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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: node on April 09, 2005, 02:15:54 PM
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VOTE PEOPLE!
I don't know if something like this has been posted before, maybe it has....
Anyway, I really think 2Pac deserves the title of greatest of all time... I know everybody has different tastes and likes and what not, but come on... 2Pac was fuckin deep man. I know there are artists that "come close" to 2Pac, but i really think 2Pac tops it all.. I know there are artists that were before his time, but I still think that during the short time he was here, he outshined everyone..
Just listening to his lyrics and the meaning of it, what he stood for... It's amazing man.
Listening to his interviews, the things he said, everything. It's hard to explain, that's how deep 2Pac was to me.
Nobody is ever going to forget 2Pac, he will forever be in our hearts.
"U Can be touched"
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yes threads like these have been started before and yes I believe 2pac is the best of all time without a doubt.
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ahh knuckles stop joking, no one can take that serious
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yes threads like these have been started before and yes I believe 2pac is the best of all time without a doubt.
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He's not the greatest in my eyes,seriously,the dude's overrated.
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ahh knuckles stop joking, no one can take that serious
Your posts are something no one can take seriously.
Rakim the greatest ever? That's no joke.
2Pac on "Old School":
I came through the door, said it before...
That was the SHIT!
'Pac knows what's up.
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It's either Rakim or 'Pac
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In my eyes, he is the G.O.A.T. Perhaps not from a technical point of view, but for me 'pac was just more than that!
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2pac is overrated. The real GOAT is Kool G Rap.
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GOAT
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Tupac Shakur is G.O.A.T. period. End of the discussion.
Rakim is 2nd but is far from pac.
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IMO Pac is the greatest.
Rakim is on the same level though. The God influenced all the GOAT contenders (Pac, Big, Nas, Jay). That tells you something. Same with KRS. I wouldn't have any arguments if anyone put those two as GOAT.
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Tupac Shakur is G.O.A.T. period. End of the discussion.
Rakim is 2nd but is far from pac.
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IMO, Tupac is the most over-rated rapper of all time! An MTV documentary said that Tupac attended a NY "acting" school before he made it big. Also, he was a backup "dancer" with the digitial underground. Tupac did stuff to show out and was no different from your typical wanna be hard n gangsta rapper. Maybe it was the Deathrow documentary or something else - anyway it said that after Tupac was in jail for that sodomy case, no one wanted to sign him or be associated with him. He was a laughing stock in some industry circles until Suge signed him. He was just another Shyne at that point. Think about it, Tupac's All EyeZ on Me would not have blown up like it did if it wasn't for the radio friendly and dope California Love. That song, incidently, was stolen from Chronic II which was one of the reasons for Dre's departure from Death Row. If Tupac hadn't have had California Love, his album wouldnt have been so successful and probably would have sold only like 2 - 3 M copies or on par with his other releases. What would have been the first single off of that album if it wasn't california love, 2 of America's Most wanted? Niggaz, please. His sudden death only "hyped" the gangsta image that he portrayed. Whenever any artists suddenly dies, there in an increase in interest and record sales. Certianly in the rap game, this only led people to believe Tupac was a gangsta and for real. That's the reason for the rushed Makivelli album after his death. Any classics on that CD? not really.Hail Mary, maybe, but it's not considered a classic of played like California Love. Hell, Brenda's Got a Baby gets more play now than Hail Mary. The rest of the Tupac cd's have been avg at best and none of them are considered classics. Some hardcore fans dont want to let Tupac go. On a side note, I was a jr or sr in high school and met Tupac and his entorage at the airport. He just got off a plane while we were waiting for ours. Mind you I was only 16 or 17, but I was bigger & taller than Tupac. He was small in person and I think that I could have given him a good one on one fight at that age. Artistically over time, there are others who are better than Tupac, starting with Too Short, Ice Cube, Dr Dre, Eminem, 50 cent, etc.
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^^^hahahahahaha
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The greatest what? He wasn't that gr8 cuz he wasn't smart enough to keep his career moving on.
It's ez to get caught up in "what could have been." What he did was good. Some of it was damm good.
Tupac is dead. Enjoy his old trax now and then. AND. Move the FK on.
New life.
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IMO, Tupac is the most over-rated rapper of all time! An MTV documentary said that Tupac attended a NY "acting" school before he made it big. Also, he was a backup "dancer" with the digitial underground. Tupac did stuff to show out and was no different from your typical wanna be hard n gangsta rapper. Maybe it was the Deathrow documentary or something else - anyway it said that after Tupac was in jail for that sodomy case, no one wanted to sign him or be associated with him. He was a laughing stock in some industry circles until Suge signed him. He was just another Shyne at that point. Think about it, Tupac's All EyeZ on Me would not have blown up like it did if it wasn't for the radio friendly and dope California Love. That song, incidently, was stolen from Chronic II which was one of the reasons for Dre's departure from Death Row. If Tupac hadn't have had California Love, his album wouldnt have been so successful and probably would have sold only like 2 - 3 M copies or on par with his other releases. What would have been the first single off of that album if it wasn't california love, 2 of America's Most wanted? Niggaz, please. His sudden death only "hyped" the gangsta image that he portrayed. Whenever any artists suddenly dies, there in an increase in interest and record sales. Certianly in the rap game, this only led people to believe Tupac was a gangsta and for real. That's the reason for the rushed Makivelli album after his death. Any classics on that CD? not really.Hail Mary, maybe, but it's not considered a classic of played like California Love. Hell, Brenda's Got a Baby gets more play now than Hail Mary. The rest of the Tupac cd's have been avg at best and none of them are considered classics. Some hardcore fans dont want to let Tupac go. On a side note, I was a jr or sr in high school and met Tupac and his entorage at the airport. He just got off a plane while we were waiting for ours. Mind you I was only 16 or 17, but I was bigger & taller than Tupac. He was small in person and I think that I could have given him a good one on one fight at that age. Artistically over time, there are others who are better than Tupac, starting with Too Short, Ice Cube, Dr Dre, Eminem, 50 cent, etc.
dude you're a fuckin idiot and that goes for anyone else who thinks the same. Pac is the G.O.A.T. his music speaks for itself
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Cant C Me, why was All Eyez on Me considered a classic? Why was that album so much more successful than Pac's prior releases? Do u think Dre had anything to do with that???!! What so called "classics" have been released since Tupac's death? Nigga, use your head and look at the facts.
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IMO, Tupac is the most over-rated rapper of all time! An MTV documentary said that Tupac attended a NY "acting" school before he made it big. Also, he was a backup "dancer" with the digitial underground. Tupac did stuff to show out and was no different from your typical wanna be hard n gangsta rapper. Maybe it was the Deathrow documentary or something else - anyway it said that after Tupac was in jail for that sodomy case, no one wanted to sign him or be associated with him. He was a laughing stock in some industry circles until Suge signed him. He was just another Shyne at that point. Think about it, Tupac's All EyeZ on Me would not have blown up like it did if it wasn't for the radio friendly and dope California Love. That song, incidently, was stolen from Chronic II which was one of the reasons for Dre's departure from Death Row. If Tupac hadn't have had California Love, his album wouldnt have been so successful and probably would have sold only like 2 - 3 M copies or on par with his other releases. What would have been the first single off of that album if it wasn't california love, 2 of America's Most wanted? Niggaz, please. His sudden death only "hyped" the gangsta image that he portrayed. Whenever any artists suddenly dies, there in an increase in interest and record sales. Certianly in the rap game, this only led people to believe Tupac was a gangsta and for real. That's the reason for the rushed Makivelli album after his death. Any classics on that CD? not really.Hail Mary, maybe, but it's not considered a classic of played like California Love. Hell, Brenda's Got a Baby gets more play now than Hail Mary. The rest of the Tupac cd's have been avg at best and none of them are considered classics. Some hardcore fans dont want to let Tupac go. On a side note, I was a jr or sr in high school and met Tupac and his entorage at the airport. He just got off a plane while we were waiting for ours. Mind you I was only 16 or 17, but I was bigger & taller than Tupac. He was small in person and I think that I could have given him a good one on one fight at that age. Artistically over time, there are others who are better than Tupac, starting with Too Short, Ice Cube, Dr Dre, Eminem, 50 cent, etc.
wow your offically a moron....50 cent,Too Short, Em, Dr. Dre better then Pac pleaseeee. ::)
Sales have nothing to do with being overated or underated. He was a laughing stock in the industry in till Suge signed him??? What about 'Me Against the World' you idiot, one of the most emotional albums ever recored.
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2pac was ahead of his time. Rappers have come and gone and can still come and go but there will never be another 2pac.
R.I.P. To the Greatest Rapper of All Time
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50 Cent artistically better than Tupac? HAHA! Now I've heard it all. When 50 can make an emotional track like "Dear Mama", a conceptual track like "Me N My Girlfriend", a political song like "White Man'z World", social commentary like "Papa'z Song" then come back and make an argument. Too $hort is dope but come on dude is so repetitive and hasn't said anything new since 1987. Dre can't rap but I agree production is always evolving. Eminem is the only case you got.
Most Pac fans don't give a shit about his gangster image. "Dear Mama" and "Keep Ya Head Up" are his fans most favorite tracks, you can check the poll on this site. And sales dont mean shit. If All Eyez On Me went gold I think most hip hop fans would still consider it classic. Just like how Illmatic, Only Built 4 Cuban Linx, etc. are still considered classics although not exceptional sales.
P.S. Pac's last three albums have been considered classic by most hip hop fans, not only his die-hard fans.
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wow your offically a moron....50 cent,Too Short, Em, Dr. Dre better then Pac pleaseeee. ::)
Sales have nothing to do with being overated or underated. He was a laughing stock in the industry in till Suge signed him??? What about 'Me Against the World' you idiot, one of the most emotional albums ever recored.
that's what the Welcome to Death Row Documentary or whatever one it was said. Labels weren't beating down the jail to sign Tapac. The lablel execs and other artists said no one wanted anything to do with Tupac at that point of his career. WTF? one of the most emotional albums ever recorded? Oh ok...KC and Jojo have recorded some emotional albums. Lenny Williams put out an emotinal love song. Mariah Carey's Emotional Album was more emotional than tupacs so called emotional album! WTF? Emotional...did u cry or something when you listened to Me Against the World?
Dude, 20 years from now, you will be like these Elvis fans, holding candle light vigils and researching "elvis" sightings. I stand by my comments that Tupac is the most over-rated rapper of all time.
Like you said, record sales mean nothing, so that's whay I consider the legendary pimp Too Short to be greater than Tupac. Eazy-E was better than Tupac. Bushwick Bill is a better rapper than Tupac. The D.O.C. was a better rapper than Tupac. These artists may not have sold better than Tupac, but they had some originality and style. Again, Ice Cube didnt' sell half the records as Tupac, but he had more meaning and style to his shit that Tupac. Imagine if Ice Cube had Dre producing singles for him back in the day? Dre may not as flow as well as Tupac, but he has done more musically than any rapper in the game and Dre is a rapper! Dre transcended Rap from his days with NWA to the present with his work for 50 cent, Eminem and Game. There is more being to a rapper than getting shot and claiming thug life like Tupac did. Hard core fans keep tupac alive, but I've moved on to bigger and better rappers and music. Tupac was dope back in 1996, but this is 2005 homey.
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P.S. Pac's last three albums have been considered classic by most hip hop fans, not only his die-hard fans.
Are you smoking weed right now? Loyal to the Game, Tupac Live and that CD with Thug Mansion are considered rap classics???? Give me some of that shit you are smoking! A classic is like the Chronic, Doggystyle, Death Certificate, Straight Outta Compton, etc. I would strongly disagree thta most of today's hip hop fans consider anything off of Tupac's last three cd's to be classics! Most of today's hip hop fans are into 50 cent, Eminem and that shit MTV plays. Hell, Ludacris has had more classic songs since Tupac's last three releases. So has Lil Jon!
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P.S. Pac's last three albums have been considered classic by most hip hop fans, not only his die-hard fans.
Are you smoking weed right now? Loyal to the Game, Tupac Live and that CD with Thug Mansion are considered rap classics???? Give me some of that shit you are smoking! A classic is like the Chronic, Doggystyle, Death Certificate, Straight Outta Compton, etc. I would strongly disagree thta most of today's hip hop fans consider anything off of Tupac's last three cd's to be classics! Most of today's hip hop fans are into 50 cent, Eminem and that shit MTV plays. Hell, Ludacris has had more classic songs since Tupac's last three releases. So has Lil Jon!
I don't count his posthumous released kiddo. I'm talking about ME AGAINST THE WORLD, ALL EYEZ ON ME, MAKAVELI.
And I agree with you every single Pac album after his death has been lackluster. He had no creative control which brought down the quality plus they changed all the beats, plus all those songs were throwaways.
Also can you breakdown how you think 50 Cent is better artistcally than Tupac. Just curious.
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i dont know if he is the greatest of all time or not but he became part of my top ten in 94/early95 when he was still alive.
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Okay, just ignore Icebergslim. He's just one of those people who know 2pac was the G.O.A.T. but just want to be on the 'fuck pac hes overated' bandwagon because most people consider him G.O.A.T. and many of his fans now are 14 year old girls who have only heard his last Posthums albums, California Love and Changes. He thinks that being different makes him cool, unique and correct.
"Me Against the World" is argubably the one of the most emotional Rap albums ever made. Stop being a smartass... I didnt cry but I could feels pac's emotion.
PS: LMAO at 50 Cent being better then 2pac ::)
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IMO, Tupac is the most over-rated rapper of all time! An MTV documentary said that Tupac attended a NY "acting" school before he made it big. Also, he was a backup "dancer" with the digitial underground. Tupac did stuff to show out and was no different from your typical wanna be hard n gangsta rapper. Maybe it was the Deathrow documentary or something else - anyway it said that after Tupac was in jail for that sodomy case, no one wanted to sign him or be associated with him. He was a laughing stock in some industry circles until Suge signed him. He was just another Shyne at that point. Think about it, Tupac's All EyeZ on Me would not have blown up like it did if it wasn't for the radio friendly and dope California Love. That song, incidently, was stolen from Chronic II which was one of the reasons for Dre's departure from Death Row. If Tupac hadn't have had California Love, his album wouldnt have been so successful and probably would have sold only like 2 - 3 M copies or on par with his other releases. What would have been the first single off of that album if it wasn't california love, 2 of America's Most wanted? Niggaz, please. His sudden death only "hyped" the gangsta image that he portrayed. Whenever any artists suddenly dies, there in an increase in interest and record sales. Certianly in the rap game, this only led people to believe Tupac was a gangsta and for real. That's the reason for the rushed Makivelli album after his death. Any classics on that CD? not really.Hail Mary, maybe, but it's not considered a classic of played like California Love. Hell, Brenda's Got a Baby gets more play now than Hail Mary. The rest of the Tupac cd's have been avg at best and none of them are considered classics. Some hardcore fans dont want to let Tupac go. On a side note, I was a jr or sr in high school and met Tupac and his entorage at the airport. He just got off a plane while we were waiting for ours. Mind you I was only 16 or 17, but I was bigger & taller than Tupac. He was small in person and I think that I could have given him a good one on one fight at that age. Artistically over time, there are others who are better than Tupac, starting with Too Short, Ice Cube, Dr Dre, Eminem, 50 cent, etc.
lmfao, Too Short, Dr Dre, Eminem, 50 cent? get the fuck outta here
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P.S. Pac's last three albums have been considered classic by most hip hop fans, not only his die-hard fans.
Are you smoking weed right now? Loyal to the Game, Tupac Live and that CD with Thug Mansion are considered rap classics???? Give me some of that shit you are smoking! A classic is like the Chronic, Doggystyle, Death Certificate, Straight Outta Compton, etc. I would strongly disagree thta most of today's hip hop fans consider anything off of Tupac's last three cd's to be classics! Most of today's hip hop fans are into 50 cent, Eminem and that shit MTV plays. Hell, Ludacris has had more classic songs since Tupac's last three releases. So has Lil Jon!
fuck u bitch ass mothafucka.i cant say pac or anybody else is the greatest of all time but pac is one of da greatest.his music speaks for himself.and iceberg who da fuck says dat pac's last album is loyal to the game dats not him dats some weak shit made by eminem to make money.how da fuck can u say dat 50,luda,lil jon and eminem are better than pac.if i were u i'll bust a cap in my ass.u so fuckin stupid.get da fuck out of dis forum.50 is not even in pacs league.50 and em r good but their not in pacs league.we cant compare them to pac or to anybody else dats a legend in da business.
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IMO Pac is the greatest.
Rakim is on the same level though. The God influenced all the GOAT contenders (Pac, cube, Nas, ). That tells you something. Same with KRS. I wouldn't have any arguments if anyone put those two as GOAT.
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IMO, Tupac is the most over-rated rapper of all time! An MTV documentary said that Tupac attended a NY "acting" school before he made it big. Also, he was a backup "dancer" with the digitial underground. Tupac did stuff to show out and was no different from your typical wanna be hard n gangsta rapper. Maybe it was the Deathrow documentary or something else - anyway it said that after Tupac was in jail for that sodomy case, no one wanted to sign him or be associated with him. He was a laughing stock in some industry circles until Suge signed him. He was just another Shyne at that point. Think about it, Tupac's All EyeZ on Me would not have blown up like it did if it wasn't for the radio friendly and dope California Love. That song, incidently, was stolen from Chronic II which was one of the reasons for Dre's departure from Death Row. If Tupac hadn't have had California Love, his album wouldnt have been so successful and probably would have sold only like 2 - 3 M copies or on par with his other releases. What would have been the first single off of that album if it wasn't california love, 2 of America's Most wanted? Niggaz, please. His sudden death only "hyped" the gangsta image that he portrayed. Whenever any artists suddenly dies, there in an increase in interest and record sales. Certianly in the rap game, this only led people to believe Tupac was a gangsta and for real. That's the reason for the rushed Makivelli album after his death. Any classics on that CD? not really.Hail Mary, maybe, but it's not considered a classic of played like California Love. Hell, Brenda's Got a Baby gets more play now than Hail Mary. The rest of the Tupac cd's have been avg at best and none of them are considered classics. Some hardcore fans dont want to let Tupac go. On a side note, I was a jr or sr in high school and met Tupac and his entorage at the airport. He just got off a plane while we were waiting for ours. Mind you I was only 16 or 17, but I was bigger & taller than Tupac. He was small in person and I think that I could have given him a good one on one fight at that age. Artistically over time, there are others who are better than Tupac, starting with Too Short, Ice Cube, Dr Dre, Eminem, 50 cent, etc.
^hahahahaa! ... That was a good laugh ... I haven't had one in a long while. Now kill yourself for your
complete and utter stupidity, come back resurrected, listen to pac from 92-96, then tell me he is not at least in the three of all time just to be completely fair since people have different tastes. If you still don't get it then just drive off a cliff and don't come back for goodness sake.
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I think as of 2005, Pac had the most complete package in terms of rapping. There's a little bias since I'm a big fan of his, but that's how I feel.
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I believe that maybe one day in a long time, we'll see an artist that tops 2Pac.. but for now, it's always going to be close , but never tops
50 cent is a fairly new artist. anyone that even thinks for a second that 50 cent has got somethin on 2Pac, is a retard
You might as well go ahead and say Ja rule is goat too then
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Cant C Me, why was All Eyez on Me considered a classic? Why was that album so much more successful than Pac's prior releases? Do u think Dre had anything to do with that???!! What so called "classics" have been released since Tupac's death? Nigga, use your head and look at the facts.
What classics have been released since 2pac's death??? r u still down? and an under-rated album until the end of time. And shut your gay ass up about Dre helping Pac, Dre only made 2 beats for Pac on AEOM Cali Love and Can't C Me, AEOM still would have sold as much as it did and still would have been a straight up classic. 2nd, how can you judge 2pac's new albums when he is dead, he has no word on how it would come out or anything, instead you got Eminem producing his album and making Pac look like a joke. And last, Faggot use your head and look at the facts before Pac's death all his shit was dope, your argument is based on his new shit being released
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whenever the subject comes up regarding Pac being the G.O.A.T. people are always quick to say he was a weak rapper. yes, in techincal terms Pac may not have been a great freestyler and may have not used catchy metaphors all the time, but Pac was a poet at heart. he wrote songs that had meaning and he brought feeling and emotion in his rhyme delivery. he had an educated artistic side and a thugged out street side. his songs range from "brenda's got a baby" & "keep ya head up" to "california love" & "i get around"...2 sides of the spectrum; simple westcoast thuggin to spin in the club and deeper songs that make one think. as far as i'm concerned he wrote and spoke some of the the truest shit out there. he is a household name which is more than i can say for Kool G. Rap or Rakim...and please don't take that the wrong way, i am a big fan of them also, but by the time Pac peaked their time had come and gone. Power of the Dollar was a great album, but now 50 cent makes mindless repetitive rap thats marketed to sell to the kiddies. his lyrics have steadily declined over the last year and he needs to stop mumbling, his charisma on the mic has diminished, but i guess that happens when your not hungry anymore. and of course i have to bring up Biggie. Biggie was a great rapper and is also a household name, but how can you be the G.O.A.T. if you only have 2 albums under your belt. If you count Makaveli-7DT Pac had 6 albums released to Biggie's 2. Pac definitely has enough going for him to be considered the G.O.A.T., posthumous albums filled with crappy production should not discredit his previous efforts. those are just my thoughts, peace!!!! 8)
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Pac is the G.O.A.T
No one comes even close.
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what the fuck i read here, camon, 2Pac sold so much records because his name, period. AEOM it's still the rap classic that sold more because 2Pac made it, not Dre, not Snoop, not Daz, not Death Row, just 2Pac, camon, Dre helped Pac? man fuck it, without the extraordinary pac verse on cali love, that track with dre's flow will be avg..it's just 2pac, from 2paclypse to makaveli, self made millionare, without the help of nobody.
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Pac is the G.O.A.T
Rakim = dope as fuck but overrated
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This thread ended up being more interesting than I thought it would be. 2Pac as the GOAT, it's been said often before here, but I still think dude is heavily overrated. People are acting like he was Jesus himself, reincarnated in the body of a black rapping male. He sure had some meaning, he sure was a great rapper. He died at the right time, that's basically what turned him into a legend. Hell, people would have considered Eminem to be a legend, if he died near the end of 2000.
I'll actually agree with icebergslim on most of what he says, no matter how controversial it seems to most of you. Pac sure was overrated - he probably died at his career high. That's helped a lot, imagine if Rakim would have died in 1992 just after completing "Don't sweat the technique". Imagine if Pac lived to see 2000. He probably would have fell off, releasing R&B tracks and all that. People would have said Ra was the GOAT, people would have complained about how Pac fell the fuck off. It's all about timing. Rakim is still alive and he hasn't been up there for years. Pac died at his career high. Does that definately make him the greatest?
The greatest of all time... It's just hard to define that. Pac sure is way up there, along with a few others. However, Pac doesn't outshine the others. Biggie was a better story teller, Biggie had better lyrics, Biggie had a better flow. Pac had better content for his songs. Pac put more emotion to his tracks. Then there's people like Nas and The D.O.C. or Eazy-E, Ice Cube... All are up there, none of them are perfect, none of them outshine the others. Is there even a G.O.A.T? I don't think so.
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Easly.
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This thread ended up being more interesting than I thought it would be. 2Pac as the GOAT, it's been said often before here, but I still think dude is heavily overrated. People are acting like he was Jesus himself, reincarnated in the body of a black rapping male. He sure had some meaning, he sure was a great rapper. He died at the right time, that's basically what turned him into a legend. Hell, people would have considered Eminem to be a legend, if he died near the end of 2000.
I'll actually agree with icebergslim on most of what he says, no matter how controversial it seems to most of you. Pac sure was overrated - he probably died at his career high. That's helped a lot, imagine if Rakim would have died in 1992 just after completing "Don't sweat the technique". Imagine if Pac lived to see 2000. He probably would have fell off, releasing R&B tracks and all that. People would have said Ra was the GOAT, people would have complained about how Pac fell the fuck off. It's all about timing. Rakim is still alive and he hasn't been up there for years. Pac died at his career high. Does that definately make him the greatest?
The greatest of all time... It's just hard to define that. Pac sure is way up there, along with a few others. However, Pac doesn't outshine the others. Biggie was a better story teller, Biggie had better lyrics, Biggie had a better flow. Pac had better content for his songs. Pac put more emotion to his tracks. Then there's people like Nas and The D.O.C. or Eazy-E, Ice Cube... All are up there, none of them are perfect, none of them outshine the others. Is there even a G.O.A.T? I don't think so.
great post. I agree with u on most points. Same thing about Biggie (it's even worse coz he only had 2 albums before his death). The only thing I disagree with u (and with others) is "he's overrated". For me this word means nothing coz as soon as we talk too much about a mc, everybody can say that. So he means all mcs who are and were on the spotlight are overrated (today it's often true but back in the days I doubt)
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whenever the subject comes up regarding Pac being the G.O.A.T. people are always quick to say he was a weak rapper. yes, in techincal terms Pac may not have been a great freestyler and may have not used catchy metaphors all the time, but Pac was a poet at heart. he wrote songs that had meaning and he brought feeling and emotion in his rhyme delivery. he had an educated artistic side and a thugged out street side. his songs range from "brenda's got a baby" & "keep ya head up" to "california love" & "i get around"...2 sides of the spectrum; simple westcoast thuggin to spin in the club and deeper songs that make one think. as far as i'm concerned he wrote and spoke some of the the truest shit out there. he is a household name which is more than i can say for Kool G. Rap or Rakim...and please don't take that the wrong way, i am a big fan of them also, but by the time Pac peaked their time had come and gone. Power of the Dollar was a great album, but now 50 cent makes mindless repetitive rap thats marketed to sell to the kiddies. his lyrics have steadily declined over the last year and he needs to stop mumbling, his charisma on the mic has diminished, but i guess that happens when your not hungry anymore. and of course i have to bring up Biggie. Biggie was a great rapper and is also a household name, but how can you be the G.O.A.T. if you only have 2 albums under your belt. If you count Makaveli-7DT Pac had 6 albums released to Biggie's 2. Pac definitely has enough going for him to be considered the G.O.A.T., posthumous albums filled with crappy production should not discredit his previous efforts. those are just my thoughts, peace!!!! 8)
THIS GUY is absolutely right. Got it right on the dot.
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this thread is hilarious
R.I.P. 2Pac (THE G.O.A.T.)
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2pac is underrated in mainstream rap, i dono what the fuck youre talking about. How often does a pac song get play on MTV?
Fuck anybody who disagrees with that, pac is the greatest
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I see the overrating of Pac gets bigger by each day passing. :-\
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Not to me. I think that Rakim, Chuck D, Mos Def and The D.O.C are all superior.
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Let's line up everyone, and see what we can make of all this. The most important part of being the GOAT, is having a great career. As far as 'Pac, his the most complete rapper to ever grap the mic. He wasn't just lyrical, or social, or on some battling shit, he was all of that, plus political, uplifting, he could rap a beat, I think that listen to Revolution on Rap Phenomion II, his vocals on the Victory beat was better than Biggie's verse. And Victory to me is one example of Biggie being the second greatest eastcoast rapper ever. Rakim to me is the GOAT of New York, you can't argue nothing, but 'Pac's lyrical abuse of Biggie, and his social uplifting songs like Keep Your Head Up, White Man's World, and basically the whole Me Against the World album, and the fact 'Pac was on some more political shit aside from showing he can be as lyrical as Rakim with some of his shit on Makaveli. 'Pac was the most complete package you will ever find in rap music, no one has touched him yet. 'Pac is the GOAT.
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IMO, hands down the greatest of all time. No other MC ever has (and probably never will) touch people on a mass level like Pac did. IMO, he's really the only hip hop artist being labeled as an "icon".
and IcebergSlim is a joke. Get the fuck off this board man.....all your "opinions" are completely warped and lack any common sense or credibility.
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also, while im here, id just like to take the time to say that.....
"U Can Be Touched" (og version) > 50 cents existence
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Not to me. I think that Rakim, Chuck D, Mos Def and The D.O.C are all superior.
Common people dont even know them, here in Italy.
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common people don't know them in america. Ice CUBE IS THE GREATEAT HOW MANY CLASSICS DID HE DO
STRAIGHT OUUTA COMPTON
BOW DOWN
DA LYNCH MOB
DEATH CERTIFICATE
AMERIKKKAS MOST
LETHAL INJECTION
HE STARTED IT ALL
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pac is the greatest people still talkin bout his music 8 years on doesnt matta how many shit albums they release of him his LYRICS still touch me even wit wack ass eminem production
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Not to me. I think that Rakim, Chuck D, Mos Def and The D.O.C are all superior.
Common people dont even know them, here in Italy.
What has that got to do with anything?
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Tupac Is The Greatest That Will Ever Grace The Mic
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right for all the people who dont think his the greatest i need you to roll up a joint and listen, i mean totally concentrate on the following tunes:
- keep ya head up = this tune is soo fucking deep man,sol lyrical with so much meaning, if you knew what was happening with 2pac at the time u will understand this tune. what it means to your average person, "if you fall, stand tall" "whilst the rich kids is drivin benz, im still trying to hold on to surviving friends", "i remember marvin gaye used to sing to me, he had me feeling black was the thing to be" these lyrics absoloutley shit on 99.9 percent of other music artists not just rap artsist, at the end of the day music is about relation and intepretation that to me says enough...
- dear mama = if you could make a song about your mam and how much you loved her, this would be a song you'd love to come up with, lyricial content hear is poetic and amazing and so is the melodys in his rhymes providing pac was just not a great lyricisit.
- brenda's got a babay = this song proves 2pac is one of the greatets story tellers on the mic, "brendas got a boyfriend, so lets sit back and watch the joy end" this is my favourite line of all time, it makes you draw into his music and picture what the fuck is happening as he tells the story of struggle, even tho his rhyming and just rapping it makes you pay attention and remember it, 2:30 long verse absoloutley fucking dope and shits on 99.9% of other rappers material...
- god bless the dead = i choose this track just to show you 2pac's delivery and emcee' on the mic. "i used to have a crimal mind, i was addicted to trying" simle, deep and monivating. addicting to trying? take a second and think what he means hear. do you know that bit in his first verse where the beat drop of and where left with drums 2pac spitting and then the beat kicks back in, now thats fucking hip hop man.
i could go on and on, you have political songs, club songs, love songs, poetic songs, just plain emcing songs respected in the streets, refelective songs, songs about life and not just about guns and drugs, storys of struggle, storys of living well.....
2pac was the greatest because you got to kind of know him through his music, a paranoid young man confused about whether to be a gangster or a gentleman, how many of us can relate to this shit?
andy today we know have hip hop / r & b as the most popular form of music, it really pisses me off how people today who like rap i.e. 50 cent dont appreciate this fucking guy, it really does.....
get at me
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right for all the people who dont think his the greatest i need you to roll up a joint and listen, i mean totally concentrate on the following tunes:
- keep ya head up = this tune is soo fucking deep man,sol lyrical with so much meaning, if you knew what was happening with 2pac at the time u will understand this tune. what it means to your average person, "if you fall, stand tall" "whilst the rich kids is drivin benz, im still trying to hold on to surviving friends", "i remember marvin gaye used to sing to me, he had me feeling black was the thing to be" these lyrics absoloutley shit on 99.9 percent of other music artists not just rap artsist, at the end of the day music is about relation and intepretation that to me says enough...
- dear mama = if you could make a song about your mam and how much you loved her, this would be a song you'd love to come up with, lyricial content hear is poetic and amazing and so is the melodys in his rhymes providing pac was just not a great lyricisit.
- brenda's got a babay = this song proves 2pac is one of the greatets story tellers on the mic, "brendas got a boyfriend, so lets sit back and watch the joy end" this is my favourite line of all time, it makes you draw into his music and picture what the fuck is happening as he tells the story of struggle, even tho his rhyming and just rapping it makes you pay attention and remember it, 2:30 long verse absoloutley fucking dope and shits on 99.9% of other rappers material...
- god bless the dead = i choose this track just to show you 2pac's delivery and emcee' on the mic. "i used to have a crimal mind, i was addicted to trying" simle, deep and monivating. addicting to trying? take a second and think what he means hear. do you know that bit in his first verse where the beat drop of and where left with drums 2pac spitting and then the beat kicks back in, now thats fucking hip hop man.
i could go on and on, you have political songs, club songs, love songs, poetic songs, just plain emcing songs respected in the streets, refelective songs, songs about life and not just about guns and drugs, storys of struggle, storys of living well.....
2pac was the greatest because you got to kind of know him through his music, a paranoid young man confused about whether to be a gangster or a gentleman, how many of us can relate to this shit?
andy today we know have hip hop / r & b as the most popular form of music, it really pisses me off how people today who like rap i.e. 50 cent dont appreciate this fucking guy, it really does.....
get at me
Knowledge.
Pac is GOAT. By far. Close thread.
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When u think of all tha other possibilities for G.O.A.T. like Notorious B.I.G., Rakim, KRS-1, ect.....aint none of these dudes had a strong as work ethic or passion for tha music like pac did.....n' there have been better lyricists than him but still couldnt nobody tell it like he could.
He is definitely by far tha G.O.A.T.
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2Pac is probably the greatest rapper of all time. You may like for example Rakim better as an artist, but 2Pac was more than just an artist. Everybody knows that. Rakim's impact is nothing compared to 2Pac's.
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Let me add just another tracks, pls..
- tear drops and closed caskets = the most underrated Pac song ever, imo. This shit is just perfect, front to back. You see everything in this song: technique (just listen the way they rap, one after the other, like if it was just 1 guy rapping. perfect timing, great coordination. something for real pro's, not just the average fake rappers you hear today on mtv), lyrics (damn just listen to the story: it's incredible!! maybe better than Brenda's, imo), passion (Pac was unique interpretating his own lyrics, crying, smiling, screaming.. you can feel his pain when he's talking about dead people, or his rage when he's talking about his enemies), social problems (the story is so damn real it aint even funny), etc.. this track shits on the whole 50 Cent career.
Not to mention California Love, I Get Around, I Aint Mad At Cha, Hail Mary and the other masterpieces who still cant be touched by today's rappers. C'mon dont joke! He's the GOAT no fucking doubt.
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there have been better lyricists than him but still couldnt nobody tell it like he could.
Exactly. He said everything in his tracks. Maybe Biggie and Rakim were better lyricists? Ok. But i dont even remember a single message from one of their songs the same way i remember Pac's messages, you know what i mean? That's hip-hop 100% imo. Communication. Messages. Passion. Hip-hop = to say something that goes into peoples mind! That's where Pac is the GOAT.
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No, im The Greatest Of All Times!
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certainly... the most dickrode person ever in the world..
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certainly... the most dickrode person ever in the world..
No. That gotta be Snoop. With just 1 classic album done more than 10 years ago he's still the most loved rapper in this board and in the whole West Coast. At least Pac had 3 classic albums in my book. And two classic movies. C'mon man. We're talking about less than 4 years in the life of Pac. 3 1/2 years of career, and he did all this shit. C'mon now. C'mon now. Dre is a legend but he did all his shit in 20 years! Snoop is a legend but he did all his shit in 15 years!! We're talking about 3 1/2 years. 1 on Death Row. he had 3 #1 albums in the charts in 12 months. C'mon.
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no way is 2pac the greatest
Rakim deserves it more than him
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Some people in here need to get of the eastcoast rappers dicks and stop overrating the eastcoast
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Some people in here need to get of the eastcoast rappers dicks and stop overrating the eastcoast
i agree
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Some people in here need to get of the eastcoast rappers dicks and stop overrating the eastcoast
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Some people in here need to get of the eastcoast rappers dicks and stop overrating the eastcoast
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Some people in here need to get of the eastcoast rappers dicks and stop overrating the eastcoast
i agree
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Some people in here need to get of the eastcoast rappers dicks and stop overrating the eastcoast
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^^^ you suck knuckles!! everyone is sick of you preaching about nas or jadakiss or rakim just keep all that nonsense away from these boards. your eastcoast bias is getting old
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remember that he thinks d12 is better than bone thugs. in other words: don't take him seriously.
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^^^ you suck knuckles!! everyone is sick of you preaching about nas or jadakiss or rakim just keep all that nonsense away from these boards. your eastcoast bias is getting old
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You are a complete retard.
remember that he thinks d12 is better than bone thugs. in other words: don't take him seriously.
As far as a hip-hop group, yes. I don't even consider them rappers, thus they don't make hip-hop.
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aint nobody touchin 2pac.........biggie gets mad props wih rakim to tho still.......then theres cats like cube n snoop when they were at their peak......
but overall..........2pac, greatest no doubt............pac was a soldier, he represented a brothers struggle.......alot of ppl are ruining his legacy these days and alot have come cats who just say his the greatest that probably never heard his cd's and cats say his overrated, but i mean, whether his overrated of not is of personal opinion, but to me......noone is touchin pac.
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I'd say that 2Pac, Biggie, KRS-One and Rakim are the only people you could justify at number one. Maybe Kool G Rap, Kane or Cube too.
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Easly.
Easily :p
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Some people in here need to get of the eastcoast rappers dicks and stop overrating the eastcoast
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Some people in here need to get of the eastcoast rappers dicks and stop overrating the eastcoast
i agree
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Some people in here need to get of the eastcoast rappers dicks and stop overrating the eastcoast
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I'd say that 2Pac, Biggie, KRS-One and Rakim are the only people you could justify at number one. Maybe Kool G Rap, Kane or Cube too.
Even though I personally believe 2pac is goat by far I will say this to be fair. For the number one spot I would say either 2pac, cube, rakim, or krs-one. I would put Biggie in the top ten, but number one no way. Biggie was a great lyricist and storyteller, but unfortunately I do not believe he was alive long enough when considering his work to be number one. I also believe Biggie is one of the most overrated rappers ever though not his fault and that Life After Death is 3.5 mics at best. For the goat runner ups - kool g rap and kane ... once again no! Maybe in the top 20 ... but there are other rappers that deserved that spot more such as Scarface, Chuck D, and Ice-T.
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^^^ Fair enough
For those intrested, here are some top tens for "the greatest MCs" ever that have been put together:
Blaze (1999)
1. Rakim
2. KRS-One
3. The Notorious B.I.G.
4. Big Daddy Kane
5. LL Cool J
6. Kool G Rap
7. Slick Rick
8. 2Pac
9. Jay-Z
10. Ice Cube
Ego Trip (1999)
1. KRS-One
2. Rakim
3. LL Cool J
4. Chuck D
5. Slick Rick
6. Ice Cube
7. The Notorious B.I.G.
8. Kool G Rap
9. Big Daddy Kane
10. Grandmaster Caz
Hiphopsite.com Forums (2004)
1. Rakim
2. KRS-One
3. Nas
4. The Notorious B.I.G.
5. Big Daddy Kane
6. Kool G Rap
7. Chuck D
8. Jay-Z
9. 2Pac
10. Slick Rick
OkayPlayer.com Forums (2004)
1. Rakim
2. KRS-One
3. Nas
4. The Notorious B.I.G.
5. Common
6. Jay-Z
7. 2Pac
8. Chuck D
9. Andre
10. Big Daddy Kane
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^^those lists are incredibly whack for the most part
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^^^ Fair enough
For those intrested, here are some top tens for "the greatest MCs" ever that have been put together:
Blaze (1999)
1. Rakim
2. KRS-One
3. The Notorious B.I.G.
4. Big Daddy Kane
5. LL Cool J
6. Kool G Rap
7. Slick Rick
8. 2Pac
9. Jay-Z
10. Ice Cube
2 West Coast rappers out of 10! woah! ::)
Ego Trip (1999)
1. KRS-One
2. Rakim
3. LL Cool J
4. Chuck D
5. Slick Rick
6. Ice Cube
7. The Notorious B.I.G.
8. Kool G Rap
9. Big Daddy Kane
10. Grandmaster Caz
1 West Coast rapper. ::)
Hiphopsite.com Forums (2004)
1. Rakim
2. KRS-One
3. Nas
4. The Notorious B.I.G.
5. Big Daddy Kane
6. Kool G Rap
7. Chuck D
8. Jay-Z
9. 2Pac
10. Slick Rick
1 West Coast rapper ::)
OkayPlayer.com Forums (2004)
1. Rakim
2. KRS-One
3. Nas
4. The Notorious B.I.G.
5. Common
6. Jay-Z
7. 2Pac
8. Chuck D
9. Andre
10. Big Daddy Kane
1 West Coast rapper. ::)
Mmmmm..
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knuckles is a joke those lists are putrid. that wasnt a representation of the best rappers that was a horrible group of lists right there but i expect nothing different from a cknuckles post.
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no way is 2pac the greatest
big pun, biggie, snoop, dre, crooked i, fat joe, jay z, nas
they are all better than pac was
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ROFL wtf? ;D Crooked I? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Fat Joe? ;D ;D ;D ;D
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no way is 2pac the greatest
big pun, biggie, snoop, dre, crooked i, fat joe, jay z, nas
they are all better than pac was
and this post definatly warrants a negative karma, or two. Or three.
The only MC u mentioned that is worthy is Nas. Fat Joe, Crooked I, Snoop?? Get the fuck outta here. Dre? He dont even write his own lyrics, that right there makes Pac better by default. Pun?? Not enough material, never got into him anyway.
and Biggie and Jay Z are by far the two most overrated rappers of ALL TIME (followed closely by Eminem). Im sick and tired of all the dickriding these two get. Honestly, I cant stand either one of them (and no, it doesnt have anything to do with Pac beefing with them, because Pac had beef with Nas and Mobb Deep and I like them just fine), and quite frankly, they wouldnt even make my top 30. Also, I cant stand their fans either, especially Biggie fans. Hate them with a passion.
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no way is 2pac the greatest
big pun, biggie, snoop, dre, crooked i, fat joe, jay z, nas
they are all better than pac was
fat joe ??? LMAO
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no way is 2pac the greatest
big pun, biggie, snoop, dre, crooked i, fat joe, jay z, nas
they are all better than pac was
::) Lay off the crack ... it is not good for your health and it seems to be affecting your brain.
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^^those lists are incredibly whack for the most part
yeah I agree ... my top ten would be:
2pac
cube
nas
rakim
krs-one
scarface
ice-t
chuck d
ll cool J
biggie
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^^^ Fair enough
For those intrested, here are some top tens for "the greatest MCs" ever that have been put together:
Blaze (1999)
1. Rakim
2. KRS-One
3. The Notorious B.I.G.
4. Big Daddy Kane
5. LL Cool J
6. Kool G Rap
7. Slick Rick
8. 2Pac
9. Jay-Z
10. Ice Cube
Ego Trip (1999)
1. KRS-One
2. Rakim
3. LL Cool J
4. Chuck D
5. Slick Rick
6. Ice Cube
7. The Notorious B.I.G.
8. Kool G Rap
9. Big Daddy Kane
10. Grandmaster Caz
Hiphopsite.com Forums (2004)
1. Rakim
2. KRS-One
3. Nas
4. The Notorious B.I.G.
5. Big Daddy Kane
6. Kool G Rap
7. Chuck D
8. Jay-Z
9. 2Pac
10. Slick Rick
OkayPlayer.com Forums (2004)
1. Rakim
2. KRS-One
3. Nas
4. The Notorious B.I.G.
5. Common
6. Jay-Z
7. 2Pac
8. Chuck D
9. Andre
10. Big Daddy Kane
i'm sorry i can't take any of these seriously
biggie should neva be above pac
never mind be above him in all 4 lists!!!
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That's because you guys aren't into the eastcoast stuff that much... I pretty much agree with them lists, and I'll personally take Big over Pac any day. However Pac may be the bigger and better rapper, I liked Big better. Maybe you're right, Pac should have been above Biggie, but then there's still so many other legendary rappers...
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That's because you guys aren't into the eastcoast stuff that much... I pretty much agree with them lists, and I'll personally take Big over Pac any day. However Pac may be the bigger and better rapper, I liked Big better. Maybe you're right, Pac should have been above Biggie, but then there's still so many other legendary rappers...
while I definitely do prefer west coast rap I started listening to east coast rap first so what you just said is not true. I still bump nas, wutang, biggie(I have not bumped him in a long time, but he was like one of my first favorite rappers), gangstarr, tribe called quest, krs-one from time to time, and rakim. Also my brother loves slick rick so I am always hearing him too. Secondly, Pac IS above Biggie - not Pac should have been above Biggie. I just had to get that off my chest.
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Not to me. I think that Rakim, Chuck D, Mos Def and The D.O.C are all superior.
Common people dont even know them, here in Italy.
What has that got to do with anything?
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2 West Coast rappers out of 10! woah! ::)
1 West Coast rapper. ::)
1 West Coast rapper ::)
1 West Coast rapper. ::)
Mmmmm..
And your point is...
knuckles is a joke those lists are putrid. that wasnt a representation of the best rappers that was a horrible group of lists right there but i expect nothing different from a cknuckles post.
Goddam you are stupid. Read what is above those lists, that's where they are from. I didn't make those.
Seriously, how old are you?
^^those lists are incredibly whack for the most part
yeah I agree ... my top ten would be:
2pac
cube
nas
rakim
krs-one
scarface
ice-t
chuck d
ll cool J
biggie
So you agree that those lists are "incredibly whack" yet you produce a list that is very similar. ::)
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no way is 2pac the greatest
big pun, biggie, snoop, dre, crooked i, fat joe, jay z, nas
they are all better than pac was
and this post definatly warrants a negative karma, or two. Or three.
The only MC u mentioned that is worthy is Nas. Fat Joe, Crooked I, Snoop?? Get the fuck outta here. Dre? He dont even write his own lyrics, that right there makes Pac better by default. Pun?? Not enough material, never got into him anyway.
and Biggie and Jay Z are by far the two most overrated rappers of ALL TIME (followed closely by Eminem). Im sick and tired of all the dickriding these two get. Honestly, I cant stand either one of them (and no, it doesnt have anything to do with Pac beefing with them, because Pac had beef with Nas and Mobb Deep and I like them just fine), and quite frankly, they wouldnt even make my top 30. Also, I cant stand their fans either, especially Biggie fans. Hate them with a passion.
Truth...
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2 West Coast rappers out of 10! woah! ::)
1 West Coast rapper. ::)
1 West Coast rapper ::)
1 West Coast rapper. ::)
Mmmmm..
And your point is...
knuckles is a joke those lists are putrid. that wasnt a representation of the best rappers that was a horrible group of lists right there but i expect nothing different from a cknuckles post.
Goddam you are stupid. Read what is above those lists, that's where they are from. I didn't make those.
Seriously, how old are you?
^^those lists are incredibly whack for the most part
yeah I agree ... my top ten would be:
2pac
cube
nas
rakim
krs-one
scarface
ice-t
chuck d
ll cool J
biggie
So you agree that those lists are "incredibly whack" yet you produce a list that is very similar. ::)
uuuuummmm...no. I produced a list that kind of has similiar artists, but very different order. There is no kool g rap, big daddy kane, slick rick, grandmaster caz, Jay z, common, or andre. When I agreed that those lists were "incredibly whack" it mainly meant on the order of the artists and a few other artists that were put in the list such as kool g rap, big daddy kane, slick rick, etc.
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there's no way that Slick Rick, Kool G Rap, or some of those other Eastcoast rappers are better than Pac, those lists must have come from an Eastcoast forum or something. i agree with Nas and Rakim being on those lists but above Pac??? no fucking way
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2 West Coast rappers out of 10! woah! ::)
1 West Coast rapper. ::)
1 West Coast rapper ::)
1 West Coast rapper. ::)
Mmmmm..
And your point is...
My point is that if you make on of those polls in this forum you'll have 8 rappers out of 10 being from the West Coast. Got it?
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Everbody forgets about The D.O.C. he could of been just as big as 2pac
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Everbody forgets about The D.O.C. he could of been just as big as 2pac
The D.O.C. was a great rapper before his accident, but does he really have all of the content Pac had? The power of being an icon?
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Everbody forgets about The D.O.C. he could of been just as big as 2pac
The D.O.C. was a great rapper before his accident, but does he really have all of the content Pac had? The power of being an icon?
Not as a icon but maybe as a rapper. No one can do it better is easily in the top 5 best albums ever made, the lyrics are just amazing and his flow is untouchable.
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My point is that if you make on of those polls in this forum you'll have 8 rappers out of 10 being from the West Coast. Got it?
And your point is...
Those weren't from eastcoast forums or eastcoast magazines, just hip-hop forums and hip-hop magazines.
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uuuuummmm...no. I produced a list that kind of has similiar artists, but very different order. There is no kool g rap, big daddy kane, slick rick, grandmaster caz, Jay z, common, or andre. When I agreed that those lists were "incredibly whack" it mainly meant on the order of the artists and a few other artists that were put in the list such as kool g rap, big daddy kane, slick rick, etc.
Only two of the ten rappers you had weren't on those lists.
So you're basically calling them wack because the order is a couple off of what you think they should be and because three legends like Kane, G Rap and Slick Rick were on them? ::)
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I'll actually agree with icebergslim on most of what he says, no matter how controversial it seems to most of you. Pac sure was overrated - he probably died at his career high. That's helped a lot, imagine if Rakim would have died in 1992 just after completing "Don't sweat the technique". Imagine if Pac lived to see 2000. He probably would have fell off, releasing R&B tracks and all that. People would have said Ra was the GOAT, people would have complained about how Pac fell the fuck off. It's all about timing. Rakim is still alive and he hasn't been up there for years. Pac died at his career high. Does that definately make him the greatest?
The greatest of all time... It's just hard to define that. Pac sure is way up there, along with a few others. However, Pac doesn't outshine the others. Biggie was a better story teller, Biggie had better lyrics, Biggie had a better flow. Pac had better content for his songs. Pac put more emotion to his tracks. Then there's people like Nas and The D.O.C. or Eazy-E, Ice Cube... All are up there, none of them are perfect, none of them outshine the others. Is there even a G.O.A.T? I don't think so.
Finally, someone who agrees with reason! Tupac would have eventually fallen off like any other rapper or singer, but Tupac went out while he was on top, thus people think of him as the GOAT. If 50 cent went out right now, hands down, people would consider 50 cent the GOAT. Judging by 50 Cents chart record of having like 4 singles in the top 5 or top 10 or something, which was something only the Beatles had done - arguably makes him the greastest rapper simply on that feat alone. I still believe Too Short was more original than Tupac and had his on unique style. Tupac just acted a fool most of the time and was doing things for show to sell records, IMO. Look at Tupac's first album and then look at what he eventually became. He changed his style and attitude to sell records. Too SHort, Eazy-E and others were always the same type of rapper and didnt change their style to sell records. For shock value, I'd say that Mc Hammer, Young MC and Vanilla Ice all had more "it" personality than Tupac. I could see Young MC going gangsta after his CD to sell more records. Oh I forgot, Hammer did sign with tha row! LOL
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Icebergslim is a moron why listen to him ??? Your reasons are so moronic its not even funny.
Shut the fuck up...
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^^^no shit, pac never would have fallen the fuck off, thats a joke right there, the guy has been dead for a decade almost and hes still selling millions. 2pac always is and always will be the g.o.a.t. and if he was alive right now that would still be the case.
cknuckles and iceberg are morons. not enough rappers fromt he west on there so called top 10 ever list. where the fuck is too short? where is kurupt? (listen to doggfood,kuruption,streetz,space, and anythnig else he has ever done and tell me whos better?) where is ice cube or snoop?
enough about rakim or big daddy kane, OVERATED!
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Pac would have neva fallen off!!! he may have stopped rapping to act but he wouldn't have fallen off...no way
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My point is that if you make on of those polls in this forum you'll have 8 rappers out of 10 being from the West Coast. Got it?
And your point is...
Those weren't from eastcoast forums or eastcoast magazines, just hip-hop forums and hip-hop magazines.
Cmon man you know what i mean.. 2Pac, the Dogg Pound, the Westside Connection, etc.. they all said enought things about it. i dont even need to add anything.
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^^^no shit, pac never would have fallen the fuck off, thats a joke right there, the guy has been dead for a decade almost and hes still selling millions. 2pac always is and always will be the g.o.a.t. and if he was alive right now that would still be the case.
cknuckles and iceberg are morons. not enough rappers fromt he west on there so called top 10 ever list. where the fuck is too short? where is kurupt? (listen to doggfood,kuruption,streetz,space, and anythnig else he has ever done and tell me whos better?) where is ice cube or snoop?
enough about rakim or big daddy kane, OVERATED!
Rakim's 1 verse on Pain In Full > anything Too Short, Snoop or Kurupt have ever done.
And don't even get my started on Big Daddy Kane
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Icebergslim is a moron why listen to him ??? Your reasons are so moronic its not even funny.
Shut the fuck up...
exactly, how in the fuck would Icebergslim know that Pac would have fallen on??? Iceberg do yourself a favor by shuting the fuck up, your comments are stupid and worthless
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Icebergslim is a moron why listen to him ??? Your reasons are so moronic its not even funny.
Shut the fuck up...
Beeyotch, last time I checked, this was a free country with freedom of speech! My opinion is Tupac was over rated and was a studio gangsta. That's my opinion. To Spice 1 and Mac10 who said Tupac would have never fallen off, get real! Every major artist has fallen off, from the Beatles, Elvis, Madonna to Michael Jackson. Who would have thought MJ would have fallen off after Thriller? But he did. Tupac could have fallen off when the rap scene changed. Gangsta rap no longer dominates the rap scene. U think Tupac would have been rapping about anything except gangsta stuff? he would have run out of material and would have been saying the same thing over and over. Sort of like Ice Cube ran out of stuff to stay. Plus, Pac would have started concentrating on movies and would have devoted less time to the rapping and his music. It's a fact artists fall off over time. Some fall off and never come back, but some make a come back like Mariah has done with her latest album or Dre did with 2001. Just think, some people thought LL Cool J would never fall off....some thought Run DMC would never fall off.... 10 years fromw now, some of you will be still on this Tupac bandwagon, begging for more unreleased stuff to come out...a majority of us will have moved on to some other artist.
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Icebergslim is a moron why listen to him ??? Your reasons are so moronic its not even funny.
Shut the fuck up...
Beeyotch, last time I checked, this was a free country with freedom of speech! My opinion is Tupac was over rated and was a studio gangsta. That's my opinion. To Spice 1 and Mac10 who said Tupac would have never fallen off, get real! Every major artist has fallen off, from the Beatles, Elvis, Madonna to Michael Jackson. Who would have thought MJ would have fallen off after Thriller? But he did. Tupac could have fallen off when the rap scene changed. Gangsta rap no longer dominates the rap scene. U think Tupac would have been rapping about anything except gangsta stuff? he would have run out of material and would have been saying the same thing over and over. Sort of like Ice Cube ran out of stuff to stay. Plus, Pac would have started concentrating on movies and would have devoted less time to the rapping and his music. It's a fact artists fall off over time. Some fall off and never come back, but some make a come back like Mariah has done with her latest album or Dre did with 2001. Just think, some people thought LL Cool J would never fall off....some thought Run DMC would never fall off.... 10 years fromw now, some of you will be still on this Tupac bandwagon, begging for more unreleased stuff to come out...a majority of us will have moved on to some other artist.
This guy apparantly thinks he's a fortune teller now..... ::)
fuck outta here.
There is no evidence whatsoever that suggests Pac was gonna fall off anytime soon. The last album he recorded before his death was considered by many to he his best yet, and the fact he was getting better with each album, coupled with the fact dude was only 25 at the time, one would have to say he was gonna dominate the game for years to come if he so desired to do so with those facts taken into account. Who was gonna stop him?? There wasnt anyone who could. AEOM established him as the top rap artist in the world.
And you ignorant as fuck if you think Pac only rapped about gangsta shit. Have you not heard the many political, social, and reflective songs he made?? Get a clue man. And Pac was far from being studio.......anyone who can shoot cops AND get away with it is gully.
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::) If Pac never got shot, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
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Yes I voted 8) 8) 8)
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Pac would have neva fallen off!!! he may have stopped rapping to act but he wouldn't have fallen off...no way
Plus, Pac would have started concentrating on movies and would have devoted less time to the rapping and his music.
that was my exact point jackass
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I just want to say fuck Rakim and fuck the whole muthafucking eastcoast im tired of reading the same shit...
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I just want to say fuck Rakim and fuck the whole muthafucking eastcoast im tired of reading the same shit...
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I just want to say fuck Rakim and fuck the whole muthafucking eastcoast im tired of reading the same shit...
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Im tired of reading the same shit and im tired of all the dickriding the eastcoast gets. Rakim, Biggie, Jay-z, Big daddy Kane are the most overrated rappers ever. I can name 10 cd:s from the westcoast thats better then any eastcoast cd. Pac is the G.O.A.T no discussion. And if the eastcoast is so fucking great why couldnt nobody answer Pac after he murdered the whole eastcoast on Hit Em Up. Or when Kurupt fucking killed it on New York, New York and the Dogg Pound kicked all their fucking buildings down...??
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Im tired of reading the same shit and im tired of all the dickriding the eastcoast gets. Rakim, Biggie, Jay-z, Big daddy Kane are the most overrated rappers ever. I can name 10 cd:s from the westcoast thats better then any eastcoast cd. Pac is the G.O.A.T no discussion. And if the eastcoast is so fucking great why couldnt nobody answer Pac after he murdered the whole eastcoast on Hit Em Up. Or when Kurupt fucking killed it on New York, New York and the Dogg Pound kicked all their fucking buildings down...??
You should be glad that every artist in your sig wasn't as bias as you. They all adored Rakim and were/are influenced by him, helping in making those great albums.
It's too bad you are so ignorant. Actually all those diss records you mentioned have been responded to. Do your homework before you open your mouth kid.
Serious, how old are you?
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You dont know shit get the fuck outta here with that bullshit. What kind of responses where they?? They where shit.. Fuck rakim
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if there was a GOAT, its gotta be Pac...noone else comes close. Dude had lyrics, flow, delivery...energy, even his beats and crew were doper than most, Any one of his albums could bump the whole way thru and i couldnt complain (Whats ya Phone #? is an exception).
After i saw snoop live he became one of my favorites....but i couldnt even argue a case that he's better than Pac. Maybe he wouldv fallen off eventually...like most of your favorite artists, but he wouldv had time to release another couple dope albums....then probably wouldv ended up concentrating on movies like Cube or Cool J....and musically could have kept making money by releasing the post-death music that has been released anyways.
I just remember that video of pac walking thru the courtroom....chin held high with a cocky swagger...and thinkin' "man, this guy is the king"
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if there was a GOAT, its gotta be Pac...noone else comes close. Dude had lyrics, flow, delivery...energy, even his beats and crew were doper than most, Any one of his albums could bump the whole way thru and i couldnt complain (Whats ya Phone #? is an exception).
After i saw snoop live he became one of my favorites....but i couldnt even argue a case that he's better than Pac. Maybe he wouldv fallen off eventually...like most of your favorite artists, but he wouldv had time to release another couple dope albums....then probably wouldv ended up concentrating on movies like Cube or Cool J....and musically could have kept making money by releasing the post-death music that has been released anyways.
I just remember that video of pac walking thru the courtroom....chin held high with a cocky swagger...and thinkin' "man, this guy is the king"