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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: Sccit on April 16, 2015, 06:30:52 PM
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MJ - Bird - Magic - Kobe
Not to be bias but I think Kareem should replace Bird
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:laugh: yeah let's just ignore the entire sport until the 1980s brehs
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u soundin like a true coli poster now
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I think you need Russell. So I'd go Russell, Magic, Jordan, Kareem.
I like Kobe but his career is not done yet and once it is we can debate it. It's like trying to add Obama to Mt. Rushmore, and that may happen because he's the first black president and that might be a movement some day. But for now, I'd leave it at that 4.
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who the fuck would advocate adding OBAMA to Mt. Rushmore? that's right, M DOGG :laugh:
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who the fuck would advocate adding OBAMA to Mt. Rushmore? that's right, M DOGG :laugh:
The movement begins now... LMAO... I'm just saying more like how crazy it is to add Kobe rather than saying I think we should add Obama. I can see it being a thing in like 50 years, the Al Sharpton of 2065 saying not adding Obama is racist. With that said, Kobe is still playing, it's crazy to put him on now.
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who the fuck would advocate adding OBAMA to Mt. Rushmore? that's right, M DOGG :laugh:
lmao
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who the fuck would advocate adding OBAMA to Mt. Rushmore? that's right, M DOGG :laugh:
The movement begins now... LMAO... I'm just saying more like how crazy it is to add Kobe rather than saying I think we should add Obama. I can see it being a thing in like 50 years, the Al Sharpton of 2065 saying not adding Obama is racist. With that said, Kobe is still playing, it's crazy to put him on now.
durant's played against kobe....he has more say than u.
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who the fuck would advocate adding OBAMA to Mt. Rushmore? that's right, M DOGG :laugh:
The movement begins now... LMAO... I'm just saying more like how crazy it is to add Kobe rather than saying I think we should add Obama. I can see it being a thing in like 50 years, the Al Sharpton of 2065 saying not adding Obama is racist. With that said, Kobe is still playing, it's crazy to put him on now.
durant's played against kobe....he has more say than u.
As I said, putting Kobe on the Mt. Rushmore right now would be as silly as putting on Obama on now. Now in a few years we everyone will look at Kobe's career as a whole and can reflect on how it ended, then you can. Durant also didn't include anyone who played before he was born, so he had a very current player bias. Which as a history person, I find a bit short sighted but those are the players he modeled his game after. So I can see it for him.
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who the fuck would advocate adding OBAMA to Mt. Rushmore? that's right, M DOGG :laugh:
The movement begins now... LMAO... I'm just saying more like how crazy it is to add Kobe rather than saying I think we should add Obama. I can see it being a thing in like 50 years, the Al Sharpton of 2065 saying not adding Obama is racist. With that said, Kobe is still playing, it's crazy to put him on now.
durant's played against kobe....he has more say than u.
As I said, putting Kobe on the Mt. Rushmore right now would be as silly as putting on Obama on now. Now in a few years we everyone will look at Kobe's career as a whole and can reflect on how it ended, then you can. Durant also didn't include anyone who played before he was born, so he had a very current player bias. Which as a history person, I find a bit short sighted but those are the players he modeled his game after. So I can see it for him.
difference is, kobe is one of the greatests ever, hands down.......obama is not. the end.
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who the fuck would advocate adding OBAMA to Mt. Rushmore? that's right, M DOGG :laugh:
The movement begins now... LMAO... I'm just saying more like how crazy it is to add Kobe rather than saying I think we should add Obama. I can see it being a thing in like 50 years, the Al Sharpton of 2065 saying not adding Obama is racist. With that said, Kobe is still playing, it's crazy to put him on now.
durant's played against kobe....he has more say than u.
As I said, putting Kobe on the Mt. Rushmore right now would be as silly as putting on Obama on now. Now in a few years we everyone will look at Kobe's career as a whole and can reflect on how it ended, then you can. Durant also didn't include anyone who played before he was born, so he had a very current player bias. Which as a history person, I find a bit short sighted but those are the players he modeled his game after. So I can see it for him.
difference is, kobe is one of the greatests ever, hands down.......obama is not. the end.
Is he top 4? And is he top 4 right now? Is he better than Russell? Magic? MJ? Kareem? Bird? Wilt? I'd say he's on that top level. He will go down as the best post-Jordan player ever. But is he above those players? I think he'll be top 4 when it's all said and done. It's hard, but I want to give him Magic's spot. But right now, I'm not completely sold. If he can somehow guide the Lakers to the playoffs and somehow win, it's a wrap, he's a top 2 player of all time, maybe number 1. But is career is not done, so I'm not willing to go as far as to say he's in the Mt. Rushmore of players right now.
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who the fuck would advocate adding OBAMA to Mt. Rushmore? that's right, M DOGG :laugh:
The movement begins now... LMAO... I'm just saying more like how crazy it is to add Kobe rather than saying I think we should add Obama. I can see it being a thing in like 50 years, the Al Sharpton of 2065 saying not adding Obama is racist. With that said, Kobe is still playing, it's crazy to put him on now.
durant's played against kobe....he has more say than u.
As I said, putting Kobe on the Mt. Rushmore right now would be as silly as putting on Obama on now. Now in a few years we everyone will look at Kobe's career as a whole and can reflect on how it ended, then you can. Durant also didn't include anyone who played before he was born, so he had a very current player bias. Which as a history person, I find a bit short sighted but those are the players he modeled his game after. So I can see it for him.
difference is, kobe is one of the greatests ever, hands down.......obama is not. the end.
Is he top 4? And is he top 4 right now? Is he better than Russell? Magic? MJ? Kareem? Bird? Wilt? I'd say he's on that top level. He will go down as the best post-Jordan player ever. But is he above those players? I think he'll be top 4 when it's all said and done. It's hard, but I want to give him Magic's spot. But right now, I'm not completely sold. If he can somehow guide the Lakers to the playoffs and somehow win, it's a wrap, he's a top 2 player of all time, maybe number 1. But is career is not done, so I'm not willing to go as far as to say he's in the Mt. Rushmore of players right now.
there are about ten players who are interchangeable at number 1 and he's one of em
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who the fuck would advocate adding OBAMA to Mt. Rushmore? that's right, M DOGG :laugh:
The movement begins now... LMAO... I'm just saying more like how crazy it is to add Kobe rather than saying I think we should add Obama. I can see it being a thing in like 50 years, the Al Sharpton of 2065 saying not adding Obama is racist. With that said, Kobe is still playing, it's crazy to put him on now.
durant's played against kobe....he has more say than u.
As I said, putting Kobe on the Mt. Rushmore right now would be as silly as putting on Obama on now. Now in a few years we everyone will look at Kobe's career as a whole and can reflect on how it ended, then you can. Durant also didn't include anyone who played before he was born, so he had a very current player bias. Which as a history person, I find a bit short sighted but those are the players he modeled his game after. So I can see it for him.
difference is, kobe is one of the greatests ever, hands down.......obama is not. the end.
Is he top 4? And is he top 4 right now? Is he better than Russell? Magic? MJ? Kareem? Bird? Wilt? I'd say he's on that top level. He will go down as the best post-Jordan player ever. But is he above those players? I think he'll be top 4 when it's all said and done. It's hard, but I want to give him Magic's spot. But right now, I'm not completely sold. If he can somehow guide the Lakers to the playoffs and somehow win, it's a wrap, he's a top 2 player of all time, maybe number 1. But is career is not done, so I'm not willing to go as far as to say he's in the Mt. Rushmore of players right now.
there are about ten players who are interchangeable at number 1 and he's one of em
really? I have MJ, Russell, Magic as a team player, but I don't have Kobe yet.
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who the fuck would advocate adding OBAMA to Mt. Rushmore? that's right, M DOGG :laugh:
The movement begins now... LMAO... I'm just saying more like how crazy it is to add Kobe rather than saying I think we should add Obama. I can see it being a thing in like 50 years, the Al Sharpton of 2065 saying not adding Obama is racist. With that said, Kobe is still playing, it's crazy to put him on now.
durant's played against kobe....he has more say than u.
As I said, putting Kobe on the Mt. Rushmore right now would be as silly as putting on Obama on now. Now in a few years we everyone will look at Kobe's career as a whole and can reflect on how it ended, then you can. Durant also didn't include anyone who played before he was born, so he had a very current player bias. Which as a history person, I find a bit short sighted but those are the players he modeled his game after. So I can see it for him.
difference is, kobe is one of the greatests ever, hands down.......obama is not. the end.
Is he top 4? And is he top 4 right now? Is he better than Russell? Magic? MJ? Kareem? Bird? Wilt? I'd say he's on that top level. He will go down as the best post-Jordan player ever. But is he above those players? I think he'll be top 4 when it's all said and done. It's hard, but I want to give him Magic's spot. But right now, I'm not completely sold. If he can somehow guide the Lakers to the playoffs and somehow win, it's a wrap, he's a top 2 player of all time, maybe number 1. But is career is not done, so I'm not willing to go as far as to say he's in the Mt. Rushmore of players right now.
there are about ten players who are interchangeable at number 1 and he's one of em
really? I have MJ, Russell, Magic as a team player, but I don't have Kobe yet.
u dont win back to back as the leader of a team if you're not a team player
i suggest u go kill yourself while watchin espn news "laker fan"
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who the fuck would advocate adding OBAMA to Mt. Rushmore? that's right, M DOGG :laugh:
The movement begins now... LMAO... I'm just saying more like how crazy it is to add Kobe rather than saying I think we should add Obama. I can see it being a thing in like 50 years, the Al Sharpton of 2065 saying not adding Obama is racist. With that said, Kobe is still playing, it's crazy to put him on now.
durant's played against kobe....he has more say than u.
As I said, putting Kobe on the Mt. Rushmore right now would be as silly as putting on Obama on now. Now in a few years we everyone will look at Kobe's career as a whole and can reflect on how it ended, then you can. Durant also didn't include anyone who played before he was born, so he had a very current player bias. Which as a history person, I find a bit short sighted but those are the players he modeled his game after. So I can see it for him.
difference is, kobe is one of the greatests ever, hands down.......obama is not. the end.
Is he top 4? And is he top 4 right now? Is he better than Russell? Magic? MJ? Kareem? Bird? Wilt? I'd say he's on that top level. He will go down as the best post-Jordan player ever. But is he above those players? I think he'll be top 4 when it's all said and done. It's hard, but I want to give him Magic's spot. But right now, I'm not completely sold. If he can somehow guide the Lakers to the playoffs and somehow win, it's a wrap, he's a top 2 player of all time, maybe number 1. But is career is not done, so I'm not willing to go as far as to say he's in the Mt. Rushmore of players right now.
there are about ten players who are interchangeable at number 1 and he's one of em
really? I have MJ, Russell, Magic as a team player, but I don't have Kobe yet.
i suggest u go kill yourself while watchin espn news "laker fan"
LMAO, a bit harsh don't you think?
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who the fuck would advocate adding OBAMA to Mt. Rushmore? that's right, M DOGG :laugh:
The movement begins now... LMAO... I'm just saying more like how crazy it is to add Kobe rather than saying I think we should add Obama. I can see it being a thing in like 50 years, the Al Sharpton of 2065 saying not adding Obama is racist. With that said, Kobe is still playing, it's crazy to put him on now.
durant's played against kobe....he has more say than u.
As I said, putting Kobe on the Mt. Rushmore right now would be as silly as putting on Obama on now. Now in a few years we everyone will look at Kobe's career as a whole and can reflect on how it ended, then you can. Durant also didn't include anyone who played before he was born, so he had a very current player bias. Which as a history person, I find a bit short sighted but those are the players he modeled his game after. So I can see it for him.
difference is, kobe is one of the greatests ever, hands down.......obama is not. the end.
Is he top 4? And is he top 4 right now? Is he better than Russell? Magic? MJ? Kareem? Bird? Wilt? I'd say he's on that top level. He will go down as the best post-Jordan player ever. But is he above those players? I think he'll be top 4 when it's all said and done. It's hard, but I want to give him Magic's spot. But right now, I'm not completely sold. If he can somehow guide the Lakers to the playoffs and somehow win, it's a wrap, he's a top 2 player of all time, maybe number 1. But is career is not done, so I'm not willing to go as far as to say he's in the Mt. Rushmore of players right now.
there are about ten players who are interchangeable at number 1 and he's one of em
really? I have MJ, Russell, Magic as a team player, but I don't have Kobe yet.
u dont win back to back as the leader of a team if you're not a team player
i suggest u go kill yourself while watchin espn news "laker fan"
You must have failed reading comprehension. I said Magic is a team player, I didn't say Kobe was a bad team player. I was the one who brought up his sacrifices during the three peat and his 7apg. Go back to school.
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who the fuck would advocate adding OBAMA to Mt. Rushmore? that's right, M DOGG :laugh:
The movement begins now... LMAO... I'm just saying more like how crazy it is to add Kobe rather than saying I think we should add Obama. I can see it being a thing in like 50 years, the Al Sharpton of 2065 saying not adding Obama is racist. With that said, Kobe is still playing, it's crazy to put him on now.
durant's played against kobe....he has more say than u.
As I said, putting Kobe on the Mt. Rushmore right now would be as silly as putting on Obama on now. Now in a few years we everyone will look at Kobe's career as a whole and can reflect on how it ended, then you can. Durant also didn't include anyone who played before he was born, so he had a very current player bias. Which as a history person, I find a bit short sighted but those are the players he modeled his game after. So I can see it for him.
difference is, kobe is one of the greatests ever, hands down.......obama is not. the end.
his better then U think foo
Is he top 4? And is he top 4 right now? Is he better than Russell? Magic? MJ? Kareem? Bird? Wilt? I'd say he's on that top level. He will go down as the best post-Jordan player ever. But is he above those players? I think he'll be top 4 when it's all said and done. It's hard, but I want to give him Magic's spot. But right now, I'm not completely sold. If he can somehow guide the Lakers to the playoffs and somehow win, it's a wrap, he's a top 2 player of all time, maybe number 1. But is career is not done, so I'm not willing to go as far as to say he's in the Mt. Rushmore of players right now.
there are about ten players who are interchangeable at number 1 and he's one of em
really? I have MJ, Russell, Magic as a team player, but I don't have Kobe yet.
u dont win back to back as the leader of a team if you're not a team player
i suggest u go kill yourself while watchin espn news "laker fan"
You must have failed reading comprehension. I said Magic is a team player, I didn't say Kobe was a bad team player. I was the one who brought up his sacrifices during the three peat and his 7apg. Go back to school.
his better than U think foo
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Kobe would be Joe Johnson status in the 1980's eastern conference :laugh:
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Kobe would be Joe Johnson status in the 1980's eastern conference :laugh:
mdogg agrees
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who the fuck would advocate adding OBAMA to Mt. Rushmore? that's right, M DOGG :laugh:
The movement begins now... LMAO... I'm just saying more like how crazy it is to add Kobe rather than saying I think we should add Obama. I can see it being a thing in like 50 years, the Al Sharpton of 2065 saying not adding Obama is racist. With that said, Kobe is still playing, it's crazy to put him on now.
durant's played against kobe....he has more say than u.
As I said, putting Kobe on the Mt. Rushmore right now would be as silly as putting on Obama on now. Now in a few years we everyone will look at Kobe's career as a whole and can reflect on how it ended, then you can. Durant also didn't include anyone who played before he was born, so he had a very current player bias. Which as a history person, I find a bit short sighted but those are the players he modeled his game after. So I can see it for him.
difference is, kobe is one of the greatests ever, hands down.......obama is not. the end.
his better then U think foo
Is he top 4? And is he top 4 right now? Is he better than Russell? Magic? MJ? Kareem? Bird? Wilt? I'd say he's on that top level. He will go down as the best post-Jordan player ever. But is he above those players? I think he'll be top 4 when it's all said and done. It's hard, but I want to give him Magic's spot. But right now, I'm not completely sold. If he can somehow guide the Lakers to the playoffs and somehow win, it's a wrap, he's a top 2 player of all time, maybe number 1. But is career is not done, so I'm not willing to go as far as to say he's in the Mt. Rushmore of players right now.
there are about ten players who are interchangeable at number 1 and he's one of em
really? I have MJ, Russell, Magic as a team player, but I don't have Kobe yet.
u dont win back to back as the leader of a team if you're not a team player
i suggest u go kill yourself while watchin espn news "laker fan"
You must have failed reading comprehension. I said Magic is a team player, I didn't say Kobe was a bad team player. I was the one who brought up his sacrifices during the three peat and his 7apg. Go back to school.
his better than U think foo
LMFAO, Sccit, you have to be high. I said he has a chance to be top 2 or 3 all time. LOL, it's like if I don't suck Kobe's dick, that's not good enough for you. You are too much.
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who the fuck would advocate adding OBAMA to Mt. Rushmore? that's right, M DOGG :laugh:
The movement begins now... LMAO... I'm just saying more like how crazy it is to add Kobe rather than saying I think we should add Obama. I can see it being a thing in like 50 years, the Al Sharpton of 2065 saying not adding Obama is racist. With that said, Kobe is still playing, it's crazy to put him on now.
durant's played against kobe....he has more say than u.
As I said, putting Kobe on the Mt. Rushmore right now would be as silly as putting on Obama on now. Now in a few years we everyone will look at Kobe's career as a whole and can reflect on how it ended, then you can. Durant also didn't include anyone who played before he was born, so he had a very current player bias. Which as a history person, I find a bit short sighted but those are the players he modeled his game after. So I can see it for him.
difference is, kobe is one of the greatests ever, hands down.......obama is not. the end.
his better then U think foo
Is he top 4? And is he top 4 right now? Is he better than Russell? Magic? MJ? Kareem? Bird? Wilt? I'd say he's on that top level. He will go down as the best post-Jordan player ever. But is he above those players? I think he'll be top 4 when it's all said and done. It's hard, but I want to give him Magic's spot. But right now, I'm not completely sold. If he can somehow guide the Lakers to the playoffs and somehow win, it's a wrap, he's a top 2 player of all time, maybe number 1. But is career is not done, so I'm not willing to go as far as to say he's in the Mt. Rushmore of players right now.
there are about ten players who are interchangeable at number 1 and he's one of em
really? I have MJ, Russell, Magic as a team player, but I don't have Kobe yet.
u dont win back to back as the leader of a team if you're not a team player
i suggest u go kill yourself while watchin espn news "laker fan"
You must have failed reading comprehension. I said Magic is a team player, I didn't say Kobe was a bad team player. I was the one who brought up his sacrifices during the three peat and his 7apg. Go back to school.
his better than U think foo
LMFAO, Sccit, you have to be high. I said he has a chance to be top 2 or 3 all time. LOL, it's like if I don't suck Kobe's dick, that's not good enough for you. You are too much.
here U go again. arguing against Durants picks when it favors the Lakers.. face it, U simply don't bleed purple and gold. prolly a lowkey Celtic fan.
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who the fuck would advocate adding OBAMA to Mt. Rushmore? that's right, M DOGG :laugh:
The movement begins now... LMAO... I'm just saying more like how crazy it is to add Kobe rather than saying I think we should add Obama. I can see it being a thing in like 50 years, the Al Sharpton of 2065 saying not adding Obama is racist. With that said, Kobe is still playing, it's crazy to put him on now.
durant's played against kobe....he has more say than u.
As I said, putting Kobe on the Mt. Rushmore right now would be as silly as putting on Obama on now. Now in a few years we everyone will look at Kobe's career as a whole and can reflect on how it ended, then you can. Durant also didn't include anyone who played before he was born, so he had a very current player bias. Which as a history person, I find a bit short sighted but those are the players he modeled his game after. So I can see it for him.
difference is, kobe is one of the greatests ever, hands down.......obama is not. the end.
his better then U think foo
Is he top 4? And is he top 4 right now? Is he better than Russell? Magic? MJ? Kareem? Bird? Wilt? I'd say he's on that top level. He will go down as the best post-Jordan player ever. But is he above those players? I think he'll be top 4 when it's all said and done. It's hard, but I want to give him Magic's spot. But right now, I'm not completely sold. If he can somehow guide the Lakers to the playoffs and somehow win, it's a wrap, he's a top 2 player of all time, maybe number 1. But is career is not done, so I'm not willing to go as far as to say he's in the Mt. Rushmore of players right now.
there are about ten players who are interchangeable at number 1 and he's one of em
really? I have MJ, Russell, Magic as a team player, but I don't have Kobe yet.
u dont win back to back as the leader of a team if you're not a team player
i suggest u go kill yourself while watchin espn news "laker fan"
You must have failed reading comprehension. I said Magic is a team player, I didn't say Kobe was a bad team player. I was the one who brought up his sacrifices during the three peat and his 7apg. Go back to school.
his better than U think foo
LMFAO, Sccit, you have to be high. I said he has a chance to be top 2 or 3 all time. LOL, it's like if I don't suck Kobe's dick, that's not good enough for you. You are too much.
here U go again. arguing against Durants picks when it favors the Lakers.. face it, U simply don't bleed purple and gold. prolly a lowkey Celtic fan.
I put Magic there. Is he not a Laker??
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I put two Lakers actually, Kareem and Magic. You are higher than shit right now. A lonely pathetic Friday night for LA's Most Blunted.
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I put two Lakers actually, Kareem and Magic. You are higher than shit right now. A lonely pathetic Friday night for LA's Most Blunted.
lol U soundin mad as hell, like I hit a lil too close to home.. night hasn't even started on this end, my Celtic fan friend.
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I put two Lakers actually, Kareem and Magic. You are higher than shit right now. A lonely pathetic Friday night for LA's Most Blunted.
lol U soundin mad as hell, like I hit a lil too close to home.. night hasn't even started on this end, my Celtic fan friend.
HAHAHA.... I'm just fucking with you. But man, it's 8:35pm, you already high as a muthaphukka alone infront of your computer mad someone put 2 Lakers on their Mt. Rushmore and one wasn't Kobe... LOL.
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I put two Lakers actually, Kareem and Magic. You are higher than shit right now. A lonely pathetic Friday night for LA's Most Blunted.
lol U soundin mad as hell, like I hit a lil too close to home.. night hasn't even started on this end, my Celtic fan friend.
HAHAHA.... I'm just fucking with you. But man, it's 8:35pm, you already high as a muthaphukka alone infront of your computer mad someone put 2 Lakers on their Mt. Rushmore and one wasn't Kobe... LOL.
brobro, who even posts from a computer anymore? U over here makin double posts n shit tryna protecting your laker fandom and then callin me mad lol cmon g
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the Lakers mt rushmore wouldn't even include Kobe
Magic, Kareem, Jerry and the big Shaqtus
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the Lakers mt rushmore wouldn't even include Kobe
Magic, Kareem, Jerry and the big Shaqtus
:laugh:
You forgot Mikan and Baylor. But Kobe will be number 2 Laker unless he wins another title then he is number 1. Overall, because of his time on the Bucks, I put Kareem slighty over Kobe. But you know who is not on Mt. Rushmore, and would be? LeBron.
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i could see someone justifying putting Kobe over Kareem and Shaq due to them having great seasons outside of the Lakers
Magic? no way.
West? yes because West sucked at winning titles but white people love him cuz HEZ DA LOGO!!@!
my non trolling Lakers mt rushmore is Magic, Kareem, Shaq and Kobe - West #5 - Shaq over West because Shaq won 3 straight finals AND finals MVP's as a Laker.
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i could see someone justifying putting Kobe over Kareem and Shaq due to them having great seasons outside of the Lakers
Magic? no way.
West? yes because West sucked at winning titles but white people love him cuz HEZ DA LOGO!!@!
my non trolling Lakers mt rushmore is Magic, Kareem, Shaq and Kobe - West #5 - Shaq over West because Shaq won 3 straight finals AND finals MVP's as a Laker.
Yeah, if Kobe wins one more, he has 6 and Magic has 5. Kobe goes in #1. Overall NBA, Kareem is over Kobe because of his Bucks time and his greatness in the 70's. But if Kobe wins one more, Kobe is in there with the debate being Magic vs. Kareem. This year is so important to Kobe. If he can overcome the odds, then you are talking the greatest comeback story in NBA history.
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lol "IF" kobe wins another title is like saying IF the Mayan civilization reemerges or IF the Cubs win a world series :laugh:
Kobe is even defending Shaq these days because he knows how much Shaq meant to him getting 60% of his titles
http://uproxx.com/dimemag/2015/04/kobe-defends-shaqs-laziness/
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lol "IF" kobe wins another title is like saying IF the Mayan civilization reemerges or IF the Cubs win a world series :laugh:
Kobe is even defending Shaq these days because he knows how much Shaq meant to him getting 60% of his titles
http://uproxx.com/dimemag/2015/04/kobe-defends-shaqs-laziness/
But anything can happen. And all greats had great teammates. Jerry West had Wilt and Baylor, Russell had 5 HoFers. The Bulls made the conference finals without MJ, Magic had Kareem and Worthy, Duncan has Parker and Manu, Kobe had Shaq and Gasol. This teammate argument is the most ridiculous thing I ever heard. Like I use to argue with Sccit, I don't give a fuck about Kobe winning titles with as little help as possible so he can look better, making Gasol out to be a bum. Well I want the strongest Laker team possible. Full of great players and future hall of famers and others argue about who's great. I don't suck Kobe's dick. I want a complete team that will win titles.
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Ur not even a laker fan, so U can quit frontin now
btw magic already said kobe is the goat laker .. and it was widely accepted post 2010. check the numbers, kobe holds almost every laker record.
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Ur not even a laker fan, so U can quit frontin now
btw magic already said kobe is the goat laker .. and it was widely accepted post 2010. check the numbers, kobe holds almost every laker record.
only because
1-Magic got aids
2-Kobe got Shaqtus traded away
3-Kareem spent several years of his prime on the Bucks
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Ur not even a laker fan, so U can quit frontin now
btw magic already said kobe is the goat laker .. and it was widely accepted post 2010. check the numbers, kobe holds almost every laker record.
only because
1-Magic got aids
2-Kobe got Shaqtus traded away
3-Kareem spent several years of his prime on the Bucks
and mj only has 6 rings because he was drafted by the bulls and had scottie pippen as a second fiddle.......but it happened, and thats what it is
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Ur not even a laker fan, so U can quit frontin now
btw magic already said kobe is the goat laker .. and it was widely accepted post 2010. check the numbers, kobe holds almost every laker record.
Hahahaha, I'm WAAAAY more of a Laker fan than you. You are a Kobe dick sucker, not a Laker fan. Get it straight. And wipe your chin.
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Ur not even a laker fan, so U can quit frontin now
btw magic already said kobe is the goat laker .. and it was widely accepted post 2010. check the numbers, kobe holds almost every laker record.
Hahahaha, I'm WAAAAY more of a Laker fan than you. You are a Kobe dick sucker, not a Laker fan. Get it straight. And wipe your chin.
how are U way more of a laker fan when U lean towards other teams in hypotheticals, such as 80s Lakers vs 90s Bulls.... when ANYONE within the laker organization would say 80s Lakers based on pride alone..... face it, you're fairweather and don't rep the P&G to death. no need to take it out on me.. I just call em like I see em.
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M Dogg is being unbiased, that's all.
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M Dogg is being unbiased, that's all.
Celtic fans got mdoggs back
nuff said
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But Kobe will be number 2 Laker unless he wins another title then he is number 1.
That's lame. You're saying it like if the Lakers somehow win next year it'll be the Kobe show. The Lakers would of missed the playoffs if Kobe played all 82 games. The Lakers wouldn't have a chance of winning a title unless Kobe was the 3rd option at best. & I mean behind like a LeBron and/or Durant running the show big time.
That's almost like saying Ginobili's legacy would be SUBSTANTIALLY better if the Spurs win this year & he just held on long enough to still be contributing & got his 5th. If Kobe isn't #1 for you now (which is fine), you're going to give him a bump over Magic Johnson for the "ring" (which he won't even get lol, but still lol) that he contributed to the least in his career?
That's why the ring meter is absurdly flawed. Only counts when you need it for argument. Like if that hypothetical scenario I just drew out actually happened & Kobe won his 6th averaging 16.3 PPG, NIK would say "it's undeniable that MJ = Kobe because 6 = 6". That's so silly lol.
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obama on mount rushmore?
We put Uncle Sams on there not Uncle Toms
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Ur not even a laker fan, so U can quit frontin now
btw magic already said kobe is the goat laker .. and it was widely accepted post 2010. check the numbers, kobe holds almost every laker record.
Hahahaha, I'm WAAAAY more of a Laker fan than you. You are a Kobe dick sucker, not a Laker fan. Get it straight. And wipe your chin.
how are U way more of a laker fan when U lean towards other teams in hypotheticals, such as 80s Lakers vs 90s Bulls.... when ANYONE within the laker organization would say 80s Lakers based on pride alone..... face it, you're fairweather and don't rep the P&G to death. no need to take it out on me.. I just call em like I see em.
Liking Magic and Shaq over Kobe don't make me fair weather. Respecting other teams don't make me fair weather. It makes me a realist and as I get older, I can be that. I can give a fuck which team can beat which team. I asked the big homie who is older than me and watched both teams and has old Showtime tapes. He said the Bulls would win off defense and shooting. Have to trust him. And this dude wrote a song in 1999 about triangles because we got Phil Jackson.
But Kobe will be number 2 Laker unless he wins another title then he is number 1.
That's lame. You're saying it like if the Lakers somehow win next year it'll be the Kobe show. The Lakers would of missed the playoffs if Kobe played all 82 games. The Lakers wouldn't have a chance of winning a title unless Kobe was the 3rd option at best. & I mean behind like a LeBron and/or Durant running the show big time.
That's almost like saying Ginobili's legacy would be SUBSTANTIALLY better if the Spurs win this year & he just held on long enough to still be contributing & got his 5th. If Kobe isn't #1 for you now (which is fine), you're going to give him a bump over Magic Johnson for the "ring" (which he won't even get lol, but still lol) that he contributed to the least in his career?
That's why the ring meter is absurdly flawed. Only counts when you need it for argument. Like if that hypothetical scenario I just drew out actually happened & Kobe won his 6th averaging 16.3 PPG, NIK would say "it's undeniable that MJ = Kobe because 6 = 6". That's so silly lol.
I agree rings are flawed, but Kobe helping the Lakers win, even if he ain't the #1 option would be the greatest comeback in NBA history, and it can still happen. Kobe is a top 10 player all time and you can count nothing out. His career ain't done so his final place ain't set in stone yet, except Sccit who thinks he's the GOAT and if you don't then your not a Laker fan. I'll judge when his career is over.
obama on mount rushmore?
We put Uncle Sams on there not Uncle Toms
I was just saying putting Kobe on Mt. Rushmore is like putting Obama because they are both active and both have their Stans and neither deserve to go in right now. We have to see how their careers end before we start talking about Mt. Rushmore status.
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His career's over. He would have to get both legs surgically removed from his body & science would have to unleash some next generation robotic, prosthetic legs.
Nigga would have to be Darth Vader.
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HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THE FACT THAT DURANT HAS PLAYED AGAINST BOTH KOBE AND LEBRON IN THEIR PRIMES AND GREATLY FAVORS KOBE
SORTA HELPS PUT THE BSPN NARRATIVE OF LEBRON BEIN ON KOBE'S LEVEL IN PERSPECTIVE
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HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THE FACT THAT DURANT HAS PLAYED AGAINST BOTH KOBE AND LEBRON IN THEIR PRIMES AND GREATLY FAVORS KOBE
SORTA HELPS PUT THE BSPN NARRATIVE OF LEBRON BEIN ON KOBE'S LEVEL IN PERSPECTIVE
Or maybe he's just bitter about losing in the finals to Lebron and wants to play that narrative down ::)
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HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THE FACT THAT DURANT HAS PLAYED AGAINST BOTH KOBE AND LEBRON IN THEIR PRIMES AND GREATLY FAVORS KOBE
SORTA HELPS PUT THE BSPN NARRATIVE OF LEBRON BEIN ON KOBE'S LEVEL IN PERSPECTIVE
Or maybe he's just bitter about losing in the finals to Lebron and wants to play that narrative down ::)
I think the very little time both players spent in their primes together shows Kobe as a better player than LeBron. When Kobe was in his prime, LeBron wasn't able to get to that level. He played well, but he never averaged 35ppg, only 2 players since the Wilt era did that, and that's Kobe and MJ. Kobe is one of the most UNDERRATED team players ever. EVER. Kobe had to work with Smush Parker and Kwame Brown. And he still was able to shine up some shit and make a team out of them.
I'm not putting Kobe on Mt. Rushmore yet. His career has to finish and we have to look at it as a whole to rightfully judge what he did. Maybe being one of two players to get 35ppg in a season, score 81 points in a game, win 5 titles and allow himself to defer to Shaq for a year before he himself started his own run. He led the Lakers in apg during all of the 3peat years. Hell, no one gets on Magic for not scoring more than Kareem during the early years. But no one will really look at that until Kobe's career is over. So I have a hard time judging him against all the greats.
BUT I have no problem judging Kobe against the rest of the living, and LeBron hasn't shown me nothing. If he was truly the greatest player of his era, then his run with the Heat would have netted him 4 titles and 4 NBA MVP's. He'll be lucky to finish with 3 rings and he'll go down as one of the biggest disappoints ever. Especially if they ever find out his baldness is from PEDs.
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HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THE FACT THAT DURANT HAS PLAYED AGAINST BOTH KOBE AND LEBRON IN THEIR PRIMES AND GREATLY FAVORS KOBE
SORTA HELPS PUT THE BSPN NARRATIVE OF LEBRON BEIN ON KOBE'S LEVEL IN PERSPECTIVE
Or maybe he's just bitter about losing in the finals to Lebron and wants to play that narrative down ::)
I don't even think it's that. As far as LeBron goes, Durant views him as his current competition. So it's weird to put him in there. It would be like NIK saying I'm on the Mt. Rushmore of Dubcc posters. I think it's two pretty simple things though.
1. Durant was like 10-12 years old when he saw Kobe threepeat. That's like a memorable thing to watch, probably stuck with him. Then when he finally got to the league, he saw Kobe go back three more years.
2. They play a very similar style of basketball. So now a childhood hero of his, who he watch win rings & probably based his game off of coming up preparing for his own NBA career which has been phenomenal is just getting his due praises.
Bron still has at least three more years of sheer, unmatched, dominance, then at least three more of being a key piece of winning basketball. About to head to his 5th straight Finals this year, then you have the six years (barring injury) I just mentioned. & unless the Cavs bust up & he's back playing with James Jones & Matthew Dellavedova as his co-stars, he'll be the perennial favorite all those years lol.
Especially if you got guys like MDogg saying Kobe's career still has a pulse & "isn't over yet", then you might as well view LeBron like he's in his rookie season lmao.
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HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THE FACT THAT DURANT HAS PLAYED AGAINST BOTH KOBE AND LEBRON IN THEIR PRIMES AND GREATLY FAVORS KOBE
SORTA HELPS PUT THE BSPN NARRATIVE OF LEBRON BEIN ON KOBE'S LEVEL IN PERSPECTIVE
Or maybe he's just bitter about losing in the finals to Lebron and wants to play that narrative down ::)
I think the very little time both players spent in their primes together shows Kobe as a better player than LeBron. When Kobe was in his prime, LeBron wasn't able to get to that level. He played well, but he never averaged 35ppg, only 2 players since the Wilt era did that, and that's Kobe and MJ. Kobe is one of the most UNDERRATED team players ever. EVER. Kobe had to work with Smush Parker and Kwame Brown. And he still was able to shine up some shit and make a team out of them.
I'm not putting Kobe on Mt. Rushmore yet. His career has to finish and we have to look at it as a whole to rightfully judge what he did. Maybe being one of two players to get 35ppg in a season, score 81 points in a game, win 5 titles and allow himself to defer to Shaq for a year before he himself started his own run. He led the Lakers in apg during all of the 3peat years. Hell, no one gets on Magic for not scoring more than Kareem during the early years. But no one will really look at that until Kobe's career is over. So I have a hard time judging him against all the greats.
BUT I have no problem judging Kobe against the rest of the living, and LeBron hasn't shown me nothing. If he was truly the greatest player of his era, then his run with the Heat would have netted him 4 titles and 4 NBA MVP's. He'll be lucky to finish with 3 rings and he'll go down as one of the biggest disappoints ever. Especially if they ever find out his baldness is from PEDs.
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if Kobe was so good during the ball hog years how come he couldn't get passed the Suns in the first round? ::)
27-7-7 > ball hogging 35 ppg
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HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THE FACT THAT DURANT HAS PLAYED AGAINST BOTH KOBE AND LEBRON IN THEIR PRIMES AND GREATLY FAVORS KOBE
SORTA HELPS PUT THE BSPN NARRATIVE OF LEBRON BEIN ON KOBE'S LEVEL IN PERSPECTIVE
Or maybe he's just bitter about losing in the finals to Lebron and wants to play that narrative down ::)
I don't even think it's that. As far as LeBron goes, Durant views him as his current competition. So it's weird to put him in there. It would be like NIK saying I'm on the Mt. Rushmore of Dubcc posters. I think it's two pretty simple things though.
1. Durant was like 10-12 years old when he saw Kobe threepeat. That's like a memorable thing to watch, probably stuck with him. Then when he finally got to the league, he saw Kobe go back three more years.
2. They play a very similar style of basketball. So now a childhood hero of his, who he watch win rings & probably based his game off of coming up preparing for his own NBA career which has been phenomenal is just getting his due praises.
Bron still has at least three more years of sheer, unmatched, dominance, then at least three more of being a key piece of winning basketball. About to head to his 5th straight Finals this year, then you have the six years (barring injury) I just mentioned. & unless the Cavs bust up & he's back playing with James Jones & Matthew Dellavedova as his co-stars, he'll be the perennial favorite all those years lol.
Especially if you got guys like MDogg saying Kobe's career still has a pulse & "isn't over yet", then you might as well view LeBron like he's in his rookie season lmao.
or maybe durant has played against both of them and knows that kobe is head-and-shoulders above lebron....doesnt really take a genius to figure that out. we talkin about a guy who was a rebound away from being 1-5 in the finals here.
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HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THE FACT THAT DURANT HAS PLAYED AGAINST BOTH KOBE AND LEBRON IN THEIR PRIMES AND GREATLY FAVORS KOBE
SORTA HELPS PUT THE BSPN NARRATIVE OF LEBRON BEIN ON KOBE'S LEVEL IN PERSPECTIVE
Or maybe he's just bitter about losing in the finals to Lebron and wants to play that narrative down ::)
I think the very little time both players spent in their primes together shows Kobe as a better player than LeBron. When Kobe was in his prime, LeBron wasn't able to get to that level. He played well, but he never averaged 35ppg, only 2 players since the Wilt era did that, and that's Kobe and MJ. Kobe is one of the most UNDERRATED team players ever. EVER. Kobe had to work with Smush Parker and Kwame Brown. And he still was able to shine up some shit and make a team out of them.
I'm not putting Kobe on Mt. Rushmore yet. His career has to finish and we have to look at it as a whole to rightfully judge what he did. Maybe being one of two players to get 35ppg in a season, score 81 points in a game, win 5 titles and allow himself to defer to Shaq for a year before he himself started his own run. He led the Lakers in apg during all of the 3peat years. Hell, no one gets on Magic for not scoring more than Kareem during the early years. But no one will really look at that until Kobe's career is over. So I have a hard time judging him against all the greats.
BUT I have no problem judging Kobe against the rest of the living, and LeBron hasn't shown me nothing. If he was truly the greatest player of his era, then his run with the Heat would have netted him 4 titles and 4 NBA MVP's. He'll be lucky to finish with 3 rings and he'll go down as one of the biggest disappoints ever. Especially if they ever find out his baldness is from PEDs.
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if Kobe was so good during the ball hog years how come he couldn't get passed the Suns in the first round? ::)
27-7-7 > ball hogging 35 ppg
As I've said, it's all up to the team. Which is a double standard when you do put rings in it. But here is how I look at it.
When your teammates are Smush Parker, Stanislav Medvedenko and Kwame Brown, you get a pass. But when you fail to win with Dwayne Wade and Chris Bosh then yeah, that 35ppg and those playoff appearances look better than LeBron who is a career 27-7-7 but with only 2 titles on some very strong teams. On top of that, when Kobe does have a team around him, he wins. Not saying Kobe is ready to join Magic or Michael, or Russell, but I am saying that when he has a team around him, he helps that team win. He leads those teams. He shines in the big moment. He's earned his spot near the top of the mountain.
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lebron took the worst ever team to the 07 finals
save me the excuses breh
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lebron took the worst ever team to the 07 finals
save me the excuses breh
4 players in double digits, the weakest eastern division ever, no Celtics in the way, no Derek Rose yet, the east just sucked then, even for the east. Don't give me that.
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lebron took the worst ever team to the 07 finals
save me the excuses breh
4 players in double digits, the weakest eastern division ever, no Celtics in the way, no Derek Rose yet, the east just sucked then, even for the east. Don't give me that.
real talk...makin the finals in the east was equivalent to makin the playoffs in the west durin those years.
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pretend the 07 Pistons don't exist
i see you M Dogg ;D
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pretend the 07 Pistons don't exist
i see you M Dogg ;D
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I guess you can say the Pistons, but they were a bit older and slower, and had an inflated record due to being in the east. I mean, the Cavs got swept by the Spurs. That shows how bad the east was to the west.
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LOL, niggas gotta chill. The Lakers & Celtics had by far the best teams in the NBA during those years.
Yeah the West has been tougher for years, but the Lakers then compared to the rest of the West is like saying the SEC this year for Kentucky was "tougher" than the Southland conference for SF Austin lol.
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LOL, niggas gotta chill. The Lakers & Celtics had by far the best teams in the NBA during those years.
Yeah the West has been tougher for years, but the Lakers then compared to the rest of the West is like saying the SEC this year for Kentucky was "tougher" than the Southland conference for SF Austin lol.
2007, the year before KG and Allen came to save the day for Boston. The 2006-2007 year had LeBron and the Cavs, and the Pistons in the east, and everyone else sucked. And the Pistons were aging and not exactly doing as well as they did previously. The Cavs had LeBron, who was the only superstar of the two teams, and both teams were filled with role players and very solid pieces for a title team, but both were missing that core piece. This Pistons team was not nearly as good as the 2004 Pistons that beat the Lakers. The 2007 Pistons had 5 players and 2 of them were the aging Chris Weber and Rasheed Wallace. So in 2007, the Cavs vs. Pistons was the battle of role players starting LeBron James.
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That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying you guys are talking about how weak the East was for LeBron to get to the Finals with Daniel Gibson, but a year later when the Lakers & Celtics put together unstoppable teams. The West featured the defenseless Suns & a hurt Spurs team & an overrated Mavs team, a clueless Carmelo trying to be LeBron, with way more help but couldn't do it. That wasn't Kobe ripping through the West by himself, he just had a far superior team around him than everyone else. & outside of the Sacramento Kings (who every reporter including Laker beat writers said was a fix in 2002) during the first 3peat it was the same way. Best roster by far, best coach by far, even had Shaq leading the way.
Kobe has yet to do anything without Phil or the best roster in the league. Other than shoot 30% & go .500.
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lol are u serious .. that back to back laker team minus kobe doesn't even make playoffs in the west. look at what happened to Odom, Bynum, Luke, Sasha, Fisher, Farmar, Artest once they left Kobes corner.. "stacked" team lmao on a championship team where Gasol was the 2nd fiddle and Bynum barely even played due to injury .. Kobe did it with one of the least stacked teams in NBA history, so fall back wit that bs
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That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying you guys are talking about how weak the East was for LeBron to get to the Finals with Daniel Gibson, but a year later when the Lakers & Celtics put together unstoppable teams. The West featured the defenseless Suns & a hurt Spurs team & an overrated Mavs team, a clueless Carmelo trying to be LeBron, with way more help but couldn't do it. That wasn't Kobe ripping through the West by himself, he just had a far superior team around him than everyone else. & outside of the Sacramento Kings (who every reporter including Laker beat writers said was a fix in 2002) during the first 3peat it was the same way. Best roster by far, best coach by far, even had Shaq leading the way.
Kobe has yet to do anything without Phil or the best roster in the league. Other than shoot 30% & go .500.
Were you alive for the 2007-2008 season? I'm just curious. The west was stacked as usual. And in 2009. And 2010. Basically, the Lakers made it out the west 3 years in a row and all those years the west was stacked.
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LOL STACKED? Bruh...you're better than this.
Utah? Hornets? Rockets? Nuggets? Stop. They won in the regular season games. They had absolutely no chance against the Lakers depth. That's probably why the Celtics man handled them in the Finals. The Lakers were too comfortable & used to blowing through those overrated 50 win Western squads.
Looking back on those teams to now, every team in the Western playoffs this year besides the Pelicans would absolutely destroy those teams.
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LOL STACKED? Bruh...you're better than this.
Utah? Hornets? Rockets? Nuggets? Stop. They won in the regular season games. They had absolutely no chance against the Lakers depth. That's probably why the Celtics man handled them in the Finals. The Lakers were too comfortable & used to blowing through those overrated 50 win Western squads.
Looking back on those teams to now, every team in the Western playoffs this year besides the Pelicans would absolutely destroy those teams.
lol nuggets with iverson and melo.. same spurs that swept lebron in '07.. utah with d-will, boozer, okur and ak47 in their prime.. suns with nash and amare in their prime.. rockets with yao, artest, mcgrady, brooks, lowry.. same mavs that won the championship over lebron a year later....maybe u were too young to remember, but all them teams was BEAST
and then u got the laker roster from that year minus kobe
pg derek fisher
sg sasha vujacic
sf trevor ariza
pf lamar odom
c pau gasol
lmao
fall back brodie...u tryin way too hard
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You just named all the key players on the teams I just said were overrated. I know who was on the team. Not impressive at all. Iverson & Melo was absolute poison. Spurs were injured for all three of those years, Suns played no defense & we're practically the same Clippers team you say year in & year out have no chance, it was not relatively close to the same Mavs in 2007-2008 as the team that beat LeBron, you didn't even bother mentioning the Hornets & you would've if you didn't think they were overrated, Yao was injured for most of those years....did you just say Aaron Brooks? Bro, go to bed.
They were not beast teams. But your opinion is irrelevant. You're too biased to talk Lakers with, I'm speaking to MDogg. Thank you for understanding.
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remember Cham, NIK thinks that Tracy McGrady in his prime is better than Lebron :laugh:
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remember Cham, NIK thinks that Tracy McGrady in his prime is better than Lebron :laugh:
Too bad Jordan Farmar, T-Mac & Bynum couldn't team up at one point in their careers. Two players better than LeBron & young Wilt Chamberlain.
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remember Cham, NIK thinks that Tracy McGrady in his prime is better than Lebron :laugh:
Too bad Jordan Farmar, T-Mac & Bynum couldn't team up at one point in their careers. Two players better than LeBron & young Wilt Chamberlain.
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You just named all the key players on the teams I just said were overrated. I know who was on the team. Not impressive at all. Iverson & Melo was absolute poison. Spurs were injured for all three of those years, Suns played no defense & we're practically the same Clippers team you say year in & year out have no chance, it was not relatively close to the same Mavs in 2007-2008 as the team that beat LeBron, you didn't even bother mentioning the Hornets & you would've if you didn't think they were overrated, Yao was injured for most of those years....did you just say Aaron Brooks? Bro, go to bed.
They were not beast teams. But your opinion is irrelevant. You're too biased to talk Lakers with, I'm speaking to MDogg. Thank you for understanding.
i'm pretty sure your opinion is very objective, and u dont have lebrons cock on your mind.......j/k
listen, son...the west was stacked. u were too young to remember, but those teams were good. yup, even aaron brooks was once a 20 ppg player. the suns team of 2010 had an offensive rating of 115.3...that was good for first in the nba. melo and iverson nuggets were good for 54 wins, which would actually be good for 2nd place if they played in this years eastern conference. mavs with 55 wins.....and jerry sloan's jazz have ALWAYS been good. it's a system team, like the Spurs, and they excelled.
bottom line, lebron would have 0 rings right now if he played in the west
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:laugh: the lebron hatrid 12 years later is still funny ;D
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Overrated teams & Aaron Brooks had one season where he averaged 20 PPG & the Rockets missed the playoffs that year.
That statement alone proves you have no credibility in the conversation. Than you for understanding.
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Overrated teams & Aaron Brooks had one season where he averaged 20 PPG & the Rockets missed the playoffs that year.
That statement alone proves you have no credibility in the conversation. Than you for understanding.
overrated teams with better records than anyone in the east....lol ok
keep usin the straw-man argument "aaron brooks!" when i just shitted all over 13 year old beibs, who didnt even understand what he was watchin back then.
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NIK says that both Westbrook AND Durant are better than Lebron (lol) yet they play on the same team and can't beat him? WITH Harden as 6th man????? :laugh:
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NIK says that both Westbrook AND Durant are better than Lebron (lol) yet they play on the same team and can't beat him? WITH Harden as 6th man????? :laugh:
finals rookies, son
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NIK with that comedic gold ;D
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This nigga just referenced Aaron Brooks scoring 20 ppg on a team where T-Mac played less than 10 games to defend the Western conference strength for Kobe. Then goes on to change the subject as always about the East...when we're not talking about the East...we're talking how the Lakers had no real obstacles in the West. Mind-boggling stupidity.
I wish this section had more legitimacy. All we got is a guy who knows one sport, but his biased judgment only makes him valid to talk about like the Timberwolves or the Bucks. Until Jabari or Wiggins start scoring 25+ and win games. Then some dumbass on this forum will make the mistake of mentioning Kobe in the same sentence and there goes those teams.
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This nigga just referenced Aaron Brooks scoring 20 ppg on a team where T-Mac played less than 10 games to defend the Western conference strength for Kobe. Then goes on to change the subject as always about the East...when we're not talking about the East...we're talking how the Lakers had no real obstacles in the West. Mind-boggling stupidity.
I wish this section had more legitimacy. All we got is a guy who knows one sport, but his biased judgment only makes him valid to talk about like the Timberwolves or the Bucks. Until Jabari or Wiggins start scoring 25+ and win games. Then some dumbass on this forum will make the mistake of mentioning Kobe in the same sentence and there goes those teams.
i dont get it....i just detailed how they were all 50+ win teams who woulda outed pretty much any team lebron has ever played on, yet you're over here acting like i didnt break down the strengths of each team individually, focusing on a straw-man argument ("u said aaron brooks!!!") out of desperation...i even spoke on how they had better supporting casts than kobe, yet all you can say is "you're biased! nigga said aaron brooks!! stuuuuupid!!!!" <your reply in a nutshell
admit it, this is all founded on your love for lebron...any time some1 is pinned up against him, u get really detailed and start typing paragraphs about why theyre wrong. ONLY if lebron is involved....you're not even biased towards a team you root for or a player that plays for your team- just one man. it's the gayest thing i've ever seen in my life.
once again, you're projecting...u need to cut that out and maybe take some mdma so that u can find some inner peace with yourself.
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Okay, let's see here, 2008.
After revisiting the 2008 playoffs. Denver was the 8th seed. Denver was also 50-32!!! The 8th seed won 50 games!!! The east only had 3 teams win 50 games. Golden State missed the playoffs and they won 48 games.
Denver, the 8th seed also had Iverson that year. And though Iverson was older, he still scored 31 points in the playoffs, and Camby was grabbing around 15-17 rebounds a game and the Nuggets were still a good team that would have made it far in the east.
Utah was a good team, would have beat the Cavs in a playoff series that year, and the Spurs were healthy by playoffs. Everyone knows the Spurs always aim to be healthy by playoffs.
Stop trying to make it out like the Lakers were beating a bunch of nobodies. They went against the grind. And they did so without Bynum the whole run. Once Bynum came back, even limping, the Lakers were able to pull a back to back.
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Nigga, you're bugging. It's very simple to understand. Just follow.
LA was the UK of the West for those three years. Yeah, the SEC this year had Arkansas, quality squad. LSU put together a nice team this year. So did Utah in 2008 & sure, even the Nuggets with two of the most ball dominate players on the same floor.
It's not was the East better than the West. It's you said "Cleveland didn't go through anything in 2007" & I'm saying "If Cleveland didn't go through anything in 2007 with Daniel Gibson & Big Z as co-stars & you're diminishing that, then the same can be said that the Lakers run for the three years after wasn't all that impressive either since they had by far the best team in the West".
YES the Lakers did play better teams the following three years, but compared to the talent & coaching the Lakers had to the rest of the West it was like Kentucky playing #17 ranked Arkansas. You can have NIK type up the rosters, it doesn't change the fact that the Lakers & Celtics were like 100/100 squads & the next best teams were like 89/100 & 90/100. To put it in perspective, Cleveland was like an 80/100 team in 2007, but they had to play teams that were closer to 80/100 & even a Pistons team they beat that was better than them.
Here's a final example because it's incredible how it's not understood...It would be like having a two different free throw contests with 5 people in each. The first one has a guy who shoots 95% from the line & four guys that shooter 80% from the line. The second contest, has all guys that shoot between 60% & 65% from the line. Sure, the first contest has better shooters, but the champion was already decided before they started shooting. The second contest champion had to go through teams similar to their skill & still won.
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Nigga, you're bugging. It's very simple to understand. Just follow.
LA was the UK of the West for those three years. Yeah, the SEC this year had Arkansas, quality squad. LSU put together a nice team this year. So did Utah in 2008 & sure, even the Nuggets with two of the most ball dominate players on the same floor.
It's not was the East better than the West. It's you said "Cleveland didn't go through anything in 2007" & I'm saying "If Cleveland didn't go through anything in 2007 with Daniel Gibson & Big Z as co-stars & you're diminishing that, then the same can be said that the Lakers run for the three years after wasn't all that impressive either since they had by far the best team in the West".
YES the Lakers did play better teams the following three years, but compared to the talent & coaching the Lakers had to the rest of the West it was like Kentucky playing #17 ranked Arkansas. You can have NIK type up the rosters, it doesn't change the fact that the Lakers & Celtics were like 100/100 squads & the next best teams were like 89/100 & 90/100. To put it in perspective, Cleveland was like an 80/100 team in 2007, but they had to play teams that were closer to 80/100 & even a Pistons team they beat that was better than them.
Here's a final example because it's incredible how it's not understood...It would be like having a two different free throw contests with 5 people in each. The first one has a guy who shoots 95% from the line & four guys that shooter 80% from the line. The second contest, has all guys that shoot between 60% & 65% from the line. Sure, the first contest has better shooters, but the champion was already decided before they started shooting. The second contest champion had to go through teams similar to their skill & still won.
I think you mistake how I debate these things to how Sccit does. I don't give a FUCK about making Kobe look good. I don't really care who the Lakers had on the roster than wins, as long as they win. Bottom line. I don't give a fuck who LeBron has or doesn't have. He didn't have shit, but he was playing against shit. And if you are the leader of shit, against shit, you should win if you are a superstar. I give LeBron a pass in this way, he was 22. At 22, it's hard to beat a team like the Pistons, even though Detroit wasn't as good. They still had 3 core players from the 2004 team and they were still the best in the east. So for that, I give LeBron props. But pass that, he always played in a weak eastern conference. Even with stacked teams, he barely beat San Antonio and lost to them the next year. The Lakers went through great teams in the playoffs. Kobe led the way. He had help, but you need help to beat those San Antonio teams. When LeBron got help, he was able to move on. But with the whole thing on his shoulder, he barely was able to break through.
So here is my ranking of players since 2000:
1. Kobe
2. Duncan
3. LeBron
4. Wade
5. Shaq
And I'm being generous to LeBron putting him over Wade and Shaq. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt in terms of his playoff failures. But for sure, he's not better than Kobe or Duncan. That has been establish. And unless he has a huge run of MJ levels in his 30's, and his game isn't exactly an old man's game, I don't see him moving.
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To be fair, you hate LeBron. Not on a NIK level, but definitely some bias. You tend to get caught up in your firm belief that he has been on PEDs his entire career.
I understand though. I think our government was responsible for 9/11 so it's hard to ever give them the benefit of the doubt for me lol.
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Nigga, you're bugging. It's very simple to understand. Just follow.
LA was the UK of the West for those three years. Yeah, the SEC this year had Arkansas, quality squad. LSU put together a nice team this year. So did Utah in 2008 & sure, even the Nuggets with two of the most ball dominate players on the same floor.
It's not was the East better than the West. It's you said "Cleveland didn't go through anything in 2007" & I'm saying "If Cleveland didn't go through anything in 2007 with Daniel Gibson & Big Z as co-stars & you're diminishing that, then the same can be said that the Lakers run for the three years after wasn't all that impressive either since they had by far the best team in the West".
YES the Lakers did play better teams the following three years, but compared to the talent & coaching the Lakers had to the rest of the West it was like Kentucky playing #17 ranked Arkansas. You can have NIK type up the rosters, it doesn't change the fact that the Lakers & Celtics were like 100/100 squads & the next best teams were like 89/100 & 90/100. To put it in perspective, Cleveland was like an 80/100 team in 2007, but they had to play teams that were closer to 80/100 & even a Pistons team they beat that was better than them.
Here's a final example because it's incredible how it's not understood...It would be like having a two different free throw contests with 5 people in each. The first one has a guy who shoots 95% from the line & four guys that shooter 80% from the line. The second contest, has all guys that shoot between 60% & 65% from the line. Sure, the first contest has better shooters, but the champion was already decided before they started shooting. The second contest champion had to go through teams similar to their skill & still won.
I think you mistake how I debate these things to how Sccit does. I don't give a FUCK about making Kobe look good. I don't really care who the Lakers had on the roster than wins, as long as they win. Bottom line. I don't give a fuck who LeBron has or doesn't have. He didn't have shit, but he was playing against shit. And if you are the leader of shit, against shit, you should win if you are a superstar. I give LeBron a pass in this way, he was 22. At 22, it's hard to beat a team like the Pistons, even though Detroit wasn't as good. They still had 3 core players from the 2004 team and they were still the best in the east. So for that, I give LeBron props. But pass that, he always played in a weak eastern conference. Even with stacked teams, he barely beat San Antonio and lost to them the next year. The Lakers went through great teams in the playoffs. Kobe led the way. He had help, but you need help to beat those San Antonio teams. When LeBron got help, he was able to move on. But with the whole thing on his shoulder, he barely was able to break through.
So here is my ranking of players since 2000:
1. Kobe
2. Duncan
3. LeBron
4. Wade
5. Shaq
And I'm being generous to LeBron putting him over Wade and Shaq. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt in terms of his playoff failures. But for sure, he's not better than Kobe or Duncan. That has been establish. And unless he has a huge run of MJ levels in his 30's, and his game isn't exactly an old man's game, I don't see him moving.
u lost this debate the moment you started trying to prove yourself.....cham is better at debating than you are, give it up LOL
but yea, he's wrong either way.....like u said, the 8th seed was a 50 win team. thats insane depth. the lakers were superior to the rest of the teams in the west soley due to kobe. you put kobe on the nuggets and melo on the lakers, and nuggets end up with that back-to-back. thats all it comes down to.
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I mean, talking like that is foolish. Because I know you'll hit me back with some lame, non-provable intangible about Kobe & how no player other than MJ in history would have won, but in reality, you could've put T-Mac, Melo or Allen Iverson on the first threepeat Lakers & they would still have been the threepeat Lakers.
You could've put Kobe on T-Mac's Magic or Melo's Nuggets by himself & he would of had the same outcome. Teams win. Always will be that way. Even though the incredible LeBron James & Allen Iverson came close by themselves, they still couldn't do it when they ran into a true team, fully contributing against them & some role players forced to be starters.
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if Iverson played with Shaq they'd probably have won 5 titles straight
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I mean, talking like that is foolish. Because I know you'll hit me back with some lame, non-provable intangible about Kobe & how no player other than MJ in history would have won, but in reality, you could've put T-Mac, Melo or Allen Iverson on the first threepeat Lakers & they would still have been the threepeat Lakers.
You could've put Kobe on T-Mac's Magic or Melo's Nuggets by himself & he would of had the same outcome. Teams win. Always will be that way. Even though the incredible LeBron James & Allen Iverson came close by themselves, they still couldn't do it when they ran into a true team, fully contributing against them & some role players forced to be starters.
lmao wtf...do u realize that lakers barely squeezed by in 7 games during a couple of those three-peat years. and kobe was the one closing out games, with a similar output to shaq. you put t-mac, melo, or lebron on thos teams, and we'd have been lucky to win 1, let alone three straight....but u know that, now u just tryin too hard.
like i said, u replace kobe with melo...u replace kobe with tony parker...u replace kobe with deron williams.........and lakers WOULD NOT have won in 09 and 10.......and that goes without sayin. kobe was the difference durin those years.....just admit it.
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"Kobe was closing out those games" LMAO. So Melo, T-Mac & Iverson were incapable of scoring late in games? They just never did it on that stage because they weren't privileged enough to play with Shaq, the Laker cast & have Phil coach.
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not just shaq but PRIME Shaq.
you know, the guy NIK was on here calling "the best center of all time" in 2002
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"Kobe was closing out those games" LMAO. So Melo, T-Mac & Iverson were incapable of scoring late in games? They just never did it on that stage because they weren't privileged enough to play with Shaq, the Laker cast & have Phil coach.
none of those players are on kobe's level, and you already know this.....lol. just stop.
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not just shaq but PRIME Shaq.
you know, the guy NIK was on here calling "the best center of all time" in 2002
and he was definitely on pace to bein that in 2002.....poor work ethic hindered his career, bottom line
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Nigga, you're bugging. It's very simple to understand. Just follow.
LA was the UK of the West for those three years. Yeah, the SEC this year had Arkansas, quality squad. LSU put together a nice team this year. So did Utah in 2008 & sure, even the Nuggets with two of the most ball dominate players on the same floor.
It's not was the East better than the West. It's you said "Cleveland didn't go through anything in 2007" & I'm saying "If Cleveland didn't go through anything in 2007 with Daniel Gibson & Big Z as co-stars & you're diminishing that, then the same can be said that the Lakers run for the three years after wasn't all that impressive either since they had by far the best team in the West".
YES the Lakers did play better teams the following three years, but compared to the talent & coaching the Lakers had to the rest of the West it was like Kentucky playing #17 ranked Arkansas. You can have NIK type up the rosters, it doesn't change the fact that the Lakers & Celtics were like 100/100 squads & the next best teams were like 89/100 & 90/100. To put it in perspective, Cleveland was like an 80/100 team in 2007, but they had to play teams that were closer to 80/100 & even a Pistons team they beat that was better than them.
Here's a final example because it's incredible how it's not understood...It would be like having a two different free throw contests with 5 people in each. The first one has a guy who shoots 95% from the line & four guys that shooter 80% from the line. The second contest, has all guys that shoot between 60% & 65% from the line. Sure, the first contest has better shooters, but the champion was already decided before they started shooting. The second contest champion had to go through teams similar to their skill & still won.
I think you mistake how I debate these things to how Sccit does. I don't give a FUCK about making Kobe look good. I don't really care who the Lakers had on the roster than wins, as long as they win. Bottom line. I don't give a fuck who LeBron has or doesn't have. He didn't have shit, but he was playing against shit. And if you are the leader of shit, against shit, you should win if you are a superstar. I give LeBron a pass in this way, he was 22. At 22, it's hard to beat a team like the Pistons, even though Detroit wasn't as good. They still had 3 core players from the 2004 team and they were still the best in the east. So for that, I give LeBron props. But pass that, he always played in a weak eastern conference. Even with stacked teams, he barely beat San Antonio and lost to them the next year. The Lakers went through great teams in the playoffs. Kobe led the way. He had help, but you need help to beat those San Antonio teams. When LeBron got help, he was able to move on. But with the whole thing on his shoulder, he barely was able to break through.
So here is my ranking of players since 2000:
1. Kobe
2. Duncan
3. LeBron
4. Wade
5. Shaq
And I'm being generous to LeBron putting him over Wade and Shaq. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt in terms of his playoff failures. But for sure, he's not better than Kobe or Duncan. That has been establish. And unless he has a huge run of MJ levels in his 30's, and his game isn't exactly an old man's game, I don't see him moving.
u lost this debate the moment you started trying to prove yourself.....cham is better at debating than you are, give it up LOL
but yea, he's wrong either way.....like u said, the 8th seed was a 50 win team. thats insane depth. the lakers were superior to the rest of the teams in the west soley due to kobe. you put kobe on the nuggets and melo on the lakers, and nuggets end up with that back-to-back. thats all it comes down to.
I was being nice. I think if you take Shaq from the mid-90's to mid-2000's, then he ranks over LeBron. But just 2000's, no. And trust me, saying Kobe is better than Shaq is not exactly easy for me.
But I think we debate two different things in basketball. I judge players with how they preform with what's given to them. If Kobe is playing with Smush Parker, Kwame Brown and Devon George as his other starters, I give him and pass and look at his production. But give him Gasol, Fisher and Bynum and Odom, and I judge him more harshly and expect rings. And since the Lakers won rings, then I look very favorable to that. With LeBron, I don't look at rings in Cleveland, which is why I called him the best of his era. He had shit teammates. But I do look at the rest of the east and it was shitty as well, so a superstar should be able to come out the east. When Boston was injured in 2009, everyone expected Cleveland to make it out the east. Instead Orlando came out, and after seeing Dwight outside of SVG's system, you realize how poor of a team that Magic team was. It was all SVG winning with that team. So you have to relook at the situation and see that LeBron might be overrated.
if Iverson played with Shaq they'd probably have won 5 titles straight
As long as it was in LA, I would have been happy.
To be fair, you hate LeBron. Not on a NIK level, but definitely some bias. You tend to get caught up in your firm belief that he has been on PEDs his entire career.
I understand though. I think our government was responsible for 9/11 so it's hard to ever give them the benefit of the doubt for me lol.
Nah, LeBron doesn't bother me. But as I reflect more on his career, I think he'll go down as one of the biggest puzzles. His career will never have that defining moment, he's almost like the Drake of basketball. Both have lots of success, but you have no idea what they stand for. Drake has no idea if he wants to sing or rap and it really messes up the flow of all his albums. LeBron doesn't ever know if he wants to be the star, or be a team player. So at the end of games he can either make the perfect basketball play that his teammate will brick, or he can hit the game winning shot and be a hero. But it really messes up the flow of a game and it's hard to judge him. But yeah, I've always said I think he's on PEDs. He has all the signs of PEDs.
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not just shaq but PRIME Shaq.
you know, the guy NIK was on here calling "the best center of all time" in 2002
and he was definitely on pace to bein that in 2002.....poor work ethic hindered his career, bottom line
back tracking i see.
you called him the best ever as of 2002 - what happened after shouldn't affect your view
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"Kobe was closing out those games" LMAO. So Melo, T-Mac & Iverson were incapable of scoring late in games? They just never did it on that stage because they weren't privileged enough to play with Shaq, the Laker cast & have Phil coach.
none of those players are on kobe's level, and you already know this.....lol. just stop.
Because you're judging careers on how it went down. Kobe is a better player. But that doesn't mean Melo or T-Mac couldn't have watched Shaq dominate for 43 minutes & then hit some open jump shots late in the game when they tripled Shaq.
Kyrie & Love are perfect examples of their situation. Hypothetically, but realistically the Cavaliers could win it all 2 out of the next 3 years. If that happens, we're gonna look at them a whole lot differently than the shun we'd give to them that we give Melo if they were stuck on shitty franchises for the next 15 years.
You have high hopes for Westbrook going to LA, if he goes there for seven years, never lures anybody to join him & they never win, but he's putting up 20-25 triple doubles a season, playing like he just did the second half of the year, you going to say John Wall is a better player if the Wizards scrapped one out in the next seven years?
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"Kobe was closing out those games" LMAO. So Melo, T-Mac & Iverson were incapable of scoring late in games? They just never did it on that stage because they weren't privileged enough to play with Shaq, the Laker cast & have Phil coach.
none of those players are on kobe's level, and you already know this.....lol. just stop.
Because you're judging careers on how it went down. Kobe is a better player. But that doesn't mean Melo or T-Mac couldn't have watched Shaq dominate for 43 minutes & then hit some open jump shots late in the game when they tripled Shaq.
Kyrie & Love are perfect examples of their situation. Hypothetically, but realistically the Cavaliers could win it all 2 out of the next 3 years. If that happens, we're gonna look at them a whole lot differently than the shun we'd give to them that we give Melo if they were stuck on shitty franchises for the next 15 years.
You have high hopes for Westbrook going to LA, if he goes there for seven years, never lures anybody to join him & they never win, but he's putting up 20-25 triple doubles a season, playing like he just did the second half of the year, you going to say John Wall is a better player if the Wizards scrapped one out in the next seven years?
u obviously didnt watch basketball back then......kobe was typically the one being doubled and tripled, opening the lane for shaq. by the time he turned 21, many people (including shaq) already were sayin that kobe was the best player in the world......considering u admit kobe is a better player than the ones u mentioned, and considering lakers barely squeezed by the kings and blazers, it's safe to say that vince carter would not have equaled kobe's output to the point where lakers woulda threepeated. lol@the way u downplay kobe, "he let shaq go to work for 43 minutes and hit open clutch shots at the end", like he was robert horry or some shit...naah, son. check this graphic:
(http://i51.tinypic.com/2mq3v5i.jpg)
and on top of that, none of the players u mentioned were even close to kobe as far as the defensive end goes...and kobe always guarded the best perimeter player on the opposing team, which also heavily contributed to the threepeat. so fall back with ur retard logic, if u may.
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who won finals MVP?
SHAQ...all 3 years ;D
who won an MVP in that span? Shaq, not Kobe.
Kobe ws never close to being the 2nd best player in basketball to Shaq even - Iverson was. Duncan was.
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2001 MVP voting
2000-01 NBA Awards Voting
Most Valuable Player
Voting Per Game Shooting Advanced
Rank Player Age Tm First Pts Won Pts Max Share G MP PTS TRB AST STL BLK FG% 3P% FT% WS WS/48
1 Allen Iverson 25 PHI 93.0 1121.0 1240 0.904 71 42.0 31.1 3.8 4.6 2.5 0.3 .420 .320 .814 11.8 .190
2 Tim Duncan 24 SAS 18.0 706.0 1240 0.569 82 38.7 22.2 12.2 3.0 0.9 2.3 .499 .259 .618 13.2 .200
3 Shaquille O'Neal 28 LAL 7.0 578.0 1240 0.466 74 39.5 28.7 12.7 3.7 0.6 2.8 .572 .000 .513 14.9 .245
4 Chris Webber 27 SAC 5.0 521.0 1240 0.420 70 40.5 27.1 11.1 4.2 1.3 1.7 .481 .071 .703 11.0 .186
5 Kevin Garnett 24 MIN 1.0 151.0 1240 0.122 81 39.5 22.0 11.4 5.0 1.4 1.8 .477 .288 .764 11.8 .176
6 Tracy McGrady 21 ORL 0.0 64.0 1240 0.052 77 40.1 26.8 7.5 4.6 1.5 1.5 .457 .355 .733 12.2 .189
7 Karl Malone 37 UTA 0.0 21.0 1240 0.017 81 35.7 23.2 8.3 4.5 1.1 0.8 .498 .400 .793 13.1 .217
8 Jason Kidd 27 PHO 0.0 18.0 1240 0.015 77 39.8 16.9 6.4 9.8 2.2 0.3 .411 .297 .814 9.6 .150
9 Kobe Bryant 22 LAL 0.0 11.0
lmao Kobe was the 9th best ;D
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1999-00 NBA Awards Voting
Most Valuable Player
Voting Per Game Shooting Advanced
Rank Player Age Tm First Pts Won Pts Max Share G MP PTS TRB AST STL BLK FG% 3P% FT% WS WS/48
1 Shaquille O'Neal 27 LAL 120.0 1207.0 1210 0.998 79 40.0 29.7 13.6 3.8 0.5 3.0 .574 .000 .524 18.6 .283
2 Kevin Garnett 23 MIN 0.0 408.0 1210 0.337 81 40.0 22.9 11.8 5.0 1.5 1.6 .497 .370 .765 11.6 .172
3 Alonzo Mourning 29 MIA 0.0 367.0 1210 0.303 79 34.8 21.7 9.5 1.6 0.5 3.7 .551 .000 .711 12.9 .226
4 Karl Malone 36 UTA 0.0 312.0 1210 0.258 82 35.9 25.5 9.5 3.7 1.0 0.9 .509 .250 .797 15.3 .249
5 Tim Duncan 23 SAS 0.0 248.0 1210 0.205 74 38.9 23.2 12.4 3.2 0.9 2.2 .490 .091 .761 13.0 .218
6 Gary Payton 31 SEA 0.0 180.0 1210 0.149 82 41.8 24.2 6.5 8.9 1.9 0.2 .448 .340 .735 13.9 .195
7 Allen Iverson 24 PHI 1.0 132.0 1210 0.109 70 40.8 28.4 3.8 4.7 2.1 0.1 .421 .341 .713 6.9 .116
8 Grant Hill 27 DET 0.0 113.0 1210 0.093 74 37.5 25.8 6.6 5.2 1.4 0.6 .489 .347 .795 10.7 .185
9 Chris Webber 26 SAC 0.0 96.0 1210 0.079 75 38.4 24.5 10.5 4.6 1.6 1.7 .483 .284 .751 10.7 .179
10 Vince Carter 23 TOR 0.0 51.0 1210 0.042 82 38.1 25.7 5.8 3.9 1.3 1.1 .465 .403 .791 11.8 .182
11 Jason Kidd 26 PHO 0.0 25.0 1210 0.021 67 39.0 14.3 7.2 10.1 2.0 0.4 .409 .337 .829 8.5 .156
12 Kobe Bryant 21 LAL 0.0 3.0 1210 0.002 66 38.2 22.5 6.3 4.9 1.6 0.9 .468 .319 .821 10.6 .202
13T Darrell Armstrong 31 ORL 0.0 1.0 1210 0.001 82 31.6 16.2 3.3 6.1 2.1 0.1 .433 .340 .911 8.0
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lol, that's always your go-to graphic. The 2001 "playoffs", not Finals. Despite that was arguably the worst Finals Kobe ever played & they swept everyone besides the 76ers for one game; in a series where Shaq completely outshined Kobe. The Kings series is the only reason those stats are even close & that's because Shaq had to deal with Webber & Divac, still put up 33 in the series & Kobe was being manned by Christie & Peja lol.
So yeah, I still firmly believe Melo could of walked on to that team & at least ran through 2001, maybe losing a couple more games, if that.
Iverson was regarded as a better player because people understood what I was talking about above. The privilege of your situation. Shaq was the man in LA, Kobe was the benefactor of that. Iverson was a one man show. It wasn't until LeBron came around & proclaimed the NBA his kingdom until angry, biased fans like yourself started throwing the "ring argument" into the conversation. But then contradict yourself when the hardware doesn't add up. Like how Duncan has more hardware. But that just goes to show that argument was created solely to defend Kobe over LeBron. Because that's literally the only time, outside of Jordan & those two, that it ever makes a difference in an argument comparing any two players.
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Kobe was literally 1 spot above being Darrell Armstrong status in 2000 when Shaq was unanimous MVP
yet NIK wants you to think Kobe was the better player ;D
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who won finals MVP?
SHAQ...all 3 years ;D
who won an MVP in that span? Shaq, not Kobe.
Kobe ws never close to being the 2nd best player in basketball to Shaq even - Iverson was. Duncan was.
shaq had seniority, obviously it was his team first.....but as far as skill goes, we talkin about the greatest duo in NBA history. despite shaq's seniority and kobe taking a back seat, his output still matched shaq's, which is an amazing feat in its own. just took a back-seat to feed shaq's tremendous ego and still put up 30 ppg, like godamn.......and how u guna take mvp voting into consideration? lmao. the fact that shaq was viewed as the head of the team means that kobe wasnt even in consideration for mvp during those years.. all them votes went to shaq....but u put kobe on the t-wolves instead of garnett, and those votes are goin to kobe,. its situational.......still shaq was already declaring kobe the best in the world by 2001 PLAYOFFS (after mvp voting took place)......and believe me, he wasnt alone in that.
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Jordan and Pippen is the best duo
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Jordan and Pippen is the best duo
By his own law & standards, he's not even at the liberty to second guess this.
Logic's a bitch with this guy lol.
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Jordan and Pippen is the best duo
By his own law & standards, he's not even at the liberty to second guess this.
Logic's a bitch with this guy lol.
wtf are u talkin about weirdo.......pippen is not a top 10 player of all time
both kobe and shaq are
it's not even close, really
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so that's the logic we are using???????
Oscar - Kareem must be the best duo then. Don't want that? Then Magic - Kareem.
I was going by 6 titles in 7 years, something no other non-Celtics duo has ever done before.
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so that's the logic we are using???????
Oscar - Kareem must be the best duo then. Don't want that? Then Magic - Kareem.
I was going by 6 titles in 7 years, something no other non-Celtics duo has ever done before.
oscar-kareem would be a good one, but they only won 1 title...kobe>oscar, kareem>shaq.. so it is close.
magic-kareem is the 2nd best duo imo, but i got no beef wit any1 puttin them first, as they did win 5....the difference being that they also had james worthy, who had actually surpassed kareem by the late 80s....so that was more of a big 3 than a dynamic duo.
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oscar > kobe
for sure
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yea, and rondo is the best pg in the league lmao. never change
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says the guy who wants his team to sign Rondo
never change ;D
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Jordan and Pippen is the best duo
By his own law & standards, he's not even at the liberty to second guess this.
Logic's a bitch with this guy lol.
wtf are u talkin about weirdo.......pippen is not a top 10 player of all time
both kobe and shaq are
it's not even close, really
Dude what are you saying? They're considered a "duo" in NBA history. Went 6-0 in the Finals, threepeated twice. Rings are all that matter, "weirdo". Finals records are all that matter. Read your own scriptures.
Shaq & Kobe have half the rings & lost in the Finals together. Smarten up, my boy. It's indisputable.
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Jordan and Pippen is the best duo
By his own law & standards, he's not even at the liberty to second guess this.
Logic's a bitch with this guy lol.
wtf are u talkin about weirdo.......pippen is not a top 10 player of all time
both kobe and shaq are
it's not even close, really
Dude what are you saying? They're considered a "duo" in NBA history. Went 6-0 in the Finals, threepeated twice. Rings are all that matter, "weirdo". Finals records are all that matter. Read your own scriptures.
Shaq & Kobe have half the rings & lost in the Finals together. Smarten up, my boy. It's indisputable.
if rings were all that mattered, Robert Horry would be a HOFer.....rings are a factor, but far from all that matters. U need to work on your common sense skills.
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says the guy who wants his team to sign Rondo
never change ;D
I thought he was the best pg in the league?
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Jordan and Pippen is the best duo
By his own law & standards, he's not even at the liberty to second guess this.
Logic's a bitch with this guy lol.
wtf are u talkin about weirdo.......pippen is not a top 10 player of all time
both kobe and shaq are
it's not even close, really
Dude what are you saying? They're considered a "duo" in NBA history. Went 6-0 in the Finals, threepeated twice. Rings are all that matter, "weirdo". Finals records are all that matter. Read your own scriptures.
Shaq & Kobe have half the rings & lost in the Finals together. Smarten up, my boy. It's indisputable.
if rings were all that mattered, Robert Horry would be a HOFer.....rings are a factor, but far from all that matters. U need to work on your common sense skills.
lol, copping out, homie. If you're comparing Pippen to Horry, remove yourself as a moderate of the section.
You give him all the credit in the universe when trying to knock Jordan down & say how much of a help he was. Face it, it's sad for you to admit, but by your own law MJ & Pippen >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kobe & Shaq, three times over.
If Pippen wasn't averaging 20 & hadn't been the best defender in the league, you could maybe make a case. But he was almost as important as MJ, considering MJ couldn't do it without him. Easily the best duo of all-time.
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so what i said about Rondo 2 years ago holds truth now? you yourself said he's obviously injured....
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Jordan and Pippen is the best duo
By his own law & standards, he's not even at the liberty to second guess this.
Logic's a bitch with this guy lol.
wtf are u talkin about weirdo.......pippen is not a top 10 player of all time
both kobe and shaq are
it's not even close, really
Dude what are you saying? They're considered a "duo" in NBA history. Went 6-0 in the Finals, threepeated twice. Rings are all that matter, "weirdo". Finals records are all that matter. Read your own scriptures.
Shaq & Kobe have half the rings & lost in the Finals together. Smarten up, my boy. It's indisputable.
if rings were all that mattered, Robert Horry would be a HOFer.....rings are a factor, but far from all that matters. U need to work on your common sense skills.
lol, copping out, homie. If you're comparing Pippen to Horry, remove yourself as a moderate of the section.
You give him all the credit in the universe when trying to knock Jordan down & say how much of a help he was. Face it, it's sad for you to admit, but by your own law MJ & Pippen >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kobe & Shaq, three times over.
If Pippen wasn't averaging 20 & hadn't been the best defender in the league, you could maybe make a case. But he was almost as important as MJ, considering MJ couldn't do it without him. Easily the best duo of all-time.
pippen is great, dont get me wrong...but he's not a top-tier all time great. both kobe and shaq are. it's pretty simple, but keep goin......
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so what i said about Rondo 2 years ago holds truth now? you yourself said he's obviously injured....
lol u said that shit in the beginnin of the season brodie
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and i have been proven wrong since the dude doesn't want to even try to win a playoff game in Dallas
he was the best PG when he was schooling Lebron and 'em just a few years ago in the playoffs but seems the game passed him by
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and i have been proven wrong since the dude doesn't want to even try to win a playoff game in Dallas
he was the best PG when he was schooling Lebron and 'em just a few years ago in the playoffs but seems the game passed him by
SO U REALLY THOUGHT HE WAS THE BEST? LOL...AND THIS WHOLE TIME I THOUGH U WERE JUST TROLLIN
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i say Rondo is the best PG in the same breath that you say Tracey McGrady or Marshmelo Anthony is better than Lebron ;)
how's that? :D
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Jordan and Pippen is the best duo
By his own law & standards, he's not even at the liberty to second guess this.
Logic's a bitch with this guy lol.
wtf are u talkin about weirdo.......pippen is not a top 10 player of all time
both kobe and shaq are
it's not even close, really
Dude what are you saying? They're considered a "duo" in NBA history. Went 6-0 in the Finals, threepeated twice. Rings are all that matter, "weirdo". Finals records are all that matter. Read your own scriptures.
Shaq & Kobe have half the rings & lost in the Finals together. Smarten up, my boy. It's indisputable.
if rings were all that mattered, Robert Horry would be a HOFer.....rings are a factor, but far from all that matters. U need to work on your common sense skills.
lol, copping out, homie. If you're comparing Pippen to Horry, remove yourself as a moderate of the section.
You give him all the credit in the universe when trying to knock Jordan down & say how much of a help he was. Face it, it's sad for you to admit, but by your own law MJ & Pippen >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kobe & Shaq, three times over.
If Pippen wasn't averaging 20 & hadn't been the best defender in the league, you could maybe make a case. But he was almost as important as MJ, considering MJ couldn't do it without him. Easily the best duo of all-time.
pippen is great, dont get me wrong...but he's not a top-tier all time great. both kobe and shaq are. it's pretty simple, but keep goin......
Na, my bad dude. It just doesn't work that way. Kobe's individual body of work in his career + Shaq's individual body of work in his career is better than MJ's + Pippen's individual bodies of work. But as a duo 6-0 >>>>>>>>>>> 3-1.
Just using the basic metrics, my boy.
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Jordan and Pippen is the best duo
By his own law & standards, he's not even at the liberty to second guess this.
Logic's a bitch with this guy lol.
wtf are u talkin about weirdo.......pippen is not a top 10 player of all time
both kobe and shaq are
it's not even close, really
Dude what are you saying? They're considered a "duo" in NBA history. Went 6-0 in the Finals, threepeated twice. Rings are all that matter, "weirdo". Finals records are all that matter. Read your own scriptures.
Shaq & Kobe have half the rings & lost in the Finals together. Smarten up, my boy. It's indisputable.
if rings were all that mattered, Robert Horry would be a HOFer.....rings are a factor, but far from all that matters. U need to work on your common sense skills.
lol, copping out, homie. If you're comparing Pippen to Horry, remove yourself as a moderate of the section.
You give him all the credit in the universe when trying to knock Jordan down & say how much of a help he was. Face it, it's sad for you to admit, but by your own law MJ & Pippen >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kobe & Shaq, three times over.
If Pippen wasn't averaging 20 & hadn't been the best defender in the league, you could maybe make a case. But he was almost as important as MJ, considering MJ couldn't do it without him. Easily the best duo of all-time.
pippen is great, dont get me wrong...but he's not a top-tier all time great. both kobe and shaq are. it's pretty simple, but keep goin......
Na, my bad dude. It just doesn't work that way. Kobe's individual body of work in his career + Shaq's individual body of work in his career is better than MJ's + Pippen's individual bodies of work. But as a duo 6-0 >>>>>>>>>>> 3-1.
Just using the basic metrics, my boy.
unfortunately for ur case, thats not how it works. if pippen was a top 10 all-time and they went 6-0, then yea, u have a point....but pippen is not on that level, so they lose points as a duo based on the fact that he's a couple tiers under the other players in the conversation. also, the fact that jordan and pippen played way more seasons together than kobe and shaq factors into the title equation. u give kobe and shaq a couple more years together, and they very easily coulda won a few more.
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So your argument is based on "if they played more seasons together". Even though I could easily say "if Jordan didn't retire, they could of won nine years in a row".
So back to reality where things actually happened...6-0 >>> 3-1. Not debatable how much of a landslide victory it is for MJ/Pippen.
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this is true
Russell-Cousy is also better than shaq and kobe
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Hum... best duo?
Come on, no matter how hard I am on Kobe, I can't say him and Shaq weren't the best duo in history. Unless you have Magic/Kareem.
Cousy/Russell and Jordan/Pippen both have arguments, but Magic/Kareem was the most complete duo in NBA history. Both were HIGHLY skilled, Kareem had an unblockable shot, Magic had the best court vision on any player in NBA history, and if you are talking about early 80's Magic/Kareem, Kareem was still in his prime and Magic actually played defense.
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this is true
Russell-Cousy is also better than shaq and kobe
Well the Dubcc standard actually just mathematically eliminates the 1960's. So Russell is disqualified for some reason. I don't make the rules, just follow them.
But MJ/Pippen is untouchable.
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So your argument is based on "if they played more seasons together". Even though I could easily say "if Jordan didn't retire, they could of won nine years in a row".
So back to reality where things actually happened...6-0 >>> 3-1. Not debatable how much of a landslide victory it is for MJ/Pippen.
so by your standards, the greatest duo of all time is bill russell-bob cousy
also, tony parker-tim duncan >>> kobe-shaq >>> dirk nowitzki-jason terry=wilt chamberlain-jerry west...............................u on that moron logic, bruh
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No, no. It's your logic. So Russell doesn't count. The 60's don't factor into the Dubcc ring argument.
MJ/Pippen never lost & they have 6 rings. It makes them better than Shaq & Kobe. Skill doesn't matter. Understanding who was a better play doesn't matter. The rings speak.
lol @ calling Dirk & Terry a duo. Duo's are built through a span of years that are without a doubt recognizable. Not two random players that played on the same team.
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this is true
Russell-Cousy is also better than shaq and kobe
Well the Dubcc standard actually just mathematically eliminates the 1960's. So Russell is disqualified for some reason. I don't make the rules, just follow them.
But MJ/Pippen is untouchable.
it's so true sadly.
weird how Shaq can once be "the best center ever" based on accomplishments dated up to 2002 but yet after winning another title AFTER that he's suddenly a "back of the top 10" player
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when all else fails, troll on.....
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It's not trolling. You set the standards. I'm following them.
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i know im good, but i aint God.....the standards was set before i was born G