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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: Sccit on September 02, 2012, 09:53:58 PM
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Everyone knows Dre and Snoop bring the best out of each other...obviously, a good portion of their fans have lost interest and have limited care for their current work. Lets be honest.. both icons, both seem lost when it comes 2 making fresh music. After giving it some thought, I truly believe that one of the only ideas that could resurrect their career would be for them to get together and finally put their energy into the long-anticiapted duet album. It would be an instant classic and would most likely generate way more interest than anything they're currently thinkin' of. They were even thinkin about it as recently as "Tha Wash" soundtrack, which was, at one point, intended to be the Dre/Snoop album.This is the way for them to gain back their core fanbase. they both said it in the past...Dre tried his thing without Snoop; it failed. Snoop tried his thing without Dre; it failed. Now, they're back to workin with other artists, and once again, none of their work has come close to what they did together ("2001", Tha Last Meal", etc.). I'm not just talkin about a collabo here, or a feature there. I'm talkin about them sittin in the lab and makin this thing happen.....Shit could be bigger than the Kanye+Jay-Z album and would definitely be album of the year (and probably even decade)......."Detox" lost its appeal with all the mediocre leaks and lack of uniqueness. Most of Snoop's core fanbase are either opposed or undecided about the Snoop Lion transformation. If Dre and Snoop can put their egos aside and team up to finally release "From Break Ups 2 Make Ups", it would be huge.. not just for their career, not just for west coast hip-hop....but for hip-hop, in general. MAKE IT HAPPEN. 8)
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i dont think it would work because Snoop smoked himself retarded and Dre is a bipolar bisexual with roid rage who is worth a quarter billion dollars and doesnt give a fuck about music or his stans...
nice concept though, 15 years ago.
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i dont think it would work because Snoop smoked himself retarded and Dre is a bipolar bisexual with roid rage.
nice concept though, 15 years ago.
it would work...i can bet anything that a album with nothing but Snoop+Dre would be nothing short of classic. and it's definitely a better idea than releasing "Detox" with a bunch of techno/new-age-hip-hop imitation beats, or a Snoop reggae album. U can at least admit that.
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i dont think it would work because Snoop smoked himself retarded and Dre is a bipolar bisexual with roid rage.
nice concept though, 15 years ago.
it would work...i can bet anything that a album with nothing but Snoop+Dre would be nothing short of classic. and it's definitely a better idea than releasing "Detox" with a bunch of techno/new-age-hip-hop imitation beats, or a Snoop reggae album. U can at least admit that.
i can agree with you on the last part, but dre and snoop arent hungry.
when they were hungry, they made good music because inspiration comes from struggle. or so they say....
now they are filthy rich and got their hands in so much other shit they will never come close to what they once were.
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Dr. Dre told us a long time ago what his plans for the future were....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c80dWbiONqM
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i dont think it would work because Snoop smoked himself retarded and Dre is a bipolar bisexual with roid rage.
nice concept though, 15 years ago.
it would work...i can bet anything that a album with nothing but Snoop+Dre would be nothing short of classic. and it's definitely a better idea than releasing "Detox" with a bunch of techno/new-age-hip-hop imitation beats, or a Snoop reggae album. U can at least admit that.
i can agree with you on the last part, but dre and snoop arent hungry.
when they were hungry, they made good music because inspiration comes from struggle. or so they say....
now they are filthy rich and got their hands in so much other shit they will never come close to what they once were.
they were rich when they got together for "tha last meal" and "2001"....they simply felt like they had something to prove. they're pretty much right back there...their current moves are the moves of icons trying to stay relevant. if they wanna stay relevant and make some noise, this is the way. trust me.
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Snoop and Dre have been actively working together for awhile and fact is people have high expectations and just aren't loving it like they did 12 years ago. If anything, I'd like to see them put together that Dogg Pound album they were both supposed to be co-signing like a year ago. If they could get a worthwhile project there, I'd see having high hopes down the road.
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I would love to see this happen but I highly doubt we'll ever get this album. I made myself a mix off all the Snoop/Dre (Dre beats only) material post Doggystyle and shit was banging.
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they were rich when they got together for "tha last meal" and "2001"....they simply felt like they had something to prove. they're pretty much right back there...their current moves are the moves of icons trying to stay relevant. if they wanna stay relevant and make some noise, this is the way. trust me.
From my understanding at that time no one (not even them) knew where their careers were going. So there were doubters, skeptics and people dissing them and whether out of anger or desperation eventually out came those albums. However since then every rapper/person who's dared to face Dr. Dre or Snoop Dogg has disappeared and with the success of those albums the two reestablished their place in hip hop thus making it a lot more comfortable for them. Unless every mainstream rapper turns on them and the two are cut off from all of their endorsement deals I don't see them getting hungry enough to do shit.
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I would have to agree with this thread 100% but its a pointless thread really cos we know it aint gonna happen.
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It would be a decade too late .... like for every collabo album which came out these latest years (Quik/Kurupt , Em/Royce , Jay/Kanye)
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It would be a decade too late .... like for every collabo album which came out these latest years (Quik/Kurupt , Em/Royce , Jay/Kanye)
It's never too late
Snoop sounded really good in KUSH, the best since BOSS'life, Imagine and Round here. And i don't think they spent a lot of time in the studio for these tracks.
So imagine, if they lock themselves in the studio for several months!
Dre must be the only producer who tells him, "yo, that shit is wack, redo it!"
And Dre needs Snoop for the fun, the soul and funk in his prods. His recent beats are too boring, Dre needs to stop detoxing!!
I want an album exectutive produced album by Dre with productions from Battlecat, Fredwreck, and Dre + ghostwriting by the D.O.C, and why not Kam (Snoop sounded better than him in Imagine O.G, fits really good the Kam's style of rapping)
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it is too late. just like it is too late for a new NWA-album.
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i dont think it would work because Snoop smoked himself retarded and Dre is a bipolar bisexual with roid rage.
nice concept though, 15 years ago.
it would work...i can bet anything that a album with nothing but Snoop+Dre would be nothing short of classic. and it's definitely a better idea than releasing "Detox" with a bunch of techno/new-age-hip-hop imitation beats, or a Snoop reggae album. U can at least admit that.
i agree.
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Snoop and Dre have been actively working together for awhile and fact is people have high expectations and just aren't loving it like they did 12 years ago. If anything, I'd like to see them put together that Dogg Pound album they were both supposed to be co-signing like a year ago. If they could get a worthwhile project there, I'd see having high hopes down the road.
Everything theyve done together til this day shits on anything they've done alone or with other artists..
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they were rich when they got together for "tha last meal" and "2001"....they simply felt like they had something to prove. they're pretty much right back there...their current moves are the moves of icons trying to stay relevant. if they wanna stay relevant and make some noise, this is the way. trust me.
From my understanding at that time no one (not even them) knew where their careers were going. So there were doubters, skeptics and people dissing them and whether out of anger or desperation eventually out came those albums. However since then every rapper/person who's dared to face Dr. Dre or Snoop Dogg has disappeared and with the success of those albums the two reestablished their place in hip hop thus making it a lot more comfortable for them. Unless every mainstream rapper turns on them and the two are cut off from all of their endorsement deals I don't see them getting hungry enough to do shit.
Well, right now, most people see them as washed up.. I agree, from
1999-2009, they were back runnin shit. But now, the general public is pretty much back to doubting them as far as still being able to put out quality work goes. Not that it's right, but it is what it is. Whether they feel like they have something to prove or not is one thing... Putting this album out would instantly put them right back on top, though.
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It would be a decade too late .... like for every collabo album which came out these latest years (Quik/Kurupt , Em/Royce , Jay/Kanye)
Better late than never
All those albums were good, btw
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It would be nice if they would release unreleased material from the "2001", "No Limit Top Dogg" and "Tha Last Meal" recording sessions.
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Snoop was pushing hard for the "Break Up To Make Up" album for a past couple years, but Dre wasen't down with the idea so I don't see this happen... ever.
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Snoop was pushing hard for the "Break Up To Make Up" album for a past couple years, but Dre wasen't down with the idea so I don't see this happen... ever.
when dre comes to his senses, he will make it happen..
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Snoop was pushing hard for the "Break Up To Make Up" album for a past couple years, but Dre wasen't down with the idea so I don't see this happen... ever.
when dre comes to his senses, he will make it happen..
I don't think Dre gives a fuck anymore bro...
And I had an opportunity to interview Snoop, when he was in Poland a couple weeks back and he basically said that he kinda moved on from rap to do his reggae stuff, so that's the thing he's focus on at the moment.
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Snoop was pushing hard for the "Break Up To Make Up" album for a past couple years, but Dre wasen't down with the idea so I don't see this happen... ever.
when dre comes to his senses, he will make it happen..
I don't think Dre gives a fuck anymore bro...
And I had an opportunity to interview Snoop, when he was in Poland a couple weeks back and he basically said that he kinda moved on from rap to do his reggae stuff, so that's the thing he's focus on at the moment.
dre, to me, seems very insecure about his music as of late.....it doesnt seem like he doesn't give a fuck, moreso like he doesn't know which direction to go. believe me, he wants 2 put out 1 final masterpiece. he simply doesnt know how to appeal to the general public while still pleasing his core fanbase. this is the way. it will save 'em both.
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or would u rather see:
(http://stupiddope.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/snoop-lion-400x369-e1343746439189.jpeg)
(http://c3.cduniverse.ws/resized/250x500/music/663/8711663.jpg)
come on, now
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People should just forget about these project. Thinking about when, if, or ever they will drop "Detox, "Make ups 2 brake ups" is a pointless exercise. Just enjoy the classics they have released in the past.
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I think it would have been a good idea if it dropped around '08 or '09 but Snoop went in a different direction with the Ego Trippin record and Dre basically gave his Detox beats to Em for Relapse. Snoop rapping over those beats would have been interesting.
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truth be told if them niggas had of dropped that album when the wash came out and wit the titled track as the first single it woulda been 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
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they could do this shit in 2024, shit would still go
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they could do this shit in 2024, shit would still go
word 8) 8) 8) 8)
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I think either doing a whole album on Snoop (break ups to make up) or even a whole album on Snoop solo (like a Doggystyle 2) would be dope. Either those or even a Hester Skelter with Cube would get Dre back inspired on the music tip. I see he starting to slowly but surely produce a track here & there (Shit Popped Off, That new Xzibit track, 50's New Day) but working on a whole album with one of his main rappers that he's known for (Snoop or Cube) would probably inspire him to be on some next level shit. Relapse with Emeniem the production on there was dope (lyrically some people diss it but I don't think they take it for the concept album that it is) and the beats seem tailor made to fit Em perfect. Now imagine a whole album with Dre beats made to fit Snoop or Dre & Cube, shit would be bananas.
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Figures you of all people just want to continue to bring back old, out of date sounds.
Anyway, it wouldn't work mostly for the reason I said above. The sound is out of date. West Coast bangers don't sell records in 2012. It would be a waste of time for both of them.
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I think either doing a whole album on Snoop (break ups to make up) or even a whole album on Snoop solo (like a Doggystyle 2) would be dope. Either those or even a Hester Skelter with Cube would get Dre back inspired on the music tip. I see he starting to slowly but surely produce a track here & there (Shit Popped Off, That new Xzibit track, 50's New Day) but working on a whole album with one of his main rappers that he's known for (Snoop or Cube) would probably inspire him to be on some next level shit. Relapse with Emeniem the production on there was dope (lyrically some people diss it but I don't think they take it for the concept album that it is) and the beats seem tailor made to fit Em perfect. Now imagine a whole album with Dre beats made to fit Snoop or Dre & Cube, shit would be bananas.
i agree with this 100%...anything but these whack ass 1-and-done collabos with random a-listers. "helter skelter" would be dope as fuck, as well. or like u said, even a solo by cube or snoop entirely produced by dre, like the good ol' days. shit would be an instant classic and would go platinum in the first week.
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Figures you of all people just want to continue to bring back old, out of date sounds.
Anyway, it wouldn't work mostly for the reason I said above. The sound is out of date. West Coast bangers don't sell records in 2012. It would be a waste of time for both of them.
we dont wanna bring anything back. we wanna keep hip-hop legit. i'm not saying tyga should start rappin over g-funk beats. i'm sayin dre should stick to what he knows. he should keep the formula consistent. nobody wants to hear dre imitating new age hip-hop. if pink floyd re-united, u think we'd wanna hear them imitating the gorillaz music or come wit the shit that got them to the top? hip-hop can evolve, but it's not evolving, it's completely changing. should nash play shooting guard and become a spot-up shooter, now that he's getting older, or should he stick to what he's been doin his whole career? evolution is great...when evolution turns into change, mufuckaz gunna want the authenticity back. either way, u probably wouldnt understand, cuz u werent even born when "doggystyle" dropped...but thats what it is.
but if u really think a snoop/dre collabo album wont sell, ur either clueless or in complete denial.
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Get off that old scraped albums, wishing it coulda / shoulda released shit cuz nothing is ever gonna happen and get with reality, listen to the new shit and quit living in the past. SMH
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=288189.0 (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=288189.0)
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Get off that old scraped albums, wishing it coulda / shoulda released shit cuz nothing is ever gonna happen and get with reality, listen to the new shit and quit living in the past. SMH
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=288189.0 (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=288189.0)
nothings ever guna happen if people dont request it...if people accept "mr. prescription" and snoop lion and wont let it be known that they'd much prefer "makes ups 2 break ups", of course it'll never happen....but if the demand is there, so is the opportunity. "get off the old scrapped albums and listen to techno-rap".....fuck that, son
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Show me where in one instance fans demanded a project and got what they wanted, and another thing, who is listening to techno rap?
Plus you talking about dre who scraps everything. The man who already had an album ready for realese and scraped that and now you want him to release some shit that was up in the air and half ass sessions that don't amount to an ep? Get off dres nuts bro. Keep doing your thing with your music and support other new LA artist. I guess that's what I'm basically trying to say with quit living in the past. Dre and snoop are old and don't really resonate with the younger generation. They gave us countless classics to play and as a fan I am great ful but it's time to make way for the new really talented Westcoast rappers, that's all I'm saying.
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What new talented rappers are there from the West Coast is what I'm saying tho? The only younger rappers that are worth listening to are using the older rappers formula. The rest are boo boo. They don't be talkin about shit on the mic. What the fuck you expect us to wanna hear, Tyga, Toot it & Boot it, Cat Daddy? Get that bullshit the fuck off my speakers. Hell yeah the majority of us on here wouldn't mind hearing the OGs get together & do an album. Who wants to here a mothafucka on the mic recite some meaningless ass lyrics over a recycled European styled beat or a basic ass fruity loop beat? If that's what floats your boat that's kool but don't down talk those that wouldn't mind hearing some quality music. Old, young, I don't give a fuck I just want good music. Rap is not sports, long as a mothafucka got a voice they should be able to make music if they choose. Rap is the only genre where people talk that too old shit, any other type of music older artist albums will be sittin on the shelf right next to the newer artists.
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Show me where in one instance fans demanded a project and got what they wanted, and another thing, who is listening to techno rap?
Plus you talking about dre who scraps everything. The man who already had an album ready for realese and scraped that and now you want him to release some shit that was up in the air and half ass sessions that don't amount to an ep? Get off dres nuts bro. Keep doing your thing with your music and support other new LA artist. I guess that's what I'm basically trying to say with quit living in the past. Dre and snoop are old and don't really resonate with the younger generation. They gave us countless classics to play and as a fan I am great ful but it's time to make way for the new really talented Westcoast rappers, that's all I'm saying.
I don't think u get what I'm sayin.... If dre and snoop wanna continue makin music, it's a better idea for them to stick together and bang out a joint album, as opposed to Dre making imitation new age hip-hop and Snoop transforming into a reggae artist... It makes more sense in every way. All I'm sayin
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What new talented rappers are there from the West Coast is what I'm saying tho? The only younger rappers that are worth listening to are using the older rappers formula. The rest are boo boo. They don't be talkin about shit on the mic. What the fuck you expect us to wanna hear, Tyga, Toot it & Boot it, Cat Daddy? Get that bullshit the fuck off my speakers. Hell yeah the majority of us on here wouldn't mind hearing the OGs get together & do an album. Who wants to here a mothafucka on the mic recite some meaningless ass lyrics over a recycled European styled beat or a basic ass fruity loop beat? If that's what floats your boat that's kool but don't down talk those that wouldn't mind hearing some quality music. Old, young, I don't give a fuck I just want good music. Rap is not sports, long as a mothafucka got a voice they should be able to make music if they choose. Rap is the only genre where people talk that too old shit, any other type of music older artist albums will be sittin on the shelf right next to the newer artists.
Real spit
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LOL. No way would a Dre/Snoop album sell. You only think it would because you've been on this forum so long & see so many people HERE talk about those two artists. Outside of this forum, Snoop is beyond irrelevant other than a funny personality that smokes weed & Dre couldn't put up numbers with Eminem on his track.
I'm not saying I wouldn't enjoy it or want it. But these are two successful ass artists who have nothing left to prove or give to the fans. They're not wasting their time to give people on this forum what they want, while kids my age & younger who are the only ones buying albums are just waiting for Kanye or Drake to come out.
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Dre couldn't put up numbers with Eminem on his track.
he sold more than 2 mill of I Need A Doctor, that's quite a number, especially in this digital era.
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lmao... Anyone who thinks a Dre/Snoop collabo album won't sell doesn't even warrant a response.
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lmao... Anyone who thinks a Dre/Snoop collabo album won't sell doesn't even warrant a response.
Dumb nigga. Why do you think Detox isn't out yet? It's not that Dre doesn't care or is lazy, it's that he's not going to sell 250k & say "Well, this is what y'all waited for".
If he was convinced the songs he made would sell millions, it woulda been out. What the fuck is Snoop Dogg going to bring to the table that Dre couldn't do alone? Snoop Dogg hasn't been good in over a decade lmao. Quit the marketing game, man. You're lost.
Dre couldn't put up numbers with Eminem on his track.
he sold more than 2 mill of I Need A Doctor, that's quite a number, especially in this digital era.
That's a good single. Nicki's "Starships" did five million. So I mean, it's not like it was a smash hit. However, it clearly wasn't enough of a push for Dre to think Detox would do a million in a week.
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At this point in their careers, anything they put out will most likely be a disappointment. No thanks.
People need to just enjoy the good shit they already made and stop looking for some uninspired music that they dont even wanna put out. Does anyone check for new Rolling Stones tracks? Nah, but they still appreciate the classics.
Hip-Hop as a genre is newer than other types of music but the same shit applies. Dre knows better. He'd rather sit home and collect checks instead of tarnish his legacy.
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Smmfh. If "Detox" came out with a whole album based around the sound of "Louis XIII" or "New Day" I would literally stick a burning hot iron rod in my right ear and set my tongue on fire at the same time. Y'all really can't be serious saying that y'all really like that "West Coast Banger" sound in 2012. NO FUCKIN BODY WANTS TO HEAR THAT SHIT ANYMORE, it's not 2000 anymore.
Thats what's wrong with the West/Cali and has been for a long time now, the beat/instrumental game out there sucks. There's absolutely no type of creativity out there and frankly if it wasn't for Nipsey branching out the sound on those "Bullets..." series and the new tapes from Kendrick Lamar and Jay Rock somewhat and most especially Dom Kennedy then there really wouldn't be anything at all to listen for out there.
"That Good" by Glasses Malone has to be some sorta sick joke on Warren G or something. I can boogie to anything no matter who it's by or what it sounds like at any given moment but that whole super played out 1950's Black Man Perm Pre-P-Funk George Clinton hair West Coast Banger sound just ain't where it's at. Why do u think folks like DJ Quik and Tha Dogg Pound are still economically viable as they were 15 years ago is becuz nobody can do it better and the people don't really wanna hear too many/if anybody do it anymore. Say what u want about the south but atleast the sound has been growing over time, u can't say that about the west. Even the East updated the sound jah like.
That West Coast sound's home BELONGS to RnB. Every now and then it's okay for Rap but most of the time it's shitty. U think it takes 2 minutes to make a Southern record, it takes even shorter to make a West Coast record.
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Dre knows better. He'd rather sit home and collect checks instead of tarnish his legacy.
Apparently not. "Detox" is an official Hip Hop punchline. He fucked up his name a little bit by bullshitting people for so long.
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True. I think he was talked into it by a lot of people though and last minute pulled the plug and told them all to fuck themselves.
If he was gonna drop that record, he shoulda did it in 04-05 back when he was still on a roll and back when record sales were a lil higher. He past his prime a while ago though.
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True. I think he was talked into it by a lot of people though and last minute pulled the plug and told them all to fuck themselves.
If he was gonna drop that record, he shoulda did it in 04-05 back when he was still on a roll and back when record sales were a lil higher. He past his prime a while ago though.
Atleast he/we still have the Vault. I'll still always dream about what Detox could be/could've been in 2012/2013. In real life I was actually going to buy that album regardless (even if it leaked two months ahead of time)
It's actually kinda heartbreaking really
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Lets Be Reall, @ The End Of The Day, If Dre Dropped Detox, Break Up To Make Up, Dogg Pound Album, Shit If He Dropped Dr. Dre Presents All Jazz No.Funk + Fuk U... All U Shit talkers will go and buy it... Just enjoy what all west coast artistput out.. Becouse one day, these mofos wont be around to give u.any kind of music
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Lets Be Reall, @ The End Of The Day, If Dre Dropped Detox, Break Up To Make Up, Dogg Pound Album, Shit If He Dropped Dr. Dre Presents All Jazz No.Funk + Fuk U... All U Shit talkers will go and buy it... Just enjoy what all west coast artistput out.. Becouse one day, these mofos wont be around to give u.any kind of music
#realtalk
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lmao... Anyone who thinks a Dre/Snoop collabo album won't sell doesn't even warrant a response.
Dumb nigga. Why do you think Detox isn't out yet? It's not that Dre doesn't care or is lazy, it's that he's not going to sell 250k & say "Well, this is what y'all waited for".
If he was convinced the songs he made would sell millions, it woulda been out. What the fuck is Snoop Dogg going to bring to the table that Dre couldn't do alone? Snoop Dogg hasn't been good in over a decade lmao. Quit the marketing game, man. You're lost.
Dre couldn't put up numbers with Eminem on his track.
he sold more than 2 mill of I Need A Doctor, that's quite a number, especially in this digital era.
That's a good single. Nicki's "Starships" did five million. So I mean, it's not like it was a smash hit. However, it clearly wasn't enough of a push for Dre to think Detox would do a million in a week.
you're too young to understand the nostalgia factor....every1 who bought "the chronic" and "2001" who is still alive WILL buy a Dre/Snoop collabo album....like i said, you're simply too young to understand the history and what exactly those 2 names mean to west coast hip-hop...it's not like 2 randomly selected former platinum west coast hip-hop acts would be gettin together to put out some random ass joint album. this is Dre and Snoop... they're the pinnacle of west coast hip-hop. it's like if Pink Floyd re-united to put out a new album.....EVERY rock fan in the world would be on that shit. same with everyone on the west coast when it comes to this shit. i dunno how peeps react to Dre and Snoop out east, but i guarantee you, out here, there wont be 1 person who wont be talkin about it. yea, maybe the high school crowd wont exactly be enthused, but it'll be bigger than that. u just dont get it. not every1 who bought "the chronic" and "doggystyle" will buy "detox"....but like i said, guaranteed they ALL would be in line if a Snoop/Dre album dropped. i dont expect you to understand, and thats fine. if u were born in the 80's and grew up on this shit, u would get what i'm sayin without a shadow of a doubt.
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Smmfh. If "Detox" came out with a whole album based around the sound of "Louis XIII" or "New Day" I would literally stick a burning hot iron rod in my right ear and set my tongue on fire at the same time. Y'all really can't be serious saying that y'all really like that "West Coast Banger" sound in 2012. NO FUCKIN BODY WANTS TO HEAR THAT SHIT ANYMORE, it's not 2000 anymore.
Thats what's wrong with the West/Cali and has been for a long time now, the beat/instrumental game out there sucks. There's absolutely no type of creativity out there and frankly if it wasn't for Nipsey branching out the sound on those "Bullets..." series and the new tapes from Kendrick Lamar and Jay Rock somewhat and most especially Dom Kennedy then there really wouldn't be anything at all to listen for out there.
"That Good" by Glasses Malone has to be some sorta sick joke on Warren G or something. I can boogie to anything no matter who it's by or what it sounds like at any given moment but that whole super played out 1950's Black Man Perm Pre-P-Funk George Clinton hair West Coast Banger sound just ain't where it's at. Why do u think folks like DJ Quik and Tha Dogg Pound are still economically viable as they were 15 years ago is becuz nobody can do it better and the people don't really wanna hear too many/if anybody do it anymore. Say what u want about the south but atleast the sound has been growing over time, u can't say that about the west. Even the East updated the sound jah like.
That West Coast sound's home BELONGS to RnB. Every now and then it's okay for Rap but most of the time it's shitty. U think it takes 2 minutes to make a Southern record, it takes even shorter to make a West Coast record.
we dont expect u to feel that sound...u aint from the west. for u, you liked the cali sound when west coast hip-hop was the popular thing...when it was what was played all on the radio and all up in the clubs.....but for us cats out west, we live this shit. we didn't like west coast hip-hop in the 90's because it was the in sound, we liked it because it was the sound of our region. nowadays, rap music barely has a regional sound anymore....everything sounds the fuckin same. music from new york is interchangeable with music from cali, which is interchangeable with music from chicago, and so on. shits ridiculous.. the west coast sound has evolved a lot, and will continue to evolve......time does change, but the music? it remains the same.
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At this point in their careers, anything they put out will most likely be a disappointment. No thanks.
People need to just enjoy the good shit they already made and stop looking for some uninspired music that they dont even wanna put out. Does anyone check for new Rolling Stones tracks? Nah, but they still appreciate the classics.
Hip-Hop as a genre is newer than other types of music but the same shit applies. Dre knows better. He'd rather sit home and collect checks instead of tarnish his legacy.
putting out "detox" with techno rap beats would be closer to tarnishing his legacy
putting out a snoop lion album with "reggae" songs would be closer to tarnishing his legacy
scrappin those ideas in favor of re-uniting for one final dre/snoop classic (this time together) would be goin out with a bang
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Shut up nik, u sound retarded, go 2 bed
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Shut up nik, u sound retarded, go 2 bed
we don't want west coast bangers in connecticut :'( :'( :'( :'(
lmao
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Shut up nik, u sound retarded, go 2 bed
we don't want west coast bangers in connecticut :'( :'( :'( :'(
lmao
Foh lol. U already know I've always fucked with the West tuff but tbt Nik, and don't lie. That shit is mad corny. It has nothing to do with the generation or any of that. That whole sound is dated. U could make a beat right now with that vibe and a muthafucka could swear on his or her moma's life that shit came out in 99'. Everybody out there still sounds like they use Pro Tools Version 4
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Shut up nik, u sound retarded, go 2 bed
we don't want west coast bangers in connecticut :'( :'( :'( :'(
lmao
Foh lol. U already know I've always fucked with the West tuff but tbt Nik, and don't lie. That shit is mad corny. It has nothing to do with the generation or any of that. That whole sound is dated. U could make a beat right now with that vibe and a muthafucka could swear on his or her moma's life that shit came out in 99'. Everybody out there still sounds like they use Pro Tools Version 4
whats corny? the signature west coast sound? u actin like a signature sound can't evolve.... it doesnt have to sound like that dated shit u talkin about. just like "2001" had a completely different sound from "the chronic"...but it was still that signature west coast shit. evolution is good. but to completely kill what u got goin and move on to the next best thing is on some bitch shit.
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Stop ridin Dr. Dre like that, he's not the only legend and icon from Cali.
And that sound hasn't evolved. In fact, Cali (the westcoast) is the only place in the game that hasn't shown any growth or evolved (in the past decade). And don't be actin like I'm sayin they need to copy the same formula as Three 6 and Lex Luger. In real life as far as talent goes out there for Producing, y'all jah like suck balls foreal foreal
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Its slowly shifting for the better. But it is true that the west coast sound has been the same for way too long now. The whole thing has been dyin a slow death since about 03. Thats almost 10 years of irrelevancy.
I think things are lookin up though. Everybody in the west was lookin for Dre to come and save the day like he did in 99, but I htink its obvious that he's not gonna do it this time around. So you either sit and wait for him to make the west cool again in the eyes of most hip hop fans or you go out and make your own way. I think its shifting towards the latter.
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i swear that is the goat gif you have in your sig. her titties look so juicy
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Stop ridin Dr. Dre like that, he's not the only legend and icon from Cali.
And that sound hasn't evolved. In fact, Cali (the westcoast) is the only place in the game that hasn't shown any growth or evolved (in the past decade). And don't be actin like I'm sayin they need to copy the same formula as Three 6 and Lex Luger. In real life as far as talent goes out there for Producing, y'all jah like suck balls foreal foreal
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he's not the only legend and icon from cali, but he is the biggest...as for cali not evolvin', lmao. maybe because u only listen to one style of cali music. bump some bay shit from 92' then '99 then '06 then from today and see if u notice the difference. shit, the new west sounds NOTHIN like 90s shit, and thats actually peoples main complaint. did u hear daz's new single? it sounds more like some dirty south shit than some west coast shit....so frankly, outside of a few artists who are still tryna preserve the 90s sound, most west coast shit today isn't west coast at all. it's time for a new west coast sound...an evolved sound with the same formula. dre re-created the west coast sound in '99, and it's about time someone does it again.....hopefully, dre can do it 1 last time. if not, our loss.
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Its slowly shifting for the better. But it is true that the west coast sound has been the same for way too long now. The whole thing has been dyin a slow death since about 03. Thats almost 10 years of irrelevancy.
I think things are lookin up though. Everybody in the west was lookin for Dre to come and save the day like he did in 99, but I htink its obvious that he's not gonna do it this time around. So you either sit and wait for him to make the west cool again in the eyes of most hip hop fans or you go out and make your own way. I think its shifting towards the latter.
the thing is, there isn't really a signature west coast sound right about now...everything is just bitin offa' somethin else, whatever's hot. most of the new west coast cats i hear nowadays, i would never guess they were from out here just by listenin to their shit. it's either waynesque flows over some generic dirty south/techno beat, or some artificially formulated hippie shit over beats that have no regional sound whatsoever. shits weird as fuck. back n the day, u play a west coast album, u knew right off the bat it was west coast shit....there are a few artists still pushing a variation of the old west sound, but it's not that common, and they're rarely successful. u think tyga sounds like some west coast shit? would u be able 2 tell Tyler the Creator was west coast if u didnt know? Kendrick Lamar? never. and the list goes on.... the new west is nothing like what yall portraying it as.
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I understand where Arthur is coming from but I beg to differ.
Even though the LA Gangsta scene has been terribly stagnant for close to a decade, there definitely is some type of evolution out west, whether good or bad.
Also, there are dope producers and musicians. 1500 or Nothin, DJ Fresh, Traxamillion, League Of Starz. You got the Livewire Movement in the Bay who are holding it down, and coming with an updated mobb formula. You got the Mobb Figgaz still doing their thing, especially The Jacka. You got Berner who built a rather impressive hype from the ground up. DJ Fresh is killing it with The Tonite Show and dude got beats for days.
It's also worth mentioning that some of the bigger hits of these days are westcoast inspired (Rack City & The Motto, for example).
but yeah, the LA scene hasn't had a bankable frontman for a while, but it seems to me that the underground scene is burgeoning.
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This would have been a good idea maybe 10 years ago but both are in their 40s now and going in different directions. I'm not gonna act like I wouldn't buy it if it came out though.
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it is too late. just like it is too late for a new NWA-album.
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Its slowly shifting for the better. But it is true that the west coast sound has been the same for way too long now. The whole thing has been dyin a slow death since about 03. Thats almost 10 years of irrelevancy.
I think things are lookin up though. Everybody in the west was lookin for Dre to come and save the day like he did in 99, but I htink its obvious that he's not gonna do it this time around. So you either sit and wait for him to make the west cool again in the eyes of most hip hop fans or you go out and make your own way. I think its shifting towards the latter.
u think tyga sounds like some west coast shit? would u be able 2 tell Tyler the Creator was west coast if u didnt know? Kendrick Lamar? never. and the list goes on.... the new west is nothing like what yall portraying it as.
And yet those 3 probably together with Game, who also fits that description, are some of the more popular newer artists from the West, no? So that tells us everything right there.
From an outside perspective i actually agree with @Hollywood Bilderberg Group a 100%. What he is saying is the same thing i've been saying for more than 10 years but it ain't just the rappers and the producers fault it's also the fans fault.
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Can't really say snoop and dre together aren't relevant or marketable at present when you had them as the headliner for Coachella this year.
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Can't really say snoop and dre together aren't relevant or marketable at present when you had them as the headliner for Coachella this year.
headliners at coachella with no album out......imagine what an album could do.
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Every fan of the 90´s era west coast hiphop would of course like to hear this album, but the thing is... we need to move on. We need to just apriciate what has been and look to the future. Dre and Snoop, I think their reign is done. The west coast hiphop sound will definetly sound fresh again. When? Who knows. By who? Again, who knows. But for me personally, I don´t think Dre and Snoop is the leading candidates to do this job.
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I think people have too much wrapped in all of this to actually see the truth. "The Wash" had Dre and Snoop together for the soundtrack. Dre did a handful of songs on Blue Carpet Treatment. They've been fucking with each other in the studio. All this shit came and went and was good but it didn't change the game. So while it would be incredible for them to push for that kind of group project, this idea that it is this priority that will salvage both of their stagnant careers is a bit of a reach. There are no guarantess that just because it's Dr. Dre and Snoop Dogg, that's it going to be some instant classic that will revive the Southern Cali music scene. I'll take my hint from history. Everybody couldn't wait to see Daz and Kurupt re-form Tha Dogg Pound or Eminem start making music with Royce Da 5-9 again or remember when Meth and Red made another "Blackout"album? In most cases, it was about the same. Some folks liked it, others were pissed, and some were indifferent but of the people who were dissapointed, I'd venture to say most had this idea that the chemistry of these artists was going to automatically create some distinctly catchy music that sounded new while nostalgic and the fact was no album was going to match the one they built up in their minds.
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yea, but kurupt+daz, red+meth, em+royce etc. aren't icons on the level of snoop+dre. it's more like if nas and jay-z teamed up to do an album, only they dont have the same history as snoop+dre. i get what ur saying.....but the point i'm makin is, this would have a higher chance at blowin up than what we've currently been getting. even an album fulla songs like "boss life", "hard on the blvd", "imagine", "kush", "the wash" etc would be sufficient, in comparison 2 what were getting now.
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yea, but kurupt+daz, red+meth, em+royce etc. aren't icons on the level of snoop+dre. it's more like if nas and jay-z teamed up to do an album, only they dont have the same history as snoop+dre. i get what ur saying.....but the point i'm makin is, this would have a higher chance at blowin up than what we've currently been getting. even an album fulla songs like "boss life", "hard on the blvd", "imagine", "kush", "the wash" etc would be sufficient, in comparison 2 what were getting now.
But we're more likely to get what we're getting NOW if Snoop and Dre were to do a reunion album. Their work is going to be reflective of where they are at now so it's not likely to sound like all these 2002-2006 songs you're waxing nostalgic about. You're using the word "icon" like throwing it out means a guarantee of something special no matter what. There's plenty of "icons" that we all listened to when we were growing up that don't currently put out music we're interested in buying or listening to. The "iconic" aspect is more tied up to public perception than anything else. I use the examples of these other duos because it fits a far more realistic example of things and illustrates that solid chemistry and a strong collaborative history do not immediately equal timeless music in any context. The Jay-Nas comparison is a poor one, because while they are individually known as icons, they aren't known for their timeless collabos. I would say the Daz-Kurupt and Redman & Method Man comparison is far more effective in showcasing the realsitic outcome of the situation. You can make it to as big a crowd as you like or a smaller one but it's still a fanbase thing. DPG might have the smaller following than Dre-Snoop but the reunion was anticipated just the same to the people who were fans. To have Kurupt back in there with Daz and Daz doing the beats again. This was the situation that cats saw on paper as really being this exciting deal in terms of nostalgia and so with Dillinger & Young Gotti 2, Cali Iz Active, and Kurupt's Daz-produced solo "Same Day, Different Shit", everyone was thinking they were getting the kind of shit they got with Dogg Food, Streetz Iz A Mutha, and the original Dillinger & Young Gotti. And none of those projects, in my opinion, sucked. They just were underwhelming to the fans compared to what the album they had dreamt up in their heads. And it was the same with "Blackout 2". Truth be told, it was the same with The Wash soundtrack and Dre's work on Blue Carpet Treatment. People get these fanboy erections for names on a paper like "Oh! Snoop's new shit would be dope if it's all produced by Dre, Daz, Battlecat, DJ Quik, and Fredwreck and featuring Kurupt, Warren G, and all the old Death Row people" but you know what, he's made plenty of good shit without any of these dudes and made some songs with a few of them that the majority of y'all were just indifferent to. I mean, wasn't Kurupt and Quik's "Blaqkout" supposed to be the ultimate bring the West back collabo? I'm probably one of about five people on this board that actually really dug that project. Remember when "Book of David" was the album that this whole board said was going to be the "real" Detox? I'll be the first to admit that having names on a project can get me excited but the music needs to be there as well. I really enjoyed the last Snoop solo and am still bumping that collabo joint he did with Wiz so Snoop is good. Dre, when he's active, I'm always checking for. A collabo album between the two would be nice but "Detox" is still the album the public is expecting.
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I mean NIK, were you not disappointed with "Watch The Throne"? I mean I wasn't, but a lot of people expected so much more out of that album.
But if they made that album in 2003, it would probably be one of the great albums of the last decade.
Jimmy's on point, you act like they'd come together & make an album with 15 songs on par with "Still DRE".
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watch the thrown sucked ass but i'm surprised NIK cared as he's on record that X Raided is better than Jay Z (wtf?) lol jk nik but wtf!
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watch the thrown sucked ass but i'm surprised NIK cared as he's on record that X Raided is better than Jay Z (wtf?) lol jk nik but wtf!
Lol he said that? Shit is taking stanning to a new degree
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Nik is just being Political becuz he doesn't wanna offend his connects even if he knows wassup, he's not really being Real (can't really blame him tho).
Buuuuuut........ Juicy J is a legend still crankin classics almost a quarter century in the game. No reason why Dre & Snoop can't compete.
http://www.youtube.com/v/iTJSVxxeA8I&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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Stop ridin Dr. Dre like that, he's not the only legend and icon from Cali.
And that sound hasn't evolved. In fact, Cali (the westcoast) is the only place in the game that hasn't shown any growth or evolved (in the past decade). And don't be actin like I'm sayin they need to copy the same formula as Three 6 and Lex Luger. In real life as far as talent goes out there for Producing, y'all jah like suck balls foreal foreal
*edited for preciseness
he's not the only legend and icon from cali, but he is the biggest...as for cali not evolvin', lmao. maybe because u only listen to one style of cali music. bump some bay shit from 92' then '99 then '06 then from today and see if u notice the difference. shit, the new west sounds NOTHIN like 90s shit, and thats actually peoples main complaint. did u hear daz's new single? it sounds more like some dirty south shit than some west coast shit....so frankly, outside of a few artists who are still tryna preserve the 90s sound, most west coast shit today isn't west coast at all. it's time for a new west coast sound...an evolved sound with the same formula. dre re-created the west coast sound in '99, and it's about time someone does it again.....hopefully, dre can do it 1 last time. if not, our loss.
co sign.
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I don't know about everyone else that posted in this thread about wanting to hear an album like Break Ups or Helter Skelter but as far as me, I wasn't saying an album like that would change the world or go 10 times platinum or some shit. I was just saying it would be cool to hear and a project like that and in my opinion would motivate Dre to get back to producing. The man made 110 milli last year mostly off headphones so I know it's probably hard to focus off music selling for $9.99 a pop when his cheapest headphones are around 10 times that. I know he making money off them shits kuz I have 2 pair personally and got everyone in my household a different pair of beats.
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Who doesn't wanna c it happen tho
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I don't think it's a money issue at all. He was working on the Detox for years before headphone money started pouring in and the results were about the same. Like I said, I sure wouldn't mind a Dre-Snoop collabo album but the energy needs to be there for that kind of thing and at the moment, it doesn't seem to be. If working with Snoop was what Dre needed to be motivated, it would have happened by now. They're in the studio together quite a bit. Truthfully, I just want that Dogg Pound album that he and Snoop were supposedly overseeing. That's a good start.
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Nik is just being Political becuz he doesn't wanna offend his connects even if he knows wassup, he's not really being Real (can't really blame him tho).
Buuuuuut........ Juicy J is a legend still crankin classics almost a quarter century in the game. No reason why Dre & Snoop can't compete.
http://www.youtube.com/v/iTJSVxxeA8I&feature=youtube_gdata_player
yet, i got other cats co-signin me.......i guess they not tryna offend my connects either. lol. make sense, homie.
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Nobody said that we/people wouldn't check for it tho
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yea, but kurupt+daz, red+meth, em+royce etc. aren't icons on the level of snoop+dre. it's more like if nas and jay-z teamed up to do an album, only they dont have the same history as snoop+dre. i get what ur saying.....but the point i'm makin is, this would have a higher chance at blowin up than what we've currently been getting. even an album fulla songs like "boss life", "hard on the blvd", "imagine", "kush", "the wash" etc would be sufficient, in comparison 2 what were getting now.
But we're more likely to get what we're getting NOW if Snoop and Dre were to do a reunion album. Their work is going to be reflective of where they are at now so it's not likely to sound like all these 2002-2006 songs you're waxing nostalgic about. You're using the word "icon" like throwing it out means a guarantee of something special no matter what. There's plenty of "icons" that we all listened to when we were growing up that don't currently put out music we're interested in buying or listening to. The "iconic" aspect is more tied up to public perception than anything else. I use the examples of these other duos because it fits a far more realistic example of things and illustrates that solid chemistry and a strong collaborative history do not immediately equal timeless music in any context. The Jay-Nas comparison is a poor one, because while they are individually known as icons, they aren't known for their timeless collabos. I would say the Daz-Kurupt and Redman & Method Man comparison is far more effective in showcasing the realsitic outcome of the situation. You can make it to as big a crowd as you like or a smaller one but it's still a fanbase thing. DPG might have the smaller following than Dre-Snoop but the reunion was anticipated just the same to the people who were fans. To have Kurupt back in there with Daz and Daz doing the beats again. This was the situation that cats saw on paper as really being this exciting deal in terms of nostalgia and so with Dillinger & Young Gotti 2, Cali Iz Active, and Kurupt's Daz-produced solo "Same Day, Different Shit", everyone was thinking they were getting the kind of shit they got with Dogg Food, Streetz Iz A Mutha, and the original Dillinger & Young Gotti. And none of those projects, in my opinion, sucked. They just were underwhelming to the fans compared to what the album they had dreamt up in their heads. And it was the same with "Blackout 2". Truth be told, it was the same with The Wash soundtrack and Dre's work on Blue Carpet Treatment. People get these fanboy erections for names on a paper like "Oh! Snoop's new shit would be dope if it's all produced by Dre, Daz, Battlecat, DJ Quik, and Fredwreck and featuring Kurupt, Warren G, and all the old Death Row people" but you know what, he's made plenty of good shit without any of these dudes and made some songs with a few of them that the majority of y'all were just indifferent to. I mean, wasn't Kurupt and Quik's "Blaqkout" supposed to be the ultimate bring the West back collabo? I'm probably one of about five people on this board that actually really dug that project. Remember when "Book of David" was the album that this whole board said was going to be the "real" Detox? I'll be the first to admit that having names on a project can get me excited but the music needs to be there as well. I really enjoyed the last Snoop solo and am still bumping that collabo joint he did with Wiz so Snoop is good. Dre, when he's active, I'm always checking for. A collabo album between the two would be nice but "Detox" is still the album the public is expecting.
the problem with all that is the artists u mentioned NEVER had the world-wide commercial appeal of Snoop+Dre. i dont think u get it....Kurupt+Daz cant headline Coachella....never could. but its all good. i guess if ur satisfied with Snoop's last 2 efforts, then we share 2 completely different views. disagree 2 agree :D
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Nik u have to understand. Nobody is trying to argue with u about a Dr. Dre and Snoop Dogg album at the end of 2012 as hard as that is to believe for u (,and I get it). It's just that old and tiring
The people still want it but if they not gonna release it then why think about it? At this point in their lives/careers it's either put up or shut up, 2002 was almost 11 years ago (u know, when they mentioned it, or maybe it was 01' but u get the point). While technically that's not that long ago, people still have their own lives to live and newer artists to listen to.
I'm sorry homie
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So what is specifically your point here? Artists with worldwide commercial appeal don't drop albums that "miss" with an audience? No, Kurupt and Daz couldn't headline Coachella but that wasn't what I was driving at. My point was about overall audience expectations. They might put out an album that sells alright but when has Dre ever had a problem with sales? Detox isn't a clusterfuck because "I Need A Doctor" flopped.
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So what is specifically your point here? Artists with worldwide commercial appeal don't drop albums that "miss" with an audience? No, Kurupt and Daz couldn't headline Coachella but that wasn't what I was driving at. My point was about overall audience expectations. They might put out an album that sells alright but when has Dre ever had a problem with sales? Detox isn't a clusterfuck because "I Need A Doctor" flopped.
i'm saying the album would be quality...how hard is it really 2 get? lol
as far as sales goes, a lot of people are saying dre isn't releasing "detox" because he's scared it wont sell. whether thats true or not is unknown, but dont sit there and act like that aint been 1 of the theories bein thrown around.
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Nik u have to understand. Nobody is trying to argue with u about a Dr. Dre and Snoop Dogg album at the end of 2012 as hard as that is to believe for u (,and I get it). It's just that old and tiring
The people still want it but if they not gonna release it then why think about it? At this point in their lives/careers it's either put up or shut up, 2002 was almost 11 years ago (u know, when they mentioned it, or maybe it was 01' but u get the point). While technically that's not that long ago, people still have their own lives to live and newer artists to listen to.
I'm sorry homie
More people read these board than you think...so if u really want the album, i'd suggest u approach these threads wit a different mentality, my dude.
btw, the concept for this album was originally proposed in the mid-90's....it's sorta like "freddy vs jason". that movie was talked about for nearly 2 decades before it finally came 2 fruition. then when it was released, it did much better in the box office than any of the previous freddy or jason movies, despite the wait.
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Yes, great comparison. A long-awaited slasher series mash-up that was horridly mediocre, made some money, and opened the door for God-awful shitty remakes of both movies. No thank you across the board on that one, buddy.
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Yes, great comparison. A long-awaited slasher series mash-up that was horridly mediocre, made some money, and opened the door for God-awful shitty remakes of both movies. No thank you across the board on that one, buddy.
i thought "Freddy vs Jason" was dope....good way for Freddy/Jason 2 go out. 8)
the remakes aren't part of the franchise, as far as the real fans concerned.