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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: Javier on March 05, 2006, 08:25:09 PM
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YEAH!
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I'm surprised I haven't seen it yet. Everyone's telling be it's such a great movie. There's your ultimate proof.
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I'm really happy this won. It was by far the best movie I saw in 05.
and LMAO @ Three 6 winning. That joke Jon Stewart said was hilarious.
"Scorsese - 0. Three 6 Mafia - 1."
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Fuck Yea !!!
Crash deserved that Oscar.
LOL.. on the Jon Stewart Scorcese/36 Mafia joke... That was hilarious.
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crash is fuckin sick. its the only movie nominated for best picture that i saw so i cant really judge but it sure was oscar material. jon stewart was pretty funny at times but i wanted more bush jokes. 3-6 was tight wit their acceptance speech and it was tight that tsotsi won best foreign lanugage film for SOuth Africa. gonna watch that show next week when it comes out on my b-day march 10.
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i havnt seen any of the movies that were up for Best Picture..i think after this weekend im gonna rent em all from the library for free :)
o yea and Jon Stewart was great as host, did any1 else notice Stephen Colbert did the voice over for the Hollywood Lobbying skit? i hope Stephen talks about it durin the Repor... its good 2 see Jon hooked it up. Cant wait to watch the next Daily Show & Colbert Report, def gonna be hilarious.
fav Stewart joke: Bjork was gonna be here tonite but she got shot when she was trying on her outfit by Dick Cheney.
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it deserved it
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^ ya it really did.. that was my favorite movie i seen this last year.. the weird thing was i didnt hear about it until it came out on DVD and every1 i talked 2 about it no one really knew what movie it was
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It was a movie of white people screwing over minorities...great movie.
I really wanted to see white trash meth molesters, they were not represented... :sun:
btw fuck 3-6 Mafia they're garbage.
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btw fuck 3-6 Mafia they're garbage.
Says a Dipset fan :loser:
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it deserved it
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I don't know if all the praise was too much for me, the fact that I came from a very multicultural high school often being the only white guy in my class and discussing every topic that movie was portraying to death for years now, or because I just didn't think it was all that great. I think this movie won more for political reasons rather than quality. The same could be said most of the nominees in that category, but in this case I truly feel Crash was the worst movie out of the five nominated.
All I saw was cliché driven over-coincidences with sappy slightly over the top emotion grabbers in between, done by a white apologist and voted for by more white apologists who want to pretend that a still very racist Hollywood cares about the issues of racist America. It felt like I was watching a set of speeches that all begin with the line "Don't be racist because....". They could have accomplished this in a documentary with realistic facts. I'm willing to over look the odds of Matt Dillon running into the woman he more or less molested the night before, but I don't see why he would try so hard to save her. I don't think the movie properly focused on his redemption leading up to his choices. I don't see why Terrence Howard would just be let go by the police after the way he was acting just because Ryan Phillippe feels bad about what his partner did. I don't see why Larenz Tate would get so upset when asked why he was laughing and basically egg on the guy that picked him up just because they wanted to show that Ryan Phillippe can be racist too. And I personally would have wanted to see Luda sell the Chinese slaves and make cash so that he became everything he claims to stand against, but I'm not complaining about that. The Academy just wanted to pretend they are concerned and probably still feel a little guilty and voted for this movie because of that. Of course they also voted for the biggest black stereotype out there and had the only black people that won an award turn out to be uneducated yokels, or modern day "coons". So I guess it evens out for you Hollywood. I bet they didn't even ask 36 Mafia to dress up or to present themselves properly because they wanted them to act like that. You think when 3-6 go to church they dress and talk like that? I don't. Concerned about racism? I don't think so Hollywood.
(You can press the diss button in the corner of my post if you like, but this is truly how I feel and I'm just expressing my opinion).
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it deserved it
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I don't know if all the praise was too much for me, the fact that I came from a very multicultural high school often being the only white guy in my class and discussing every topic that movie was portraying to death for years now, or because I just didn't think it was all that great. I think this movie won more for political reasons rather than quality. The same could be said most of the nominees in that category, but in this case I truly feel Crash was the worst movie out of the five nominated.
All I saw was cliché driven over-coincidences with sappy slightly over the top emotion grabbers in between, done by a white apologist and voted for by more white apologists who want to pretend that a still very racist Hollywood cares about the issues of racist America. It felt like I was watching a set of speeches that all begin with the line "Don't be racist because....". They could have accomplished this in a documentary with realistic facts. I'm willing to over look the odds of Matt Dillon running into the woman he more or less molested the night before, but I don't see why he would try so hard to save her. I don't think the movie properly focused on his redemption leading up to his choices. I don't see why Terrence Howard would just be let go by the police after the way he was acting just because Ryan Phillippe feels bad about what his partner did. I don't see why Larenz Tate would get so upset when asked why he was laughing and basically egg on the guy that picked him up just because they wanted to show that Ryan Phillippe can be racist too. And I personally would have wanted to see Luda sell the Chinese slaves and make cash so that he became everything he claims to stand against, but I'm not complaining about that. The Academy just wanted to pretend they are concerned and probably still feel a little guilty and voted for this movie because of that. Of course they also voted for the biggest black stereotype out there and had the only black people that won an award turn out to be uneducated yokels, or modern day "coons". So I guess it evens out for you Hollywood. I bet they didn't even ask 36 Mafia to dress up or to present themselves properly because they wanted them to act like that. You think when 3-6 go to church they dress and talk like that? I don't. Concerned about racism? I don't think so Hollywood.
(You can press the diss button in the corner of my post if you like, but this is truly how I feel and I'm just expressing my opinion).
The film never tells the viewer why racism is wrong. It just shows how racism shapes people's lives, of course some parts were not entire believeable and exxaragerated but if it wasnt it would have been impossible to show that point and too damn long.
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btw fuck 3-6 Mafia they're garbage.
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I don't know if all the praise was too much for me, the fact that I came from a very multicultural high school often being the only white guy in my class and discussing every topic that movie was portraying to death for years now, or because I just didn't think it was all that great. I think this movie won more for political reasons rather than quality. The same could be said most of the nominees in that category, but in this case I truly feel Crash was the worst movie out of the five nominated.
All I saw was cliché driven over-coincidences with sappy slightly over the top emotion grabbers in between, done by a white apologist and voted for by more white apologists who want to pretend that a still very racist Hollywood cares about the issues of racist America. It felt like I was watching a set of speeches that all begin with the line "Don't be racist because....". They could have accomplished this in a documentary with realistic facts. I'm willing to over look the odds of Matt Dillon running into the woman he more or less molested the night before, but I don't see why he would try so hard to save her. I don't think the movie properly focused on his redemption leading up to his choices. I don't see why Terrence Howard would just be let go by the police after the way he was acting just because Ryan Phillippe feels bad about what his partner did. I don't see why Larenz Tate would get so upset when asked why he was laughing and basically egg on the guy that picked him up just because they wanted to show that Ryan Phillippe can be racist too. And I personally would have wanted to see Luda sell the Chinese slaves and make cash so that he became everything he claims to stand against, but I'm not complaining about that. The Academy just wanted to pretend they are concerned and probably still feel a little guilty and voted for this movie because of that. Of course they also voted for the biggest black stereotype out there and had the only black people that won an award turn out to be uneducated yokels, or modern day "coons". So I guess it evens out for you Hollywood. I bet they didn't even ask 36 Mafia to dress up or to present themselves properly because they wanted them to act like that. You think when 3-6 go to church they dress and talk like that? I don't. Concerned about racism? I don't think so Hollywood.
(You can press the diss button in the corner of my post if you like, but this is truly how I feel and I'm just expressing my opinion).
The film never tells the viewer why racism is wrong. It just shows how racism shapes people's lives, of course some parts were not entire believeable and exxaragerated but if it wasnt it would have been impossible to show that point and too damn long.
How does it not? It has a racist cop molest a black woman, a man almost shoot a girl because he thought he was a victim of racism, a not so racist cop show that he is racist by assuming a black man has a gun. This movie has a clear don't assume with out knowing message and it's a great message, I just don't think it's that great a movie. A PG version would be a great addition to any high school social studies class though. You can disagree about the quality and rightfully disagree but you can't deny it's meant as an educational film with examples with morals. Haggis has said so in plenty of interviews.
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I don't know if all the praise was too much for me, the fact that I came from a very multicultural high school often being the only white guy in my class and discussing every topic that movie was portraying to death for years now, or because I just didn't think it was all that great. I think this movie won more for political reasons rather than quality. The same could be said most of the nominees in that category, but in this case I truly feel Crash was the worst movie out of the five nominated.
All I saw was cliché driven over-coincidences with sappy slightly over the top emotion grabbers in between, done by a white apologist and voted for by more white apologists who want to pretend that a still very racist Hollywood cares about the issues of racist America. It felt like I was watching a set of speeches that all begin with the line "Don't be racist because....". They could have accomplished this in a documentary with realistic facts. I'm willing to over look the odds of Matt Dillon running into the woman he more or less molested the night before, but I don't see why he would try so hard to save her. I don't think the movie properly focused on his redemption leading up to his choices. I don't see why Terrence Howard would just be let go by the police after the way he was acting just because Ryan Phillippe feels bad about what his partner did. I don't see why Larenz Tate would get so upset when asked why he was laughing and basically egg on the guy that picked him up just because they wanted to show that Ryan Phillippe can be racist too. And I personally would have wanted to see Luda sell the Chinese slaves and make cash so that he became everything he claims to stand against, but I'm not complaining about that. The Academy just wanted to pretend they are concerned and probably still feel a little guilty and voted for this movie because of that. Of course they also voted for the biggest black stereotype out there and had the only black people that won an award turn out to be uneducated yokels, or modern day "coons". So I guess it evens out for you Hollywood. I bet they didn't even ask 36 Mafia to dress up or to present themselves properly because they wanted them to act like that. You think when 3-6 go to church they dress and talk like that? I don't. Concerned about racism? I don't think so Hollywood.
(You can press the diss button in the corner of my post if you like, but this is truly how I feel and I'm just expressing my opinion).
The film never tells the viewer why racism is wrong. It just shows how racism shapes people's lives, of course some parts were not entire believeable and exxaragerated but if it wasnt it would have been impossible to show that point and too damn long.
Exactly, it's a movie, not a documentary. It's not trying to profess truth, it's just sending out a message and of course, entertaining the audience.
As for 3-6 winning, I don't understand how they acted like yokels or coons. I thought they did a great performance and were very cool when it came to their acceptance of the award.
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thats great that crash won...i was able to see that movie in theaters back in may....by the way...who won best actor/actress and best supporting actor/actress?
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I don't know if all the praise was too much for me, the fact that I came from a very multicultural high school often being the only white guy in my class and discussing every topic that movie was portraying to death for years now, or because I just didn't think it was all that great. I think this movie won more for political reasons rather than quality. The same could be said most of the nominees in that category, but in this case I truly feel Crash was the worst movie out of the five nominated.
All I saw was cliché driven over-coincidences with sappy slightly over the top emotion grabbers in between, done by a white apologist and voted for by more white apologists who want to pretend that a still very racist Hollywood cares about the issues of racist America. It felt like I was watching a set of speeches that all begin with the line "Don't be racist because....". They could have accomplished this in a documentary with realistic facts. I'm willing to over look the odds of Matt Dillon running into the woman he more or less molested the night before, but I don't see why he would try so hard to save her. I don't think the movie properly focused on his redemption leading up to his choices. I don't see why Terrence Howard would just be let go by the police after the way he was acting just because Ryan Phillippe feels bad about what his partner did. I don't see why Larenz Tate would get so upset when asked why he was laughing and basically egg on the guy that picked him up just because they wanted to show that Ryan Phillippe can be racist too. And I personally would have wanted to see Luda sell the Chinese slaves and make cash so that he became everything he claims to stand against, but I'm not complaining about that. The Academy just wanted to pretend they are concerned and probably still feel a little guilty and voted for this movie because of that. Of course they also voted for the biggest black stereotype out there and had the only black people that won an award turn out to be uneducated yokels, or modern day "coons". So I guess it evens out for you Hollywood. I bet they didn't even ask 36 Mafia to dress up or to present themselves properly because they wanted them to act like that. You think when 3-6 go to church they dress and talk like that? I don't. Concerned about racism? I don't think so Hollywood.
(You can press the diss button in the corner of my post if you like, but this is truly how I feel and I'm just expressing my opinion).
The film never tells the viewer why racism is wrong. It just shows how racism shapes people's lives, of course some parts were not entire believeable and exxaragerated but if it wasnt it would have been impossible to show that point and too damn long.
How does it not? It has a racist cop molest a black woman, a man almost shoot a girl because he thought he was a victim of racism, a not so racist cop show that he is racist by assuming a black man has a gun. This movie has a clear don't assume with out knowing message and it's a great message, I just don't think it's that great a movie. A PG version would be a great addition to any high school social studies class though. You can disagree about the quality and rightfully disagree but you can't deny it's meant as an educational film with examples with morals. Haggis has said so in plenty of interviews.
It shows how racism affects people's lives. How we feel uncomfortable around strangers but comfortable at the same time. And no doubt that this movie will be shown in High Schools and Sociology classes. But if you didnt think it was a great movie because it was cliche driven and etc, then geez man how many movies do you think are Best Picture worthy? Two or Three in the history of films.
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i thought that the acceptance speech by 3-6 was very genuine and their attire i thought was more for the performance and becuz the award was nominated right after their performance they werent able to get changed.
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I don't think it was so genuine. I'm sure they were genuinely happy but I think they were trying to "keep it real" with the streets that they ended up looking goofy.
Javy; I didn't think it was a great movie because I didn't think it was a great movie. It was praised for it's moral stance. That's obvious. I guess it brought up a lot of issues that most people don't talk about. I do talk about these issues and have for years and nothing I saw in that movie made me think about how I act in life. For others it obviously did.
I think every movie that ever won is best picture worthy, and every movie nominated is too. I just think that this year Crash was the least deserving and I think the message overshadowed the art.
Have you seen the other 4 movies nominated?
And Sik; to me it seemed as if Three 6 were playing stereotypes. They wrote a song on pimps and drug dealers and acted like thugs. And no I don't think that is really what they are like. I know enough black people to know that too many street blacks put on a different face for the streets and when the streets is watching them then the real face they have. The face they put on when they have nothing to prove to anyone. This happens with everyone, unfortunately with blacks the only face that really gets focused on more than any other one is the degrading face of the low level blacks. Even to the point where if a black doesn't act like that he gets accused of being "white". My guess is groups like the NAACP and people like Chuck D will be much more upset about it then I could ever be.
I don't have a problem with the way they were excited. Nothing wrong with that. I didn't thimnk Cuba was "cooning" when he won a few years back, like Nas thought.
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Yeah I saw Good Night and Good Luck and A History of Violence. Between those 3, I rank A History of Violence at the top of the list then Crash and then Good Night and Good Luck. I'm interested in Capote, but not Brokeback Mountain because it's a love story, and Im not a huge fan of love stories.
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Never thought that movie had a chance at winning an oscar but its a pretty good movie. I wont see the other nominees till they come out on dvd.
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And Sik; to me it seemed as if Three 6 were playing stereotypes. They wrote a song on pimps and drug dealers and acted like thugs.
Well you do realize that the movie they did the song for was about pimps and drug dealers right?
As for how 3-6 carried themselves, I don't know them personally so I can't speak on it. In my opinion, they did just fine. Especially considering that they're ghetto as hell lol.
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And Sik; to me it seemed as if Three 6 were playing stereotypes. They wrote a song on pimps and drug dealers and acted like thugs.
Well you do realize that the movie they did the song for was about pimps and drug dealers right?
As for how 3-6 carried themselves, I don't know them personally so I can't speak on it. In my opinion, they did just fine. Especially considering that they're ghetto as hell lol.
I don't have a problem with the actual song (eventhough I could see it only being nominated because racist whites to laugh at black stereotypes). The interpretive dance didn't blend with the hip hop style performance but that's neither here nor there.
As for how they carried themselves; if I go to where they live and go to church with them on Sunday and hang out with just them afterwards and they dress up like that and speak like that a hype up everything then I'll retract what I said. Until then I'll see it as just another case of "keeping it real". I just find it odd that in a place where they tell everyone to get dressed up and stay dressed up that these guys were allowed to dress like that. Even the girl who sang the hook and played a whore in the film was dressed up and she looked fine singing that song. I don't think it would have taken anything away from the performance if they had suits on, particularly considering the interpretive dance involved. And I think they were allowed to dress up like that because who ever let them was counting on people laughing at them. I'm not upset with Three 6 because I think they are the victims in this. I think a lot of people won't say too much about it because the blacks won't go too far since they are street rappers and the whites will just pretend it wasa good fun time. If Terrence Howard had performed the song dressed like that then he'd be the victim of fury this week.
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I agree with Shallow and his opinions on the hypocricy of hollywood. It's so blindingly obvious to me I can't believe nobody else is seeing it. They don't want anybody to think *gasp* that they're racist, so they tip their hand by making a movie so blatantly made by a bunch of apologists. People like this know nothing about the 3 6 mafia. The fact that they gave them an award exposes their true intentions. They didn't award the song they liked the best, or they thought was the best, they awarded the song they thought was politically correct to award. That's fucking disgusting.
Like I said in the other thread, though, good for 3 6 mafia. They're just as talented as some of the bullshit the academy awards each year.
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I agree with Shallow
Has Hell frozen over?
I know what you mean about the song too. I could even go so far and see a bunch of older academy members just seeing the song on the ballot, snickering, and voting for it because they want to see lower class black people dance around. It's no secret how blatantly racist Hollywood used to be, and the new Hollywood really isn't doing a good job of changing that. They either think they are and are just plain idiots, or they're just as racist and want to hide it but give enough hints to let people know.
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And Sik; to me it seemed as if Three 6 were playing stereotypes. They wrote a song on pimps and drug dealers and acted like thugs.
Well you do realize that the movie they did the song for was about pimps and drug dealers right?
As for how 3-6 carried themselves, I don't know them personally so I can't speak on it. In my opinion, they did just fine. Especially considering that they're ghetto as hell lol.
I don't have a problem with the actual song (eventhough I could see it only being nominated because racist whites to laugh at black stereotypes). The interpretive dance didn't blend with the hip hop style performance but that's neither here nor there.
As for how they carried themselves; if I go to where they live and go to church with them on Sunday and hang out with just them afterwards and they dress up like that and speak like that a hype up everything then I'll retract what I said. Until then I'll see it as just another case of "keeping it real". I just find it odd that in a place where they tell everyone to get dressed up and stay dressed up that these guys were allowed to dress like that. Even the girl who sang the hook and played a whore in the film was dressed up and she looked fine singing that song. I don't think it would have taken anything away from the performance if they had suits on, particularly considering the interpretive dance involved. And I think they were allowed to dress up like that because who ever let them was counting on people laughing at them. I'm not upset with Three 6 because I think they are the victims in this. I think a lot of people won't say too much about it because the blacks won't go too far since they are street rappers and the whites will just pretend it wasa good fun time. If Terrence Howard had performed the song dressed like that then he'd be the victim of fury this week.
3-6 Mafia did dress up during the ceremony. They all had suits on. Why would they be wearing suits and tuxedos during their performance? Its not like they were walking around in jeans and t-shirts the entire time.
I feel bad for the poor academy. If they let 3-6 Mafia win, they're racist & they want to see a bunch of, in your words, low level blacks, dance around like fools. If they allow 3-6 Mafia to lose, then that means they didn't stand a chance and they nominated them just out of pity. Basically, the voters are damned if they do and damned if they don't.
To be quite honest, I think you guys are putting the stigma around african-americans moreso than the Oscars ever did.
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I wonder what you guys would have said if Brokeback Mountain would have won? Or how about Good Night and Good Luck? Or a History of Violence? Or Munich?! Guess what? All of these movies had "liberal" agendas. With Brokeback people would have complained about the gay side about it, if Good Night and Good Luck people would have complained about the Iraq comparisons, if A History of Violence would have won, people would have complained about the effect of violence has in America. How about Munich? LOL. Please, give it a rest.
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History of Violence wasn't nominated.
Anyway, it's the agenda that bothers me. Good Night and Good Luck could have won because of an anti-conservative agenda and I wouldn't care because I think it was good enough to win. Capote could have won because of a pro-gay agenda and I wouldn't say a word because I'd feel it's good enough to win. I think Crash was below all the othere movies nominated and I feel the agenda got it nominated in the first place. I don't think it was that good a movie. BRokeback was with out a doubt pushed because it was pro-gay and if it were a straight cowbay going up to the mountains to cheat on his wife with a native american. black, or just some white girl it probably wouldn't have gotten any buzz but I would still think it's a brilliant movie and if it won I'd say nothing, gay or not gay. I didn't like Crash as much as everyone else did and do not think for a moment it was the best picture. But that's just my opinion. I just want to clarify that the politics are not what upset me.
And Sik; to me it seemed as if Three 6 were playing stereotypes. They wrote a song on pimps and drug dealers and acted like thugs.
Well you do realize that the movie they did the song for was about pimps and drug dealers right?
As for how 3-6 carried themselves, I don't know them personally so I can't speak on it. In my opinion, they did just fine. Especially considering that they're ghetto as hell lol.
I don't have a problem with the actual song (eventhough I could see it only being nominated because racist whites to laugh at black stereotypes). The interpretive dance didn't blend with the hip hop style performance but that's neither here nor there.
As for how they carried themselves; if I go to where they live and go to church with them on Sunday and hang out with just them afterwards and they dress up like that and speak like that a hype up everything then I'll retract what I said. Until then I'll see it as just another case of "keeping it real". I just find it odd that in a place where they tell everyone to get dressed up and stay dressed up that these guys were allowed to dress like that. Even the girl who sang the hook and played a whore in the film was dressed up and she looked fine singing that song. I don't think it would have taken anything away from the performance if they had suits on, particularly considering the interpretive dance involved. And I think they were allowed to dress up like that because who ever let them was counting on people laughing at them. I'm not upset with Three 6 because I think they are the victims in this. I think a lot of people won't say too much about it because the blacks won't go too far since they are street rappers and the whites will just pretend it wasa good fun time. If Terrence Howard had performed the song dressed like that then he'd be the victim of fury this week.
3-6 Mafia did dress up during the ceremony. They all had suits on. Why would they be wearing suits and tuxedos during their performance? Its not like they were walking around in jeans and t-shirts the entire time.
I feel bad for the poor academy. If they let 3-6 Mafia win, they're racist & they want to see a bunch of, in your words, low level blacks, dance around like fools. If they allow 3-6 Mafia to lose, then that means they didn't stand a chance and they nominated them just out of pity. Basically, the voters are damned if they do and damned if they don't.
To be quite honest, I think you guys are putting the stigma around african-americans moreso than the Oscars ever did.
Maybe I am wrong, and maybe I sound like a member of the Nation but I find it a little too convenient that the award for best song would be present just after Three 6 performed and not given enough time to change even if they wanted to. I also don't see why the street clothes were needed in the first place. Taraji P. Henson played a whore and she dressed up nice. The interpretive dance took away any sense of the real streets anyway. Basically, I think the Academy set it up the way they did on purpose and I think Three 6 spends too much time trying to stay "gangsta". I could be wrong. We'll just have to agree to disagree.
I still think they looked like idiots for not presenting themselves a little better, but that's just how I feel about formal settings. If a gay flamer shows up at something like the Oscars and pulls the whole "Hellooooooooo. Oh My GOD! You look Fahbulous!", or a southern white guy shows up with his "uh hyuk, uh hyuk" I see it as people who know how to act properly but choose to defy the norm for either the sake of defying the norm or to appease the people they know that may be watching. I'd say the same thing if Jessica Simpson won an Oscar and she played the dumb blonde role.
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Films that deserve to win so often never do. Why even bring up the politics? This is just another case, in your opinion, of a film that didn't deserve to win Best Picture. How many times has this happen over the years?
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I wonder what you guys would have said if Brokeback Mountain would have won? Or how about Good Night and Good Luck? Or a History of Violence? Or Munich?! Guess what? All of these movies had "liberal" agendas. With Brokeback people would have complained about the gay side about it, if Good Night and Good Luck people would have complained about the Iraq comparisons, if A History of Violence would have won, people would have complained about the effect of violence has in America. How about Munich? LOL. Please, give it a rest.
I really think there's an intelligence gap here. You're just not seeing what we're talking about. Here's another 'how about' for your scenario. How about they nominate something that doesn't have a liberal political agenda? GASP now THERE'S a concept. I don't mind that some of them did. That's only the law of averages. This year, though, you've got all the top films nominated that are basically political. They nominate their OWN MOVIES, it's the biggest bunch of bullshit ever. They're elitists, and have nothing to do with your average american. They don't ride around listening to 3 6 mafia. They think they're doing 36 mafia a favor by giving them an award, since god only knows they couldn't win one on their own. Since they're not racist, though, they don't mind helping negroes out.
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It's stupid of you complaining about one movie when your beef is with the Academy itself.
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I'm so happy it won. Its one of the few best pictures that I actually really enjoyed myself.
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Well I think the idea of making 3-6 mafia perform last so that they didn't have the time to change their clothes to accept their award is very far out. I'd take their acceptance speeches over some wanna-be intellectual asshole acting like the Oscar is equivalent to the Nobel Peace Prize anytime also. Like you said, we gotta agree to disagree.
As for the movies, I wanna know what other movies should of been nominated since those films obviously were not good enough and basically nominated for their political influence?
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No one is saying they had to give a reserved speech in old english. I just think they looked like clowns, and I think that because I feel they acted like that on purpose and act like that on purpose to appease the streets. Walk into the ghetto and ask about women's rights to a single person with no one else around (I've done this) and more often than not you'll get a reasonable intelligent real answer. Bring it up later when every one else is around and you'll hear something along the lines of "she's got the right to suck my dick" more often than not. That's the way the streets make people act stupid. Of course you can apply this to any group for various topics but in this case with Three 6 it was the streets.
However, if I were to find out that they really don't know better and were taught like this by even their families then I take everything I said about them back. I'm not trying to insult them by calling them stupid. I just they they are stupid for faking it like that.
And I never said none of the movies deserved to be there. I think they all should have been there, except Crash. In it's place I would have put Walk The Line. Javy's praise of History of Violence makes me want to watch it again so I'll let you know if I think that should be there.
P.S. There is nothing wrong with realizing the importance of an Oscar and treating it with high regard like some "wanna-be intellectual asshole". The Oscar is very important. The award itself may not be, but the desire to win it is. That desire is what makes directors spend year after year trying to perfect their craft and art to been recognized and we as fans benefit because we get the best movies out of it. Very few make music to win a grammy because most of the real artists think the award is a joke and if they felt that it truly stood for the best album then I'd bet artists would try extra hard to make the best albums they could and we'd all be better off as fans.
Films that deserve to win so often never do. Why even bring up the politics? This is just another case, in your opinion, of a film that didn't deserve to win Best Picture. How many times has this happen over the years?
In MY this is one of the only times I feel a film that didn't deserve to be there won the Oscar. I have no problem with politics driving a movie if I think the movie is good enough. In this case, I don't Crash was good enough to be there.
I never called you guys idiots for liking Crash or stated that the Oscars have become a joke since it won. This isn't the Grammys. My first post was based on my opinion on the movie and how I think it was overrated and that it was because of it's morals. Morals are great but they don't make a movie great, and in my opinion that movie wasn't Oscar great. I feel the same movie teaching the message like making it seem like racism is a good thing, with the exact same cinematography, acting, directing, and production would have been thrown out the window by everyone that saw it. If Brokeback or Capote were the same movies buit had a story where the character concludes that homosexuality is wrong and turns his back on it then I'd feel the same about those two movies. If Good Night and Good Luck praised McCarthy's views and made Murrow look like a clown I'd still think it's Oscar worthy, if the movie was as good. I realize the liberal academy wouldn't have voted for those movies if they did have those messages, but that is not my point. My point was what I of the movieand how good I thought it was. It's just my opinion.
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It's stupid of you complaining about one movie when your beef is with the Academy itself.
I'm not complaining about 1 movie. I'm complaining about the Academy.
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Just say so then and dont say this "They don't want anybody to think *gasp* that they're racist, so they tip their hand by making a movie so blatantly made by a bunch of apologists. " Right here you're bitching about Crash, dont even mention Crash just bitch at what's so incredibly obvious with the Academy
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No one is saying they had to give a reserved speech in old english. I just think they looked like clowns, and I think that because I feel they acted like that on purpose and act like that on purpose to appease the streets. Walk into the ghetto and ask about women's rights to a single person with no one else around (I've done this) and more often than not you'll get a reasonable intelligent real answer. Bring it up later when every one else is around and you'll hear something along the lines of "she's got the right to suck my dick" more often than not. That's the way the streets make people act stupid. Of course you can apply this to any group for various topics but in this case with Three 6 it was the streets.
The fact that people act differently when they're one-on-one and when they're in a group is no mystery. It happens with all groups of people from all walks of life so I don't know what your point is by mentioning that.
But hey, you're probably right. Who doesn't go accept an award and thank the people who supported them? Maybe I need to watch their acceptance again, because nothing really comes to mind where the group made me cringe out of their stupdity. I just remember those guys being really excited and surprised.
Walk The Line was a really great film and I agree it deserved to be nominated. In my opinion though, Crash was much better than Walk The Line. I can't determine if Walk The Line was better than Capote or Brokeback Mountain, because I didn't see those 2 films, but I think Good Night, Good Luck and Munich were both better movies too.
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Who dissed me and why? Because I didn't like Crash that much?
The fact that people act differently when they're one-on-one and when they're in a group is no mystery. It happens with all groups of people from all walks of life so I don't know what your point is by mentioning that.
I know it happens to all people in all walks of life, and I even said that, but as I also said in the case we are discussing it's the streets and being "street" and not being "white". That's the way it came across to me anyway.
But hey, you're probably right. Who doesn't go accept an award and thank the people who supported them? Maybe I need to watch their acceptance again, because nothing really comes to mind where the group made me cringe out of their stupdity. I just remember those guys being really excited and surprised.
For me they didn't come across as artists. THey came across as 3 Flava Flaves, and I've always been more a Chuck D guy than a Flava Flave guy. But that's just me.
Walk The Line was a really great film and I agree it deserved to be nominated. In my opinion though, Crash was much better than Walk The Line. I can't determine if Walk The Line was better than Capote or Brokeback Mountain, because I didn't see those 2 films, but I think Good Night, Good Luck and Munich were both better movies too.
Okay you think Crash was better than Walk The Line and I think Walk The Line was better. It's not the end of the World. If Walk The Line was nominated instead and it won and there was a thread praising it and you jumped in and said it was good but overrated and said Crash should have been there in stead I wouldn't have minded. I would have debated to get my point across but I wouldn't have thought less of you or tried to insult (not that I think you were insulting me).
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I didn't diss you, lol.
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I didn't diss you, lol.
I wasn't accusing anyone and thanks for the prop (if it was you).
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Okay you think Crash was better than Walk The Line and I think Walk The Line was better. It's not the end of the World. If Walk The Line was nominated instead and it won and there was a thread praising it and you jumped in and said it was good but overrated and said Crash should have been there in stead I wouldn't have minded. I would have debated to get my point across but I wouldn't have thought less of you or tried to insult (not that I think you were insulting me).
If you thought Crash shouldn't of won because it was overrated, then that's fine. You didn't say that though. You turned it into a political agenda by Hollywood in order to make them not look racist. I just dont see how that's logical or how that benefits their industry. They would continue to make billions regardless of what movie won best picture, and we all know that's Hollywoods main concern: the money.
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Okay you think Crash was better than Walk The Line and I think Walk The Line was better. It's not the end of the World. If Walk The Line was nominated instead and it won and there was a thread praising it and you jumped in and said it was good but overrated and said Crash should have been there in stead I wouldn't have minded. I would have debated to get my point across but I wouldn't have thought less of you or tried to insult (not that I think you were insulting me).
If you thought Crash shouldn't of won because it was overrated, then that's fine. You didn't say that though. You turned it into a political agenda by Hollywood in order to make them not look racist. I just dont see how that's logical or how that benefits their industry. They would continue to make billions regardless of what movie won best picture, and we all know that's Hollywoods main concern: the money.
My very first post on this was about how I thought it wasn't that good a movie. I used politics as a way to justify why it was there. I knew from the beginning that either Crash or Brokeback was going to win; from when they started showing the montage about Hollywood rising above the times and hearing Clooney mention how they gave Hattie McDaniel an award while the rest of America wouldn't blacks in the front door. Whjat he didn't mention was how Hattie was the first black even invited to the Oscars and that same year he had to no show her film's openning due to racism in Hollywood. Hollywood wants to pretend that they are better than they are and they did it again with Crash. If I thought Crash was god enough I wouldn't have complained. I'd still say it was politics but I'd also say it still deserved it anyway.
And the Oscars were never so much about money. Hollywood certainly is but the Oscars are more about what's good, or what they think is good. Whoever they give the award to won't affect how many people watch Narnia, and Narnia wasn't nominated. 40 Year Old Virgin made more than any film nominated Sunday Night and you won't see that nominated. Hollywood is about money, but it's also about tooting it's own horn, and this time they did it by showing off their passion for equality.
Watch the show again if you can and you'll notice there are two agendas; Hollywood is the forerunner of humanity in America and don't download or pirate movies because they are only good on the big screen. There were several videos and slip ins from award winners and presenters that showed this.
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if hollywood was TRYING to be politically correct, i think they would have awarded broke back mountain the award. i don't mean to sound "hollywood" here but racial politics in entertainment are "so 5 years ago"
crash won because it was the best picture out of all the nominees
IMO:
brokeback didn't win because a) it wasn't as moving or as powerful as it could have been
capote didn't win becuase it was a one man show really, i though it was pretty boring
good night and good luck didn't win because it was the weakest film in the category ( i felt walk the line should have been in it's spot)
munich didn't win because for some reason i've seen this movie somewhere else a few years back...
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i didnt see the other movies nominated (other than munich) so i cant say, but i loved crash.
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and another thing that pisses me off is when people say something is cliche, everything is cliche, even the most original ideas, form around the most 'cliche' ideas.
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and another thing that pisses me off is when people say something is cliche, everything is cliche, even the most original ideas, form around the most 'cliche' ideas.
There are several meanings to the world cliche. I didn't meean it so much in the sense that the situations had been done before. I meant that the situations in my opinion were trite and predictable. While that could be said for many movies, I particularly didn't like the way they were done in Crash. Like I said before I felt that Haggis wanted to express ideals without creating proper means to the ends he wanted us to see. I saw no reason why Matt Dillon would risk his own life to save the woman he humiliated the night before. I didn't see Matt even want to repent for his actions or even understand why a cop so passionate about saving peoples lives would harras a couple the way he did. Now if that couple were walking in an alley and he confused her for a prostitute I could find it a tad more believable. I can get why Ryan Phillipe would jump for his gun but I don't get why Larenz Tate's character who was built as the reasonable one would get so defensive and upset and approach the man who is doing him a favour with such hostility. That's just a couple of many things that rubbed me the wrong way about that movie. It doesn't come off as realistic to me, and for a movie that is praised for its reality I can't overlook that. That's how I feel on the movie, and like I told Sik and Javy, it is perfectly okay for you to feel different. It doesn't mean I think you don't get it. It just means we felt two different things while watching hte same movie.
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I can understand how a lot of people criticize it, saying it's "racism for dummies," but i really think it's the film of the year