West Coast Connection Forum
DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: mellowmanisback on May 28, 2006, 04:38:14 PM
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What's going on everyone. Just wanted to drop by real quick and throw out a few thoughts. This isn't going to be a long stay for me. Things are going good for me. I hope all is well with all of you. I'm working on a lot of music and enjoying the fruits of my work over the years. Peace of mind wise I am feeling great. While I am proud of every track I have ever worked with Dre and am forever humbled and blessed with his friendship and musical kindship, as well as honored to continue to do music with him, I love doing some other music that's different than what I've been doing with Dre. As usual this board and a lot of the names have changed. I spent a few minutes reading some posts and must say I don't recognize many names. A lot of you are really passionate about hip hop especially west coast, and although I disagree with a lot of things you guys say I definitely love to hear your thoughts and other viewpoints. I know the main question most of you have is when is Detox coming out. Well I wish I could tell you. The only person who knows that is the man himself. I've been in and out so i'm not sure what his thinking is at this point, but Dre is not going to put it out until he's ready. I know he is wanting Detox to be his final testament, his defining moment and the pinnacle of his career. Not to mention the incredible amount of pressure and scrutiny he's under by everyone to make the greatest record ever made. He knows that's what everyone expects, and although that is an impossible standard to live up to he's going to do his best. That's why Detox will only come out when Dre has put every ounce of energy and his heart and soul into the record and thinks the final product is the best he can do. No matter what he does I'm sure he'll get criticized from people left and right. Dre's legendary musical catalogue is both his gift and his curse. My opinion on Detox is that it will be well worth the wait. The last time I was in the studio with him he played some great stuff. Some of the stuff he and we have done over the last few years is so far ahead of everyone else and current time its nuts, but the big dilema is how experimental and crazy will be too much. A lot of fans may hate it because its not classic Dre. I love Legend of the Fall. But a lot of people won't like it because its so different and experimental. It's not a regular track, it is much closer to a movie on wax. Will people want to hear orchestra's and unique live instruments on Detox? If so please comment that you want that because if Dre decides to do what he is thinking of doing it will be apocolyptic and crazy and be unlike any hip hop you've ever heard. But it won't be classic Dre. Please comment on this and I will pass on your opinions. But be patient because Dre will give you everything he has even it if it don't come out until 2007, which it probably won't. I can't wait for everyone to hear Detox, whichever sound Dre decides to go with and whenever he puts it out. I'm schedule to go back in with Dre soon and looking forward to hearing some new music and working with Dre to create more crazy sonic soundscapes for Detox.
One of the things that bothers me most on this board is the constant criticism of Dre that he abandoned the west coast. Grow up people. Without Dre there would be no westcoast hip hop as you know it, there would be no dubcc. Dre recently brought in and blew up Game and he's is now working hard with Bishop. Dre don't care where you are from. If you got skills and are willing to put in a lot of blood, sweat and tears and sacrifice a lot of things Dre will work with you. A lot of artists are not willing to put that forward, including almost all of the artists Dre has dropped over the years. So shut the fuck up about Dre not caring about west coast hip hop. He's given his life to putting west coast hip-hop on the map. It's time for others to step up. Dre keeps doing music because he loves it not because he needs it. One of these days Dre isn't going to be around. When is someone else gonna stand up and take some responsibility? Don't depend on Dre to keep things going. No more excuses. Be thankful for all Dre his given you over the years and be thankful he's still putting out music. Now don't take that as a request not to be critical about Dre sometimes, just be respectful and fair.
On a personal level I am not doing as much hip-hop anymore because quite frankly I think most of it is horrible. Big label politics, including ----------'s is pissing me off. Take Busta's new album for example. Dre had to put a few dumb pop songs on the album and throw off much more quality tracks to appease higher ups. the second single Interscope picked is horrible. In a perfect world Dre would take Aftermath independent, and put out the albums the way he wants them and when he wants them and not have to wait for lesser artists and albums to come out. But that's not gonna happen because there is too much uncertainty and right or wrong Dre doesn't want to have to start over this late in life. Personally and peace of mind wise he and his family is in a great situation with Interscope and I don't really blame him for staying. Fortunately, at this point Dre still has total control on Detox. It will come out in the form he wants it and he has been promised it will be a first priority release when its ready.
In a personal plea I urge everyone to support rap artists and albums that have something of substance to say. There are not that many of those any more and you have to fight through a lot of bullshit music to find it . Rap is being replaced by hip-hop and it is dying. Instead of talking about killing people, bling, gold teeth, pussy or material bullshit talk about something positive, something that can make a difference and force big labels to quit putting watered down rap out. Instead of supporting your favorite gangsta rapper go buy Mos Def, the Roots, Talib Kweli, Lupe Fiasco, Common and others that put out rap that really means something. Even Dre is really trying to put out much more substance and lyrically Detox will be for the most part a 180 from The Chronic.
A lot of people are wondering what happened to Nightmares and a lot of people will wonder what happened to Imagine (which is a standout track). The official word will be clearance issues, which is in part true, but the real reason could be, among other reasons, saving a beat for someone else and/or saving a track for a different album, but I don't have any idea ;).
Well thats my update for this year. I may post for a couple more minutes but other than that I will be gone once again for quite some time. Hopefully I can stop by again in 2007 with news of an impending release of some album which you have never heard of before by some guy named Andre Young.
Peace, love and happiness to all of you and yours.
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Nice post,
as far as expectations on Detox,
I wanna hear more grown-up music on Detox. Nobody makes hip hop for grown-ups. I don't know exactly how that can be done, but it would be cool to hear. The Dre/Bacharach stuff was cool, if it were stuff like that I'd be happy. I like the idea of orchestras and live instruments. Hip Hop (and it's fans) is growing up, we need artists to grow up with it.
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blablabla
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why didn't dre make it to the video shoot for cali is active?
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Will people want to hear orchestra's and unique live instruments on Detox?
Fuck yeah!! Some of the greatest hip hop tracks have classical music in the instrumentals.
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So shut the fuck up about Dre not caring about west coast hip hop. He's given his life to putting west coast hip-hop on the map. It's time for others to step up. Dre keeps doing music because he loves it not because he needs it. One of these days Dre isn't going to be around. When is someone else gonna stand up and take some responsibility? Don't depend on Dre to keep things going. No more excuses. Be thankful for all Dre his given you over the years and be thankful he's still putting out music.
THANK YOU!
damn i wish mellowman would speak on the Game/Geffen rumors
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Good post man. That's crazy that "Imagine" isn't gonna be on the album, I was really looking forward to that one!
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well hopefully since dre cares about the west, he wont be putting 50 cent on detox... i'd much rather see up and comming artists such as crooked i, sly boogy, chace infinite, and others instead of all the big names who are already established. let's be honest here mellow, nobody from the west is going to get their foot in the door without approval from snoop and dre. if somebody is going to step it up for the west whenever dre is done, then they are going to have the torch passed to them. sorta like how dre brought snoop into it with exposure on earlier records that led to doggystyle, and records that helped daz n kurupt make dogg food big. if hes going to use name artists id like to see him return to the people that helped make that westcoast sound. i'm lookin forward to detox, but dre should make a record he likes and can be proud of, dont play into the expectations of other people. if hes trying to live up to others expectations then he will never succeed because people hold unrealistic goals. Personally, i think he should look to warren and dj quik to help with this record.
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just a quick follow up before i fade out for good. as far as the game rumours i think that's false but I don't know. However, it wouldn't surprise me either way. the game/50 situation took a lot out of dre. he tried to handle it all in private and in house but obviously neither one really listened. without going into details you can read between the lines and tell whats going on.
I agree with you avalanche. dre needs to do the record he wants to do. not what other people want him to. In the end I think Dre will follow his own heart and put out the Detox album that he wants to release. Thats why I appreciate your support for the more experimental/orchestrated sounds. If Dre goes that direction Detox will blow you away. If not it will still probably be a classic, but not the music changing album it could have been.
As far as passing the torch Dre has done that with snoop, doggpound, warren g, game and others already. Dre is grooming bishop to be the next thing and putting a lot of energy into that. I think you'll be happy with what that outcome is. but like I said no more excuses. Others have to step up. You can't rely on Dre. But thats just my opinion. People will blame Dre regardless, but there is only so much he can do.
I gotta go. it's been fun. I'll probably talk to you all somewhere down the road. If not I wish everyone all the success in the world. peace.
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Support Ice Cube's album...His best ever,and, it is independently released, so Cube held nothing back. Dr Dre is rich and powerful and could throw his weight around more if he wanted to. If not Interscope, another powerhouse wuld pay him just as much, and he would get ALL the creative control.
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Support Ice Cube's album...His best ever,and, it is independently released, so Cube held nothing back. Dr Dre is rich and powerful and could throw his weight around more if he wanted to. If not Interscope, another powerhouse wuld pay him just as much, and he would get ALL the creative control.
ok a couple of things here...
1. It's not Cube's best album
2. What the hell does Cube have to do with anything mentioned in this thread?
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Thanks for posting man, I really appreciate that. Don't know if you're gonna read this, but anyway :P
Keep it up, and I have no problems with experimental music, as long as it's banging and makes me want to move it's cool ;D
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LOOK cLOSELY at the post. It said " to support artists who aren't controlled by the powers that be" and that don't have to follow certain cheesy routines( Busta's shitty 2nd single). Cube did his shit independently and held nothing back.
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Does this guy ever give direct information about anything? Everything seems to be fuzzy or an opinion of his. Whatever though....
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Do you take risk by revealing Aftermath/Detox news or you are the official Aftermath messenger ?
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any word about Dion ?
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^this aint no interview.
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Yeah lol stop posting questions, be glad that mellowman still takes the time to stop by and talk to us and bring us information otherwise we wouldn't be able to get.
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thx mellow for the details. I would like to hear a whole new sound on the Dre album woulda been sick if he just changed the shit and came with a whole new sound etc. If he also has political rhymes would be dope to and more intelligent lyrics not just talking about the same ole rides, bling etc but adding little more depth to the lyrics.
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Of course I would like to hear a new sound. And fuck this being another westcoast album. Make an universal vibe.
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Props mellowman
I think the ochestra/instrumental sound would sound crazy, I love that sound.
It's fucked up about Busta's album having to put the bullshit pop tunes in there to make it Interscope ready. Why not just let Dre & Busta make the album they want to with the tracks they want and I know they would make a track that would be crazy, maybe not commericial but just with so much energy that everyone would love it.
I thought that about Nightmares aswell about saving it for the right person since Mobb Deep suck so.
And Aftermath going Independant is my dream, Imagine how sick the Aftermath albums would be without the waterd down pop/r&b tracks, but just straight Hip-Hop with Dre and his artists. No waiting round for G-Unit album to come out just release an album when it's ready.
Props once agin mellowman
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Orchestra sound definetly. The melody on the chours of Dont Get Carried Away is :o
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gd lookin on the update Mel-Man
either way we gonna get a classick. i dont care how long it takes to drop because we all know this will be the last album we ever get from the doctor and we all know it will be worth the wait. The one thing I hope from the album is that Dre keeps it Westcoast.
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Orchestra sound definetly.
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I definitely want a new sound for Detox, one of the reasons Dre has been able to stay relevant for so long is his willingness to move on and try new things.
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gd lookin on the update Mel-Man
lol at u calling him Mel-Man, since the never-ending discussions we've had about mellowman not being Mel-Man. However, who knows...
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gd lookin on the update Mel-Man
lol at u calling him Mel-Man, since the never-ending discussions we've had about mellowman not being Mel-Man. However, who knows...
shut up bitch dont correct me ho :D
While I am proud of every track I have ever worked with Dre and am forever humbled and blessed with his friendship and musical kindship, as well as honored to continue to do music with him, I love doing some other music that's different than what I've been doing with Dre.
sounds like mel-man to me,
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While I am proud of every track I have ever worked with Dre and am forever humbled and blessed with his friendship and musical kindship, as well as honored to continue to do music with him, I love doing some other music that's different than what I've been doing with Dre.
sounds like mel-man to me,
The man has stated so many times he is not Mel-Man. As far as I know there is one producer Dr. Dre works with that does other genres than hip hop too and that producer did a whole album with Fiona Apple. I could be wrong though :-\
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Thanks Mellow, always appreciate your comments , of course I want some crazy shit for Dre(orchestra, lots of different instruments..) hip hop needs to improve and change sound wise (I don't even talk about lyrics :-X) but it's kinda sad we still count on Dre to make it happen..
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good shit mellow....thanks for posting
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Does this guy ever give direct information about anything? Everything seems to be fuzzy or an opinion of his. Whatever though....
I was thinking the same thing, hes never reallly saying anything informative or anything we don't already know
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Thanks Mellow, always appreciate your comments , of course I want some crazy shit for Dre(orchestra, lots of different instruments..) hip hop needs to improve and change sound wise (I don't even talk about lyrics :-X) but it's kinda sad we still count on Dre to make it happen..
word. for me i would love only mcs on there who can flow and have that real talent to ride the beat and not because they are lyricists. i think everyone wants this album for the sound. I would like to hear snoop and most definitely 6"2 riding crazy on some insane musical productions - i don't care what they are saying as long as it is not wack political shit. Most of the rappers Mellow listed as being "positive" are as irrelevant and fake as those who occupy a fantasy world of bitches and glocks. They are just not "real" (whatever the fuck that means) - old men who are rich and made it are not compelling as political artists (except for Cube), political hip hop works when it is produced by young angry dudes who aint preaching they just straight militant. I'll quit the ranting shit now... :-X
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Does this guy ever give direct information about anything? Everything seems to be fuzzy or an opinion of his. Whatever though....
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Couldn't go away without coming back to see what y'all are saying. its always nice to see old friends back too. what's up zilla? I totally agree with ya as far as not bringing much news. For one I am much more out of the loop now and 2, there really isn't any news to report. that's one of the reasons i will probably only come back once or twice a year. I think everyone would get real tired of me posting the same thing over and over again without any news to report. Plus I'm way too busy and too old to be spending a lot of time on these forums. i do appreciate the feedback about a lot of you being open and/or hoping Dre goes the orchestra/heavy live instrument type route on Detox. I'll definitely pass it on. I hope he goes this way cause he has a lot of great tracks like that already as well as a lot of skeleton blueprints of tracks that would be very compatible with building orchestral movements on top of.
If you want some news, I kind of briefly mentioned it earlier, but if you want to know the reason Dre kept Nightmares off Blood Money was cause he didn't want to waste his experimental beat he had on that track on that particular album. he's keeping it for Detox. Don't be suprised to see Imagine show up there as well. Detox will be all Dre produced. There will be no beat that Dre doesn't produce, there may be two or three that he coproduced or remixes/rebuilds. It's also time for a certain uk banned dogg to go see the doctor. Peace.
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^^ mobb deep and busta must feel dumb, they hyped their dre tracks up in all the magazines and they didn't even end up getting them...
I got faith that detox will drop though, and it's gonna be crazy.
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do u know why dre didn't show up to the cali is active video shoot?
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shit is crazy, i'm almost starting to believe detox might happen. ;D
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I agree with many of his opinions, but Zilla's right - it's not like he's dropping jewels of knowledge. It's always VERY vague and rehashing the same things over and over. Dre's the greatest, Detox is gonna change the game, not sure when it's dropping, 5.1 surround sound, bla bla bla. I could write the exact same shit. Why can he only post a couple times a year? LOL, its like he said - it'd be tough for him to keep up his bullshit stories. There would be so many ways he could validate himself but he never does.
I"m not hatin on dude, cuz like I said I think he's got some valid points on the industry and such. But he's yet to ever say anything that made me believe that he works with Dre. And until he does, as far as i'm concerned he's a phony.
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this whole thing just goes nowhere
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i love the ideas for the sound of detox and i think dre should go for different vibes with this new orchestral sound, one of which being plenty of funk. funk really gives a record a rounded feel, the outta control rmx beat was crazy, i like it more than the other new stuff on bustas cd...
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I guessed right on that imagine and the nightmares track :)
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I think that using some orchestra/instrumental type of shit wud b a gr8 idea, but I'm kinda expectin Dre 2 do sumfin like that anyway, why shouldn't he? Is Detox gonna be anything like 2001? No. In the same way that 2001 was nothing like the chronic. They were both completely different but both still amazing and they are both now classics. Thats why I wud expect Dre 2 com with sumfin different, sumfin that will be innovative. It's Dre, so u no its gonna b damn gud cos he wont let u hear it if it wasnt.
As far as Dre having 2 choose different singles n shit 4 other artists rather than the 1's he wants I can understand cos at the end of the day its Jimmy's money and he ain't gonna front up all the money 4 an album n not get a say on what he wants releasin from it.
I agree with the fact that ppl shud stop hatin on Dre for wot he isnt doin('he dont help the west' blablabla) and be thankful 4 wot he has given/is giving.
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go with the orchestra sound. if dre is innovative like usual it will work out well. i will buy 5 copies to support his hard work
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Couldn't go away without coming back to see what y'all are saying. its always nice to see old friends back too. what's up zilla? I totally agree with ya as far as not bringing much news. For one I am much more out of the loop now and 2, there really isn't any news to report. that's one of the reasons i will probably only come back once or twice a year. I think everyone would get real tired of me posting the same thing over and over again without any news to report. Plus I'm way too busy and too old to be spending a lot of time on these forums. i do appreciate the feedback about a lot of you being open and/or hoping Dre goes the orchestra/heavy live instrument type route on Detox. I'll definitely pass it on. I hope he goes this way cause he has a lot of great tracks like that already as well as a lot of skeleton blueprints of tracks that would be very compatible with building orchestral movements on top of.
If you want some news, I kind of briefly mentioned it earlier, but if you want to know the reason Dre kept Nightmares off Blood Money was cause he didn't want to waste his experimental beat he had on that track on that particular album. he's keeping it for Detox. Don't be suprised to see Imagine show up there as well. Detox will be all Dre produced. There will be no beat that Dre doesn't produce, there may be two or three that he coproduced or remixes/rebuilds. It's also time for a certain uk banned dogg to go see the doctor. Peace.
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can you talk at all about Dre and Snoop working together?
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I would definetely like to hear something new and expermental on detox. I need something fresh :)
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Whatever Dre wants to do, I'm sure it will sound dope (or we'll grow to like it ;)) He should be given as much freedom on Detox as possible.
It's also time for a certain uk banned dogg to go see the doctor. Peace.
I like the sound of this, even though it could mean several different things.
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I dont care about the sound or anything..
I trust Dre not to put out a brick under his own name whatever the direction.
I just hope that 'the powers' don't force fit a cheesy blemish on the album.
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I agree with many of his opinions, but Zilla's right - it's not like he's dropping jewels of knowledge. It's always VERY vague and rehashing the same things over and over. Dre's the greatest, Detox is gonna change the game, not sure when it's dropping, 5.1 surround sound, bla bla bla. I could write the exact same shit. Why can he only post a couple times a year? LOL, its like he said - it'd be tough for him to keep up his bullshit stories. There would be so many ways he could validate himself but he never does.
I"m not hatin on dude, cuz like I said I think he's got some valid points on the industry and such. But he's yet to ever say anything that made me believe that he works with Dre. And until he does, as far as i'm concerned he's a phony.
You probably don't trust my opinion either, but I know for a fact the dude works with Dre.
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On a personal level I am not doing as much hip-hop anymore because quite frankly I think most of it is horrible. Big label politics, including ----------'s is pissing me off. Take Busta's new album for example. Dre had to put a few dumb pop songs on the album and throw off much more quality tracks to appease higher ups. the second single Interscope picked is horrible.
I don't want to hate but this right there to me is just wrong. Bus's album aint a disappointment necessarily because it has pop songs on it, it's because the pop songs are so wack. Come on man you telling me Interscope didn't want to have a track like In da club or the Outta Control remix or Still DRE etc to sell Busta's album (massive commercial poppy singles). I don't care what is said about the pressure from the label, I don't really believe it all. Dre's strength was always to bring heat and keep it hiphop, I simply do not believe there were real hot tracks that were left off the Big Bang album (except Imagine). This album is just wack and Dre got to take some of the criticism for that - the label always takes the blame.
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^^ Are you Jimmy Iovine?
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Thanks for all the info, Mellow.
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^^ Are you Jimmy Iovine?
no but i do work closely with Jimmy. May I say how honoured I have been to work with this wonderful music executive over many years. I will only post once maybe twice a year as I am very busy working on many projects. peace...
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^^ Are you Jimmy Iovine?
no but i do work closely with Jimmy. May I say how honoured I have been to work with this wonderful music executive over many years. I will only post once maybe twice a year as I am very busy working on many projects. peace...
lol
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BLAH BLAH BLAH
aren't you the same bitch that always post some bullshit "inside" news on Aftermath related news?
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^^ Are you Jimmy Iovine?
no but i do work closely with Jimmy. May I say how honoured I have been to work with this wonderful music executive over many years. I will only post once maybe twice a year as I am very busy working on many projects. peace...
lol
Digital, I don’t give a sh*t if you don't believe me. I am a close confidant of Jimmy's. Here's the latest news, I'm pleased to report that Bank's project is sounding crazy. the unit crew are going for a new style of flow which Banks has been experimenting with since day one - it's very advanced monotonal delivery in order to assist those who suffer from insomnia. 50 is very excited cos he's had trouble sleeping ever since he exchanged his pyjamas for kevlar. This is a new departure for Hip Hop and is way in advance of what anyone is doing out there right now. The whole camp are buzzing.
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Wow, I hope ya'll don't act like this in real life, specially Quik Is The Name, what the hell is wrong with you?
Seriously, anybody who's been on dubcc longer than 2 years knows mellowman is legit...
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Wow, I hope ya'll don't act like this in real life, specially Quik Is The Name, what the hell is wrong with you?
Seriously, anybody who's been on dubcc longer than 2 years knows mellowman is legit...
legit? So this person actaully works for Afermath?
I don't remember every reading one posts and any of the stuff he mentioned ever come true
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That's because your parents probably lied to you as a child or your mom's a whore or something, so you don't trust anything. Mellowman's legit, be skeptical if you want, though, your loss.
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That's because your parents probably lied to you as a child or your mom's a whore or something, so you don't trust anything. Mellowman's legit, be skeptical if you want, though, your loss.
how is he legit?? because he just says so?
LMAO
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shits crazy, y'all talkin like dre is a god or sumthing, mellowman said it, it's time for other artists/producers to step their game up, and i know a lotta rappers who i dig and are making bangin music, its not like everything is wack without dre productions...thats just stupid shit, and dre has also made wack songs
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That's because your parents probably lied to you as a child or your mom's a whore or something, so you don't trust anything. Mellowman's legit, be skeptical if you want, though, your loss.
how is he legit?? because he just says so?
LMAO
You're ignorant and not intelligent enough to understand.
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That's because your parents probably lied to you as a child or your mom's a whore or something, so you don't trust anything. Mellowman's legit, be skeptical if you want, though, your loss.
how is he legit?? because he just says so?
LMAO
You're ignorant and not intelligent enough to understand.
I feel sorry for you
not really
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I agree with many of his opinions, but Zilla's right - it's not like he's dropping jewels of knowledge. It's always VERY vague and rehashing the same things over and over. Dre's the greatest, Detox is gonna change the game, not sure when it's dropping, 5.1 surround sound, bla bla bla. I could write the exact same shit. Why can he only post a couple times a year? LOL, its like he said - it'd be tough for him to keep up his bullshit stories. There would be so many ways he could validate himself but he never does.
I"m not hatin on dude, cuz like I said I think he's got some valid points on the industry and such. But he's yet to ever say anything that made me believe that he works with Dre. And until he does, as far as i'm concerned he's a phony.
You probably don't trust my opinion either, but I know for a fact the dude works with Dre.
Well are you stating opinion or fact? Either way, back your shit up. What has convinced you that he's legit?
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I agree with many of his opinions, but Zilla's right - it's not like he's dropping jewels of knowledge. It's always VERY vague and rehashing the same things over and over. Dre's the greatest, Detox is gonna change the game, not sure when it's dropping, 5.1 surround sound, bla bla bla. I could write the exact same shit. Why can he only post a couple times a year? LOL, its like he said - it'd be tough for him to keep up his bullshit stories. There would be so many ways he could validate himself but he never does.
I"m not hatin on dude, cuz like I said I think he's got some valid points on the industry and such. But he's yet to ever say anything that made me believe that he works with Dre. And until he does, as far as i'm concerned he's a phony.
You probably don't trust my opinion either, but I know for a fact the dude works with Dre.
Well are you stating opinion or fact? Either way, back your shit up. What has convinced you that he's legit?
he needs to post his pay check, that's signed by Dre
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that thing is like an essy, i aint readin all that shit.
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sorry for bumping this old topic, but:
On a personal level I am not doing as much hip-hop anymore because quite frankly I think most of it is horrible. Big label politics, including ----------'s is pissing me off. Take Busta's new album for example. Dre had to put a few dumb pop songs on the album and throw off much more quality tracks to appease higher ups. the second single Interscope picked is horrible.
I don't want to hate but this right there to me is just wrong. Bus's album aint a disappointment necessarily because it has pop songs on it, it's because the pop songs are so wack. Come on man you telling me Interscope didn't want to have a track like In da club or the Outta Control remix or Still DRE etc to sell Busta's album (massive commercial poppy singles). I don't care what is said about the pressure from the label, I don't really believe it all. Dre's strength was always to bring heat and keep it hiphop, I simply do not believe there were real hot tracks that were left off the Big Bang album (except Imagine). This album is just wack and Dre got to take some of the criticism for that - the label always takes the blame.
you are right.
but i can imagine that making crossover songs is frustrating :laugh:
Eminem talked about this the song "The Way I Am"; he felt a lot of pressure from interscope to come up with another hit like "My Name is" ;)
i heavily disagree with you about the album though; i think it's far from wack, it's just the pop songs that are wack to me ;)
both sides are to blame.
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Im sorry but 2006 sucked.