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Title: Michael Jackson official thread! -all the NEWS
Post by: RECOGNIZE187 on January 17, 2008, 06:33:38 PM
unreleased track...thats gonna be on new thriller 25 album! Mike added some new vocals!!

it's nice!!

enjoy 8)

http://www.sendspace.com/file/7eh5d7 (http://www.sendspace.com/file/7eh5d7)
Title: Re: Michael Jackson - For all time (2008)
Post by: QuietTruth on January 17, 2008, 06:42:41 PM
That's what's up. February, word?
Title: Re: Michael Jackson - For all time (2008)
Post by: RECOGNIZE187 on January 17, 2008, 06:52:01 PM
yea...12.2...ill buy it !
(http://www4.slikomat.com/07/1205/akc-mj.jpg)
Title: Re: Michael Jackson - For all time (2008)
Post by: QuietTruth on January 17, 2008, 06:53:03 PM
That's sick shit. 8)
Title: Re: Michael Jackson - For all time (2008)
Post by: Jome on January 17, 2008, 07:12:55 PM
Tracklist & credits:

http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=165536.0

Title: Re: Michael Jackson - For all time (2008)
Post by: RECOGNIZE187 on January 17, 2008, 07:26:06 PM
Tracklist & credits:

http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=165536.0



thankz,but ...well check tha thread! :)


anyway...yall can hate on mike..but thriller is the greatest album of all time!! he is a genius!
amazing how the songs still sound so fresh in 2008!

check official site & myspace

www.michaeljackson.com (http://www.michaeljackson.com)

www.myspace.com/michaeljackson (http://www.myspace.com/michaeljackson)
Title: Re: Michael Jackson - For all time (2008)
Post by: QuietTruth on January 17, 2008, 07:27:42 PM
anyway...yall can hate on mike..
Don't call 'em on it.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson - For all time (2008)
Post by: funkkid on January 17, 2008, 08:30:45 PM
 8)
Title: Re: Michael Jackson - For all time (2008)
Post by: Joseph Bonanno on January 17, 2008, 10:00:24 PM
The akon remake was nowhere near the original but still entertaining. cant wait for the album. cool cover too
Title: Re: Michael Jackson - For all time (2008)
Post by: -CaliKid- on January 18, 2008, 01:15:20 AM
yea...12.2...ill buy it !
(http://www4.slikomat.com/07/1205/akc-mj.jpg)

shit, ima get it 4sho  8)
Title: Re: Michael Jackson - For all time (2008)
Post by: Tha Psycho Hustla on January 18, 2008, 01:23:03 AM
how they know its gon be "biggest selling album of all time"?
Title: Re: Michael Jackson - For all time (2008)
Post by: RECOGNIZE187 on January 18, 2008, 03:30:31 AM
thriller is! over 100 million copys!! this is just the re release with extra material!

ps : how yall like tha track?
Title: Re: Michael Jackson - For all time (2008)
Post by: frisch213 on January 18, 2008, 03:58:54 AM
download it....don't put money in this child molesters pocket....he's only releasing this coz he owes millions....
Title: Re: Michael Jackson - For all time (2008)
Post by: -CaliKid- on January 18, 2008, 05:03:46 AM
download it....don't put money in this child molesters pocket....he's only releasing this coz he owes millions....

 ::)

Title: Re: Michael Jackson - For all time (2008)
Post by: R1ZE on January 18, 2008, 07:57:43 AM
how they know its gon be "biggest selling album of all time"?

for some reason i found this funny  ;D

since this re-release has more than 3 new songs, it wont add on to the original thrillers sales, right? you'd think they would try and milk it for 200 mill or something
Title: Re: Michael Jackson - For all time (2008)
Post by: Shallow on January 18, 2008, 08:13:48 AM
thriller is! over 100 million copys!!


No it's not.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson - For all time (2008)
Post by: RECOGNIZE187 on January 18, 2008, 08:19:31 AM
yea it is...worldwide!! Guinness book of World Records
104 million copies sold internationaly
54 million in the USA

SOURCE:sony/bmg RIAA .Billboard

he is the most successful entertainer off all time

look down on the right..for thriller!!

(http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/7237/mjyr3.jpg)

Title: Re: Michael Jackson - For all time (2008)
Post by: RECOGNIZE187 on January 18, 2008, 08:20:03 AM
how they know its gon be "biggest selling album of all time"?

for some reason i found this funny  ;D

since this re-release has more than 3 new songs, it wont add on to the original thrillers sales, right? you'd think they would try and milk it for 200 mill or something

i think it will add..its still thriller
Title: Re: Michael Jackson - For all time (2008)
Post by: Shallow on January 18, 2008, 09:47:51 AM
yea it is...worldwide!! Guinness book of World Records
104 million copies sold internationaly
54 million in the USA

SOURCE:sony/bmg RIAA .Billboard

he is the most successful entertainer off all time






I don't care what that phony picture frame says. Maybe it means 104 million dollars generated. I fon't know. But RIAA which you brought uop lists Thriller at 27 platinum and MJ as a whole at 60.5 platinum. Your numbers on Thriller US sales are double what they really are. In fact if you tally up all the ceritification from all the major music markets you'll get under 60 million.

Country    Certification        Sales
Argentina    10x Platinum    500,000
Australia    12x Platinum      850,000
Brazil    6x Diamond              2,000,000
Belgium    11x Platinum     550,000
Canada    2x Diamond          2,000,000
Finland    3x Platinum        90,000
France    3x Diamond          3,000,000
Germany    3x Platinum   1,500,000
Japan    2x Diamond           2,500,000
Mexico    Diamond             500,000
Netherlands    11x Platinum  880,000
New Zealand    Diamond      150,000
Portugal    3x Platinum    140,000
Spain    8x Platinum             640,000
Switzerland    6x Platinum    240,000
UK    11x Platinum           3,570,000
USA       27x Platinum        27,000,000


So where are these magical countries that bring in the other 45 million sales? Show me the figues. If Thriller sold 104 million then Hulk Hogan is really 6'8''.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson - For all time (2008)
Post by: cyence on January 18, 2008, 10:41:21 AM
link no worky
Title: Re: Michael Jackson - For all time (2008)
Post by: RECOGNIZE187 on January 18, 2008, 05:29:33 PM
yea it is...worldwide!! Guinness book of World Records
104 million copies sold internationaly
54 million in the USA

SOURCE:sony/bmg RIAA .Billboard

he is the most successful entertainer off all time






I don't care what that phony picture frame says. Maybe it means 104 million dollars generated. I fon't know. But RIAA which you brought uop lists Thriller at 27 platinum and MJ as a whole at 60.5 platinum. Your numbers on Thriller US sales are double what they really are. In fact if you tally up all the ceritification from all the major music markets you'll get under 60 million.

Country    Certification        Sales
Argentina    10x Platinum    500,000
Australia    12x Platinum      850,000
Brazil    6x Diamond              2,000,000
Belgium    11x Platinum     550,000
Canada    2x Diamond          2,000,000
Finland    3x Platinum        90,000
France    3x Diamond          3,000,000
Germany    3x Platinum   1,500,000
Japan    2x Diamond           2,500,000
Mexico    Diamond             500,000
Netherlands    11x Platinum  880,000
New Zealand    Diamond      150,000
Portugal    3x Platinum    140,000
Spain    8x Platinum             640,000
Switzerland    6x Platinum    240,000
UK    11x Platinum           3,570,000
USA       27x Platinum        27,000,000


So where are these magical countries that bring in the other 45 million sales? Show me the figues. If Thriller sold 104 million then Hulk Hogan is really 6'8''.
u r stupid!!
104 million means copies!! not money!! it was in the new ebony magazine also..it says :104 million copies!!

u have england...then u have asia...japan china and so on..WORLDWIDE! u know how many countrys! + thriller was released in 1982! now its 2008! it was re released a couple of times...also before u had LP's...cassetes...,later cd's and so on!people bought new copies, they wanted the album on cd!!  at the time of the trial 2003,thriller sold a lot of millions!
use your brain man..dont think with your ass.and stop hatin
Invincible his last album,sold around 10 million copies worldwide!!without the real promotion!! so its only logical and normal thriller sold 100 ! i mean,who didn't buy thriller?? i have 3 lp's,2 cds,1 special edition cd,2 cassetes..and im gonna buy this new one too..so basicly i have 9 copies myself!!!
its in the book! that thriller sold 104 worldwide! are u an idiot??????
forget about the millions, its the biggest selling album of all time!!!!! if u like it or not!! ITS IN THE BOOK!! ITS A FACT!!!!
(http://www4.slikomat.com/08/0119/ez7-1.jpg)

and u can hate on him...but still...!read!

Michael Jackson is an American R&B, pop and rock artist whose recording career has spanned from 1963 to the present. In 1982, Jackson recorded what has been named the best-selling album of all-time, Thriller with reported worldwide sales of over 104 million from Guinness World Records.

Michael Jackson's record company Sony BMG has never given an accumulative sales figure for Jackson, but estimates vary for Jackson's top 3 albums as selling between 120 and 160 million alone. It has been estimated by various fan sites that Jackson's accumulative worldwide sales is about 300 million, while in November 2006, Jackson's publicist, Raymone K. Bain, announced that Jackson had sold over 750 million albums and singles worldwide.

Michael Jackson has been awarded numerous honors, including the World Music Awards' Best-selling pop male artist of the Millennium,[5]and on November 14, 2006, The Guinness Book Of Records presented Jackson with eight certificates for musical achievements. Among them was an award for being "The most successful Entertainer of all time" for various achievements. He also received an award for being the "Highest paid Entertainer of all time" (he received $125 million in album/singles sales in 1989). Among six of the other certificates for musical achievements, Jackson also received an award for being the "First Entertainer to sell more than 100 million albums outside the US." Jackson is often referred to as the 'King of Pop' by fans and media alike.

From 1963 to 1984, Jackson was also a member of The Jackson 5 (later called "The Jacksons"). Their accumulative worldwide sales are reported to be be approximately 140 million [11]. Sometimes their sales total is added to Jackson's solo sales total because he was their lead singer from 1968 to 1984 and chief songwriter from 1978 to 1984.

so..MJ >> beatles & elvis!!!
so yea..for all the racist people...the most successful artist of all time is a BLACK man!!
Title: Re: Michael Jackson - For all time (2008)
Post by: RECOGNIZE187 on January 18, 2008, 05:33:51 PM
link no worky

new link is up  :)
Title: Re: Michael Jackson - For all time (2008)
Post by: Cali_Raized on January 18, 2008, 05:38:26 PM
Gonna cop this no doubt hes a music legend 8)
Title: Re: Michael Jackson - For all time (2008)
Post by: Trauma-san on January 18, 2008, 08:36:48 PM
Amazing how That stupid fucker up above trusts his own limited NET research more than he trusts the Guiness Book of World Records, a well established company that put it's reputation on the line to back up that number.  What a fucking moron. 

"Platinum" certifications are requested by the specific record companies, and they provide their own numbers to prove the certifications.  Just because Sony hasn't requested platinum certifications in years in some of these countries doesn't say shit.

Face it.  Michael Jackson sold more copies of Thriller than the eagles did.  Sorry to piss you off, I know you don't like him, but it's what's called "REALITY".  Not always what you want. 

Title: Re: Michael Jackson - For all time (2008)
Post by: Trauma-san on January 18, 2008, 08:43:34 PM
unreleased track...thats gonna be on new thriller 25 album! Mike added some new vocals!!

it's nice!!

enjoy 8)

http://www.sendspace.com/file/7eh5d7 (http://www.sendspace.com/file/7eh5d7)

I think the whole lead is new.  I can't prove that, but his voice sounds slightly different now than it did then, basically he had more energy then because he was younger and this vocal sounds more like his recent stuff.  Good song.  I don't know why the hell he won't do shit like this anymore, and I don't know why it takes him 5 years to touch up 4 songs.  Pfft. 
Title: Re: Michael Jackson - For all time (2008)
Post by: Shallow on January 18, 2008, 10:57:46 PM
Amazing how That stupid fucker up above trusts his own limited NET research more than he trusts the Guiness Book of World Records, a well established company that put it's reputation on the line to back up that number.  What a fucking moron. 

"Platinum" certifications are requested by the specific record companies, and they provide their own numbers to prove the certifications.  Just because Sony hasn't requested platinum certifications in years in some of these countries doesn't say shit.

Face it.  Michael Jackson sold more copies of Thriller than the eagles did.  Sorry to piss you off, I know you don't like him, but it's what's called "REALITY".  Not always what you want. 




Guiness can only go on what Sony gives them. Thriller gets certiified more than any other album. Guiness isn't so smart either. They still think the real number for Wrestlemania 3 was over 90,000. It wasn't. The same site that said 104 million also gave me the list I put up. Where do the other sales come from? Are those figures wrong? Prove it. Don't just hid behind "well Guiness says so". Guiness isn't the be all end all of numbers. They got the WM3 and the Pope speech wrong because the numbers they were given were fake. In the late 80s the Pope spoke to about 88,000 people in the Silverdome. Then WM3 sold 78,000 tickets and McMahon, who also said Hogan was 6'8'', doctored the number to 93,000 so he could brag about beating the Pope. A few years later the Pope people realized they had more people there and instead of calling Vince on it they just doctored the number too and made it just over 93,000. So unless it took the Catholic Church and the Silverdome 6 years to find the missing 6,000 people it doesn't make any other sense for it to say 88,000 in 87/88 and 93,000 in 94.

Now I just proved the fallibility of Guiness and I gave figures that make Thriller's 104 seem unlikeky. Show me I'm wrong.


Oh and Recognize said MJ was greater than Elvis and the Beatles. Why don't you speak on that homie?
Title: Re: Michael Jackson - For all time (2008)
Post by: RECOGNIZE187 on January 19, 2008, 04:18:35 AM
man learn how to think and read!! i didnt say he is greater!! (even tho he is) i said he sold more records!!! coz everybody thinks the beatles sold the most or elvis...but MJ DID!!worldwide ...funny shit also that he owns their music now
Title: Re: Michael Jackson - For all time (2008)
Post by: RECOGNIZE187 on January 19, 2008, 04:21:22 AM
unreleased track...thats gonna be on new thriller 25 album! Mike added some new vocals!!

it's nice!!

enjoy 8)

http://www.sendspace.com/file/7eh5d7 (http://www.sendspace.com/file/7eh5d7)

I think the whole lead is new.  I can't prove that, but his voice sounds slightly different now than it did then, basically he had more energy then because he was younger and this vocal sounds more like his recent stuff.  Good song.  I don't know why the hell he won't do shit like this anymore, and I don't know why it takes him 5 years to touch up 4 songs.  Pfft. 

yea he added some new vocals,and stuff,,he did the new mastering!
he will do more tracks like this,im sure!
well it takes 5 years yea,but he makes more that 100 songs,but only 15 make on the album! but also before 2001,he did videos,world tour,thats why it takes more years...
Title: Re: Michael Jackson - For all time (2008)
Post by: Blu Lacez on January 19, 2008, 06:00:32 AM
No Sure..if these new version will do justice..
I'm HUGE Michael Jackson fan,but I'm very doubtful this will do anything..

However I'm happy to hear that he is still working, singing and writing Songs!!!
Got to admit,it must be hard for Him, when he is expected to make songs that are suppose to sell millions,and when they fall short of that 'mark' it's like he has Failed, I'm sure that  must take it's toll on Him and his craft and approach to his music!!!

Other than that, I've also enjoyed his music irrespective of whether it hits the mark or Not!!

MJ is a Legend in My Book-Always!
And That's Real!



Title: Re: Michael Jackson - For all time (2008)
Post by: KURUPTION-81 on January 19, 2008, 07:49:50 AM
will be getting this for sure
Title: Re: Michael Jackson - For all time (2008)
Post by: Shallow on January 19, 2008, 08:21:08 AM
man learn how to think and read!! i didnt say he is greater!! (even tho he is) i said he sold more records!!! coz everybody thinks the beatles sold the most or elvis...but MJ DID!!worldwide ...funny shit also that he owns their music now


Singles and albums combined Elvis has over a billion sold.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson - For all time (2008)
Post by: white Boy on January 20, 2008, 03:15:52 PM
honestly, i love mj, but i dont think you could compare him to the beatles or elvis, or even a bunch more artists, (at least 10), he's not on THat level of greatness
Title: Re: Michael Jackson - For all time (2008)
Post by: Trauma's gay lover.... Bubba Jo on January 20, 2008, 04:03:06 PM
Shallow why are you such a jerk for.  Like OMG my lover Trauma knows more about Michael Jackson and music then like you ever will you asshole. You're just ignorant, thats ignorant.  Don't worry Trauma my honey bunny I have your back if you know what I mean.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson - For all time (2008)
Post by: Shallow on January 21, 2008, 10:13:34 AM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


Sorry Bubba, I'll pipe down.






honestly, i love mj, but i dont think you could compare him to the beatles or elvis, or even a bunch more artists, (at least 10), he's not on THat level of greatness

MJ super fans are like animal rights nuts or tree huggers. If MJ was found guilty when all those goofs were outside the court room and you tried to incite suicide bombing and supllied the bombs I garauntee you'd end up with atleast a small line up waiting to get strapped with a bomb. It's not that they think he's the greatest artist. It's that they think he is above everyone, more than a man. Forget about comparing his "genuis" with Mozart or Bethoveen. They'd argue MJ contributed more to the world than DaVinci or Isaac Netwon.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson - For all time (2008)
Post by: The King on January 21, 2008, 10:51:06 AM
Quote
Now I just proved the fallibility of Guiness

You didn't really prove anything. You quoted two numbers, which you say are wrong. Now, assuming you are right, how does getting an attendance number wrong prove the fallibility of an entire enterprise. To prove something is completely unreliable requires some common sense. Going from getting this wrong, to not believing a thing Guiness says is very illogical. Millions of facts, one or two errors shouldn't ruin credibility. Nothing is perfect.

Should everyone believe Thriller sold 104 million albums. If you look at almost every source of media, they all quote that number.

Quote
Now I just proved the fallibility of Guiness and I gave figures that make Thriller's 104 seem unlikeky. Show me I'm wrong.

If you had an education you would realize the burden of proof is on you. Common knowledge and hundreds of reputable sources say 104 million. You disagree. So it's on YOU to prove us wrong. You think Guiness is wrong. Please give some real facts on why Guiness is a unreliable source. And one "wrong" attendance record does not count. Don't make an idiot out of yourself.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson - For all time (2008)
Post by: white Boy on January 21, 2008, 10:53:27 AM
he never said it is completely unreliable, just that it COUld be wrong....

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


Sorry Bubba, I'll pipe down.






honestly, i love mj, but i dont think you could compare him to the beatles or elvis, or even a bunch more artists, (at least 10), he's not on THat level of greatness

MJ super fans are like animal rights nuts or tree huggers. If MJ was found guilty when all those goofs were outside the court room and you tried to incite suicide bombing and supllied the bombs I garauntee you'd end up with atleast a small line up waiting to get strapped with a bomb. It's not that they think he's the greatest artist. It's that they think he is above everyone, more than a man. Forget about comparing his "genuis" with Mozart or Bethoveen. They'd argue MJ contributed more to the world than DaVinci or Isaac Netwon.
i still dont put him in the low place that you put him, i think hes amazing, but not top 10 artist, and thriller is dope as fuck and i really could give a fuck less how much it sold, the eagles sold soooo much and they suck.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson - For all time (2008)
Post by: Shallow on January 21, 2008, 12:23:52 PM
Quote
Now I just proved the fallibility of Guiness

You didn't really prove anything. You quoted two numbers, which you say are wrong. Now, assuming you are right, how does getting an attendance number wrong prove the fallibility of an entire enterprise. To prove something is completely unreliable requires some common sense. Going from getting this wrong, to not believing a thing Guiness says is very illogical. Millions of facts, one or two errors shouldn't ruin credibility. Nothing is perfect.

Should everyone believe Thriller sold 104 million albums. If you look at almost every source of media, they all quote that number.

Quote
Now I just proved the fallibility of Guiness and I gave figures that make Thriller's 104 seem unlikeky. Show me I'm wrong.

If you had an education you would realize the burden of proof is on you. Common knowledge and hundreds of reputable sources say 104 million. You disagree. So it's on YOU to prove us wrong. You think Guiness is wrong. Please give some real facts on why Guiness is a unreliable source. And one "wrong" attendance record does not count. Don't make an idiot out of yourself.


Like white boy said; COULD be wrong. Proving fallibilty is not the same as claiming it can never be trusted. I just want to know where the other 40 million sales come from. I want to know how an album can go from 42 million in 2000 to get corrected at 56 million in '04/'05 and then all of a sudden hit over 100 million. Maybe they are counting how many albums were shipped. I'd like to see you're hundreds of sources. Wikipedia says 104, it also says "His Thriller album has sold 60 million copies making it the best selling album of all time" ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Best-selling_music_artist ) . Amazon.com says "Michael Jackson's Thriller is the bestselling album of all time, with 45 million worldwide sales powered by seven Top 10 U.S. singles and eight Grammy Awards." You'd think the almighty Guiness would have made sure everyone had their story straight.

You want proof of the Silverdome fuck up just go to a library and check through the books over the late 80s and early 90s. You'll see the number cange before your eyes. Read the news paper articles of the Pope in 88 and then read the articles mentioned the Pope after 94. You'll see the number change.



White Boy. I think MJ is amazing too. Just no more amazing than Barry Gibb, Elton John, Billy Joel, Lionel Richie or Phil Collins. Every one of them had a great number of classic songs and great albums. To be hoest I just don't care for any of the non singles of Thriller (I like Human Nature a bit though).

Asa creator of songs I don't put him in the same league as Dylan, or Lennon/McCartney, or Hendrix. As a raw talent I don't put him in the same league as Wilson Pickett, or Little Richard, or Marvin Gaye.

He's good as far as I'm concerned but his actual music is only like 10% of the reason he's so big. The other 90 consists of his personal life, a super charged record company putting all the muscle behind him, a producer who knew the right sound for the time, and Ron Reagan with his trickle down economics.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson - For all time (2008)
Post by: white Boy on January 21, 2008, 01:56:02 PM
^ how about his performance and his dancing, id say thats a good 40% of it
Title: Re: Michael Jackson - For all time (2008)
Post by: Shallow on January 21, 2008, 03:42:37 PM
^ how about his performance and his dancing, id say thats a good 40% of it


I'll equate it wit the music. So 10 + 10 + 80% the other shit.


To be honest I never liked te dancing much. I prefer the old style tap dancing and ball room stuff. I've seen nearly ful MJ performances of entire concerts and he uses that uncuff the button move like 300 times. It gets very annoying. It's like 5 dance moves used over and over. The music I can dig. The singing I can deal with, particularly his kid singing from the 70s, but his dancing I never liked that much.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson - For all time (2008)
Post by: RECOGNIZE187 on January 21, 2008, 04:19:06 PM
well he is the best!

listen to his voice...listen to the energy...the way he sings...listen to his background vocals...his voice is just so beautiful and special! even when he was 9 years old!its so natural...
sorry but i cant say elvis or beatles or others have beautiful voice! they are good singers tho...
 
then watch him dance..perform

then his videos...


and put everything together!!! he is the best in all of that!

thats why i say he is the best..coz he does everything!!!others sing or dance..but they dont do it all ,like MJ!
he can do a pop track,or rock,or soul..no matter what type of track and he kills it!
why u think all his songs still sounds so fresh??

and listen to his albums...thriller.., bad..tracks like man in the mirror!! nobody comes close SORRY!!

he is the most famous person in the world!!

lol shallow! Mj is one of the best dancers ever..even the greats like sammy davis and gene kelly and sinatra said that about him!

u like tap dancing? well check this

https://www.youtube.com/v/2Uc0plr-tiU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Uc0plr-tiU)

i guess u didnt see this

https://www.youtube.com/v/DH-QDOZqdus (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DH-QDOZqdus)

and i guess u never saw the black or white video on teh end (long version) where he is dancing in the street
and i guess u didn't see the movie ghosts!

why he is the best!?

https://www.youtube.com/v/IEiLjn26eXs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEiLjn26eXs)

shit,he even beatbox
https://www.youtube.com/v/g1sVjC68Dik (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1sVjC68Dik)

produce and write a lot of his shit!!


i mean..he was number 1 in 70',80s, '90s, 2000...and now he will be again! nobody did that!! i think thats enough to say he is the best!

+ he has the biggest fanbase !! why u think he has such loyal fans?? coz he is not good?

+ he influenced everybody today...there would be no RNB today...without him mtv would not play black videos...and we all know what that means!


he is just amazing!!
https://www.youtube.com/v/IjmalHcQh54 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjmalHcQh54)

so u cant compare him  to phill collins or billie joel lol!!

MJ is really underated as a singer...

MJ all the entertaniment...music,singing,dancing,videos,concerts... = PERFECTION

none MJ fans dont know 90 % of  what MJ did and can do ...u only know some songs and u saw some videos!...

u dont even know that on his albums 50 % of the songs are written & produced by MJ alone!!! others are co produced by others but MJ always does the demo alone at home!

u all forgot about projects like we are the world...and not to mention what a nice and humble person he is and how much money he gave to charity!!


and the moonwalk..and the ET story book...and the movie moonwalker...list goes on and on!!


and he has the coolest name haha..i mean  "MICHAEL JACKSON!!! "




Title: Re: Michael Jackson - For all time (2008)
Post by: Mackin on January 22, 2008, 06:49:39 AM
well he is the best!

listen to his voice...listen to the energy...the way he sings...listen to his background vocals...his voice is just so beautiful and special! even when he was 9 years old!its so natural...
sorry but i cant say elvis or beatles or others have beautiful voice! they are good singers tho...
 
then watch him dance..perform

then his videos...


and put everything together!!! he is the best in all of that!

thats why i say he is the best..coz he does everything!!!others sing or dance..but they dont do it all ,like MJ!
he can do a pop track,or rock,or soul..no matter what type of track and he kills it!
why u think all his songs still sounds so fresh??

and listen to his albums...thriller.., bad..tracks like man in the mirror!! nobody comes close SORRY!!

he is the most famous person in the world!!

lol shallow! Mj is one of the best dancers ever..even the greats like sammy davis and gene kelly and sinatra said that about him!

u like tap dancing? well check this

https://www.youtube.com/v/2Uc0plr-tiU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Uc0plr-tiU)

i guess u didnt see this

https://www.youtube.com/v/DH-QDOZqdus (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DH-QDOZqdus)

and i guess u never saw the black or white video on teh end (long version) where he is dancing in the street
and i guess u didn't see the movie ghosts!

why he is the best!?

https://www.youtube.com/v/IEiLjn26eXs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEiLjn26eXs)

shit,he even beatbox
https://www.youtube.com/v/g1sVjC68Dik (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1sVjC68Dik)

produce and write a lot of his shit!!


i mean..he was number 1 in 70',80s, '90s, 2000...and now he will be again! nobody did that!! i think thats enough to say he is the best!

+ he has the biggest fanbase !! why u think he has such loyal fans?? coz he is not good?

+ he influenced everybody today...there would be no RNB today...without him mtv would not play black videos...and we all know what that means!


he is just amazing!!
https://www.youtube.com/v/IjmalHcQh54 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjmalHcQh54)

so u cant compare him  to phill collins or billie joel lol!!

MJ is really underated as a singer...

MJ all the entertaniment...music,singing,dancing,videos,concerts... = PERFECTION

none MJ fans dont know 90 % of  what MJ did and can do ...u only know some songs and u saw some videos!...

u dont even know that on his albums 50 % of the songs are written & produced by MJ alone!!! others are co produced by others but MJ always does the demo alone at home!

u all forgot about projects like we are the world...and not to mention what a nice and humble person he is and how much money he gave to charity!!


and the moonwalk..and the ET story book...and the movie moonwalker...list goes on and on!!


and he has the coolest name haha..i mean  "MICHAEL JACKSON!!! "







....Whoa...Slow Your Rol There Homie..What You Just Posted Reads like an obsesses Fan Letter..than A Fan Stating facts!!
I'm a Big MJ Fan....that's creepy Re:What've been typin...'
Title: Re: Michael Jackson - For all time (2008)
Post by: Mackin on January 22, 2008, 06:52:51 AM
We all know MJ can would have been bigger than he really is,He is still a mega star,but lets face it, if He hadn't got himself rapped up in the tabloids and scandals..rumors et al.I believe he would have been even greater if not the Greatest Artist ever.

Even with all these rumors and malicious accusations about Him, He seems to still top award shows!!

Which in it self is amazing!
Title: Re: Michael Jackson - For all time (2008)
Post by: Cheese on January 22, 2008, 06:57:55 AM
can someone upload the song in zshare please?
Title: Re: Michael Jackson - For all time (2008)
Post by: Mackin on January 22, 2008, 07:19:32 AM
can someone upload the song in zshare please?
1.mp3 - 5.22MB (http://www.zshare.net/audio/67733826d50cb4/)

Enjoy!
Title: Re: Michael Jackson - For all time (2008)
Post by: white Boy on January 22, 2008, 09:52:51 AM
i think to compare michaels voice to elvis' is outragous, ill give you at least 10 better singers than Michael,
Title: Re: Michael Jackson - For all time (2008)
Post by: Shallow on January 22, 2008, 02:22:05 PM
i think to compare michaels voice to elvis' is outragous, ill give you at least 10 better singers than Michael,


It's pointless man trust me. The guy is an MJ nut. He would let MJ babysit his young son could walk in on MJ sticking his penis inside the kid's mouth and not only be okay with it but spin it like it was a great thing to happen. Look how he went on about the name.


For the record the average high school band leader in 60s Detroit, the ones that never got record deals, were better singers than MJ, and better singers than any current black male with a record contrant.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson - For all time (2008)
Post by: LyRiCaL_G on January 22, 2008, 03:06:57 PM
michael jackson or elvis?.....fuck the elvis shit, imma pick up a mj cd everytime over that shit....its all about opinions...we all know who the groupies and low life haters on this site are when it comes to mj but as far as im concerned and sooo many millions and millions of people from all over the world, mj is one of the greatest to ever do it.

whether u like his songs, dancing and so on....don't really matter because no doubt there is so much genius in his entertainment that really trying to argue otherwise gets really boring....his one of the best ever, period

pz
Title: Re: Michael Jackson - For all time (2008)
Post by: Mackin on January 22, 2008, 03:08:58 PM
i think to compare michaels voice to elvis' is outragous, ill give you at least 10 better singers than Michael,


It's pointless man trust me. The guy is an MJ nut. He would let MJ babysit his young son could walk in on MJ sticking his penis inside the kid's mouth and not only be okay with it but spin it like it was a great thing to happen. Look how he went on about the name.


For the record the average high school band leader in 60s Detroit, the ones that never got record deals, were better singers than MJ, and better singers than any current black male with a record contrant.


Nobody is disputing that!

However what is apparent is, that MJ was given the opportunity to shine he was given the chance to sing and a a chance to perform,
This he did with all gusto,and proved to the folks that gave him a shot,that they were right when they picked Him
That much is undeniable, Dude did A GREAT JOB.
All Rumors and scandals aside!!

Contract or no Contact..what matters is what you do with the opportunity that you are given...

It's Just unfortunate that Recognize is displaying a little too much emotion..
Title: Re: Michael Jackson - For all time (2008)
Post by: LyRiCaL_G on January 22, 2008, 03:11:15 PM
i think to compare michaels voice to elvis' is outragous, ill give you at least 10 better singers than Michael,


It's pointless man trust me. The guy is an MJ nut. He would let MJ babysit his young son could walk in on MJ sticking his penis inside the kid's mouth and not only be okay with it but spin it like it was a great thing to happen. Look how he went on about the name.


For the record the average high school band leader in 60s Detroit, the ones that never got record deals, were better singers than MJ, and better singers than any current black male with a record contrant.

just think how much better they are than the current crop of white singers then
Title: Re: Michael Jackson - For all time (2008)
Post by: RECOGNIZE187 on January 22, 2008, 04:07:16 PM
i think to compare michaels voice to elvis' is outragous, ill give you at least 10 better singers than Michael,

everybody has their own taste! some would say some Opera singers have better voice!

i was talkin about his VOICE!!! the way it sounds...not that he is better singer!
 even when he speaks...
maybe u can say there are better singers...but that is your opinion!

mike's voice is beautiful!!! others is not!they can be better singers but  i can't imagine other singers singin ballads like she out of my life,lady in my life and human nature,liberian girl...
With mike it's just so natural...and when he sings high...
i dont know..it just sounds so special ...

why u think MJ's music made so many people cry?? coz it touches u! his voice!

for example this acapella!

https://www.youtube.com/v/bpP5JqymcDY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpP5JqymcDY)

he's just too charismatic

u can have millions of better singers than MJ...but nobody has such a nice/beautiiul/natural voice!!!that's my point!!!


its like when other says 2pac is not the greatest!! well,others might have better flow and lyrics..but it was somethin special about Pac...charisma,his voice,the person!!...get it??

everybody has their own style and voice...in pop rock soul and so on...from bruce springstin to elton jon! but for me, MJ has the best voice and is the best singer ever! its jut my opinion...and since he sold the most records its not only mine opinion
Title: Re: Michael Jackson - For all time (2008)
Post by: Javier on January 22, 2008, 04:11:54 PM
What's larger? The number of exclamation points Recognize has typed or the number of albums Michael Jackson has recorded?
Title: Re: Michael Jackson - For all time (2008)
Post by: RECOGNIZE187 on January 22, 2008, 04:28:27 PM
i think to compare michaels voice to elvis' is outragous, ill give you at least 10 better singers than Michael,


It's pointless man trust me. The guy is an MJ nut. He would let MJ babysit his young son could walk in on MJ sticking his penis inside the kid's mouth and not only be okay with it but spin it like it was a great thing to happen. Look how he went on about the name.


For the record the average high school band leader in 60s Detroit, the ones that never got record deals, were better singers than MJ, and better singers than any current black male with a record contrant.

man...i know what i like..and what is good!i aint no nut!!
 i listen to hardcore gangsta shit ,old school...
i don't listen to pop and rnb!!
only MJ...so it must be somethin special about him don't u think?

if u don't put MJ in your top 10 greatest singers its somethin wrong with u!
i guess yall also think stevie wonder is nothin special right??
then u are saying all this white guys...phill collins,bilie joel are better then MJ...,LOL!!
im white...dont worry...but black people HAVE BETTER SINGIN VOICE!!! ok!!the way it sounds!!
 when it comes to SOUL,RNB,BLUES and so  on!
even elvis stole rock and roll from the black people!!

if u dont know ,mj is the king of pop rock and soul!!

don't really matter lol
Title: Re: Michael Jackson - For all time (2008)
Post by: Shallow on January 22, 2008, 04:29:26 PM
i think to compare michaels voice to elvis' is outragous, ill give you at least 10 better singers than Michael,


It's pointless man trust me. The guy is an MJ nut. He would let MJ babysit his young son could walk in on MJ sticking his penis inside the kid's mouth and not only be okay with it but spin it like it was a great thing to happen. Look how he went on about the name.


For the record the average high school band leader in 60s Detroit, the ones that never got record deals, were better singers than MJ, and better singers than any current black male with a record contrant.

just think how much better they are than the current crop of white singers then


That's a given though. In Blues based rock/pop music black people always did it better vocally. If we're talking Opera then it's a differet story. White singers haven't really gotten any worse though in the last 30 or 40 years. Black males have really fallen off. Usher or Akon wouldn't wim a high school singing competition in the 50s and 60s. And they are setting the tone for record deals these days.

And why hate on Elvis's voice? The guy had talent and soul. Listen to his 70s live stuff. His cover of Bridge Over Troubled Water is beyond anything MJ is capable of singing. You can dig MJ's songs more than Elvis's fine, that's a matter of the time you grew up in most likely, but as far as the instrument in concerned I don't think MJ comes close. You can easily make the argument of Dre being a better producer than Primo based on taste but most who prefer Dre wouldn't dream of saying he's a better DJ than Preem.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson - For all time (2008)
Post by: RECOGNIZE187 on January 22, 2008, 04:32:45 PM
i think to compare michaels voice to elvis' is outragous, ill give you at least 10 better singers than Michael,


It's pointless man trust me. The guy is an MJ nut. He would let MJ babysit his young son could walk in on MJ sticking his penis inside the kid's mouth and not only be okay with it but spin it like it was a great thing to happen. Look how he went on about the name.


For the record the average high school band leader in 60s Detroit, the ones that never got record deals, were better singers than MJ, and better singers than any current black male with a record contrant.

just think how much better they are than the current crop of white singers then


The guy had talent and soul. Listen to his 70s live stuff. His cover of Bridge Over Troubled Water is beyond anything MJ is capable of singing.

u on crack seriously! i guess u didn't hear 90 % of mj's music!

all the singers on motown were better then elvis!! and others..like jackie wilson,marvin gaye,curstis mayfield and so on!
i dont even like his voice

9 year old mike sang beer then elvis!!
Title: Re: Michael Jackson - For all time (2008)
Post by: Trauma-san on January 22, 2008, 04:34:27 PM
I think Michaels' singing abilities are very underrated.  When people talk about him, they talk about his dancing, his whole persona, but the fact is the guy is an incredible singer.  To say he's less than average or that a band leader could smoke him is rediculous.  Michael has got to have one of the greatest voices of all time, his versatility is so insane that there have only been 3 or 4 cover songs recorded by major artists of his work, even though he's had hit after hit, nobody else sings them live or re-records them?  The reason is most of his stuff the average singer cannot attempt to cover.  He can sing any genre from R&B to Gospel to Rock, to Heavy Metal to Pop to even songs that have country influences.  Look how easily he switches between pop, hiphop, and heavy metal in shit like "black or white".  If you want to talk shit about him, you can't honestly with an open mind say the man can't sing.  He can sing smooth, rough, falsetto, high, low, the man can be Gerald Levert, Usher, Stephen Tyler, and Luther Vandross on the same song.  He's simply an incredible performer on every measurable level.

Now to compare him vocally to Elvis is rediculous.  Elvis I would say is the greatest pop singer of all time.  He's another guy with an incredible versatility, only his upper limits included operatic performances, he was simply on another planet.  
Title: Re: Michael Jackson - For all time (2008)
Post by: RECOGNIZE187 on January 22, 2008, 04:39:40 PM
check this ..Mj singin live.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=-2fkG9jWifw (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=-2fkG9jWifw)

and another one (LOL..check the singer SEAL how he looks at MJ LOL)

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=-2fkG9jWifw (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=-2fkG9jWifw)


for me he is the best! and nobody comes close..sorry :)

don't know why..i never liked elvis LOL..his voice
Title: Re: Michael Jackson - For all time (2008)
Post by: Shallow on January 22, 2008, 04:40:46 PM
i think to compare michaels voice to elvis' is outragous, ill give you at least 10 better singers than Michael,


It's pointless man trust me. The guy is an MJ nut. He would let MJ babysit his young son could walk in on MJ sticking his penis inside the kid's mouth and not only be okay with it but spin it like it was a great thing to happen. Look how he went on about the name.


For the record the average high school band leader in 60s Detroit, the ones that never got record deals, were better singers than MJ, and better singers than any current black male with a record contrant.

man...i know what i like..and what is good!i aint no nut!!
 i listen to hardcore gangsta shit ,old school...
i don't listen to pop and rnb!!
only MJ...so it must be somethin special about him don't u think?

if u don't put MJ in your top 10 greatest singers its somethin wrong with u!
i guess yall also think stevie wonder is nothin special right??
then u are saying all this white guys...phill collins,bilie joel are better then MJ...,LOL!!
im white...dont worry...but black people HAVE BETTER SINGIN VOICE!!! ok!!the way it sounds!!
 when it comes to SOUL,RNB,BLUES and so  on!
even elvis stole rock and roll from the black people!!

if u dont know ,mj is the king of pop rock and soul!!

don't really matter lol


I never said they were better (Joel, Elton, Collins). I said same in my eyes. Stevie is above all those guys. The proof is in the pudding. His body of work is at another level than Phil Collins or MJ. Same goes for Prince. Guys like Prince, Dylan, Stevie, Springsteen, Hendrix, created art for art, for expression. They wanted to say something important, both lyrically and musically. MJ, Collins, Joel, Elton were more concerned about success and making hits. Fun song that every can love. Simpler songs.


Like you said, you only listen to MJ outside of rap. What is MJ to you? Childhood. I'm guessing you were born between '78 and '86, maybe a later but not earlier. Everyone has childhood heroes. First memories. Soft spots. If you grew up in the 50s it probably would have been Elvis just because he was the big star and nostalgia would take over. 80s kids have soft sports for MJ, girls for Madonna, Nintendo, Hulk Hogan. But people that were born in 68 or 70 don't feel the same about those things. They have their own memories.


You like Hip Hop right. MJ is to RnB and Pop what Eminem is to Rap. The biggest star. Not the best talent. MJ is closer to Nelly than he is to Nas. If you explore more music, Rock and Roll, RnB, I think you'll see that.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson - For all time (2008)
Post by: Trauma's gay lover.... Bubba Jo on January 22, 2008, 04:43:36 PM
i think to compare michaels voice to elvis' is outragous, ill give you at least 10 better singers than Michael,


It's pointless man trust me. The guy is an MJ nut. He would let MJ babysit his young son could walk in on MJ sticking his penis inside the kid's mouth and not only be okay with it but spin it like it was a great thing to happen.

Just because this is my Trauma Bears dream, that doesn't make him a bad guy silly.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson - For all time (2008)
Post by: RECOGNIZE187 on January 22, 2008, 04:47:57 PM
i think to compare michaels voice to elvis' is outragous, ill give you at least 10 better singers than Michael,


It's pointless man trust me. The guy is an MJ nut. He would let MJ babysit his young son could walk in on MJ sticking his penis inside the kid's mouth and not only be okay with it but spin it like it was a great thing to happen. Look how he went on about the name.


For the record the average high school band leader in 60s Detroit, the ones that never got record deals, were better singers than MJ, and better singers than any current black male with a record contrant.

man...i know what i like..and what is good!i aint no nut!!
 i listen to hardcore gangsta shit ,old school...
i don't listen to pop and rnb!!
only MJ...so it must be somethin special about him don't u think?

if u don't put MJ in your top 10 greatest singers its somethin wrong with u!
i guess yall also think stevie wonder is nothin special right??
then u are saying all this white guys...phill collins,bilie joel are better then MJ...,LOL!!
im white...dont worry...but black people HAVE BETTER SINGIN VOICE!!! ok!!the way it sounds!!
 when it comes to SOUL,RNB,BLUES and so  on!
even elvis stole rock and roll from the black people!!

if u dont know ,mj is the king of pop rock and soul!!

don't really matter lol


I never said they were better (Joel, Elton, Collins). I said same in my eyes. Stevie is above all those guys. The proof is in the pudding. His body of work is at another level than Phil Collins or MJ. Same goes for Prince. Guys like Prince, Dylan, Stevie, Springsteen, Hendrix, created art for art, for expression. They wanted to say something important, both lyrically and musically. MJ, Collins, Joel, Elton were more concerned about success and making hits. Fun song that every can love. Simpler songs.


Like you said, you only listen to MJ outside of rap. What is MJ to you? Childhood. I'm guessing you were born between '78 and '86, maybe a later but not earlier. Everyone has childhood heroes. First memories. Soft spots. If you grew up in the 50s it probably would have been Elvis just because he was the big star and nostalgia would take over. 80s kids have soft sports for MJ, girls for Madonna, Nintendo, Hulk Hogan. But people that were born in 68 or 70 don't feel the same about those things. They have their own memories.


You like Hip Hop right. MJ is to RnB and Pop what Eminem is to Rap. The biggest star. Not the best talent. MJ is closer to Nelly than he is to Nas. If you explore more music, Rock and Roll, RnB, I think you'll see that.

MJ has fans from the age of 12 to 70 man..so dont matter...real recognize real!
i know what u mean...but it was not always about hits with ;MJ...go and listen to his album HISTORY from 1995!!
the thing is..yea i grew up with MJ..but i still like him today!!coz he is so good..and everything he did is perfect..u have to see it and listen!! while others...for example like PRINCE...90 % of his music sucks!! i listened to his new album...i only liked 1 track!

i had my eyes ears and brains...and at the time i first saw MJ ,i also so all the other singers!SO HOW COME I ONLY REALLY LIKED MJ!!??
coz others had a few cool songs...while everything MJ did was cool! i guess...
i could have some other idol...but no...i had MJ!! why?? i guess coz he was good! so my opinion is he is still the best! and nothin can change that :)
Title: Re: Michael Jackson - For all time (2008)
Post by: Shallow on January 22, 2008, 04:49:58 PM
I think Michaels' singing abilities are very underrated.  When people talk about him, they talk about his dancing, his whole persona, but the fact is the guy is an incredible singer.  To say he's less than average or that a band leader could smoke him is rediculous.  Michael has got to have one of the greatest voices of all time, his versatility is so insane that there have only been 3 or 4 cover songs recorded by major artists of his work, even though he's had hit after hit, nobody else sings them live or re-records them?  The reason is most of his stuff the average singer cannot attempt to cover.  He can sing any genre from R&B to Gospel to Rock, to Heavy Metal to Pop to even songs that have country influences.  Look how easily he switches between pop, hiphop, and heavy metal in shit like "black or white".  If you want to talk shit about him, you can't honestly with an open mind say the man can't sing.  He can sing smooth, rough, falsetto, high, low, the man can be Gerald Levert, Usher, Stephen Tyler, and Luther Vandross on the same song.  He's simply an incredible performer on every measurable level.

Now to compare him vocally to Elvis is rediculous.  Elvis I would say is the greatest pop singer of all time.  He's another guy with an incredible versatility, only his upper limits included operatic performances, he was simply on another planet. 


He can sing just fine. When I sad Band leader I meant lead singers to all those groups lie the Temptations in Detroit that never got deals. MoTown the city had incredible talent no one ever heard. The problem is they all sounded like David Ruffin and Eddie Kendricks. I mean exactly like they sound. And as much as I like  MJ's voice I'll never say it's as good as Ruffin's or Kendricks'.

Recognize. You've never even heard Elvis cover or Bridge.




P.S. Chris Cornell did a phenominal cover of Billie Jean on his last acoustic tour.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson - For all time (2008)
Post by: RECOGNIZE187 on January 22, 2008, 04:52:14 PM
I think Michaels' singing abilities are very underrated.  When people talk about him, they talk about his dancing, his whole persona, but the fact is the guy is an incredible singer.  To say he's less than average or that a band leader could smoke him is rediculous.  Michael has got to have one of the greatest voices of all time, his versatility is so insane that there have only been 3 or 4 cover songs recorded by major artists of his work, even though he's had hit after hit, nobody else sings them live or re-records them?  The reason is most of his stuff the average singer cannot attempt to cover.  He can sing any genre from R&B to Gospel to Rock, to Heavy Metal to Pop to even songs that have country influences.  Look how easily he switches between pop, hiphop, and heavy metal in shit like "black or white".  If you want to talk shit about him, you can't honestly with an open mind say the man can't sing.  He can sing smooth, rough, falsetto, high, low, the man can be Gerald Levert, Usher, Stephen Tyler, and Luther Vandross on the same song.  He's simply an incredible performer on every measurable level.

Now to compare him vocally to Elvis is rediculous.  Elvis I would say is the greatest pop singer of all time.  He's another guy with an incredible versatility, only his upper limits included operatic performances, he was simply on another planet. 


He can sing just fine. When I sad Band leader I meant lead singers to all those groups lie the Temptations in Detroit that never got deals. MoTown the city had incredible talent no one ever heard. The problem is they all sounded like David Ruffin and Eddie Kendricks. I mean exactly like they sound. And as much as I like  MJ's voice I'll never say it's as good as Ruffin's or Kendricks'.

Recognize. You've never even heard Elvis cover or Bridge.




P.S. Chris Cornell did a phenominal cover of Billie Jean on his last acoustic tour.

yea i heard...even jackson 5 sang that song...Jermaine...

yall said MJ is not in your top 10 so i cant take yall serious..really...somethin is wrong with yall LOL
Title: Re: Michael Jackson - For all time (2008)
Post by: Shallow on January 22, 2008, 04:54:16 PM
i think to compare michaels voice to elvis' is outragous, ill give you at least 10 better singers than Michael,


It's pointless man trust me. The guy is an MJ nut. He would let MJ babysit his young son could walk in on MJ sticking his penis inside the kid's mouth and not only be okay with it but spin it like it was a great thing to happen. Look how he went on about the name.


For the record the average high school band leader in 60s Detroit, the ones that never got record deals, were better singers than MJ, and better singers than any current black male with a record contrant.

man...i know what i like..and what is good!i aint no nut!!
 i listen to hardcore gangsta shit ,old school...
i don't listen to pop and rnb!!
only MJ...so it must be somethin special about him don't u think?

if u don't put MJ in your top 10 greatest singers its somethin wrong with u!
i guess yall also think stevie wonder is nothin special right??
then u are saying all this white guys...phill collins,bilie joel are better then MJ...,LOL!!
im white...dont worry...but black people HAVE BETTER SINGIN VOICE!!! ok!!the way it sounds!!
 when it comes to SOUL,RNB,BLUES and so  on!
even elvis stole rock and roll from the black people!!

if u dont know ,mj is the king of pop rock and soul!!

don't really matter lol


I never said they were better (Joel, Elton, Collins). I said same in my eyes. Stevie is above all those guys. The proof is in the pudding. His body of work is at another level than Phil Collins or MJ. Same goes for Prince. Guys like Prince, Dylan, Stevie, Springsteen, Hendrix, created art for art, for expression. They wanted to say something important, both lyrically and musically. MJ, Collins, Joel, Elton were more concerned about success and making hits. Fun song that every can love. Simpler songs.


Like you said, you only listen to MJ outside of rap. What is MJ to you? Childhood. I'm guessing you were born between '78 and '86, maybe a later but not earlier. Everyone has childhood heroes. First memories. Soft spots. If you grew up in the 50s it probably would have been Elvis just because he was the big star and nostalgia would take over. 80s kids have soft sports for MJ, girls for Madonna, Nintendo, Hulk Hogan. But people that were born in 68 or 70 don't feel the same about those things. They have their own memories.


You like Hip Hop right. MJ is to RnB and Pop what Eminem is to Rap. The biggest star. Not the best talent. MJ is closer to Nelly than he is to Nas. If you explore more music, Rock and Roll, RnB, I think you'll see that.

MJ has fans from the age of 12 to 70 man..so dont matter...real recognize real!
i know what u mean...but it was not always about hits with ;MJ...go and listen to his album HISTORY from 1995!!
the thing is..yea i grew up with MJ..but i still like him today!!coz he is so good..and everything he did is perfect..u have to see it and listen!! while others...for example like PRINCE...90 % of his music sucks!! i listened to his new album...i only liked 1 track!


I've listened to everything MJ has ever released. Even the solo Motown stuff in the 70s. Believe or not. I'm a big fan. 12 to 70 isn't the same as the kids of the 80s. 12 year olds as a whole don't like the sings as much as 25 yar old. Neither do 70 year olds. Go to 50 black people over the age of 70 and ask them who was better MJ or Elvis. I did it once to win a bet. 48 said Elvis. We tried the same thing with blacks under 30; 1 said Elvis and we was weird.


You think 90% of Prince's Music sucks. I think Prince's worst stuff is better than 90% of MJ's music.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson - For all time (2008)
Post by: Shallow on January 22, 2008, 04:55:15 PM
I think Michaels' singing abilities are very underrated.  When people talk about him, they talk about his dancing, his whole persona, but the fact is the guy is an incredible singer.  To say he's less than average or that a band leader could smoke him is rediculous.  Michael has got to have one of the greatest voices of all time, his versatility is so insane that there have only been 3 or 4 cover songs recorded by major artists of his work, even though he's had hit after hit, nobody else sings them live or re-records them?  The reason is most of his stuff the average singer cannot attempt to cover.  He can sing any genre from R&B to Gospel to Rock, to Heavy Metal to Pop to even songs that have country influences.  Look how easily he switches between pop, hiphop, and heavy metal in shit like "black or white".  If you want to talk shit about him, you can't honestly with an open mind say the man can't sing.  He can sing smooth, rough, falsetto, high, low, the man can be Gerald Levert, Usher, Stephen Tyler, and Luther Vandross on the same song.  He's simply an incredible performer on every measurable level.

Now to compare him vocally to Elvis is rediculous.  Elvis I would say is the greatest pop singer of all time.  He's another guy with an incredible versatility, only his upper limits included operatic performances, he was simply on another planet. 


He can sing just fine. When I sad Band leader I meant lead singers to all those groups lie the Temptations in Detroit that never got deals. MoTown the city had incredible talent no one ever heard. The problem is they all sounded like David Ruffin and Eddie Kendricks. I mean exactly like they sound. And as much as I like  MJ's voice I'll never say it's as good as Ruffin's or Kendricks'.

Recognize. You've never even heard Elvis cover or Bridge.




P.S. Chris Cornell did a phenominal cover of Billie Jean on his last acoustic tour.

yea i heard...even jackson 5 sang that song...Jermaine...

yall said MJ is not in your top 10 so i cant take yall serious..really...somethin is wrong with yall LOL


Prove to me that you heard it.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson - For all time (2008)
Post by: RECOGNIZE187 on January 22, 2008, 04:58:37 PM
i think to compare michaels voice to elvis' is outragous, ill give you at least 10 better singers than Michael,


It's pointless man trust me. The guy is an MJ nut. He would let MJ babysit his young son could walk in on MJ sticking his penis inside the kid's mouth and not only be okay with it but spin it like it was a great thing to happen. Look how he went on about the name.


For the record the average high school band leader in 60s Detroit, the ones that never got record deals, were better singers than MJ, and better singers than any current black male with a record contrant.

man...i know what i like..and what is good!i aint no nut!!
 i listen to hardcore gangsta shit ,old school...
i don't listen to pop and rnb!!
only MJ...so it must be somethin special about him don't u think?

if u don't put MJ in your top 10 greatest singers its somethin wrong with u!
i guess yall also think stevie wonder is nothin special right??
then u are saying all this white guys...phill collins,bilie joel are better then MJ...,LOL!!
im white...dont worry...but black people HAVE BETTER SINGIN VOICE!!! ok!!the way it sounds!!
 when it comes to SOUL,RNB,BLUES and so  on!
even elvis stole rock and roll from the black people!!

if u dont know ,mj is the king of pop rock and soul!!

don't really matter lol


I never said they were better (Joel, Elton, Collins). I said same in my eyes. Stevie is above all those guys. The proof is in the pudding. His body of work is at another level than Phil Collins or MJ. Same goes for Prince. Guys like Prince, Dylan, Stevie, Springsteen, Hendrix, created art for art, for expression. They wanted to say something important, both lyrically and musically. MJ, Collins, Joel, Elton were more concerned about success and making hits. Fun song that every can love. Simpler songs.


Like you said, you only listen to MJ outside of rap. What is MJ to you? Childhood. I'm guessing you were born between '78 and '86, maybe a later but not earlier. Everyone has childhood heroes. First memories. Soft spots. If you grew up in the 50s it probably would have been Elvis just because he was the big star and nostalgia would take over. 80s kids have soft sports for MJ, girls for Madonna, Nintendo, Hulk Hogan. But people that were born in 68 or 70 don't feel the same about those things. They have their own memories.


You like Hip Hop right. MJ is to RnB and Pop what Eminem is to Rap. The biggest star. Not the best talent. MJ is closer to Nelly than he is to Nas. If you explore more music, Rock and Roll, RnB, I think you'll see that.

MJ has fans from the age of 12 to 70 man..so dont matter...real recognize real!
i know what u mean...but it was not always about hits with ;MJ...go and listen to his album HISTORY from 1995!!
the thing is..yea i grew up with MJ..but i still like him today!!coz he is so good..and everything he did is perfect..u have to see it and listen!! while others...for example like PRINCE...90 % of his music sucks!! i listened to his new album...i only liked 1 track!


I've listened to everything MJ has ever released. Even the solo Motown stuff in the 70s. Believe or not. I'm a big fan. 12 to 70 isn't the same as the kids of the 80s. 12 year olds as a whole don't like the sings as much as 25 yar old. Neither do 70 year olds. Go to 50 black people over the age of 70 and ask them who was better MJ or Elvis. I did it once to win a bet. 48 said Elvis. We tried the same thing with blacks under 30; 1 said Elvis and we was weird.


You think 90% of Prince's Music sucks. I think Prince's worst stuff is better than 90% of MJ's music.

LOL..u said u a big fan and u sayin stuff that he he average singer OMG!! and u sad the same about dancing lol

listen...michael made some of the most beautiful songs ever!! of all time!!!

while prince only has purple rain that is a classic...and kiss!...i listened to princes last few albums...and i only liked a few tracks on his albums!

i like prince...but when it comes to singin..its not natural...when he is singin...when he screams like a girl! all his stuff is about sex...
he sounds like a rapper ..he has a deep voice...
Title: Re: Michael Jackson - For all time (2008)
Post by: RECOGNIZE187 on January 22, 2008, 04:59:57 PM
I think Michaels' singing abilities are very underrated.  When people talk about him, they talk about his dancing, his whole persona, but the fact is the guy is an incredible singer.  To say he's less than average or that a band leader could smoke him is rediculous.  Michael has got to have one of the greatest voices of all time, his versatility is so insane that there have only been 3 or 4 cover songs recorded by major artists of his work, even though he's had hit after hit, nobody else sings them live or re-records them?  The reason is most of his stuff the average singer cannot attempt to cover.  He can sing any genre from R&B to Gospel to Rock, to Heavy Metal to Pop to even songs that have country influences.  Look how easily he switches between pop, hiphop, and heavy metal in shit like "black or white".  If you want to talk shit about him, you can't honestly with an open mind say the man can't sing.  He can sing smooth, rough, falsetto, high, low, the man can be Gerald Levert, Usher, Stephen Tyler, and Luther Vandross on the same song.  He's simply an incredible performer on every measurable level.

Now to compare him vocally to Elvis is rediculous.  Elvis I would say is the greatest pop singer of all time.  He's another guy with an incredible versatility, only his upper limits included operatic performances, he was simply on another planet. 


He can sing just fine. When I sad Band leader I meant lead singers to all those groups lie the Temptations in Detroit that never got deals. MoTown the city had incredible talent no one ever heard. The problem is they all sounded like David Ruffin and Eddie Kendricks. I mean exactly like they sound. And as much as I like  MJ's voice I'll never say it's as good as Ruffin's or Kendricks'.

Recognize. You've never even heard Elvis cover or Bridge.




P.S. Chris Cornell did a phenominal cover of Billie Jean on his last acoustic tour.

yea i heard...even jackson 5 sang that song...Jermaine...

yall said MJ is not in your top 10 so i cant take yall serious..really...somethin is wrong with yall LOL


Prove to me that you heard it.

i went to you tube lol..i saw a live clip LOL
Title: Re: Michael Jackson - For all time (2008)
Post by: white Boy on January 22, 2008, 05:14:32 PM
i never said i didnt like michaels voice, hes in top 15 or 20 of all time, and stevie wonder is amazing, he can make some beautiful touching songs and some incredible records., and he plays like every instrument!
Title: Re: Michael Jackson - For all time (2008)
Post by: RECOGNIZE187 on January 22, 2008, 05:35:51 PM
its all good on the end...we all have our own taste and opinion!

but the fact is ,that in the industry MJ's vocals are copied far more than any other singer..his style..they all wanna sound like mike!
Title: Re: Michael Jackson - For all time (2008)
Post by: Shallow on January 22, 2008, 07:04:06 PM
its all good on the end...we all have our own taste and opinion!

but the fact is ,that in the industry MJ's vocals are copied far more than any other singer..his style..they all wanna sound like mike!


I agree there. All the current black singers who suck copy MJ. I liked it better when they all copied Little Richard. Everyone sang better then.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson - For all time (2008)
Post by: LyRiCaL_G on January 22, 2008, 08:38:59 PM
its all good on the end...we all have our own taste and opinion!

but the fact is ,that in the industry MJ's vocals are copied far more than any other singer..his style..they all wanna sound like mike!


I agree there. All the current black singers who suck copy MJ. I liked it better when they all copied Little Richard. Everyone sang better then.

dude the fuck is your problem and black people man? would u please shut the fuck up with that shiit, u really dont know shit about black people apart from making general claims about a large set of ppl, and going over the top with them....i hope u really do not mean some of the bullshit u say because u sound like a kid who got his ass whopped by a black kid half your age in everything u ever competed in. By the way that was not intended as some immature internet beef shit, im just saying...your shit is played out with the whole speakin on something them comparing it to black talent shit...i mean its nice being black and knowin there is so much talent out, but just speak to the dude proper and dont keep bringing black people up...shiiiit,lol....i dont really know how u can have a serious convo with recognize anyways about mj....his like the opposite end of scale when it comes to his feelings for mj in comparison to you....maybe thats why u can, i dunno...its better to have a balance, u want to speak about mj, come holla at me, we can have a real convo....


U really asked 70 black people about who they prefer from elvis and mj? i don't know what to think of that but i guess if that is what u gotta do, then do it,lol....

about the elvis shit, i just prefer michael jackson music, if i had to put a list of ppl of talent in order i would put mj over elvis, i just dig his shit so much more...i know loads of people who love elvis from all backgrounds so i got no real hate towards him but i guess i feel to elvis like u do to michael....if that makes sense.....

and about black singers and white singers of mainstream today and of the past...i agree pretty much all black artists have had better vioces and u claim they have fallen off big time...i agree to a certain extent but its not the potential in there vioces...its the direction they chooose, everything is much easier now.

and im not sayin all white cats cannot have great vocals, my comment was bordering on weak as was yours about the average 60's rock band in detriot high schools....i know the talent back then was crazy but if u really believe that with all your heart there really is no point talking with me because whilst there was some crazy talent back then, its not like there are not people with great vioces today either and talent....i see your just putting emphasis on what you're trying to say but still....lets not go OTT.......and whilst black cats may have fallen off they still have much better talent and vioces than alot of white cats still so it just shows how high the bar was raised before and how difficult it is to keep it at that level....

as for usher whether u like him or not, the cat really does have a great vioce and talent....alot of poeople will fail to recognize that on this board because they cannot relate to his shit but its truth, the guy is actually talented and can hit some crazy notes with his vioce and improved with age, dude is talented without doubt.....u want to talk about someone with a mj copycat who sucks, speak on timberlake....dude is a producers puppet and a media barbie doll, nuttin more....truth....wanna speak on talent, speak on alicia keys....PLEASE do not speak on beyonce....she always tryna be the cat whos hot right now whilst alicia is old school raw talent....

there will always be talent out there....like now sooo much talent will not get signed because they have a limit on how many cats can get signed and how marketable someone is to a record company so talent will always be missed so there is no point on speaking on those who never made it, speak on cats who did.....

to me mj is a great, top 10 of all times....billie jean is arguebaly on of the greatest songs ever made imo.....u can walk through a mall and they have all sorts of wack shit on and then a mj joint comes on and people of all ages start singing with it, cats start trying to moonwalk to it, its crazy....and i speak of this after just witnissing it just 2-3 days back....michael is loved everywhere but he also ruined himself and let himself get played alot too....

anyways if i don't reply to your reply its because i'm real busy these days so if i got time, imma holla back if not, just post what u got to say and i'll read it.....

and one note back to topic.....the remixes are TERRIBLE.....imo....how anyone can fuck with classics is beyond me....u either gots to be really confident and have great belief in your ability or be really stupid....i dunno....leave that for others to decide but i'd rather hear a new album than this....thriller sold over 50 million worldwide, thats amazing....everyone heard the record but how about come with someshit nobody heard before....but i dont want no kanye west produced cd,lol....id rather hear mj make the cd himself than that....should do neptunes and timberland i think, quincy and dre?lol....

anyways whats the word on his new album? is there one coming?
Title: Re: Michael Jackson - For all time (2008)
Post by: R-Tistic on January 23, 2008, 02:57:02 AM
I don't know...maybe it's my upbringing, but I've never respected Elvis much at all, and I feel that he was extremely overrated as a singer and star. This might start a war on here, and I know for fact that some people here know much more about him than I will ever (care to) know. I just know that me and most people I know admire and respect MJ, James Brown, and even Prince MUCH, MUCH MORE than they ever will Elvis.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson - For all time (2008)
Post by: weedhead on January 23, 2008, 05:11:41 AM
This sucks ass!!!big tie.....he just changed around that song call(HUAN NATURE)lack of creativity.fuck this shit....mike needs to sit his ass down,enjoy life,and stop playng with children. 8)
Title: Re: Michael Jackson - For all time (2008)
Post by: Trauma-san on January 23, 2008, 07:24:12 AM
I think Michaels' singing abilities are very underrated.  When people talk about him, they talk about his dancing, his whole persona, but the fact is the guy is an incredible singer.  To say he's less than average or that a band leader could smoke him is rediculous.  Michael has got to have one of the greatest voices of all time, his versatility is so insane that there have only been 3 or 4 cover songs recorded by major artists of his work, even though he's had hit after hit, nobody else sings them live or re-records them?  The reason is most of his stuff the average singer cannot attempt to cover.  He can sing any genre from R&B to Gospel to Rock, to Heavy Metal to Pop to even songs that have country influences.  Look how easily he switches between pop, hiphop, and heavy metal in shit like "black or white".  If you want to talk shit about him, you can't honestly with an open mind say the man can't sing.  He can sing smooth, rough, falsetto, high, low, the man can be Gerald Levert, Usher, Stephen Tyler, and Luther Vandross on the same song.  He's simply an incredible performer on every measurable level.

Now to compare him vocally to Elvis is rediculous.  Elvis I would say is the greatest pop singer of all time.  He's another guy with an incredible versatility, only his upper limits included operatic performances, he was simply on another planet. 


He can sing just fine. When I sad Band leader I meant lead singers to all those groups lie the Temptations in Detroit that never got deals. MoTown the city had incredible talent no one ever heard. The problem is they all sounded like David Ruffin and Eddie Kendricks. I mean exactly like they sound. And as much as I like  MJ's voice I'll never say it's as good as Ruffin's or Kendricks'.

Recognize. You've never even heard Elvis cover or Bridge.




P.S. Chris Cornell did a phenominal cover of Billie Jean on his last acoustic tour.

Bitch please.  I've got album after album of Elvis', I've listened to concerts of his and have several on video.  I've heard his cover of Bridge Over Troubled Water, what the fuck you think you've got some shit on me because you've heard a POPULAR cover of a POPULAR song?  I said Elvis was a better singer than Michael, why don't you go back and fucking read, child.  I 'recognize' that I was listening to Elvis before you were born, how's that, bitch? 
Title: Re: Michael Jackson - For all time (2008)
Post by: Trauma-san on January 23, 2008, 07:25:32 AM
i never said i didnt like michaels voice, hes in top 15 or 20 of all time, and stevie wonder is amazing, he can make some beautiful touching songs and some incredible records., and he plays like every instrument!

Michael plays multiple instruments. He's of course not on Stevie's level, but I think you underestimate Michaels' talent. 
Title: Re: Michael Jackson - For all time (2008)
Post by: Shallow on January 23, 2008, 07:30:46 AM
I think Michaels' singing abilities are very underrated.  When people talk about him, they talk about his dancing, his whole persona, but the fact is the guy is an incredible singer.  To say he's less than average or that a band leader could smoke him is rediculous.  Michael has got to have one of the greatest voices of all time, his versatility is so insane that there have only been 3 or 4 cover songs recorded by major artists of his work, even though he's had hit after hit, nobody else sings them live or re-records them?  The reason is most of his stuff the average singer cannot attempt to cover.  He can sing any genre from R&B to Gospel to Rock, to Heavy Metal to Pop to even songs that have country influences.  Look how easily he switches between pop, hiphop, and heavy metal in shit like "black or white".  If you want to talk shit about him, you can't honestly with an open mind say the man can't sing.  He can sing smooth, rough, falsetto, high, low, the man can be Gerald Levert, Usher, Stephen Tyler, and Luther Vandross on the same song.  He's simply an incredible performer on every measurable level.

Now to compare him vocally to Elvis is rediculous.  Elvis I would say is the greatest pop singer of all time.  He's another guy with an incredible versatility, only his upper limits included operatic performances, he was simply on another planet. 


He can sing just fine. When I sad Band leader I meant lead singers to all those groups lie the Temptations in Detroit that never got deals. MoTown the city had incredible talent no one ever heard. The problem is they all sounded like David Ruffin and Eddie Kendricks. I mean exactly like they sound. And as much as I like  MJ's voice I'll never say it's as good as Ruffin's or Kendricks'.

Recognize. You've never even heard Elvis cover or Bridge.




P.S. Chris Cornell did a phenominal cover of Billie Jean on his last acoustic tour.

Bitch please.  I've got album after album of Elvis', I've listened to concerts of his and have several on video.  I've heard his cover of Bridge Over Troubled Water, what the fuck you think you've got some shit on me because you've heard a POPULAR cover of a POPULAR song?  I said Elvis was a better singer than Michael, why don't you go back and fucking read, child.  I 'recognize' that I was listening to Elvis before you were born, how's that, bitch? 


I spelled Recognize with a "z" as in  RECOGNIZE187; the guy who said MJ wasa better singer. Did you have fun typing that tirade? BEcause I wasn't talking to you about Bridge. Of course you have heard it.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson - For all time (2008)
Post by: Trauma-san on January 23, 2008, 07:35:25 AM
I don't know...maybe it's my upbringing, but I've never respected Elvis much at all, and I feel that he was extremely overrated as a singer and star. This might start a war on here, and I know for fact that some people here know much more about him than I will ever (care to) know. I just know that me and most people I know admire and respect MJ, James Brown, and even Prince MUCH, MUCH MORE than they ever will Elvis.

That's just because you're ignorant to his contributions to Music.  Elvis Presley was HUGE, he changed the way music was made and had a much heavier, significant impact than MJ, James Brown and Prince combined.  A lot of Elvis' 'hate' comes from the black community because they've been told that Elvis was a racist.  All indications are that nothing could be farther from the truth, Elvis grew up in a black community, attended a black church as a child, and worked with black artists his entire career.  There's even a famous story of Elvis standing up for his black backup-singers on a trip to Texas once.  This was a man without a racist bone in his body, but because he was a white man capable of singing as well as any black man, he was often attacked and was hated because he could reach success that a black man often couldn't.  People looked at Elvis and said how come hes' the shit but nobody listens to Otis Redding?  While his success may have had something to do with being more 'acceptable' to White America than blacks were, you cannot knock the man's talent.  I believe if you actually researched and paid attention to Elvis's music, his life, and his contributions to music you would be flat out amazed at just how great he truly was.  
Title: Re: Michael Jackson - For all time (2008)
Post by: Trauma-san on January 23, 2008, 07:37:07 AM
I think Michaels' singing abilities are very underrated.  When people talk about him, they talk about his dancing, his whole persona, but the fact is the guy is an incredible singer.  To say he's less than average or that a band leader could smoke him is rediculous.  Michael has got to have one of the greatest voices of all time, his versatility is so insane that there have only been 3 or 4 cover songs recorded by major artists of his work, even though he's had hit after hit, nobody else sings them live or re-records them?  The reason is most of his stuff the average singer cannot attempt to cover.  He can sing any genre from R&B to Gospel to Rock, to Heavy Metal to Pop to even songs that have country influences.  Look how easily he switches between pop, hiphop, and heavy metal in shit like "black or white".  If you want to talk shit about him, you can't honestly with an open mind say the man can't sing.  He can sing smooth, rough, falsetto, high, low, the man can be Gerald Levert, Usher, Stephen Tyler, and Luther Vandross on the same song.  He's simply an incredible performer on every measurable level.

Now to compare him vocally to Elvis is rediculous.  Elvis I would say is the greatest pop singer of all time.  He's another guy with an incredible versatility, only his upper limits included operatic performances, he was simply on another planet. 


He can sing just fine. When I sad Band leader I meant lead singers to all those groups lie the Temptations in Detroit that never got deals. MoTown the city had incredible talent no one ever heard. The problem is they all sounded like David Ruffin and Eddie Kendricks. I mean exactly like they sound. And as much as I like  MJ's voice I'll never say it's as good as Ruffin's or Kendricks'.

Recognize. You've never even heard Elvis cover or Bridge.




P.S. Chris Cornell did a phenominal cover of Billie Jean on his last acoustic tour.

Bitch please.  I've got album after album of Elvis', I've listened to concerts of his and have several on video.  I've heard his cover of Bridge Over Troubled Water, what the fuck you think you've got some shit on me because you've heard a POPULAR cover of a POPULAR song?  I said Elvis was a better singer than Michael, why don't you go back and fucking read, child.  I 'recognize' that I was listening to Elvis before you were born, how's that, bitch? 


I spelled Recognize with a "z" as in  RECOGNIZE187; the guy who said MJ wasa better singer. Did you have fun typing that tirade? BEcause I wasn't talking to you about Bridge. Of course you have heard it.

Everything I said is still true, though... I mean, you are a childish bitch.  I was listening to Elvis before you were born; You are pretty fucking ignorant for thinking people haven't heard a famous cover of a famous song. 
Title: Re: Michael Jackson - For all time (2008)
Post by: Shallow on January 23, 2008, 07:46:15 AM
I don't know...maybe it's my upbringing, but I've never respected Elvis much at all, and I feel that he was extremely overrated as a singer and star. This might start a war on here, and I know for fact that some people here know much more about him than I will ever (care to) know. I just know that me and most people I know admire and respect MJ, James Brown, and even Prince MUCH, MUCH MORE than they ever will Elvis.


No wars being started. You just don't listen to that music. James Brown would equate Elvis's talent with his own. Is Brown being an idiot when he says that? How much of the old RnB do you relly listen to. I'm not talking about the MoTown Pop. I mean Big Mama Thornton, Howlin Wolf, Chuck Berry, Arthur Cruddup  etc. My guess is you only listen to that stuff when it show up in a movie. You may as well be juding metal singers. Or go to a Bob Dylan concert and ask a bunch of 60 somethings who is the better rapper Rakim or Luda.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson - For all time (2008)
Post by: Shallow on January 23, 2008, 07:54:52 AM
I think Michaels' singing abilities are very underrated.  When people talk about him, they talk about his dancing, his whole persona, but the fact is the guy is an incredible singer.  To say he's less than average or that a band leader could smoke him is rediculous.  Michael has got to have one of the greatest voices of all time, his versatility is so insane that there have only been 3 or 4 cover songs recorded by major artists of his work, even though he's had hit after hit, nobody else sings them live or re-records them?  The reason is most of his stuff the average singer cannot attempt to cover.  He can sing any genre from R&B to Gospel to Rock, to Heavy Metal to Pop to even songs that have country influences.  Look how easily he switches between pop, hiphop, and heavy metal in shit like "black or white".  If you want to talk shit about him, you can't honestly with an open mind say the man can't sing.  He can sing smooth, rough, falsetto, high, low, the man can be Gerald Levert, Usher, Stephen Tyler, and Luther Vandross on the same song.  He's simply an incredible performer on every measurable level.

Now to compare him vocally to Elvis is rediculous.  Elvis I would say is the greatest pop singer of all time.  He's another guy with an incredible versatility, only his upper limits included operatic performances, he was simply on another planet. 


He can sing just fine. When I sad Band leader I meant lead singers to all those groups lie the Temptations in Detroit that never got deals. MoTown the city had incredible talent no one ever heard. The problem is they all sounded like David Ruffin and Eddie Kendricks. I mean exactly like they sound. And as much as I like  MJ's voice I'll never say it's as good as Ruffin's or Kendricks'.

Recognize. You've never even heard Elvis cover or Bridge.




P.S. Chris Cornell did a phenominal cover of Billie Jean on his last acoustic tour.

Bitch please.  I've got album after album of Elvis', I've listened to concerts of his and have several on video.  I've heard his cover of Bridge Over Troubled Water, what the fuck you think you've got some shit on me because you've heard a POPULAR cover of a POPULAR song?  I said Elvis was a better singer than Michael, why don't you go back and fucking read, child.  I 'recognize' that I was listening to Elvis before you were born, how's that, bitch? 


I spelled Recognize with a "z" as in  RECOGNIZE187; the guy who said MJ wasa better singer. Did you have fun typing that tirade? BEcause I wasn't talking to you about Bridge. Of course you have heard it.

Everything I said is still true, though... I mean, you are a childish bitch.  I was listening to Elvis before you were born; You are pretty fucking ignorant for thinking people haven't heard a famous cover of a famous song. 


Except he didn't he hear it. He just checked some version he found on Youtube after I mentioned the song and he admitted that. So I was right to question him. Now I know you are incapable of saying you were wrong or saying sorry so just shut the fuck up already.


By the way, you aren't old enough to have been listening to Elvis before I was born. Having Elvis records played in the background while you're crawling around as a toddler doesn't count. We're only like one or two years apart remember.


Oh and for the record RECOGNIZE187; this was the good version of Bridge I was talking about. It's a live version I didn't see on youtube. MJ doesn't have the chops for this;


http://www.sendspace.com/file/04glwh


Title: Re: Michael Jackson - For all time (2008)
Post by: Mackin on January 23, 2008, 11:57:18 AM
I don't know...maybe it's my upbringing, but I've never respected Elvis much at all, and I feel that he was extremely overrated as a singer and star. This might start a war on here, and I know for fact that some people here know much more about him than I will ever (care to) know. I just know that me and most people I know admire and respect MJ, James Brown, and even Prince MUCH, MUCH MORE than they ever will Elvis.


No wars being started. You just don't listen to that music. James Brown would equate Elvis's talent with his own. Is Brown being an idiot when he says that? How much of the old RnB do you relly listen to. I'm not talking about the MoTown Pop. I mean Big Mama Thornton, Howlin Wolf, Chuck Berry, Arthur Cruddup  etc. My guess is you only listen to that stuff when it show up in a movie. You may as well be juding metal singers. Or go to a Bob Dylan concert and ask a bunch of 60 somethings who is the better rapper Rakim or Luda.


Well if a song lays in a movie and i've never heard it before, i'll go searching for it and if i like it
then I'll get the artist catalog's and every other artist that is part of that Artist genre!!
i think you are being a bit silly and judgmental in your response to R.Tistic!
You have no idea what other Music he listen to, the fact that he only cites a few artist should not be construed to mean that's all he listen to!

The song you upload is Nice, but I'm not feeling it!
Thanks all the same!
Title: Re: Michael Jackson - For all time (2008)
Post by: Shallow on January 23, 2008, 01:31:09 PM
I don't know...maybe it's my upbringing, but I've never respected Elvis much at all, and I feel that he was extremely overrated as a singer and star. This might start a war on here, and I know for fact that some people here know much more about him than I will ever (care to) know. I just know that me and most people I know admire and respect MJ, James Brown, and even Prince MUCH, MUCH MORE than they ever will Elvis.


No wars being started. You just don't listen to that music. James Brown would equate Elvis's talent with his own. Is Brown being an idiot when he says that? How much of the old RnB do you relly listen to. I'm not talking about the MoTown Pop. I mean Big Mama Thornton, Howlin Wolf, Chuck Berry, Arthur Cruddup  etc. My guess is you only listen to that stuff when it show up in a movie. You may as well be juding metal singers. Or go to a Bob Dylan concert and ask a bunch of 60 somethings who is the better rapper Rakim or Luda.


Well if a song lays in a movie and i've never heard it before, i'll go searching for it and if i like it
then I'll get the artist catalog's and every other artist that is part of that Artist genre!!
i think you are being a bit silly and judgmental in your response to R.Tistic!
You have no idea what other Music he listen to, the fact that he only cites a few artist should not be construed to mean that's all he listen to!

The song you upload is Nice, but I'm not feeling it!
Thanks all the same!


How many songs similar to that track do you like?



If I pegged R-Tistic wrong than he can just say so. I "guessed" he didn't. I coud be wrong. I'm guessing the same about you. I'm guessing you don't listen to 50s RnB and I'm guessing you don't listen to much country, which is what that version of Bridge would have been inspred by.

If my guess is right then like I said it's about taste and aquirng that taste. There are plenty of genres I didn't "get" until I learned to get it. I still haven't grasped Jazz. Blues took a while. In 2001 listening to Springsteen's Backstreets wouldn't have meant anythng to me. Now it's one of my favourite songs. It's not that it grew on me. It's that the whole sound of it I couldn't appreciate. I couldn't understand it. It's like food. There are amazing dishes that are adored by millions but make me want to throw up. If I grew up with that dish I'd already know how to taste it. And if I fell into starvation I'd be forced to eat it. Eventually I'd aquire a taste for it.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson - For all time (2008)
Post by: white Boy on January 23, 2008, 01:54:28 PM
^ bruce was like that with me def, the voice is so hard to get used to, i cant unerstand him sometimes, and i feel you completely, i remember i researched robert johnson, and was so exited to hear him, and then after downloading, i was like, huh, like i dont get it, now, hes probly one of my fav blues artist, and that voice just is incredible, i takes time and an open mind, some shit ill catch myself listening to now 3 years ago i would have though im smokin crack, but i just let go of all my previous knowledge and try shit, also listening to something 1 time isnt enough, the 1st listen of something i never heard before thats very different is a strange experience, but after a couple times things happen in your brain that just make you get it, or sometimes you just dont get it after listening time and time over, so u just dont listen, im like that with a lot of electronic music, nothing sparks so i say fuck it
Title: Re: Michael Jackson - For all time (2008)
Post by: R-Tistic on January 23, 2008, 01:59:09 PM
I don't know...maybe it's my upbringing, but I've never respected Elvis much at all, and I feel that he was extremely overrated as a singer and star. This might start a war on here, and I know for fact that some people here know much more about him than I will ever (care to) know. I just know that me and most people I know admire and respect MJ, James Brown, and even Prince MUCH, MUCH MORE than they ever will Elvis.


No wars being started. You just don't listen to that music. James Brown would equate Elvis's talent with his own. Is Brown being an idiot when he says that? How much of the old RnB do you relly listen to. I'm not talking about the MoTown Pop. I mean Big Mama Thornton, Howlin Wolf, Chuck Berry, Arthur Cruddup  etc. My guess is you only listen to that stuff when it show up in a movie. You may as well be juding metal singers. Or go to a Bob Dylan concert and ask a bunch of 60 somethings who is the better rapper Rakim or Luda.

I am definitely familiar with all of these artists, since my dad is a Jazz musician who's in his 60's, but neither of us actively listen to this sound. I listen to Jazz that goes back further than that, but I don't listen to much R&B, Rock, or Soul that goes past the 60's...so my taste for that is a lot different. I have more of an ear for Jazz, so it is hard for me to even appreciate some of the musical compositions that Motown's "pop" had as you said, because it just won't hit you the same way if you are listening for more complex music.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson - For all time (2008)
Post by: Shallow on January 23, 2008, 02:04:12 PM
^ bruce was like that with me def, the voice is so hard to get used to, i cant unerstand him sometimes, and i feel you completely, i remember i researched robert johnson, and was so exited to hear him, and then after downloading, i was like, huh, like i dont get it, now, hes probly one of my fav blues artist, and that voice just is incredible, i takes time and an open mind, some shit ill catch myself listening to now 3 years ago i would have though im smokin crack, but i just let go of all my previous knowledge and try shit, also listening to something 1 time isnt enough, the 1st listen of something i never heard before thats very different is a strange experience, but after a couple times things happen in your brain that just make you get it, or sometimes you just dont get it after listening time and time over, so u just dont listen, im like that with a lot of electronic music, nothing sparks so i say fuck it


The electronic digital stuff is just something I don't want to get used to. I've gone through all the old disco and dance music stuf through and through. I realy do prefer a sound that's more raw. 10 years ago I laughed at the idea of putting RZA up there with Dre now I defeniately prefer the Wu Tang sound to the G Funk sound. It feels more real to me. It's part of the reason I can only like MJ so much. It's so sleek and over produced for me. It sounds too polished for me. It's like these greek pastries my mom and aunts make. They are just covered in sugar and glaze and they are just too sweet for me to like. I grew up with them but I never liked them that much.


I didn't start to get Bruce until I realized that all his older songs were like little movies. He plays a part when he sings. He emotes what he feels the character is trying to express. Sometimes it leads to some very out of tune singing like on the Joad or D and D albums. But once I realized this and went back to the BTR and Darkness albums I could see that they are like a collection of short stories with a common thread, and could even be seen as all different scenes from the same movie. I hadn't come across an artist that had done it like that before, or since then for that mattter, and that's why he really stuck out for me.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson - For all time (2008)
Post by: R-Tistic on January 23, 2008, 02:06:49 PM
I don't know...maybe it's my upbringing, but I've never respected Elvis much at all, and I feel that he was extremely overrated as a singer and star. This might start a war on here, and I know for fact that some people here know much more about him than I will ever (care to) know. I just know that me and most people I know admire and respect MJ, James Brown, and even Prince MUCH, MUCH MORE than they ever will Elvis.

That's just because you're ignorant to his contributions to Music.  Elvis Presley was HUGE, he changed the way music was made and had a much heavier, significant impact than MJ, James Brown and Prince combined.  A lot of Elvis' 'hate' comes from the black community because they've been told that Elvis was a racist.  All indications are that nothing could be farther from the truth, Elvis grew up in a black community, attended a black church as a child, and worked with black artists his entire career.  There's even a famous story of Elvis standing up for his black backup-singers on a trip to Texas once.  This was a man without a racist bone in his body, but because he was a white man capable of singing as well as any black man, he was often attacked and was hated because he could reach success that a black man often couldn't.  People looked at Elvis and said how come hes' the shit but nobody listens to Otis Redding?  While his success may have had something to do with being more 'acceptable' to White America than blacks were, you cannot knock the man's talent.  I believe if you actually researched and paid attention to Elvis's music, his life, and his contributions to music you would be flat out amazed at just how great he truly was.  

Well I'll be for real...my dad and his family are from Memphis, so I definitely realize how huge he was whenever I drive by Graceland, and see Elvis Presley Blvd. However, it is probably ingrained or even brainwashed into me to not care much for him, since everyone I grew up under didn't show him any love or respect for various reasons that I really can't certify. I can't deny anything that you say...but assuming you know how serious the racial tension was back in the day, you would probably assume why most blacks felt as they did about Elvis, regardless of how talented he was. From how I heard it, Elvis may have been something like an "Eminem" during Em's prime, when he was arguably the best out, or close to it...but with Em, as huge as he was, he wasn't THAT FAR ahead of the other artists who were out, if you get what I mean. If Em had it like I hear Elvis did, it would basically mean that there was Eminem who went 25 times platinum, but Jay, Pac, Snoop, and Big, who Em got help from and got some of his style/image from, would only be going Gold, and couldn't have even got a record deal....so of course there is going to be a major divide.

If you saw Little Richard's movie, and if you know about how things happened back then, you would know that it was fact that a black artist would make a song, and a white artist would come and take the song, water it down, and make 100,000 times more than the black artist...so it would make sense that they would hate Elvis, even if he was coming up with his own songs, just because he was getting paid for doing what blacks did, when blacks weren't in a position to get paid the same way.

I do admit that my family used to say that he was a racist, but I really have no idea since I wasn't around to know about it. Looking at the time period, I wouldn't at all be surprised if he appeared to the media as being someone who loved blacks, but was a closet racist like many people are...but I'm not going to say he was at all, because I don't know. Many people will act as if they love blacks and whoever else for political and publicity reasons..but when they get home, they are calling them "niggers" to their family members.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson - For all time (2008)
Post by: Shallow on January 23, 2008, 02:09:15 PM
I don't know...maybe it's my upbringing, but I've never respected Elvis much at all, and I feel that he was extremely overrated as a singer and star. This might start a war on here, and I know for fact that some people here know much more about him than I will ever (care to) know. I just know that me and most people I know admire and respect MJ, James Brown, and even Prince MUCH, MUCH MORE than they ever will Elvis.


No wars being started. You just don't listen to that music. James Brown would equate Elvis's talent with his own. Is Brown being an idiot when he says that? How much of the old RnB do you relly listen to. I'm not talking about the MoTown Pop. I mean Big Mama Thornton, Howlin Wolf, Chuck Berry, Arthur Cruddup  etc. My guess is you only listen to that stuff when it show up in a movie. You may as well be juding metal singers. Or go to a Bob Dylan concert and ask a bunch of 60 somethings who is the better rapper Rakim or Luda.

I am definitely familiar with all of these artists, since my dad is a Jazz musician who's in his 60's, but neither of us actively listen to this sound. I listen to Jazz that goes back further than that, but I don't listen to much R&B, Rock, or Soul that goes past the 60's...so my taste for that is a lot different. I have more of an ear for Jazz, so it is hard for me to even appreciate some of the musical compositions that Motown's "pop" had as you said, because it just won't hit you the same way if you are listening for more complex music.



That's what I was saying. People that are used to Marvin Gaye don't think much of Sinatra, and the people used to Sinatra don't think much of Gaye. I'm using kids of today as the example. Most of my black friends that grew up with MoTown in the house think Sinatra sucks. Most of my Italian friends that grew up with the Rat Pack in the house think Marvin Gaye sounds like a woman amd can't listen to it.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson - For all time (2008)
Post by: Shallow on January 23, 2008, 02:13:51 PM
If you saw Little Richard's movie, and if you know about how things happened back then, you would know that it was fact that a black artist would make a song, and a white artist would come and take the song, water it down, and make 100,000 times more than the black artist...so it would make sense that they would hate Elvis, even if he was coming up with his own songs, just because he was getting paid for doing what blacks did, when blacks weren't in a position to get paid the same way.


The later stuff and the soundtrack stuff was way watered down a popped up but I don't know many blacks of 50s RnB that have anything bad to say about the Sun stuff Elvis recorded. As far as I know that old Elvis stuff was greatly regarded in the black music community.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson - For all time (2008)
Post by: R-Tistic on January 23, 2008, 02:28:04 PM
I don't know...maybe it's my upbringing, but I've never respected Elvis much at all, and I feel that he was extremely overrated as a singer and star. This might start a war on here, and I know for fact that some people here know much more about him than I will ever (care to) know. I just know that me and most people I know admire and respect MJ, James Brown, and even Prince MUCH, MUCH MORE than they ever will Elvis.


No wars being started. You just don't listen to that music. James Brown would equate Elvis's talent with his own. Is Brown being an idiot when he says that? How much of the old RnB do you relly listen to. I'm not talking about the MoTown Pop. I mean Big Mama Thornton, Howlin Wolf, Chuck Berry, Arthur Cruddup  etc. My guess is you only listen to that stuff when it show up in a movie. You may as well be juding metal singers. Or go to a Bob Dylan concert and ask a bunch of 60 somethings who is the better rapper Rakim or Luda.

I am definitely familiar with all of these artists, since my dad is a Jazz musician who's in his 60's, but neither of us actively listen to this sound. I listen to Jazz that goes back further than that, but I don't listen to much R&B, Rock, or Soul that goes past the 60's...so my taste for that is a lot different. I have more of an ear for Jazz, so it is hard for me to even appreciate some of the musical compositions that Motown's "pop" had as you said, because it just won't hit you the same way if you are listening for more complex music.



That's what I was saying. People that are used to Marvin Gaye don't think much of Sinatra, and the people used to Sinatra don't think much of Gaye. I'm using kids of today as the example. Most of my black friends that grew up with MoTown in the house think Sinatra sucks. Most of my Italian friends that grew up with the Rat Pack in the house think Marvin Gaye sounds like a woman amd can't listen to it.

I think Sinatra and Marvin were dope as hell. I have music from both of them, but I would definitely prefer hearing Marvin. It is all different styles though, and it's hard to get into styles that don't have much in common.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson - For all time (2008)
Post by: Shallow on January 23, 2008, 02:57:29 PM
I don't know...maybe it's my upbringing, but I've never respected Elvis much at all, and I feel that he was extremely overrated as a singer and star. This might start a war on here, and I know for fact that some people here know much more about him than I will ever (care to) know. I just know that me and most people I know admire and respect MJ, James Brown, and even Prince MUCH, MUCH MORE than they ever will Elvis.


No wars being started. You just don't listen to that music. James Brown would equate Elvis's talent with his own. Is Brown being an idiot when he says that? How much of the old RnB do you relly listen to. I'm not talking about the MoTown Pop. I mean Big Mama Thornton, Howlin Wolf, Chuck Berry, Arthur Cruddup  etc. My guess is you only listen to that stuff when it show up in a movie. You may as well be juding metal singers. Or go to a Bob Dylan concert and ask a bunch of 60 somethings who is the better rapper Rakim or Luda.

I am definitely familiar with all of these artists, since my dad is a Jazz musician who's in his 60's, but neither of us actively listen to this sound. I listen to Jazz that goes back further than that, but I don't listen to much R&B, Rock, or Soul that goes past the 60's...so my taste for that is a lot different. I have more of an ear for Jazz, so it is hard for me to even appreciate some of the musical compositions that Motown's "pop" had as you said, because it just won't hit you the same way if you are listening for more complex music.



That's what I was saying. People that are used to Marvin Gaye don't think much of Sinatra, and the people used to Sinatra don't think much of Gaye. I'm using kids of today as the example. Most of my black friends that grew up with MoTown in the house think Sinatra sucks. Most of my Italian friends that grew up with the Rat Pack in the house think Marvin Gaye sounds like a woman amd can't listen to it.

I think Sinatra and Marvin were dope as hell. I have music from both of them, but I would definitely prefer hearing Marvin. It is all different styles though, and it's hard to get into styles that don't have much in common.


I wasn't talking about you. You're jazz background would at least give you some apprecation of the crooners and big band stuff. Real fans of music who like and listen to almost everything will like both. The blacks and italians I was referring too aren't all that keen on studying music as it is. They are common fans of top 40 shit.


But you liking Sinatra makes me think you at least hear the talent of singing requred to perform that version of Bridge I posted. Did you hear it?
Title: Re: Michael Jackson - For all time (2008)
Post by: white Boy on January 23, 2008, 04:35:36 PM
yea, i def like that raw sound, the blues have been doing it for me lately, howlin wolf, john lee hooker, robert johnson, blind boy fuller, son house, leadbelly,  i love it , i even got into some woody guthrie.


 oh, shallow, do you have any eric von shmidt?
Title: Re: Michael Jackson - For all time (2008)
Post by: Shallow on January 23, 2008, 04:47:55 PM
yea, i def like that raw sound, the blues have been doing it for me lately, howlin wolf, john lee hooker, robert johnson, blind boy fuller, son house, leadbelly,  i love it , i even got into some woody guthrie.


 oh, shallow, do you have any eric von shmidt?


Never really got aroud to him yet. Anything you recommend?
Title: Re: Michael Jackson - For all time (2008)
Post by: white Boy on January 23, 2008, 04:52:27 PM
^ well i never heard any, i know bob dylan covered baby let me follow you down, and thats 1 of my fav dylan songs, but i could never find any of his stuff to hear
Title: Re: Michael Jackson - For all time (2008)
Post by: R-Tistic on January 23, 2008, 11:13:16 PM
I don't know...maybe it's my upbringing, but I've never respected Elvis much at all, and I feel that he was extremely overrated as a singer and star. This might start a war on here, and I know for fact that some people here know much more about him than I will ever (care to) know. I just know that me and most people I know admire and respect MJ, James Brown, and even Prince MUCH, MUCH MORE than they ever will Elvis.


No wars being started. You just don't listen to that music. James Brown would equate Elvis's talent with his own. Is Brown being an idiot when he says that? How much of the old RnB do you relly listen to. I'm not talking about the MoTown Pop. I mean Big Mama Thornton, Howlin Wolf, Chuck Berry, Arthur Cruddup  etc. My guess is you only listen to that stuff when it show up in a movie. You may as well be juding metal singers. Or go to a Bob Dylan concert and ask a bunch of 60 somethings who is the better rapper Rakim or Luda.

I am definitely familiar with all of these artists, since my dad is a Jazz musician who's in his 60's, but neither of us actively listen to this sound. I listen to Jazz that goes back further than that, but I don't listen to much R&B, Rock, or Soul that goes past the 60's...so my taste for that is a lot different. I have more of an ear for Jazz, so it is hard for me to even appreciate some of the musical compositions that Motown's "pop" had as you said, because it just won't hit you the same way if you are listening for more complex music.



That's what I was saying. People that are used to Marvin Gaye don't think much of Sinatra, and the people used to Sinatra don't think much of Gaye. I'm using kids of today as the example. Most of my black friends that grew up with MoTown in the house think Sinatra sucks. Most of my Italian friends that grew up with the Rat Pack in the house think Marvin Gaye sounds like a woman amd can't listen to it.

I think Sinatra and Marvin were dope as hell. I have music from both of them, but I would definitely prefer hearing Marvin. It is all different styles though, and it's hard to get into styles that don't have much in common.


I wasn't talking about you. You're jazz background would at least give you some apprecation of the crooners and big band stuff. Real fans of music who like and listen to almost everything will like both. The blacks and italians I was referring too aren't all that keen on studying music as it is. They are common fans of top 40 shit.


But you liking Sinatra makes me think you at least hear the talent of singing requred to perform that version of Bridge I posted. Did you hear it?

I am listening to it now...I've never heard it before. Yeah, this track is pretty cold. I didn't realize he had a strong voice like that.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson - For all time (2008)
Post by: RECOGNIZE187 on January 24, 2008, 10:00:07 AM
interesting yall mention Sinatra..coz he once said if theres anyone a better singer than he is, its MJ !

Title: Re: Michael Jackson - For all time (2008)
Post by: Shallow on January 24, 2008, 11:08:29 AM
interesting yall mention Sinatra..coz he once said if theres anyone a better singer than he is, its MJ !





Sinatra started going crazy in the 80s and 90s. I've seen performances where he was forgetting the words to the chorus of New York New York, so hearing that he said something like that doesn't surprise me. Hell he was probably looking at a picture of Michael Jordan when he said "that kid MJ sings better than me".
Title: Re: Michael Jackson - For all time (2008)
Post by: RECOGNIZE187 on January 24, 2008, 03:26:57 PM
sinatra did the duets album before he died!

that is michael jordan yea (http://www.coolstamps.com/tou98ss-sinatra-mj.jpg)

u're an idiot! and stop with tha off topic already...

the topic is MJ -for all time!

yea i got it..MJ is not a good dancer (while all the best dancers in the world said he is amazing)

yea MJ is not a good singer (while all the greatest singers said he is amazing & are his fans--from rick james  (rip) to Prince)

if u like it or not...9 year ol Mj sang better than all yall favorite singers!!...and he can sing higher also!

https://www.youtube.com/v/iZxBcmrv7fg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZxBcmrv7fg)

https://www.youtube.com/v/ItzWInfnz5c (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItzWInfnz5c)

he sang...got signed to motown..went solo and became the biggest superstar of all time! not just coz he had people around him and was there at the right time and right place...BUT COZ HE GOT TALENT!!! and if u don't see that he is one of the most talented people that ever lived u are blind!!

only idiots and strange people don't like MJ!
np,u can hate on him...but u can't hate his talent!!!
with his entertainment,it cant get no bigger! this is maximum for this world...MJ!! and there will never be nobody like him again!
and dont tell me u aint hatin...COZ U ARE!!!!!!!u disrespect him & his talent & music!
Title: Re: Michael Jackson - For all time (2008)
Post by: Javier on January 24, 2008, 03:56:33 PM
Dear MJ:

I wrote you u're still not callin!  I left my cell, my myspace, and home number on the bottom!
Title: Re: Michael Jackson - For all time (2008)
Post by: RECOGNIZE187 on January 24, 2008, 04:20:56 PM
Dear MJ:

I wrote you u're still not callin!  I left my cell, my myspace, and home number on the bottom!

now thats ignorant!!

i don't know what u live for...but for me..music is my number 1 thing in life...so i like to talk about it...

we are not talkin about fans here..and stans...but about TALENT!!! nothin else!
Title: Re: Michael Jackson
Post by: RECOGNIZE187 on January 27, 2008, 09:13:20 AM
he just got an award for thriller ! NRJ music awards..france...

check the speech

https://www.youtube.com/v/KforA8JKoi0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KforA8JKoi0)

PS: ill make this a MICHAEL JACKSON thread..for all the news!
Title: Re: Michael Jackson -NEWS
Post by: Sir Petey on January 27, 2008, 09:22:26 AM
I got moonwalker on DVD.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson
Post by: Mackin on January 27, 2008, 05:40:20 PM
he just got an award for thriller ! NRJ music awards..france...

check the speech

https://www.youtube.com/v/KforA8JKoi0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KforA8JKoi0)

PS: ill make this a MICHAEL JACKSON thread..for all the news!

Is this recent??
Lol At MJ winning awards,when he ain't released anything new in awhile...
pretty good though!
Title: Re: Michael Jackson -NEWS
Post by: RECOGNIZE187 on January 28, 2008, 08:38:51 AM
this was 2 days ago yea...well it was life time achievement!
he said he workin on thriller 25
Title: Re: Michael Jackson -NEWS
Post by: Mackin on January 28, 2008, 08:42:02 AM
this was 2 days ago yea...well it was life time achievement!
he said he workin on thriller 25

How Many Life Time awards will this Dude win???
t's getting ridiculous...

What's up with Dudes voice..sounds like he got sumthin in his mouth...
Title: Re: Michael Jackson -NEWS
Post by: RECOGNIZE187 on January 28, 2008, 08:44:47 AM
a lot  :D ..well he deserves it...and since thriller 25 is coming...its cool he got 1 more!

PLAN:

Michael Jackson w/ Akon
"Wanna Be Startin' Somethin' 2008"

Celebrating the Thriller 25th Anniversary of the World's Biggest Selling Album of All Time

New CD Re-Package Available 2.12.08

The World's Biggest Album just got bigger featuring previously unreleased tracks with will.i.am, Fergie, Kayne West and Akon

Feb.3 Super Bowl XLII TV Spot

Feb.10 Grammy Tribute featuring will.i.am, Akon and Fergie

Mid-Feb. BET Honors include a tribute to Michael Jackson

Thriller 25 MySpace and Facebook launch January

Massive Press, TV, Radio, Online and Outdoor Advertising campaign to launch Feb. 1
_________________
Title: Re: Michael Jackson -NEWS
Post by: Mackin on January 28, 2008, 08:47:18 AM
a lot  :D ..well he deserves it...and since thriller 25 is coming...its cool he got 1 more!

PLAN:

Michael Jackson w/ Akon
"Wanna Be Startin' Somethin' 2008"

Celebrating the Thriller 25th Anniversary of the World's Biggest Selling Album of All Time

New CD Re-Package Available 2.12.08

The World's Biggest Album just got bigger featuring previously unreleased tracks with will.i.am, Fergie, Kayne West and Akon

Feb.3 Super Bowl XLII TV Spot

Feb.10 Grammy Tribute featuring will.i.am, Akon and Fergie

Mid-Feb. BET Honors include a tribute to Michael Jackson

Thriller 25 MySpace and Facebook launch January

Massive Press, TV, Radio, Online and Outdoor Advertising campaign to launch Feb. 1
_________________

SMh...Out of anybody..why Akon???
Why Fergie???
Why  Kanye???

Title: Re: Michael Jackson -NEWS
Post by: RECOGNIZE187 on January 28, 2008, 08:49:14 AM
coz they are on thriller 25...coz they showed love and support in tha last years for MJ...
and coz they are realy popular nowdays & good producers
Title: Re: Michael Jackson -NEWS
Post by: LyRiCaL_G on January 28, 2008, 02:52:46 PM
a lot  :D ..well he deserves it...and since thriller 25 is coming...its cool he got 1 more!

PLAN:

Michael Jackson w/ Akon
"Wanna Be Startin' Somethin' 2008"

Celebrating the Thriller 25th Anniversary of the World's Biggest Selling Album of All Time

New CD Re-Package Available 2.12.08

The World's Biggest Album just got bigger featuring previously unreleased tracks with will.i.am, Fergie, Kayne West and Akon

Feb.3 Super Bowl XLII TV Spot

Feb.10 Grammy Tribute featuring will.i.am, Akon and Fergie

Mid-Feb. BET Honors include a tribute to Michael Jackson

Thriller 25 MySpace and Facebook launch January

Massive Press, TV, Radio, Online and Outdoor Advertising campaign to launch Feb. 1
_________________

is there any news of a new album? this remix shit is garbage
Title: Re: Michael Jackson -NEWS
Post by: RECOGNIZE187 on January 28, 2008, 06:50:35 PM
a lot  :D ..well he deserves it...and since thriller 25 is coming...its cool he got 1 more!

PLAN:

Michael Jackson w/ Akon
"Wanna Be Startin' Somethin' 2008"

Celebrating the Thriller 25th Anniversary of the World's Biggest Selling Album of All Time

New CD Re-Package Available 2.12.08

The World's Biggest Album just got bigger featuring previously unreleased tracks with will.i.am, Fergie, Kayne West and Akon

Feb.3 Super Bowl XLII TV Spot

Feb.10 Grammy Tribute featuring will.i.am, Akon and Fergie

Mid-Feb. BET Honors include a tribute to Michael Jackson

Thriller 25 MySpace and Facebook launch January

Massive Press, TV, Radio, Online and Outdoor Advertising campaign to launch Feb. 1
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is there any news of a new album? this remix shit is garbage

well he said he is in the studio every day...also if u checked this new speech he said his passion for music never stopped!
so album is coming...i hope this year..if not then in 2009 ! a lot of songs are done...first he needs a new record label / deal than we will see! ill keep u updated from time to time in this topic!!
the thing is..the world needs michael jackson!! all this garbage music nowdays...records aint sellin...somethin needs to be done!
Title: Re: Michael Jackson -NEWS
Post by: Klue on January 30, 2008, 10:21:11 AM
MJ will be the sponsor of the french reality show Star Academey (american idol) in his 8th edition AHAHAH

that some bullshit if you knew how that show is crap  ::)

don't have the new in english sorry..
Title: Re: Michael Jackson -NEWS
Post by: RECOGNIZE187 on January 30, 2008, 10:33:56 AM
MJ will be the sponsor of the french reality show Star Academey (american idol) in his 8th edition AHAHAH

that some bullshit if you knew how that show is crap  ::)

don't have the new in english sorry..

source?

it's fake i think...
Title: Re: Michael Jackson -NEWS
Post by: RECOGNIZE187 on February 02, 2008, 03:34:58 PM
new thriller 25 promotion video...artists talkin about it...+ will i am interviewing quincy jones

https://www.youtube.com/v/RiUly9wewnQ&eurl= (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiUly9wewnQ&eurl=)
Title: Re: Michael Jackson -NEWS
Post by: RECOGNIZE187 on February 02, 2008, 07:45:20 PM
Akon involved in Jackson Super Bowl ad
By NEKESA MUMBI MOODY AP Entertainment Writer
Article Launched: 02/02/2008 05:45:20 PM PST

SCOTTSDALE, Ariz.—It's supposed to be top secret—but Akon is giving out a tidbit of information about the rumored ad that Michael Jackson is doing for the Super Bowl.

"We just did a commercial—it's a Pepsi commercial. He actually involved me in it so I feel like I'm a part of that process," Akon told The Associated Press on Friday at Maxim's pre-Super Bowl bash.

Jackson is releasing a 25th anniversary edition of his best-selling album "Thriller" on Feb. 12, featuring acts like Akon, Kanye West and Fergie on remix editions of that historic disc's songs.

"It's really moreso Mike picking a lot of the acts that he liked and admired today, and kind of getting them the big songs that they like and reinventing it like it was their own," he explained. "Everyone has their own taste of how that would have been."

It's been reported that an ad for the CD will be featured during the Super Bowl. But while Akon did confirm a commercial does exist, he was closed-mouthed when asked how to describe it.

"Oh, he might kill me," Akon laughed about Jackson. "But it's gonna be funny. You're going to love it. He's not even in it. But it's crazy. I want to tell you so bad!"

Akon was a surprise performer with singer-rapper T-Pain at the Maxim event, one of dozens of soirees happening in the Phoenix area for Super Bowl week. But Akon, best known for songs like "I Wanna Love You" and "Don't Matter," wasn't planning on taking part in the party madness.

"At every big event, it's always the same excitement," Akon said. "Right now I'm so focused ... about trying to take over, I don't focus on the party side."
Title: Re: Michael Jackson -NEWS
Post by: RECOGNIZE187 on February 02, 2008, 07:45:52 PM
timbaland to anounce to work with a mystery artist on the grammys

I heard a recent radio interview with [mega.....producer] claiming he is working with a *male, a "HE"* ,his vocals on my beats are outta this world* and everytime this persons name was mentioned during this radio interview, a beep came and you couldnt hear who they were naming. But here is the interesting part, he, the producer said, we are gonna announce it on the Grammys. Now, when a producer cant tell who he is working with cuz its so big, it can only be mega-status like MJ & Prince. The Producer im talking about is Timbaland. All the fans of timbaland are pretty much saying this mysterious guy must be Michael Jackson or possibly Usher which i doubt, cuz he aint megaton-worthy. and prince and timbo .... dont see that happening either
Title: Re: Michael Jackson official thread! -all the NEWS
Post by: RECOGNIZE187 on February 02, 2008, 08:19:43 PM
rumour about the new album!

TITLE: HIStory Book II
ARTIST: Michael Jackson
RELEASE DATE: May 20, 2008

1. The Future (Jackson, Adams)
2. Say It Loud [feat. will.i.am] (Brown, Ellis)
3. B Me 4 a Day (Jackson)
4. Never Again (Jackson, Legend)
5. I'm Dreamin (Jackson, Adams)
6. The Pain (Jackson, Jerkins)
7. Pressure (Jackson, Jerkins)
8. Seduction (Jackson, Jerkins)
9. Do You Want Me? (Jackson, West)
10. You Are So Beautiful (Jackson)
11. I Have This Dream (Jackson, Bayer Sager)
12. Watch Over Me [feat. Prince, Paris and Blanket] (Michael Jackson, Prince Michael Jackson, Paris Katherine Jackson, Prince Michael Jackson II)


MICHAEL JACKSON 'DREAMDANCE'

Dreamdance
The Future
Stranger Things Have Happened
Not Gonna Be The One
Don't Look At Me That Way
That Ain't Love
No Regrets
At Your Service
Come To Your Senses
We Have The Power
Never Again
Dreamin'
She's Over Me
You'd Be Surprised
Overkill
Convince Me To Stay
Title: Re: Michael Jackson official thread! -all the NEWS
Post by: Mackin on February 02, 2008, 08:22:35 PM
{Jenkins]...Rodeny 'dark Child' Jenkins???
Title: Re: Michael Jackson official thread! -all the NEWS
Post by: RECOGNIZE187 on February 02, 2008, 08:23:53 PM
{Jenkins]...Rodeny 'dark Child' Jenkins???
jerkins! yea..darkchild!

i dont like what he did on invincible tho..he also priduced 50 % of JAnet's new album
Title: Re: Michael Jackson official thread! -all the NEWS
Post by: Mackin on February 02, 2008, 08:26:39 PM
^^ well id on't know, dude is pretty Good!
Like soem of his stuff!
So i'll be expecting to see what will transpire!
not a Big Fan Of Janet, i think she tries to hard!-Which is understandable, she's a jackson

But i'm happy that she is back working on Muisc!
Title: Re: Michael Jackson official thread! -all the NEWS
Post by: Mackin on February 02, 2008, 08:28:35 PM
rumour about the new album!



MICHAEL JACKSON 'DREAMDANCE'

Dreamdance
The Future
Stranger Things Have Happened
Not Gonna Be The One
Don't Look At Me That Way
That Ain't Love
No Regrets
At Your Service
Come To Your Senses
We Have The Power
Never Again
Dreamin'
She's Over Me
You'd Be Surprised
Overkill
Convince Me To Stay

^^what's this???
Title: Re: Michael Jackson official thread! -all the NEWS
Post by: RECOGNIZE187 on February 02, 2008, 08:29:58 PM
rumour about the new album!



MICHAEL JACKSON 'DREAMDANCE'

Dreamdance
The Future
Stranger Things Have Happened
Not Gonna Be The One
Don't Look At Me That Way
That Ain't Love
No Regrets
At Your Service
Come To Your Senses
We Have The Power
Never Again
Dreamin'
She's Over Me
You'd Be Surprised
Overkill
Convince Me To Stay

^^what's this???

i guess the songs that might make it on the album...+ those one...

its a rumour tho!!


well janet has a new video out..produced by jerkins...it's ok!
Title: Re: Michael Jackson official thread! -all the NEWS
Post by: Mackin on February 02, 2008, 08:31:56 PM
Alright..
Yeah Janet is ok....The Track is not bad!!
it's Ok..You Know!
I'll wait 2 see what she does for her next single..then i'll decide if i want to get her album...
Title: Re: Michael Jackson official thread! -all the NEWS
Post by: RECOGNIZE187 on February 02, 2008, 08:32:54 PM
 :)
www.janetjackson.com (http://www.janetjackson.com)

and check the jukebox for 3 tracks

she will perform on the grammys also...

i liked the track from her last album...with JD and khia..so excited...when she was almost naked lol...
Title: Re: Michael Jackson official thread! -all the NEWS
Post by: Trauma-san on February 02, 2008, 09:00:14 PM
I've been a big fan of Michael's for years, but don't expect a new album anytime soon.  It's just simply not going to happen.  He takes entirely too long to record, and he's obviously moved into a part of his life where he's comfortable letting the younger crowd run the airwaves while he enjoys his children.  I don't really blame him.  He's getting older, his music will never be as successful as it once was, and he doesn't have the hunger to record at the level he did earlier in his career.  When he recorded "Thriller" he worked 15-20 hour days, beating Quincy to the studio every day and staying long after he left.  He's not going to spend that kind of energy on any new projects. 


With that said though, a true entertainer goes through many seasons, he's already waned and waxed at least 3 times; once as a child in the Jackson 5, then they kind of faded away a little bit, then again with his huge success from thriller through "dangerous", then  again in the late 90's and early 2000's with all the contraversy. 

Frank Sinatra was huge 3 different times, in the 50's as a crooner, in the 60's as an older man with the rat pack, and then again in the 80's as a legend. 

When Michael's children get a little older, I wouldn't be surprised that their youth and energy will remind him of how he once was, and we'll see another chapter in all this. 
Title: Re: Michael Jackson official thread! -all the NEWS
Post by: RECOGNIZE187 on February 03, 2008, 08:37:23 AM
In the Feb 7 issue of Rolling Stone, Akon talks about a second collabration with Michael called Hold My Hand. It will be on the rapper's new album Acquitted (due in May). "This one's a global smash," Akon says of the collaboration.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson official thread! -all the NEWS
Post by: The Sorrow aka Maurice on February 08, 2008, 05:52:08 AM
ive got the album today!present in my mail 8) very nice ;D cd's are golden,cover is nice.
very curious about the dvd..
Title: Re: Michael Jackson official thread! -all the NEWS
Post by: KURUPTION-81 on February 09, 2008, 08:45:54 AM
ive got the album today!present in my mail 8) very nice ;D cd's are golden,cover is nice.
very curious about the dvd..

whats on the dvd ?
Title: Re: Michael Jackson official thread! -all the NEWS
Post by: The Sorrow aka Maurice on February 10, 2008, 04:51:52 AM
ive got the album today!present in my mail 8) very nice ;D cd's are golden,cover is nice.
very curious about the dvd..

whats on the dvd ?

Dvd the short films:

1-Billie Jean
2-Beat it
3-Thriller
4-Billie Jean-The legendary Performance from Motown 25: Yesterday,Today and Forever


Inlay:  Short thanks of MJ, Pictures,Songtexts of all songs,Credits,History Recording and recording-dates,Prices

(http://www.mjlegend.com/cutenews/data/upimages/Thriller_25th_anniversary.jpg)
Title: Re: Michael Jackson official thread! -all the NEWS
Post by: Mackin on February 10, 2008, 05:40:03 AM
I wonder if Mj ever takes a look back at his old Pics adn think...'darn..Bubbles I kinda Messed Up,but that's between me and you,keep it in the closet'.. ;D ;D

I'm getting this Cd next week..
Title: Re: Michael Jackson official thread! -all the NEWS
Post by: KURUPTION-81 on February 10, 2008, 03:16:00 PM
I wonder if Mj ever takes a look back at his old Pics adn think...'darn..Bubbles I kinda Messed Up,but that's between me and you,keep it in the closet'.. ;D ;D

I'm getting this Cd next week..

lol that was a good one
Title: Re: Michael Jackson official thread! -all the NEWS
Post by: RECOGNIZE187 on February 22, 2008, 12:27:42 AM
amazing..since its 25 years old album..


Michael Jackson's "Thriller 25" is the highest-charting catalog album in the history of the comprehensive survey.

February 21, 2008,
Fred Bronson
KING OF POP (CATALOG): In its original run, Michael Jackson's "Thriller" was on The Billboard 200 for 122 weeks, 37 of which were spent at No. 1.

With the re-entry of a silver anniversary edition, the rechristened "Thriller 25" (Legacy/Epic) is in its 112th week on the Top Pop Catalog Albums chart and is No. 1 on that tally for the first time.

"Thriller" debuted on The Billboard 200 the week of Dec. 25, 1982. The album made its first appearance on the catalog chart the week of Nov. 14, 1992, entering at No. 42. It didn't reach the top 10 until the week of Feb. 27, 1993, when it leapt 26-2. It remained No. 2 the following week but never equaled or surpassed that ranking until this week.

The re-entry of "Thriller" puts the classic album back on the catalog chart for the first time since the week of May 12, 2007.

There aren't many 49-year-old performers who can say they have been on the Billboard charts for almost 40 years, but Michael can. As a member of the Jackson 5, he made his chart debut the week of Nov. 15, 1969, when "I Want You Back" bowed on The Billboard Hot 100. That gives Michael a career chart span of 38 years, three months and two weeks.

A final note: on the Top Comprehensive Albums chart, where catalog titles mix with current best-sellers, "Thriller 25" debuts at No. 2, runner-up to Jack Johnson's "Sleep Through the Static" (Brushfire), which is also No. 1 on The Billboard 200. "Thriller 25" is the highest-charting catalog album in the history of the comprehensive survey.

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When is the second highest selling album of the week nowhere to be found in the top 200?
There used to be a number of reasons but now it's down to one: When the disc has been classified as a catalog release.
The 25th anniversary edition of Michael Jackson's "Thriller" (Epic/Legacy) sold 166,000 copies in its first week of release, which would make it the second biggest seller of the week that ended Sunday. Despite it containing a DVD and five newly reworked versions of the songs, it is considered a catalog release by Billboard, which categorizes sales data collected by Nielsen SoundScan.
In much of the rest of the world it has been categorized as a new release and debuted at No. 1 in France, No. 2 in Germany, Australia, Holland, Norway and Switzerland, and No. 3 in the U.K. “Thriller,” which has sold 27 million copies, is No. 1 on Billboard’s catalog chart. Most catalog chart toppers sell between 15,000 and 20,000 copies per week.
Last year, Billboard eliminated its rule that barred from the top 200, releases available at a single retailer. That was in response to the Eagles selling more than 700,000 copies of "Long Road to Eden" at Wal-Mart outlets.
Billboard continues to make decisions on bonus packages that mystify many people in the industry. In many cases, a major star - Beyonce, Mary J. Blige, etc. - can release a second version of a hit album that includes new songs, new mixes and videos, but its sales are included with the initial release.
Other discs - and this often affects soundtracks - are almost always split between regular and deluxe editions, regardless of their time of release. There have been exceptions, though, and that seems to drive some execs bonkers. Just like the folks who want the world to know "Thriller 25" is the No. 2 seller in the country.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson official thread! -all the NEWS
Post by: Blu Lacez on February 22, 2008, 04:00:50 PM
I just bought this album!
It's nice!
The new remixes are not bad!..The 'PYT' by Wiil.I.Am is funky enuff..but does not touch the Og!