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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: Ras Kass' Toothpick on November 12, 2004, 06:35:38 PM
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He's joined the underachievers club with Method Man and Jay-Z. He has all the skill in the world but has trouble putting it to good use.
The first problem is easy to solve. STOP MAKING THESE 20 TRACK ALBUMS. Cut them to 12 tracks and the albums will improve greatly.
The second problem is having these useless skits. I don't know about you but "Paul (skit)" will be fast forwarded everytime I hit it. These skits are completely useless and add nothing to the album.
The third problem is content. I thought he's said everything he's had to say about Benzino/Kim/Halie/etc. Enough of it, (but I do like "Mockingbird") try some storytelling, some concept records or other themes/topics. Try studying a Nas CD.
I can't really explain his other problems properly but he still needs some adjustments in other areas. It seems he was on the same mindset with this album as he was with D12 World. These albums are similar to me but Encore is better.
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no his problem is he's not growing as an artist. he can get away with puttin out the same album cuz his dickridin groupies gone buy it and say its hot reguardless of how much it suck
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I think he grew a lot from his SSLP days. Not with this album, but with Em Show he was very serious for a lot of the songs.
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You dont think hes grown as an artist?
Listen to the SSLP and then listen to the EMShow.
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try some storytelling, some concept records or other themes/topics. Try studying a Nas CD.
Dunno if Eminem on some abstract multi-religious "I could be Jesus" shit would be a good idea.. :-\
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I mean listen to a Nas CD because he mixes up his content, gives you variety and does it very well.
Just look at God's Son..."Dance", "Book Of Rhymes", "Last Real Nigga Alive", "I Can", "Get Down", etc.
Versatility
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You dont think hes grown as an artist?
Listen to the SSLP and then listen to the EMShow.
yeah from SSLP to The Eminem Show he did. but back in the SSLP Em was flow hella rapid, he sounded hungry. after that, he was just sayin shiet to make people mad. Eminem Show he grew but now...4th album...still talkin about his mom, girl, daughter, how tough his life was. like homie said he need to take notes from Nas
try some storytelling, some concept records or other themes/topics. Try studying a Nas CD.
Dunno if Eminem on some abstract multi-religious "I could be Jesus" shit would be a good idea.. :-\
lol funny I guess you can find wrong in any artist beefin with 50 huh?
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The first problem is easy to solve. STOP MAKING THESE 20 TRACK ALBUMS. Cut them to 12 tracks and the albums will improve greatly.
i agree. just look at 3:16 the 9th edition: 10 tracks and every single one is dope. fuck fillers. most of them are just an opportunity for the label to introduce some wack ass rappers... >:(
The second problem is having these useless skits.
while there might be a few skits which are able to support the following track in a positive way by setting the atmosphere, the majority seems to be total crap.
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Yeah, some new topics could definitely help him. But it ain't that easy to just come up with some cool concept for a song that suits him too.
Encore is kinda weird in my opinion... Tracks like Never Enough, Mosh (that grew on me like a muthafucka), Yellow Brick Road, Like Toy Soldiers, Encore and Mockingbird are on that high Eminem standard (although, as it was said, some tracks suffer from the same ol' topics he used to do). Then the middle of the album is complete shit - not just on Eminem's standards, but in general - Big Weenie, Just Lose It, My 1st Single, Rain Man, complete shit. (Apart from Rain Man's beat, Dre did a good job there). Then there's some mediocre stuff, that's nowhere near Em's best material though. It's kinda funny, a couple tracks like Never Enough and Encore I absolutely love, some stuff is filler and the rest is absolute garbage.
Maybe if he took a couple years off from rapping, just manage the label and hone his production skills, then come back - then we might hear something special. It might be, as it was put at MTV.com, that Em has entered a "comfort zone".
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let da man do wat he does, its crazy how ppl kan hate or tell sum1 wat dey need 2 do wit they talent. take it how eva u want it, but wud u ratha have me diss u or wud u ratha sell 7,000,000 albums???
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skits and fillers are problems on almost every rap album coming out these days.
it's no particular Em-Thang.
his main problem is that his heart is not in it.
yellow brick road and like toy soldiers are the only tracks with good rap verses by Em.
plus he should stop that funny rain man like stuff, cause it sucks. and of course he shouldnt burp, fart, rap like a crazy ass indian and shit like that.
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^ seriosuly... and what pisses me off is almost ALL my friends.. are like.. i dunno why u dont like this album.. its so good.. its so funny..
if i want funny ill go watch dave chappelle.. im trying to hear skill, good beat, good lyrics, something intresting, something new.. and he dint do any of those on most of the track
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plus he should stop that funny rain man like stuff, cause it sucks. and of course he shouldnt burp, fart, rap like a crazy ass indian and shit like that.
Hell yeah. The farting, burping, over use of accents and the retarted tantrum sounds are most likely the stupidest things I've ever heard on a rap CD.
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lol i just made a cd of 30 underground eminem tracks and freestyles. If you say TES' type raps are more entertaining than ones on We shine or Green and Gold you got some serious problems. U hear the track and are like wow. I havent done that to an Eminem song in years.
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lol i just made a cd of 30 underground eminem tracks and freestyles. If you say TES' type raps are more entertaining than ones on We shine or Green and Gold you got some serious problems. U hear the track and are like wow. I havent done that to an Eminem song in years.
we shine? green and gold?
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cut these tracks off encore and u have a good album
my 1st single
big weenie
just lose it
ass like that
None of these songs add anything to the album, the content on them is poor . u dont learn anything about m from them they r just childish. He dont need to make songs for kids he has so much power in the pop world he dont need a catchy childish song.
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^^^ There you go. You cut those four songs and the four useless skits and you find yourself with a very good album.
01 Evil Deeds
02 Never Enough
03 Yellow Brick Road
04 Like Toy Soldiers
05 Mosh
06 Puke
07 Rain Man
08 Spend Some Time
09 Mockingbird
10 Crazy in Love
11 One Shot 2 Shot
12 Encore
Doesn't that look a lot better? It's so damn easy, I wish I could executive produce an album.
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^ i still wouldnt say very good album ...
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I might be jumping the gun on my opinions on this LP. I'm only at the start of my second listen right now.
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^^^ There you go.═ You cut those four songs and the four useless skits and you find yourself with a very good album.
01 Evil Deeds
02 Never Enough
03 Yellow Brick Road
04 Like Toy Soldiers
05 Mosh
06 Puke
07 Rain Man
08 Spend Some Time
09 Mockingbird
10 Crazy in Love
11 One Shot 2 Shot
12 Encore
Doesn't that look a lot better?═ It's so damn easy, I wish I could executive produce an album.
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try some storytelling, some concept records or other themes/topics. Try studying a Nas CD.
Dunno if Eminem on some abstract multi-religious "I could be Jesus" shit would be a good idea.. :-\
couldn't agree more. i'm so tired of hearin nas suck his own dick.
about em though, yeah, this album really sucks. let's just hope he learns something from it and comes with fire next time. this album is garbage.
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I might be jumping the gun on my opinions on this LP. I'm only at the start of my second listen right now.
same as ive only listened twice
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his rapping? go back to the wordplay and normal flow. get rid of the forced flow and multis. its disgusting. no one will ever surpass g rap, just quit trying.
production? get good production. stop producing yourself, you suck. pay someone like alchemist to do your shit. slim shady + alc :o before you could depend on dre, hes at the end of his road. this is his biggest problem. i think it was del(pre-nerd form) who said "i remember when i was satisfied with just lyrics, now if the musics flat, i can barely stand to hear it"
content? if you're going to make a "humor" song, at least make it good. no one cares about your relationship with kim anymore. you sound like a simp.
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We shine and green and gold are underground em joints
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^^^ There you go.═ You cut those four songs and the four useless skits and you find yourself with a very good album.
01 Evil Deeds
02 Never Enough
03 Yellow Brick Road
04 Like Toy Soldiers
05 Mosh
06 Puke
07 Rain Man
08 Spend Some Time
09 Mockingbird
10 Crazy in Love
11 One Shot 2 Shot
12 Encore
Doesn't that look a lot better?═ It's so damn easy, I wish I could executive produce an album.
whiteboy,u have to be the biggest fag i have ever seen on a hiphop forum.
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hahahahah
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um.. alright.. ???
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^^^ There you go.═ You cut those four songs and the four useless skits and you find yourself with a very good album.
01 Evil Deeds
02 Never Enough
03 Yellow Brick Road
04 Like Toy Soldiers
05 Mosh
06 Puke
07 Rain Man
08 Spend Some Time
09 Mockingbird
10 Crazy in Love
11 One Shot 2 Shot
12 Encore
Doesn't that look a lot better?═ It's so damn easy, I wish I could executive produce an album.
whiteboy,u have to be the biggest fag i have ever seen on a hiphop forum.
Im a true Eminem - Fan and I also don't mind Necro.
But still I cannot stand Eminem&Necro dicksuckers like you.
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fuck u and your mom.
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You dont think hes grown as an artist?
Listen to the SSLP and then listen to the EMShow.
theres a different mood. that doesnt mean he's grown. he needs to realize what he's best at. what makes him different from other MC's - his funny storytelling tracks like brain damage, root down etc.
he needs to keep that formula and eveolve it. like gangstarr said...."we have certain formula's...we just update them with the times...but its still guru and premier"
peace
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lol funny I guess you can find wrong in any artist beefin with 50 huh?
LMAO @ you bringing 50 Cent into every topic that doesn't even remotely have anything to do with him. Get off his dick, you're obsessed.
I've been saying it since Stillmatic dropped:
There's nothing wrong in being a atheist who can't decide which religion to choose, but I've been tired of the religious talk ever since Stillmatic dropped, especially when he declares himself Jesus and God in the same person, & the constant self-praise like he's a holy symbol above everybody else.
It doesn't look like he's getting away from it on the new album either.
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lol funny I guess you can find wrong in any artist beefin with 50 huh?
LMAO @ you bringing 50 Cent into every topic that doesn't even remotely have anything to do with him. Get off his dick, you're obsessed.
I've been saying it since Stillmatic dropped:
There's nothing wrong in being a atheist who can't decide which religion to choose, but I've been tired of the religious talk ever since Stillmatic dropped, especially when he declares himself Jesus and God in the same person, & the constant self-praise like he's a holy symbol above everybody else.
It doesn't look like he's getting away from it on the new album either.
yea, he's ridiculous.
"I only give 10%, that's why Im best"
LMFAO
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back to the topic...
looks like this album is gonna move serious units, i dunno bout the US but reportedly he's shifted close to 300,000 copies in the first 2 days of release in the UK... :o
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reportedly he's shifted close to 300,000 copies in the first 2 days of release in the UK... :o
Shit, that's a lot!
It's a lazy album but it's not total shit. The problem is that its versatility also makes it inconsistent - you have to listen to half the tracks as serious statements but then switch completely and listen to the others as novelty records. It makes it a frustrating listening experience >:(
Gotta say though - I honestly find 'Just Lose It' and 'My First Single' amusing. If you hear them for what they are - comedy tracks - and don't get angry that Em isn't flexing his talent as an MC on them, they're hilarious IMO. The bit on 'My First Single' where he's talking about The Source getting a tape of Britney and Justin and thinking Justing tried to blank the word 'nigga' is class.
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I hope it only sells like 5 mio.. it would be horrible if it went up to 9 mio.. then he probably wouldnt learn from it and keep making such heartless albums :(
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^^^ There you go.═ You cut those four songs and the four useless skits and you find yourself with a very good album.
01 Evil Deeds
02 Never Enough
03 Yellow Brick Road
04 Like Toy Soldiers
05 Mosh
06 Puke
07 Rain Man
08 Spend Some Time
09 Mockingbird
10 Crazy in Love
11 One Shot 2 Shot
12 Encore
Doesn't that look a lot better?═ It's so damn easy, I wish I could executive produce an album.
whiteboy,u have to be the biggest fag i have ever seen on a hiphop forum.
word, whiteboy stop hating this album.