 was just droppin 48 and 16 against the Kings and 45 against Duncan and Robinson in a row in the 2001 playoffs... Lebron was never a factor against the Spurs ....
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the reason why kobe was able to do that is because the attention was all on shaq. if you do recall the spurs were quinitiple teaming shaq when he touched the ball. good ball rotation found kobe coming off the baseline or wide open for the jumper. don't act like if lebron james didn't have that luxury he wouln't have done the same , because we all know he is capable of pulling those numbers off.
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whats wrong w/ his offense?
he's an okay scorer but dude averages like 20 points a game, shaq in his worst season averages that, and he's suppose to be 'washed up'
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the reason why kobe was able to do that is because the attention was all on shaq. if you do recall the spurs were quinitiple teaming shaq when he touched the ball. good ball rotation found kobe coming off the baseline or wide open for the jumper. don't act like if lebron james didn't have that luxury he wouln't have done the same , because we all know he is capable of pulling those numbers off.
just w.o.w .... end of discussion :-X
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whats wrong w/ his offense?
he's an okay scorer but dude averages like 20 points a game, shaq in his worst season averages that, and he's suppose to be 'washed up'
wow. I think he is a lil more than a "ok" scorer, remember even though he only scored 20 a game lol he is still always double teamed cause he has no other help offensively.
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the reason why kobe was able to do that is because the attention was all on shaq.
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whats wrong w/ his offense?
he's an okay scorer but dude averages like 20 points a game, shaq in his worst season averages that, and he's suppose to be 'washed up'
wow. I think he is a lil more than a "ok" scorer, remember even though he only scored 20 a game lol he is still always double teamed cause he has no other help offensively.
Jake is a little slow, he doesn't understand that JO doesn't demand as much offense as Shaq...
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any analyst will tell you that having shaq in your line up helps your teammates score. all the defense is concerned with 'stopping' shaq. this frees up other players and allows them to score.
and about jermaine o'neal how can you be a beast scorer when your career average is 14 poitns. he's a great player but he's not a "great" scorer. allen iverson=great scorer. jermain o'neal no. kobe bryant=great scorer...tim duncan not really. like i said jermaine o'neal is a moster on the defensive end, IMO that's his strength, he's not a player you want anchoring your offense , in this day and age.
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whats wrong w/ his offense?
he's an okay scorer but dude averages like 20 points a game, shaq in his worst season averages that, and he's suppose to be 'washed up'
wow. I think he is a lil more than a "ok" scorer, remember even though he only scored 20 a game lol he is still always double teamed cause he has no other help offensively.
okay i had to reread this again and LAUGH......jermain o'neal up until this year HAD help .... bad argument. i guess reggie miller doesn't count for anything huh?
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any analyst will tell you that having shaq in your line up helps your teammates score. all the defense is concerned with 'stopping' shaq. this frees up other players and allows them to score.
Yea, splitting your points/shots between Shaq makes your PPG higher! Good one Jake. (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/Themes/dubcc/images/post/thumbup.gif)
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but still even when he got to indy and averaged what like 40-41 minutes a game i know he wasn't a beast. he was stil developing...23 years old and he still wasn't the player Lebron james was at 19-22.
yes he is a beast! this is why JO is a top player in this league, he is a top5 defender while also being a 20-10 player. how many players can dominate the game both offensively and defensively? not many, melo cant, wade cant, dirk cant, nash cant, lebron cant, Jermaine can!
I like him and all, but how the fuck does JO DOMINATE anything? The Pacers aren't even close to being a respectable team, so I think dominating is the wrong choice of words.
JO was constantly double teamed all year last year and he still basically averaged 20ppg. You need more than 1 player to be successful, JO had NO HELP last year! And when he did have help 3 years ago his team won 61 games and he was 3rd in MVP voting. JO consistently DOMINATES games defensively and is also able to DOMINATE games offensively and on the boards.
Again, a player who DOMINTATES wins games. JO can't do that by himself, so he's not dominant imo. One of the best, of course, but not dominant at all.
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no one said it boosts your ppg, what it does do is make it ALOT easier to score and takes all the pressure off making the shots. why is this? because you're either going to take a wide open shot or lay up. your man is going to be swinging off doubel coverage on shaq. watch any game with shaq and that's what you hear. i've been hearing that since 92' , and have been seeing it since his LSU days.
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WOW at Durant beating Young for the coll. player award
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no one said it boosts your ppg, what it does do is make it ALOT easier to score and takes all the pressure off making the shots. why is this? because you're either going to take a wide open shot or lay up. your man is going to be swinging off doubel coverage on shaq. watch any game with shaq and that's what you hear. i've been hearing that since 92' , and have been seeing it since his LSU days.
LOL. KOBE'S OFFENSE ALWAYS DEMANDED DOUBLE-COVERAGE, EVEN DURING THE THREEPEAT ERA. If you actually watched the games, you woulda known this. Shaq is the one who had it easier when Kobe was around...PeACe
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LOL^^^^^^^
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LOL^^^^^^^
What's so funny, rag? Kobe consistently drawing double teams opened the post for Shaq, and lets not forget who was making the plays, spoon-feeding Shaq dunks and lay-ups...I wonder why Shaq got his three straight rings alongside Kobe? Kobe was a boss, way better than LeBron James, EVEN as a second option, deferring to Shaq...
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LeBron=most overrated player in NBA history. Yes, more overrated than Wade himself...
lol
How is this funny? Even NBA analysts who ride his dick can agree with this.
proove it then.
After his performance in the playoffs you can not say he's overrated. sure he lost in the finals. but he fought his way to there as a leader.
His performance in the playoffs? LMAO. He had ONE good game, where there was NO DEFENSE on him whatsoever, and he was considered a choke in many of the others...And as expected, dude disappeared in the finals when some defense was actually played against him. LMAO@saying James is not overrated because of his play in the playoffs...
I can't believe this shit!!! I don't check this board, come back for a month, and NIK is STILL up to the same bullshit. HOw the fuck can you say LBJ only had ONE good game? Games 3-5 were all GREAT games by Lebron against NJ, so shut the fuck up. Lebron doesn't need to get 50 a game to have a good game.
And really, any player in Lebron's position would've had a tough time in the finals. A huge mismatch, kind of like the Lakers vs the Suns this year, except the Spurs are an even better team. Lebron did the next best thing to wiining it all this year, and dude is still only 23, so how is he overrated? Should he have one the NBA award? Probably not, but why does it really matter? Dude is ILL, and has a lot of room to grow his game still. Defense, ouitside shot, post game= OVER
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how is he overrated? Should he have one the NBA award? Probably not
LMAO. Do you realize how ridiculous you sound? What did JASON KIDD say? It was not LeBron who beat them, it was the role players and rebounding. LEBRON SHOT 41% FG FOR THE PLAYOFFS THIS SEASON. Dude is being compared to Jordan, Magic, Kobe, etc...ROFL@him not being overrated.
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Kobe benefitted more having Shaq open up shots for him than shaq Benefited from having kobe 'open' up shots for him. lol
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Kobe benefitted more having Shaq open up shots for him than shaq Benefited from having kobe 'open' up shots for him. lol
You're right, Kobe beneffited more by running plays for Shaq and spoon-feeding him, all while drawing double and sometimes triple teams...LOL. :grumpy:
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how is he overrated? Should he have one the NBA award? Probably not
LMAO. Do you realize how ridiculous you sound? What did JASON KIDD say? It was not LeBron who beat them, it was the role players and rebounding. LEBRON SHOT 41% FG FOR THE PLAYOFFS THIS SEASON. Dude is being compared to Jordan, Magic, Kobe, etc...ROFL@him not being overrated.
1. Everyone says your posts are ridiculous, while you are the only one who says shit about mine.
2. Fine, Lebron shouldn't be compared to Jordan or Magic yet. However, since Kobe hasn't led a team to anything (not even a series win yet), don't put his name next to Jordan's or Magic's. Agreed?
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Kobe benefitted more having Shaq open up shots for him than shaq Benefited from having kobe 'open' up shots for him. lol
You're right, Kobe beneffited more by running plays for Shaq and spoon-feeding him, all while drawing double and sometimes triple teams...LOL. :grumpy:
you act like kobe is the the reason why he was able to score,lol. Shaq was leading teams and winning BEFORE kobe okay,lol.
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how is he overrated? Should he have one the NBA award? Probably not
LMAO. Do you realize how ridiculous you sound? What did JASON KIDD say? It was not LeBron who beat them, it was the role players and rebounding. LEBRON SHOT 41% FG FOR THE PLAYOFFS THIS SEASON. Dude is being compared to Jordan, Magic, Kobe, etc...ROFL@him not being overrated.
1. Everyone says your posts are ridiculous, while you are the only one who says shit about mine.
2. Fine, Lebron shouldn't be compared to Jordan or Magic yet. However, since Kobe hasn't led a team to anything (not even a series win yet), don't put his name next to Jordan's or Magic's. Agreed?
1.Everyone says my "posts are ridiculous", yet it's only you and Jake agreeing in this topic...Ironic, isn't it, son?'
2.Skillwise, Kobe is up there with Magic and Jordan...Of course he has more to prove, but Kobe is much closer to Magic and Jordan than LeBron is to Kobe...PeACe
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Kobe benefitted more having Shaq open up shots for him than shaq Benefited from having kobe 'open' up shots for him. lol
You're right, Kobe beneffited more by running plays for Shaq and spoon-feeding him, all while drawing double and sometimes triple teams...LOL. :grumpy:
you act like kobe is the the reason why he was able to score,lol. Shaq was leading teams and winning BEFORE kobe okay,lol.
Yea, we saw how much Shaq could win before Kobe *cough*schooled by Hakeem*cough*
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ohwow kobe bryant bricking wide open shots againts utah is a better moment. lol. lol at least shaq led a team past the first round
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ohwow kobe bryant bricking wide open shots againts utah is a better moment. lol. lol at least shaq led a team past the first round
Shaq without superstar guard paving the way=nothing.
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ohwow kobe bryant bricking wide open shots againts utah is a better moment. lol. lol at least shaq led a team past the first round
Shaq without superstar guard paving the way=nothing.
Kobe without the great Shaquille O'Neal = no playoffs, 1st round exit, 1st round exit, demanding trade
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ohwow kobe bryant bricking wide open shots againts utah is a better moment. lol. lol at least shaq led a team past the first round
Shaq without superstar guard paving the way=nothing.
Kobe without the great Shaquille O'Neal = no playoffs, 1st round exit, 1st round exit, demanding trade
Shaquille without superstar=non-existant
Kobe without superstar=single-handedly wills team to playoffs
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lol@thinking shaq wouldnt have been able to push his team into the playoffs in his prime without a superstar
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lol@thinking shaq wouldnt have been able to push his team into the playoffs in his prime without a superstar
LOL@thinking Shaq would be able to run plays on his own. :-X
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lol@thinking shaq wouldnt have been able to push his team into the playoffs in his prime without a superstar
LOL@thinking Shaq would be able to run plays on his own. :-X
lol you don't watch basketball
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lol@thinking shaq wouldnt have been able to push his team into the playoffs in his prime without a superstar
LOL@thinking Shaq would be able to run plays on his own. :-X
lol you don't watch basketball
Lets see. You're Jacob, and I'm NIK. I think I watch basketball. :)
Shaq STILL can't run plays on his own.
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i'll prove my points
shaq freeing up an open man
http://www.youtube.com/v/QxRMn98hTJw
then some more highlights of the big fella creating ,baking, and freeing up the open man....quit being a hater
http://www.youtube.com/v/xzCVm4OXOS4
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Point? Your second clip only proves my point. Watch as Wade draws two defenders, freeing up Shaq for the lob dunk...How many times have we seen that with Kobe? Your first clip showed how a SMALL FORWARD benefits off of Shaq's double team. LMAO. :grumpy:
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lol did you see any of the other plays,lol shaq's block and run and dunk, shaq passing like his name was magic,lol , dude wade wasn't in all of those clips,lol.
nik=shaq hater
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lol did you see any of the other plays,lol shaq's block and run and dunk, shaq passing like his name was magic,lol , dude wade wasn't in all of those clips,lol.
nik=shaq hater
Yea, Shaq would make a great point guard. Definitely Magic status.
Jacob=Shaq groupie. So much, that he turned on his team when Shaq did. :puke:
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lol did you see any of the other plays,lol shaq's block and run and dunk, shaq passing like his name was magic,lol , dude wade wasn't in all of those clips,lol.
nik=shaq hater
Yea, Shaq would make a great point guard. Definitely Magic status.
Jacob=Shaq groupie. So much, that he turned on his team when Shaq did. :puke:
lol you said the same things about the lakers when kobe started acting up about a trade
you're being a hypocrit.
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lol did you see any of the other plays,lol shaq's block and run and dunk, shaq passing like his name was magic,lol , dude wade wasn't in all of those clips,lol.
nik=shaq hater
Yea, Shaq would make a great point guard. Definitely Magic status.
Jacob=Shaq groupie. So much, that he turned on his team when Shaq did. :puke:
lol you said the same things about the lakers when kobe started acting up about a trade
you're being a hypocrit.
Difference= Kobe is still a Laker, embraces the Laker legacy, and has nothing but love for the city...Shaq, the exact opposite.
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lol that's cuz mitch cup-check hasn't fulfilled kobe's wish (which he STILL WANTS!!!) to be traded. remember the lakers didn't have to trade shaq. lol.
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Kobe wants to play for a trustworthy organization and contending team. He is pushing Buss to try his hardest to achieve that. I can't hate on someone who demands perfection. Shaq's situation was completely different, he was demanding a kings ransom...PeACe
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LOL @ thinking Kobe isn't keeping the lakers hostage
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Kobe is an asshole for doing what he did and demanding a trade.
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LOL @ thinking Kobe isn't keeping the lakers hostage
Hostage to improve the team, not hostage to get more money (ala Shaq)...No beef on my part.
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but how are u gonna improve wit no trade chips and no money to sign free agents. my 4 words of wisdom to the lakers. Pay the luxury tax
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^^^Ummm, we already did that to sign Mihm...LOL.
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Also, LMAO@"no trade chips". :-X
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Shaq was more important to the 3peat than Kobe. It's evidenced by the fact that he had made the eastern finals in Orlando, and then won the championship again in Miami.
What did Penny do post-Shaq? You think Wade will win another championship once Shaq is done? He'll probably go the Kobe route 1 and done.
Shaq was the most dominant player of his era. Any team that had him as their 5 in his prime was a top 3 team regardless. He's had great guards no doubt, but he's the main reason those teams were successful.
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Shaq was more important to the 3peat than Kobe. It's evidenced by the fact that he had made the eastern finals in Orlando, and then won the championship again in Miami.
What did Penny do post-Shaq? You think Wade will win another championship once Shaq is done? He'll probably go the Kobe route 1 and done.
Shaq was the most dominant player of his era. Any team that had him as their 5 in his prime was a top 3 team regardless. He's had great guards no doubt, but he's the main reason those teams were successful.
Shaq was _NOT_ more important to the 3peat era, in fact, one can argue that Kobe played a more important role in the last 2 championships...Shaq took a stacked Orlando team to the finals, and got bitched by Hakeem. Wade, not Shaq, took a stacked Heat team to the finals and won as the worst championship team in basketball history, with Shaq acting as part of the supporting cast. The Heat LOST with Shaq in the lead role the previous year. LOL...Penny, post-Shaq, STILL took his team to the Eastern Semis...I truly think Shaq without an all-star guard paving the way and running the plays for him wouldn't even make the playoffs! If Shaq was a smarter guy, he'd barely be winding down his prime, still contending alongside Kobe and considered with the resume he dreamed of...Fact of the matter is, his "me first" attitude got him where he is today, and believe it or not, it's far from where he wants to be...PeACe
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Shaq was more important to the 3peat than Kobe. It's evidenced by the fact that he had made the eastern finals in Orlando, and then won the championship again in Miami.
What did Penny do post-Shaq? You think Wade will win another championship once Shaq is done? He'll probably go the Kobe route 1 and done.
Shaq was the most dominant player of his era. Any team that had him as their 5 in his prime was a top 3 team regardless. He's had great guards no doubt, but he's the main reason those teams were successful.
Shaq was _NOT_ more important to the 3peat era
That's where most people, including me, will stop reading.
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Shaq was more important to the 3peat than Kobe. It's evidenced by the fact that he had made the eastern finals in Orlando, and then won the championship again in Miami.
What did Penny do post-Shaq? You think Wade will win another championship once Shaq is done? He'll probably go the Kobe route 1 and done.
Shaq was the most dominant player of his era. Any team that had him as their 5 in his prime was a top 3 team regardless. He's had great guards no doubt, but he's the main reason those teams were successful.
Shaq was _NOT_ more important to the 3peat era
That's where most people, including me, will stop reading.
Cuz you're a close-minded dude who probably didn't even watch one game in the threepeat era...Then again, Dallas wasn't relavent back then and Dirk was still a fag.
Type "kobe was a captain" in a google search, boy.
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Now try "Kobe was just as important" (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/Themes/dubcc/images/post/thumbup.gif)
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Lol@you being the first one to cry when someone "can not debate rationally" and then go out of your way with silly insults, you're a douchebag
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^^Insults? You said you stopped reading there, when it's a perfectly normal opinion, moron...You, my friend, have not read your Laker books.
...And I know you want to. ;D
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BTW, that was an example of you not being able to debate rationally...Think before you speak.
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nigga I don't need to read no darn books, shaq was a plain freak of nature, he was so dominant and shitted on everybody so much that it wasn't even entertaining no more. kobe was good, but shaq+the role players the lakers had+an elite guard would've pulled off 3 titles in those 6 years as well. iverson and shaq? no doubt. mc grady and shaq? yup. hell, even vince and shaq. kobe was and is a helluva playa mayne but to say that shaq couldve been replaced with a good center in a way that kobe could have been replaced with a good guard is absurd. shaq in his prime was literally unstoppable. all you could do is foul him and hope he won't pull off an and1. I wanted Iverson and philly to win it all in 2001 but then that nigga shaq was just annoying. he was the type of player who was so dominant that I couldn't even appreciate it. like a 25 year-old playing in under-19 games. you know? fucking imbalanced.
BTW, that was an example of you not being able to debate rationally...Think before you speak.
Nigga you a hypocrite, you debate rationally as long as it is comfortable to you. you dont refrain from insulting people when it gets uncomfortable... just like every other fucker.
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nigga I don't need to read no darn books, shaq was a plain freak of nature, he was so dominant and shitted on everybody so much that it wasn't even entertaining no more. kobe was good, but shaq+the role players the lakers had+an elite guard would've pulled off 3 titles in those 6 years as well. iverson and shaq? no doubt. mc grady and shaq? yup. hell, even vince and shaq. kobe was and is a helluva playa mayne but to say that shaq couldve been replaced with a good center in a way that kobe could have been replaced with a good guard is absurd. shaq in his prime was literally unstoppable. all you could do is foul him and hope he won't pull off an and1. I wanted Iverson and philly to win it all in 2001 but then that nigga shaq was just annoying. he was the type of player who was so dominant that I couldn't even appreciate it. like a 25 year-old playing in under-19 games. you know? fucking imbalanced.
BTW, that was an example of you not being able to debate rationally...Think before you speak.
Nigga you a hypocrite, you debate rationally as long as it is comfortable to you. you dont refrain from insulting people when it gets uncomfortable... just like every other fucker.
LMAO...Dude, your thoughts are a JOKE, man. You're COMPLETELY disgracing Kobe's legacy and overplaying Shaq's. Sad, VERY sad... Vince? T-Mac? LMFAO!!!! 1 ring, MAYBE in the span of those 3 years...Are you forgetting all those clutch plays? Those buzzer beaters? Those 4th quarter takeovers? Kobe was inhumane...We BARELY won the ring in 2000 and '02, there was some FIERCE competition, and Kobe was a major, MAJOR factor in winning those rings...If you truly think you're not overrating Shaq by saying any all-star guard woulda THREEPEATED with him, then you're OUT OF IT. Shaq was amazing, no doubt, but so was Kobe...and if you ever read Phil Jackson's book, the one where he DISSED Kobe in, he himself said the duties were split about 50/50...But I guess I should just believe what some kid in Germany says, huh?...Be honest with me, what percentage of the games in the 3peat era did you actually watch?...I mean, seriously. Kobe coulda' just as easily won the Finals MVP in those last 2 championship seasons, so I think it's pretty damn gay that you "stopped reading" after I made that rational claim...PeACe
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BTW, that was an example of you not being able to debate rationally...Think before you speak.
Nigga you a hypocrite, you debate rationally as long as it is comfortable to you. you dont refrain from insulting people when it gets uncomfortable... just like every other fucker.
Son, you started with the insults...When someone makes a rational claim, and you follow up by saying "I stopped reading there", that's an insult...And in this instance, it only made YOU look stupid, because NO ONE out there thinks Shaq woulda threepeated with Iverson, T-Mac, or VC...:grumpy:
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Not 3 in a row, but 3 titles. I don't mean to degrade Kobe... but Iverson used to be a helluva player... and the Lakers were so dominant at times that a player as good as Kobe wasn't even needed... they only lost 1 game in 2001
You never know, of course. But maybe another player like T-Mac or Iverson would have accepted Shaq's ego... created less beef... extended the dynsty... not demanded a trade 3 years after Shaq left ... etc
You call me a Kobe-hater, but you hate on Shaq, LeBron and Wade.
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Not 3 in a row, but 3 titles. I don't mean to degrade Kobe... but Iverson used to be a helluva player... and the Lakers were so dominant at times that a player as good as Kobe wasn't even needed... they only lost 1 game in 2001
You never know, of course. But maybe another player like T-Mac or Iverson would have accepted Shaq's ego... created less beef... extended the dynsty... not demanded a trade 3 years after Shaq left ... etc
You call me a Kobe-hater, but you hate on Shaq, LeBron and Wade.
Dude, believe me when I say, there would be no threepeat with no Kobe. Kobe was INTEGRAL, bro. that's why I question how much of the threepeat dynasty you even watched... Can you say if Shaq was replaced with Hakeem, Ewing, D-Rob in his prime, it'd be the same story?...Just about as much as you can say T-Mac, Vince Carter, and Iverson would be that same...As for 2001, that's probably the greatest team in NBA history. Swept the west and shoulda been a sweep in the finals too...Crazy shit. Wouldn't have been possible without Kobe...PeACe
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shaq=3 finals mvps trophies + the best performance from the last finals appearance by lakers
shaq>>>kobe threepeat lakers
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^^Shaq got those MVPs because he was the main option on the team and our offense ran through him, but one can easily argue that Kobe was just as important to the threepeat era, ESPECIALLY in the last 2 titles...There's a reason they were co-captains.