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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: KaiserSoze on February 11, 2010, 08:57:52 AM
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I was listenin to some of Biggie's collection last night when I was chillin for the first time in a while, and I think you have to stop listening to him for a while then go back and listen again to appreciate how incredible dude's flow is. Everything, from the way he rode the beat, to his switching up of rhyme structure, to his candence, to his delivery (granted, not all rappers are lucky enough to be born with Big's voice) .. it was almost as if there was nothing at all you could do to his flow to make it better.
There have been a lot of MC's out there with mega ill flows, from Rakim to Snoop Dogg to Method Man to Eminem, but do you guys think any of those dudes or others have a better flow than BIG? Let's bare in mind here that Biggie couldn't just flow over certain types of beat, he sounded equally on-point with any instrumental...hardcore, gritty, old school, banger, R'n'B, double time..his versatility of flow is almost as incredible as the flow itself.
So I thought I'd throw the question out there for debate. Personally, I'd give BIG the crown of having the best flow, and the other 4 I mentioned above (although that was just off the top of my head) would be the 4 closest to him IMO. Obviously, a lot of it will be down to personal opinion (for example, the likes of Redman, or Ludacris, will have their own fans who love their own unique flows better than the rest) but I'd like to take in to account the things I mentioned above when reffering to Biggie.. riding the beat, switching up of rhyme structures, candence, delivery and versatility.
Oh, and I just remembered Big Pun, dude also had crazy flow. To me though, a lot of modern rappers fall down when it comes to rhyme structure. For example, in "Put it On", Big-L filled pretty much every credential apart from swtiching up his rhyme structure. Nowadays, a lot of rappers seem to think it's fine to rap a whole song big rapping the first half of every bar in a similar rhythm then using the multi-syllable rhyme on the second half of the bar - each different rhyme getting a different candence. Don't get me wrong, this sometimes sounds dope as hell over the beat with the rhyme words being rapped in some sick candence rhythms. However, this is very..how would you say..."mechanical" ? ... "organised" ? That isn't what rap is all about. Flow is about more than just how you say the rhyme words. Go and listen to pretty much any Biggie track, particularly on Life After Death, and check how much he switches up his lyrical flow and rhyme structure. It doesn't just change, but all seems to fit seamlessly together from one bar to the next. It all seems to "flow".
Anyway, I won't ramble on any more and let you guys throw your 2 cents in...
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Snoop Dogg( Chronic/Doggystyle days)
Biggie
8)
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Rakim
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Eminem,Royce,Rakim,Sean Price,Havoc...
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Tray Deee, RA the Rugged Man, Biggie, DAZ DILLINGER...
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Em & Pac. 8)
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Tray Deee
Biggie
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Tray Deee
Biggie
REAL TALK ;)
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When I think flow the first person I think of is Rakim. You presented a good point by stating that Biggie was more versatile in terms of beats he could rap over, but Rakim's flow/rhyme scheme make him the easy winner in my eyes.
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I can't say who has the best flow of all time but rappers who are never off with their flow would definitely be Biggie, Pac, Pun, Rakim, Bun B, Tray Deee, Crooked I, Tech N9ne, Brotha Lynch Hung, etc.
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I can't say who has the best flow of all time but rappers who are never off with their flow would definitely be Biggie, Pac, Pun, Rakim, Bun B, Tray Deee, Crooked I, Tech N9ne, Brotha Lynch Hung, etc.
DOPE ;)
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Biggie
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Treach , Biggie , Big Pun , MF DOOM , Eminem , just a few
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cant fault most of the names mentioned.. but iive always loved Andre 3000's flow...
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Biggie
Big Pun
Early Snoop
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Big Pun
MF DOOM
Cam'ron
Raekwon
My list could go on.
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Puns flow was incredible! Dead in the middle...
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Good shout on Andre 3000.
I think the lack of mention for Busta Rhymes here is surprising. Yeah you can knock him for the musical output (he's been very hit and miss all his career) but the one thing he excels at above almost all other emcees is his flow. Absolutely incredible at times.
Agree with a lot of the mentions above, the obvious choices aswell such as Rakim and Biggie etc.
Just to throw some different names out there Camp Lo's two emcees Geechi Suede and Sonny Cheeba have great flow (even though half the time they talk nonsense).
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Ghostface Killah
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Early Snoop
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Biggie
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The D.O.C
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Check the Kool G Rap non-stop thug flow :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWYR9AIxWy8
''Go slow, hell no, I let the beat kick
And I get wicked like the Witches of Eastwick'' :o
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Ghostface Killah, Nas, Kool G Rap
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for me its easily biggie.
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Young MC 8)
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Kool G was the first to spring to mind... Right now Gibbs has a dope fuggen flow though! DOPE 8)
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Ludacris got the whole package, real talk, nobody mentioned him yet, so I'll throw his name out there. Ludacris is it. You could put that nigga over any beat, ANY beat, swear, anythang and he'll flow over it and deliver like it ain't NUTTIN'.
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qt best flow in rap all time you puttin luda over everyone? come on dogg
everyone?
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^ Nah, I wouldn't say that, but, damn near close. As far as his era go, like 2000+, hellz yeah.
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damn thats crazy
i mean im listenin to some new krs one tonight and krs 1 is str8 murderin mc's like westcoast people aint seen freezin weather
so IMO luda got a long way to go...but his 2000 era was dope but he hasnt been the same and has been very wack since then
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Yeah well all the shit now is korny gay crap, but he still, still, son straight murders guest spots. AND his own records like it's nuttin'. He's got flow and delivery on somethang else. I'm not sayin' he the best though. I ain't tryin' to label NOBODY the best. Lol.
I'd say Das EFX is up there wit the rest of them of 'all time'.
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well someones the best and who you think is the best?
label em qt? lol
whos the current best rapper?
alive or beneath
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I think Nas has the greatest flow. Ever since Illmatic, and even today he's still on top of hip-hop with this Damian Marley project that is about to save hip-hop.
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eminem, without a doubt
he can be rhyming about absolutely fuck all, but his flow will always be insane. take encore for example, some of the songs on there are terrible but his flow is on point each and every time
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is that the album wit ass like that? lol
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WISE INTELIGENT AND LIL DAP are so fuckin ILL 8)
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Busta Rhymes
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Busta Rhymes
;D
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WISE INTELIGENT AND LIL DAP are so fuckin ILL 8)
Lil' Dap? Are you fucking kidding me?
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well someones the best and who you think is the best?
label em qt? lol
whos the current best rapper?
alive or beneath
Kool G. Rap, Big L, Das EFX, Busta Rhymes, Chip Fu from The Fu-Schnickens is a fuckin' beast, Treach, Eminem, Big Pun, Bone Thugs, etc. etc..
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well someones the best and who you think is the best?
label em qt? lol
whos the current best rapper?
alive or beneath
Kool G. Rap, Big L, Das EFX, Busta Rhymes, Chip Fu from The Fu-Schnickens is a fuckin' beast, Treach, Eminem, Big Pun, Bone Thugs, etc. etc..
Forgot about Bone Thugs, Krazyie Bone is especially dope 8)
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lol...nah hes not
WISE INTELIGENT AND LIL DAP are so fuckin ILL 8)
Lil' Dap? Are you fucking kidding me?
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https://www.youtube.com/v/DwQbPgouUYo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwQbPgouUYo)
wahhhhhhh wahhhhhhh
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I think Nas has the greatest flow. Ever since Illmatic, and even today he's still on top of hip-hop with this Damian Marley project that is about to save hip-hop.
from what ?
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I'd say the three that come to mind, in no order, are ---- Notorious B.I.G., Eminem, KRS-One. Now, that is in terms of "flow versality". You can put them on a slow song or a Bone Thugs collabo and they are not only on point with the beat but they have such energy behind even the most simple of their words that you can't help but bob your head to it. I'd also point Jay-Z just behind them. I think he gets hated on a lot but his flow on Blueprint 3 was a big selling point on some of the songs.
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tech n9ne,redman, and i don't give a fuck about y'all say ;) Zach De La Rocha he can flow on anything 8) it's all gooooood 8)
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Just listening to Tha Eastsidaz - Cool
So imma go with Bigg Tray Deee right now ;D
There are plenty of contenders though. No1 will agree on one
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Lil Hawk, B Brazy From Bangin On Wax
BG Knocc Out & Mc Ren Got Crazy Flow Too
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Ludacris got the whole package, real talk, nobody mentioned him yet, so I'll throw his name out there. Ludacris is it. You could put that nigga over any beat, ANY beat, swear, anythang and he'll flow over it and deliver like it ain't NUTTIN'.
http://www.ucbcomedy.com/videos/play/1558
This wasn't even too bad lol
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Ludacris got the whole package, real talk, nobody mentioned him yet, so I'll throw his name out there. Ludacris is it. You could put that nigga over any beat, ANY beat, swear, anythang and he'll flow over it and deliver like it ain't NUTTIN'.
http://www.ucbcomedy.com/videos/play/1558
This wasn't even too bad lol
Lmao
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raekwon
nas
redman
will smith
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Big L
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Ludacris got the whole package, real talk, nobody mentioned him yet, so I'll throw his name out there. Ludacris is it. You could put that nigga over any beat, ANY beat, swear, anythang and he'll flow over it and deliver like it ain't NUTTIN'.
http://www.ucbcomedy.com/videos/play/1558
This wasn't even too bad lol
LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hahahahaahhahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!
will smith
Real fuckin' talk.
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Can we at least get a shout for Big Daddy Kane?
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me...listen for urself
http://limelinx.com/files/abd41eb711cea2f4801d01dd0e3d2c5b
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Royce the 5'9" has to be one of the more underrated when it comes to flow.
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Biggie Smalls.
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Hard to pick one.
Big L, Big Pun, ludacris, early kurupt.
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Can we at least get a shout for Big Daddy Kane?
why not?!? 8)
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Krayzie Bone takes the cake for me. That guy is incredible. He has like 5 different voices, can switch up his flow like crazy and never sounds off.
Honerable mentions: Eminem, Snoop Dogg, Bizzy Bone, Layzie Bone, Kurupt, Mikkey Halsted, Vishiss, Xzibit
not all rappers are lucky enough to be born with Big's voice
Dude sounded like a rapping fat man. Give me a few hours and I could find you at least 10 rappers that sound like Biggie.
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Krayzie Bone takes the cake for me. That guy is incredible. He has like 5 different voices, can switch up his flow like crazy and never sounds off.
Honerable mentions: Eminem, Snoop Dogg, Bizzy Bone, Layzie Bone, Kurupt, Mikkey Halsted, Vishiss, Xzibit
not all rappers are lucky enough to be born with Big's voice
Dude sounded like a rapping fat man. Give me a few hours and I could find you at least 10 rappers that sound like Biggie.
Many have tried. Shyne, early Game, etc... but none of them have the smoothness to go with the deepness that biggie had in his voice.
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better than millions of rappers out there...dead and alive
Can we at least get a shout for Big Daddy Kane?
why not?!? 8)