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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: M Dogg™ on June 13, 2013, 11:24:04 AM
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Kobe Bryant in his prime was better than LeBron is now in his prime! Especially in the Finals!
Cham, please put the gun down!
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Well that goes witout sayin... Shit, lebrons stock is fallin right back down to where it was a couple years ago with how he's been performin in the finals (once again) :-\
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Kobe Bryant in his prime was better than LeBron is now in his prime! Especially in the Finals!
Cham, please put the gun down!
Agreed on the finals part...and Kobe wasn't exactly MJ in the finals
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Kobe Bryant in his prime was better than LeBron is now in his prime! Especially in the Finals!
Cham, please put the gun down!
Agreed on the finals part...and Kobe wasn't exactly MJ in the finals
yeah, MJ never got embarrassed by a team with no HOF players like the 2004 Pistons
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Kobe Bryant in his prime was better than LeBron is now in his prime! Especially in the Finals!
Cham, please put the gun down!
Agreed on the finals part...and Kobe wasn't exactly MJ in the finals
yeah, MJ never got embarrassed by a team with no HOF players like the 2004 Pistons
But he's better than LeBron...
Side note, I need as many people as possible to check on Cham tonight. I am worried about him.
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Kobe Bryant in his prime was better than LeBron is now in his prime! Especially in the Finals!
Cham, please put the gun down!
Agreed on the finals part...and Kobe wasn't exactly MJ in the finals
yeah, MJ never got embarrassed by a team with no HOF players like the 2004 Pistons
That Lakers team was one of the most dysfunctional teams I've ever seen. I actually consider it a miracle that they made it.
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Kobe Bryant in his prime was better than LeBron is now in his prime! Especially in the Finals!
Cham, please put the gun down!
Agreed on the finals part...and Kobe wasn't exactly MJ in the finals
yeah, MJ never got embarrassed by a team with no HOF players like the 2004 Pistons
That Lakers team was one of the most dysfunctional teams I've ever seen. I actually consider it a miracle that they made it.
that's because they had Shaq, the most dominating Laker of all time
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Idiotic. You guys like to mention what "everyone thinks" and niggas already bypassed Kobe and went straight to Jordan with the comparisons.
Kobe at his best (according to NIK) was when he finished seventh with a .500 record and got bounced in the first round. LeBron pre-prime had equally as awful of a cast, won 60+ games and made it to the Finals.
Kobe's only even relevant right now because of Shaq's three ring boost. And thanks to absolute robbery being allowed, the Lakers won two more titles being the absolute best roster in basketball besides the Celtics.
Talk about brainwashed.
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Too bad Carlos Boozer left Cleveland in 2005...that really fucked up the Cavs playoff chances in 05-06 and in the finals in 06-07. with him they could have at least won a game or two against the Spurs. he'd fit well with Bron and those old lineups. and no need to trade for old man Shaq or Antwan Jamison lmao
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LeBron= best player ever 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
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LeBron= best player ever 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
Wooooooooo.
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look how great Kobe was in these games:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200006160IND.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200406100DET.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200806170BOS.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200406130DET.html
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Kobe Bryant in his prime was better than LeBron is now in his prime! Especially in the Finals!
Cham, please put the gun down!
Agreed on the finals part...and Kobe wasn't exactly MJ in the finals
yeah, MJ never got embarrassed by a team with no HOF players like the 2004 Pistons
That Lakers team was one of the most dysfunctional teams I've ever seen. I actually consider it a miracle that they made it.
that's because they had Shaq, the most dominating Laker of all time
actually, kobe was much better than shaq by then
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Idiotic. You guys like to mention what "everyone thinks" and niggas already bypassed Kobe and went straight to Jordan with the comparisons.
Kobe at his best (according to NIK) was when he finished seventh with a .500 record and got bounced in the first round. LeBron pre-prime had equally as awful of a cast, won 60+ games and made it to the Finals.
Kobe's only even relevant right now because of Shaq's three ring boost. And thanks to absolute robbery being allowed, the Lakers won two more titles being the absolute best roster in basketball besides the Celtics.
Talk about brainwashed.
"equally as awful a cast"...lmfao
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Kobe Bryant in his prime was better than LeBron is now in his prime! Especially in the Finals!
Cham, please put the gun down!
Agreed on the finals part...and Kobe wasn't exactly MJ in the finals
yeah, MJ never got embarrassed by a team with no HOF players like the 2004 Pistons
That Lakers team was one of the most dysfunctional teams I've ever seen. I actually consider it a miracle that they made it.
that's because they had Shaq, the most dominating Laker of all time
actually, kobe was much better than shaq by then
and Kobe's selfishness and lack of leadership lead to them getting their asses handed to them by the Pistons in the finals
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Kobe Bryant in his prime was better than LeBron is now in his prime! Especially in the Finals!
Cham, please put the gun down!
Agreed on the finals part...and Kobe wasn't exactly MJ in the finals
yeah, MJ never got embarrassed by a team with no HOF players like the 2004 Pistons
That Lakers team was one of the most dysfunctional teams I've ever seen. I actually consider it a miracle that they made it.
that's because they had Shaq, the most dominating Laker of all time
actually, kobe was much better than shaq by then
and Kobe's selfishness and lack of leadership lead to them getting their asses handed to them by the Pistons in the finals
not really...it was well documented as gary paton's weak play at point guard along with malone's injury that fucked us that year.
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Daniel Gibson...
Donyell Marshall...
They were only "better" because LeBron is a better player than Kobe.
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Daniel Gibson...
Donyell Marshall...
They were only "better" because LeBron is a better player than Kobe.
don't forget future hall-of-famers Drew Gooden and Damon Jones. those guys are great ;)
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compared to a starting line-up that consisted of kwame brown, smush parker, and luke walton, those are all-star players.........lets not forget, cleveland had the top team defense in the league that year. that team was no slouch.
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too bad nobody besides Bron could score a lick
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when its all said and done LeBron will go down as better than Kobe based on the fact he will have lead all his teams to titles, instead of Kobe being lead to 3 by Shaq. And LeBron will have passed Kobe in all important statistical categories. But neither will go down better as Michael.
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when its all said and done LeBron will go down as better than Kobe based on the fact he will have lead all his teams to titles, instead of Kobe being lead to 3 by Shaq. And LeBron will have passed Kobe in all important statistical categories. But neither will go down better as Michael.
lol So playin alongside two franchise players counts for nothin? Kobe has led teams to titles, in full seasons. But I'll let u write ur own version of history, welchey
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Chris Bosh is NOT a franchise player
jesus, you just can't get it through this guys head :D :grumpy: :eh:
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Chris Bosh is NOT a franchise player
jesus, you just can't get it through this guys head :D :grumpy: :eh:
he was a franchise player in toronto and a max money guy. basically, the third option on lebron's championship team (bosh) is equivalent to the 2nd option on kobe's (pau). thats why welchey's statement made no sense.
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Pau shits on Bosh. Always has and always will.
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Pau shits on Bosh. Always has and always will.
pau shits on bosh cuz kobe is a better teammate and knows how to get his players to go to war for him...but comparing memphis pau to toronto bosh, bosh was a 23-10 guy, pau a 19-8 guy. pau woulda crumbled a long time ago playing alongside lebron.
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LOL. Kobe a better teammate! Couldn't stick it out with Shaq because of being a shitty teammate, threatened to leave the Lakers if he didn't get help ASAP and now Dwight is high tailing it out of town to play with another superstar.
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This concerns both NIIK and Cham, since they've been arguing in circles for ages. You can't act this way: when discussing individual acomplishments "Kobe/Jordan/Lebron had shitty teammates, if not he'd achieve more". But when comparing other players on the same team you go "X is better than Y because Kobe/Jordan/Lebron made them better".
You just can't. One time your saying his team sucked, the other time you're saying how Kobe/Jordan/Lebron made them great. Which means, their team was great. Doesn't matter why or how, but by that logic the team was great.
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My argument for when they had shitty teammates is that they had equally shitty rosters and LeBron did way more more.
As for making someone better, I'm going to leave that alone. It's not even worth my words if this nigga really thinks Kobe is a good teammate, let alone making others better.
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LOL. Kobe a better teammate! Couldn't stick it out with Shaq because of being a shitty teammate, threatened to leave the Lakers if he didn't get help ASAP and now Dwight is high tailing it out of town to play with another superstar.
lol kobe probably the only dude in the world who was a top level talent and still was able to take a back-seat to shaq when he coulda been the first option on any other team. sacrificing to win=ultimate teammate....then shaq is the one who got butthurt and bolted when management started favoring kobe and wanted to run the offense through him when shaq started getting old.
then, kobe forces managements hand to build a contending team, because he's tired of playing prime years with kwame, smush, and luke starting...more winner shit.
then, he teams up with the ultimate loser and we all know what dwight is made of...u know first hand, cuz it's the same stuff that's in lebron. bitchassness.
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This concerns both NIIK and Cham, since they've been arguing in circles for ages. You can't act this way: when discussing individual acomplishments "Kobe/Jordan/Lebron had shitty teammates, if not he'd achieve more". But when comparing other players on the same team you go "X is better than Y because Kobe/Jordan/Lebron made them better".
You just can't. One time your saying his team sucked, the other time you're saying how Kobe/Jordan/Lebron made them great. Which means, their team was great. Doesn't matter why or how, but by that logic the team was great.
if ur gunna sit here and compare lebron's current cast to kwame, smush, luke, and co. then we not really gunna be able to have a legit discussion. those guys are impossible to make great, kobe got the most he could out of those guys. on the other hand, wade and bosh's potential is far from being maximized under lebron.
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My argument for when they had shitty teammates is that they had equally shitty rosters and LeBron did way more more.
As for making someone better, I'm going to leave that alone. It's not even worth my words if this nigga really thinks Kobe is a good teammate, let alone making others better.
fact of the matter is, it wasnt "equally shitty rosters"...cleveland was contending teams back in those days, with more than 1 all-star, and consistently a top defensive unit in the league. lakers were literally playing with d-league talent, not with mo williams, anderson varaejo, larry hughes, zydrunas ilgauskas, antawn jamison, and a buncha sharp shooters who could actually play team defense...the fact that u even compare those cleveland teams to the smush parker lakers just goes to show where ur knowledge stands.
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Good to see the OG's Nik and MDogg making peace offerings, but I have to disagree with you all on this Lebron hate.
Cham may be right in this argument. I don't think the Lebron criticism is justified. What I've noticed is that dude just knows when to turn it on and turn it off. It's not good for him to try to take over every second of every game. It would make him too tired, prevent his teammates from getting into the flow of games, and allow the defense to just key in on Lebron.
So what Lebron does is he incorporates his teammates generally, and then any time there is a threat of them losing the series he turns it on when he has to. I mean.. game 1 there was no serious threat, so he deffered to his teammates. But no way he was going to let the Heat go down 0-2, so he made damn sure they won Game 2. Same thing with Game 4, Lebron was very aggressive and powerful in Game 4.
For me it's Jordan #1, and then I'm still undecided on Kobe vs. Lebron for #2.
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Good to see the OG's Nik and MDogg making peace offerings, but I have to disagree with you all on this Lebron hate.
Cham may be right in this argument. I don't think the Lebron criticism is justified. What I've noticed is that dude just knows when to turn it on and turn it off. It's not good for him to try to take over every second of every game. It would make him too tired, prevent his teammates from getting into the flow of games, and allow the defense to just key in on Lebron.
So what Lebron does is he incorporates his teammates generally, and then any time there is a threat of them losing the series he turns it on when he has to. I mean.. game 1 there was no serious threat, so he deffered to his teammates. But no way he was going to let the Heat go down 0-2, so he made damn sure they won Game 2. Same thing with Game 4, Lebron was very aggressive and powerful in Game 4.
For me it's Jordan #1, and then I'm still undecided on Kobe vs. Lebron for #2.
lol u out ya damn mind....either that, or u havent been watchin the games. which is it?
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lol u out ya damn mind....either that, or u havent been watchin the games. which is it?
Yo... I didn't put him ahead of Kobe, and definitely not on Jordan's level. But it looks like the Heat will take this series, and they will be the favorites again next year. That's 3-peat territory, how can you not think of him on the level of Kobe at that point?
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lol u out ya damn mind....either that, or u havent been watchin the games. which is it?
Yo... I didn't put him ahead of Kobe, and definitely not on Jordan's level. But it looks like the Heat will take this series, and they will be the favorites again next year. That's 3-peat territory, how can you not think of him on the level of Kobe at that point?
because wade led the team in the last game, and in the 3 games before that, lebron underperformed. theres a reason he bolted to miami, and if u dont see that, then u gotta watch more, homie.
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Alright homie... I'm watchin this whole game beggining to end, and the rest of the series, I'm gonna see what's up
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Lmao. Son's making up his own versions of the game.
Brian, I see you my nigga. 8)
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Okay.. I peeped the whole game last night. And I still think the game didn't really matter. I mean.. the Heat only had to win 1 game in San Antonio, they did their job there even though it didn't look like it.
Now, game 6 and game 7 you can truly judge Lebron.
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Okay.. I peeped the whole game last night. And I still think the game didn't really matter. I mean.. the Heat only had to win 1 game in San Antonio, they did their job there even though it didn't look like it.
Now, game 6 and game 7 you can truly judge Lebron.
WHO WAS THE ALPHA MALE...WADE OR LEBRON?
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Things are not looking good on Team LeBron camp. I predicted the Heat to win, but this is what I feared, LeBron shrinking and the Heat are foiling. If there s one thing I know about the Spurs, when they get a team to 3 games, they will get the 4th. They have two chances to get a win in Miami, and they will do it. LeBron's legacy will match that of Dr. J, Wilt, The Big O. Those are great names, and that's were it looks like LeBron will end up. I don't see the Heat making the NBA Finals next year, and over the next few years the Heat might win one more if LeBron can't figure out how to win titles. It makes last year look more like the Thunder were just not ready, as oppose to LeBron figuring it out.
There is still more basketball to play, but this is what it looks like right now.
The Spurs are headed for a closeout game Tuesday night in Game 6 at Miami with much strong history in the past.
No team in the NBA has been as successful in road closeout games.
According to ESPN.com’s Stats & Information twitter feed, the Spurs are 14-2 in potential closeout games on the road since the 2002-03 season, an .875 winning percentage.
The rest of the league is 61-75 during that span for a .449 winning percentage.
Will confidence gleaned from the past help them against the defending NBA champions?
We’ll have to wait and see.
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Things are not looking good on Team LeBron camp. I predicted the Heat to win, but this is what I feared, LeBron shrinking and the Heat are foiling. If there s one thing I know about the Spurs, when they get a team to 3 games, they will get the 4th. They have two chances to get a win in Miami, and they will do it. LeBron's legacy will match that of Dr. J, Wilt, The Big O. Those are great names, and that's were it looks like LeBron will end up. I don't see the Heat making the NBA Finals next year, and over the next few years the Heat might win one more if LeBron can't figure out how to win titles. It makes last year look more like the Thunder were just not ready, as oppose to LeBron figuring it out.
There is still more basketball to play, but this is what it looks like right now.
The Spurs are headed for a closeout game Tuesday night in Game 6 at Miami with much strong history in the past.
No team in the NBA has been as successful in road closeout games.
According to ESPN.com’s Stats & Information twitter feed, the Spurs are 14-2 in potential closeout games on the road since the 2002-03 season, an .875 winning percentage.
The rest of the league is 61-75 during that span for a .449 winning percentage.
Will confidence gleaned from the past help them against the defending NBA champions?
We’ll have to wait and see.
REAL SPIT
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WHO WAS THE ALPHA MALE...WADE OR LEBRON?
In game 5 it was Wade. But like I said.. it didn't matter. The Heat only had to win one in San Antonio. So Lebron made sure they got their one win and they got out of there.
So that's why I say you can judge Lebron by what he does in game 6 and game 7. If he plays like that again in 6 and 7 when it really counts then certainly he is nowhere near the class of Jordan and Kobe.
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Heat will win games 6 and 7
relax NIK
and if they don't prepare for the onslaught of Tim Duncan praise :D
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The Heat won game 6 and 7. My fears were just that, fears. LeBron is slowly entering the conversation as an all-time great. For how long can this continue, who knows? But it will be interesting to see.
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LeBron is slowly entering the conversation as an all-time great.
LOL. What?
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LeBron is slowly entering the conversation as an all-time great.
LOL. What?
It's a slow build. He's in Dr. J, Elgin Baylor level right now. I'm talking Kobe, Magic, Michael, level.
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LeBron is slowly entering the conversation as an all-time great.
LOL. What?
It's a slow build. He's in Dr. J, Elgin Baylor level right now. I'm talking Kobe, Magic, Michael, level.
you know that when MJ was Lebron's age (28) people were questioning his first title because the Lakers lost Worthy in the middle of the series...and shouldn't have been there to begin with but they upset the Trailblazers that year. of course MJ won a title the next year over those Trailblazers and everything was fine, MJ still got shit.
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LeBron is slowly entering the conversation as an all-time great.
LOL. What?
It's a slow build. He's in Dr. J, Elgin Baylor level right now. I'm talking Kobe, Magic, Michael, level.
you know that when MJ was Lebron's age (28) people were questioning his first title because the Lakers lost Worthy in the middle of the series...and shouldn't have been there to begin with but they upset the Trailblazers that year. of course MJ won a title the next year over those Trailblazers and everything was fine, MJ still got shit.
Well, let's see not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6, not 7 happen first before we go better than Jordan. I am happy that some people are starting to recognize that Jordan was more brand than GOAT, at the same time, I just don't see LeBron as better than Jordan. I watched both, rooted against Jordan many times. I was the hater of Jordan NIK is of LeBron. To him, LeBron threatens Kobe's legacy, to me Michael threaten Magic's legacy. So I am not a Jordan fan by any stretch of the imagination. With that said, I think going off the eye test, Jordan was better. If LeBron can keep this up for 4 more titles, then I'd rethink that. But until then, I am putting LeBron with Dr. J, Baylor level.
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Pure madness. Now I know you're actually a Lakers fan.
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Pure madness. Now I know you're actually a Lakers fan.
So it's madness to want LeBron to win at least 6 titles before I even think about putting his name next to Jordan? Okay, I'll give it 5, if that ever happens. Then I'll think about it.
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It's madness that...
1. You says Kobe, Magic, Michael talking about rings and leave out Bill who's got as many as two of them combined.
2. One time talk strictly rings, then flip to the eye test...which should be more than enough to see LeBron right now, complete prime (maybe not even his absolute peak) is as talented if not more than anyone you named. Ya boy Magic sucks him off every chance he gets and that means nothing?
Best pitcher of all-time? Sandy Koufax will come up 80% of the time as the answer. His career was cut short and really only dominated for four seasons, but those are the ones people look back to and come up with him as the answer; despite no longevity. You're going to tell me these last two seasons haven't been on par with the best from MJ, Kobe or Magic?
MJ beats Kobe in the eye test, right? So if MJ only had four rings, he'd still be better right? Don't tell me if he missed that shot in Utah your opinion would dramatically change. So I don't even see how rings play a factor. ESPECIALLY when you're saying yourself that the Heat will only lose next year because every single piece BESIDES LeBron is deteriorating. That's not his fault, but because of that he's not as good of a player? It's not his fault the East around him is getting better. Coming from the guy who stressed to NIK it was a team game shouldn't hold it against an individual that his team is getting old.
All I'm saying is that I'll take this year LeBron currently had and put it heads up against any individual Kobe season in his career
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It's madness that...
1. You says Kobe, Magic, Michael talking about rings and leave out Bill who's got as many as two of them combined.
2. One time talk strictly rings, then flip to the eye test...which should be more than enough to see LeBron right now, complete prime (maybe not even his absolute peak) is as talented if not more than anyone you named. Ya boy Magic sucks him off every chance he gets and that means nothing?
Best pitcher of all-time? Sandy Koufax will come up 80% of the time as the answer. His career was cut short and really only dominated for four seasons, but those are the ones people look back to and come up with him as the answer; despite no longevity. You're going to tell me these last two seasons haven't been on par with the best from MJ, Kobe or Magic?
MJ beats Kobe in the eye test, right? So if MJ only had four rings, he'd still be better right? Don't tell me if he missed that shot in Utah your opinion would dramatically change. So I don't even see how rings play a factor. ESPECIALLY when you're saying yourself that the Heat will only lose next year because every single piece BESIDES LeBron is deteriorating. That's not his fault, but because of that he's not as good of a player? It's not his fault the East around him is getting better. Coming from the guy who stressed to NIK it was a team game shouldn't hold it against an individual that his team is getting old.
All I'm saying is that I'll take this year LeBron currently had and put it heads up against any individual Kobe season in his career
lmao....2006 kobe with this supporting cast woulda swept the spurs in a 7 game series and every game woulda been a blowout. calm down, biebs. lebron had just as many terrible games in these finals as good ones, if not more. if it wasnt for the ray allen three off of lebron's miss, the entire fickle sports nation would be singing a completely different tune bout lebron. did the spurs even double team lebron once in this entire series? forget what magic says, he rides everyones dick when theyre winning, he's the ultimate company yes-man and even called wade the 2nd best player in the world lmao...like i said, credit where credit is due, lebron is the champ, but he has a ways to go before he reaches kobe-mj-magic territory. when u watch the games, it's quite easy to see why he wanted to team up with another franchise player. he's like the opposite of kobe...kobe started his career playin with a franchise player and then they split. lebron starts his career with no franchise player and then goes running to one. only difference is that kobe won titles in both scenarios. lebron has a ways to go.
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lmao....2006 kobe with this supporting cast woulda swept the spurs in a 7 game series and every game woulda been a blowout. calm down, biebs. lebron had just as many terrible games in these finals as good ones, if not more. if it wasnt for the ray allen three off of lebron's miss, the entire fickle sports nation would be singing a completely different tune bout lebron. did the spurs even double team lebron once in this entire series? forget what magic says, he rides everyones dick when theyre winning, he's the ultimate company yes-man and even called wade the 2nd best player in the world lmao...like i said, credit where credit is due, lebron is the champ, but he has a ways to go before he reaches kobe-mj-magic territory. when u watch the games, it's quite easy to see why he wanted to team up with another franchise player. he's like the opposite of kobe...kobe started his career playin with a franchise player and then they split. lebron starts his career with no franchise player and then goes running to one. only difference is that kobe won titles in both scenarios. lebron has a ways to go.
Again. You can't play the what if game, because you can play it for every fucking game in the history of sports. What if Perkins had played game 7 of 2010 finals? Pointless.
So Kobe didn't team up with Pau to get that title? And when they had a bad season, he didn't team up with Howard and Nash?
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lmao....2006 kobe with this supporting cast woulda swept the spurs in a 7 game series and every game woulda been a blowout. calm down, biebs. lebron had just as many terrible games in these finals as good ones, if not more. if it wasnt for the ray allen three off of lebron's miss, the entire fickle sports nation would be singing a completely different tune bout lebron. did the spurs even double team lebron once in this entire series? forget what magic says, he rides everyones dick when theyre winning, he's the ultimate company yes-man and even called wade the 2nd best player in the world lmao...like i said, credit where credit is due, lebron is the champ, but he has a ways to go before he reaches kobe-mj-magic territory. when u watch the games, it's quite easy to see why he wanted to team up with another franchise player. he's like the opposite of kobe...kobe started his career playin with a franchise player and then they split. lebron starts his career with no franchise player and then goes running to one. only difference is that kobe won titles in both scenarios. lebron has a ways to go.
Again. You can't play the what if game, because you can play it for every fucking game in the history of sports. What if Perkins had played game 7 of 2010 finals? Pointless.
So Kobe didn't team up with Pau to get that title? And when they had a bad season, he didn't team up with Howard and Nash?
of course kobe teamed up with pau, but not in the same fashion that lebron ran to team up with wade, and you already know this mayn......lol. and to compare pau to wade is a joke...wade is a top 5 shooting guard all-time, finals mvp, and franchise player....pau is a nice complimentary piece to a franchise player. stop with the dumb comparisons cud
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Lebron has actually been pretty damn good in elimination games...31-10-6...45% shooting.
Kobe has been in way more elimination games...wonder what he averages?
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thats fine and all, but lets not act as if his big elimination game didnt come because he was being guarded like ronnie brewer after having so many terrible games.
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thats fine and all, but lets not act as if his big elimination game didnt come because he was being guarded like ronnie brewer after having so many terrible games.
Care to know how Kobe has fared in his 19 elimination games? :P
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thats fine and all, but lets not act as if his big elimination game didnt come because he was being guarded like ronnie brewer after having so many terrible games.
Care to know how Kobe has fared in his 19 elimination games? :P
a good portion of those games were in his development stages '96-'00 and blowouts from luke-kwame-smush era where kobe was forced to carry the entire team..... it's like saying "why was lebrons rookie season so much more impressive than kobe's?"...not really the best of arguments, but i understand it's all you have.
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thats fine and all, but lets not act as if his big elimination game didnt come because he was being guarded like ronnie brewer after having so many terrible games.
Care to know how Kobe has fared in his 19 elimination games? :P
a good portion of those games were in his development stages '96-'00 and blowouts from luke-kwame-smush era where kobe was forced to carry the entire team..... it's like saying "why was lebrons rookie season so much more impressive than kobe's?"...not really the best of arguments, but i understand it's all you have.
I understand you are now posting at the Coli trying to:
A) Promote your wack ass music
And
B) Post somewhere where not everyone knows you are lame...but I see they are figuring it out quickly nevertheless
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Lol, this is the only place between talk radio, TV and the Internet where there is even a Bron/Kobe debate. The world has jumped over Kobe and gone straight to MJ.
LeBron in the last two seasons is better than Kobe at any point in his career.
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Lol, this is the only place between talk radio, TV and the Internet where there is even a Bron/Kobe debate. The world has jumped over Kobe and gone straight to MJ.
LeBron in the last two seasons is better than Kobe at any point in his career.
LOL... of course, that's the way it's always been. When MJ because seen as the best, he had only won 2 titles and people made it seem like Magic, Bird, Dr. J, Russell, Kareem and Wilt never existed. When Kobe was seen as the new Jordan, people made it seem like only him and Jordan exist. Right now, LeBron is getting the Jordan hype by ESPN, and now I've even heard ESPN admit that Jordan was just more branding than greatness. Talk Radio and everything else is all in for making money. That's the way it's always been. Since that faithful night in a Colorado room, Kobe's been vilified, and ESPN and talk radio put names like Vince Carter, Tracy McGrady and Steve Nash over Kobe. Now that seems like crazy talk, but at the time that's what was said. Kobe had two strikes from the fans, the Colorado case and then chasing Shaq out of Los Angeles. Those were twice as bad as the taking talents to South Beach.
In reality though, I will wait until LeBron adds more to his legacy before I put him up there with Kobe, Russell, MJ, Magic. He has a chance, but as I've said, I don't think the Heat will hold up. Not winning 3 in a row would hurt LeBron, and had the Heat lost in game 6, we are talking about LeBron as a choker. So it's all relative and everyone is caught up in the end of that season. But the true measure of this title is the next one. Just like LeBron had to win this one to prove last year was not a fluke.
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Lol, this is the only place between talk radio, TV and the Internet where there is even a Bron/Kobe debate. The world has jumped over Kobe and gone straight to MJ.
LeBron in the last two seasons is better than Kobe at any point in his career.
lmao...are we really gunna pretend that he wasn't garbage for 4 outta 7 games? lord have mercy.........so a guy who was being dared to take the open jumpshot is now comparable to kobe and jordan? is this really what we've come to??
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thats fine and all, but lets not act as if his big elimination game didnt come because he was being guarded like ronnie brewer after having so many terrible games.
Care to know how Kobe has fared in his 19 elimination games? :P
a good portion of those games were in his development stages '96-'00 and blowouts from luke-kwame-smush era where kobe was forced to carry the entire team..... it's like saying "why was lebrons rookie season so much more impressive than kobe's?"...not really the best of arguments, but i understand it's all you have.
I understand you are now posting at the Coli trying to:
A) Promote your wack ass music
And
B) Post somewhere where not everyone knows you are lame...but I see they are figuring it out quickly nevertheless
damn, bro...u really are the ultimate nutrider, u know that? not only did u fail to address any of my points but are now stalking me over at other forums where i promote my music and callin it whack outa anger... lmao.
the coli is split 50/50 between kobe and lebron loyalists... hop off with that cocksuckin shiet
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thats fine and all, but lets not act as if his big elimination game didnt come because he was being guarded like ronnie brewer after having so many terrible games.
Care to know how Kobe has fared in his 19 elimination games? :P
a good portion of those games were in his development stages '96-'00 and blowouts from luke-kwame-smush era where kobe was forced to carry the entire team..... it's like saying "why was lebrons rookie season so much more impressive than kobe's?"...not really the best of arguments, but i understand it's all you have.
I understand you are now posting at the Coli trying to:
A) Promote your wack ass music
And
B) Post somewhere where not everyone knows you are lame...but I see they are figuring it out quickly nevertheless
damn, bro...u really are the ultimate nutrider, u know that? not only did u fail to address any of my points but are now stalking me over at other forums where i promote my music and callin it whack outa anger... lmao.
the coli is split 50/50 between kobe and lebron loyalists... hop off with that cocksuckin shiet
You've been making the same arguments for years, and I honestly don't see the point in trying to change your opinions man. You love Kobe, you feel he can do no wrong, and you are insecure about his legacy. So while you know ball, you say irrational things. It's tired man.
As for this Kobe and Lebron thing, Lebron has just had a better two year run than Kobe has ever had, but all time I still think Kobe takes it.
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thats fine and all, but lets not act as if his big elimination game didnt come because he was being guarded like ronnie brewer after having so many terrible games.
Care to know how Kobe has fared in his 19 elimination games? :P
a good portion of those games were in his development stages '96-'00 and blowouts from luke-kwame-smush era where kobe was forced to carry the entire team..... it's like saying "why was lebrons rookie season so much more impressive than kobe's?"...not really the best of arguments, but i understand it's all you have.
I understand you are now posting at the Coli trying to:
A) Promote your wack ass music
And
B) Post somewhere where not everyone knows you are lame...but I see they are figuring it out quickly nevertheless
damn, bro...u really are the ultimate nutrider, u know that? not only did u fail to address any of my points but are now stalking me over at other forums where i promote my music and callin it whack outa anger... lmao.
the coli is split 50/50 between kobe and lebron loyalists... hop off with that cocksuckin shiet
You've been making the same arguments for years, and I honestly don't see the point in trying to change your opinions man. You love Kobe, you feel he can do no wrong, and you are insecure about his legacy. So while you know ball, you say irrational things. It's tired man.
As for this Kobe and Lebron thing, Lebron has just had a better two year run than Kobe has ever had, but all time I still think Kobe takes it.
LMAO...BEING INSECURE ABOUT KOBE'S LEGACY IS LIKE BEING INSECURE WITH YOUR FINANCES AFTER WINNING THE LOTTERY. CAN U SAY ANYTHING DUMBER? FOREAL.
ONCE AGAIN, HE CANT HAVE A "BETTER 2 YEAR RUN" WHEN HE'S DARED TO TAKE JUMPSHOTS LIKE HE'S RONDO AND SCORES UNDER 20 FOR 3 STRAIGHT FINALS GAMES....IF KOBE WAS GUARDED THE WAY LEBRON WAS GUARDED IN THESE FINALS, HE'D HAVE 50 POINTS EVERY GAME WITH EASE. THATS ALL THERE IS TO IT. PRIME KOBE IS SIMPLY WAY BETTER AND IT'S NOT EVEN CLOSE.
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NIK please point me to the better two season run Kobe has had. I'm talking achievements and results, not your opinions.
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NIK please point me to the better two season run Kobe has had. I'm talking achievements and results, not your opinions.
Kobes best season 35.4 ppg shits on any season LeBron has had... Individually
Achievementwise, Kobe's 09-10 championship run was way more impressive. Not only did he win with Pau as a 2nd option, but he played in the west and faced 50+ win teams throughout the playoffs. Something LeBron didn't face until he finally faced the spurs in the westLOL.
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Lol, this is the only place between talk radio, TV and the Internet where there is even a Bron/Kobe debate. The world has jumped over Kobe and gone straight to MJ.
LeBron in the last two seasons is better than Kobe at any point in his career.
lmao...are we really gunna pretend that he wasn't garbage for 4 outta 7 games? lord have mercy.........so a guy who was being dared to take the open jumpshot is now comparable to kobe and jordan? is this really what we've come to??
That's a pretty retarded logic. "Kobe has a better jumpshot...how is this even debatable?"...LeBron does everything for his team, Kobe just scores and plays pretty good defense. Bron is the top rebounder and somehow is guarding point guards from mid court. Bron is the top assist guy and scores the most points on the floor. The three peat Lakers would've still won all three with a 2005-2006, rising Carmelo Anthony.
And what are you talking about? Game one...triple double. Great game. Game two...17,8,7, 3 steals, 3 blocks in a twenty point win. Great game.
Game three was bad. Game four...33, 11 and 4. Great game. Game five...25, 6 and 8. If Kobe came out next year and averaged 25, 6 and 8 you and ESPN would be deepthroating him...somehow a "mediocre game" from Bron. Game six...32, 10 and 11. Hall of fame numbers. And Game seven was just flat out legendary.
So I'll give you game three and game five (and really only game five because they lost). So he played five (really six though because 25, 6 and 8 is pretty awesome) incredible games...plus everything he's already done in previous rounds to get them here and two sub-par games.
Take LeBron off this team were talking arguably the worst roster to ever win title.
Again, LeBron the past two years is better than Kobe at any point in his career and this Game 7 was arguably the best performance of all-time to the point I'm honestly surprised you didn't just abandon this forum.
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lmao...are we really gunna pretend that he wasn't garbage for 4 outta 7 games? lord have mercy.........so a guy who was being dared to take the open jumpshot is now comparable to kobe and jordan? is this really what we've come to
The three peat Lakers would've still won all three with a 2005-2006, rising Carmelo Anthony.
lmao... U are so ignorant when it comes to basketball, it's not even funny
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Says the guy still trying to belittle LeBron after that game seven.
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Says the guy still trying to belittle LeBron after that game seven.
no ones tryna belittle him, ur just tryna exaggerate his greatness, acting like every game wasnt a mystery about whether he'd show up or not and like he wasn't garbage for a majority of the series, in turn being guarded with a 5 foot cushion LOL. if ur gunna pretend like all that didnt happen, then ima remind u.
u just called his first 2 games where he was held to 10 points under his average "great games" lmao...and thats after sayin lakers coulda threepeated with melo instead of kobe. slap yaself. hard.
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Hey Cham and NIK, you guys are so fucking similar that it's comical how much you hate each other. You guys do the exact same shit...If anything, you guys must be exhausted from presenting the same fuxking argument time and time again, always embellishing your dude, while unfairly belittling the other guy.
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In the triangle Melo would fill the same exact roll as Kobe. You'd have to be a moron to not see that.
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In the triangle Melo would fill the same exact roll as Kobe. You'd have to be a moron to not see that.
are u retarded or something? seriously?? do u realize how much better kobe is than melo on defense and how vital kobe's all-nba d was to those championship runs? let alone the fact that he's a much better playmaker, got better handles, dribbles, athleticism, stroke...pretty much better at everything. i think ur too young to understand how vital kobe was to those threepeat teams, even at age 21
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The only vital thing on those three peat teams was Stern having the refs blow the whistle when he wanted them too.
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lol thats what happens when u have no rational debates...
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I'm not being rational? You're acting like Melo at his best offensively isn't in the same class as Kobe.
You're also acting like it wasn't the most dominating big man of all-time LEADING those teams to their rings with the HELP of Kobe.
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I'm not being rational? You're acting like Melo at his best offensively isn't in the same class as Kobe.
You're also acting like it wasn't the most dominating big man of all-time LEADING those teams to their rings with the HELP of Kobe.
kobe bryant has averaged 30 ppg playing alongside shaq.....melo has never averaged 30 ppg in his entire career. do u really not know how retarded u sound?
and look at the stats i just posted. neck-n-neck...kobe and shaq were both leaders on the threepeat lakers. shaq only had more seniority, but kobe was too good to be a robin.
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Shaq wasn't winning any rings without Kobe. Kobe was the best 2 guard in the game at that time.