West Coast Connection Forum
Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: PLANT on October 03, 2005, 05:46:41 PM
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I voted yes.
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should we make a new section for faggots like you,7 even & tex...? ;)
you're on a westcoast forum a.ka. Cali forum ,the Lakers play in L.A,Cali,therefore there's going to be alot of Laker fans
what you should of asked is "should we make a section for eurapeons" so "you" could talk all the soccer you want ;D
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you're on a westcoast forum a.ka. Cali forum ,the Lakers play in L.A,Cali,therefore there's going to be alot of Laker fans
what you should of asked is "should we make a section for eurapeons" so "you" could talk all the soccer you want ;D
exactly you moron.....wow, are you glad you just made youself look like a retard....
and I am not European and I dont like soccer
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you're trying to make it seem like all this Laker talk is getting in the way of your soccer talk...was this thread even necessary?...NO,no one is forcing you to click on the Laker threads :stupid: :P
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How old are you?
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there was no reason for this thread,this is just you been a stupid ass hater
this is a sports section,the Lakers are a b-ball team,b-ball is a sport,therefore Laker topics belong in the SPorts section,
now go kill yourself :sombrero:
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you never answered my question?
you remind me of a 12 year old who kid who wont shut up
How is there no reason for this thread? There is every reason that we made sections like "The G Spot", "Hookup Spot" ect. If you werent such a moron, you would realize that once a section gets flooded with too much of one topic, then its time to make its own section. You said yourself, this is a westocast forum so obviously there are many Laker fans. If you werent so stupid, maybe you would agree with me. If you werent such a moron, you would realize Im not trying to diss you, but trying to clean up this section.
Outbound and G Spot have different sections, so why not S&E?
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Uh......no
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you still haven't kill yourself :P
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ey, all Laker fans aren't bad PLANT...... :boohoo:
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Well, I'm tired of looking through boring Basketball, Baseball, Hockey, Wrestling, American Football threads etc. to see the Football (Soccer) threads, and I'm sure most Americans are tired of all the "Soccer" threads as well.. also seeing "Spurs" in topic titles is distracting, since that's what a lot of people call Tottenham. :P
Imo, the best solution would be separate "Sports" and "Entertainment" sections, with "Football" and "Basketball" as sub-sections of "Sports", but I'm not sure if it would work..
And it would fuck up Seer's "3-3-3 system" :D
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its fine how it is...
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its fine how it is...
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they definetely dont deserve their own section lol. Could you even imagine the kind of perverted "i wanna sit on Kobe's lap" kind of threads that would be poppin up in there? Whoa...might as well just start a "I dont think im gay, but that Bryant guy is just so damn cute" section lol BTW Plant, youre not the only one that notices how obviously immature that Speak On It clown is. Unless he IS like 12 or something...then i guess his responses make sense. One thing i would suggest is combining some of these threads...the mods should do that shit. I dont mean JUST the Laker threads...but sometimes a brand new thread isnt needed EVERYtime someone wants to make a comment. But then again...that problem is MUCH worse in the main forum. How many "Greatest Westcoast MC Ever" threads have there been?
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Could you even imagine the kind of perverted "i wanna sit on Kobe's lap" kind of threads that would be poppin up in there? Whoa...
LMAO!!!
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yeah b/c that's all you see on this section,threads like that, ::) fucking morons,
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We should make a section for Laker haters and people who use up their life to make threads about Laker fans every week...
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It's true there are maybe too much topics about the Lakers. For example you can merge all the topics about the preseason. But i think it's not a good idea to make a whole new section or sub-section for Laker fans only. Just merge some topics and it's ok. Like somebody said, this is a West Coast board, and Lakers are a Los Angeles team. And, other than that, they are the team with more supporters in the States and around the world. So more fans more topics, it's a natural consequence.
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How about a new section for AZ fans?
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We should make a section for Laker haters and people who use up their life to make threads about Laker fans every week...
lol righht....there are at least 5 different threads on page 1 of this section about useless Laker rumors or signings.
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We should make a section for Laker haters and people who use up their life to make threads about Laker fans every week...
lol righht....there are at least 5 different threads on page 1 of this section about useless Laker rumors or signings.
Wrong. There's only 2. "Latrell Sprewell to sign with the Lakers?", which was a big topic of discussion and "Vlade Divac Waived From The Lakers", which deserves to be postsed, since Vlade is a major part of basketball history...Just Stop. Your. Hating.
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I voted yes.. ???
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I voted no, there is no point.
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We should make a section for Laker haters and people who use up their life to make threads about Laker fans every week...
lol righht....there are at least 5 different threads on page 1 of this section about useless Laker rumors or signings.
Wrong. There's only 2. "Latrell Sprewell to sign with the Lakers?", which was a big topic of discussion and "Vlade Divac Waived From The Lakers", which deserves to be postsed, since Vlade is a major part of basketball history...Just Stop. Your. Hating.
threads on page 1 right now...
Pippen to help Odumb...BombFirst
Phil vs Shaq...Antonio
Damn No laker preseason games...That Speak on it Fag
Pacific Division wide open...That Speak on It Fag
Vlade Waived...Under Tha Influence
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We should make a section for Laker haters and people who use up their life to make threads about Laker fans every week...
lol righht....there are at least 5 different threads on page 1 of this section about useless Laker rumors or signings.
Wrong. There's only 2. "Latrell Sprewell to sign with the Lakers?", which was a big topic of discussion and "Vlade Divac Waived From The Lakers", which deserves to be postsed, since Vlade is a major part of basketball history...Just Stop. Your. Hating.
threads on page 1 right now...
Pippen to help Odumb...BombFirst
Phil vs Shaq...Antonio
Damn No laker preseason games...That Speak on it Fag
Pacific Division wide open...That Speak on It Fag
Vlade Waived...Under Tha Influence
Page 2
Latrell to sign with Lakers...Now I Blow
Shawn Kemp to comeback, possibly sign with Lakers...Now I Blow
Lakers sign Corie Blount...That Speak on it Fag
Kobe glad to play for Jackson again...That Speak on it Fag
LMFAO@ Chucky Atkins...Same fag from above
Latrell not coming to LA...Surprise...same fag
Article about Lamar Odom...yup...same fag again
Sunday Conversation with Phil Jackson...wow...him again...
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get off our nuts you piece of shit!
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^nice avator....lol awww....he wuvs his wittle Kobe bear...
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^nice avator....lol awww....he wuvs his wittle Kobe bear...
yeah that was when he won his 3rd straight championship unlike your boy tim duncan :-*
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Stop embarassing yourself man. You really need to grow up.
And please dont tell me to go kill myself :-*
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Stop embarassing yourself man. You really need to grow up.
And please dont tell me to go kill myself :-*
why did you reply' Sweethaert? :kiss2:
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Why the Ducan diss? Im sure he has 3 titles, some NBA MVP Trophies, NBA Finals MVP trophies
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Why the Ducan diss? Im sure he has 3 titles, some NBA MVP Trophies, NBA Finals MVP trophies
cus im a Spurs fan...and that Kobe dick suckers best defense is to try and diss Duncan...like a give a fuck lol. Like i a said a million times, he aint even my favorite player in the league. He's obviously a great player...and many would argue the best in the league. Problem this little boy has is that Duncan has more accolades the his love interest Kobe does. :boohoo:
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And don't forgot the lowest ratings in NBA Finals history duncan has contribute to the NBA..Duncan has yet to win consecutive championships
has Duncan ever sweept the west like kobe and the Lakers? NO
the 99 championships was in a 50 game season ,IT didn't count,,JUST like Phil Jax said..Jordan retired b/c of the 50 game shedule
2003-every Laker was hurt,why didn't the spurs beat the Lakers in 2004? oh yeah,b/c the Lakers were healthy
2005-I'll give it to them but The Lakers desided to re-build,so that had some thing to do with it..
No one takes you serious..you're a spur fan...you just came off getting your ass beat in the phil jax era..Papovich's worst nightmare is back ,, PHIL jACKSON ;D
http://www.nbahoy.com.ar/playoffs2001eng.htm
http://www.nbahoy.com.ar/playoffs/playoffs02lakersspurs.htm
2004-you lost again-D.Fish 0.4 second shot ;D
and like i said.kobes best playoff games have come against the Spurs wich explains your ignorent comments on kobe..i see right through your dumbass..
Kobe 3 championships>>Spurs 3 fake championships
kobe 4 finals appearances>>>SPurs 3 Finals appearances :-*
now go hop back on shaqs dick you faggot :camp: and then go kill yourself :-*
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has Duncan ever sweept the west like kobe and the Lakers? NO
Has Kobe ever won shit without Shaq on his team? NO
So until Kobe wins something on his own or at least even makes playoffs, its pointless for you to even make comments like this.
Another thing, why do you choose to end each post with "Now go and kill yourself"?
And I know Ive asked you this before, but how old are you again?
I have 10 year old cousins more intelligent than you.
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And don't forgot the lowest ratings in NBA Finals history duncan has contribute to the NBA..Duncan has yet to win consecutive championships
has Duncan ever sweept the west like kobe and the Lakers? NO
the 99 championships was in a 50 game season ,IT didn't count,,JUST like Phil Jax said..Jordan retired b/c of the 50 game shedule
2003-every Laker was hurt,why didn't the spurs beat the Lakers in 2004? oh yeah,b/c the Lakers were healthy
2005-I'll give it to them but The Lakers desided to re-build,so that had some thing to do with it..
No one takes you serious..you're a spur fan...you just came off getting your ass beat in the phil jax era..Papovich's worst nightmare is back ,, PHIL jACKSON ;D
http://www.nbahoy.com.ar/playoffs2001eng.htm
http://www.nbahoy.com.ar/playoffs/playoffs02lakersspurs.htm
2004-you lost again-D.Fish 0.4 second shot ;D
and like i said.kobes best playoff games have come against the Spurs wich explains your ignorent comments on kobe..i see right through your dumbass..
Kobe 3 championships>>Spurs 3 fake championships
kobe 4 finals appearances>>>SPurs 3 Finals appearances :-*
now go hop back on shaqs dick you faggot :camp: and then go kill yourself :-*
What do ratings have to do with anything? This is how i know that youre a little kid. Who gives a shit about popularity? Do you not get to hang out with the cool kids at school or something? And how are the Lakers 3 championships any more REAL then the Spurs? LOL you make yourself sound so stupid. Our team was just as injured (including Duncan) during that championship run we had where you claim your team was so injured. Like ive said a million times...how does ANY championship NOT count? How fuckin retarded are you? You think that EVERY single team that year wasnt trying to win the championship? Of course they were...but only one did. Duncan and Kobe have the same amount of rings...with Duncan having obviously a much better shot at more. How many Finals MVP's does Kobe have? How many league MVP's does Kobe have? What has Kobe ever done as the actual leader of his team? Nothing. Will Kobe have a shot at a championship this year? No. Will he have a shot at one within the next 3 years...i SERIOUSLY doubt it (and so does Phil). Get your shit together before you respond again little boy.
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Tipical Shaq Dick ryding comments..you don't shit about Laker B-Ball..shaq didn't bring shit to L.A..I know,i'm a Lakers Fan,it took a team effort to win those championships.."PLANT".. Starting with Phil Jax,B.Shaw,Horry,Ron Harper,D.Fish.R.Fox (all them made big shots for us) and of course Kobe who was mr.4rth quarter for the Lakers,it took all those guys...i don't know what you saw,you probably couldn't see that with shaq's dick in your face...shaq must hate looking @ those championships knowing the only reason he has them is b/c of phil & kobe ;D
And Tex, shut the fuck up,i didn't even bother reading your crap,i already know what you wrote with out reading it..just know i enjoy taking shits on the spurs,it always brings a smile to my face :)
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Tipical Shaq Dick ryding comments..you don't shit about Laker B-Ball..shaq didn't bring shit to L.A..I know,i'm a Lakers Fan,it took a team effort to win those championships.."PLANT".. Starting with Phil Jax,B.Shaw,Horry,Ron Harper,D.Fish.R.Fox (all them made big shots for us) and of course Kobe who was mr.4rth quarter for the Lakers,it took all those guys...i don't know what you saw,you probably couldn't see that with shaq's dick in your face...shaq must hate looking @ those championships knowing the only reason he has them is b/c of phil & kobe ;D
And Tex, shut the fuck up,i didn't even bother reading your crap,i already know what you wrote with out reading it..just know i enjoy taking shits on the spurs,it always brings a smile to my face :)
do you realize that no one who replied there was a "Shaq fan". So the whole Shaq Dickrider comment is just stupid. Its just obvious to anyone other then a Kobe lover that Shaq was the main focus in those championships. If you dont know that, you dont know basketball...and youve already proven that.
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Its just obvious to anyone other then a Kobe lover that Shaq was the main focus in those championships. If you dont know that, you dont know basketball...
Extremely dumb comment, as this argument has went both ways by many analysts and basketball heads...You are a hater. :-*
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How was Shaq NOT the main focus? No Shaq = No Titles. That's real. Kobe is good, but he's nothing without Shaq. With Shaq in the paint, it left a lot of oppurtunity for Kobe and the other players. Without Shaq, those oppurtunities had to be made by the players themselves, obviously Kobe had trouble doing that last season.
Shaq proved his worth with the Heat. Sure they lost, but they did MUCH better than Kobe and the Lakers. I don't even know how this can be argued by any sane person. Compare what Shaq has done without Kobe to what Kobe has done without Shaq. See who's career looks better.
Speak On It is just an immature kid who has no real sense when it comes to proving a point.
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How was Shaq NOT the main focus? No Shaq = No Titles. That's real. Kobe is good, but he's nothing without Shaq. With Shaq in the paint, it left a lot of oppurtunity for Kobe and the other players. Without Shaq, those oppurtunities had to be made by the players themselves, obviously Kobe had trouble doing that last season.
Shaq proved his worth with the Heat. Sure they lost, but they did MUCH better than Kobe and the Lakers. I don't even know how this can be argued by any sane person. Compare what Shaq has done without Kobe to what Kobe has done without Shaq. See who's career looks better.
Speak On It is just an immature kid who has no real sense when it comes to proving a point.
LMAO...Shaq obviously couldn't win a championship with all-star guards (Penny, Eddie Jones, Wade)...It was only with Kobe in the picture when Shaq made his fat ass useful. The Heat, obviously, did better than the Lakers last season. But that same Heat team without Shaq made it to the 2nd round of the playoffs the previous season while Kobe was basically placed on an expansion team...SGV, stay out of basketball arguments for your own sake. :-*
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Bunch of shaq dick ryders,they don't know shit about Laker B-Ball,i know what i saw,if it wasn't for certain players hitting big shots (horry,B,shaw,R.Harper,Fisher, and of course kobe mr 4rth quarter) for the Lakers ,"fatboy" would only have 0 rings..maybe 1..shaq is over rated,and the reason i say that is b/c he plays no defence,only once the Lakers were in the top 10 in defence when shaq was here,,the way he talks about himself "I'm the MDE" ,no you aint..the media kisses his ass,the dick ryders give him to much credit..
and this whole thing about kobe aint shit with out shaq proves you faggots are the real dick ryders,,,kobe almost won the MVP and scoring tittle a couple years ago when shaq was injured and fat the whole year,but of course shaq cocked block,but thats a whole nother story..
kobe has been by himself one year..he had a "crappy" team,with his best player been L.Odom playing out of position
shaq has had,penny,kobe,D.Wade..big fucking difference..
and kobe still ang 27 PPG,in a crappy system with no good passers,,, he got his 6 RPG and a "Career high" in assist,he was top 3 in FT's attemps Per game..
i come to realization that you guys are the "real" dick ryders...you don't know shit about Laker B-Ball and the history between shaq and kobe..you faggots were the same people hating on shaq,saying everything Laker fans are saying but now you're licking his balls..Pathetic
and SGV,shut the fuck up,you don't know shit
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Why is it so difficult to understand that in the season and throughout the playoffs Shaq was statistically and on the court more valueable than Kobe? Kobe was an extremely close 2nd...thats why they won titles because they had the best Center, the BEst Guard and the best coach? Nobody should give a fuck how if it wasnt for this thing here or that thing there this would have happen and blah blah blah blah. Jesus, take out Shaq and replace him with the 2nd best Center in the team= no rings. OMG GUESS What take out Kobe and replace him with the next best Guard= no rings, omg take out Phil and replace him with the 2nd best coach in the leuage= no rings.
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Why is it so difficult to understand that in the season and throughout the playoffs Shaq was statistically and on the court more valueable than Kobe? Kobe was an extremely close 2nd...thats why they won titles because they had the best Center, the BEst Guard and the best coach? Nobody should give a fuck how if it wasnt for this thing here or that thing there this would have happen and blah blah blah blah. Jesus, take out Shaq and replace him with the 2nd best Center in the team= no rings. OMG GUESS What take out Kobe and replace him with the next best Guard= no rings, omg take out Phil and replace him with the 2nd best coach in the leuage= no rings.
well the shaq dick ryders will never see it that way...
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How was Shaq NOT the main focus? No Shaq = No Titles. That's real. Kobe is good, but he's nothing without Shaq. With Shaq in the paint, it left a lot of oppurtunity for Kobe and the other players. Without Shaq, those oppurtunities had to be made by the players themselves, obviously Kobe had trouble doing that last season.
Shaq proved his worth with the Heat. Sure they lost, but they did MUCH better than Kobe and the Lakers. I don't even know how this can be argued by any sane person. Compare what Shaq has done without Kobe to what Kobe has done without Shaq. See who's career looks better.
Speak On It is just an immature kid who has no real sense when it comes to proving a point.
LMAO...Shaq obviously couldn't win a championship with all-star guards (Penny, Eddie Jones, Wade)...It was only with Kobe in the picture when Shaq made his fat ass useful. The Heat, obviously, did better than the Lakers last season. But that same Heat team without Shaq made it to the 2nd round of the playoffs the previous season while Kobe was basically placed on an expansion team...SGV, stay out of basketball arguments for your own sake. :-*
Actually without Phil Jackson, there would have been no championships.
Also, look at how poorly the Lakers played when Shaq was hurt. I recall the 2002-2003 season, when Shaq was hurt for the first 2 months and the Lakers had a losing record until Shaq returned. Shaq was the focal point and the most valuable player on those Laker squads, that's obvious. To say otherwise is just blind hate.
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LMAO...Shaq obviously couldn't win a championship with all-star guards (Penny, Eddie Jones, Wade)...It was only with Kobe in the picture when Shaq made his fat ass useful. The Heat, obviously, did better than the Lakers last season. But that same Heat team without Shaq made it to the 2nd round of the playoffs the previous season while Kobe was basically placed on an expansion team...SGV, stay out of basketball arguments for your own sake. :-*
LMAO...I stated they didn't win the championship, why re-iterate what I already wrote? And while, they made it only to the 2nd round without him, the Heat made it to the finals WITH Shaq, which proves he bettered the team. Of course, once they jell together they'd do much better (Meaning they have a GREAT chance at the title again). Kobe had Lamar Odom, Brian Grant, Caron Butler, Chucky Atkins with George, Slava and Walton returning. Far from expansion team to me. Sure, they were new to each other as a whole, but many of them have played together before. Kobe, as a leader, should've brought them all together. He OBVIOUSLY failed at that. But, Shaq, as a leader, he did well for his team.
Now, I'm using logic here, so how can you, NIK or Speak On It, say I don't know shit?
I love how you really make no valid point so you say shit like "stay out of basketball arguments for your own sake."
Kobe nut riders... got to love em.
They LOVED Shaq with the Lakers (never called him fat, always defended him) but when their man Kobe didn't like them, neither did they. Grown men slobbering on another man? Ugh... That's disgusting. Be ashamed of yourselves Kobe (um) fans...
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LMAO...Shaq obviously couldn't win a championship with all-star guards (Penny, Eddie Jones, Wade)...It was only with Kobe in the picture when Shaq made his fat ass useful. The Heat, obviously, did better than the Lakers last season. But that same Heat team without Shaq made it to the 2nd round of the playoffs the previous season while Kobe was basically placed on an expansion team...SGV, stay out of basketball arguments for your own sake. :-*
LMAO...I stated they didn't win the championship, why re-iterate what I already wrote? And while, they made it only to the 2nd round without him, the Heat made it to the finals WITH Shaq, which proves he bettered the team. Of course, once they jell together they'd do much better (Meaning they have a GREAT chance at the title again). Kobe had Lamar Odom, Brian Grant, Caron Butler, Chucky Atkins with George, Slava and Walton returning. Far from expansion team to me. Sure, they were new to each other as a whole, but many of them have played together before. Kobe, as a leader, should've brought them all together. He OBVIOUSLY failed at that. But, Shaq, as a leader, he did well for his team.
Now, I'm using logic here, so how can you, NIK or Speak On It, say I don't know shit?
I love how you really make no valid point so you say shit like "stay out of basketball arguments for your own sake."
Kobe nut riders... got to love em.
They LOVED Shaq with the Lakers (never called him fat, always defended him) but when their man Kobe didn't like them, neither did they. Grown men slobbering on another man? Ugh... That's disgusting. Be ashamed of yourselves Kobe (um) fans...
shut the fuck up..you don't know shit..just a nother brain washed shaq dick ryding faggot
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How was Shaq NOT the main focus? No Shaq = No Titles. That's real. Kobe is good, but he's nothing without Shaq. With Shaq in the paint, it left a lot of oppurtunity for Kobe and the other players. Without Shaq, those oppurtunities had to be made by the players themselves, obviously Kobe had trouble doing that last season.
Shaq proved his worth with the Heat. Sure they lost, but they did MUCH better than Kobe and the Lakers. I don't even know how this can be argued by any sane person. Compare what Shaq has done without Kobe to what Kobe has done without Shaq. See who's career looks better.
Speak On It is just an immature kid who has no real sense when it comes to proving a point.
LMAO...Shaq obviously couldn't win a championship with all-star guards (Penny, Eddie Jones, Wade)...It was only with Kobe in the picture when Shaq made his fat ass useful. The Heat, obviously, did better than the Lakers last season. But that same Heat team without Shaq made it to the 2nd round of the playoffs the previous season while Kobe was basically placed on an expansion team...SGV, stay out of basketball arguments for your own sake. :-*
Actually without Phil Jackson, there would have been no championships.
Also, look at how poorly the Lakers played when Shaq was hurt. I recall the 2002-2003 season, when Shaq was hurt for the first 2 months and the Lakers had a losing record until Shaq returned. Shaq was the focal point and the most valuable player on those Laker squads, that's obvious. To say otherwise is just blind hate.
shaq desided to have his toe surjurey and get in shape during company time that season..he ruined the entire flow that season...kobe brought us back with all those 40 point games (lakers went 7-2) ...they should of won 55 + games but shaq showed his jealousy that he has for kobe once again by saying he wasn't happy with his role...earlier that season shaq said kobe is shooting alot and making all his shots,so as long as he's making them and we're winning that's all it matters"..
But back to that other quote..shaq said he wasn't happy with his lesser role ,,translation it looks like the Lakers could win with out me,and kobe could win MVP's & scoring tittles and lead the Lakers to 55+ wins..so i need the offence to go back through me'..
It did,shaq wasn't the same,he sucked,Fans were saying on sports radio "why is the offence going through shaq..kobe was doing a great job"....so b/c the offence went back going through shaq the Lakers ended up loosing a bunch of games @ the end og the season and only won 50 games...and kobe didn't get his scoring tittle and MVP,shaq wasn't going to allowed that shit to happend,kobe getting a MVP & scoring tittle would of been a threat to "Fatboy"
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shut the fuck up..you don't know shit..just a nother brain washed shaq dick ryding faggot
LMAO @ This. Yup... You're an idiot.
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shut the fuck up..you don't know shit..just a nother brain washed shaq dick ryding faggot
LMAO @ This. Yup... You're an idiot.
you're the one with 2500 negative karma..it seems alot of people think you're an idiot :laugh: :-*
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you're the one with 2500 negative karma..it seems alot of people think you're an idiot :laugh: :-*
That comes from weenies like you who have a one track mind and don't like when others have a different opinion.
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shut the fuck up..you don't know shit..just a nother brain washed shaq dick ryding faggot
LMAO @ This. Yup... You're an idiot.
you're the one with 2500 negative karma..it seems alot of people think you're an idiot :laugh: :-*
why would anyone above the age of 12 give a shit about Karma? All it proves is whether youve had multiple arguments with immature little kids or not. You PM'd me askin me to post up some pics of naked bitches in the G-Spot to help my Karma...which obviously proves youve been hittin me with negative Karma. lol What a loser. Get a life little boy...go get your first piece of ass (female if possible) so you can get off Kobe's nuts.
Like SGV said...when Shaq was a Laker...he was "the most DOMINANT player ever!". Now you guys pretend like he isnt shit...and it was really Kobe who brought those rings. Pick an opinion. Dont just act like spoiled little girls when your first crush turns his back on you...."i didnt like him ANYways!". Grow up yall....and keep your fingers crossed for a playoff spot this year...
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LMAO...Shaq obviously couldn't win a championship with all-star guards (Penny, Eddie Jones, Wade)...It was only with Kobe in the picture when Shaq made his fat ass useful. The Heat, obviously, did better than the Lakers last season. But that same Heat team without Shaq made it to the 2nd round of the playoffs the previous season while Kobe was basically placed on an expansion team...SGV, stay out of basketball arguments for your own sake. :-*
He made it to the finals in Penny's second season in the NBA, and made it to the conference finals and could have made the finals with Wade in his second season. Not bad at all... Shaqs obviously been useful (and more useful than Kobe), just look at his track record. Took the Magic to the finals, took Lakers to finals, took Heat one game from finals in his first year there. Obviously Kobe played a MAJOR role in the 3 rings, but you are downplaying shaq so much its funny.
The SAME heat team without shaq made it to the 2nd round? Thats funny, I coulda swore that team featured Lamar Odom, Brian Grant and Butler all contributing a lot to that team. Last years heat was completely different, dont make it out as if its the same only difference is Shaq... they traded away 3 key players for one...
Notice how people all wanted to sign with the Lakers during their run on top, now people are signing up with the Heat (Jones, Mourning, Person last season, J Will, Walker, Payton etc this season)... Shaq is way more influential on a game than Kobe at this stage. Having Shaq makes a team INSTANT contenders, having Kobe makes you nothing but a team with an awesome player, check last season...expansion team my arse, there were some nice players on the roster...
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yeah b/c you're "leecher faggot" contribute to this forum instead of just saying stupid stuff
and lol @ you faggots getting owned..now it's come to telling me i'm a lil boy and i need to get a girl and to stop riding kobes nuts :loser: :loser:
like i said ,,you guys are the real dick ryders...no one said shaq wasn't dominent and the best b-ball player @ that time.that has nothing to do with why we hate shaq,Laker fans don't even argue who was responsible for those championships,(We know it takes a team effort to win championships,unlike you morons)you guys are the ones who always bring that up when people are saying some real stuff about shaq..that's your #1 defense when it comes to protecting your boy toy shaq...fucking faggots..this is why EVERYONE IN L.A IS SAYING FUCK SHAQ..IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHOS REALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CHAMPIONSHIPS BLAH BLAH BLAH..GET IT THROUGH YOUR STUPID THICK HEADS,THIS IS WHY NO ONE IN L.A LIKES SHAQ...
And some thing else i noticed when Laker fans start telling the truth about shaq,the shaq dick ryders defence is " he brought 3 championships to L.A"
First of all,we're not arguing who was responsible for those championships,any real sports fan would know it takes a team effort..
and second of all,we have a problem with shaq b/c he dogged it the Last couple of years he was in L.A,he got away with it earlier b/c we were winning championships but he crossed the line the summer after we won that 3rd championship by saying "i'm going to have my toe surjurie during company time and get in shape" ..
what the fuck was that about?,he disrespected the franchise and the city by doing that shit.. Dr Buss had just gave him an extension on his contract and this is how shaq re-pays him?
And shaq just ruined the chance of us winning a 4rth straight championships b/c he was hurt and FAT the whole year,meanwhile kobe is working his ass off to get better,and he did,he avg 30 ppg that year and almost won the scoring tittle and MVP but shaq cocked blocked by complaining about his lesser role and the offence when back going through shaq and the Lakers lost a bunch of games b/c shaq wasn't the same player that we were used tom seen,that's when Laker fans staarted complaining about shaq on sports radio and giving kobe props for been a hard worker and getting better every year and not dogging it like shaq..and BTW the Lakers only won 50 games that season thanxz to shaq cock bloking on kobe..
and then when the season ended,kobe desides to option out and the next thing you know shaq is screaming @ dr.buss during a pre-season game "are you going to gime me my money now!!!!!!!!!"...knowing kobe was going to option out,why would you put a team in a situation to break up the team? to ether give you all the money or the other player all the money?..take a pay-cut!!!
and then he gets traded and starts acting like a bitch all year long and still is..and he's trying to spin it like he's the innocent one,fuck that fat bitch..
there's a reason why Laker fans have kobes back,i just explained to you why but of course you shaq dick ryders will call the guys who have kobes back dick ryders when in reality,you guys are the real dick ryders when it comes to this whole shaq & kobe thing
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LMAO...Shaq obviously couldn't win a championship with all-star guards (Penny, Eddie Jones, Wade)...It was only with Kobe in the picture when Shaq made his fat ass useful. The Heat, obviously, did better than the Lakers last season. But that same Heat team without Shaq made it to the 2nd round of the playoffs the previous season while Kobe was basically placed on an expansion team...SGV, stay out of basketball arguments for your own sake. :-*
He made it to the finals in Penny's second season in the NBA, and made it to the conference finals and could have made the finals with Wade in his second season. Not bad at all... Shaqs obviously been useful (and more useful than Kobe), just look at his track record. Took the Magic to the finals, took Lakers to finals, took Heat one game from finals in his first year there. Obviously Kobe played a MAJOR role in the 3 rings, but you are downplaying shaq so much its funny.
The SAME heat team without shaq made it to the 2nd round? Thats funny, I coulda swore that team featured Lamar Odom, Brian Grant and Butler all contributing a lot to that team. Last years heat was completely different, dont make it out as if its the same only difference is Shaq... they traded away 3 key players for one...
Notice how people all wanted to sign with the Lakers during their run on top, now people are signing up with the Heat (Jones, Mourning, Person last season, J Will, Walker, Payton etc this season)... Shaq is way more influential on a game than Kobe at this stage. Having Shaq makes a team INSTANT contenders, having Kobe makes you nothing but a team with an awesome player, check last season...expansion team my arse, there were some nice players on the roster...
First of all no laker fan is down playing shaq,you dick ryders give him to much crited b/c it's cool these days to hate on kobe..
2nd of all the players the heat got came from a trade,they already had jones last season,GP sucks..and some of those players you mention are garbage....M.finley went to SA b/c he wanted to win a championship,so don't give that shit about people wanting to play with shaq to win a championship b/c all the Lakers did was sign roll players,and guys at their end of their career's who wanted to win championships b/c of the "TEAM" the Lakers had,wich included kobe and phil..again,,you're giving to much credit to shaq..any championship team will attract the best roll players available,that's the way it's been for ever...
and kobe has been by himself 1 yearhe had crappy/2 avg players,and you're already judging him,shaq has had waaaaay better 2nd options in his career,give kobe KG of TD or amare stoudmire and lets see who wins a championship first
and that heat team,went 42-40 and got homecourt advantege in the pathetic eastern conference,and beat the sorry ass hornets in game 7 @ home,like they should
and the reason you're saying the Lakers had some good players it's just to make it seem like kobe had good players but he's not great like shaq...kobe had some horrible players and 2 avg players,i want to see shaq play with the team kobe had last season and lest see what happens
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This is for the ones who think this board is full of evil Kobe-Haters and/or Shaq-Dickriders, Laker haters and/or Clipper-Dickriders and what not.
What the world thinks (depending on stats only, I give you that, still):
http://www.nba.com/fantasy/features/top_50.html
http://www.nba.com/fantasy/features/shootingguards_051011.html
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yeah b/c you're "leecher faggot" contribute to this forum instead of just saying stupid stuff
and lol @ you faggots getting owned..now it's come to telling me i'm a lil boy and i need to get a girl and to stop riding kobes nuts :loser: :loser:
like i said ,,you guys are the real dick ryders...no one said shaq wasn't dominent and the best b-ball player @ that time.that has nothing to do with why we hate shaq,Laker fans don't even argue who was responsible for those championships,(We know it takes a team effort to win championships,unlike you morons)you guys are the ones who always bring that up when people are saying some real stuff about shaq..that's your #1 defense when it comes to protecting your boy toy shaq...fucking faggots..this is why EVERYONE IN L.A IS SAYING FUCK SHAQ..IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHOS REALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CHAMPIONSHIPS BLAH BLAH BLAH..GET IT THROUGH YOUR STUPID THICK HEADS,THIS IS WHY NO ONE IN L.A LIKES SHAQ...
funny that when anyone says Shaq was responsible for those championships...you will say it was a team effort. But your losing season last year wasnt a TEAM EFFORT...it was everyone ELSES fault BUT Kobe's. ::) Now thats retarded...
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How was Shaq NOT the main focus? No Shaq = No Titles. That's real. Kobe is good, but he's nothing without Shaq. With Shaq in the paint, it left a lot of oppurtunity for Kobe and the other players. Without Shaq, those oppurtunities had to be made by the players themselves, obviously Kobe had trouble doing that last season.
Shaq proved his worth with the Heat. Sure they lost, but they did MUCH better than Kobe and the Lakers. I don't even know how this can be argued by any sane person. Compare what Shaq has done without Kobe to what Kobe has done without Shaq. See who's career looks better.
Speak On It is just an immature kid who has no real sense when it comes to proving a point.
LMAO...Shaq obviously couldn't win a championship with all-star guards (Penny, Eddie Jones, Wade)...It was only with Kobe in the picture when Shaq made his fat ass useful. The Heat, obviously, did better than the Lakers last season. But that same Heat team without Shaq made it to the 2nd round of the playoffs the previous season while Kobe was basically placed on an expansion team...SGV, stay out of basketball arguments for your own sake. :-*
Actually without Phil Jackson, there would have been no championships.
Also, look at how poorly the Lakers played when Shaq was hurt. I recall the 2002-2003 season, when Shaq was hurt for the first 2 months and the Lakers had a losing record until Shaq returned. Shaq was the focal point and the most valuable player on those Laker squads, that's obvious. To say otherwise is just blind hate.
Ther first championship year, Shaq was the most valuable to the Lakers, no questions asked...The next 2 championships, I believe Kobe aided Shaq a lot more than Shaq aided Kobe. Shaq was already on a decline by championship number 2, and by championship number 3 Shaq was selfishly ruining Kobe's MVP season by practically begging for the spotlight back...Do you guys remember how much Shaq used to praise Kobe? He used to publically admit that Kobe bailed the Lakers out in almost every post-game interview... ::)
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LMAO...Shaq obviously couldn't win a championship with all-star guards (Penny, Eddie Jones, Wade)...It was only with Kobe in the picture when Shaq made his fat ass useful. The Heat, obviously, did better than the Lakers last season. But that same Heat team without Shaq made it to the 2nd round of the playoffs the previous season while Kobe was basically placed on an expansion team...SGV, stay out of basketball arguments for your own sake. :-*
LMAO...I stated they didn't win the championship, why re-iterate what I already wrote? And while, they made it only to the 2nd round without him, the Heat made it to the finals WITH Shaq, which proves he bettered the team. Of course, once they jell together they'd do much better (Meaning they have a GREAT chance at the title again). Kobe had Lamar Odom, Brian Grant, Caron Butler, Chucky Atkins with George, Slava and Walton returning. Far from expansion team to me. Sure, they were new to each other as a whole, but many of them have played together before. Kobe, as a leader, should've brought them all together. He OBVIOUSLY failed at that. But, Shaq, as a leader, he did well for his team.
Now, I'm using logic here, so how can you, NIK or Speak On It, say I don't know shit?
I love how you really make no valid point so you say shit like "stay out of basketball arguments for your own sake."
Kobe nut riders... got to love em.
They LOVED Shaq with the Lakers (never called him fat, always defended him) but when their man Kobe didn't like them, neither did they. Grown men slobbering on another man? Ugh... That's disgusting. Be ashamed of yourselves Kobe (um) fans...
LMAO...Shaq really improved the Heat? Wow, what a surprise. I didn't know that adding one of the greatest centers to ever play the game would improve your team. SGV, you sound idiotic. Shaq promised Miami a championship last season, and even with a much stronger and improved Dwayne Wade by his side, he couldn't deliver. Now, Kobe, he had 9 new players on his team with a brand new coaching staff and a whole new system. Not to mention, he didn't have an all-star player by his side to bail him out, and the roll players lacked a whole lot. Then we had the injuries (Brian Grant, Vlade Divac, George, Kobe, Odom, etc.) and the mid-season catashtrophe (Rudy-T's departure), which left everyone confused. The Lakers went the rest of the season uncoached, and that's your story...You obviously don't know much about basketball, and it shows. Tell me, do you honestly think that Kobe on last years Heat team would NOT have made the playoffs? Shit, that same Heat team was playing better WITHOUT Shaq in the last playoffs...This is why you should stay the fuck out of these basketball threads and stick to dancing with drunk sluts. :-*
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all i got to say is i'm seeing the lakers tonight in bako....go lakers
and shaq=GCOAT (greatest center of all time)
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This is for the ones who think this board is full of evil Kobe-Haters and/or Shaq-Dickriders, Laker haters and/or Clipper-Dickriders and what not.
What the world thinks (depending on stats only, I give you that, still):
http://www.nba.com/fantasy/features/top_50.html
http://www.nba.com/fantasy/features/shootingguards_051011.html
LOL...Obviously. They're basing that on last season...
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yeah b/c you're "leecher faggot" contribute to this forum instead of just saying stupid stuff
and lol @ you faggots getting owned..now it's come to telling me i'm a lil boy and i need to get a girl and to stop riding kobes nuts :loser: :loser:
like i said ,,you guys are the real dick ryders...no one said shaq wasn't dominent and the best b-ball player @ that time.that has nothing to do with why we hate shaq,Laker fans don't even argue who was responsible for those championships,(We know it takes a team effort to win championships,unlike you morons)you guys are the ones who always bring that up when people are saying some real stuff about shaq..that's your #1 defense when it comes to protecting your boy toy shaq...fucking faggots..this is why EVERYONE IN L.A IS SAYING FUCK SHAQ..IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHOS REALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CHAMPIONSHIPS BLAH BLAH BLAH..GET IT THROUGH YOUR STUPID THICK HEADS,THIS IS WHY NO ONE IN L.A LIKES SHAQ...
funny that when anyone says Shaq was responsible for those championships...you will say it was a team effort. But your losing season last year wasnt a TEAM EFFORT...it was everyone ELSES fault BUT Kobe's. ::) Now thats retarded...
That's because there was no team last year...It was a bunch of players thrown together on the court who were told to "run and gun" by someone who wasn't even a coach. Organized basketball consists of a lot more, and believe it or not, it's not all in Kobe's hands...PeACe
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LMAO...Shaq really improved the Heat? Wow, what a surprise. I didn't know that adding one of the greatest centers to ever play the game would improve your team. SGV, you sound idiotic. Shaq promised Miami a championship last season, and even with a much stronger and improved Dwayne Wade by his side, he couldn't deliver. Now, Kobe, he had 9 new players on his team with a brand new coaching staff and a whole new system. Not to mention, he didn't have an all-star player by his side to bail him out, and the roll players lacked a whole lot. Then we had the injuries (Brian Grant, Vlade Divac, George, Kobe, Odom, etc.) and the mid-season catashtrophe (Rudy-T's departure), which left everyone confused. The Lakers went the rest of the season uncoached, and that's your story...You obviously don't know much about basketball, and it shows. Tell me, do you honestly think that Kobe on last years Heat team would NOT have made the playoffs? Shit, that same Heat team was playing better WITHOUT Shaq in the last playoffs...This is why you should stay the fuck out of these basketball threads and stick to dancing with drunk sluts. :-*
Uh... How do I sound idiotic? That doesn't make sense. By stating that Shaq improved the Heat... I'm an idiot? LOL. OK buddy. Everyone promises their team titles, it's what they do. Would you rather them say "Hey, well I'm not sure if we'll win a title, but fuck it, let's play anyway!!" Yea, he had 9 new players, but 6 of those players had played together on another team (the 3 from Miami and the 3 from Boston), so you already had players familiar with each other. These are all veterans, so to blame a new coach for their troubles is ridiculous. They just couldn't jell together, period. Who's to blame for that? The Captain. If Pippen was ever hurt, who did he have to back him up? Nobody. Don't give me that all-star bs. Jordan made dudes like Bill Wenington, Will Perdue etc. matter. That's a good leader. See how you run out of logical explanations and you say "you don't know much." What shows that? LOL. You're funny. Kobe with that Heat team would've not done well. He's not a good leader, that was proven last year. The Heat made it as far as they did thanks to Shaq... I'll continue to post in Basketball threads, because you're not saying shit that is worthwhile. LOL @ You not having shit to say so you bring up chicks. Yea dogg, that's how I know I'm right here.
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if the heat wern't as beat up as they were at the end of their season last year they woulda played the spurs in the finals....if they were able to beat them or not woulda been nice to see, but we'll have to wait til june next year to find out if that'll happen
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LMAO...Shaq really improved the Heat? Wow, what a surprise. I didn't know that adding one of the greatest centers to ever play the game would improve your team. SGV, you sound idiotic. Shaq promised Miami a championship last season, and even with a much stronger and improved Dwayne Wade by his side, he couldn't deliver. Now, Kobe, he had 9 new players on his team with a brand new coaching staff and a whole new system. Not to mention, he didn't have an all-star player by his side to bail him out, and the roll players lacked a whole lot. Then we had the injuries (Brian Grant, Vlade Divac, George, Kobe, Odom, etc.) and the mid-season catashtrophe (Rudy-T's departure), which left everyone confused. The Lakers went the rest of the season uncoached, and that's your story...You obviously don't know much about basketball, and it shows. Tell me, do you honestly think that Kobe on last years Heat team would NOT have made the playoffs? Shit, that same Heat team was playing better WITHOUT Shaq in the last playoffs...This is why you should stay the fuck out of these basketball threads and stick to dancing with drunk sluts. :-*
Uh... How do I sound idiotic? That doesn't make sense. By stating that Shaq improved the Heat... I'm an idiot? LOL. OK buddy. Everyone promises their team titles, it's what they do. Would you rather them say "Hey, well I'm not sure if we'll win a title, but fuck it, let's play anyway!!" Yea, he had 9 new players, but 6 of those players had played together on another team (the 3 from Miami and the 3 from Boston), so you already had players familiar with each other. These are all veterans, so to blame a new coach for their troubles is ridiculous. They just couldn't jell together, period. Who's to blame for that? The Captain. If Pippen was ever hurt, who did he have to back him up? Nobody. Don't give me that all-star bs. Jordan made dudes like Bill Wenington, Will Perdue etc. matter. That's a good leader. See how you run out of logical explanations and you say "you don't know much." What shows that? LOL. You're funny. Kobe with that Heat team would've not done well. He's not a good leader, that was proven last year. The Heat made it as far as they did thanks to Shaq... I'll continue to post in Basketball threads, because you're not saying shit that is worthwhile. LOL @ You not having shit to say so you bring up chicks. Yea dogg, that's how I know I'm right here.
LMAO...Everyone doesn't promise their team and the WHOLE city an NBA championship, unless they can act upon their promises. Usually, at most, a player will claim his team has a good shot, but never actually promise it like Shaq did. The Lakers were a fucking brand new team, stop making up shit. "They played together in the past". LOL, so Chris Mihm, Chucky Atkins, and Jumain Jones played together for one season before on a different team. Caron Butler, Brian Grant, and Lamar Odom also played together for 1 season before on a different team. Do you honestly believe that dumping them all together onto a roster with the best returning player on that team (other than Kobe) being Slava Medvadenko makes the team a familiar one? And what about Rudy-T and his quick departure, completely fucking up the plan Lakers had for the season, and sending them on a downhill tumble? And to blame the coach is ridiculous? Listen, no one is blaming the coach, but it's pretty obvious that a coach makes a significant difference, and playing without a head coach will harm your team greatly. That's common sense. Kobe can do so much, I mean, Jordan couldn't "lead" the Wizards to the playoffs in the EAST for 2 consecutive years, and he's supposed to be the greatest ever. But all that doesn't mean anything. Jordan never made Bill Wennington matter. LMAO. Chris Mihm is twice the player Bill Wennington ever was, but that has nothing to do with Kobe or Jordan...You need to know basketball in order to speak basketball. Unfortunately, you're only speakin.
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LMAO...Everyone doesn't promise their team and the WHOLE city an NBA championship, unless they can act upon their promises. Usually, at most, a player will claim his team has a good shot, but never actually promise it like Shaq did. The Lakers were a fucking brand new team, stop making up shit. "They played together in the past". LOL, so Chris Mihm, Chucky Atkins, and Jumain Jones played together for one season before on a different team. Caron Butler, Brian Grant, and Lamar Odom also played together for 1 season before on a different team. Do you honestly believe that dumping them all together onto a roster with the best returning player on that team (other than Kobe) being Slava Medvadenko makes the team a familiar one? And what about Rudy-T and his quick departure, completely fucking up the plan Lakers had for the season, and sending them on a downhill tumble? And to blame the coach is ridiculous? Listen, no one is blaming the coach, but it's pretty obvious that a coach makes a significant difference, and playing without a head coach will harm your team greatly. That's common sense. Kobe can do so much, I mean, Jordan couldn't "lead" the Wizards to the playoffs in the EAST for 2 consecutive years, and he's supposed to be the greatest ever. But all that doesn't mean anything. Jordan never made Bill Wennington matter. LMAO. Chris Mihm is twice the player Bill Wennington ever was, but that has nothing to do with Kobe or Jordan...You need to know basketball in order to speak basketball. Unfortunately, you're only speakin.
Playing together for one season makes a difference. Bringing them together with (Who you guys big up as the greatest player) Kobe, how could they not jell together. It's the leader's responsibility to bring everyone together. He didn't do that. And yea, I'm sure Rudy T leaving didn't help, but they weren't doing well up until then anyway, so it wouldn't have mattered. With or without Rudy T, they weren't gonna do good. Jordan couldn't lead the Wizards cuz he was OLD. He was washed up. Kobe is still in his 20's and his prime. HORRIBLE comparison, and you claim I don't know shit.
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^comparing jordan on the wizards and kobe last year isn't a bad example. age shouldn't matter for a leader...many consider shaq washed upbut his leadership skills helped that team. NIK made a good point, just cuz you got a great player/leader on your team doesn't mean you can dump a bunch of players in there with him and they should win every game, remember jordan didn't do anything til his early 30's late 20's , you have to have players that COMPLIMENT a great player in order to have a great team . that's why the lakers traded and dismantled everyone from their line up last year, cuz they didn't have shaq who they were building around and had to start all over and build around kobe.
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You also need an elite coach.
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^comparing jordan on the wizards and kobe last year isn't a bad example. age shouldn't matter for a leader...many consider shaq washed upbut his leadership skills helped that team. NIK made a good point, just cuz you got a great player/leader on your team doesn't mean you can dump a bunch of players in there with him and they should win every game, remember jordan didn't do anything til his early 30's late 20's , you have to have players that COMPLIMENT a great player in order to have a great team . that's why the lakers traded and dismantled everyone from their line up last year, cuz they didn't have shaq who they were building around and had to start all over and build around kobe.
Jordan hadn't played for a few years, he was rusty. How is that even comparable?
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LMAO...Everyone doesn't promise their team and the WHOLE city an NBA championship, unless they can act upon their promises. Usually, at most, a player will claim his team has a good shot, but never actually promise it like Shaq did. The Lakers were a fucking brand new team, stop making up shit. "They played together in the past". LOL, so Chris Mihm, Chucky Atkins, and Jumain Jones played together for one season before on a different team. Caron Butler, Brian Grant, and Lamar Odom also played together for 1 season before on a different team. Do you honestly believe that dumping them all together onto a roster with the best returning player on that team (other than Kobe) being Slava Medvadenko makes the team a familiar one? And what about Rudy-T and his quick departure, completely fucking up the plan Lakers had for the season, and sending them on a downhill tumble? And to blame the coach is ridiculous? Listen, no one is blaming the coach, but it's pretty obvious that a coach makes a significant difference, and playing without a head coach will harm your team greatly. That's common sense. Kobe can do so much, I mean, Jordan couldn't "lead" the Wizards to the playoffs in the EAST for 2 consecutive years, and he's supposed to be the greatest ever. But all that doesn't mean anything. Jordan never made Bill Wennington matter. LMAO. Chris Mihm is twice the player Bill Wennington ever was, but that has nothing to do with Kobe or Jordan...You need to know basketball in order to speak basketball. Unfortunately, you're only speakin.
Playing together for one season makes a difference. Bringing them together with (Who you guys big up as the greatest player) Kobe, how could they not jell together. It's the leader's responsibility to bring everyone together. He didn't do that. And yea, I'm sure Rudy T leaving didn't help, but they weren't doing well up until then anyway, so it wouldn't have mattered. With or without Rudy T, they weren't gonna do good. Jordan couldn't lead the Wizards cuz he was OLD. He was washed up. Kobe is still in his 20's and his prime. HORRIBLE comparison, and you claim I don't know shit.
Being able to lead your team has nothing to do with your age. In fact, a veteran Jordan should be even BETTER at leading his team. You are stupid. Up until Rudy-T left, the Lakers WERE doing good. They were a few games above .500, well into the playoffs. They were in the process of "jelling", as you would put it. Then he left and everything collapsed. Once again, you DON'T know shit.
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Being able to lead your team has nothing to do with your age. In fact, a veteran Jordan should be even BETTER at leading his team. You are stupid. Up until Rudy-T left, the Lakers WERE doing good. They were a few games above .500, well into the playoffs. They were in the process of "jelling", as you would put it. Then he left and everything collapsed. Once again, you DON'T know shit.
Jordan hadn't played for a few years, how is it even the same? If that was Jordan in 1995, then you have a case. Otherwise you're comparing two different things. And, I'm the stupid one? LOL. Kobe being this great player, the team should've been well above .500. Brian Grant and Lamar Odom are good players, so he had some good support. If they hadn't jelled by then, they were never gonna jell (who does that fall on? The leader.) Rudy T leaving did make an impact, but as a leader, Kobe should've kept everyone together. He didn't. They went to shit. Once again, you're just sending out insults since you can't prove anything.
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The question was........"Do we need a new section for Laker fans" ???
But anyways........Kobe is a great one on one player, but without Shaq, he aint winning no championships. Period. You can cry all you want about how his team sucks etc. but at the end of the day, hes not making the players around him better either.
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Being able to lead your team has nothing to do with your age. In fact, a veteran Jordan should be even BETTER at leading his team. You are stupid. Up until Rudy-T left, the Lakers WERE doing good. They were a few games above .500, well into the playoffs. They were in the process of "jelling", as you would put it. Then he left and everything collapsed. Once again, you DON'T know shit.
Jordan hadn't played for a few years, how is it even the same? If that was Jordan in 1995, then you have a case. Otherwise you're comparing two different things. And, I'm the stupid one? LOL. Kobe being this great player, the team should've been well above .500. Brian Grant and Lamar Odom are good players, so he had some good support. If they hadn't jelled by then, they were never gonna jell (who does that fall on? The leader.) Rudy T leaving did make an impact, but as a leader, Kobe should've kept everyone together. He didn't. They went to shit. Once again, you're just sending out insults since you can't prove anything.
How is it even the same? Leadership skills don't wear off. You don't lose the ability to lead like you lose the ability to run or jump with age. My point is, you can't put someone in a horrible sitaution and expect them to turn it into something good...Brian Grant did not earn his lunch money. He WAS a good player, last year he couldn't stay on the court for more than 15 minutes at a time. The team was still like 6th or 7th in the west when Rudy-T departed though, but everything was downhill from then. Kobe isn't a coach, I mean as much as he tried to be, and he basically was the head coach, it's impossible to do it on your own. Stop with the "prove it" bullshit, it's very stupid. You obviously have no clue what you're talking about.
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You can cry all you want about how his team sucks etc. but at the end of the day, hes not making the players around him better either.
Really? That explains why Caron Butler, Chris Mihm, Jumain Jones, Chucky Atkins, Tierre Brown, and others improved from the previous season while playing with Kobe. Kobe also averaged a career high in assists. But you can only do so much...
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But anyways........Kobe is a great one on one player, but without Shaq, he aint winning no championships. Period. You can cry all you want about how his team sucks etc. but at the end of the day, hes not making the players around him better either.
man,shut the fuck up...first of all,a lot of those guys had career #'s,but that doesn't matter b/c they suck,you can't make players do things they can't do,all you could do is give them the opportunity...it's not kobe's foult c.migm has butterfingers or c.atkins can't make a wide open 3 pointer,or butler doesn't know how to cut to the basket,or make odom play "D" the same with chucky atkins..thee's only so much you could do..
when you rebuild,you have to up-grade every year,and lil by lil you'll see the "TEAM" get better and the superstar look better
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yeah b/c you're "leecher faggot" contribute to this forum instead of just saying stupid stuff
and lol @ you faggots getting owned..now it's come to telling me i'm a lil boy and i need to get a girl and to stop riding kobes nuts :loser: :loser:
like i said ,,you guys are the real dick ryders...no one said shaq wasn't dominent and the best b-ball player @ that time.that has nothing to do with why we hate shaq,Laker fans don't even argue who was responsible for those championships,(We know it takes a team effort to win championships,unlike you morons)you guys are the ones who always bring that up when people are saying some real stuff about shaq..that's your #1 defense when it comes to protecting your boy toy shaq...fucking faggots..this is why EVERYONE IN L.A IS SAYING FUCK SHAQ..IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHOS REALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CHAMPIONSHIPS BLAH BLAH BLAH..GET IT THROUGH YOUR STUPID THICK HEADS,THIS IS WHY NO ONE IN L.A LIKES SHAQ...
funny that when anyone says Shaq was responsible for those championships...you will say it was a team effort. But your losing season last year wasnt a TEAM EFFORT...it was everyone ELSES fault BUT Kobe's. ::) Now thats retarded...
shut the fuck up,you already got owned..your responces..
1.get laid
2.you're a 10 year old kid
3.you're a kobe dick ryder
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i'm coming with facts about shaq and making strong arguments and that's your responces? you got owned,go kill yourself
And when did i say it wasn't kobes foult for last year? you just make shit up couse you got sooned!!
kobe's teamates sucked,rudy t's system sucked,therefore kobe did to much in a system he's not used to and struggle last season..that tends to happend when you go from playing in the triangle and playing with guys who you trust could make shots (fisher,horry,b.shaw,harper,fox,g.rice,k.rush) and of course shaq inside,to playing with the garbage he had last season
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Lakers Run LA (and to a much lesser degree NIB) - why is it if anyone backs shaq up in this particular argument they are a shaq dickrider or a kobe hater? I love Kobe, just I disagree on this point... you make yourself look real immature with all that bullshit...
Knicks for the title ;D
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You can cry all you want about how his team sucks etc. but at the end of the day, hes not making the players around him better either.
Really? That explains why Caron Butler, Chris Mihm, Jumain Jones, Chucky Atkins, Tierre Brown, and others improved from the previous season while playing with Kobe. Kobe also averaged a career high in assists. But you can only do so much...
Career numbers? LOL, Caron was wayy better when he was with the heat. And if Kobe was as great as you say he is, then why couldnt he carry that team to the playoffs? At least make the 8th spot then I might give him some credit. For example, Ray Allen isnt surrounded with much talent (Rashard Lewis) and he can still take his team to the playoffs and make the players around him better.
By the way Lamar Odom>>Rashard Lewis
Get what Im saying?
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Whoa whoa whoa the Sonics have an amazing team. Their GM is ahead of the game of basketball and has come up with different ways to evaluate players more efficiently ;D
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Whoa whoa whoa the Sonics have an amazing team. Their GM is ahead of the game of basketball and has come up with different ways to evaluate players more efficiently ;D
I dont feel that on paper, the Sonics 2004-05 roster was any better than the Lakers 2004-05 roster.
This year, Id say the Lakers have a much better roster on paper than the Sonics, but we'll have to wait and see how that plays out.
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And SGV..shut the fuck up with your "leader" comment..you don't what the fuck you're talking about..trust me, shaq is far from a leader,he's a cry baby,he holds grudges,,he's just a big woman,he always blames others for his team loosing..he complained about the offence in game 7,in the 4rth quarter,how he didn't get the ball enough..hmmm i wonder who was taking a shot @? oh yeah,D.Wack..
the reason the heat were better is b/c they had the better players duh.. give kobe a nother superstar and some guys who could make out side shots and lets see what happens...
And you guys are fucking morons when you say kobe doensn't pass the ball and he's selfish..what the fuck have you guys benn watching sinse the 99-2000 season?..you guys are a bunch of brain washed faggots who don't even watch Laker games..
like i said..last year was kobes worst season,,and thats b/c the Lakers just threw in a bunch of garbage out in the court and obviously none of them were able to make their "opened" shots when "kobe passed them the ball" out of the double or triple team...B.Grant sucked..C.migm always droped the ball when kobe got him the ball under the basket just like he used to do with shaq,but theirs a difference between shaq and migm..b.cook aint got no inside game,butler doesn't know how to cut to the basket ect ect ect
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The Sonics hired this scientist to help them pick undervalued players. So they have talented players that dont stand out in the leauge leaders board etc but for example. Their Forwards and Centers all have amazing Rebound Ratios, so the whole team was good when it came to rebounding but no player was a leauge leader in rebounds
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I hear what your saying but on paper, the Sonics roster is still in no way superior to the Lakers. Ray Allen is a great team player who makes the people around him elevate their game and play better.
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the sonics have way better players around Allen then the Lakers have around kobe...kobe>>allen..but besides that,sonics had way better players
R,lewis>>lamar
their PG is way better then what the Lakers had and he knows how to set people up..A.Daniels is beter then any roll player (solid defender)the Lakers have,and that 7 foot russian who was making all those 3 pointers is also beter any roll player then Laker have
just proves you don't know shit about b-ball
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just proves you don't know shit about b-ball
Why are you so defensive man? lol
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Well IMO the trio of Kobe, Odom and Butler is equal to Allen, Lewis and Rodmanovich (yes you said I didnt know shit about basketball but you forgot who the russian was)
I have my opinion, and you have yours....
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obviously it wasn't a better trio :laugh: :grumpy:
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And no, I am not a Shaq dickrider. I do not have picutres of him in my signature and avatar. I dont have his posters on my wall and I dont think he is god. I dont get defensive when someone says something negative about him. No.
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obviously it wasn't a better trio :laugh: :grumpy:
you missed the whole point you moron. If Kobe was a good as you say, than they would and should be a better trio
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yeah b/c you're "leecher faggot" contribute to this forum instead of just saying stupid stuff
and lol @ you faggots getting owned..now it's come to telling me i'm a lil boy and i need to get a girl and to stop riding kobes nuts :loser: :loser:
like i said ,,you guys are the real dick ryders...no one said shaq wasn't dominent and the best b-ball player @ that time.that has nothing to do with why we hate shaq,Laker fans don't even argue who was responsible for those championships,(We know it takes a team effort to win championships,unlike you morons)you guys are the ones who always bring that up when people are saying some real stuff about shaq..that's your #1 defense when it comes to protecting your boy toy shaq...fucking faggots..this is why EVERYONE IN L.A IS SAYING FUCK SHAQ..IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHOS REALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CHAMPIONSHIPS BLAH BLAH BLAH..GET IT THROUGH YOUR STUPID THICK HEADS,THIS IS WHY NO ONE IN L.A LIKES SHAQ...
funny that when anyone says Shaq was responsible for those championships...you will say it was a team effort. But your losing season last year wasnt a TEAM EFFORT...it was everyone ELSES fault BUT Kobe's. ::) Now thats retarded...
That's because there was no team last year...It was a bunch of players thrown together on the court who were told to "run and gun" by someone who wasn't even a coach. Organized basketball consists of a lot more, and believe it or not, it's not all in Kobe's hands...PeACe
as long as they lose right? I never said its ALL in his hands. It isnt ALL in his hands when they win. He is a part of why they win. But at the same time (and i dont know WHY this is so hard for you Kobe fans to get...) he is ALSO part of the team when they LOSE. Difficult to understand...i know. But its true...there isnt an asterisk next to all Laker losses saying...*This wasnt Kobe's fault.
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^comparing jordan on the wizards and kobe last year isn't a bad example. age shouldn't matter for a leader...many consider shaq washed upbut his leadership skills helped that team. NIK made a good point, just cuz you got a great player/leader on your team doesn't mean you can dump a bunch of players in there with him and they should win every game, remember jordan didn't do anything til his early 30's late 20's , you have to have players that COMPLIMENT a great player in order to have a great team . that's why the lakers traded and dismantled everyone from their line up last year, cuz they didn't have shaq who they were building around and had to start all over and build around kobe.
Jordan hadn't played for a few years, he was rusty. How is that even comparable?
correct me if i'm wrong but jordan had back to back seasons with the wizards....i know 55 year old guys that can own all american's being the GOAT , i'm sure...naw i now jordan wasn't rusty after the first 25 games, like whoever said it before me skill deminishes with age, but leadership only improves
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obviously it wasn't a better trio :laugh: :grumpy:
you missed the whole point you moron. If Kobe was a good as you say, than they would and should be a better trio
b/c is a trio,,not 1 player..you're a fucking moron..always saying some dumb shit
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yeah b/c you're "leecher faggot" contribute to this forum instead of just saying stupid stuff
and lol @ you faggots getting owned..now it's come to telling me i'm a lil boy and i need to get a girl and to stop riding kobes nuts :loser: :loser:
like i said ,,you guys are the real dick ryders...no one said shaq wasn't dominent and the best b-ball player @ that time.that has nothing to do with why we hate shaq,Laker fans don't even argue who was responsible for those championships,(We know it takes a team effort to win championships,unlike you morons)you guys are the ones who always bring that up when people are saying some real stuff about shaq..that's your #1 defense when it comes to protecting your boy toy shaq...fucking faggots..this is why EVERYONE IN L.A IS SAYING FUCK SHAQ..IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHOS REALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CHAMPIONSHIPS BLAH BLAH BLAH..GET IT THROUGH YOUR STUPID THICK HEADS,THIS IS WHY NO ONE IN L.A LIKES SHAQ...
funny that when anyone says Shaq was responsible for those championships...you will say it was a team effort. But your losing season last year wasnt a TEAM EFFORT...it was everyone ELSES fault BUT Kobe's. ::) Now thats retarded...
That's because there was no team last year...It was a bunch of players thrown together on the court who were told to "run and gun" by someone who wasn't even a coach. Organized basketball consists of a lot more, and believe it or not, it's not all in Kobe's hands...PeACe
as long as they lose right? I never said its ALL in his hands. It isnt ALL in his hands when they win. He is a part of why they win. But at the same time (and i dont know WHY this is so hard for you Kobe fans to get...) he is ALSO part of the team when they LOSE. Difficult to understand...i know. But its true...there isnt an asterisk next to all Laker losses saying...*This wasnt Kobe's fault.
Just shut the fuck up...you're just saying a bunch of gibberish now...don't expect people to your opinions serious..you're a spurs fan..kobe had his best playoff games against the spurs..you're the one who needs to get off his nuts..you bitch ass made nigga :pirate:
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yeah b/c you're "leecher faggot" contribute to this forum instead of just saying stupid stuff
and lol @ you faggots getting owned..now it's come to telling me i'm a lil boy and i need to get a girl and to stop riding kobes nuts :loser: :loser:
like i said ,,you guys are the real dick ryders...no one said shaq wasn't dominent and the best b-ball player @ that time.that has nothing to do with why we hate shaq,Laker fans don't even argue who was responsible for those championships,(We know it takes a team effort to win championships,unlike you morons)you guys are the ones who always bring that up when people are saying some real stuff about shaq..that's your #1 defense when it comes to protecting your boy toy shaq...fucking faggots..this is why EVERYONE IN L.A IS SAYING FUCK SHAQ..IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHOS REALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CHAMPIONSHIPS BLAH BLAH BLAH..GET IT THROUGH YOUR STUPID THICK HEADS,THIS IS WHY NO ONE IN L.A LIKES SHAQ...
funny that when anyone says Shaq was responsible for those championships...you will say it was a team effort. But your losing season last year wasnt a TEAM EFFORT...it was everyone ELSES fault BUT Kobe's. ::) Now thats retarded...
That's because there was no team last year...It was a bunch of players thrown together on the court who were told to "run and gun" by someone who wasn't even a coach. Organized basketball consists of a lot more, and believe it or not, it's not all in Kobe's hands...PeACe
as long as they lose right? I never said its ALL in his hands. It isnt ALL in his hands when they win. He is a part of why they win. But at the same time (and i dont know WHY this is so hard for you Kobe fans to get...) he is ALSO part of the team when they LOSE. Difficult to understand...i know. But its true...there isnt an asterisk next to all Laker losses saying...*This wasnt Kobe's fault.
Just shut the fuck up...you're just saying a bunch of gibberish now...don't expect people to your opinions serious..you're a spurs fan..kobe had his best playoff games against the spurs..you're the one who needs to get off his nuts..you bitch ass made nigga :pirate:
Thats all you have? "youre a Spurs fan"? lol. Thats it? What does bein a Spurs fan prove? That i dont just go along with the crowd like you? That im not just some bandwagon fan like you? Youre a little kid that doesnt know shit yet...and you keep provin it. Btw...are you white?
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yeah b/c you're "leecher faggot" contribute to this forum instead of just saying stupid stuff
and lol @ you faggots getting owned..now it's come to telling me i'm a lil boy and i need to get a girl and to stop riding kobes nuts :loser: :loser:
like i said ,,you guys are the real dick ryders...no one said shaq wasn't dominent and the best b-ball player @ that time.that has nothing to do with why we hate shaq,Laker fans don't even argue who was responsible for those championships,(We know it takes a team effort to win championships,unlike you morons)you guys are the ones who always bring that up when people are saying some real stuff about shaq..that's your #1 defense when it comes to protecting your boy toy shaq...fucking faggots..this is why EVERYONE IN L.A IS SAYING FUCK SHAQ..IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHOS REALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CHAMPIONSHIPS BLAH BLAH BLAH..GET IT THROUGH YOUR STUPID THICK HEADS,THIS IS WHY NO ONE IN L.A LIKES SHAQ...
funny that when anyone says Shaq was responsible for those championships...you will say it was a team effort. But your losing season last year wasnt a TEAM EFFORT...it was everyone ELSES fault BUT Kobe's. ::) Now thats retarded...
That's because there was no team last year...It was a bunch of players thrown together on the court who were told to "run and gun" by someone who wasn't even a coach. Organized basketball consists of a lot more, and believe it or not, it's not all in Kobe's hands...PeACe
as long as they lose right? I never said its ALL in his hands. It isnt ALL in his hands when they win. He is a part of why they win. But at the same time (and i dont know WHY this is so hard for you Kobe fans to get...) he is ALSO part of the team when they LOSE. Difficult to understand...i know. But its true...there isnt an asterisk next to all Laker losses saying...*This wasnt Kobe's fault.
Just shut the fuck up...you're just saying a bunch of gibberish now...don't expect people to your opinions serious..you're a spurs fan..kobe had his best playoff games against the spurs..you're the one who needs to get off his nuts..you bitch ass made nigga :pirate:
Thats all you have? "youre a Spurs fan"? lol. Thats it? What does bein a Spurs fan prove? That i dont just go along with the crowd like you? That im not just some bandwagon fan like you? Youre a little kid that doesnt know shit yet...and you keep provin it. Btw...are you white?
how am i bandwaggon fan? you're from cali and your a spurs fan,you're the bandwaggon fan. ,,,,you're a spurs fan of course you'll going to hate the Lakers and kobe,kobe had his best playoff games against the spurs,the Spurs just came off geting they fucking ass beat by the Lakers...you're happy the Lakers had a bad season,you're happy kobe is down right now,no one takes you serious,you're a joke..so just shut the fuck up
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at the Jordan/leadership thing.. it's hard to be a great leader when all those other players know you suck. or you expect laron profit to be the leader, if, let's just say, he had a great personality and was really smart? I don't think so.. a leader has to be the best player on the team, and jordan just plain sucked when he came back into the league, playing for the wizards. it's so sad, he ruined his legacy so bad. jerry stackhouse must have been really annoyed by his ass.
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You can cry all you want about how his team sucks etc. but at the end of the day, hes not making the players around him better either.
Really? That explains why Caron Butler, Chris Mihm, Jumain Jones, Chucky Atkins, Tierre Brown, and others improved from the previous season while playing with Kobe. Kobe also averaged a career high in assists. But you can only do so much...
Career numbers? LOL, Caron was wayy better when he was with the heat. And if Kobe was as great as you say he is, then why couldnt he carry that team to the playoffs? At least make the 8th spot then I might give him some credit. For example, Ray Allen isnt surrounded with much talent (Rashard Lewis) and he can still take his team to the playoffs and make the players around him better.
By the way Lamar Odom>>Rashard Lewis
Get what Im saying?
See, you're stupid, so you're completely missing the point. Of course Ray Allen took his team to the playoffs, he was playing in a well-organized system where the players were actually COACHED and the team didn't go through all sorts of setbacks throughout the season...LOL...Please make valid points if you're gunna argue...And LMAO@Caron Butler being wayyyy better with the Heat. His last 20 games with the Lakers where he averaged well over 20 points was the highlight of his career.
Caron Butler 03-04 stats: 9.2 ppg, 4.8 reb, 38% fg, 23% 3p, 75% ft.
Caron Butler 04-05 stats: 15.5 ppg, 5.8 reb, 45% fg, 30% 3p, 86% ft.
You dumbass...
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yeah b/c you're "leecher faggot" contribute to this forum instead of just saying stupid stuff
and lol @ you faggots getting owned..now it's come to telling me i'm a lil boy and i need to get a girl and to stop riding kobes nuts :loser: :loser:
like i said ,,you guys are the real dick ryders...no one said shaq wasn't dominent and the best b-ball player @ that time.that has nothing to do with why we hate shaq,Laker fans don't even argue who was responsible for those championships,(We know it takes a team effort to win championships,unlike you morons)you guys are the ones who always bring that up when people are saying some real stuff about shaq..that's your #1 defense when it comes to protecting your boy toy shaq...fucking faggots..this is why EVERYONE IN L.A IS SAYING FUCK SHAQ..IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHOS REALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CHAMPIONSHIPS BLAH BLAH BLAH..GET IT THROUGH YOUR STUPID THICK HEADS,THIS IS WHY NO ONE IN L.A LIKES SHAQ...
funny that when anyone says Shaq was responsible for those championships...you will say it was a team effort. But your losing season last year wasnt a TEAM EFFORT...it was everyone ELSES fault BUT Kobe's. ::) Now thats retarded...
That's because there was no team last year...It was a bunch of players thrown together on the court who were told to "run and gun" by someone who wasn't even a coach. Organized basketball consists of a lot more, and believe it or not, it's not all in Kobe's hands...PeACe
as long as they lose right? I never said its ALL in his hands. It isnt ALL in his hands when they win. He is a part of why they win. But at the same time (and i dont know WHY this is so hard for you Kobe fans to get...) he is ALSO part of the team when they LOSE. Difficult to understand...i know. But its true...there isnt an asterisk next to all Laker losses saying...*This wasnt Kobe's fault.
He is part of the TEAM when they lose, but he doesn't contribute to the problem. He was the one to bail them out when they got into problems...That's why I don't blame Kobe.
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You can cry all you want about how his team sucks etc. but at the end of the day, hes not making the players around him better either.
Really? That explains why Caron Butler, Chris Mihm, Jumain Jones, Chucky Atkins, Tierre Brown, and others improved from the previous season while playing with Kobe. Kobe also averaged a career high in assists. But you can only do so much...
Career numbers? LOL, Caron was wayy better when he was with the heat. And if Kobe was as great as you say he is, then why couldnt he carry that team to the playoffs? At least make the 8th spot then I might give him some credit. For example, Ray Allen isnt surrounded with much talent (Rashard Lewis) and he can still take his team to the playoffs and make the players around him better.
By the way Lamar Odom>>Rashard Lewis
Get what Im saying?
See, you're stupid, so you're completely missing the point. Of course Ray Allen took his team to the playoffs, he was playing in a well-organized system where the players were actually COACHED and the team didn't go through all sorts of setbacks throughout the season...LOL...Please make valid points if you're gunna argue...And LMAO@Caron Butler being wayyyy better with the Heat. His last 20 games with the Lakers where he averaged well over 20 points was the highlight of his career.
Caron Butler 03-04 stats: 9.2 ppg, 4.8 reb, 38% fg, 23% 3p, 75% ft.
Caron Butler 04-05 stats: 15.5 ppg, 5.8 reb, 45% fg, 30% 3p, 86% ft.
You dumbass...
well you forgot to add
YEAR TEAM G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
02-03 MIA 78 78 36.6 .416 .318 .824 1.7 3.4 5.1 2.7 1.76 .40 2.46 2.90 15.4
Not much difference
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It doesn't matter...You said he played better with Miami, which, obviously, he didn't...LOL
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Well you can be right. It doesnt matter. I just remember hearing alot about Caron Butler when he came in the league with Miami and he had a great rookie season. I never hear much about him in LA. But I didnt realize his numbers with the lakers last season were that good.
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yeah b/c you're "leecher faggot" contribute to this forum instead of just saying stupid stuff
and lol @ you faggots getting owned..now it's come to telling me i'm a lil boy and i need to get a girl and to stop riding kobes nuts :loser: :loser:
like i said ,,you guys are the real dick ryders...no one said shaq wasn't dominent and the best b-ball player @ that time.that has nothing to do with why we hate shaq,Laker fans don't even argue who was responsible for those championships,(We know it takes a team effort to win championships,unlike you morons)you guys are the ones who always bring that up when people are saying some real stuff about shaq..that's your #1 defense when it comes to protecting your boy toy shaq...fucking faggots..this is why EVERYONE IN L.A IS SAYING FUCK SHAQ..IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHOS REALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CHAMPIONSHIPS BLAH BLAH BLAH..GET IT THROUGH YOUR STUPID THICK HEADS,THIS IS WHY NO ONE IN L.A LIKES SHAQ...
funny that when anyone says Shaq was responsible for those championships...you will say it was a team effort. But your losing season last year wasnt a TEAM EFFORT...it was everyone ELSES fault BUT Kobe's. ::) Now thats retarded...
That's because there was no team last year...It was a bunch of players thrown together on the court who were told to "run and gun" by someone who wasn't even a coach. Organized basketball consists of a lot more, and believe it or not, it's not all in Kobe's hands...PeACe
as long as they lose right? I never said its ALL in his hands. It isnt ALL in his hands when they win. He is a part of why they win. But at the same time (and i dont know WHY this is so hard for you Kobe fans to get...) he is ALSO part of the team when they LOSE. Difficult to understand...i know. But its true...there isnt an asterisk next to all Laker losses saying...*This wasnt Kobe's fault.
Just shut the fuck up...you're just saying a bunch of gibberish now...don't expect people to your opinions serious..you're a spurs fan..kobe had his best playoff games against the spurs..you're the one who needs to get off his nuts..you bitch ass made nigga :pirate:
Thats all you have? "youre a Spurs fan"? lol. Thats it? What does bein a Spurs fan prove? That i dont just go along with the crowd like you? That im not just some bandwagon fan like you? Youre a little kid that doesnt know shit yet...and you keep provin it. Btw...are you white?
how am i bandwaggon fan? you're from cali and your a spurs fan,you're the bandwaggon fan. ,,,,you're a spurs fan of course you'll going to hate the Lakers and kobe,kobe had his best playoff games against the spurs,the Spurs just came off geting they fucking ass beat by the Lakers...you're happy the Lakers had a bad season,you're happy kobe is down right now,no one takes you serious,you're a joke..so just shut the fuck up
ive been a Spurs fan for around 13-14 years. At least 4 years before you were born. How would that make me bandwagon? lol You live somewhere in an LA Suburb and are just goin with the crowd. You keep sayin the same things over and over as if they have ANY impact on the argument. "Kobe had some of his best games against the Spurs". And? Since when has that had anything to do with any arguments here on this board? If youre having a problem proving your points....whether its your childishness, or just stupidity, just be quiet. Saying the same thing over and over when it has nothing to do with an argument is only embarrassing yourself. I was the one to say (and ask NIK) that i wish the Lakers were one of the elite teams in the West again cus i liked the rivalry. How does that mean i hate them? lol. Get your facts strait little boy. I dont even mind the Lakers...its that a lot of their fans act like little bitches (see yourself). Yah feel me...."nigga"? ::)
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yeah b/c you're "leecher faggot" contribute to this forum instead of just saying stupid stuff
and lol @ you faggots getting owned..now it's come to telling me i'm a lil boy and i need to get a girl and to stop riding kobes nuts :loser: :loser:
like i said ,,you guys are the real dick ryders...no one said shaq wasn't dominent and the best b-ball player @ that time.that has nothing to do with why we hate shaq,Laker fans don't even argue who was responsible for those championships,(We know it takes a team effort to win championships,unlike you morons)you guys are the ones who always bring that up when people are saying some real stuff about shaq..that's your #1 defense when it comes to protecting your boy toy shaq...fucking faggots..this is why EVERYONE IN L.A IS SAYING FUCK SHAQ..IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHOS REALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CHAMPIONSHIPS BLAH BLAH BLAH..GET IT THROUGH YOUR STUPID THICK HEADS,THIS IS WHY NO ONE IN L.A LIKES SHAQ...
funny that when anyone says Shaq was responsible for those championships...you will say it was a team effort. But your losing season last year wasnt a TEAM EFFORT...it was everyone ELSES fault BUT Kobe's. ::) Now thats retarded...
That's because there was no team last year...It was a bunch of players thrown together on the court who were told to "run and gun" by someone who wasn't even a coach. Organized basketball consists of a lot more, and believe it or not, it's not all in Kobe's hands...PeACe
as long as they lose right? I never said its ALL in his hands. It isnt ALL in his hands when they win. He is a part of why they win. But at the same time (and i dont know WHY this is so hard for you Kobe fans to get...) he is ALSO part of the team when they LOSE. Difficult to understand...i know. But its true...there isnt an asterisk next to all Laker losses saying...*This wasnt Kobe's fault.
Just shut the fuck up...you're just saying a bunch of gibberish now...don't expect people to your opinions serious..you're a spurs fan..kobe had his best playoff games against the spurs..you're the one who needs to get off his nuts..you bitch ass made nigga :pirate:
Thats all you have? "youre a Spurs fan"? lol. Thats it? What does bein a Spurs fan prove? That i dont just go along with the crowd like you? That im not just some bandwagon fan like you? Youre a little kid that doesnt know shit yet...and you keep provin it. Btw...are you white?
how am i bandwaggon fan? you're from cali and your a spurs fan,you're the bandwaggon fan. ,,,,you're a spurs fan of course you'll going to hate the Lakers and kobe,kobe had his best playoff games against the spurs,the Spurs just came off geting they fucking ass beat by the Lakers...you're happy the Lakers had a bad season,you're happy kobe is down right now,no one takes you serious,you're a joke..so just shut the fuck up
ive been a Spurs fan for around 13-14 years. At least 4 years before you were born. How would that make me bandwagon? lol You live somewhere in an LA Suburb and are just goin with the crowd. You keep sayin the same things over and over as if they have ANY impact on the argument. "Kobe had some of his best games against the Spurs". And? Since when has that had anything to do with any arguments here on this board? If youre having a problem proving your points....whether its your childishness, or just stupidity, just be quiet. Saying the same thing over and over when it has nothing to do with an argument is only embarrassing yourself. I was the one to say (and ask NIK) that i wish the Lakers were one of the elite teams in the West again cus i liked the rivalry. How does that mean i hate them? lol. Get your facts strait little boy. I dont even mind the Lakers...its that a lot of their fans act like little bitches (see yourself). Yah feel me...."nigga"? ::)
Tell yourself what ever you want,you're the real bitch...you already got owned..you aint got shit to say just a bunch of gibberish
And when a player shits on your team,you tend to hate on him like your bitch ass..
And you are a band waggon fan..you were probably starting to get in to b-ball after "showtime" so you jumped on a good team insteed of a crappy team like the Lakers or clippers at that time,,...theirs no way a guy from cali should be a fan of a team out side of cali..
And i'm from Inglewood and went to many Laker games @ the great western forum before shaq got their..i used to enjoy watching A.peeler,Sedle threet,C.Ceballos,Doug Christie,Vlade Divac before shaq and kobe got to L.A,, ,so don't come @ me with that bullshit talking about "you're from the Burbs,and you're going along with the crowd,and a bandwaggon fan & a lil boy".....get the fuck outta here with ..you Stupid ass "nigga" :-*
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And i'm from Inglewood and went to many Laker games @ the great western forum before shaq got their..i used to enjoy watching A.peeler,Sedle threet,C.Ceballos,Doug Christie,Vlade Divac before shaq and kobe got to L.A,, ,so don't come @ me with that bullshit talking about "you're from the Burbs,and you're going along with the crowd,and a bandwaggon fan & a lil boy".....get the fuck outta here with ..you Stupid ass "nigga" :-*
LMAO @ you watching Anthony Peeler and Doug Christie at the forum. That shit was like 10-12 years ago. How could you remember something from when you were a 1 year old ???
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And i'm from Inglewood and went to many Laker games @ the great western forum before shaq got their..i used to enjoy watching A.peeler,Sedle threet,C.Ceballos,Doug Christie,Vlade Divac before shaq and kobe got to L.A,, ,so don't come @ me with that bullshit talking about "you're from the Burbs,and you're going along with the crowd,and a bandwaggon fan & a lil boy".....get the fuck outta here with ..you Stupid ass "nigga" :-*
LMAO @ you watching Anthony Peeler and Doug Christie at the forum. That shit was like 10-12 years ago. How could you remember something from when you were a 1 year old ???
hey piece of shit..you don't even know how old i am,so shut the fuck up...even when i shut you up you still end up saying something stupid..you got owned,i'm not 14 like your faggot cousins,and i'm not a bandwaggon fan and going along with a crowd
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voted yeah cus i think that the lakers fans should have a special forum where they can talk bout the fav team like we did a game section a few months ago it keeps the board organised and tidy and it makes it easier for lakers fans to go and check out their news
i know it would riun the 3-3-3 format tho so why dont we make it into a sub section like we do wit the vault section?
jus an idea i thought that could resolve this....
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^^Good Idea^^
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thanx!
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How is it even the same? Leadership skills don't wear off. You don't lose the ability to lead like you lose the ability to run or jump with age. My point is, you can't put someone in a horrible sitaution and expect them to turn it into something good...Brian Grant did not earn his lunch money. He WAS a good player, last year he couldn't stay on the court for more than 15 minutes at a time. The team was still like 6th or 7th in the west when Rudy-T departed though, but everything was downhill from then. Kobe isn't a coach, I mean as much as he tried to be, and he basically was the head coach, it's impossible to do it on your own. Stop with the "prove it" bullshit, it's very stupid. You obviously have no clue what you're talking about.
If your leader isn't your strongest player, then he's not much of a leader at the end of the day. Jordan was NOT at the top of his game anymore, he wasn't 90's Jordan. He was rusty washed up Jordan coming back just to see how well he'd do. Kobe, on the other hand, hasn't took any breaks. He's at the height of his career, he should be an amazing leader. Tomjanovich, Jackson, Rambis, whoever... They're not on the court during those 48 minutes of regulation, Kobe is for the most part. He's the one who runs the team on the court. So, when HIS team is doing bad, it relfects on his leadership skills.
And, see, you still saying anything, all you can TRY to do is say I don't know shit. If I didn't know shit, you would'nt try to prove your point to me.
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How is it even the same? Leadership skills don't wear off. You don't lose the ability to lead like you lose the ability to run or jump with age. My point is, you can't put someone in a horrible sitaution and expect them to turn it into something good...Brian Grant did not earn his lunch money. He WAS a good player, last year he couldn't stay on the court for more than 15 minutes at a time. The team was still like 6th or 7th in the west when Rudy-T departed though, but everything was downhill from then. Kobe isn't a coach, I mean as much as he tried to be, and he basically was the head coach, it's impossible to do it on your own. Stop with the "prove it" bullshit, it's very stupid. You obviously have no clue what you're talking about.
If your leader isn't your strongest player, then he's not much of a leader at the end of the day. Jordan was NOT at the top of his game anymore, he wasn't 90's Jordan. He was rusty washed up Jordan coming back just to see how well he'd do. Kobe, on the other hand, hasn't took any breaks. He's at the height of his career, he should be an amazing leader. Tomjanovich, Jackson, Rambis, whoever... They're not on the court during those 48 minutes of regulation, Kobe is for the most part. He's the one who runs the team on the court. So, when HIS team is doing bad, it relfects on his leadership skills.
And, see, you still saying anything, all you can TRY to do is say I don't know shit. If I didn't know shit, you would'nt try to prove your point to me.
You're implying that if you're on a basketball team and that team is not good, then you must not be a good leader, which is a load of bullshiznite...Lakers catashtrophic season had nothing to do with Kobe's leadership skills. Find something you actually know about to argue...PeACe
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shut the fuck up SGV..you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.."leadership" you either have a good team or you don't
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yeah b/c you're "leecher faggot" contribute to this forum instead of just saying stupid stuff
and lol @ you faggots getting owned..now it's come to telling me i'm a lil boy and i need to get a girl and to stop riding kobes nuts :loser: :loser:
like i said ,,you guys are the real dick ryders...no one said shaq wasn't dominent and the best b-ball player @ that time.that has nothing to do with why we hate shaq,Laker fans don't even argue who was responsible for those championships,(We know it takes a team effort to win championships,unlike you morons)you guys are the ones who always bring that up when people are saying some real stuff about shaq..that's your #1 defense when it comes to protecting your boy toy shaq...fucking faggots..this is why EVERYONE IN L.A IS SAYING FUCK SHAQ..IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHOS REALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CHAMPIONSHIPS BLAH BLAH BLAH..GET IT THROUGH YOUR STUPID THICK HEADS,THIS IS WHY NO ONE IN L.A LIKES SHAQ...
funny that when anyone says Shaq was responsible for those championships...you will say it was a team effort. But your losing season last year wasnt a TEAM EFFORT...it was everyone ELSES fault BUT Kobe's. ::) Now thats retarded...
That's because there was no team last year...It was a bunch of players thrown together on the court who were told to "run and gun" by someone who wasn't even a coach. Organized basketball consists of a lot more, and believe it or not, it's not all in Kobe's hands...PeACe
as long as they lose right? I never said its ALL in his hands. It isnt ALL in his hands when they win. He is a part of why they win. But at the same time (and i dont know WHY this is so hard for you Kobe fans to get...) he is ALSO part of the team when they LOSE. Difficult to understand...i know. But its true...there isnt an asterisk next to all Laker losses saying...*This wasnt Kobe's fault.
Just shut the fuck up...you're just saying a bunch of gibberish now...don't expect people to your opinions serious..you're a spurs fan..kobe had his best playoff games against the spurs..you're the one who needs to get off his nuts..you bitch ass made nigga :pirate:
Thats all you have? "youre a Spurs fan"? lol. Thats it? What does bein a Spurs fan prove? That i dont just go along with the crowd like you? That im not just some bandwagon fan like you? Youre a little kid that doesnt know shit yet...and you keep provin it. Btw...are you white?
how am i bandwaggon fan? you're from cali and your a spurs fan,you're the bandwaggon fan. ,,,,you're a spurs fan of course you'll going to hate the Lakers and kobe,kobe had his best playoff games against the spurs,the Spurs just came off geting they fucking ass beat by the Lakers...you're happy the Lakers had a bad season,you're happy kobe is down right now,no one takes you serious,you're a joke..so just shut the fuck up
ive been a Spurs fan for around 13-14 years. At least 4 years before you were born. How would that make me bandwagon? lol You live somewhere in an LA Suburb and are just goin with the crowd. You keep sayin the same things over and over as if they have ANY impact on the argument. "Kobe had some of his best games against the Spurs". And? Since when has that had anything to do with any arguments here on this board? If youre having a problem proving your points....whether its your childishness, or just stupidity, just be quiet. Saying the same thing over and over when it has nothing to do with an argument is only embarrassing yourself. I was the one to say (and ask NIK) that i wish the Lakers were one of the elite teams in the West again cus i liked the rivalry. How does that mean i hate them? lol. Get your facts strait little boy. I dont even mind the Lakers...its that a lot of their fans act like little bitches (see yourself). Yah feel me...."nigga"? ::)
Tell yourself what ever you want,you're the real bitch...you already got owned..you aint got shit to say just a bunch of gibberish
And when a player shits on your team,you tend to hate on him like your bitch ass..
And you are a band waggon fan..you were probably starting to get in to b-ball after "showtime" so you jumped on a good team insteed of a crappy team like the Lakers or clippers at that time,,...theirs no way a guy from cali should be a fan of a team out side of cali..
And i'm from Inglewood and went to many Laker games @ the great western forum before shaq got their..i used to enjoy watching A.peeler,Sedle threet,C.Ceballos,Doug Christie,Vlade Divac before shaq and kobe got to L.A,, ,so don't come @ me with that bullshit talking about "you're from the Burbs,and you're going along with the crowd,and a bandwaggon fan & a lil boy".....get the fuck outta here with ..you Stupid ass "nigga" :-*
lol i got into the Spurs the year Robinson hit the NBA. They werent a good team...thats how they were able to get him. Do your history. Kobe having some good games against us, doesnt mean shit to me. Shaq had some good games against us, and i dont "hate" him. Duncan has worked your team over a ton of times...do you hate him? Are you a "Tim Duncan Hater!"? lol. Grow up fag. You take your own personality and assume that everyone else is just as childish as you. Why would i "hate" somebody because they have a good game against us? Like i said...when you assume that shit about someone else, youre obviously admitting that you have that fault yourself. Learn somethin lil boy...so you can understand why people see through you so easily.
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And i'm from Inglewood and went to many Laker games @ the great western forum before shaq got their..i used to enjoy watching A.peeler,Sedle threet,C.Ceballos,Doug Christie,Vlade Divac before shaq and kobe got to L.A,, ,so don't come @ me with that bullshit talking about "you're from the Burbs,and you're going along with the crowd,and a bandwaggon fan & a lil boy".....get the fuck outta here with ..you Stupid ass "nigga" :-*
LMAO @ you watching Anthony Peeler and Doug Christie at the forum. That shit was like 10-12 years ago. How could you remember something from when you were a 1 year old ???
hey piece of shit..you don't even know how old i am,so shut the fuck up...even when i shut you up you still end up saying something stupid..you got owned,i'm not 14 like your faggot cousins,and i'm not a bandwaggon fan and going along with a crowd
youll only make yourself worse by saying that you ARENT really 14. i know 5 year olds more mature then you...at least at 14, youll only be 9 years behind.
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Douche bag says what ??? ;D shut the fuck up..you're a joke..no one takes you serious..you're just saying a bunch of gibberish now..you're like a bitch..you don't know when to shut up :sshh:
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And i'm from Inglewood and went to many Laker games @ the great western forum before shaq got their..i used to enjoy watching A.peeler,Sedle threet,C.Ceballos,Doug Christie,Vlade Divac before shaq and kobe got to L.A,, ,so don't come @ me with that bullshit talking about "you're from the Burbs,and you're going along with the crowd,and a bandwaggon fan & a lil boy".....get the fuck outta here with ..you Stupid ass "nigga" :-*
LMAO @ you watching Anthony Peeler and Doug Christie at the forum. That shit was like 10-12 years ago. How could you remember something from when you were a 1 year old ???
hey piece of shit..you don't even know how old i am,so shut the fuck up...even when i shut you up you still end up saying something stupid..you got owned,i'm not 14 like your faggot cousins,and i'm not a bandwaggon fan and going along with a crowd
youll only make yourself worse by saying that you ARENT really 14. i know 5 year olds more mature then you...at least at 14, youll only be 9 years behind.
shut your monkey ass up..you already got owned..you aint got shit to say no more..it's now come to assuming shit ang saying a bunch of gibberish stuff..you lost..now go kill yourself