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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: ANgry! on November 03, 2012, 10:06:07 AM
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this is how i listen to rap now...
*gets youtube link from some nerd telling me to check ____*
*listens for 10 seconds*
*beat sucks rapper sucks*
*OFF*
RAP SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
95% of the producers who could make good beats back in the day fucking SUCK now!!!!!!!!
it must be hard if you can still rap...
rappers going through 1000's of beats that SUCK... getting old listening to wack beat tapes... looking for SOMETHING...
then theres the old washed up rapper that cant pick a beat to save his life anymore, cuz he lost his safety net of having producers that could get him good tracks to rap on... now hes on his own... writing to garbage thats overflowing his gmail account!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BWHWBHAHAHBWHAHAHAB @ producers who lease beats online
such LOSERS
you got these nobody producers that cry like faggots when some big producer steals their beat they sent in mass e-mails with no tags to every big producer online
"OMG i spent 10 minutes on that beat this is a shady business"
you think!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?
LOL @ no name producers crying on twitter to rappers that bought their wack beats looking for "royalties"
the album made 0$ IDIOT...
"ive been screwed over so much in this industry"...
yeah seriously... cant believe you didnt see points on an album that sold less than 100 copies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
bitch made rappers and cry baby bitch producers....
you got guys like just blaze... who literally does NOTHING but arrange his record collection... if just blaze drops a beat now... its STOLEN... he goes through his e-mail, and mixes over a track some dumb kid sent him untagged... then some loser rapper blows his budget on the beat and ends up crying about the industry eating him alive!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
everyone has a beat tape.... i can listen to 10 beat tapes and not hear ONE good beat....
you got these bums over producing records... david gueta laser sounds and electro pulse...
then you got these minimalist "lets keep it simple" producers... trying to "bring it back" by flipping classic samples in the most unimaginable boring hack fashion... some of these kids even sample pre-exisiting rap songs.. LOL @ sampling a sampled rap track
guys like dj premier holding underground rappers HOSTAGE...
rappers give preem 6 G'z up front for a beat hoping they get a termanology banger... and not an apathy ICP rock type joint...
preem has these UG rappers sweating bullets, hoping he sends them a beat before their deadline.... they already paid him... now they wait... if the track sucks.... tough luck... theyre too shook to tell preem or ask for another one cuz its preem... theyll make it the lead single and shoot a video for it no matter how BAD it is... cuz its preem...
ADVICE... find a good producer and do a whole album with him...
dj muggs is doing wack ass DUB STEP records... DUB STEP fans think hes a corny poser... ironically so do rap fans....
dr.dre has alex da kid making him melancholy gay shit....
buckwild gave CELPH TITLED... a whole crate of VINTAGE beats that AZ coulda dropped a classic with.... instead we get corny ass celph titled lying about fucking chicks in his cartoon voice over vintage bangers.. the guy that dyed his beard so he could drop nigga on his shit made a song called "fuckmaster sex" over a classic buckwild beat AZ woulda stopped time on... DAMN... big l ghost should haunt buckwild for that....
LOL @ dying your gold beard black though celph is a CHUMP
decent rapper embarrassing person!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
pete rock is afraid of horns now...
its crazy...
showbiz dropping whole turds with KRS...
stoupe lost his shit and made an opera album with some singer bitch that isnt even good.... hope he hit it.... he trashed JMT for a some vampire chick....
where the good producers at!?!!?!?!!?!?!?!?
alchemist trying to be roc marciano... hearing marceberg fucked his sound up... dont get me wrong he still ALC but hes doing a lot of this string/string/no drum shit and forgetting he is ALC the lab explosion that makes super bangers....
LOL @ epic producers
epic producer = hack that grew up listening to limp bizkit that downloaded free beat software so he could sample movie soundtracks on amazon.com so he can make beats to feature on european rap compilations
im listening to MIC TYSON right now its very good.. sean price picks good beats... unfortunately hes getting old and probably hates rap as much as i do... its over!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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blame the south for being the only market that still buys music (ie forcing rappers to try to appeal to the south)
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blame the south for being the only market that still buys music (ie forcing rappers to try to appeal to the south)
they not the only region i'm sure. the music biz signs and push what people support. if so many assholes didn't support wack shit it wouldn't be in style now.
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blame the south for being the only market that still buys music (ie forcing rappers to try to appeal to the south)
they not the only region i'm sure. the music biz signs and push what people support. if so many assholes didn't support wack shit it wouldn't be in style now.
That about sums it up.
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this is how i listen to rap now...
*gets youtube link from some nerd telling me to check ____*
*listens for 10 seconds*
*beat sucks rapper sucks*
*OFF*
RAP SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
95% of the producers who could make good beats back in the day fucking SUCK now!!!!!!!!
it must be hard if you can still rap...
rappers going through 1000's of beats that SUCK... getting old listening to wack beat tapes... looking for SOMETHING...
then theres the old washed up rapper that cant pick a beat to save his life anymore, cuz he lost his safety net of having producers that could get him good tracks to rap on... now hes on his own... writing to garbage thats overflowing his gmail account!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BWHWBHAHAHBWHAHAHAB @ producers who lease beats online
such LOSERS
you got these nobody producers that cry like faggots when some big producer steals their beat they sent in mass e-mails with no tags to every big producer online
"OMG i spent 10 minutes on that beat this is a shady business"
you think!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?
LOL @ no name producers crying on twitter to rappers that bought their wack beats looking for "royalties"
the album made 0$ IDIOT...
"ive been screwed over so much in this industry"...
yeah seriously... cant believe you didnt see points on an album that sold less than 100 copies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
bitch made rappers and cry baby bitch producers....
you got guys like just blaze... who literally does NOTHING but arrange his record collection... if just blaze drops a beat now... its STOLEN... he goes through his e-mail, and mixes over a track some dumb kid sent him untagged... then some loser rapper blows his budget on the beat and ends up crying about the industry eating him alive!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
everyone has a beat tape.... i can listen to 10 beat tapes and not hear ONE good beat....
you got these bums over producing records... david gueta laser sounds and electro pulse...
then you got these minimalist "lets keep it simple" producers... trying to "bring it back" by flipping classic samples in the most unimaginable boring hack fashion... some of these kids even sample pre-exisiting rap songs.. LOL @ sampling a sampled rap track
guys like dj premier holding underground rappers HOSTAGE...
rappers give preem 6 G'z up front for a beat hoping they get a termanology banger... and not an apathy ICP rock type joint...
preem has these UG rappers sweating bullets, hoping he sends them a beat before their deadline.... they already paid him... now they wait... if the track sucks.... tough luck... theyre too shook to tell preem or ask for another one cuz its preem... theyll make it the lead single and shoot a video for it no matter how BAD it is... cuz its preem...
ADVICE... find a good producer and do a whole album with him...
dj muggs is doing wack ass DUB STEP records... DUB STEP fans think hes a corny poser... ironically so do rap fans....
dr.dre has alex da kid making him melancholy gay shit....
buckwild gave CELPH TITLED... a whole crate of VINTAGE beats that AZ coulda dropped a classic with.... instead we get corny ass celph titled lying about fucking chicks in his cartoon voice over vintage bangers.. the guy that dyed his beard so he could drop nigga on his shit made a song called "fuckmaster sex" over a classic buckwild beat AZ woulda stopped time on... DAMN... big l ghost should haunt buckwild for that....
LOL @ dying your gold beard black though celph is a CHUMP
decent rapper embarrassing person!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
pete rock is afraid of horns now...
its crazy...
showbiz dropping whole turds with KRS...
stoupe lost his shit and made an opera album with some singer bitch that isnt even good.... hope he hit it.... he trashed JMT for a some vampire chick....
where the good producers at!?!!?!?!!?!?!?!?
alchemist trying to be roc marciano... hearing marceberg fucked his sound up... dont get me wrong he still ALC but hes doing a lot of this string/string/no drum shit and forgetting he is ALC the lab explosion that makes super bangers....
LOL @ epic producers
epic producer = hack that grew up listening to limp bizkit that downloaded free beat software so he could sample movie soundtracks on amazon.com so he can make beats to feature on european rap compilations
im listening to MIC TYSON right now its very good.. sean price picks good beats... unfortunately hes getting old and probably hates rap as much as i do... its over!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i don't think sean is gettin' tired if anything he's still got the hunger to deliver the material his fans appreciate and as long you can do that you can't go wrong.
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i actually agree with most of what Angry said, but i think he's limiting himself to what he's listening to also (like 95% of critics do). Other than that i think he's said somewhat of the truth and its very sad.
i know the antidote tho...
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It's a trend, first was the 808s, now it's the electro chords.
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Maybe you're just growing out of rap music. You realize some muli bragging over a lazy beat with stolen melodies and no real musical progression isn't your cup of tea. Not a bad thing.
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To be fair, it seems like producers have exhausted everything you can do. There's really nothing new or innovative for the last 5-10 years.
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To be fair, it seems like producers have exhausted everything you can do. There's really nothing new or innovative for the last 5-10 years.
I disagree, I think right now is a great time in hip hop production. Back in the days hip hop was about samplin' funk and soul. 5 years ago there was nothing like clams casino, what I mean is we see producers doing shit that is different, but still good. I think samplin' evolved these last years. A good example of that is Ski beatz and what he did with Curren$y. I think it's somethin' different that is pushin' hip hop forward. And, hate it or love it, but what Kanye West did with his last album was really innovative (I love the drums on that album, the way he took an old pete rock drum break sample, in fact a lot of the album is using old school type of drums)
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I'm talking about the landscape as a majority. For the last 5-10 years it seems like every big rapper in the game is just using the hot sound or hot producer of the moment making everything sound redundant.
There are definitely exceptions like Clams Casino who I'm feelin at the moment because he brings a fresh new sound.
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I'm talking about the landscape as a majority. For the last 5-10 years it seems like every big rapper in the game is just using the hot sound or hot producer of the moment making everything sound redundant.
There are definitely exceptions like Clams Casino who I'm feelin at the moment because he brings a fresh new sound.
1. yeah, everything sounds like a trap song recently, boring n repetitive
2. clams casino is a breath of fresh air for sure
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i stand by my statement 95% of beats made today are ASS
so many hack producers with free beat software pumping their shit...
so many hack producers getting placement on bullshit albums...
i remember when polow da don sold NAS a STOCK loop that came with his beat software for nas' lead single on hip hop is dead... they bought it anyway....
if you IDIOTS had any idea how many producers jack beats online... youd be sick...
timbaland was making STUPID money selling big names junk he stole from stupid kids in his e-mail.... if just blaze does a track for someone that ISNT a chart topping artist... you can bet hes stealing the first thing he comes across untagged, giving it a quick mixdown, and sliding it to ___ for a cpl grand... thats how a lot of these frauds "work".... ever wonder what happened to just blaze sig style!?!?!?!?!?! its not worth the time in the studio anymore... no more 6 figure pay days for sampled beats...
when someone gets good beats now its real impressive...
o.c. - TROPHIES... INCREDIBLE... even apollo brown is reduced to reflipping tons of samples i heard flipped 100 times but he always delivers... cant say the same for a lot of these kids reflipping classic samples and turning them into boring... dry... pieces of shit....
ALC is waaaaay too deep in this experimental minimalist string on string shit... it was cool for russian roulette lets hear the ALC super bangers that make producers wanna quit... stop with this artsy gee tarrrr over geee tar drumless wannabe RZA/roc marci shit... he doing it again on the first joint i heard with action bronson... probably the whole album... more covert coupe return of the mac shit... thats classic ALC... more shit like the stuff he gave sean price... hell be alright though... hell figure it out...
and where all the blood boiling beats?!!?!?!?!?!!?
remeber when you heard rap and wanted to punch someone in the face!?!?!?!?!!?!?
i wanna punch hack producers in the face....
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You're all a bunch of fuckin slaves!
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totally agree with thread starter. It looks like all these producers forgot about "bang ya head" factor. Besides lyrics rap music was all about fat beats - sampled, synthesized or however the fuck they wanted to do them they had to bang your head. Back in the days even chillout rap tracks made us rock our heads.
ok... here's something for all ya fat beats lovers....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koeejNtRAWc
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To be fair, it seems like producers have exhausted everything you can do. There's really nothing new or innovative for the last 5-10 years.
false.
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To be fair, it seems like producers have exhausted everything you can do. There's really nothing new or innovative for the last 5-10 years.
false.
Opinions can't be true or false.
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I disagree. For example listen to producers like Tommy Mas, Onra, Roc Marciano, Alchemist, the Purist, the Arcitype. There's enough talent
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To be fair, it seems like producers have exhausted everything you can do. There's really nothing new or innovative for the last 5-10 years.
false.
Opinions can't be true or false.
there are way too many talented producers out there currently for your statement to be true.
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There are some, no doubt. But compared to 10 years ago, there's not as many people that can put it down in the lab in my opinion.
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Pharrell and Organized Noize still produce banging beats!
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not agree ...i think nowaydays 95% rappers suck , not the producers ..
back in the day , just a george clinton sample could make a dope production
tupac, nas .. or anther great rapper could make a good song with a simple beat or no beats at all
many hip hop classics have very simple beats (illmatic, 36 chambers, NWA and pac albums ..)
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not agree ...i think nowaydays 95% rappers suck , not the producers ..
back in the day , just a george clinton sample could make a dope production
tupac, nas .. or anther great rapper could make a good song with a simple beat or no beats at all
many hip hop classics have very simple beats (illmatic, 36 chambers, NWA and pac albums ..)
less is more - have you ever heard that sentence?
Most of the music classics (not only rap but popular music in general) are simple as fuck but got the vibe, the tension... simply something that make you move your head/legs/body. Nowadays producers take complexity over substance... i mean three chords put well together can make a great song but they forgot about it... they try to prove they're better than others so hard..i guess that's what pushing them to make such beats - complex but without soul at all.
PS. Vinnie Paz - Cheesesteaks is the beat of the year imo. Simple but powerful. Great mood, great vibe... there are good beats in 2012... but not to many...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsK-OxJQJP8
PS2. Nas, Wu Tang etc. would never achieve what they did without the beats they were rapping to. These simple, grimey beats made perfect mood to their lyrics... You can't get 100% power of the lyrics without the moody beat. It's like watching the movie with no soundtrack on it...
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i mean three chords put well together can make a great song but they forgot about it... they try to prove they're better than others so hard..i guess that's what pushing them to make such beats - complex but without soul at all.
Do u really know what a chord is ? most rap songs dont use 3 chords in its structure , one or 2 is the most frequent .. most rap songs are based on a catchy and repetitive melody so just 1 chord ...
and what you said about moody or beautiful beats is completly subjective, you dont even mention harmony ...
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There are some, no doubt. But compared to 10 years ago, there's not as many people that can put it down in the lab in my opinion.
what are u listening to ?
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i mean three chords put well together can make a great song but they forgot about it... they try to prove they're better than others so hard..i guess that's what pushing them to make such beats - complex but without soul at all.
Do u really know what a chord is ? most rap songs dont use 3 chords in its structure , one or 2 is the most frequent .. most rap songs are based on a catchy and repetitive melody so just 1 chord ...
and what you said about moody or beautiful beats is completly subjective, you dont even mention harmony ...
yep.. chord is a consonance of at least three notes but when you play these three notes together at the same time they won't make a melody (you'll need another chord to make a melody).
... anyway, i know you're trying to bring me down with terminology - typical move for people who don't get the point. i will try with simple words, without using 'chords' 'octaves' or 'notes' so you can get the point this time:
simple melodies often make better songs...
got it, smartass?
and what you said about moody or beautiful beats is completly subjective, you dont even mention harmony ...
the whole topic is about subjective thing
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i mean three chords put well together can make a great song but they forgot about it... they try to prove they're better than others so hard..i guess that's what pushing them to make such beats - complex but without soul at all.
Do u really know what a chord is ? most rap songs dont use 3 chords in its structure , one or 2 is the most frequent .. most rap songs are based on a catchy and repetitive melody so just 1 chord ...
and what you said about moody or beautiful beats is completly subjective, you dont even mention harmony ...
yep.. chord is a consonance of at least three notes but when you play these three notes together at the same time they won't make a melody (you'll need another chord to make a melody).
... anyway, i know you're trying to bring me down with terminology - typical move for people who don't get the point. i will try with simple words, without using 'chords' 'octaves' or 'notes' so you can get the point this time:
simple melodies often make better songs...
got it, smartass?
and what you said about moody or beautiful beats is completly subjective, you dont even mention harmony ...
the whole topic is about subjective thing
LOL ok homie ....its just a matter of opinion and no facts !! so we can say there still many talented producers out here..
BTW most melodies in rap is based on a 1 only chord or 2 , its called a scale...a scale is derived from a chord and you can have more than 3 notes and just 1 only chord . and an octave is the same note at a higher or lower pitch or played in a different position on your guitar, keyboard, bass ...so next time you will listen to a rap song and notice 6 or 7 notes its probly only 3 or 4 different notes and just one chord ... ;D
and yeah more complex dont mean better ..
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not agree ...i think nowaydays 95% rappers suck , not the producers ..
back in the day , just a george clinton sample could make a dope production
tupac, nas .. or anther great rapper could make a good song with a simple beat or no beats at all
many hip hop classics have very simple beats (illmatic, 36 chambers, NWA and pac albums ..)
less is more - have you ever heard that sentence?
Most of the music classics (not only rap but popular music in general) are simple as fuck but got the vibe, the tension... simply something that make you move your head/legs/body. Nowadays producers take complexity over substance... i mean three chords put well together can make a great song but they forgot about it... they try to prove they're better than others so hard..i guess that's what pushing them to make such beats - complex but without soul at all.
PS. Vinnie Paz - Cheesesteaks is the beat of the year imo. Simple but powerful. Great mood, great vibe... there are good beats in 2012... but not to many...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsK-OxJQJP8
PS2. Nas, Wu Tang etc. would never achieve what they did without the beats they were rapping to. These simple, grimey beats made perfect mood to their lyrics... You can't get 100% power of the lyrics without the moody beat. It's like watching the movie with no soundtrack on it...
I completely disagree. Pete Rock produced T.R.O.Y. which is arguably one of the best hip hop instrumental ever. This beat is complex as fuck. It's really hard to blend together different samples to make it glue like that together and create a vibe, a sound.
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not agree ...i think nowaydays 95% rappers suck , not the producers ..
back in the day , just a george clinton sample could make a dope production
tupac, nas .. or anther great rapper could make a good song with a simple beat or no beats at all
many hip hop classics have very simple beats (illmatic, 36 chambers, NWA and pac albums ..)
less is more - have you ever heard that sentence?
Most of the music classics (not only rap but popular music in general) are simple as fuck but got the vibe, the tension... simply something that make you move your head/legs/body. Nowadays producers take complexity over substance... i mean three chords put well together can make a great song but they forgot about it... they try to prove they're better than others so hard..i guess that's what pushing them to make such beats - complex but without soul at all.
PS. Vinnie Paz - Cheesesteaks is the beat of the year imo. Simple but powerful. Great mood, great vibe... there are good beats in 2012... but not to many...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsK-OxJQJP8
PS2. Nas, Wu Tang etc. would never achieve what they did without the beats they were rapping to. These simple, grimey beats made perfect mood to their lyrics... You can't get 100% power of the lyrics without the moody beat. It's like watching the movie with no soundtrack on it...
I completely disagree. Pete Rock produced T.R.O.Y. which is arguably one of the best hip hop instrumental ever. This beat is complex as fuck. It's really hard to blend together different samples to make it glue like that together and create a vibe, a sound.
i don't want to sound offensive but is it really that hard to read and think? lol
seriously now... i never said simple beats are always better than complex ones. I just said most of the classics are simple and great at once. I also said that simple melodies often make better songs/beats. Often doesn't mean always.
Yes, you're right saying it's hard to make complex beat but at the end of the day it's not the difficulties what makes a song good or bad.
PS. i don't listen to rap music that much these days because i find it more boring than i ever did. I'm more trip-hop/abstract hip-hop head today and believe me or not but imo most of trip-hop producers are the ones who know how to deal with complexity without loosing the vibe.
PS2. I don;t find TROY complex at all - it's the same loop all over the song plus sax samples layered on it. this is very simple beat.
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not agree ...i think nowaydays 95% rappers suck , not the producers ..
back in the day , just a george clinton sample could make a dope production
tupac, nas .. or anther great rapper could make a good song with a simple beat or no beats at all
many hip hop classics have very simple beats (illmatic, 36 chambers, NWA and pac albums ..)
less is more - have you ever heard that sentence?
Most of the music classics (not only rap but popular music in general) are simple as fuck but got the vibe, the tension... simply something that make you move your head/legs/body. Nowadays producers take complexity over substance... i mean three chords put well together can make a great song but they forgot about it... they try to prove they're better than others so hard..i guess that's what pushing them to make such beats - complex but without soul at all.
PS. Vinnie Paz - Cheesesteaks is the beat of the year imo. Simple but powerful. Great mood, great vibe... there are good beats in 2012... but not to many...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsK-OxJQJP8
PS2. Nas, Wu Tang etc. would never achieve what they did without the beats they were rapping to. These simple, grimey beats made perfect mood to their lyrics... You can't get 100% power of the lyrics without the moody beat. It's like watching the movie with no soundtrack on it...
I completely disagree. Pete Rock produced T.R.O.Y. which is arguably one of the best hip hop instrumental ever. This beat is complex as fuck. It's really hard to blend together different samples to make it glue like that together and create a vibe, a sound.
i don't want to sound offensive but is it really that hard to read and think? lol
seriously now... i never said simple beats are always better than complex ones. I just said most of the classics are simple and great at once. I also said that simple melodies often make better songs/beats. Often doesn't mean always.
Yes, you're right saying it's hard to make complex beat but at the end of the day it's not the difficulties what makes a song good or bad.
PS. i don't listen to rap music that much these days because i find it more boring than i ever did. I'm more trip-hop/abstract hip-hop head today and believe me or not but imo most of trip-hop producers are the ones who know how to deal with complexity without loosing the vibe.
PS2. I don;t find TROY complex at all - it's the same loop all over the song plus sax samples layered on it. this is very simple beat.
Let's just agree to disagree. I understand what you're trying to say. But imo, what make a great producer GREAT is that they make it sound simple. But if pay attention to the details and the different layers and how it is mixed together to create a vibe or a landscape, you can hear how it is really NOT simple. TO say that T.R.O.Y isn't comlpex and only the same loop all over the song just shows that you don't quite get it.
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i absolutley agree with ANgry! this time
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yup...most producers dont put any soul into their music. shit definitely sux. and you're right about producers stealing from cats online. the homie purps produced a gang of shit for waka flaka, only for some other shithead named prince to steal credit. dude made the beat to one of waka's biggest songs ("homies"), and basically didn't see a dime from it LOL....shits sad. but u still got the dope shit droppin here and there. Xzibit's "Napalm" was full of slappers, front to back.
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not agree ...i think nowaydays 95% rappers suck , not the producers ..
back in the day , just a george clinton sample could make a dope production
tupac, nas .. or anther great rapper could make a good song with a simple beat or no beats at all
many hip hop classics have very simple beats (illmatic, 36 chambers, NWA and pac albums ..)
less is more - have you ever heard that sentence?
Most of the music classics (not only rap but popular music in general) are simple as fuck but got the vibe, the tension... simply something that make you move your head/legs/body. Nowadays producers take complexity over substance... i mean three chords put well together can make a great song but they forgot about it... they try to prove they're better than others so hard..i guess that's what pushing them to make such beats - complex but without soul at all.
PS. Vinnie Paz - Cheesesteaks is the beat of the year imo. Simple but powerful. Great mood, great vibe... there are good beats in 2012... but not to many...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsK-OxJQJP8
PS2. Nas, Wu Tang etc. would never achieve what they did without the beats they were rapping to. These simple, grimey beats made perfect mood to their lyrics... You can't get 100% power of the lyrics without the moody beat. It's like watching the movie with no soundtrack on it...
I completely disagree. Pete Rock produced T.R.O.Y. which is arguably one of the best hip hop instrumental ever. This beat is complex as fuck. It's really hard to blend together different samples to make it glue like that together and create a vibe, a sound.
i don't want to sound offensive but is it really that hard to read and think? lol
seriously now... i never said simple beats are always better than complex ones. I just said most of the classics are simple and great at once. I also said that simple melodies often make better songs/beats. Often doesn't mean always.
Yes, you're right saying it's hard to make complex beat but at the end of the day it's not the difficulties what makes a song good or bad.
PS. i don't listen to rap music that much these days because i find it more boring than i ever did. I'm more trip-hop/abstract hip-hop head today and believe me or not but imo most of trip-hop producers are the ones who know how to deal with complexity without loosing the vibe.
PS2. I don;t find TROY complex at all - it's the same loop all over the song plus sax samples layered on it. this is very simple beat.
and simple beats dont mean good beats ...
great rappers like tupac, nas, king T, rakim .. can make a great song over a weak and simple beat
.. dont underestimate a more complicated beat because it can bring something new to the hip hop sound
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I think there's just an overall confusion in the industry. Rappers want to be able to wear so many hats and appeal to so many demographics but everyone is kind of dipping their feet in the same pool and that doesn't always work. It's not that these beats suck, it's that they are poorly utilized. The market has tons of beat-makers and not enough producers.