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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: JTSimon on February 17, 2004, 08:22:59 PM
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http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/02/17/usa.haiti.ap/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/02/17/usa.haiti.ap/index.html)
The White House, meanwhile, said it was up to the Haitian people to decide whether embattled President Jean-Bertrand Aristide should remain in power.
No Operation Haitian Freedom? ::)
"We cannot buy into the proposition that the elected president must be forced out of office by thugs and those who do not respect the law," Powell said.
^Sounds like American troops.
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Yeah I know I'm posting here...eat a nut.
7-even needs some anti-American backup ;D
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U MISTAKENLY THINK SOMEBODY GIVS A SHIT
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U MISTAKENLY THINK SOMEBODY GIVS A SHIT
I took a 3 week vacation like you....my mentor ;D
lol but I wasn't chased out.
Good job at ignoring the post.
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Haiti isnt in Israel's neighbourhood
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Haiti isnt in Israel's neighbourhood
;D ;D ;D Or sitting on black gold.
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Haiti isnt in Israel's neighbourhood
;D ;D ;D Or sitting on black gold.
both so true. so in our governments minds, it don't exist.
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Haiti isnt in Israel's neighbourhood
;D ;D ;D Or sitting on black gold.
both so true. so in our governments minds, it don't exist.
If it doesn't exist then how could they be commenting on it you filthy, gypsy half breed.
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http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=589&u=/ap/20040219/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/us_aristide&printer=1
WASHINGTON - The Bush administration said Thursday it would send a military team to Haiti to assess the security of the U.S. Embassy there, but stressed that it is still looking for a political solution to the bloody uprising against President Jean-Bertrand Aristide.
Secretary of State Colin Powell (news - web sites) said the United States and other countries will offer a proposal to Aristide and opposition leaders for ending the political crisis in that county.
"I think if they will both accept this plan and start executing on it, we might find a way through this crisis politically," Powell said in an interview with ABC Radio's "Live in America" program.
The Pentagon (news - web sites) announcement that a small number of military personnel was being sent to Haiti came as Aristide declared he was "ready to give my life" to defend Haiti, indicating he was not prepared to give up power.
Powell said there is a "solid consensus" on the Haitian issue among the United States, the Organization of American States, the United Nations (news - web sites), France and Canada. He said the international community must do what it can to help Aristide in his capacity as Haiti's elected leader.
Earlier this week, Powell said the United States was reluctant to send military personnel to Haiti to help resolve the bloody uprising. At the Pentagon, spokesman Lawrence DiRita told reporters that U.S. Ambassador James Foley had requested the military team.
The military team is expected to consist of three or four experts from U.S. Southern Command, the military command with authority over the Caribbean, Pentagon spokesman Di Rita told reporters at a press conference. DiRita said the team will assess threats to the U.S. Embassy and its personnel.
Senior military and Bush administration officials have said there is no plans to resolve the rebellion in Haiti through the use of military force.
"There remains a lot of interest in resolving this matter politically," Di Rita said.
Powell gave no details of the plan except to say that it does not contemplate Aristide's stepping down before his term ends in Feb. 2006.
But he said the United States would not object if, as part of a negotiation with opposition leaders, Aristide agreed to leave ahead of schedule.
"He is the president for some time to come yet. You know, if an agreement is reached that moves that in another direction, that's fine," Powell said.
He reaffirmed that the United States is opposed to any solution that violates democratic or constitutional norms.
The United States helped Aristide claim his place as president a decade ago. But American officials have become disillusioned with his rule and are debating internally what to do about it.
Publicly, the United States resists the notion of forcibly removing Aristide. Privately, the Bush administration is exploring options for helping foster a peaceful switch of leaders in Haiti without undercutting democratic rule.
Aristide upped the ante Wednesday by turning aside one U.S. suggestion: early elections that could appease his political opponents. He wants to serve until his five-year term expires in February 2006.
The United States has not clearly said it will refuse to recognize a successor to Aristide who takes over through coup or ouster, experts point out. Days ago, Powell had said that a change in leadership in Haiti was not an option. He also said earlier that the United States was not inclined to intervene to help Aristide maintain a grip on power.
Morons...
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http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=589&u=/ap/20040219/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/us_aristide&printer=1
WASHINGTON - The Bush administration said Thursday it would send a military team to Haiti to assess the security of the U.S. Embassy there, but stressed that it is still looking for a political solution to the bloody uprising against President Jean-Bertrand Aristide.
Secretary of State Colin Powell (news - web sites) said the United States and other countries will offer a proposal to Aristide and opposition leaders for ending the political crisis in that county.
"I think if they will both accept this plan and start executing on it, we might find a way through this crisis politically," Powell said in an interview with ABC Radio's "Live in America" program.
The Pentagon (news - web sites) announcement that a small number of military personnel was being sent to Haiti came as Aristide declared he was "ready to give my life" to defend Haiti, indicating he was not prepared to give up power.
Powell said there is a "solid consensus" on the Haitian issue among the United States, the Organization of American States, the United Nations (news - web sites), France and Canada. He said the international community must do what it can to help Aristide in his capacity as Haiti's elected leader.
Earlier this week, Powell said the United States was reluctant to send military personnel to Haiti to help resolve the bloody uprising. At the Pentagon, spokesman Lawrence DiRita told reporters that U.S. Ambassador James Foley had requested the military team.
The military team is expected to consist of three or four experts from U.S. Southern Command, the military command with authority over the Caribbean, Pentagon spokesman Di Rita told reporters at a press conference. DiRita said the team will assess threats to the U.S. Embassy and its personnel.
Senior military and Bush administration officials have said there is no plans to resolve the rebellion in Haiti through the use of military force.
"There remains a lot of interest in resolving this matter politically," Di Rita said.
Powell gave no details of the plan except to say that it does not contemplate Aristide's stepping down before his term ends in Feb. 2006.
But he said the United States would not object if, as part of a negotiation with opposition leaders, Aristide agreed to leave ahead of schedule.
"He is the president for some time to come yet. You know, if an agreement is reached that moves that in another direction, that's fine," Powell said.
He reaffirmed that the United States is opposed to any solution that violates democratic or constitutional norms.
The United States helped Aristide claim his place as president a decade ago. But American officials have become disillusioned with his rule and are debating internally what to do about it.
Publicly, the United States resists the notion of forcibly removing Aristide. Privately, the Bush administration is exploring options for helping foster a peaceful switch of leaders in Haiti without undercutting democratic rule.
Aristide upped the ante Wednesday by turning aside one U.S. suggestion: early elections that could appease his political opponents. He wants to serve until his five-year term expires in February 2006.
The United States has not clearly said it will refuse to recognize a successor to Aristide who takes over through coup or ouster, experts point out. Days ago, Powell had said that a change in leadership in Haiti was not an option. He also said earlier that the United States was not inclined to intervene to help Aristide maintain a grip on power.
Morons...
Suck a dick, bitch, trick ;D
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both so true. so in our governments minds, it don't exist.
If it doesn't exist then how could they be commenting on it you filthy, gypsy half breed.
Half breed, no need for name calling, state your point and prove me wrong. But for reals, no economical gain, then we would put our effort in it. Chuuuuch
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u got played max
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u got played max
Senior military and Bush administration officials have said there is no plans to resolve the rebellion in Haiti through the use of military force.
How did I get played...Operation Haiti Freedom is not in the works.
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Maxi-pad is Always getting played...
If we were to send troops, he'd be yapping about "Why does america think it's the worlds police?"
If we don't sent troops its because: "We only care about oil"
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50 U.S. Marines head to embassy in Haiti
(CNN) -- A team of 50 U.S. Marines is en route to Haiti in response to a security request from the U.S. Ambassador to Haiti, Pentagon officials told CNN Monday.
The Marines have been sent to the embassy in Port-au-Prince to secure the compound as rebels continue to make advances in that country.
Pentagon sources said the elite contingent of Marines does not portend a large-scale military intervention in Haiti, but instead is intended solely to ensure the safety of embassy personnel.
The soldiers, trained in counterterrorism, would add to a Marine security detachment already based at the embassy. They are part of a Fleet Anti-Terrorism Support Team, known as a "FAST" team. These troops are trained for missions such as securing the Navy's fleet as well as embassies when security becomes an issue.
This past weekend, the U.S. State Department ordered the departure of all family members and nonemergency personnel from the U.S. Embassy in Port-au-Prince.
"We decided it is essential to take out nonessential personnel until the situation is more stable," a senior State Department official said.
The United States has issued a travel warning telling American citizens it is unsafe to remain in Haiti and to leave while commercial flights are still available.
The U.S. Embassy was shut Monday, a spokeswoman said from her home. All staff were urged to remain at home, she said.
Meanwhile, Haiti's government sent reinforcements to Cap Haitien after rebels seeking to oust President Jean-Bertrand Aristide moved into the country's second-largest city Sunday, storming police headquarters and freeing prisoners.
A government source told CNN the rebels had withdrawn from Cap Haitien by Sunday evening, but witnesses and journalists said gunfire could still be heard around the city.
Aristide told a crowd at a celebration in Port-au-Prince that additional police would be sent to Cap Haitien, on the northern coast.
The government source said the reinforcements were on their way Sunday afternoon.
With a population of about 500,000, Cap Haitien is the Aristide government's last stronghold in northern Haiti.
Walter Eussenius, owner of the Mont Joli Hotel in Cap Haitien, said rebels moved into the city about 10 a.m. Sunday.
"The population is terrorized and the city is completely surrounded," Eussenius told CNN in a telephone interview. Machine gun fire could be heard in the background as he spoke.
Eussenius said he drove three miles to the airport and was told that rebels had taken over the facility and tried to hijack an airplane.
The account backed up a Dominican pilot, who said men armed with machetes boarded a plane in Cap Haitien and forced the pilot to fly to Port-au-Prince.
"We called one of our managers from over there who says there was shooting and the airport is closed," said the pilot, Ricardo Faustela. "So right now we are not flying, and we don't know what is happening."
The Red Cross estimates more than 50 people have been killed since the rebellion erupted February 5 in the city of Gonaives. The rebels say Aristide's government is corrupt and are calling for new elections.
Aristide's supporters set up roadblocks and barricades Sunday on the road between Gonaives and Bon Repos, where a large group of heavily armed men attacked a police station Saturday night.
Police said a civilian was killed and an officer was grazed in the head with a bullet. Bon Repos residents said the incursion was the first in the town, which is on the outskirts of Port-au-Prince.
Sunday's violence came the morning after an international delegation left Haiti, having failed to persuade Aristide's political opposition to agree to a U.S.-backed power-sharing plan to resolve the tensions.
Aristide had agreed to the plan, but the opposition said it would accept nothing short of his resignation.
The international envoys told reporters Saturday they had given Haiti's political opposition until 5 p.m. Monday to accept or reject the plan.
The proposal calls for the appointment of a new prime minister acceptable to both sides, a bipartisan Cabinet, new elections to be overseen by international observers and the disarming of militias.
Aristide, a former priest, has faced criticism since an election in 2000 that observers called fraudulent.
Opposition parties accuse his supporters of using violence to intimidate them. He has said repeatedly that he will not willingly step aside until his term of office expires in 2006.
The situation has prompted U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan to decide to appoint a special adviser to Haiti.
Nearly 40,000 Haitians fled the country after a 1991 coup that ousted Aristide, who was restored to power in 1994 after U.S. military intervention.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/americas/02/23/haiti.revolt/index.html
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The Marines have been sent to the embassy in Port-au-Prince to secure the compound as rebels continue to make advances in that country.
lol...they are saving themselves ;D Krayzie-Eyez Killah are you actually reading the articles?
Then
Sept. 30, 1991 -- The army overthrows Aristide's government, forcing the president into exile in the United States.
Sept. 19, 1994 -- U.S. troops intervene to restore Aristide to power.
Now
The White House, meanwhile, said it was up to the Haitian people to decide whether embattled President Jean-Bertrand Aristide should remain in power.
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You got your ass handed to you repeatedly and you keep coming back...
You keep talking about how we are such bullies and we won't send troops to Hati. What did we do? SENT TROOPS TO HATI. So it may be to secure our interests, is that wrong?
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You got your ass handed to you repeatedly and you keep coming back...
You keep talking about how we are such bullies and we won't send troops to Hati. What did we do? SENT TROOPS TO HATI. So it may be to secure our interests, is that wrong?
lol protecting US Diplomats in Haiti is really helping the Haitian people...go fucking milk a cow moron.
Even if American does decide to send thousands of troops to keep their puppet in power...look at the f-ing date of this thread...while your checking the date read the title again idiot.
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So what I'm getting out of this thread is that you think the US should send it's military when there is a domestic problem in a country...
That's some SMART thinking there.
And what does the date of a thread have to do with your stupidity?
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So what I'm getting out of this thread is that you think the US should send it's military when there is a domestic problem in a country...
That's some SMART thinking there.
And what does the date of a thread have to do with your stupidity?
lol your a fucking bum with no absolute knowledge of history.
Date of thread has to do with the flip flop decisions made by US government.
Recent events in Haitian history:
Dec. 16, 1990 -- Jean-Bertrand Aristide becomes Haiti's first democratically elected president after nearly 30 years of dictatorship under the Duvalier family.
Sept. 30, 1991 -- The army overthrows Aristide's government, forcing the president into exile in the United States.
Sept. 19, 1994 -- U.S. troops intervene to restore Aristide to power.
Feb. 6, 1995 -- Aristide disbands the Haitian army and replaces it with a civilian police force.
Dec. 23, 1995 -- Rene Preval, Aristide's protege, elected president. Term limit prohibits Aristide from running.
May 21, 2000 -- Aristide's Lavalas Family party sweeps legislative elections that observers say were flawed. The international community puts millions in foreign aid on hold until results are revised.
Nov. 26, 2000 -- Aristide wins a second term as president in elections boycotted by major opposition parties who claimed fraud in the legislative elections.
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Last week = Whining that Bush won't help Haiti because there is no oil there.
Today = Whining that Bush will send troops because he's trying to take over the world.
Next week = New country, same scenario.
Lather, rinse, repeat.
Random points:
-So you're blaming us for interviening back then, and blaming us for not doing anything now? Ha!
-Call me crazy, but wasn't CLINTON in charge of shit back in the day!?! Hey, forget all that... Blame Bush! It's his bad!
-Where is France in this situation and how come you're not on their case?
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Last week = Whining that Bush won't help Haiti because there is no oil there.
Today = Whining that Bush will send troops because he's trying to take over the world.
Next week = New country, same scenario.
Lather, rinse, repeat.
Random points:
-So you're blaming us for interviening back then, and blaming us for not doing anything now? Ha!
-Call me crazy, but wasn't CLINTON in charge of shit back in the day!?! Hey, forget all that... Blame Bush! It's his bad!
-Where is France in this situation and how come you're not on their case?
First I'm Anti-American government[foreign policy] second Anti-Bush administration[pure hate]...get that straight Joe.
America kept that crooked leader in charge.
1492
Christopher Columbus lands on the island that became known as Hispaniola. It was originally inhabited by the Taino-Arawak Indians, who referred to their home as "Hayti" or mountainous land.
1697
Spanish control over the colony ends with the Treaty of Ryswick, which divides the island into French-controlled St. Domingue and Spanish Santo Domingo. The island is prized by the European powers for its natural resources, including cocoa, cotton and sugar cane and the French ship in thousands of slaves, mainly from West Africa, to harvest the crops.
1804
After a slave rebellion led by a Jamaican-born Boukman in 1791, Haiti becomes the first black independent state under General Jean-Jacques Dessalines, who declares himself emperor.
1844
After three decades of strife and multiple rulers, the island splits into two nations, Haiti and the Dominican Republic.
1862
After decades of delay, fearing that it would inspire its own slaves, the United States grants Haiti diplomatic recognition. In 1889, noted abolitionist Frederick Douglass becomes the U.S. Consul-General.
1915
U.S. Marines occupy Haiti to calm a state of anarchy. The Americans improve the infrastructure while helping to create the Haitian armed forces.
1934
The United States pulls out of Haiti. But the nation remains torn by tension between the wealthier French-speaking mulatto minority and the overwhelming majority of impoverished black Creole speakers.
1957
Francois "Papa Doc" Duvalier becomes leader, declaring himself president for life in 1964 and ruling through terror perpetrated by his notorious street gangs known as the "Tontons Macoutes."
1971
Jean-Claude Duvalier, known as "Baby Doc" becomes president at the age of 19, succeeding his father who dies in office.
1986
As anti-government protests gather steam, the United States arranges exile in France for "Baby Doc" and his family. He is succeeded by General Henri Namphy.
1990
A charismatic priest from the slums, Jean-Bertrand Aristide, wins a U.N.-organized presidential election, gaining more than 67 percent of the vote.
1991
Aristide is ousted in a military coup and is forced to seek exile in the United States. The coup sparks a mass exodus with more than 40,000 Haitians rescued by the U.S. Coast Guard during a 12-month period.
1994
After several abortive efforts to restore democracy, the United States leads an international force into Haiti, forcing the military rulers to step down. A month later, Aristide returns as president to Port-au-Prince.
1996
Rene Preval becomes president as Aristide is precluded by the Constitution from succeeding himself.
2000
Municipal and legislative elections end in disarray because of a flawed vote count, alleged irregularities and fraud charges. The controversy triggers a boycott of the presidential elections later that year, won by Aristide.
2004
The crisis sparked by the allegedly fraudulent election deepens amid a failure of international mediation efforts, a foundering economy and growing political violence. A few weeks after the nation celebrates its 200th anniversary in January, a rebel movement seizes control of a number of towns in an uprising that poses a formidable threat to the Aristide government.
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First I'm Anti-American government[foreign policy] second Anti-Bush administration[pure hate]...get that straight Joe.
America kept that crooked leader in charge.
http://www.wellexcusemeprincess.com/