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Title: lyrically ross >>> jeezy
Post by: Sir Petey on June 19, 2011, 02:46:42 PM
its true listen to ross 3rd verse on usual suspects ft. nas...jeezy never spit anything that clever in his whole career.


some ppl speculate ti writes for ross


and say what u want about ross being a fraud or whatever but at least applaud him for bringing live instrumentation back to gangsta rap...cats was all doing the lil john synths and trap drums for like the past damn ten years...ross is one of the best beat pickers in the game...he makes sure everything he raps on sounds HUGE.
Title: Re: lyrically ross >>> jeezy
Post by: OG Jaydc on June 19, 2011, 03:17:44 PM
I disagree. Jeezy isn't the best technical rapper but he has a gift of saying more with less. Certain rappers can get away with it, Hes one of them. Ross just bores me.
Title: Re: lyrically ross >>> jeezy
Post by: Blood$ on June 19, 2011, 03:27:55 PM
Ross only recently became lyrically better than Jeezy in 2009-2010

but that new tape Jeezy dropped is still ridin', maybe even more than that MMG comp but then again most of that was already leaked for months
Title: Re: lyrically ross >>> jeezy
Post by: Invincible on June 19, 2011, 03:58:59 PM
Is this a serious thread? Feels very random.
Title: Re: lyrically ross >>> jeezy
Post by: Blood$ on June 19, 2011, 04:00:26 PM
Is this a serious thread? Feels very random.

how is this random?
Title: Re: lyrically ross >>> jeezy
Post by: Invincible on June 19, 2011, 04:06:25 PM
Is this a serious thread? Feels very random.

how is this random?

Jeezy hasn't been relevant for about 3 years now. Also a discussion about Jeezy lyrically has never come up.
Title: Re: lyrically ross >>> jeezy
Post by: Sir Petey on June 19, 2011, 06:26:46 PM
Is this a serious thread? Feels very random.

how is this random?

Jeezy hasn't been relevant for about 3 years now. Also a discussion about Jeezy lyrically has never come up.

ur probably right ive never heard anyone applaud jeezy for lyrics...i like jeezy and the new tape goes hard but ross got it locked now.

king of the south: ricky ross the boss

ti fell off, scarface retired...whos left?
Title: Re: lyrically ross >>> jeezy
Post by: Chamillitary Click on June 19, 2011, 06:36:27 PM
I agree if before Ross you put "Most paraplegics".

Both are complete ass.
Title: Re: lyrically ross >>> jeezy
Post by: Sir Petey on June 19, 2011, 08:08:49 PM
he may not be  a pharoe monch, royce technical type of rapper but hes more then capable of putting together clever wordplay thats more then i can say for alot of cats in rap right now.


i just dont understand how rappers like ross and even wayne can be on some drop it like its hot/room 222 elementary shit for multiple albums then one day wake up and have all these similies and rhyme patterns at their disposal...shits crazy.
Title: Re: lyrically ross >>> jeezy
Post by: K.Dub on June 19, 2011, 10:39:34 PM
So what if he "has an ear for beats", he sucks at rapping. So one dimensional.
Title: Re: lyrically ross >>> jeezy
Post by: Sir Petey on June 19, 2011, 10:53:05 PM
not to cause an uproar but ricky is rapping rings around guys like snoop right now...the guy has some damn clever wordplay on his last couple albums.

maybe the shit hes saying isnt put out there to uplift the youth but you cant deny hes got a certain way with words...each album he seems to get a little better.

in that respect he IS like biggie...he aint really talkin about shit but the way he does it is fly as hell.
Title: Re: lyrically ross >>> jeezy
Post by: K.Dub on June 19, 2011, 11:02:01 PM
Well, the whole world know Snoop is not on top of his game now so saying that doesn't mean shit really.
Title: Re: lyrically ross >>> jeezy
Post by: SCREWFACE on June 19, 2011, 11:10:47 PM
yall are a bunch of haters. if some whacked out  mc like canibus or kurrupt spit the same lyrics yall would be creaming over it, dont lie.
Title: Re: lyrically ross >>> jeezy
Post by: Sir Petey on June 19, 2011, 11:23:31 PM
Well, the whole world know Snoop is not on top of his game now so saying that doesn't mean shit really.


ross right now is rapping better then snoop has his whole career.


his beats been delicate since dre shoook the speezot.
Title: Re: lyrically ross >>> jeezy
Post by: OG Jaydc on June 20, 2011, 06:14:48 AM
Ross just isn't interesting. None of his albums are impressive. And I don't know how you can be the king when he's never seen a platinum plaque in his life. As for improved wordplay, I'm betting, Ghostwriters
Title: Re: lyrically ross >>> jeezy
Post by: Blood$ on June 20, 2011, 08:12:59 AM
Ross just isn't interesting. None of his albums are impressive. And I don't know how you can be the king when he's never seen a platinum plaque in his life. As for improved wordplay, I'm betting, Ghostwriters

only his first album touched platinum, the rest went gold

yall are a bunch of haters. if some whacked out  mc like canibus or kurrupt spit the same lyrics yall would be creaming over it, dont lie.

LOL for real, Radiotube pointed this out awhile back... one day we should make a thread with one of Ross' verses and just not say it was him and see how many people say it's hot until we reveal the rapper
Title: Re: lyrically ross >>> jeezy
Post by: OG Jaydc on June 20, 2011, 08:47:20 AM
Port of Miami went gold, not platinum.
Title: Re: lyrically ross >>> jeezy
Post by: Blood$ on June 20, 2011, 08:50:30 AM
yeah you're right, I swore I heard it sold over a mill before but then I went to Google  8)

I'm surprised Ross doesn't have at least a platinum plaque for his first or most recent album though because of the monster singles they had
Title: Re: lyrically ross >>> jeezy
Post by: Sir Petey on June 20, 2011, 11:01:04 AM
who else got a movement?

who else is in a position to sign new talent and build a roster?

in this age having a bunch of gold albums under your belt is quite an accomplishment.
Title: Re: lyrically ross >>> jeezy
Post by: Chamillitary Click on June 20, 2011, 11:03:34 AM
lol, he's wack beyond the verses. Even if you posted a decent verse lyrically, he couldn't spit it dope with his simplistic ass flow.

I have no reason to hate on Ross if he were any good. He's just wack.
Title: Re: lyrically ross >>> jeezy
Post by: Sir Petey on June 20, 2011, 11:16:10 AM
no one hated ross more then i did...NO ONE

something happened around the deeper then rap era...i noticed his beats got ill and his lyrics and wordplay had improved exponentially, by the time teflon don cameout i couldnt front on ricky ross anymore...his beat selection and  constantly improving wordplay had won me over as a fan.

Title: Re: lyrically ross >>> jeezy
Post by: OG Jaydc on June 20, 2011, 11:45:20 AM
Ever since bmf he's remade that song about 37 times
Title: Re: lyrically ross >>> jeezy
Post by: Sir Petey on June 20, 2011, 11:57:38 AM
that is true...not a fan of his crunk endevours.


leave that shit to waka flockka and them he sounds right over those mafioso movie score sounding type of beats...

Title: Re: lyrically ross >>> jeezy
Post by: OG Jaydc on June 20, 2011, 12:19:37 PM
And mmg is a movement alright. A bowel movement. When wale is your big signing, your labels going nowhere. I give that label about 3 releases before they lose distribution
Title: Re: lyrically ross >>> jeezy
Post by: Sir Petey on June 20, 2011, 04:36:19 PM
i admit its a shaky situation...i think wale on mmg is a good look he deperately needed some edge so he wouldnt look like some happy hipster ass motherfucker.

self made hasnt moved many units thus far but did have some good songs on it.


MMG > grand hustle
Title: Re: lyrically ross >>> jeezy
Post by: OG Jaydc on June 20, 2011, 04:42:06 PM
Until mmg can release an artist as successful as b.o.b., let alone t.i. grand hustle > mmg. Grand hustle released a solid b.g. Album and recently a solid killer mike album. Killer mike is slept on.

I like wale don't get me wrong, I own attention defecit, but dudes never gonna push gold.
Title: Re: lyrically ross >>> jeezy
Post by: Sir Petey on June 20, 2011, 04:49:22 PM
if gaga couldnt push him to gold/plat status it probably aint gonna happen lol


i forgot mike bigga is on gh...thats a good look. I though BG left gh? said the buisness was fucked up.

yung la is wack as fuck.


they say dmx is gonna sign to maybach...i wonder what that could do for the label.
Title: Re: lyrically ross >>> jeezy
Post by: OG Jaydc on June 20, 2011, 04:54:45 PM
That'd be weird to hear dmx on a lex Luger beat lol. Though I gave up on x a long time ago, his last album was trash. Would love to see him back though

Bg isn't on it anymore.

Yung la got dropped right before he did all that dumb shit lol.

Big kuntry kings album was decent, he's pretty much just a jeezy clone.

Young dro was dope, so was his album. Thought he wa going to be big but they still haven't released his second album
Title: Re: lyrically ross >>> jeezy
Post by: Sir Petey on June 20, 2011, 04:57:58 PM
i used to ride for dro but he fell off when he started doing the white boy swag thing with yung la...he rubbed off on him it seemed.


never could get into a kuntry king song

id like to hear dmx on some inkredibles and justice league production...that would be ill.
Title: Re: lyrically ross >>> jeezy
Post by: theremedy360 on June 20, 2011, 05:36:36 PM
Ross has never blown me away but definitely isn't as bad as some people say he is. Saying he's better than Jeezy ain't really saying a whole lot though lol
Title: Re: lyrically ross >>> jeezy
Post by: Chamillitary Click on June 20, 2011, 10:11:45 PM
No disrespect to you guys, but so far I haven't heard a name of a dope rapper in this thread.

Ross, Jeezy, Dro, Yung LA, Big Kuntry, BG, T.I. lol. The best name in hear is probably Killer Mike.
Title: Re: lyrically ross >>> jeezy
Post by: Blood$ on June 20, 2011, 10:17:51 PM
something happened around the deeper then rap era...i noticed his beats got ill and his lyrics and wordplay had improved exponentially, by the time teflon don cameout i couldnt front on ricky ross anymore...his beat selection and  constantly improving wordplay had won me over as a fan.

+1, you hit the nail right on the head

although I didn't hate him before that really, I copped Port Of Miami but didn't like Trilla other than a few tracks

Cham how you gonna say B.G. isn't dope cuz that's all dude does  :P
Title: Re: lyrically ross >>> jeezy
Post by: bouli77 on June 21, 2011, 01:48:16 AM
No disrespect to you guys, but so far I haven't heard a name of a dope rapper in this thread.

Ross, Jeezy, Dro, Yung LA, Big Kuntry, BG, T.I. lol. The best name in hear is probably Killer Mike.

Really ?? B.G. & T.I. both put out dope albums in my book (and pretty much everyone else's).

Agreed 'bout Ross. I really liked his Deeper Than Rap effort to bring back melodic rap to the forefront. I'm not a fan of his but he can be pretty entertaining. having a simplistic flow isn't necessarily a bad thing IMO.
Title: Re: lyrically ross >>> jeezy
Post by: Chamillitary Click on June 21, 2011, 10:25:01 AM
They just aren't good rappers.
Title: Re: lyrically ross >>> jeezy
Post by: bouli77 on June 21, 2011, 10:42:53 AM
What's a good rapper for you ??
Title: Re: lyrically ross >>> jeezy
Post by: OG Jaydc on June 21, 2011, 10:46:38 AM
They just aren't good rappers.

From what perspective? If you don't like thier lyrics, fine but T.I. can rap in anyway from a technical standpoint. His flow blows most rappers out of the water.

And killer mike is like the southern ice cube... Older ice cube.
Title: Re: lyrically ross >>> jeezy
Post by: Sir Petey on June 21, 2011, 11:39:36 AM
yeah i gotta give TI his props...that dude can RAP.


hes got rhyme patterns for days but hes still a dumb ass...he was on top of the game when paper trail came out no mercy was ennnnh.
Title: Re: lyrically ross >>> jeezy
Post by: Al Bundy on June 21, 2011, 11:46:20 AM
ross has been putting out quality music for a minute now. not really concerned with him trying to be the best rapper ever because i'd rather just enjoy the music instead of dissecting it.
Title: Re: lyrically ross >>> jeezy
Post by: SCREWFACE on June 21, 2011, 01:07:39 PM
They just aren't good rappers.

just because a rapper doesnt do the whole lyrical myrical spherical bullshit doesnt mean they are wack. unless youre some narrow minded kid i guess, oh wait..........  :-X
Title: Re: lyrically ross >>> jeezy
Post by: Sir Petey on June 21, 2011, 01:16:17 PM
thems fightin words
Title: Re: lyrically ross >>> jeezy
Post by: dubsmith_nz on June 21, 2011, 02:54:14 PM
Jeezy is as real as it gets, Ross is a fraud. Both aren't lyrical rappers but I'd take jeezy over Ross because like someone said he can say more with less. Lol @ Ross been king of the south, ATM that clearly belongs to Wayne or tip.
Title: Re: lyrically ross >>> jeezy
Post by: Sir Petey on June 21, 2011, 03:30:10 PM
wayne maybe but not ti...he took himself out of this conversation.


wayne is aiite but hes so pop right now...
Title: Re: lyrically ross >>> jeezy
Post by: bouli77 on June 21, 2011, 03:36:23 PM
luda is up there too... people sleep on luda cause he's not as "hard" and ubiquitous are the aforementioned rappers but he really is a well rounded rapper that has had a good streak of hits.
Title: Re: lyrically ross >>> jeezy
Post by: OG Jaydc on June 21, 2011, 03:38:38 PM
wayne maybe but not ti...he took himself out of this conversation.


wayne is aiite but hes so pop right now...

I disagree. An album like no mercy which flopped for tis standards still went gold, which is the best Ross has ever done lol. And until mmg can put out a successful artist Ross ain't shit as a bawse
Title: Re: lyrically ross >>> jeezy
Post by: Sir Petey on June 21, 2011, 04:18:38 PM
wayne maybe but not ti...he took himself out of this conversation.


wayne is aiite but hes so pop right now...

I disagree. An album like no mercy which flopped for tis standards still went gold, which is the best Ross has ever done lol. And until mmg can put out a successful artist Ross ain't shit as a bawse

some think that tis last album sold strickly off the guest spots. (eminem)
Title: Re: lyrically ross >>> jeezy
Post by: Jay Bananas on June 21, 2011, 05:14:27 PM
Ross is way more talented than Clifford.
Not to say TI doesnt have an interesting verse every now and them but Rawsy Bawsy has his own stye.
"Making love to the angel of death" - tip wouldnt drop lines like that.

Jeezy is about as lyrically talented as elano.
Title: Re: lyrically ross >>> jeezy
Post by: Chamillitary Click on June 21, 2011, 06:17:16 PM
T.I. is a solid rapper, who used to be much better.

To place him among "good" rappers is pushing it.
Title: Re: lyrically ross >>> jeezy
Post by: Sir Petey on June 21, 2011, 06:17:25 PM
who knows in his native tounge elano might be able to rip a hot ass  16
Title: Re: lyrically ross >>> jeezy
Post by: dubsmith_nz on June 22, 2011, 03:34:35 AM
T.I. is a solid rapper, who used to be much better.

To place him among "good" rappers is pushing it.

I gotta disagree with you 100% on that, Tip is definitely a top tier rapper, he spit some crazy verses in his time and can cater to the pop market "My Love" and the hood "Rubber Band Man". Tip gets too much hate.

Luda also should definitely get a mention, consistently drops hits and sells well, and always kills guest features. I don't really dig his style too much myself but you gotta recognise his talent
Title: Re: lyrically ross >>> jeezy
Post by: Blood$ on June 22, 2011, 09:49:58 AM
T.I. is a solid rapper, who used to be much better.

To place him among "good" rappers is pushing it.

I gotta disagree with you 100% on that, Tip is definitely a top tier rapper, he spit some crazy verses in his time and can cater to the pop market "My Love" and the hood "Rubber Band Man". Tip gets too much hate.

Luda also should definitely get a mention, consistently drops hits and sells well, and always kills guest features. I don't really dig his style too much myself but you gotta recognise his talent

T.I. and Ludacris are definitely good rappers that don't deserve any sort of hate whatsoever, but both of their last albums sucked ass and that's a fact, but it was their labels to blame

Teflon Don > No Mercy and Battle Of The Sexes and if anybody disagrees then I guess you just prefer vagina music

wayne maybe but not ti...he took himself out of this conversation.


wayne is aiite but hes so pop right now...

I disagree. An album like no mercy which flopped for tis standards still went gold, which is the best Ross has ever done lol. And until mmg can put out a successful artist Ross ain't shit as a bawse

some think that tis last album sold strickly off the guest spots. (eminem)

and don't forget Christina Aguilera
Title: Re: lyrically ross >>> jeezy
Post by: Chamillitary Click on June 22, 2011, 10:40:01 AM
I don't think there is one rapper in the mainstream I would consider "top tier". Not even Eminem anymore.

EDIT: With that being said, I'm still a fan of a lot of mainstream rappers; probably more than most. But I can separate the underground from mainstream.
Title: Re: lyrically ross >>> jeezy
Post by: Triple OG Rapsodie on June 23, 2011, 09:48:23 PM
what is this thread, the who's who of southern mediocrity? You want hot shit from the south? Little Brother, Cunninlynguists, Jay Electronica, Outkast, Big Krit are better than anyone mentioned thus far.
Title: Re: lyrically ross >>> jeezy
Post by: SCREWFACE on June 24, 2011, 09:21:19 AM
what is this thread, the who's who of southern mediocrity? You want hot shit from the south? Little Brother, Cunninlynguists, Jay Electronica, Outkast, Big Krit are better than anyone mentioned thus far.

you want hot shit from the south? you want backpacker approved acts with no southern sounding identity? (oh and outkast and big krit)

the NY/west/bay bias against the south is really fucking sad
Title: Re: lyrically ross >>> jeezy
Post by: SCREWFACE on June 24, 2011, 09:23:58 AM
you may as well call preemo a southern artist cause of where he is from if u want to add all those guys from the list

theyre from the south, but they sure as hell aint 'southern rappers' because they (jay, little brother + cunning) pretty much just make NY rap. so lets not joke
Title: Re: lyrically ross >>> jeezy
Post by: Greenbrigade on June 24, 2011, 09:36:08 AM
Not really a fan of any of them but i like some of ross' latest stuff
Title: Re: lyrically ross >>> jeezy
Post by: westside4life on June 24, 2011, 09:41:23 AM
jeezy shits on rozay
Title: Re: lyrically ross >>> jeezy
Post by: Sir Petey on June 24, 2011, 10:49:52 AM
what is this thread, the who's who of southern mediocrity? You want hot shit from the south? Little Brother, Cunninlynguists, Jay Electronica, Outkast, Big Krit are better than anyone mentioned thus far.



little brother disbanded, cunninglynguists is stale lately, jay electronica is scared to even try and big krit has room to grow...im talking about niggas with albums and labels and crews and shit.


little brother is one of the GOAT southern groups though and krit WILL be a problem.
Title: Re: lyrically ross >>> jeezy
Post by: westside4life on June 24, 2011, 11:32:53 AM
you may as well call preemo a southern artist cause of where he is from if u want to add all those guys from the list

theyre from the south, but they sure as hell aint 'southern rappers' because they (jay, little brother + cunning) pretty much just make NY rap. so lets not joke
wait so just cuz a rapper from the south doesnt have that trap sound they aren't southern rappers?? you stupid as hell for that one theyre making HIP HOP theyre rappers from the south so they are southern rappers
Title: Re: lyrically ross >>> jeezy
Post by: BiggBoogaBiff on June 24, 2011, 12:19:04 PM
Little Brother was always boring and had boring production.  9th was cool but he could've done better.  1 of the most overrated groups ever.


Jay Electronica wasn't shit but hot air and "exzibit c" was so dry and i could never understand the hype around that song (maybe i guess it was becuz he was going against the southern stereotype at that time but it was still wack and I NEVER heard anybody play that song).  Dude was the rapper that never was and frankly people who give Jay Electronica props but shit on anybody else (no matter who) have issues.  Literally 1 of the most overrated rappers ever.


Cunnilyngist - never listened to em but since i've never heard of em outside of this forum and maybe AHH (i think smh) and that MTV2 commerical that says alot about who they really are in real life and where they stand up against other rappers/groups.


Big K.R.I.T is my man




as far as Ross vs. Jeezy.... hmmm.... Jeezy started this trap shit just like NWA started this gangsta shit (i know some ppl are gonna say Schooly D but to me he was a little different) so to knock Jeezy is like to knock Moses.  And as far as Ross goes I think Ross carved out a place in Hip Hop history.  But lyrically and I'm trying to be fair with this but it's Ross allday.  Anybody who calls Ross nothing but a beat just honestly hasn't listened to a Rick Ross album and that's just tha truth.  If Ross would've came out with this type of music in the 80's or the 90's or even early 2000's (excluding that Trina record) then Ross' whole career would've been undisputed by anybody.
Title: Re: lyrically ross >>> jeezy
Post by: OG Jaydc on June 24, 2011, 12:23:04 PM
I listen to all those artists, hell I introduced most people on Dubcc to big krit by making a thread stating he was the next pimp c.I only did that to get attention to him as if I made a thread proclaiming big krit is dope people would ignore him. But now I see him mentioned all the time on this forum.

And ALL  those artists are dope. I have tons of favorite bg songs. It just depends on the mood I'm in. Sometimes I want lyrical backpack shit sometimes I want some trap music. Music is music and it's all subjective.

And screwface has a point. You might as well say man drumma boy ain't dope if you want hot southern production listento premo. Premo, lb and the like don't make southern music. Every region has a sound and being from there doesn't mean you have to make that music but thiers a big difference between someone who makes southern music and someone who happened to be born there. The same way the west or east have distinctive sounds. Jay elec makes eastcoast hip hop he just happens to be from the south. So I'm not going to listen to him if I want some dirty south I'm going to listen to him when I want done eastcoast shit.listening to jay elec when I want a hot southern act is like listening to black eyed peas when I want some westcoast shit
Title: Re: lyrically ross >>> jeezy
Post by: OG Jaydc on June 24, 2011, 12:26:38 PM
And spice aren't you always bagging on crooked I because he hadn't proven he can make a good album but yet your biggin up jay who releases like one song a year?
Title: Re: lyrically ross >>> jeezy
Post by: OG Jaydc on June 24, 2011, 12:30:37 PM
People sleep on fiend way too much. He's an amazing hook artist, making many songs on no limit great songs. And he consistently drops good albums. His last mixtape and his work with currensy and such is top notch. His tennis shoes and tuxedos tape was smooth shit.

He also dropped a dope album with 3 6, Arthur knows what I'm talking about.

Id take him over 80 percent of south acts, he's versatile as fuck from a music stand point
Title: Re: lyrically ross >>> jeezy
Post by: Sir Petey on June 24, 2011, 12:40:10 PM
so true...fiend is dope as fuck id love to hear a whole album with him and mystikal.
Title: Re: lyrically ross >>> jeezy
Post by: Sir Petey on June 24, 2011, 12:42:30 PM
ghetto mafia and hitman sammy sam was the first southern rappers to ever talk about "the trap" and do "trap beats"

Title: Re: lyrically ross >>> jeezy
Post by: Blood$ on June 24, 2011, 12:48:01 PM
It just depends on the mood I'm in. Sometimes I want lyrical backpack shit sometimes I want some trap music. Music is music and it's all subjective.

AMEN

Title: Re: lyrically ross >>> jeezy
Post by: Blood$ on June 24, 2011, 12:49:12 PM
And spice aren't you always bagging on crooked I because he hadn't proven he can make a good album but yet your biggin up jay who releases like one song a year?

here's his response already: "one Jay Electronica song a year > Crooked I's HHWs"  :P
Title: Re: lyrically ross >>> jeezy
Post by: OG Jaydc on June 24, 2011, 12:55:12 PM
so true...fiend is dope as fuck id love to hear a whole album with him and mystikal.

No limit had tons of filler but if you sift through it thiers some genuinely amazing music.

Where is mystikal I'm waiting on an album now that he's out
Title: Re: lyrically ross >>> jeezy
Post by: Sir Petey on June 24, 2011, 12:59:12 PM
so true...fiend is dope as fuck id love to hear a whole album with him and mystikal.

No limit had tons of filler but if you sift through it thiers some genuinely amazing music.

Where is mystikal I'm waiting on an album now that he's out

absolutely...c murders life or death is constantly in my cd rotation the 2nd album by tru is one of the rawest southern rap albums ever.
Title: Re: lyrically ross >>> jeezy
Post by: OG Jaydc on June 24, 2011, 01:01:43 PM
I stil regularly bump silkk- charge it 2 da game, c murder- life or death, master p - ghetto d, fiend-thiers one in every family, mystikal - ghetto fabulous and Mac-shell shocked
Title: Re: lyrically ross >>> jeezy
Post by: BiggBoogaBiff on June 24, 2011, 01:19:22 PM
ghetto mafia and hitman sammy sam was the first southern rappers to ever talk about "the trap" and do "trap beats"


i forgot all about Hitman Sammy Sam lol.  He had that 1 song that came out a few years ago too. 
Title: Re: lyrically ross >>> jeezy
Post by: Sir Petey on June 24, 2011, 01:35:22 PM
before sammy sam did step daddy he was one of the realest d boy/rappers to come out of atlanta ever



and @jaydc mystikals doing a whole album with manny fresh supposedly
Title: Re: lyrically ross >>> jeezy
Post by: BiggBoogaBiff on June 24, 2011, 01:41:09 PM
before sammy sam did step daddy he was one of the realest d boy/rappers to come out of atlanta ever



and mystikals doing a whole album with manny fresh supposedly


let me find out u know some shit Petey lol


that Mystikal album will be the shit if they focus on the music more than the brands
Title: Re: lyrically ross >>> jeezy
Post by: SCREWFACE on June 25, 2011, 01:48:48 AM
you may as well call preemo a southern artist cause of where he is from if u want to add all those guys from the list

theyre from the south, but they sure as hell aint 'southern rappers' because they (jay, little brother + cunning) pretty much just make NY rap. so lets not joke
wait so just cuz a rapper from the south doesnt have that trap sound they aren't southern rappers?? you stupid as hell for that one theyre making HIP HOP theyre rappers from the south so they are southern rappers

ok so they are southern rappers thats cool. but they make NY rap

e: im actually a fan of them all but i listen to them when i wanna hear some ny shit, because they dont sound like they are from the south at all, and thats what i mean
Title: Re: lyrically ross >>> jeezy
Post by: Triple OG Rapsodie on June 25, 2011, 02:17:00 AM
what is this thread, the who's who of southern mediocrity? You want hot shit from the south? Little Brother, Cunninlynguists, Jay Electronica, Outkast, Big Krit are better than anyone mentioned thus far.

you want hot shit from the south? you want backpacker approved acts with no southern sounding identity? (oh and outkast and big krit)

the NY/west/bay bias against the south is really fucking sad

What the fuck is a southern identity?
Title: Re: lyrically ross >>> jeezy
Post by: Triple OG Rapsodie on June 25, 2011, 02:21:33 AM
what is this thread, the who's who of southern mediocrity? You want hot shit from the south? Little Brother, Cunninlynguists, Jay Electronica, Outkast, Big Krit are better than anyone mentioned thus far.



little brother disbanded, cunninglynguists is stale lately, jay electronica is scared to even try and big krit has room to grow...im talking about niggas with albums and labels and crews and shit.


little brother is one of the GOAT southern groups though and krit WILL be a problem.


Cunninlynguists dropped one of the best albums of the year, as well as Kno's solo being the best album last year. What are you smoking? As far as "niggas with albums" they are one of the best things going not only for the south but for hip hop period right now. Sure as fuck beats talking about a mediocre rapper who hasn't released an album in 3 years (read jeezy).
Title: Re: lyrically ross >>> jeezy
Post by: Triple OG Rapsodie on June 25, 2011, 02:39:32 AM
And screwface has a point. You might as well say man drumma boy ain't dope if you want hot southern production listento premo. Premo, lb and the like don't make southern music. Every region has a sound and being from there doesn't mean you have to make that music but thiers a big difference between someone who makes southern music and someone who happened to be born there. The same way the west or east have distinctive sounds. Jay elec makes eastcoast hip hop he just happens to be from the south. So I'm not going to listen to him if I want some dirty south I'm going to listen to him when I want done eastcoast shit.listening to jay elec when I want a hot southern act is like listening to black eyed peas when I want some westcoast shit

This is one of the stupidest posts ever. Why is this the only music genre where regions are associated with sounds? Hip hop retards make it so.

How is Jay Electronica making east coast hip hop? The nigga sounds like no one else out. His whole buzz came from the fact he was doing creative ass shit that sounded like nothing else out. Oh wait, it must be because he's not a halfass rapper over trap beats. I get it. Any rapper with talent doing shit that sounds different from the norm must be doing "east coast music"  ::)

Stupid opinions like yours is the reason the west coast is dead. Clear Channel can flood the airwaves with one style of song for a couple years and suddenly you have idiots thinking that's what it means to be from a coast. Thanks for being the cause of our watered down music, asshole.

Title: Re: lyrically ross >>> jeezy
Post by: SCREWFACE on June 25, 2011, 05:20:13 AM
what is this thread, the who's who of southern mediocrity? You want hot shit from the south? Little Brother, Cunninlynguists, Jay Electronica, Outkast, Big Krit are better than anyone mentioned thus far.

you want hot shit from the south? you want backpacker approved acts with no southern sounding identity? (oh and outkast and big krit)

the NY/west/bay bias against the south is really fucking sad

What the fuck is a southern identity?

you REALLY dont notice that they make east coast music????
Title: Re: lyrically ross >>> jeezy
Post by: Blood$ on June 25, 2011, 09:16:53 AM
what is this thread, the who's who of southern mediocrity? You want hot shit from the south? Little Brother, Cunninlynguists, Jay Electronica, Outkast, Big Krit are better than anyone mentioned thus far.

you want hot shit from the south? you want backpacker approved acts with no southern sounding identity? (oh and outkast and big krit)

the NY/west/bay bias against the south is really fucking sad

What the fuck is a southern identity?

you REALLY dont notice that they make east coast music????

he does but admitting so defeats the purpose of his trolling
Title: Re: lyrically ross >>> jeezy
Post by: OG Jaydc on June 25, 2011, 10:19:09 AM
LOL@ denying the existence of regional sounds they exist in ALL forms of music. Go down to new Orleans and go tell some jazz musicians or any for that matter thier a bunch of idiots who have watered down thier region and that a new Orleans sound doesn't exist. See how fast you get run out of town. Thanks for proving your an idiot.

Also thanks for proving your bias for eastcoast and bias against southern music with this line " Any rapper with talent doing shit that sounds different from the norm must be doing "east coast music" "
Title: Re: lyrically ross >>> jeezy
Post by: Blood$ on June 25, 2011, 10:25:18 AM
word I was gonna bring up how rock had all different regions in the beginning too (New Orleans, Texas, San Francisco, etc.) but thank God somebody else was thinking logically too lol
Title: Re: lyrically ross >>> jeezy
Post by: SCREWFACE on June 25, 2011, 10:40:18 AM
youd think someone repping THE BAY would understand the idea of regional hip-hop lol
Title: Re: lyrically ross >>> jeezy
Post by: Triple OG Rapsodie on June 25, 2011, 11:40:25 AM
LOL@ denying the existence of regional sounds they exist in ALL forms of music. Go down to new Orleans and go tell some jazz musicians or any for that matter thier a bunch of idiots who have watered down thier region and that a new Orleans sound doesn't exist. See how fast you get run out of town. Thanks for proving your an idiot.

Also thanks for proving your bias for eastcoast and bias against southern music with this line " Any rapper with talent doing shit that sounds different from the norm must be doing "east coast music" "

Jazz is an entire music genre, genius. Not the defining sound of New Orleans.

You are the reason hip hop is dead. To you cornballs southern music is trap, west coast music is g funk, and the east coast sound is....well apparently any nigga that has skills and doesn't rap over g funk or trap beats.

You know why New York has never been accused of being watered down? Because idiotic fans don't pigeonhole them into one sound. Nas is east coast. Wu Tang is east coast. 50 Cent is east coast. And they also have completely different styles. You hip hop nerds need to stop pigeonholing west coast and east coast into single generic sounds.

Title: Re: lyrically ross >>> jeezy
Post by: Triple OG Rapsodie on June 25, 2011, 11:45:09 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5X6ad9zqBCU

btw someone please tell me how this is an east coast sound? Southern rappers sampling a famous southern musician and rapping about the south. Fuck outta here with that. You nerds like to label anything that isn't trap or g funk as east coast.
Title: Re: lyrically ross >>> jeezy
Post by: Chamillitary Click on June 25, 2011, 04:41:02 PM
Spice does have a point when he says people assume all Southern music is trap & all West is G-Funk.

But trap music sucks. Even if I lived that lifestyle, it still wouldn't appeal to me. It's just slow ass, simple ass music.
Title: Re: lyrically ross >>> jeezy
Post by: OG Jaydc on June 26, 2011, 01:02:23 AM
I don't know if your purposely being dense or just don't know how to read.


I said go to new Orleans and tell some jazz musicians...

I didn't say only new Orleans has jazz nor did I say it isn't a genre. I frankly can't believe your actually this dumb.

You said only rap music gets the regional sound labels when it CLEARLY isnt. If you followed any music OTHER then rap you would know this. Like I said go to new Orleans talk to some of the local jazz musicians and tell them that thier is no such thing as a regional sound. You will literally be laughed out of the area.Tell them thier is no such thing as southern jazz, that it's all the same.

Go to Nashville and talk to some country musicians and tell them  they have no regional sound.

I'm guessing you only listen to rap and have never travelled outside your own state.
Title: Re: lyrically ross >>> jeezy
Post by: OG Jaydc on June 26, 2011, 01:09:47 AM
Spice does have a point when he says people assume all Southern music is trap & all West is G-Funk.

But trap music sucks. Even if I lived that lifestyle, it still wouldn't appeal to me. It's just slow ass, simple ass music.

The man is denying the existence of regional sounds lmao. He doesn't have a leg to stand on in this conversation.He wants to come off as intelligent but in this thread he's coming out like an idiot. I literally have never seen a person try to deny the fact regions have a sound before.

Dude is just butthurt that when people think of westcoast they think of g funk and they don't think of the mediocre underground artists he listens to.Same goes with every region.

Title: Re: lyrically ross >>> jeezy
Post by: Chamillitary Click on June 26, 2011, 01:22:30 AM
I'm not agreeing. He's certainly wrong in denying regional sounds. However, when people are saying Little Brother & CunninLynguists aren't really Southern because they don't make the same sounding music as Ross or Jeezy that's crazy.

Wayne, Luda, Jeezy & Little Brother are all Southern artists; all with different style. But I wouldn't say Jeezy sticks to what Southern music "should" sound like. Basically my point, no artist "should" have to sound like any other artist from a region to be considered more or less an artist of that region.
Title: Re: lyrically ross >>> jeezy
Post by: bouli77 on June 26, 2011, 03:45:28 AM
so true...fiend is dope as fuck id love to hear a whole album with him and mystikal.

No limit had tons of filler but if you sift through it thiers some genuinely amazing music.

Where is mystikal I'm waiting on an album now that he's out

absolutely...c murders life or death is constantly in my cd rotation the 2nd album by tru is one of the rawest southern rap albums ever.

which TRU album are you talking about ? TRUE or TRU 2 Da Game ? 'cause a lot of people don't include Who's Da Killer (or even Understanding the criminal mind for that matter) when dealing with TRU, so it's hard to know what albums people are talking about. True is a classic to me, never really felt Tru 2 Da Game, but that's because i'm not really into bounce music.

Quote from: Chamillitary Click, literally.
I'm not agreeing. He's certainly wrong in denying regional sounds. However, when people are saying Little Brother & CunninLynguists aren't really Southern because they don't make the same sounding music as Ross or Jeezy that's crazy.

Wayne, Luda, Jeezy & Little Brother are all Southern artists; all with different style. But I wouldn't say Jeezy sticks to what Southern music "should" sound like. Basically my point, no artist "should" have to sound like any other artist from a region to be considered more or less an artist of that region.

agreed.