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Israeli Bulldozer Kills U.S. Protester
Sun Mar 16, 5:05 PM ET
By IBRAHIM BARZAK, Associated Press Writer
GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip - An American college student in Gaza to protest Israel operations was killed Sunday when she was run over by a bulldozer while trying to block troops from demolishing a Palestinian home.
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Slideshow: Mideast Conflict
American Killed in Gaza By Israeli Bulldozer
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At least one Palestinian also was killed.
The killing of the student by the Israelis — the first of a foreign activist in 29 months of fighting — came as Israelis and Palestinians wrangled over the terms of a U.S.-backed plan to end the violence and establish a Palestinian state.
Rachel Corrie, 23, of Olympia, Wash., had been with U.S. and British demonstrators in the Rafah refugee camp trying to stop demolitions. She died in the hospital, said Dr. Ali Moussa, a hospital administrator.
"This is a regrettable accident," said Capt. Jacob Dallal, an army spokesman. "We are dealing with a group of protesters who were acting very irresponsibly, putting everyone in danger."
The army said soldiers were looking for explosives and tunnels used to smuggle weapons.
The United States "deeply regrets this tragic death of an American citizen," State Department spokesman Lou Fintor said.
He expressed condolences to Corrie's family and said the United States wants an "immediate and full investigation" into her death.
"We again call on the Israeli defense forces to undertake all possible measures to avoid harm to civilians," Fintor's statement said.
Greg Schnabel, 28, of Chicago, said four Americans and four Britons were trying to stop Israeli troops from destroying a building belonging to Dr. Samir Masri.
Israel for months has been tearing down houses of Palestinians it suspects in Islamic militant activity, saying such operations deter attacks on Israel such as suicide bombings.
"Rachel was alone in front of the house as we were trying to get them to stop," Schnabel said. "She waved for the bulldozer to stop. She fell down and the bulldozer kept going. It had completely run over her and then it reversed and ran back over her."
She was wearing a brightly colored jacket when the bulldozer hit her.
Several Palestinians gathered at the site, and troops opened fire, killing one Palestinian, witnesses said. The army had no comment on that report.
Corrie was the first member of the Palestinian-backed "International Solidarity Movement" to be killed in a conflict that has claimed more than 2,200 Palestinian lives — about three times the toll on the Israeli side.
A student at The Evergreen State College in Olympia, Corrie would have graduated this year, Schnabel said.
Her killing should be a message to President Bush (news - web sites), who is "providing Israel with tanks and bulldozers, and now they killed one of his own people," said Mansour Abed Allah, 29, a Palestinian human rights worker who witnessed Corrie's death.
Several other U.S. citizens have been killed in Palestinian-Israeli violence. On March 5, Abigail Litle, 14, was killed in a Palestinian suicide bombing attack on a bus in the northern Israeli city of Haifa. Last July, five Americans died in a bombing at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem.
Bush said Friday that a long-awaited "road map" for peace would be back on the table once Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat (news - web sites) appointed a prime minister with real power — a process that appeared well under way last week.
But on Sunday, Arafat presented legislators with proposed changes to the Palestinian basic law approved last Monday that, according to a diplomatic source, that created the impression that a prime minister was not independent.
The source, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the move could thereby reduce any pressure on Israel to constructively engage the new Palestinian prime minister.
The road map worked out by the United States, European Union (news - web sites), United Nations (news - web sites) and Russia foresees Palestinian statehood by 2005 and an end to Israeli settlement-building in the West Bank and Gaza.
Bush has said that first, the Palestinians need to change their leadership, and the road map calls for Arafat to appoint an empowered prime minister.
While Arafat bowed to intense international pressure and agreed to share control with a new prime minister, Palestinian legislators said Sunday he was now asking for amendments in the law passed last week.
The most significant change was that Arafat wanted the ultimate say in the creation of a new Palestinian Cabinet, suggesting he could have veto power over candidates nominated by the new prime minister. He also asked for the right to chair Cabinet meetings, said legislators.
The 88-member Palestinian Legislative Council was to meet Monday to discuss the proposed changes. If agreement is reached, legislators are expected to approve the appointment of Arafat's longtime deputy, Mahmoud Abbas, as premier.
Meanwhile, Israel pressed ahead with its proposals over key phrases in the draft "road map." According to the Haaretz newspaper, Israel wants to replace all references to an "independent" Palestinian state with the term "certain attributes of sovereignty," noting that such a state has to be "credible" and "law abiding."
Israeli officials had no immediate comment on the report, which cited anonymous Israeli sources.
The Palestinians say U.S. officials have assured them that no more changes will be made in the document.
In phase one of the draft, Palestinians would carry out government reforms and crack down on militants, while Israel would withdraw from Palestinian towns. Israel would then recognize an interim Palestinian state. Negotiations on full statehood would come in stage three.
Each phase is laden with obstacles. If Arafat fails to appoint a prime minister with real power, Israel could refuse to end its occupation of West Bank towns and villages. To date, Arafat has failed to rein in militants.
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I read the writers name, and then iI stopped reading it...PeACe
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:-\ from the horses mouth, how prejudiced can you be.
If you read the article youd see it was balanced it mentioned both sides.
Get out of your bubble nik and open your fuckin mind a bit.
Not everything in life is as pretty as your little neighbourhood.
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Dude, STFU...Obviously if this article was written by a Muslim, it's gunna be biased...I don't feel like wasting time reading an article that's gunna make my people look bad...PeACe
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Dude, STFU...Obviously if this article was written by a Muslim, it's gunna be biased...I don't feel like wasting time reading an article that's gunna make my people look bad...PeACe
I read the news story[obviously not exactly the same one posted here] in the local news paper, which wasnt written by a muslim. She came in the path of a bulldozer which was destroying homes n shit, in an effort to stop it, but the driver just ran her down. R.i.P
-{bLaDe}
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So in that case every christian, or jewish writer is also biased against all other religions? Man thats close minded. I dont like britiish people much but i dont slander everything they say about ireland coz of who wrote it.
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These protesters are so fucking stupid it makes me sick.
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Dude, STFU...Obviously if this article was written by a Muslim, it's gunna be biased...I don't feel like wasting time reading an article that's gunna make my people look bad...PeACe
I read the news story[obviously not exactly the same one posted here] in the local news paper, which wasnt written by a muslim. She came in the path of a bulldozer which was destroying homes n shit, in an effort to stop it, but the driver just ran her down. R.i.P
-{bLaDe}
Really? I heard she was throwing rocks at the bulldozer...How dumb do you have to be to throw rocks at a bulldozer?
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Really? I heard she was throwing rocks at the bulldozer...How dumb do you have to be to throw rocks at a bulldozer?
a) Does that justify running her over?
b) You don't know if she did or not. If an unbiased source says she wasn't, then perhaps she wasn't, and she was just run over...To teach those awful Palestinians to know their place.
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u talkin about shes dumb but u dont talk about the heartless bastard that ran over her, she stood up for what she believed in and you call her stupid C2Knuckles?, come on
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u talkin about shes dumb but u dont talk about the heartless bastard that ran over her, she stood up for what she believed in and you call her stupid C2Knuckles?, come on
Would you ever stand in the way of a bulldozer at work? Not if you have any sense.
I don't think it was justified running her over but what the hell is she doing in the way. It's the same as the people becoming human shields around military targets. That's just suicide to me, I don't feel bad for them. They are just asking for it.
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'Rachel was sitting in the path of the bulldozer as it advanced towards her. When the bulldozer refused to stop or turn aside she climbed up onto the mound of dirt and rubble being gathered in front of it wearing a fluorescent jacket to look directly at the driver who kept on advancing. The bulldozer continued to advance so that she was pulled under the pile of dirt and rubble. After she had disappeared from view the driver kept
advancing until the bulldozer was completely on top of her. The driver did not lift the bulldozer blade and so she was crushed beneath it. Then the driver backed off and the seven other ISM activists taking part in the action rushed to dig out her body. An ambulance rushed her to A-Najar hospital where she died.
Rachel had been staying in Palestinian homes threatened with illegal demolition, and today Rachel was standing with other non-violent international activists in front of a home scheduled for illegal demolition. According to witnesses, Rachel was run over twice by the Israeli military bulldozer in its process of demolishing the Palestinian home. Witnesses say that Rachel was clearly visible to the bulldozer driver, and was doing nothing to provoke an attack"
(http://www.palsolidarity.org/pictures/rach2.jpg)
(http://www.palsolidarity.org/pictures/rach1.jpg)
A clearly marked Rachel Corey, holding a megaphone, confronts an Israeli bulldozer driver attempting to demolish a Palestinian home, Rafah, Occupied Gaza, 16 March 2003.
(http://www.palsolidarity.org/pictures/rach3.jpg)
http://www.palsolidarity.org/rachel.htm
-{bLaDe}
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She wasn't shielding terrorists though, you fuckwit. She was standing in the way of a bulldozer trying to illegally knock down a house. Israel recognizes Rafah as a possible future Palestinian city; why are they smashing up houses?
Rachel is a heroine of our times. Fuck the guys who did this, and fuck anyone who thinks she's stupid for having more courage than you ever will.
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couldnt have said it better Owen.
She wasnt stupid, she was standing up for a just cause and she was killed because of it. Theres a thin line between bravery and stupidity but she had two feet firmly in the side of bravery. We need more people like this in the world. RIP
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Rachel is a heroine of our times.
LOL
A heroine of our times for trying to stop a bulldozer demolish homes? ::)
and fuck anyone who thinks she's stupid for having more courage than you ever will.
She had NO right to be in the way. Those bulldosers were doing thier job and was interfering with their work. If she didn't like what they would doing, too fucking bad. She should not have been run over, she should have been arrested and thrown in jail.
If I lived by a military base and I didn't like the noise when they were conducting weapons training I can't just go over to the base and stand in front of them in protest to stop them. I would be arrested.
Heroine no, criminal yes
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First of all it has long been my conviction that while NIK is funny on Anything Goes, the guy is absoloutely clueless in this section of the board.
C2Knuckles makes the point that the guy driving the bulldozer was doing his job. I'm sure he was, and he will recieve his pay packet from Mr Sharon at the end of the month. The fact that Knuckles doesn't seem to grasp however is that this bulldozer was sent out to demolish Palestinian homes. Why? Because the attempted ethnic cleansing from the ultra-facist government of Sharon goes on. And this protester felt that this was not acceptable. So she did something about it. And yeah Knuckles, she may have been breaking some laws, but can you comprehend that she felt that she couldn't have it on here conscience that a bulldozer would be allowed to go in and just destroy homes. So yeah, throw her in jail! Whoops we killed her! Stupid bitch she shouldn't have been there in the first place. It's not really acceptable is it C2?
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i'm applaud her conviction , and loath the dumb fuck who ran her over BUT
that bitch is a fucking idiot
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The fact that Knuckles doesn't seem to grasp however is that this bulldozer was sent out to demolish Palestinian homes. Why? Because the attempted ethnic cleansing from the ultra-facist government of Sharon goes on. And this protester felt that this was not acceptable. So she did something about it.
I don't know the whole story about why the authorities in Isreal felt nescessary to bulldoze those houses, so I won't coment on that aspect.
I understand that she was protesting something that she did not believe was right. She can do that and all the power to her but she shouldn't break any laws doing it.
And yeah Knuckles, she may have been breaking some laws, but can you comprehend that she felt that she couldn't have it on here conscience that a bulldozer would be allowed to go in and just destroy homes. So yeah, throw her in jail! Whoops we killed her! Stupid bitch she shouldn't have been there in the first place. It's not really acceptable is it C2?
Hell no. I doubt he would run her over intentionally, no matter what anyone says. Killing her is not the answer, he should have got out of the bulldozer and arrested her.
She shouldn't have put herself in that position in the first place. She should have protested at a safe distance because getting closer certainly doesn't give her a greater chance of accomplishing what she wants.
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Well she took that risk, and has drawn attention to the plight of those the bulldozer was affecting through her death. I know I wouldn't have done it, I don't have the courage. One man's courage is another man's stupidity.
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The bitch is a fuckin idiot like Jake said...If I was doing my job, and some idiot was throwing rocks at me, then you could bet your bottom dollar I would do the same and run them over...Especially if it was an enemy of mine...RIP to her, but this girl is stupid as fuck...C2Knuckles is my new favorite poster...PeaCe
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First of all it has long been my conviction that while NIK is funny on Anything Goes, the guy is absoloutely clueless in this section of the board.
C2Knuckles makes the point that the guy driving the bulldozer was doing his job. I'm sure he was, and he will recieve his pay packet from Mr Sharon at the end of the month. The fact that Knuckles doesn't seem to grasp however is that this bulldozer was sent out to demolish Palestinian homes. Why?
'Cause homes of terrorists NEED to be demolished,....
the only ones who are ultra racist, are all the Jihad preachers in the authority....who brainwash their youngenz to suicide bombing...
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The bitch is a fuckin idiot like Jake said...If I was doing my job, and some idiot was throwing rocks at me, then you could bet your bottom dollar I would do the same and run them over...Especially if it was an enemy of mine...RIP to her, but this girl is stupid as fuck...C2Knuckles is my new favorite poster...PeaCe
Retard. You were my boy until you said you'd murder someone for throwing rocks at you, when you were illegally demolishing homes.
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So C2, all the activists down through history who got you the rights you now enjoy did so by diligently following the laws.
The fact is who gives israel the right to demolish homes in the first place? It is a fundamental human right. I dont understand how you people cant understand walking the walk and not just talking the talk.
Fuck the driver, and RIP rachel, maybe because of you we wont see this again in the future.
And fuck u nik, you really show your immaturity when u post shit like that
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'Cause homes of terrorists NEED to be demolished,....
the only ones who are ultra racist, are all the Jihad preachers in the authority....who brainwash their youngenz to suicide bombing...
Your racism and ignorance makes my insides die. Your idiocy makes every single effort made by every single activist worthless. This one post has stopped life worth living.
NOT ALL PALESTINIANS ARE TERRORISTS, YOU CHILD-MOLESTING SUPPORTER OF STATE TERRORISM
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So C2, all the activists down through history who got you the rights you now enjoy did so by diligently following the laws.
I'm sure some of them didn't but breaking the law isn't good most of the time, look at what happened. If she didn't trespass and cause mischief she would be alive today and continuing to protest for what she believes.
The fact is who gives israel the right to demolish homes in the first place?
Well, I'm not sure who exactly was the owner of that property before but since they were destroying the home I assume the government seized it, making it government property so they can do that if they wish.
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Well, I'm not sure who exactly was the owner of that property before but since they were destroying the home I assume the government seized it, making it government property so they can do that if they wish.
Now that opens a whole can of worms over who SHOULD own that land, etc.
Also, you said if she hadn't protested, she'd still be alive, etc; if Gandhi hand't protested, he'd sitll be alive. Not today, maybe, but for many more years after he died. But India would still be ruled by the UK. And as India hadn't seceded, it's unlikely the UK would have allowed its African provinces freedom. And so on.
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Also, you said if she hadn't protested, she'd still be alive, etc;
If she didn't trespass and cause mischief she would be alive today and continuing to protest for what she believes.
She can protest without doing that.
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Also, you said if she hadn't protested, she'd still be alive, etc;
If she didn't trespass and cause mischief she would be alive today and continuing to protest for what she believes.
She can protest without doing that.
You know precisely what I mean. Protesting in the way she did.
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How was she trespassing when it said she was living in the area. Stopping a bulldozer knocking down a persons house illegally isnt acting mischiefously. If u saw canadians knocking down an americans house up there would u just sit back and review the law book to see wat u can or cannot do? on second thoughts, maybe u would...
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I Have 0 sympathy for her.
Who the hell does she think she is, to travel across the world, and stand in front of a bulldozer of a government, and think she's not going to lose her life? What do people expect? You interfere with war, you might die.
I applaud her bravery, and that's great she's standing up for what she believes in, but she had neither the power nor the resources to stop the conflict. All her death is gonna do is make things worse. Now the palestinians are more pissed, people are more pissed at the Israelis, etc. etc.
If she would have stood BESIDE the bulldozer, and PEACEFULLY protested, instead of getting INVOLVED, in the WAY of things, then the outcome would have been different. Instead, she's just sparked more hatred. Way to protest war.
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I Have 0 sympathy for her.
Who the hell does she think she is, to travel across the world, and stand in front of a bulldozer of a government, and think she's not going to lose her life? What do people expect? You interfere with war, you might die.
I applaud her bravery, and that's great she's standing up for what she believes in, but she had neither the power nor the resources to stop the conflict. All her death is gonna do is make things worse. Now the palestinians are more pissed, people are more pissed at the Israelis, etc. etc.
If she would have stood BESIDE the bulldozer, and PEACEFULLY protested, instead of getting INVOLVED, in the WAY of things, then the outcome would have been different. Instead, she's just sparked more hatred. Way to protest war.
I don't think I said I ever had sympathy for her. I respect her, and will mourn her. But sympathy is something given to those who couldn't get out of the way.
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How was she trespassing when it said she was living in the area.
Since the bulldozers where ordered to demolish the homes I can assume that it has become government property, and I'm sure she was not wanted there.
Stopping a bulldozer knocking down a persons house illegally isnt acting mischiefously
Well, I'm not too familar with the law in Isreal but I assume the law is similar to the law in Canada.
In Criminal Code of Canada Section 430(1)(a) states "Every one commits mischief who willfully destroys or damages property"
She is guilty of that by hitting the bulldozer (property) with rocks.
and C.C. Sec 430(1)(c) states "Every one commits mischief who willfully obstructs, interrupts or interferes with any person in the lawful use, enjoyment or operation of property."
She is guilty of that clearly.
So I'm just assuming that the law in Isreal is similar to this and if she did that in Canada and I was the bulldozer operater I would stop the machine get out and place her under arrest.
If u saw canadians knocking down an americans house up there would u just sit back and review the law book to see wat u can or cannot do?
I don't get this example. An America house would be on American land I assume and Canada has no control over that land.
This is Isreal doing something on thier own land.
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This is Isreal doing something on thier own land.
*backs away from the can of opened worms*
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Keep this in mind:
There has been a genocide in Rwanda, an ethnic cleansing in Yugoslavia, periodic and horrifying communal "strife" in Indonesia's East Timor, the "disappearance" of a few hundred thousand refugees in the Congo, a decades-long and culturally devastating occupation of Tibet by the People's Republic of China . . . but none of those U.N. member states has ever been subjected to the rebuke of a General Assembly "emergency special session." Israel has, though, repeatedly.
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Whoever feels sorry for this girl is an idiot...Owen, you too...They were LEGALLY knocking down homes of terrorists (ordered by the government), and this dumb bitch stood in the way and refused to move, and when she was asked to move, she threw rocks...Since this board is so fascinated with Gangsters, let me use Gangs as an example...Imagine Israelis are Bloods, and Palastiniens are Crips...Do you think a Blood would take that shit from a Crip? I know I sure as hell wouldn't tolerate some one throwing rocks at me...ESPECIALLY if it was a member of the oppisite gang...PeACe
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Whoever feels sorry for this girl is an idiot...Owen, you too...They were LEGALLY knocking down homes of terrorists (ordered by the government), and this dumb bitch stood in the way and refused to move, and when she was asked to move, she threw rocks...Since this board is so fascinated with Gangsters, let me use Gangs as an example...Imagine Israelis are Bloods, and Palastiniens are Crips...Do you think a Blood would take that shit from a Crip? I know I sure as hell wouldn't tolerate some one throwing rocks at me...ESPECIALLY if it was a member of the oppisite gang...PeACe
1) So the status quo is automatically right?
2) So, you run over a rival gang members for throwing a rock at you? LMAO...I love the analogy, cause gangs are gay as fuck.
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Whoever feels sorry for this girl is an idiot...Owen, you too...They were LEGALLY knocking down homes of terrorists (ordered by the government), and this dumb bitch stood in the way and refused to move, and when she was asked to move, she threw rocks...Since this board is so fascinated with Gangsters, let me use Gangs as an example...Imagine Israelis are Bloods, and Palastiniens are Crips...Do you think a Blood would take that shit from a Crip? I know I sure as hell wouldn't tolerate some one throwing rocks at me...ESPECIALLY if it was a member of the oppisite gang...PeACe
1) So the status quo is automatically right?
2) So, you run over a rival gang members for throwing a rock at you? LMAO...I love the analogy, cause gangs are gay as fuck.
Let's say you got hit by a rock thrown by your worst enemy, and when you asked them to get out of the way, they refused and continued hitting you with rocks which was getting in the way of your job...wouldn't you wanna kill them?
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Let's say you got hit by a rock thrown by your worst enemy, and when you asked them to get out of the way, they refused and continued hitting you with rocks which was getting in the way of your job...wouldn't you wanna kill them?
a) how is one girl stopping a bulldozer knocking down a house on what Israel recognizes may soon be part of a Palestinian territory Israel's worst enemy?
b) I might feel angry with them, but how does that justify me running them down and destroying their family's lives? Just to get anger out of my system, I should give the terror cause a martyr and ruin a family's lives? Uh, okay then.
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She was trying to stop them from knocking down homes of terrorists...In that case, she herself is most likely a terrorist/terrorist-supporter...Whatever though...You can support terrorism if you want...That's up to you...PeACe
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She was trying to stop them from knocking down homes of terrorists...In that case, she herself is most likely a terrorist/terrorist-supporter...Whatever though...You can support terrorism if you want...That's up to you...PeACe
Do you have PROOF the occupants of an entire town were terrorists?
Or are ALL Palestinians terrorists. Of course they are. ::)
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Also, how does opposing an Israeli bulldozer running down a peaceful protestor (she wans't the one throwing rocks) make me a supporter of terrorism? You're too close to this. You gotta step aay.
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They didn't knock down a whole town... The bulldozers knoced down a couple of homes belonging to terrorists...I never said all Palastiniens are terrorists, but that lady sure was...Throwing rocks is a terrorist act, and that's exactly what she did...In no way was she peacefull...You're acting like the guy in the bulldozer went after her in a desperate attempt to kill her...No...The girl was a stupid bitch begging to get ran the fuck over...Bottom line.
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They didn't knock down a whole town... The bulldozers knoced down a couple of homes belonging to terrorists...I never said all Palastiniens are terrorists, but that lady sure was...Throwing rocks is a terrorist act, and that's exactly what she did...In no way was she peacefull...You're acting like the guy in the bulldozer went after her in a desperate attempt to kill her...No...The girl was a stupid bitch begging to get ran the fuck over...Bottom line.
Are you fuckin kidding me? Throwing a rock makes you a terrorist? Id call you a Zionists, but I wouldnt want to insult their intelligence. If throwing a rock is a terrorist act, then what is the Military response of Israel? Justified self defence? If you're honestly telling me, this woman is a "stupid bitch", then you confirm every anti Israeli commentator's belief that American Jews are more patriotic to Israel than America. You make me sick. An american is killed for protesting an illegal inhumane act, and you insult her? You're pathetic.
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They didn't knock down a whole town... The bulldozers knoced down a couple of homes belonging to terrorists...I never said all Palastiniens are terrorists, but that lady sure was...Throwing rocks is a terrorist act, and that's exactly what she did...In no way was she peacefull...You're acting like the guy in the bulldozer went after her in a desperate attempt to kill her...No...The girl was a stupid bitch begging to get ran the fuck over...Bottom line.
Are you fuckin kidding me? Throwing a rock makes you a terrorist? Id call you a Zionists, but I wouldnt want to insult their intelligence. If throwing a rock is a terrorist act, then what is the Military response of Israel? Justified self defence? If you're honestly telling me, this woman is a "stupid bitch", then you confirm every anti Israeli commentator's belief that American Jews are more patriotic to Israel than America. You make me sick. An american is killed for protesting an illegal inhumane act, and you insult her? You're pathetic.
I never said throwing rocks makes you a terrorist, but rather something a terrorist would be most likely to do...She is a stupid bitch because she stood in front of a bulldozer...Anyone who stands in front of a bulldozer intentionally is a stupid bitch...Goodbye
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You SPECIFICALLY said "throwing rocks is a terrorist act".
If someone is commiting a terrorist act, then wouldnt that by YOUR definition make them a terrorist? Speak up, Elior, Im unclear on what your argument is.
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'Cause homes of terrorists NEED to be demolished,....
the only ones who are ultra racist, are all the Jihad preachers in the authority....who brainwash their youngenz to suicide bombing...
Your racism and ignorance makes my insides die. Your idiocy makes every single effort made by every single activist worthless. This one post has stopped life worth living.
NOT ALL PALESTINIANS ARE TERRORISTS, YOU CHILD-MOLESTING SUPPORTER OF STATE TERRORISM
I guess your insides died the same moment your brain died, The fact there needs to be a punishment( some kind of a pre-emptive action that will slow down or even stop upcoming killers) for radical nut cases who pathologicly believe in a prosperous afterlife as a repayment for their in-human dids, is not something u can argue, we can't simply let them continue with their
dids and remain untouchable....no government in it's right mind would. Why do u think an Israeli Bulldozer would atempt to knock down a Palestinian house, for fun?....or cause your local anti Israeli propoganda spot said Israel IS a terroristic state...
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Im sorry for the Girl, RIP....but I guess God don't like stupid.
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HAHAHAHAHA
"throwing rocks is a terrorist act"
man your so fuckin bent. so anyone who ever threw rocks at police terrorising nationalist neighbourhood in northern ireland is a terrorist. When british forces rolled through dublins inner city when they were in control and petrol bombs were thrown at them thats terrorism. Man shut the fuck up. Terrorism is terror against civilians. so which sounds more like terrorism?
Someone throwing rocks at a tank. No.
A tank destroying a house of a civilian unjustly. Yes.
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I guess your insides died the same moment your brain died, The fact there needs to be a punishment( some kind of a pre-emptive action that will slow down or even stop upcoming killers) for radical nut cases who pathologicly believe in a prosperous afterlife as a repayment for their in-human dids, is not something u can argue, we can't simply let them continue with their
dids and remain untouchable....no government in it's right mind would. Why do u think an Israeli Bulldozer would atempt to knock down a Palestinian house, for fun?....or cause your local anti Israeli propoganda spot said Israel IS a terroristic state...
Have you seen the movie Minority Report? Or read the book 1984?
I guess those are perfect societal models.
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^^They were knocking down homes of terrorists, now shut the fuck up man...Please...You're supporting terrorism...You're falling into their trap...
Terrorism: The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.
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The Israeli govt doesnt JUST knock down the houses of terrorists.
First of all, most of these terrorists are either dead or languishing in Israeli prisons. Its their family that suffer. And when you destroy the home of a criminal, you are involving their family. That is collective punishment, that is illegal under international law.
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Terrorism: The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.
So throwing stones is going to intimidate or coerce societys or governments, for ideological or political reasons? You think the tanks feel intimidated by a few stone throwers? Or vice versa? I want a Yes/No answer and dont change the subject, you brought up the definition of terrorism.
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nik,,,,, honestly.. i cant belive my eyes
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Terrorism: The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.
So throwing stones is going to intimidate or coerce societys or governments, for ideological or political reasons? You think the tanks feel intimidated by a few stone throwers? Or vice versa? I want a Yes/No answer and dont change the subject, you brought up the definition of terrorism.
yes...
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^^They were knocking down homes of terrorists, now shut the fuck up man...Please...You're supporting terrorism...You're falling into their trap...
Terrorism: The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.
You also say tanks were intimidated by rocks.
NO!!! BETTER TURN MY KADESH AMD M1A2 TANKS ROUND AND RUN AWAY, CAUSE THEY GOT STICKS AND STONES!!!!!!!!!
So, because some poverty stricken Palestinians were throwing rocks, an Israeli bulldozer ran over and killed a peaceful protestor?
Also, you may not realize, but Israel, whilst doing that action, were also knocking down an ENTIRE SUBURB OF RAFAH. That's not even collective punishment of terrorists' families; that's tantamount to forcing the entire Palestinian population into ghettos.
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So, because some poverty stricken Palestinians were throwing rocks, an Israeli bulldozer ran over and killed a peaceful protestor?
What don't you get? The protester was NOT peacefull...Throwing rocks is not a part of protesting...Is that so hard to understand?
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What don't you get? The protester was NOT peacefull...Throwing rocks is not a part of protesting...Is that so hard to understand?
Do you read the Israeli newspapers? Even they say Rachel wasn't throwing stones now. They have it on tape. She was peacefully protesting. Other Palestinians were throwing stones, yes. But not the white girl.
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What don't you get? The protester was NOT peacefull...Throwing rocks is not a part of protesting...Is that so hard to understand?
Do you read the Israeli newspapers? Even they say Rachel wasn't throwing stones now. They have it on tape. She was peacefully protesting. Other Palestinians were throwing stones, yes. But not the white girl.
Peacefully protesting would be standing on the side and holding up a sign...not getting in the way of the job...PeACe
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Peacefully protesting would be standing on the side and holding up a sign...not getting in the way of the job...PeACe
Ever heard of a man called Gandhi?
Peaceful protesting, to the vast majority of people, includes standing in the way.
I guess sit-ins are terroristic too? And peace vigils? LOL
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Peacefully protesting would be standing on the side and holding up a sign...not getting in the way of the job...PeACe
Ever heard of a man called Gandhi?
Peaceful protesting, to the vast majority of people, includes standing in the way.
I guess sit-ins are terroristic too? And peace vigils? LOL
Done disagree with the smart jew boy.. He mite call u an idiot.
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Done disagree with the smart jew boy.. He mite call u an idiot.
LOL
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I meant "Dont"..U can prolly figure it out tho
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Peacefully protesting would be standing on the side and holding up a sign...not getting in the way of the job...PeACe
Ever heard of a man called Gandhi?
Peaceful protesting, to the vast majority of people, includes standing in the way.
I guess sit-ins are terroristic too? And peace vigils? LOL
I guess throwing rocks is considered peacefull in Palastine... :-\
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I guess throwing rocks is considered peacefull in Palastine... :-\
I guess running over people who haven't done anything is considered normal in Israel.
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I guess throwing rocks is considered peacefull in Palastine... :-\
I guess running over people who haven't done anything is considered normal in Israel.
I guess throwing rocks is considered "not doing anything" in Palastine
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I guess throwing rocks is considered "not doing anything" in Palastine
I guess ignoring the fact Rachel wasn't throwing rocks is standard practice for NIK.
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NIK's a running joke in this forum.
I find him funny, because he knows nothing lol
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NIK's a running joke in this forum.
I find him funny, because he knows nothing lol
lol
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^ shouldnt u be running to NIKs rescue? Spineless coward
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^ shouldnt u be running to NIKs rescue? Spineless coward
^ should shut up and put that Bin Laden cock in his mouth again
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^ shouldnt u be running to NIKs rescue? Spineless coward
So he's no longer allowed to have a sense of humour? I see.
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What don't you get? The protester was NOT peacefull...Throwing rocks is not a part of protesting...Is that so hard to understand?
Do you read the Israeli newspapers? Even they say Rachel wasn't throwing stones now. They have it on tape. She was peacefully protesting. Other Palestinians were throwing stones, yes. But not the white girl.
LOL....so I guess, an Israeli bulldozer intentionally ran down a helpless woman right?- oh yeah, we're all animals here man, we see an arab on the street while driving, we stop to aim at him, and than take the guy down, in fact this is one of the first things any Israeli driving teacher teaches u at the driving lesson here.
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LOL....so I guess, an Israeli bulldozer intentionally ran down a helpless woman right?- oh yeah, we're all animals here man, we see an arab on the street while driving, we stop to aim at him, and than take the guy down, in fact this is one of the first things any Israeli driving teacher teaches u at the driving lesson here.
Um, I Geezy, I never actually said that. NIK said that the bulldozer was justified in running her down; I proved how it wasn't.
I never said he actually DID run the girl down on purpose. Please stop catching feelings from insults that aren't there.
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really, than why this>> "I guess running over people who haven't done anything is considered normal in Israel."....?-
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when mods and veterans beef, sumthin might go wrong... well it does anyway
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really, than why this>> "I guess running over people who haven't done anything is considered normal in Israel."....?-
Must I quote again from the Book of Owen?
PLEASE INVESTIGATE CONCEPT: PARODY
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Yeah Igeezy's right...The first two words thaught to newborn children are "Kill Palastiniens"...
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Hey, lil girl. When did u start thinkin u had something to offer to these conversations. Run along to the G Spot, unveil a new ass.
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Hey, lil girl. When did u start thinkin u had something to offer to these conversations. Run along to the G Spot, unveil a new ass.
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Hey, lil girl. When did u start thinkin u had something to offer to these conversations. Run along to the G Spot, unveil a new ass.
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Dude, do u have a mind? Is your brain functional? Are you able to use it? Seriously, can we screen for posters in the TOT? An anti retard filter perhaps?