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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Connection => Topic started by: Sccit on February 23, 2022, 10:44:12 PM
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https://hiphopdx.com/news/id.68304/title.snoop-dogg-still-negotiating-2pac-dr-dre-albums-after-death-row-deal
"Snoop Dogg acquired the Death Row Records brand earlier this month, elating West Coast rap fans. But it turns out the terms of the deal are reportedly still “being negotiated” and it’s likely several of Dr. Dre and 2Pac albums won’t be included. According to Billboard, 2Pac‘s Death Row albums All Eyez On Me and The Don Killuminati: The 7 Day Theory are technically “no longer on the label,” meaning Snoop wouldn’t have access to them.
Similarly, Dr. Dre’s 1992 solo debut The Chronic — another Death Row release — might not be returned until early 2023, which would inadvertently make Snoop Dogg the best-selling artist on the roster. As explained in the report, specifics of Death Row’s catalog portion of the widely publicized deal are under negotiation so until the deal closes, MNRK Music Group and investment firm Blackstone are still the owners of the Death Row catalog entries.
Death Row Records has exchanged hands numerous times since its 1990s inception and Snoop Dogg is just the latest person to step in. Snoop acquired the Death Row brand from MNRK Music Group (formerly eOne Music), which is controlled by private equity funds managed by Blackstone.
“I am thrilled and appreciative of the opportunity to acquire the iconic and culturally significant Death Row Records brand, which has immense untapped future value,” Snoop Dogg said in a statement. “It feels good to have ownership of the label I was part of at the beginning of my career and as one of the founding members. This is an extremely meaningful moment for me.
“I would like to personally thank the teams at Blackstone, MNRK and especially David Kestnbaum, who worked collaboratively with me over several months to make this exciting homecoming a reality. I’m looking forward to building the next chapter of Death Row Records.”
Snoop Dogg released his Back On Death Row (B.O.D.R.) album earlier this month via the iconic label and Create Music group. He also joined Dr. Dre, Eminem, 50 Cent, Kendrick Lamar and Mary J. Blige for the historic Pepsi Halftime Show during Super Bowl LVI on February 13."
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As I said - he only acquired rights to brand. Nothing else. He changed the logo so only name remains the same.
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As I said - he only acquired rights to brand. Nothing else. He changed the logo so only name remains the same.
Pretty much. BODR and the news of rebranding were mostly useful for the merchandise. The Good part is that the unreleased stuff can be part of NFT.
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Seems like that would be a fortune to own the masters of such iconic albums as the Chronic, AEOM, and 7 Day Theory. But would be great if the whole thing made its way into the paws of Snoop. Great to see they are atleast linking up for concerts under the Death Row banner.
I don’t understand hiphop economics anymore. I used to have a great grasp on how the business side of the industry worked from street teams to record sales, indie labels and majors—I used to study that side of the industry and track all the sales and revenues and root for my fav artists to succeed and for the Jay-Z’s of the industry to fail.
Now I don’t understand anything about how economics works. When you can download music for free how the fucc is anybody making money. I don’t understand it at all—post G Unit era.
Only thing I can say is that an album like 7 Day Theory could be regarded as something like the Mona Lisa a hundred years from now—(or it could be zero since music is free). It’s really hard for me to wrap my head around so this deal could end up making Snoop a billionaire or cause him to lose a fortune. Who knows
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Pretty much. BODR and the news of rebranding were mostly useful for the merchandise. The Good part is that the unreleased stuff can be part of NFT.
Snoop doesn’t own rights to any death row material.
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https://hypebeast.com/2022/2/2pac-dr-dre-albums-reportedly-not-included-snoop-dogg-death-row-records-acquisition
"If reports are accurate and both 2Pac and Dr. Dre’s albums leave the Death Row catalog, over 50% of the catalog’s activity will disappear and Snoop Dogg will become the label’s best-selling artist with Doggystyle, Doggfather and the recently-released Back on Death Row. The catalog also holds film soundtracks like Above The Rim and Gridlock’d, compilation albums like Christmas on Death Row and records from Lady of Rage, Daz Dillinger and Kurupt."
"According to Billboard’s estimates, the Death Row catalog — including All Eyez On Me, The Don Killuminati: The 7 Day Theory and The Chronic — earned previous owners MNRK approximately $15 million USD in revenue in 2021. If the three albums are removed, the label could make approximately $6 million USD in revenue, with nearly half of that total coming from Snoop Dogg’s records."
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He bought only brand.
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He bought only brand.
Yes, but he will probably soon have the rights to release music too.
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Yes, but he will probably soon have the rights to release music too.
In Europe version of apple music I don’t have Gang Related, Daz solo not speaking of Murder was the case.
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In Europe version of apple music I don’t have Gang Related, Daz solo not speaking of Murder was the case.
That’s why you should own hard copies of these classics :)
I hope Dogg can get this deal over the line and get the rights to the 2Pac music and the Chronic album. Maybe if he does he’ll get the unreleased 2Pac out there as an official release, it’s not as if 2Pac’s estate are going to do anything about it at this point.
I’m surprised Dr. Dre doesn’t want to own the masters to his debut solo, I could swear a while back he blocked its rerelease by WIDEAwake. He must have at least some rights to his Death Row stuff?
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That’s why you should own hard copies of these classics :)
I hope Dogg can get this deal over the line and get the rights to the 2Pac music and the Chronic album. Maybe if he does he’ll get the unreleased 2Pac out there as an official release, it’s not as if 2Pac’s estate are going to do anything about it at this point.
I’m surprised Dr. Dre doesn’t want to own the masters to his debut solo, I could swear a while back he blocked its rerelease by WIDEAwake. He must have at least some rights to his Death Row stuff?
I own cds nevertheless I don’t use them anymore. Maybe just for rips purposes.
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Billboard just published an article stating that Snoop has closed the deal with Deathrow which includes the brand AND "Snoop Dogg's first two albums and other releases."
"The deal gives SNOOP DOGG ownership of his albums 1993’s DOGGYSTYLE and 1996’s THA DOGGFATHER, along with some movie soundtracks, a couple of compilation albums and a few artist albums by the likes of LADY OF RAGE, DAZ DILLINGER and KURUPT ... TUPAC SHAKUR and DR. DRE are not included in the recent purchase of the DEATH ROW label by SNOOP DOGG. SHAKUR’s albums ALL EYEZ ON ME and THE DON KILLUMINATI: THE 7 DAY THEORY are 'no longer on the label' as of last month. THE CHRONIC by DR. DRE is not included but is reportedly slated to be back on the label as early as next year. Apparently, negotiations are already in progress. "
https://www.billboard.com/pro/snoop-dogg-death-row-recording-catalog-masters-deal/
https://www.allaccess.com/net-news/archive/story/215982/snoop-dogg-closes-deal-on-death-row-music-s-record
Complex also reported on it:
"Financial executives who specialize in music assets say Snoop’s Death Row deal is valued at $50 million .. he now has full control of his 1993 effort Doggystyle, his 1996 project Tha Doggfather, as well as a number of soundtracks, compilations, and records by artists like Daz Dillinger, Lady of Rage, and Kurupt ... Pac projects are now owned by Amaru Entertainment and the Tupac estate, while Dre’s sole Death Row album is expected to return to him sometime in 2023."
https://www.complex.com/music/snoop-dogg-death-row-recording-catalog-deal
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Billboard just published an article stating that Snoop has closed the deal with Deathrow which includes the brand AND "Snoop Dogg's first two albums and other releases."
"The deal gives SNOOP DOGG ownership of his albums 1993’s DOGGYSTYLE and 1996’s THA DOGGFATHER, along with some movie soundtracks, a couple of compilation albums and a few artist albums by the likes of LADY OF RAGE, DAZ DILLINGER and KURUPT ... TUPAC SHAKUR and DR. DRE are not included in the recent purchase of the DEATH ROW label by SNOOP DOGG. SHAKUR’s albums ALL EYEZ ON ME and THE DON KILLUMINATI: THE 7 DAY THEORY are 'no longer on the label' as of last month. THE CHRONIC by DR. DRE is not included but is reportedly slated to be back on the label as early as next year. Apparently, negotiations are already in progress. "
https://www.billboard.com/pro/snoop-dogg-death-row-recording-catalog-masters-deal/
https://www.allaccess.com/net-news/archive/story/215982/snoop-dogg-closes-deal-on-death-row-music-s-record
Complex also reported on it:
"Financial executives who specialize in music assets say Snoop’s Death Row deal is valued at $50 million .. he now has full control of his 1993 effort Doggystyle, his 1996 project Tha Doggfather, as well as a number of soundtracks, compilations, and records by artists like Daz Dillinger, Lady of Rage, and Kurupt ... Pac projects are now owned by Amaru Entertainment and the Tupac estate, while Dre’s sole Death Row album is expected to return to him sometime in 2023."
https://www.complex.com/music/snoop-dogg-death-row-recording-catalog-deal
Sounds like he’s pretty close to owning all the music as well. Except for Pac albums
Also, did someone above say that 7 Day Theory is still generating millions every year, even in 2021?? How does that work? Is that like from internet downloads, what about music videos? YouTube death row, etc
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That’s why you should own hard copies of these classics :)
I hope Dogg can get this deal over the line and get the rights to the 2Pac music and the Chronic album. Maybe if he does he’ll get the unreleased 2Pac out there as an official release, it’s not as if 2Pac’s estate are going to do anything about it at this point.
I’m surprised Dr. Dre doesn’t want to own the masters to his debut solo, I could swear a while back he blocked its rerelease by WIDEAwake. He must have at least some rights to his Death Row stuff?
It's been a while since the Dre and Death Row lawsuit, but I seem to recall the rights being split. I think the judge found something along the lines of the original contract that Dre signed never anticipated digital media, so Death Row had the rights to release hard copies, like cassettes, CDs, and vinyls, but needed Dre's permission to release digital copies or put the album on streaming platforms.
EDIT: Found an article that details the outcome of the lawsuit. Dre is entitled to 100% of the proceeds from digital formats. Dre's music can only be released by Death Row in cassette, CD, vinyl, or 8-tracks by paying him an 18% to 20% royalty. However, even with the royalty, he has substantial control over his music, such that they cannot use it on compilations (or presumably remix anything) without his authority.
https://www.billboard.com/music/music-news/dr-dre-wins-lawsuit-against-death-row-digital-rights-to-the-chronic-471965/
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I heard they finished the deal and "The Chronic" and Pac's albums are not included. It's a damn shame.
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I heard they finished the deal and "The Chronic" and Pac's albums are not included. It's a damn shame.
So Snoop owns rights to unreleased material (without Dre's vocals)?
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Snoop doesn't own the rights to shit. He's shucking and jiving (as usual) and looking for a quick come up (as usual) and some online buzz (as usual) so he can sell subpar albums (as usual) and tacky merch (as usual) to die hard Stans (as usual) as the dub whips itself into a frenzy (as usual) like a bunch of wiggas playing out reverse race hate role plays (as usual).
Best believe Suge is sitting there scrolling through the feed like (https://i.imgur.com/MQcY28u.png) at this F'ery.
Why do you think he had to edit the iconic logo? All he's got is the name and the masters to his own DR albums. The rest is that Detox hype ropeadope tomfoolery y'all fall for again and again thinking he's going to resurrect 96 by walking up to Pac's urn and saying "Eh, cuh, lets ride on these here foos like we posed to!" and have ya man pop up like hot toast as the old roster reforms like Voltron.
Stop it, get some help.
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Snoop doesn't own the rights to shit. He's shucking and jiving (as usual) and looking for a quick come up (as usual) and some online buzz (as usual) so he can sell subpar albums (as usual) and tacky merch (as usual) to die hard Stans (as usual) as the dub whips itself into a frenzy (as usual) like a bunch of wiggas playing out reverse race hate role plays (as usual).
Best believe Suge is sitting there scrolling through the feed like (https://i.imgur.com/MQcY28u.png) at this F'ery.
Why do you think he had to edit the iconic logo? All he's got is the name and the masters to his own DR albums. The rest is that Detox hype ropeadope tomfoolery y'all fall for again and again thinking he's going to resurrect 96 by walking up to Pac's urn and saying "Eh, cuh, lets ride on these here foos like we posed to!" and have ya man pop up like hot toast as the old roster reforms like Voltron.
Stop it, get some help.
You really got serious mental issues.
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You really got serious mental issues.
(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/768/cpsprodpb/6C83/production/_103897772_npc_meme_1.jpg) quality posting.
I know y'all souls are still burning from the Dre ether I spat in the other thread so go head, I'll let you get some off because you're feeling some sorta way.
(https://media.tenor.com/images/d4fc43ff7e58820cdab9636ad93a79c2/tenor.gif)
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Snoop officially owns The Chronic 8)
"In a recent interview with TIDAL, the inimitable Doggfather provided some clarity on what exactly owning the Death Row brand means. In the process, he revealed he’s acquired Dr. Dre’s 1992 debut The Chronic, his own 1993 solo classic Doggystyle and the Above The Rim soundtrack, among others. As for 2Pac’s Death Row releases, he’s confident he’ll be able to wrangle those, too."
“To be in control of the brand means that I got all of the pieces that I need to do what I got to do, from the masters to the publishing, to the IP, to the label, to the logo, to everything,” he said. “It’s all mine. I’m able to move it around and do what I need to do with it. As far as 2Pac’s masters, 2Pac’s masters came back to him last year.
“But I got a great relationship with his estate, and I’m pretty sure we’re going to be able to work something out … to continue some Death Row 2Pac business now that Snoop Dogg is in control of Death Row. Same with Dr. Dre and The Chronic. I got The Chronic album. I got Doggystyle, Tha Doggfather, Murder Was the Case, Dogg Food, Above the Rim. I got all those records.”
https://hiphopdx.com/news/id.68546/title.snoop-dogg-acquires-masters-to-dr-dres-the-chronic-other-classic-death-row-albums#
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If Snoop owns the right to release physical copies of the The Chronic, he doesn't own much. Dre made out with the digital rights.
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I was always wondering why we didn’t get even one Dre’s verse on Doggystyle. It was always a mystery for me. Do you have any clue why is that?
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I was always wondering why we didn’t get even one Dre’s verse on Doggystyle. It was always a mystery for me. Do you have any clue why is that?
there was og version of tha next episode but i think it was pulled off the album due to sample clearance
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Finaly,he got the masters
https://www.instagram.com/p/Cav9jRzrB8J/?utm_medium=copy_link
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Nice 8)
And yeah, I hope we get Tha Next Episode maybe as a bonus track on a Doggystyle anniversary album??
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I was reading this article interviewing Snoop: https://tidal.com/magazine/article/snoop-dogg-conversation-22/1-83691
and there's this part in the interview that got me smh:
"When we made these records, EDM and Latin wasn’t much. Now EDM and Latin run the world, and that’s with no disrespect; that’s with all due respect. Those genres have been working to become great for years, and now they finally reached that high point. What I mean by that is, look at Latin music. Look at J Balvin, Bad Bunny and Jennifer Lopez, Selena Gomez. Then look to the EDM community. Calvin Harris, David Guetta, Steve Aoki. Fuckin’ will.i.am. These genres are gigantic. So to be able to take Death Row music into those types of collaborations, it’s interesting. I may explore that."
Fuck no Snoop, we don't want that! We want unreleased music, or deluxe versions of albums with demo versions, unreleased songs, remixes, alt versions just like other genres of music do with their classic albums. Release these on CD and vinyl like other genres do, fuck NFT (whatever the fuck that is) and metaverse (whatever that is). That's what I want. We want quality mastering of the songs Wideawake put out. Damn, why do the people up top always have trouble giving the fans what they want!
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I was reading this article interviewing Snoop: https://tidal.com/magazine/article/snoop-dogg-conversation-22/1-83691
and there's this part in the interview that got me smh:
"When we made these records, EDM and Latin wasn’t much. Now EDM and Latin run the world, and that’s with no disrespect; that’s with all due respect. Those genres have been working to become great for years, and now they finally reached that high point. What I mean by that is, look at Latin music. Look at J Balvin, Bad Bunny and Jennifer Lopez, Selena Gomez. Then look to the EDM community. Calvin Harris, David Guetta, Steve Aoki. Fuckin’ will.i.am. These genres are gigantic. So to be able to take Death Row music into those types of collaborations, it’s interesting. I may explore that."
Fuck no Snoop, we don't want that! We want unreleased music, or deluxe versions of albums with demo versions, unreleased songs, remixes, alt versions just like other genres of music do with their classic albums. Release these on CD and vinyl like other genres do, fuck NFT (whatever the fuck that is) and metaverse (whatever that is). That's what I want. We want quality mastering of the songs Wideawake put out. Damn, why do the people up top always have trouble giving the fans what they want!
snoop is the definition of an artist with no direction
he badly needs an overseer to point him in the right direction
he has a potential goldmine in his hands, but wants to make flash in the pan Mexican EDM NFTs
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LOL and this in whom you place your faith?
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Well, it looks like despite what Snoop said about The Chronic, claims of ownership are false according to Dr. Dre's lawyer Howard King who spoke to Rolling Stone:
Snoop Dogg’s comments were construed online as he did acquire the 1992 LP as part of the Death Row deal; however, in a statement, Dr. Dre’s attorney reiterated that the producer-rapper retains total control of The Chronic.
“There are false reports out regarding ownership by Death Row of Dr. Dre’s The Chronic. Dr. Dre owns 100% of The Chronic,” Dre’s lawyer Howard King told Rolling Stone.
While The Chronic remains in Dre’s possession, Snoop Dogg did list off the impressive catalog of LPs he gained when he purchased Death Row, including many of his own standouts: Doggystyle and Tha Doggfather, Tha Dogg Pound’s Dogg Food, the Above The Rim and Murder Was The Case soundtracks, and Dr. Dre’s 1992 single “Deep Cover,” which marked Snoop Dogg’s Death Row debut. “I got all those records,” Snoop Dogg said (via NME).
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/dr-dre-the-chronic-death-row-false-reports-1317448/
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Snoop Lyin, what else is new?
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He smokes 24/7. He doesn’t even know what he bought. Deep Cover never was in possesion of Death Row by the way.
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Maybe we'll finally get Hi-Res releases for Doggystyle, Doggfather, Above The Rim, Dogg Food, etc. I'd pay good money for 24-bit 192kHz releases of those.
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Maybe we'll finally get Hi-Res releases for Doggystyle, Doggfather, Above The Rim, Dogg Food, etc. I'd pay good money for 24-bit 192kHz releases of those.
All Death Row releases are gone from Apple Music ???
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All Death Row releases are gone from Apple Music ???
Hmmm, interesting.
2Pac Greatest Hits is still there and listed as 1998 Deathrow Records/Interscope Records but I think that's all.
It's a trip to see the Deathrow signature gone from All Eyez On Me and now listed as Amaru Entertainment.
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What kind of deal is that now, all official Death Row albums are gone, I hope they don't come out on NFT then we won't get any more of it, it went better with the old buyers
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Hmmm, interesting.
2Pac Greatest Hits is still there and listed as 1998 Deathrow Records/Interscope Records but I think that's all.
It's a trip to see the Deathrow signature gone from All Eyez On Me and now listed as Amaru Entertainment.
All Eyez on me is now Amaru entertainment, they change the whole Death Row story
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What kind of deal is that now, all official Death Row albums are gone, I hope they don't come out on NFT then we won't get any more of it, it went better with the old buyers
All DR catolgue will be NFT now.
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All DR catolgue will be NFT now.
You can't be serious?
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You can't be serious?
Sorry bro. World is ending. I had download all catalogue from my CDs. Snoop is wasting this brand.
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Shit Storm begins
https://hiphopdx.com/news/id.68740/title.snoop-dogg-blamed-for-several-death-row-records-releases-being-removed-from-dsps
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Thought Dre had 100% the rights to his album, The Chronic was also removed, don't think he'll like what's going on right now
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Oh so that's why...
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snoop has fumbled this entire death row deal somethin seriously thus far
too many yes men in his ear perhaps
but like his music, he seems to badly need some management overseeing the entire thing
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snoop has fumbled this entire death row deal somethin seriously thus far
too many yes men in his ear perhaps
but like his music, he seems to badly need some management overseeing the entire thing
That's why I said he wasn't qualified for the def jam west thing when it was announced. That hasn't gone anywhere either. You were one of the people cheering for it when it was announced correct? You are one of those very same yes men. He doesn't have the track record of putting on artist so why put him in that seat?
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That's why I said he wasn't qualified for the def jam west thing when it was announced. That hasn't gone anywhere either. You were one of the people cheering for it when it was announced correct? You are one of those very same yes men. He doesn't have the track record of putting on artist so why put him in that seat?
i don’t think u know what a yes man is
i said that def jam could provide him with the structure he needed, perhaps even an overseer to manage his projects
but doesn’t look like that happened
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i don’t think u know what a yes man is
i said that def jam could provide him with the structure he needed, perhaps even an overseer to manage his projects
but but doesn’t look like that happened
I see a yes man in you everytime Dr Dre is brought up in a negative light.
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I see a yes man in you everytime Dr Dre is brought up in a negative light.
how is that possible when i wasn’t even feeling the gta project?
sounds like u might just be a dre hater and can’t stand cats who are fans of his brilliance in the rap game
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how is that possible when i wasn’t even feeling the gta project?
sounds like u might just be a dre hater and can’t stand cats who are fans of his brilliance in the rap game
He hasn't had a hit in like twenty years bro.
:camby:
I'll stop hating when you stop loving.
Warewolf breath!
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He hasn't had a hit in like twenty years bro.
:camby:
I'll stop hating when you stop loving.
Warewolf breath!
even if he hasn’t had a hit in 20 years, what’s your point? does that mean he’s not a goat? it’s like sayin michael jordan hasn’t won a championship in over 20 years. foh homeboy.
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Albums will be released again, maybe with additional material as a new beginning
https://www.instagram.com/p/CbD_98tPF6s/?utm_medium=copy_link
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Albums will be released again, maybe with additional material as a new beginning
https://www.instagram.com/p/CbD_98tPF6s/?utm_medium=copy_link
They will - on NFT.
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even if he hasn’t had a hit in 20 years, what’s your point? does that mean he’s not a goat? it’s like sayin michael jordan hasn’t won a championship in over 20 years. foh homeboy.
How am I a hater? I didn't even comment on his new album. I commented on the first song when it dropped saying I only wanted to hear hits from him. The lover in you deems any form of criticism hate.
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They will - on NFT.
Should we be OK widdit?
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How am I a hater? I didn't even comment on his new album. I commented on the first song when it dropped saying I only wanted to hear hits from him. The lover in you deems any form of criticism hate.
naah you’ve undermined plenty of dre’s past accomplishments on here in the past
lmao @ “lover” tho
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naah you’ve undermined plenty of dre’s past accomplishments on here in the past
lmao @ “lover” tho
Just calling a spade a spade. What numerous people have done for Dre, I was always under the impression that Dre did on his own. I always gave him props for his mixing and mastering but now you guys are saying he doesn't master.
lol@hating.
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Just calling a spade a spade. What numerous people have done for Dre, I was always under the impression that Dre did on his own. I always gave him props for his mixing and mastering but now you guys are saying he doesn't master.
lol@hating.
big bass has mastered most of dre’s work
if you don’t even know the basics of this shit, how u guna sit here and judge?
this would be like me saying “i don’t think shaq has done as much for the lakers as people say, but he’s a great 3 point shooter”
a lot of what u say is based off gut instinct as opposed to research and legitimate knowledge
gotta find a balance mayn
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a lot of what u say is based off gut instinct as opposed to research and legitimate knowledge
The more research I do reveals the less he has done throughout his career. That's the point.
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The more research I do reveals the less he has done throughout his career. That's the point.
he does everything ..
every track he does, he is the final say from inception to completion. his musical mastery as an overseer and a legitimate definition of producer is unparalleled.
his co-producers wouldn’t be anywhere close to where they are without him.
he could literally take any of your beats, strip them down, rebuild them from start to finish, and create a classic.
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Deathrow catalog headed back to streaming platforms and the alike shortly:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CbQOejDpQjs/
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The more research I do reveals the less he has done throughout his career. That's the point.
Let me guess. Your "research" is watching Youtube videos of bitter people?
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Let me guess. Your "research" is watching Youtube videos of bitter people?
That's like saying that you got your information from a "book". If it's factual, what difference does it make where it came from?
The pimp chronicles interview posted a few days ago revealed alot but he wasn't speaking from a place of bitterness. Dre gets the credit for the beat but he didn't make it according to the interview.
https://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php/topic,339558.0.html
My post that you quoted and that interview was exactly what I was taking about. Not sure why this sort of thing gets you guys so upset when pointed out or why it's even challenged. Unless of course you are a lover.
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That's like saying that you got your information from a "book". If it's factual, what difference does it make where it came from?
The pimp chronicles interview posted a few days ago revealed alot but he wasn't speaking from a place of bitterness. Dre gets the credit for the beat but he didn't make it according to the interview.
https://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php/topic,339558.0.html
My post that you quoted and that interview was exactly what I was taking about. Not sure why this sort of thing gets you guys so upset when pointed out or why it's even challenged. Unless of course you are a lover.
You still don't seem to understand what producing means. For example, The Glove said he produced "Xxplosive", but he actually didn't make the beat though. I asked him what did Colin Wolfe, Camara Kambon and others who are credited do and he said they did what they were credited for.
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the glove only came up wit the drum pattern for xxplosive
dre produced the track
abusive still thinks beatmaking and producing is the same thing
a producer can make beats, but he can also produce someone else’s beat and rework it with his own vision .. producing in accordance to musical theory is a much more acquired skill than beatmaking, which is something basically anyone can do.
for instance, abusive makes beats. but if dr dre got his hand on one of his beats, he could produce it and make it sound like something completely different by reworking it top to bottom from scratch.
and this is without even mentioning the construction of an entire track, which no one in the history of rap has done on the level of dre. vocal coaching, conceptualizing, layering, visualizing, etc. together with the artist, from inception to completion.
y’all can speculate all u want, but your best bet is to take it from someone who has direct relationships with the musicians in question.
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You still don't seem to understand what producing means. For example, The Glove said he produced "Xxplosive", but he actually didn't make the beat though. I asked him what did Colin Wolfe, Camara Kambon and others who are credited do and he said they did what they were credited for.
*sigh"
I never said anything about producing. I'm talking about him making the beat for phone tap. 🤣 Like I said before, more and more comes out about what I thought Dre had done in his career that he hasn't.
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You two sitting up here creating imaginary narratives of what you think I mean over the internet is creepy. :holdup: I said what I said, get over it. Most of what I thought Dre had done, he hasn't. :hubie:
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the glove only came up wit the drum pattern for xxplosive
dre produced the track
abusive still thinks beatmaking and producing is the same thing
a producer can make beats, but he can also produce someone else’s beat and rework it with his own vision .. producing in accordance to musical theory is a much more acquired skill than beatmaking, which is something basically anyone can do.
for instance, abusive makes beats. but if dr dre got his hand on one of his beats, he could produce it and make it sound like something completely different by reworking it top to bottom from scratch.
and this is without even mentioning the construction of an entire track, which no one in the history of rap has done on the level of dre. vocal coaching, conceptualizing, layering, visualizing, etc. together with the artist, from inception to completion.
y’all can speculate all u want, but your best bet is to take it from someone who has direct relationships with the musicians in question.
Post a couple of examples of beats that Dre has reworked.
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Post a couple of examples of beats that Dre has reworked.
let’s start with doggy dogg world
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You two sitting up here creating imaginary narratives of what you think I mean over the internet is creepy. :holdup: I said what I said, get over it. Most of what I thought Dre had done, he hasn't. :hubie:
what did u think he did that he didn’t?
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*sigh"
I never said anything about producing. I'm talking about him making the beat for phone tap. 🤣 Like I said before, more and more comes out about what I thought Dre had done in his career that he hasn't.
so u actually think what the glove submitted to dre for phone tap is the same thing we heard on the album?
:dead:
peep my sig .. i know a thing or 2 about glove. if you have any questions feel free to ask.
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let’s start with doggy dogg world
I need the before and after.
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so u actually think what the glove submitted to dre for phone tap is the same thing we heard on the album?
:dead:
peep my sig .. i know a thing or 2 about glove. if you have any questions feel free to ask.
Yes I do.
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what did u think he did that he didn’t?
What difference does it make?
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What difference does it make?
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Yes I do.
so i’ll tell you first hand, you’re wrong.
time to rethink your stance 1 time.
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I need the before and after.
dreless version:
https://m.soundcloud.com/user-hua/doggy-dogg-world-demo-version
after dre:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7t0b2UXhSMU
maybe this will help put things in perspective for u
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dreless version:
https://m.soundcloud.com/user-hua/doggy-dogg-world-demo-version
after dre:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7t0b2UXhSMU
maybe this will help byput things in perspective for u
I like the demo version better doe. Now what?
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I like the demo version better doe. Now what?
good for you
some people like yelawolf over 2pac
dre still reworked the beat n made it his own like he does to everything he touches
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good for you
some people like yelawolf over 2pac
dre still reworked the beat n made it his own like he does to everything he touches
I fail to see your point. Anyone can make a beat according to you, so what's the big deal about taking someone else's beat and making changes to it? Anyone can do that as well, correct? Unless you are saying it's better than before which is subjective. You clearly didn't think your arguments all the way through.
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good for you
some people like yelawolf over 2pac
dre still reworked the beat n made it his own like he does to everything he touches
For someone that claims to be "in the know", name drops industry people more than Game and generally acts like Dres number one groupie I'd have thought you would've spotted how that "demo" is just a multitrack mixdown of the retail joint with some elements muted.
Its literally the same song/take just stripped back to percussion mainly via fan editing. The guy has plenty more from the multis:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5zsqkGMOF0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRWe7Dr1ZNA
Literally Dres retail version with some of his production taken out. Thats a "demo" to you? Thats what you use to prove your point? Almost as bad as you fawning over that 10 year old GTA beat gushing "I can hear Dre's Compton layers in this, another classic!". You obviously don't know what you're hearing and automatically praise anything with Dres named attached to it, losing all semblance of critical thinking.
Stop it, get some help. And stop biting my style on The Coli with that as well.
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For someone that claims to be "in the know", name drops industry people more than Game and generally acts like Dres number one groupie I'd have thought you would've spotted how that "demo" is just a multitrack mixdown of the retail joint with some elements muted.
Its literally the same song/take just stripped back to percussion mainly via fan editing. The guy has plenty more from the multis:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5zsqkGMOF0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRWe7Dr1ZNA
Literally Dres retail version with some of his production taken out. Thats a "demo" to you? Thats what you use to prove your point? Almost as bad as you fawning over that 10 year old GTA beat gushing "I can hear Dre's Compton layers in this, another classic!". You obviously don't know what you're hearing and automatically praise anything with Dres named attached to it, losing all semblance of critical thinking.
Stop it, get some help. And stop biting my style on The Coli with that as well.
listen bloke, put them tea n crumpets down n pop this dick out your mouth one time .. i literally said the gta EP was disappointing and now u jus makin more shit up because you want another chance to ride these nuts while u shit on dre so u can be an edgy contrarian.
u pretend to understand music and can’t even tell an incomplete track from a stripped down track .. that is doggy dogg world before instrumentation and vocals was complete. even the channel u posted has it listed as “original mix” .. pay attention mufucka.
now chill on imagining that anyone would ever bite ya goofy ass and stop to go get some help 1 time.
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I fail to see your point. Anyone can make a beat according to you, so what's the big deal about taking someone else's beat and making changes to it? Anyone can do that as well, correct? Unless you are saying it's better than before which is subjective. You clearly didn't think your arguments all the way through.
the point is that many people produce beats like u and not many produce beats like dre
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the point is that many people produce beats like u and not many produce beats like dre
Do you want kinder and gentler or Hitler mixed with heimlich himmler?
Lyrically imma killa, I'll diss ya with the violent temper of heimlich himmler.
haha that's old but don't get me started...
You lost. You playing checkers and I'm playing Xiangqi.
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Do you want kinder and gentler or Hitler mixed with heimlich himmler?
Lyrically imma killa, I'll diss ya with the violent temper of heimlich himmler.
haha that's old but don't get me started...
You lost. You playing checkers and I'm playing Xiangqi.
the real problem here is that you think we playin a game in the first place
not everything is an ego based competition homie
spit more them bars over one of your beats n leme hear somethin
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the real problem here is that you think we playin a game in the first place
not everything is an ego based competition homie
spit more them bars over one of your beats n leme hear somethin
Nah
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Nah
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listen bloke, put them tea n crumpets down n pop this dick out your mouth one time .. i literally said the gta EP was disappointing and now u jus makin more shit up because you want another chance to ride these nuts while u shit on dre so u can be an edgy contrarian.
u pretend to understand music and can’t even tell an incomplete track from a stripped down track .. that is doggy dogg world before instrumentation and vocals was complete. even the channel u posted has it listed as “original mix” .. pay attention mufucka.
now chill on imagining that anyone would ever bite ya goofy ass and stop to go get some help 1 time.
:trollin:
can this instrumental related to dr. dre??? drums and some elements and the way they mixed reminds me compton.
https://youtu.be/D71cBUeAL58
very possible. i do hear the compton style breaks/drops.
:shittedon:
T, t, t, t, tell em why you mad sandcac.
All you do is take other peoples impressions and pretend they're your own. No wonder you're such a Dre Lover, except he actually has talent.
"that is doggy dogg world before instrumentation and vocals was complete" of course it isn't you goofy. Its the exact same track as retail just with certain tracks muted, go ask the guy. He labeled it that way to get some clicks and anyone with working ears can tell its the retail cut and not a preproduction version. Thats what his whole channel is about and he admits they're all reel mixes with muted elements.
A real demo, work in progress version sounds like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7tmqovkT_o
Vocal differences, basic looped production, not mixed. You know, all the stuff you expect from a song being worked on and not complete vs a retail song with tracks muted. Even that I wouldn't class as a demo as its a WIP studio reference track but you get the point.
As for the biting, are you saying you didn't start saying "Stop it, Get some help" on The Coli recently? :umad: Wonder where you bit that from?
(https://i.imgur.com/8xeVh4C.png)
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:shittedon:
T, t, t, t, tell em why you mad sandcac.
All you do is take other peoples impressions and pretend they're your own. No wonder you're such a Dre Lover, except he actually has talent.
"that is doggy dogg world before instrumentation and vocals was complete" of course it isn't you goofy. Its the exact same track as retail just with certain tracks muted, go ask the guy. He labeled it that way to get some clicks and anyone with working ears can tell its the retail cut and not a preproduction version. Thats what his whole channel is about and he admits they're all reel mixes with muted elements.
A real demo, work in progress version sounds like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7tmqovkT_o
Vocal differences, basic looped production, not mixed. You know, all the stuff you expect from a song being worked on and not complete vs a retail song with tracks muted. Even that I wouldn't class as a demo as its a WIP studio reference track but you get the point.
As for the biting, are you saying you didn't start saying "Stop it, Get some help" on The Coli recently? :umad: Wonder where you bit that from?
(https://i.imgur.com/8xeVh4C.png)
look at this goofy brit thinkin he doin somethin
:fisherlol:
you literally just said i praise anything dre does.. and after i told u that i felt the gta ep was underwhelming, that’s the proof you came wit? me saying a beat has similar style breaks to compton?? and to make matters worse, u tap yourself on the back after posting an irrelevant quote in true wanker fashion lmfao.
even if you are right about the dude who posted that doggy dogg world “original version” having the stems and stripping the beat down, u still didn’t prove anything. beating your chest the way u do in practically every post u make like the resident douchebag doesn’t make you seem as special or knowledgeable as u yearn to be .. the fact remains, taking barebone beats and layering them with impeccable instrumentation to perfection is one of dre’s known attributes. which means even if this youtuber reversed the process, that doesn’t change a thing.. as you unintentionally just proved by posting the aint no fun demo, which sounds like it was done by an amateur in comparison to the completed version we hear on doggystyle.
also mate, “stop it.. get some help” is a meme that’s been popular on the coli for close to a decade now smh. it comes from that jordan gif, which i’ve used well before you decided to rename yourself and take on the edgy british egomaniac persona. i’ve also been using variations of “get help” or “stop it” since before that meme even existed.. and no, i don’t remember using the entire phrase on the coli ever.
but what’s more noteworthy here is you following me around other forums in stalker fashion then commenting on it here. i gota say, that’s creepy even for a mental patient who needs help all the way down in the UK..
here u go ninny wazock
(https://i.ibb.co/s62QtKB/2-CDB325-F-C242-4640-BF98-B3-B6077042-B3.jpg)
what we have here is someone who suffers from a prime example of:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grandiose_delusions
you might think that meme is a joke, but you genuinely do belong in the looney bin wit some of the other posters here bloke
:hubie:
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look at this goofy brit thinkin he doin somethin
:fisherlol:
you literally just said i praise anything dre does.. and after i told u that i felt the gta ep was underwhelming, that’s the proof you came wit? me saying a beat has similar style breaks to compton?? and to make matters worse, u tap yourself on the back after posting an irrelevant quote in true wanker fashion lmfao.
even if you are right about the dude who posted that doggy dogg world “original version” having the stems and stripping the beat down, u still didn’t prove anything. beating your chest the way u do in practically every post u make like the resident douchebag doesn’t make you seem as special or knowledgeable as u yearn to be .. the fact remains, taking barebone beats and layering them with impeccable instrumentation to perfection is one of dre’s known attributes. which means even if this youtuber reversed the process, that doesn’t change a thing.. as you unintentionally just proved by posting the aint no fun demo, which sounds like it was done by an amateur in comparison to the completed version we hear on doggystyle.
also mate, “stop it.. get some help” is a meme that’s been popular on the coli for close to a decade now smh. it comes from that jordan gif, which i’ve used well before you decided to rename yourself and take on the edgy british egomaniac persona. i’ve also been using variations of “get help” or “stop it” since before that meme even existed.. and no, i don’t remember using the entire phrase on the coli ever.
but what’s more noteworthy here is you following me around other forums in stalker fashion then commenting on it here. i gota say, that’s creepy even for a mental patient who needs help all the way down in the UK..
here u go ninny wazock
(https://i.ibb.co/s62QtKB/2-CDB325-F-C242-4640-BF98-B3-B6077042-B3.jpg)
what we have here is someone who suffers from a prime example of:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grandiose_delusions
you might think that meme is a joke, but you genuinely do belong in the looney bin wit some of the other posters here bloke
:hubie:
(https://i.postimg.cc/6Q76rMVt/cacula.png)
Methinks the sandcac doth protest too much.
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(https://i.postimg.cc/6Q76rMVt/cacula.png)
Methinks the sandcac doth protest too much.
grow up scallywag
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You two sitting up here creating imaginary narratives of what you think I mean over the internet is creepy. :holdup: I said what I said, get over it. Most of what I thought Dre had done, he hasn't. :hubie:
Have you ever checked the credits in the booklets?
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Have you ever checked the credits in the booklets?
I'm done with this topic and thread. I have nothing else to say.
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"The Chronic is bac home" - Snoop Dogg
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