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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: Meho on July 30, 2008, 01:08:45 PM
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He's basically saying that he's telling Dre to rap about his personal stuff: Death Row, 2Pac beef, Eazy E, Vibe awards. He also says wheter Dre should spit some gangsta shit or not:
http://videos.onsmash.com/e/VRAGnIEPwz9uzIhI
10 min freestyle on Shade45:
http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/e/16711680/wshh3g2aMCx53L2BbZ2T
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lmao detox is official never coming out, it was 75% finished 6 months ago, then it went to 60%, then bishop said on the ww show its at 50% what fucking album reverses in progress?? and now there trying to rap up personal shit that happened over 10 years ago . .wtf? and dre hasnt even spit anything yet?> ...... he's gonna make such a fool out of himself when he drops this album, he cant appeal to the younger west coast fans, because how stupid is it going to look when they come round to shoot a video with dre lookin all old and shit in a low rider and he aint gonna be able to film shit in the hood, cus thats just gonna make him look stupid, i honestly think dre needs to touchdown with reality asap if he wants to release another album .. he's 44 in febuary for fuck sake... and he said he wanted to make an album with the sounds of the planets?. . . does dre understand the fundamentals of life and death? because i believe he thinks for some strange reason hes got all the time in the world
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Personally I Can Wait For This Album To Drop. I Want Quality And Perfection, Not A Half-Ass Production Album.
I Don't See What All The Complaining Is About......? It Just Shows Me How Much U Don't Appreciate Music.
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Personally I Can Wait For This Album To Drop. I Want Quality And Perfection, Not A Half-Ass Production Album.
I Don't See What All The Complaining Is About......? It Just Shows Me How Much U Don't Appreciate Music.
quality and perfection doesnt take ten years, i like to listen to my music whilst im still alive, dres an old as man he could be hit with prostate cancer tommorow, then what?> he dies. .
theres no such thing as quality and perfection with music, as its only quality and perfection to each and others tastes, if it takes 10 years for dre to make an album then that realy doesnt say much about him as a producer because if he was that good it shouldnt take his brain 10 years to co-produce and spit on 16 tracks..
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Damn the freestyle is sick :o
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lmao detox is official never coming out, it was 75% finished 6 months ago, then it went to 60%, then bishop said on the ww show its at 50% what fucking album reverses in progress?? and now there trying to rap up personal shit that happened over 10 years ago . .wtf? and dre hasnt even spit anything yet?> ...... he's gonna make such a fool out of himself when he drops this album, he cant appeal to the younger west coast fans, because how stupid is it going to look when they come round to shoot a video with dre lookin all old and shit in a low rider and he aint gonna be able to film shit in the hood, cus thats just gonna make him look stupid, i honestly think dre needs to touchdown with reality asap if he wants to release another album .. he's 44 in febuary for fuck sake... and he said he wanted to make an album with the sounds of the planets?. . . does dre understand the fundamentals of life and death? because i believe he thinks for some strange reason hes got all the time in the world
lol please don't tell me you're that shallow :P
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Seems like Dre's not even sure what to rap about yet.
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lmao detox is official never coming out, it was 75% finished 6 months ago, then it went to 60%, then bishop said on the ww show its at 50% what fucking album reverses in progress?? and now there trying to rap up personal shit that happened over 10 years ago . .wtf? and dre hasnt even spit anything yet?> ...... he's gonna make such a fool out of himself when he drops this album, he cant appeal to the younger west coast fans, because how stupid is it going to look when they come round to shoot a video with dre lookin all old and shit in a low rider and he aint gonna be able to film shit in the hood, cus thats just gonna make him look stupid, i honestly think dre needs to touchdown with reality asap if he wants to release another album .. he's 44 in febuary for fuck sake... and he said he wanted to make an album with the sounds of the planets?. . . does dre understand the fundamentals of life and death? because i believe he thinks for some strange reason hes got all the time in the world
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Seems like Dre's not even sure what to rap about yet.
lol and they claim the albums 50 % done ???
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woooow so people are actually defending Dre for takin 9(!!!!!!!!!!) years to "perfect" an album, yet STILL he doesnt know
what to spit about?
get the fuck outta here. When Detox drops fine, i will cop it, but until til then i just move on wit my life fuck Detox until it comes out.
Dre could've dropped like 7 albums in the amount of time he "perfected" Detox.
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propz on dis. gotta respect dude though. very few ppl really "freestyle" anymore...mostly they just write a hot 32 bars and memorize it nowadays
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Bishop's freestyles are always good shit.
Detox should be a double album.
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he should get keith murray, redman and crooked i on the reformation and detox 8) then it would really be dope :P
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damn bishop got rhymes for dayz! real freestylin
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PAC HAD RIGHT DRE IS ONE SLOWHEADED MOTHERFUCKER
DETOX
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propz on dis. gotta respect dude though. very few ppl really "freestyle" anymore...mostly they just write a hot 32 bars and memorize it nowadays
Bishop's freestyles are always good shit.
Detox should be a double album.
damn bishop got rhymes for dayz! real freestylin
yeah, i think his delivery was better in compared to the last one :)
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Personally I Can Wait For This Album To Drop. I Want Quality And Perfection, Not A Half-Ass Production Album.
I Don't See What All The Complaining Is About......? It Just Shows Me How Much U Don't Appreciate Music.
quality and perfection doesnt take ten years, i like to listen to my music whilst im still alive, dres an old as man he could be hit with prostate cancer tommorow, then what?> he dies. .
theres no such thing as quality and perfection with music, as its only quality and perfection to each and others tastes, if it takes 10 years for dre to make an album then that realy doesnt say much about him as a producer because if he was that good it shouldnt take his brain 10 years to co-produce and spit on 16 tracks..
yeah cosign. I think he's in a trapp right now because he raised expectations to the sky, but obiously he don't get shit together. Dre has like 10 co-producers and 10 ghostwriters, and is not able to release an album within 10 years. Dre doesn't want to show that he fell off if you ask me (which is normal with 43)
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Don't tell me that you people actually think that he's been working on Detox since 99 ? It's been known that he was working on it from 03-05 but scrapped it and gave all the beats to his Aftermath artists and then he started again in the beginning of 06.
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i'd say the ball really started rolling when bishop got involved ;)
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i'd say the ball really started rolling when bishop got involved ;)
What's the wink for?
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i'd say the ball really started rolling when bishop got involved ;)
What's the wink for?
why do people say hello?
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i'd say the ball really started rolling when bishop got involved ;)
What's the wink for?
why do people say hello?
To say hi.
Did you give that wink because you look up to Bishop Lamont? Is it because you think Bishop Lamont is more alive than 2Pac? Did you give that wink because you think Bishop Lamont is the best rapper alive?
Why did you give that wink? It's a simple question.
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i'd say the ball really started rolling when bishop got involved ;)
What's the wink for?
why do people say hello?
To say hi.
Did you give that wink because you look up to Bishop Lamont? Is it because you think Bishop Lamont is more alive than 2Pac? Did you give that wink because you think Bishop Lamont is the best rapper alive?
Why did you give that wink? It's a simple question.
ok, it's just that i thought it was obvious.
well it basically meant to say, "just to add my 2 cents"
my post was a response to what Meho brought to the table.
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I feel what Bishop i s saying about Dre...we (or at least I) do want to know what transpired with the Death Row situation, Eazy-E, 2Pac and all that...cuz we've never heard Dre speak on those situations...we've heard Suge's side, we heard what Pac was callin' Dre before his death, and we know Dre was there with Eazy at the hospital...but aside from "The Watcher", we haven't heard Dre's thoughts & feelings about everything becuz he holds that personal to him...
Going along the lines of "Grow Up", "Imagine" and other songs on that reflective tip, I think Detox would be a good airing-out session for Dre, where he can still do his gangsta shit, but be more reflective and grown up about the shit....that would change the game IMHO...cuz rap music needs to grow up and be taken ffrom these kiddie-boppers like Souljah Boy...
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I feel what Bishop i s saying about Dre...we (or at least I) do want to know what transpired with the Death Row situation, Eazy-E, 2Pac and all that...cuz we've never heard Dre speak on those situations...we've heard Suge's side, we heard what Pac was callin' Dre before his death, and we know Dre was there with Eazy at the hospital...but aside from "The Watcher", we haven't heard Dre's thoughts & feelings about everything becuz he holds that personal to him...
Going along the lines of "Grow Up", "Imagine" and other songs on that reflective tip, I think Detox would be a good airing-out session for Dre, where he can still do his gangsta shit, but be more reflective and grown up about the shit....that would change the game IMHO...cuz rap music needs to grow up and be taken ffrom these kiddie-boppers like Souljah Boy...
well Bruce revealed a couple of things in the rollin wit' dre book, but yeah Dre didn't speak on those issues by himself so i see your point ;)
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I feel what Bishop i s saying about Dre...we (or at least I) do want to know what transpired with the Death Row situation, Eazy-E, 2Pac and all that...cuz we've never heard Dre speak on those situations...we've heard Suge's side, we heard what Pac was callin' Dre before his death, and we know Dre was there with Eazy at the hospital...but aside from "The Watcher", we haven't heard Dre's thoughts & feelings about everything becuz he holds that personal to him...
Going along the lines of "Grow Up", "Imagine" and other songs on that reflective tip,
I think Detox would be a good airing-out session for Dre, where he can still do his gangsta shit,
but be more reflective and grown up about the shit....that would change the game IMHO...
cuz rap music needs to grow up and be taken from these kiddie-boppers like Souljah Boy...
I feel Chronic 2001 sort of covered most of that.
The Watcher spoke on the Suge/Death Row thing,Still DRE and Forgot About Dre spoke on his rise,fall and redemption.
He touched on Eazy (barely) on What's the Difference and his brothers death on the message.
Not sure if I want to hear this again,he should write a book or do a movie about his life instead.
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I feel what Bishop i s saying about Dre...we (or at least I) do want to know what transpired with the Death Row situation, Eazy-E, 2Pac and all that...cuz we've never heard Dre speak on those situations...we've heard Suge's side, we heard what Pac was callin' Dre before his death, and we know Dre was there with Eazy at the hospital...but aside from "The Watcher", we haven't heard Dre's thoughts & feelings about everything becuz he holds that personal to him...
Going along the lines of "Grow Up", "Imagine" and other songs on that reflective tip,
I think Detox would be a good airing-out session for Dre, where he can still do his gangsta shit,
but be more reflective and grown up about the shit....that would change the game IMHO...
cuz rap music needs to grow up and be taken from these kiddie-boppers like Souljah Boy...
I feel Chronic 2001 sort of covered most of that.
The Watcher spoke on the Suge/Death Row thing,Still DRE and Forgot About Dre spoke on his rise,fall and redemption.
He touched on Eazy (barely) on What's the Difference and his brothers death on the message.
Not sure if I want to hear this again,he should write a book or do a movie about his life instead.
nice idea noncentz but i agree with chad on this man. 2001 got the balance right. a few hints here and there about the industry stuff and a genuinely personal track about dude's bro (even though royce wrote it...). i think if dre gets too autobiographical insofar as his industry history goes there will be a big danger in him portraying a fake a**ed character that he actually believes in as opposed to one invented to fit the atmosphere of the sound he is creating. I can't help thinking if he went all autobiographocal he would be on some real bullsh*t as opposed to bullsh*t for a purpose - entertainment and music!
I think bishop is caught up in some real bullsh*t superhero saviour of hip hop sh*t and growing the music up but somewhere along the line the music got lost with him. i would much rather hear a studio gangsta who can rap the m*thaf*ck out of anything than someone who is "real" in whatever sense and is just a bit boring or pompous. i really hope bishop's album if it comes proves me wrong...
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it's boring ass niggas like him that will ruin detox
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I feel what Bishop i s saying about Dre...we (or at least I) do want to know what transpired with the Death Row situation, Eazy-E, 2Pac and all that...cuz we've never heard Dre speak on those situations...we've heard Suge's side, we heard what Pac was callin' Dre before his death, and we know Dre was there with Eazy at the hospital...but aside from "The Watcher", we haven't heard Dre's thoughts & feelings about everything becuz he holds that personal to him...
Going along the lines of "Grow Up", "Imagine" and other songs on that reflective tip,
I think Detox would be a good airing-out session for Dre, where he can still do his gangsta shit,
but be more reflective and grown up about the shit....that would change the game IMHO...
cuz rap music needs to grow up and be taken from these kiddie-boppers like Souljah Boy...
I feel Chronic 2001 sort of covered most of that.
The Watcher spoke on the Suge/Death Row thing,Still DRE and Forgot About Dre spoke on his rise,fall and redemption.
He touched on Eazy (barely) on What's the Difference and his brothers death on the message.
Not sure if I want to hear this again,he should write a book or do a movie about his life instead.
nice idea noncentz but i agree with chad on this man. 2001 got the balance right. a few hints here and there about the industry stuff and a genuinely personal track about dude's bro (even though royce wrote it...). i think if dre gets too autobiographical insofar as his industry history goes there will be a big danger in him portraying a fake a**ed character that he actually believes in as opposed to one invented to fit the atmosphere of the sound he is creating. I can't help thinking if he went all autobiographocal he would be on some real bullsh*t as opposed to bullsh*t for a purpose - entertainment and music!
I think bishop is caught up in some real bullsh*t superhero saviour of hip hop sh*t and growing the music up but somewhere along the line the music got lost with him. i would much rather hear a studio gangsta who can rap the m*thaf*ck out of anything than someone who is "real" in whatever sense and is just a bit boring or pompous. i really hope bishop's album if it comes proves me wrong...
:eh: bishop lamont ain't really like 50 cent at all
perhaps you have a misconception of his music?
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I feel what Bishop i s saying about Dre...we (or at least I) do want to know what transpired with the Death Row situation, Eazy-E, 2Pac and all that...cuz we've never heard Dre speak on those situations...we've heard Suge's side, we heard what Pac was callin' Dre before his death, and we know Dre was there with Eazy at the hospital...but aside from "The Watcher", we haven't heard Dre's thoughts & feelings about everything becuz he holds that personal to him...
Going along the lines of "Grow Up", "Imagine" and other songs on that reflective tip,
I think Detox would be a good airing-out session for Dre, where he can still do his gangsta shit,
but be more reflective and grown up about the shit....that would change the game IMHO...
cuz rap music needs to grow up and be taken from these kiddie-boppers like Souljah Boy...
I feel Chronic 2001 sort of covered most of that.
The Watcher spoke on the Suge/Death Row thing,Still DRE and Forgot About Dre spoke on his rise,fall and redemption.
He touched on Eazy (barely) on What's the Difference and his brothers death on the message.
Not sure if I want to hear this again,he should write a book or do a movie about his life instead.
nice idea noncentz but i agree with chad on this man. 2001 got the balance right.
a few hints here and there about the industry stuff and a genuinely personal track about dude's bro (even though royce wrote it...).
I think if Dre gets too autobiographical insofar as his industry history goes there will be a big danger in
him portraying a fake a**ed character that he actually believes in as opposed to one invented to fit the atmosphere of the sound he is creating.
I can't help thinking if he went all autobiographical he would be on some real bullsh*t as opposed to bullsh*t for a purpose
- entertainment and music!
I think bishop is caught up in some real bullsh*t superhero saviour of hip hop sh*t
and growing the music up but somewhere along the line the music got lost with him.
I would much rather hear a studio gangsta who can rap the m*thaf*ck out of anything
than someone who is "real" in whatever sense and is just a bit boring or pompous.
I really hope bishop's album if it comes proves me wrong...
That's what worries me too. So I see your point ;)
I mean I was a HUGE BDP/KRS fan,but he kinda lost me around his
Sex and Violence album. :P
(http://www.metrolyrics.com/images/albums/5585sexandviolence.jpg)
He went on his anti gangster crusade and with all his preaching he lost me,
the music came secondary and the message in focus.
I appreciate Bishop's effort though.
Anyway there's a thread about;
content VS flow here (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=187292.0) ;)
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Detox WILL eventualy come out and be a classic, no doubt
BUT
that freestyle was fuckin insane :o 8)
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:eh: bishop lamont ain't really like 50 cent at all perhaps you have a misconception of his music?
sorry my post didn't really express what i was trying to say. using the example you used of 50 Cent - i am guessing he can be a compelling character to some because all he is is a cartoon character if that makes sense. the person he presents on the mic is part- (or total) fiction, a series of film like stories which are entertainment in which he always plays the bad a*s superhero. 50 cent is not trying to (or can't) deliver a 360 degree version of who curtis jackson is.
bishop presents himself on the mic as a "real" person (whatever the f*ck that means). he attempts to deliver a message whether that be as the saviour of hip-hop, a preacher of sorts etc. but for me it is very difficult to listen to someone who is not that interesting musically where lyrically he preaches without any real sense of a personal struggle. he is just not a compelling artist for me. to me there is no soul in his music and while he is a brilliant talker i can't find him a very convincing preacher because there just seems like there sounds to me a lack of honesty somewhere in what he spits about and not enough mic skills to make up for that or carry it off (like a dude like ice cube). sorry if that sounds like hate. i am still anticipating an album if it comes but other than a couple of tracks like Translator i just haven't heard him get the balance right.
That's what worries me too. So I see your point ;) I mean I was a HUGE BDP/KRS fan,but he kinda lost me around his
Sex and Violence album. :P (http://www.metrolyrics.com/images/albums/5585sexandviolence.jpg)
He went on his anti gangster crusade and with all his preaching he lost me,
the music came secondary and the message in focus.
I appreciate Bishop's effort though.
Anyway there's a thread about;
content VS flow here (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=187292.0) ;)
chad, to be totally honest with you and i know the dude is a legend but i could never listen to KRS1!!!!
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:eh: bishop lamont ain't really like 50 cent at all perhaps you have a misconception of his music?
sorry my post didn't really express what i was trying to say. using the example you used of 50 Cent - i am guessing he can be a compelling character to some because all he is is a cartoon character if that makes sense. the person he presents on the mic is part- (or total) fiction, a series of film like stories which are entertainment in which he always plays the bad a*s superhero. 50 cent is not trying to (or can't) deliver a 360 degree version of who curtis jackson is.
bishop presents himself on the mic as a "real" person (whatever the f*ck that means). he attempts to deliver a message whether that be as the saviour of hip-hop, a preacher of sorts etc. but for me it is very difficult to listen to someone who is not that interesting musically where lyrically he preaches without any real sense of a personal struggle. he is just not a compelling artist for me. to me there is no soul in his music and while he is a brilliant talker i can't find him a very convincing preacher because there just seems like there sounds to me a lack of honesty somewhere in what he spits about and not enough mic skills to make up for that or carry it off (like a dude like ice cube). sorry if that sounds like hate. i am still anticipating an album if it comes but other than a couple of tracks like Translator i just haven't heard him get the balance right.
no problem ;)
nah your post doesn't sound like hate at all; you're being honest ;)
i see what you're saying ;)
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:eh: bishop Lamont ain't really like 50 cent at all perhaps you have a misconception of his music?
sorry my post didn't really express what i was trying to say. using the example you used of 50 Cent - i am guessing he can be a compelling character to some because all he is is a cartoon character if that makes sense. the person he presents on the Mic is part- (or total) fiction, a series of film like stories which are entertainment in which he always plays the bad a*s superhero. 50 cent is not trying to (or can't) deliver a 360 degree version of who Curtis jackson is.
bishop presents himself on the Mic as a "real" person (whatever the f*ck that means).
he attempts to deliver a message whether that be as the saviour of hip-hop, a preacher of sorts etc.
but for me it is very difficult to listen to someone who is not that interesting musically where lyrically
he preaches without any real sense of a personal struggle. he is just not a compelling artist for me.
to me there is no soul in his music and while he is a brilliant talker i can't find him a very convincing
preacher because there just seems like there sounds to me a lack of honesty somewhere in what he
spits about and not enough Mic skills to make up for that or carry it off (like a dude like ice cube).
sorry if that sounds like hate. i am still anticipating an album if it comes but other than a couple of
tracks like Translator i just haven't heard him get the balance right.
yep,I sorta agree with. Maybe a better way to describe it is lack off passion in his delivery to be convincing?
That's what worries me too. So I see your point ;) I mean I was a HUGE BDP/KRS fan,but he kinda lost me around his
Sex and Violence album. :P (http://www.metrolyrics.com/images/albums/5585sexandviolence.jpg)
He went on his anti gangster crusade and with all his preaching he lost me,
the music came secondary and the message in focus.
I appreciate Bishop's effort though.
Anyway there's a thread about;
content VS flow here (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=187292.0) ;)
chad, to be totally honest with you and i know the dude is a legend but i could never listen to KRS1!!!!
Not sure when you came around...
but if I assume you came around in the 90īs,you might have got presented with KRS as this stuck up preaching hypocrite. Which is true :P ;) :laugh:.
But if you was around in the mid to late 80īs,how could you miss out on and not feel?;
BDP; Criminal Minded and BDP; By All Means Necessary?
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41J0M5DK5JL._SL500_AA240_.jpg)(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41B2F7KNPQL._SL500_AA240_.jpg)
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lol, like Dre's even writing his own rhymes.
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yep,I sorta agree with. Maybe a better way to describe it is lack off passion in his delivery to be convincing?
exactly lacking the passion and hunger of an Ice Cube.
Not sure when you came around...
but if I assume you came around in the 90īs,you might have got presented with KRS as this stuck up preaching hypocrite. Which is true :P ;) :laugh:.
But if you was around in the mid to late 80īs,how could you miss out on and not feel?;
BDP; Criminal Minded and BDP; By All Means Necessary?
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41J0M5DK5JL._SL500_AA240_.jpg)(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41B2F7KNPQL._SL500_AA240_.jpg)
i came around in the late 80s and all i listened to then to be honest was west coast gangster sh*t...
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Bishop doesnt really have that sex appeal that niggas like Snoop for example has.
Bishop is just a regular nigga. Dont nobody wanna hear that shit. At least get a bigger ass or something.
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Not sure when you came around...
but if I assume you came around in the 90īs,you might have got presented with KRS as this stuck up preaching hypocrite. Which is true :P ;) :laugh:.
But if you was around in the mid to late 80īs,how could you miss out on and not feel?;
BDP; Criminal Minded and BDP; By All Means Necessary?
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41J0M5DK5JL._SL500_AA240_.jpg)(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41B2F7KNPQL._SL500_AA240_.jpg)
i came around in the late 80s and all i listened to then to be honest was west coast gangster sh*t...
I see :laugh: :laugh:
At least I hope you have given them a chance ;)
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Word up to Lindon, props on your shit on bishop, i usually dig it. Musically the shit gotta sound good whatever sector/area of hiphop u place yourself in. Bishop is placing himself in a group where he is supposed to be 'mature' and real and saving hiphop etc but then he is putting himself in a group with the likes of legends like Nas and even Jigga (not a fan but i appreciate dude got mad skills) and past legends like Cube and lets be real...homie aint even released one album...okay the mixtapes he dropping for joke, but a cats career is defined through albums imo and in terms of skills, he really aint close to any of the others I mentioned in this thread. Ofcourse thats just my opinion but i dont really see it changing right now. Grow Up aint really doing nothing for me and I have heard some songs where bishop flows like a beast (Donkey Kong) but not enough for me.
I too look forward to the album and see what dre can cook up with this nigga but i see what lindon saying about whatever message you tryna put across, the music and flow and how you present it has to be right to because first n foremost, this is music.
Pz