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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Connection => Topic started by: Sccit on December 27, 2023, 09:54:31 PM
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https://www.billboard.com/lists/best-rap-producers-all-time-hip-hop/
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where's Daz on the list?
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where's Daz on the list?
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where's Daz on the list?
Daz has never gotten the respect he deserves from the mainstream, despite all the work he has done with 2Pac and Snoop.
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Daz has never gotten the respect he deserves from the mainstream, despite all the work he has done with 2Pac and Snoop.
yeah I think Billboard is going by the charts which is what they are all about...the hits
regardless Quik at 13 and Kanye at 2 there is something seriously wrong with that
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yeah I think Billboard is going by the charts which is what they are all about...the hits
regardless Quik at 13 and Kanye at 2 there is something seriously wrong with that
I know there are a lot of Quik fanatics at the forum, I'm not one of them. I'm a fan of DJ Quik and grew up on his music, but I put Daz ahead of Quik.
You want proof that Daz is better?
1. Both were on Death Row in their prime when Pac was on the label and Pac was equally cool with Quik and with Daz, and Suge was equally cool with Quik and Daz—so All Eyez On Me was as fair of a producer competition as you are going to get. Now, who ended up with more bangers and classics on All Eyez On Me? Daz.
Of course, Quik mixed the album, but as for production credits--Daz proved at that time that he was a better producer than Quik.
2. Murder was the Case. Quik and Daz had fair competition to get tracks on that album and who ended up with more bangers?
3. My last proof is that Quik never produced an album as great as Dogg Food in all his years.
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Daz should be on the list
also Alchemist, Havoc and a few others
about the only thing I agree with Billboard is Dre at 1
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where's Daz on the list?
warren g & battlecat
but billboard is known for their bullshit
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I know there are a lot of Quik fanatics at the forum, I'm not one of them. I'm a fan of DJ Quik and grew up on his music, but I put Daz ahead of Quik.
You want proof that Daz is better?
1. Both were on Death Row in their prime when Pac was on the label and Pac was equally cool with Quik and with Daz, and Suge was equally cool with Quik and Daz—so All Eyez On Me was as fair of a producer competition as you are going to get. Now, who ended up with more bangers and classics on All Eyez On Me? Daz.
Of course, Quik mixed the album, but as for production credits--Daz proved at that time that he was a better producer than Quik.
2. Murder was the Case. Quik and Daz had fair competition to get tracks on that album and who ended up with more bangers?
3. My last proof is that Quik never produced an album as great as Dogg Food in all his years.
dre ghost produced dogg food
quik ghost produced a lot of all eyez on me
suge was trying to bill daz as the next great producer and he did it by giving him solo credit on beats he produced together with others
daz is a good producer but he has not been able to replicate that sound without dre, quik, soopafly, mike dean etc
these are producers who are experts at the technical aspect of production.. layering, structure, sonic mastery, etc .. this is something daz never excelled in, making him better as a teammate, which is why his name ain’t up there
if he became a production team with soopafly and they were known as daz & soopafly, perhaps he’d be up there wit the neptunes
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if he became a production team with soopafly and they were known as daz & soopafly, perhaps he’d be up there wit the neptunes
well you got a point there I mean he was pretty much teamed with Dre in his early prime and then in his later prime like RRGB era Soopafly was around for a lot of that and they pretty much were a team. Soopafly shares a lot of the credits on RRGB and that era of Daz music
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A good overall list, which of course everyone could bump some producer up or down. I would think the criteria Billboard goes by is Billboard hits … but that doesnt tally up. Timbo has produced more hits than Kanye and Swizz but yet he was at 9, behind both.
DJ Quik vs Daz is a good debate. Could go either way. From a Billboard hits perspective, I think Quik would win.
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ok, guys, you just kiddin with daz, but where is dj muggs?!
6-7 times platinum
world wide known hits.
he made hits for house of pain, ice cube, xzibit, dr dre.
he worked different styles (trip hop, rap, dnb, rock).
made albums, compilations, OSTs, mixtapes.
he is active since the 80s!
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A good overall list, which of course everyone could bump some producer up or down. I would think the criteria Billboard goes by is Billboard hits … but that doesnt tally up. Timbo has produced more hits than Kanye and Swizz but yet he was at 9, behind both.
DJ Quik vs Daz is a good debate. Could go either way. From a Billboard hits perspective, I think Quik would win.
swizz over timbo is a joke no matter how u slice it
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A good overall list, which of course everyone could bump some producer up or down. I would think the criteria Billboard goes by is Billboard hits … but that doesnt tally up. Timbo has produced more hits than Kanye and Swizz but yet he was at 9, behind both.
DJ Quik vs Daz is a good debate. Could go either way. From a Billboard hits perspective, I think Quik would win.
like you said Timbo has many more hits if we are going by Billboards criteria...not to mention he is a better producer which they don't take into account
swizz over timbo is a joke no matter how u slice it
exactlyok, guys, you just kiddin with daz, but where is dj muggs?!
6-7 times platinum
world wide known hits.
he made hits for house of pain, ice cube, xzibit, dr dre.
he worked different styles (trip hop, rap, dnb, rock).
made albums, compilations, OSTs, mixtapes.
he is active since the 80s!
Muggs doesn't have the pop chart hits Billboard is looking for
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with cypress he got IMO:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cypress_Hill_IV
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skull_%26_Bones_(album)
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Quik actually produced a lot of the joints you just gave Daz credit for. Quik has spoken on it many times. He got money under the table and Suge wanted to build Daz up at the time as the next great producer since Dre was out the door. I was at a Quik show a couple weeks ago and he has a small part of the show where he says I bet you didn’t know I produced these and he pretty much played every Daz produced track off AEOM and some more from the Death Row Era
Quik is by far the most underrated producer he deserves the #2 spot right after Dre
If you disagree with that take you just aren’t familiar enough with his discography
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The list is pretty solid, especially the top 10.
Daz had involvement in some pretty classic albums during the 2-3 year stretch with Death Row but if we are being honest, he hasn't had a classic album under his belt nor does he have classic songs that charted since then.
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https://www.billboard.com/lists/best-rap-producers-all-time-hip-hop/
9th Wonder < DJ Muggs
Bomb Squad < D.I.T.C. (Buckwild/Lord Finesse/Diamond D)
Larry Smith < Havoc/Easy Mo Bee
Metro Boomin < 808 Mafia
40 < Alchemist
The ranking's also pure BS... It's Billboard tho ::)
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Quik actually produced a lot of the joints you just gave Daz credit for. Quik has spoken on it many times. He got money under the table and Suge wanted to build Daz up at the time as the next great producer since Dre was out the door. I was at a Quik show a couple weeks ago and he has a small part of the show where he says I bet you didn’t know I produced these and he pretty much played every Daz produced track off AEOM and some more from the Death Row Era
Quik is by far the most underrated producer he deserves the #2 spot right after Dre
If you disagree with that take you just aren’t familiar enough with his discography
Well that’s dope if you caught that exclusive at one of Quik’s shows—but…
Daz was producing BOMZ in those days. So was Quik ghost producing everything, “What Would You Do”, “Who Got Gangsta Shit”, Dogg Food, “Nuthin But a Cavi”, “Me in Your World” you gonna tell me Quik was ghost producing all dem bombz??
And Quik’s thing at his show was basically him blurring the lines between “mixing” and “producing” and I’m sure Quik ain’t lying and it’s more a semantic exercise about what does it actually mean to be a “producer” (likely both contributed) but you can’t tell me Daz wasn’t capable of making those BOMBZ on All Eyez On Me and Suge had to lie for him to get credit—never that. Ya’ll are Quik groupies for some reason but one day when you die and gotta stare your maker in da Eyez y’all gone finally Rekognize — the DAZ !!!!!!!!!
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Well that’s dope if you caught that exclusive at one of Quik’s shows—but…
Daz was producing BOMZ in those days. So was Quik ghost producing everything, “What Would You Do”, “Who Got Gangsta Shit”, Dogg Food, “Nuthin But a Cavi”, “Me in Your World” you gonna tell me Quik was ghost producing all dem bombz??
And Quik’s thing at his show was basically him blurring the lines between “mixing” and “producing” and I’m sure Quik ain’t lying and it’s more a semantic exercise about what does it actually mean to be a “producer” (likely both contributed) but you can’t tell me Daz wasn’t capable of making those BOMBZ on All Eyez On Me and Suge had to lie for him to get credit—never that. Ya’ll are Quik groupies for some reason but one day when you die and gotta stare your maker in da Eyez y’all gone finally Rekognize — the DAZ !!!!!!!!!
what would u do, dogg food = dre
who got some gangsta shit = daz wasn’t even credited on this one, its a soopafly solo production
nothing but a cavi hit, me in your world = soopafly
the point is not that quik produced everything on his own but rather that it was a collaborative effort and that daz, in specific, is someone who needs a team effort to make top notch beats
not that there’s anything wrong wit that .. he’s a legend
but quik is unequivocally a better musician and overall producer
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There’s a couple videos from the death row vault that describes all the leftover songs from doggfather and Doggystyle. They play the beat Daz had for serial Killa before it was serial Killa and the only thing similar is the bass line. That’s the type of production Daz did. He would come with a very bare bones skeleton of a beat and other guys like soopafly Dre quik would add layers and polish it up and finalize it into the version you hear
Daz definitely was not producing those classic joints on his own
Even when Daz left death row and did that Dillinger & young gotti album he had Mike Dean with him
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There’s a couple videos from the death row vault that describes all the leftover songs from doggfather and Doggystyle. They play the beat Daz had for serial Killa before it was serial Killa and the only thing similar is the bass line. That’s the type of production Daz did. He would come with a very bare bones skeleton of a beat and other guys like soopafly Dre quik would add layers and polish it up and finalize it into the version you hear
Daz definitely was not producing those classic joints on his own
Even when Daz left death row and did that Dillinger & young gotti album he had Mike Dean with him
mike dean
another legend that should be on this list
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what would u do, dogg food = dre
who got some gangsta shit = daz wasn’t even credited on this one, its a soopafly solo production
nothing but a cavi hit, me in your world = soopafly
Then regarding what I said replace "21 Jumpstreet" (Daz) with "Who Got Some Gangsta Shit" (Soopafly) because they are both classic and nearly interchangeable
...yes.. Quik knows how to play a fuccin flute, he brags about that shit in every interview and apparantly every concert he's so bitter about his credits remember he was complaining about the fuccin sound man or lights man his whole set at Power 106 back in the day
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Then regarding what I said replace "21 Jumpstreet" (Daz) with "Who Got Some Gangsta Shit" (Soopafly) because they are both classic and nearly interchangeable
...yes.. Quik knows how to play a fuccin flute, he brags about that shit in every interview and apparantly every concert he's so bitter about his credits remember he was complaining about the fuccin sound man or lights man his whole set at Power 106 back in the day
21 jumpstreet is daz and soopafly
yes quik is a primadonna and egomaniac
no one ever argued that
but he’s real … he acknowledges that dre is above him and admits dre ghost produced for him
that’s how u know he’s not fakin the funk .. but even witout him admitting, sometimes these things ain’t that hard to see when u can read the situation beyond what’s presented
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Madlib would personally be higher up on the list, dude is outrageous with the sampling and unconventional beats.
And even though Battlecat perhaps isn't quite up there on an objective list like this, he makes the most instantly recognisable west-coast sounding beats out of all of the rap producers from the west, and I include Dr. Dre in that (even though he deserves to be numero uno on the list).
I agree that Daz should feature somewhere on the list.
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Actually it's not a bad list—it's better than any of those lists from Rolling Stone.
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well you got a point there I mean he was pretty much teamed with Dre in his early prime and then in his later prime like RRGB era Soopafly was around for a lot of that and they pretty much were a team. Soopafly shares a lot of the credits on RRGB and that era of Daz music
Soopafly is the one that doesn't get the credit he deserves. THE MAN has had his hand in more hits than many people even know. And he's very humble about it. He ain't on youtube complaining about not getting credit.
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Soopafly is the one that doesn't get the credit he deserves. THE MAN has had his hand in more hits than many people even know. And he's very humble about it. He ain't on youtube complaining about not getting credit.
Nobody Macks a bitch and backhands her like soopafly
He’s the OG pimps pimp
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Soopafly is the one that doesn't get the credit he deserves. THE MAN has had his hand in more hits than many people even know. And he's very humble about it. He ain't on youtube complaining about not getting credit.
he's never done an interview ever that I've seen on anything... in fact he's kind of an enigma
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23 the bomb squad..they re number 1
bullshit list no Daz,Big Hutch ,zaytoven,mr lee and mike Dean..
kanye west and dj premier are overrated
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23 the bomb squad..they re number 1
bullshit list no Daz,Big Hutch ,zaytoven,mr lee and mike Dean..
kanye west and dj premier are overrated
smh @ premo being “overrated”
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Horrible list of 25 producers, except for QUIK & Dre. All commercial producers 👎
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Dre aint commercial?!?!
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Dre most definitely is commercial
Dre aint commercial?!?!
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yeah I think Billboard is going by the charts which is what they are all about...the hits
regardless Quik at 13 and Kanye at 2 there is something seriously wrong with that
i hate kanye personally but there's nothing wrong with that.
kanye made a revolution in hip hop with his graduation album, also he is relevant artist since late 90s.
quik couldnt make it to that level.
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There’s a couple videos from the death row vault that describes all the leftover songs from doggfather and Doggystyle. They play the beat Daz had for serial Killa before it was serial Killa and the only thing similar is the bass line. That’s the type of production Daz did. He would come with a very bare bones skeleton of a beat and other guys like soopafly Dre quik would add layers and polish it up and finalize it into the version you hear
Daz definitely was not producing those classic joints on his own
Even when Daz left death row and did that Dillinger & young gotti album he had Mike Dean with him
he also did "life i lead" album with mike dean.
bro' can you send that serial killa demo beat that you mentioned?
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he also did "life i lead" album with mike dean.
bro' can you send that serial killa demo beat that you mentioned?
It’s in this video
https://youtu.be/9LgLov3Zcsw?si=L9R_TAI17VH6WJoI
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It’s in this video
https://youtu.be/9LgLov3Zcsw?si=L9R_TAI17VH6WJoI
how come i didn't recognize that before... thank you.
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No DJ Muggs! That whole list sucks balls and eats ass.... Dre at #1 is a joke he's been trash for over 20 years....
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Dre at #1 is a joke he's been trash for over 20 years....
:snoop:
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It’s in this video
https://youtu.be/9LgLov3Zcsw?si=L9R_TAI17VH6WJoI
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VkuRpW-FfsM
and even worse, dre had his hand in this too.. but u can see how much work was put into making it serial killa
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No DJ Muggs! That whole list sucks balls and eats ass.... Dre at #1 is a joke he's been trash for over 20 years....
real talk.
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No DJ Muggs! That whole list sucks balls and eats ass.... Dre at #1 is a joke he's been trash for over 20 years....
But this is the greatest producers "Of All Time"...not "Of The Last 20 Years". You can't deny that Dre wasn't great at one time. I agree with you he hasn't done much lately, but he definitely deserves to be high on the list overall.
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What about G-Man Stan, QD III, VMF
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What about G-Man Stan, QD III, VMF
What about Johnny J
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What about Johnny J
i understand why he is not in top 25 list but he is one of those producers who touched my heart with his music. rest in piece.