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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: Noname on February 23, 2007, 11:26:28 AM
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So lets finally do this. Were gonna start at the Goalkeepers, give your top 5 GOAT goalkeepers. #1 is 5 points #2 is 4 points and so on.
So get in here and give your top 5 goalkeepers.
So far we got:
01 - Lev Yashin
02 - Dino Zoff
03 - Peter Schmeichel
04 - Gordon Banks
05 - Sepp Maier
1 Gordon Banks (english)
2 Dino Zoff (Italian)
3 Peter Schemichael (denmark)
4 Buffon (Italain)
5 Sepp Maier (German)
1 - Lev Yashin (RUS)
2 - Gordon Banks (ENG)
3 - Sepp Maier (GER)
4 - Pat Jennings (NIR)
5 - Andy Goram (SCO)
1 Peter Schmeichel
2 Edwin Van Der Sar
3 Dino Zoff
4 Chilavert
5 Buffon
1) Schmeichel
2) Zoff
3) Banks
4) Buffon
5) Kahn
1) Schmeichel
2) Buffon
3) Peruzzi
4) Packie Bonner
5) Kahn
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Goalkeepers is probably the hardest option for me to choose on, but heres my 5:
Gordon Banks (english)
Dino Zoff (Italian)
Peter Schemichael (denmark)
Buffon (Italain)
Sepp Maier (German)
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OK so this is your top 5?
gordon banks #1?
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OK so this is your top 5?
gordon banks #1?
yeah this is my top 5, and yeah it goes in the order as gordon banks #1 mate
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unless you like to suck old men dick Kahn=GOAT
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Why 5? How is that even gunna work with 1 vs. 1 polls?...It's supposed to be 10, then you make 5 1 vs. 1 polls according to the 10 with the most votes. LOL, why don't you just look at the way Jake did it like I've BEEN telling you?
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Jorge Campos (Mexico)
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It's hard to judge old vs new because football has improved so much but here goes:
01 - Lev Yashin
02 - Dino Zoff
03 - Peter Schmeichel
04 - Gordon Banks
05 - Sepp Maier
06 - Oliver Kahn
07 - Jose Luis Chilavert
08 - Gianluigi Buffon
09 - Ricardo Zamora
10 - Amadeo Carrizo
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i'll always be partial to this kid juan who use to play goalie back in the old neighborhood.
<----don't know any pro goalies
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It's hard to judge old vs new because football has improved so much but here goes:
01 - Lev Yashin
02 - Dino Zoff
03 - Peter Schmeichel
04 - Gordon Banks
05 - Sepp Maier
06 - Oliver Kahn
07 - Jose Luis Chilavert
08 - Gianluigi Buffon
09 - Ricardo Zamora
10 - Amadeo Carrizo
oh yeh i forgot bout that old soviet keeper lev yashin.
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Why 5? How is that even gunna work with 1 vs. 1 polls?...It's supposed to be 10, then you make 5 1 vs. 1 polls according to the 10 with the most votes. LOL, why don't you just look at the way Jake did it like I've BEEN telling you?
or maybe we'll just do it the way we wanna, like someone said before aint asif you give a shit about football anyway
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Very difficult position to choose from, this is based on players I have seen with my own eyes and others that I have seen video's of
1 - Lev Yashin (RUS)
2 - Gordon Banks (ENG)
3 - Sepp Maier (GER)
4 - Pat Jennings (NIR)
5 - Andy Goram (SCO)
6 - Peter Schmeichel (DEN)
7 - Iker Casillas (ESP)
8 - Gianluigi Buffon (ITA)
9 - Neville Southall (WAL)
10 - Peter Shilton (ENG)
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Why 5? How is that even gunna work with 1 vs. 1 polls?...It's supposed to be 10, then you make 5 1 vs. 1 polls according to the 10 with the most votes. LOL, why don't you just look at the way Jake did it like I've BEEN telling you?
or maybe we'll just do it the way we wanna, like someone said before aint asif you give a shit about football anyway
Okay, do it how you want, what do I give a fuck?...I'm just a mod tryna help yall make this thing official for the WCC HOF....If you whacky Europeans wanna find a way to make 1 vs 1 polls out of 5 selections, knock yourselves out!
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Why 5? How is that even gunna work with 1 vs. 1 polls?...It's supposed to be 10, then you make 5 1 vs. 1 polls according to the 10 with the most votes. LOL, why don't you just look at the way Jake did it like I've BEEN telling you?
or maybe we'll just do it the way we wanna, like someone said before aint asif you give a shit about football anyway
Okay, do it how you want, what do I give a fuck?...I'm just a mod tryna help yall make this thing official for the WCC HOF....If you whacky Europeans wanna find a way to make 1 vs 1 polls out of 5 selections, knock yourselves out!
lol, the life of a mod must be such an honour
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Why 5? How is that even gunna work with 1 vs. 1 polls?...It's supposed to be 10, then you make 5 1 vs. 1 polls according to the 10 with the most votes. LOL, why don't you just look at the way Jake did it like I've BEEN telling you?
or maybe we'll just do it the way we wanna, like someone said before aint asif you give a shit about football anyway
Okay, do it how you want, what do I give a fuck?...I'm just a mod tryna help yall make this thing official for the WCC HOF....If you whacky Europeans wanna find a way to make 1 vs 1 polls out of 5 selections, knock yourselves out!
lol, the life of a mod must be such an honour
Yea...I'm jackin' it to the thought of being a mod as we speak.
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Whats the fucking problem. Were not gonna do 1vs1 polls.
This is the last time im gonna explain this. People need to give a TOP 5. Where #1 is 5 points #2 is 4 points and so on. After that the 2 players with the most votes,
advance to the final thread. Where there will be ONE 1vs1 poll. So the #1 Goes against the #2. Aint nothing difficult about this.
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^ +1
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1 Peter Schmeichel
2 Edwin Van Der Sar
3 Dino Zoff
4 Chilavert
5 Buffon
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Whats the fucking problem. Were not gonna do 1vs1 polls.
This is the last time im gonna explain this. People need to give a TOP 5. Where #1 is 5 points #2 is 4 points and so on. After that the 2 players with the most votes,
advance to the final thread. Where there will be ONE 1vs1 poll. So the #1 Goes against the #2. Aint nothing difficult about this.
Then it's not even a tourny/competition...Whatever though. Like I said, do it how ya'll want, I was just giving suggestions...PeACe
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"It's supposed to be 10, then you make 5 1 vs. 1 polls according to the 10 with the most votes. LOL, why don't you just look at the way Jake did it like I've BEEN telling you?"
Sounds more like a command than a suggestion
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"It's supposed to be 10, then you make 5 1 vs. 1 polls according to the 10 with the most votes. LOL, why don't you just look at the way Jake did it like I've BEEN telling you?"
Sounds more like a command than a suggestion
Command? what did I command? I was telling them how it's originally done. Like I give a fuck how they choose to do this shit... ::)
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"It's supposed to be 10, then you make 5 1 vs. 1 polls according to the 10 with the most votes. LOL, why don't you just look at the way Jake did it like I've BEEN telling you?"
Sounds more like a command than a suggestion
Command? what did I command? I was telling them how it's originally done. Like I give a fuck how they choose to do this shit... ::)
dont lie, your catching huge feelings from the way were doing things lol ;D
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So far only 4 people voted...
Just ignore NIK and VOTE
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1) Schmeichel
2) Zoff
3) Banks
4) Buffon
5) Kahn
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Just ignore NIK and VOTE
No need to get upset over my suggestions...
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See this is where the problem lies regarding picking our G.O.A.T.'s.
In my opinion there should be no doubt that Lev Yashin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lev_Yashin) is the G.G.O.A.T.
But we're actually in the situation right now where more people have not placed him in their WHOLE TOP 5 than people who have.
I mean I understand that this is a poll, a voting system, whatever.
But some positions should speak for themselves.
He is the ONLY goalkeeper ever to have won the title of European Footballer of the Year.
He is reported to have saved more than 150 penalties in his career - no-one has ever come close to equalling that.
And apart from those facts, he was actually voted by experts as the The World's Best Goalkeeper of the Century (http://www.iffhs.de/?b40f8ca85bd0e027e8f05f04f02788342b90c443ccb40385fdcdc3bfcdc0aec70aeedb8a3f0e03790c443e0f40390400)
I mean if we award the 2 DC spots and Franz Beckenbauer isn't one of them, then something again has gone terribly wrong.
Is anyone else feeling me on this?
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1) Schmeichel
2) Buffon
3) Peruzzi
4) Packie Bonner :)
5) Kahn
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See this is where the problem lies regarding picking our G.O.A.T.'s.
In my opinion there should be no doubt that Lev Yashin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lev_Yashin) is the G.G.O.A.T.
But we're actually in the situation right now where more people have not placed him in their WHOLE TOP 5 than people who have.
I mean I understand that this is a poll, a voting system, whatever.
But some positions should speak for themselves.
He is the ONLY goalkeeper ever to have won the title of European Footballer of the Year.
He is reported to have saved more than 150 penalties in his career - no-one has ever come close to equalling that.
And apart from those facts, he was actually voted by experts as the The World's Best Goalkeeper of the Century (http://www.iffhs.de/?b40f8ca85bd0e027e8f05f04f02788342b90c443ccb40385fdcdc3bfcdc0aec70aeedb8a3f0e03790c443e0f40390400)
I mean if we award the 2 DC spots and Franz Beckenbauer isn't one of them, then something again has gone terribly wrong.
Is anyone else feeling me on this?
I understand what youre saying, its the same thing we were saying before we started this.
But the thing is why i didnt vote for him, cuz i dont know nothing about him. I never saw him play or whatever. So if i would pick him it would be only because of reputation.
At least i saw Pele, Maradona etc playing.
We shouldve picked a year, like we said before 1990 or something.
We already started this so we should better finish it first.
But i agree with you on this. And offcourse people got favorites cuz of their country or club. So its difficult to make a legit GOAT team.
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I was thinking about this, and youre right. It is to hard to make an alltime GOAT team. I say we start over again from 1990 (or something). Cuz we only at the gk now, so we still have the chance.
And we should pick players we have actually seen play in real life.
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I was thinking about this, and youre right. It is to hard to make an alltime GOAT team. I say we start over again from 1990 (or something). Cuz we only at the gk now, so we still have the chance.
And we should pick players we have actually seen play in real life.
id agree with that, you wouldnt really need to start again just take out those keepers who were before 1990 ?
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I don't think that 1990 is early enough, the number of great players before this time outweighs the great players after it IMO
If we are to choose a year what about sometime in the 70's? I would think that most people would have a good knowledge of players from this era and beyond
If we do choose after a certain time period then I think that people should redo their lists
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yeh i expressed the suggestion that an all time team would be difficult to do.. so im behind doin a goat from the last 30 years, since im only 20 theres not many players i know too well from the 60'70's besides the obvious greats, but im down for this.
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I think this whole thing is ridiculous...You guys can't even come up with a list of greatest players by position. It shouldn't be that hard... You obviously don't know enough of the history in your own favorite sport to make lists like these...Do you guys really think a majority of WCC has seen Oscar Robertson or Bob Cousy playing basketball? LOL@1990+ HOF. :-\
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I think this whole thing is ridiculous...You guys can't even come up with a list of greatest players by position. It shouldn't be that hard... You obviously don't know enough of the history in your own favorite sport to make lists like these...Do you guys really think a majority of WCC has seen Oscar Robertson or Bob Cousy playing basketball? LOL@1990+ HOF. :-\
Like someone else has already pointed out football is a huge worldwide sport that started back in 18 hundreds. There has been billions of players, its difficult enough to make a goat team out of players who played for one club over a hundred year period let alone the whole world over 150 years. Its a lot easier to make a goat basketball team as all the good players play in one country where you can watch the games. I personally dont have enough time to watch all the games from, england, spain, italy, argentina, mexico, france, brazil over the last 150 years.
Someone who is 60 is gonna have a completly different list to someone who is 20 . If i aint seen footage of someone then im not putting them in my list.
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I think this whole thing is ridiculous...You guys can't even come up with a list of greatest players by position. It shouldn't be that hard... You obviously don't know enough of the history in your own favorite sport to make lists like these...Do you guys really think a majority of WCC has seen Oscar Robertson or Bob Cousy playing basketball? LOL@1990+ HOF. :-\
Like someone else has already pointed out football is a huge worldwide sport that started back in 18 hundreds. There has been billions of players, its difficult enough to make a goat team out of players who played for one club over a hundred year period let alone the whole world over 150 years. Its a lot easier to make a goat basketball team as all the good players play in one country where you can watch the games. I personally dont have enough time to watch all the games from, england, spain, italy, argentina, mexico, france, brazil over the last 150 years.
Someone who is 60 is gonna have a completly different list to someone who is 20 . If i aint seen footage of someone then im not putting them in my list.
well said mate..
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I think this whole thing is ridiculous...You guys can't even come up with a list of greatest players by position. It shouldn't be that hard... You obviously don't know enough of the history in your own favorite sport to make lists like these...Do you guys really think a majority of WCC has seen Oscar Robertson or Bob Cousy playing basketball? LOL@1990+ HOF. :-\
come on dude just hush up and quit making igorant posts in this thread.. we've explained why we want to do it our way and it makes sence, just let us do our bizness on this topic
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I think this whole thing is ridiculous...You guys can't even come up with a list of greatest players by position. It shouldn't be that hard... You obviously don't know enough of the history in your own favorite sport to make lists like these...Do you guys really think a majority of WCC has seen Oscar Robertson or Bob Cousy playing basketball? LOL@1990+ HOF. :-\
Like someone else has already pointed out football is a huge worldwide sport that started back in 18 hundreds. There has been billions of players, its difficult enough to make a goat team out of players who played for one club over a hundred year period let alone the whole world over 150 years. Its a lot easier to make a goat basketball team as all the good players play in one country where you can watch the games. I personally dont have enough time to watch all the games from, england, spain, italy, argentina, mexico, france, brazil over the last 150 years.
Someone who is 60 is gonna have a completly different list to someone who is 20 . If i aint seen footage of someone then im not putting them in my list.
So you're telling me that there can't be a way to pick from a list of all-time greats your top 5 goalies? You should know enough about the history of the sport to understand who can be argued number 1 material and who can't. Even if you haven't seen them play, you should know enough based on stats, history, word of mouth, etc...I don't think it's as difficult as you guys are making it out to be. It doesn't have to be the undisputed best goalie ever, that's why it's called WCC'S Hall of Fame...
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I think this whole thing is ridiculous...You guys can't even come up with a list of greatest players by position. It shouldn't be that hard... You obviously don't know enough of the history in your own favorite sport to make lists like these...Do you guys really think a majority of WCC has seen Oscar Robertson or Bob Cousy playing basketball? LOL@1990+ HOF. :-\
come on dude just hush up and quit making igorant posts in this thread.. we've explained why we want to do it our way and it makes sence, just let us do our bizness on this topic
I'm allowed to give my opinion, kid. And since when is giving your opinion an ignorant act? :-X
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I think this whole thing is ridiculous...You guys can't even come up with a list of greatest players by position. It shouldn't be that hard... You obviously don't know enough of the history in your own favorite sport to make lists like these...Do you guys really think a majority of WCC has seen Oscar Robertson or Bob Cousy playing basketball? LOL@1990+ HOF. :-\
come on dude just hush up and quit making igorant posts in this thread.. we've explained why we want to do it our way and it makes sence, just let us do our bizness on this topic
I'm allowed to give my opinion, kid. And since when is giving your opinion an ignorant act? :-X
i didnt say your opinion couldnt be given... but i just see comments such as "You obviously don't know enough of the history in your own favorite sport to make lists like these."
as ignorant because you know nothing about the history and culture of football, and like what was xplained before football spans many more time eras, players, countries and competitions then basketball, american football has etc. So just because you feel you have the knowledge to talk about some great player who played in 60's @ b'ball or A'football is alot different to ours when were had incredible talents since the 1910's in different countries n leagues.
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If you take a look at baseball, it's really only the MLB. If you're a great player in any other country, you will eventually make it to the MLB. With basketball, it's mainly the NBA and maybe a handful of players that play in Europe and Argentina that are worthy enough to make this sort of list. Now, football on the other hand has a whole bunch of important and prestigious leagues. You can make a goat team for the EPL, La Liga, SPL, Brazilian League, Dutch League, Argentine league, Mexican league, and on and on.
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LOL NIK stay out of this. This is something you dont understand. Cuz you didnt grow up with football. Like everyone before me said, its a lot more complicated then basketball for example. This is a useless discussion, so let us decide how we gonna do this.
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I say lets start from the 80s. That would be a lot more interesting then the 70s (Pele, Cruyff, Beckenbauer). My vote goes from 85 till now.
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LOL NIK stay out of this. This is something you dont understand. Cuz you didnt grow up with football. Like everyone before me said, its a lot more complicated then basketball for example. This is a useless discussion, so let us decide how we gonna do this.
^ i say we should do it within the last 30/40 years so early 60/70s.. this way we still covers greats as pele, van bastin, cruff, beckenbauer etc that are capable of winning a place in anyones goat team
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Alright, I understand what ya'll are getting at...Just didn't think it would be THAT difficult to pick your own bests from a list of all-time greatests...
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I say lets start from the 80s. That would be a lot more interesting then the 70s (Pele, Cruyff, Beckenbauer). My vote goes from 85 till now.
u posted this just before my reply but im down with whateva the majority wanna do.. way i see it im more knowledgable from the time era of 80's upwards but ill give any decision a try
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Yea lets wait and see what everybody else thinks.
BTW never thought it would be this difficult to make a GOAT team LOL
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I say lets start from the 80s. That would be a lot more interesting then the 70s (Pele, Cruyff, Beckenbauer). My vote goes from 85 till now.
thats cool with me.
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I'm pretty sure most users in this thread are what, 20-25?
I don't think we should go no later than 1980, for the same reasons we can't pick a GOAT XI.
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So lets wait until tomorrow, and well start over again.
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So lets wait until tomorrow, and well start over again.
I shall wait then :D
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I think that we should include the 70's but from around 1980 is cool with me
Don't think that it should be any later than 1984 as we would be missing out too many great players
It will be difficult to do this and more difficult than an American sport as great footballers aren't about how good their stats are or driven by stats in the way the same way that American sports seem to be
What stats would you base a GOAT footballer on, goals per game, minutes per game, assists per game. trophies won as a team and individual, saves and blocks per game, passes completed, corners and free kicks won, bookings, international caps, major tournaments played at? the list would be endless and impossible to work on
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Lol, look what i done started. ;D
Maybe we should just continue on, hopefully common sense for each position will prevail.
It just got under my skin that more people weren't including the G.G.O.A.T. in their top 5 than those who were.
I think the same woulda happened should people been posting their top 5 strikers and more than half weren't including Pele.
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I really dont c why it is ridicolous to not include players you havent seen. I based mine on players i have seen footage of.
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I really dont c why it is ridicolous to not include players you havent seen. I based mine on players i have seen footage of.
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Goddamn it, why is this so difficult to do.
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^ lets just make a poll cos this is gettin silly lol
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^ lets just make a poll cos this is gettin silly lol
Yea lol. But what kind of poll do you mean? A poll for what to do?
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^ lets just make a poll cos this is gettin silly lol
Yea lol. But what kind of poll do you mean? A poll for what to do?
way too many players for a poll.
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We need to make a decision on from what era to do this from
Perhaps a poll on what year(s) to start the GOAT team from?
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We need to make a decision on from what era to do this from
Perhaps a poll on what year(s) to start the GOAT team from?
^ yeh this is what i meant when i suggested the poll idea..
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Poll is up.