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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Connection => Topic started by: ⠀ on March 11, 2022, 09:00:54 AM
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Sneed always played it super humble in interviews saying how his beats were wack and it was all Dre etc.. But unlike Dres other collabs I feel that what we heard labeled as Dre was actually 80% Sneed with 20% of Dres sprinkles and mixdown bringing it life. Listen:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOzLFpdQuG8
Thats the 80%. Good concepts with poor execution because its a demo rough cut. Here's what Dre polished up with some studio magic and skills:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WE1p7_KGjlY
I never listened to Sneed until recently but you can hear his style saturating his beats and the way he puts thing together is totally different to Dres other DR work.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2M2JyFMF1R8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nG_n93Qjr7E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlxOmYfvvuA
You can hear how he built his tracks from the bass up and left little room for anything else. Dre could pick it all apart, put it back together again and give it air and knock which is a skill.
Long story longer, Sneed produced Keep Their Heads Ringing, Natural Born Killaz and U Better Recognize as well as having his hands all over the stuff from the Exclusive Unreleased album that leaked of early Aftermath.
Don't believe? Listen to his earlier works and you'll feel the exact same groove and template:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZgKCP4ZDKU
Can you hear that late DR/early Aftermath vibe?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtmrgFp1oBo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRBxb37hBJo
Sneed was, and is, the secret behind the Death Row sound and he's the one that bought in Mel Man, Stu B Doo as well as giving Dre the next step of the blueprint that he initially sharked from ATL. Listen closely, tell me if you still think Dre produced this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiUSAuVIHWU
Listen closely to all the DR productions accredited to Dre that don't feature samples and you'll start to notice a pattern in them. The Exclusive album makes it even more obvious who was creating the sound.
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Don't come in with that beat maker vs producer thing either because we all know Dres skill isn't in creating something out of nothing but polishing a rough cut to a perfect shine. NBK is a perfect example of this because whilst the beat itself screams Sneed the arrangement, the breaks, the sprinkles are all Dre and that is why people who work with him don't sound the same without him.
The point is jacking of credit, taking the shine and selling dreams to people who can't tell whats what.
Just chill, listen to the beats he steals, shady deals enables he to make another mil... I think U better recognize...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-RWX1pUH0g
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_OlQv0EAEZq8/SrzoY1uy7bI/AAAAAAAAAAM/pvdy7qiQxa0/S1600-R/Haterade.gif)
Feelin thirsty breh?
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Nice post... "Recognize" still bangs and is one of the dopes joints ever. Dude is really talented, and I agree he was a major contributor and Dre's go-to for 94-96.
But where do you think Daz plays in all this. I mean you are saying Sneed was the man behind the Death Row sound, but what about Daz. What about Dogg Food album.
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Daz back in 92 was a very, very basic producer. Loop some drums, throw a sample on top and call it a beat. He's evolved since then and is quite proficient but the skill on Dogg Food wasn't 100% Daz.
I posted on this a while back with example but Quik added all the jazzy instruments and swing to the bare bones beats thats Daz made. Listen, not even closely because its so obvious when it comes to Quiks sound and layers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzmO-BNoUeU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xn-8YZ1p3A0
Percussion and drum programming is all Daz on these two but the production over the top is Quik. For reference, this is what a Daz beat sounds like dolo, fresh out of the lab:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZY-qJH4h8s
When Quik "engineers" he actually ends up lacing the beat 9/10. If he mods the percussion it becomes super obvious but if its just layers then its easier to hide but you can spot Quiks works because it always has a jazzy bounce/melody in contrast to Dres preferred staccato. Quik also has a tendency to overproduce a track as he just keeps laying it on because he's got the skill to mix it as well which is why his best work is often on other peoples tracks where he is more limited. Dre is the flip where he can take a basic 8 bar beat and produce it into a full song beyond the beatmakers wildest dreams.
The closest Daz came to getting this intricate was when he was working with Mike Dean because he's a beast in the studio and loves layers too. It takes a certain kind of ear to produce like that, usually if you're an engineer as you know about the overhead, fidelity and all that jazz.
Side note: This just popped up in recommended vids:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wf-JF7q7wxI
Now, if you'll excuse me it must be C Walk O'clock.
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Sam Sneed has said he made the the original beats for "Natural Born Killaz" and "Keep Their Heads Ringing". We already know that. He had nothing to do with the remix of "MWTC" though.
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Listen to not only the beat but concept of the Lady of Rage track and do the math, Aftermath. (https://i.imgur.com/BsrL433.png)
Interesting he put it out there though, do you have a link to the interview?
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Sam Sneed Beats, J-Flexx Lyrics = "Dr.Dre"
Daz was TOP NOTCH on Dogg Food & overall hes a dope Producer.
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Recorded 'Recognize' of the radio once onto tape, played the cassette in a freinds car alpine and he couldnt believe how clean it sounded 8)
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Sam Sneed Beats, J-Flexx Lyrics = "Dr.Dre"
Daz was TOP NOTCH on Dogg Food & overall hes a dope Producer.
Retalliation..by Daz is like Dogg Food 2 for me.
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Retalliation..by Daz is like Dogg Food 2 for me.
Definitely. Crazy Lineup.
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Sam Sneed Beats, J-Flexx Lyrics = "Dr.Dre"
Daz was TOP NOTCH on Dogg Food & overall hes a dope Producer.
You really think "Dogg Food" was all Daz? Come on now. I know you not serious.
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You really think "Dogg Food" was all Daz? Come on now. I know you not serious.
Maybe not all Daz but DRE almost NO INVOLVMENT PRODUCTIONWISE besides Mixing,etc.
Sure people like Emmanuel Dean & Overdose helped ... that's two I can think of rn.
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sneed is dope but he is also a realist .. he knows that although he was a great beatmaker, it took someone like dre to truly bring the best out of him and make his beats pop. that’s why anytime u talk to sneed, even if u hit him up on twitter today, he will tell u the same thing. dre took dope beats and turned them into classix with his attention to detail.
daz is not as musically developed as sneed, yet he is the opposite of sneed when it comes to humility. he will take credit for beats dre produced because he came up wit a simple drum loop or found a dope sample to chop up for it.
btw not sure where u get the idea that quik did dogg food.. dre ghost produced a majority of that album.
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Maybe not all Daz but DRE almost NO INVOLVMENT PRODUCTIONWISE besides Mixing,etc.
Sure people like Emmanuel Dean & Overdose helped ... that's two I can think of rn.
snoop said dre helped with production on dogg food but he is not credited for. who knows
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On my 1st press of Dogg Food on the back cover it stands "EXECUTIVE PRODUCERS: SUGE KNIGHT AND DR.DRE".
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On my 1st press of Dogg Food on the back cover it stands "EXECUTIVE PRODUCERS: SUGE KNIGHT AND DR.DRE".
yeah but we talk about production in the music process.
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Long story longer, Sneed produced Keep Their Heads Ringing, Natural Born Killaz and U Better Recognize as well as having his hands all over the stuff from the Exclusive Unreleased album that leaked of early Aftermath.
What's that? What exclusive unreleased album from early Aftermath?
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Long story longer, Sneed produced Keep Their Heads Ringing, Natural Born Killaz and U Better Recognize as well as having his hands all over the stuff from the Exclusive Unreleased album that leaked of early Aftermath.
What's that? What exclusive unreleased album from early Aftermath?
no he didn’t
he helped make the beat
dre produced it
2 diff things
u can say he co-produced it, at best
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snoop said dre helped with production on dogg food but he is not credited for. who knows
Well Dre is credited in the official liner notes with mixing every song. He probably mixed and sequenced the entire album (except I think Dre's homie Pooh did everything for "New York, New York").
Maybe Dre could've even taken the production credits (except New York New York) on Dogg Food as well but it wasn't good marketing to have Dre put any more shade over Daz instead boosted Dogg Pound's cred and image and it was their platform and their moment to showcase themselves to the world so it was important for Daz to get those props as producer of the album.
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snoop said dre helped with production on dogg food but he is not credited for. who knows
How can you uncredited on the album you execute produced while you co own the company?
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Well Dre is credited in the official liner notes with mixing every song. He probably mixed and sequenced the entire album (except I think Dre's homie Pooh did everything for "New York, New York").
Maybe Dre could've even taken the production credits (except New York New York) on Dogg Food as well but it wasn't good marketing to have Dre put any more shade over Daz instead boosted Dogg Pound's cred and image and it was their platform and their moment to showcase themselves to the world so it was important for Daz to get those props as producer of the album.
So Dre gave the Shine on that One but yet Daz still crying about Dre stealing Credit?
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Well Dre is credited in the official liner notes with mixing every song. He probably mixed and sequenced the entire album (except I think Dre's homie Pooh did everything for "New York, New York").
Maybe Dre could've even taken the production credits (except New York New York) on Dogg Food as well but it wasn't good marketing to have Dre put any more shade over Daz instead boosted Dogg Pound's cred and image and it was their platform and their moment to showcase themselves to the world so it was important for Daz to get those props as producer of the album.
exactly
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How can you uncredited on the album you execute produced while you co own the company?
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a favor to daz for not being credited on doggystyle
a way to help build the dogg pound brand
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How can you uncredited on the album you execute produced while you co own the company?
he is credited on each song as "mixed by dr. dre". i have no doubt dre co produced a few songs too.
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he is credited on each song as "mixed by dr. dre". i have no doubt dre co produced a few songs too.
Wasn't it a period when Dre was getting ready to leave DR? Maybe that's the reason he didn't get too much credits on Dogg Food?
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Sam Sneed did "I Smell Pussy" of G-Unit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-XFeCxlmds
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a favor to daz for not being credited on doggystyle
a way to help build the dogg pound brand
Dre was actually interviewed at the Murder Was the Case video shoot and they asked him what albums were in the works and he said Round 2 basically of Snoop and Dre. So a follow up to the Chronic or Snoop's follow up to Doggystyle.
This has been mentioned in many articles and interviews that Daz just kept kind of plugging away, plugging and then it came as a slight surprise to Dre and Suge when they saw what Daz had in the chamber for a Dogg Food album. I mean Dre was still down with Death Row and in the building in those days so he was around for the foundations of Dogg Food before it was even called Dogg Food; like when it was just them fuccing around and trying to make dope shit in the studio not yet even under an official title or project yet...
Then it started to build to the point where Dogg Pound had enough there that Suge went ahead and greenlighted the project and he believed in Daz and Kurupt.. and Dre went in and put his midas touch on it and mixed and sequenced and they had full backing from the label and it went on to become another great, classic successful Death Row project.
...but long story short, getting back to the album credits situation Dre was more flexing his muscles on Chronic and Doggystyle and it wasn't really a big deal for him to spotlight Daz in the credits. It wasn't even until after the Murder Was the Case project that they really started realizing Daz and Kurupt had enough there to really get their full props and attention and the rest is history
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Dre was actually interviewed at the Murder Was the Case video shoot and they asked him what albums were in the works and he said Round 2 basically of Snoop and Dre. So a follow up to the Chronic or Snoop's follow up to Doggystyle.
This has been mentioned in many articles and interviews that Daz just kept kind of plugging away, plugging and then it came as a slight surprise to Dre and Suge when they saw what Daz had in the chamber for a Dogg Food album. I mean Dre was still down with Death Row and in the building in those days so he was around for the foundations of Dogg Food before it was even called Dogg Food; like when it was just them fuccing around and trying to make dope shit in the studio not yet even under an official title or project yet...
Then it started to build to the point where Dogg Pound had enough there that Suge went ahead and greenlighted the project and he believed in Daz and Kurupt.. and Dre went in and put his midas touch on it and mixed and sequenced and they had full backing from the label and it went on to become another great, classic successful Death Row project.
...but long story short, getting back to the album credits situation Dre was more flexing his muscles on Chronic and Doggystyle and it wasn't really a big deal for him to spotlight Daz in the credits. It wasn't even until after the Murder Was the Case project that they really started realizing Daz and Kurupt had enough their to really get their full spotlight and shine and the rest is history
Yeah, a lot of the beats on "Dogg Food" were old from the sessions that Dr. Dre was producing.
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Yeah, a lot of the beats on "Dogg Food" were old from the sessions that Dr. Dre was producing.
Right.. I see the Dogg Food album as three phases...
1. Like leftover tracks, ideas, and sessions from the Chronic-Doggystyle-Murder Was the Case period when Dre was really heavy in the building and laying the foundation for the signature Death Row sound....
2. Middle period was like Daz really taking the sounds and styles that were around at Death Row and plugging away and just building and building and him and Kurupt compiling a lot of dopeness, they said on BET RapCity that they actually recorded like a 100 tracks to choose from for Dogg Food
3. Then final period it got greenlighted by Suge and Dre came in to put the Midas Touch and mix and they also took some of whatever Nate or Rage or Tray Dee, even Snoop were doing and added and mixed in those tracks to the album as well, like stuff they were doing at the label that was dope but not necassarily designated for a specific album got worked over for the Dogg Food album, they probably brought in DJ Pooh at that point as well and he added his gem and they all came together to put the finishing touches and make it a complete project
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Long story longer, Sneed produced Keep Their Heads Ringing, Natural Born Killaz and U Better Recognize as well as having his hands all over the stuff from the Exclusive Unreleased album that leaked of early Aftermath.
Could somebody explain to me what this "Exclusive Unreleased album that leaked of early Aftermath" is?
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Could somebody explain to me what this "Exclusive Unreleased album that leaked of early Aftermath" is?
A bootleg compilation of songs from the early stages of Aftermath plus a few Death Row songs.
https://www.discogs.com/release/14440338-Dr-Dre-Exclusive
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The Million $ Question:
Is there a Video for "Respect" DPG/Prince Ital Joe
Some claim they saw a Video Interview of a TV Show where Kirupt says "we just shot a Video to "Respect"
To remind d yall how nuts this cut is:
https://youtu.be/n7VnuubJdZ0
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The Million $ Question:
Is there a Video for "Respect" DPG/Prince Ital Joe
Some claim they saw a Video Interview of a TV Show where Kirupt says "we just shot a Video to "Respect"
Some claim, huh? The video is probably on Youtube where Kurupt says that. I've seen it too. Who knows if he meant another song though?