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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Connection => Topic started by: The Predator on August 03, 2023, 11:15:33 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fewGfeaX8U0
Em's disses -
Eminem’s response to The Game
“And that is the only retort, is I’m not played in the clubs (What?) / Motherf–ker, put a cork in it / Only reason they still play your s–t in the club (Why?) / Is ’cause you still perform in ’em (Ha-ha).”
Eminem is talking about the claim that The Game made when he wanted to spark “beef” with Eminem. To quote what The Game said on the Matt & Stak’s SHOWTIME Basketball podcast: “When have you ever heard an Eminem song playing in the club?” Eminem reacts to this by implying that the only reasons that The Games music is played in clubs is because he performs in them, by clubs Eminem also means small venues because The Game is still a “small” artist therefore he can’t sell out big stadium arenas like Em.
Eminem’s response to Lord Jamar
“I am the guest in this house but I turn this b–ch to a mansion (What? Yeah) / That’s an expansion, made it / gargantuan (Huh, what?) / England, Germany, France and Japan’s in this b–ch (Huh, yeah) / Even Dubai, because my music, they do buy (What?).”
A response to Lord Jamar who said in an interview with Dj Vlad that Eminem is just a guest in hip hop. Em follows up “That’s an expansion, made it gargantuan” with a list of countries that a have a notable history of expansion/colonialism. But Eminem is also referring to the fact that he is an international artist with heavy acclaim and influence across the world. Also, pay attention to the homonym (Dubai – do buy).
Eminem’s response to Gen Z
“Gen Z is actin’ like rap experts, zip up your gaps and close your mouths (Yeah) / B–ch, you ain’t been on this planet long enough to tell me how rap’s supposed to sound (Nah) / Y’all need to stick to what you do best (What?), shootin’ schools up, gat’, go load up rounds / In your parents’ gats and go to class and let off with the strap and go to town (Uh-huh).”
In recent years, the new generation called Gen Z have tried to cancel Eminem for his homophobic and misogynistic lyrics many times, especially on TikTok when a user posted a clip that called for Em’s cancellation thanks to a violent lyric in his 2010 Rihanna collaboration ‘Love the Way You Lie’ (“If she ever tries to f–king leave again/ I’ma tie her/ To the bed and set this house on fire“).
The debate is ostensibly pitted Millennials against Gen Z, with the former group of older Eminem fans largely came to the rapper’s defense saying that the younger generation is decades late to being offended by an artist known for controversial statements.
Eminem’s response to Melle Mel
“Shout to the Furious Five and Grandmaster Flash, but, boy (Whaddup, though?) / This someone who really is furious, stay out his path, his wrath, avoid / And I’ll be the last to toy with, this juice-head, his brain is like half destroyed / Like a meteor hit it / Well, there went Melle Mel, we lost his a– to ‘roids (Damn).”
During an interview with The Art Of Dialogue, Melle Mel said: “Obviously, Eminem’s a capable rapper. If we talk about sales and he sold more than everybody, okay, if we talk about rhyme style, okay, he got a rhyme style. But he is white! He is white! If Eminem was just another ni–a like the rest of us, would he be top 5 on that list when a ni–a can rhyme just as good as him is 35?! They had records and all that.”
Physically, Melle Mel is in good shape and goes to a gym a lot. Eminem implies that too much steroids negatively affected to his brain for making such statements.
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do we consider EZ Mil as a west coast rapper?
when it comes to melle mel diss, i am happy that Em responded to his bulshit!!! ass to roids??? damn! what a fine example of anology.
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do we consider EZ Mil as a west coast rapper?
EZ is based/lives in Las Vegas.
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Lyrics -
''Intro
If I was in the Philippines, he'll be like my muhfuckin' Malcolm X to my Martin Luther King
Because he ain't a fightin' to go unnoticed
There's no way I was gonna cross 'em off like he's just some any rapper, like a one-hit wonder (Yeah)
[Verse 1: Ez Mil]
I'm on whatever you on, I ain't gon' talk on the phone (Haha)
Keep that same energy fuckin' with enemies
It's gettin' temptin' to run in your home (Who did that?)
Huh, buddy, I do it alone, Cudi said word to my homes
Don't just go hit 'em 'cause I gotta drive
You focus on aimin' that blick at his dome, no cap
You motherfuckers be lucky as fuck that ain't nobody envious of you enough
Take it from me like a brother who dug off the mud on his head but done ended up cuffed
Then he just gets back, backed out again into a world where you double what he did
'Cause you learn, you give it up, or get fucked in turn, homie
[Chorus: Ez Mil]
I'm the realest in the business and everybody gon' be envious of my beginnings
Got a circus for the sinners with bodies, so stop tryna be another addition
'Cause I'm the realest in the business and everybody gon' be envious of my beginnings
Got a circus for the sinners with bodies, so stop tryna be another addition
[Verse 2: Ez Mil]
I done got hit on the head, barely survived that shit (Okay)
Minus a nine from ten, Eminem's spot still sits
But fuck a position, I'm tunin' him in
Let all you rock out with it, I ain't ever gonna be an opt-out mission
Get the Glock out with it, get to poppin', dip out and smoke
With the homies we mobbin', while I'm cleanin' the stash of my calibers
Some of them might got ya' name on 'em
Wanna brag about shit that could happen
I am the reason that they got a chain on 'em
When I rap, they consider me a Gatling
Fillin' up mags, I'm finna go clapping
Get in that bag with a gold B rabbit, I know they hate this flow
I'm in the mode to get to killin' again with the best stick in your dome
You're never gettin' a penny or less, stealin' the flows
And I'ma spread it again as a test, sick of these hoes
They get to bitchin', the bigger the breasts, nevertheless
I'ma get it, enter with that trigger, never better
Instead of settin' the bet up, I let up with the Beretta
Make it, "Duka-duka-doo," on you bitches in front of PETA
'Cause I'm kinda gettin' fed up of leavin' y'all wet up like
[Chorus: Ez Mil]
I'm the realest in the business and everybody gon' be envious of my beginnings
Got a circus for the sinners with bodies, so stop tryna be another addition
'Cause I'm the realest in the business and everybody gon' be envious of my beginnings
Got a circus for the sinners with bodies, so stop tryna be another addition
[Verse 3: Eminem]
Guess I've really no right to complain much (Nah)
Hip-hop has been good to me, huh? (Well)
But when they say that I'm only top five
'Cause I'm white, why would I be stunned? (Huh)
My skin color still workin' against me (What?)
'Cause second I should be to none (Ha)
Being white ain't why they put me at five (Nope)
It's why they can't put me at one (Woo)
They come in with more venom
So the haters, I'm aimin' it toward them (Brr)
And all the envious rappers, I torch if I'm on a joint with 'em (Yeah)
And that is the only retort, is I'm not played in the clubs (What?)
Motherfucker, put a cork in it
Only reason they still play your shit in the club (Why?)
Is 'cause you still perform in 'em (Ha-ha)
I am the guest in this house but I turn this bitch to a mansion (What? Yeah)
That's an expansion, made it gargantuan (Huh, what?)
England, Germany, France and Japan's in this bitch (Huh, yeah)
Even Dubai, because my music, they do buy (What?)
You died tryin' the scientist
Two psychiatrists could not unscrew my head off
The blue-eyed devil, I never quit, do I? (Nah)
Nah, 'cause you know you'd get washed like a bar of soap (Yeah)
You pussy, you wouldn't give a cigar to smoke (Ha-ha)
And I know that it eats at your heart like an artichoke (Yeah)
Because you know that's how likely you are to choke (Yeah)
Your heart is broke as I rip you apart
I go bananas, proceed to spit every bar, bro (Damn)
I was speaking before my mother's water broke
It's not even close, you bitch, I'm by far the G.O.A.T
Gen Z is actin' like rap experts, zip up your gaps and close your mouths (Yeah)
Bitch, you ain't been on this planet long enough to tell me how rap's supposed to sound (Nah)
Y'all need to stick to what you do best (What?), shootin' schools up, gat', go load up rounds
In your parents' gats and go to class and let off with the strap and go to town (Uh-huh)
Shout to the Furious Five and Grandmaster Flash, but, boy (Whaddup, though?)
This someone who really is furious, stay out his path, his wrath, avoid
And I'll be the last to toy with, this juice-head, his brain is like half destroyed
Like a meteor hit it
Well, there went Melle Mel, we lost his ass to 'roids (Damn)
And God was like, "I got 'em, but I'm gonna start 'em at the bottom of the barrel
Brought him in the world where the mother was on valium him and his father was a coward
Taught him as a child when the fuckin' body was around
Had to get himself up and out of poverty, and now
Not even a growl in his stomach, gotta be a hound"
'Til they put your body in the ground, prolly gonna sound like a cliche
But when haters try to beat you down, say "Fuck 'em"
[Chorus: Ez Mil]
'Cause I'm the realest in the business and everybody gon' be envious of my beginnings
Got a circus for the sinners with bodies, so stop tryna be another addition
'Cause I'm the realest in the business and everybody gon' be envious of my beginnings
Got a circus for the sinners with bodies, so stop tryna be another addition
[Outro: Eminem]
I'm just playin' Gen Z
You know I love you''
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Fire. Arguably some subs there for Game.
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big bass probably mastered this in 1 shot
a bit bright on the vocals
ez mill sounds more like your average soundcloud rapper on this one
eminem doin his hippity hop shit lol
i expected better
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Scit we usually see eye to eye but respectfully disagree on both of them on this track ! Em destroyed this . Only those last couple bars on the fast shit
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So Eminem considers himself the GOAT now? You know there is a bit of truth to Melle Mel's point that if Em was black he wouldn't have made it as big.
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I do think Em's verse raises some valid questions, like why is he complaining about not being considered the GOAT? I thought he considered LL Cool J the GOAT? This is beneath him. Stay above the fray. Why are you so concerned about what people beneath you think of you? This is similar to Kevin Durant's preoccupation with what people on Twitter are saying about him. Why are you wasting your mental energy on this?
Then there's this part:
Y'all need to stick to what you do best (What?), shootin' schools up, gat', go load up rounds
In your parents' gats and go to class and let off with the strap and go to town (Uh-huh)
Em used to represent for the trench coat crowd on songs like Fight Music, whereas now he's making fun of them. That's a sign he's losing touch and becoming elite, which is a bad thing for any artist.
To be clear, I don't think he'd be just another rapper if he weren't white, because that's a silly thing to say. If he were black, he fundamentally would be a different person, with different world views, life experiences, things that makes him who he is -- all of us are the product of our unique set of variables given to us via genetics and life experiences. To switch Em to black would be to make him a completely different person. It's basically the butterfly effect. Look it up if you don't know what this is. You can't just switch a person's skin color, because everything else about them would change along with it.
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Scit we usually see eye to eye but respectfully disagree on both of them on this track ! Em destroyed this . Only those last couple bars on the fast shit
i didn’t say it was bad
but pretty much on line wit kamikaze style em
technically sound just less soul than his prime days
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Lol, those comments on Eminem's verse look like they were written by some kids... :D
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Ems verse was straight fire. Comments like: "eminem doin his hippity hop shit" or "sound just less soul than his prime days" are nonsense
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Maybe hé means game still perfroms at stripclubs, Doja was hes name i think.
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Ems verse was straight fire. Comments like: "eminem doin his hippity hop shit" or "sound just less soul than his prime days" are nonsense
u musta not been around for sslp-eminem show era em
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Eminem sucks. Too dry. Take some shrooms and lighten up
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Eminem sucks. Too dry. Take some shrooms and lighten up
yeah homie.. one thing about you is you always had good taste in music. I think you and I lost interest in Em's music around the same time. I thought he had a great comeback when he dropped MMLP2 and "Guts Over Fear" I still argue is one of his top 5 songs it's nearly like another "Lose Yourself".
Then he had some stuff like "Catipillar" and "Not Alike" he would come with the occasional dope track but those songs were mostly like lyrical masterpieces more than they were great songs like "Stan" was a great song he wasn't just trying to show off how fuccin fast he can rap and how many rhymes, homonyms, and double entendre he can fit inside a single bar.
And then he used to be kind of like a voice his fans, sort of like spittin the shit we were feeling on a larger level the Pac did and those days are long gone. He's like some elitist, globalist, tellin people to wear their mask when I heard that shit in 2020 I was done
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yeah homie.. one thing about you is you always had good taste in music. I think you and I lost interest in Em's music around the same time. I thought he had a great comeback when he dropped MMLP2 and "Guts Over Fear" I still argue is one of his top 5 songs it's nearly like another "Lose Yourself".
Then he had some stuff like "Catipillar" and "Not Alike" he would come with the occasional dope track but those songs were mostly like lyrical masterpieces more than they were great songs like "Stan" was a great song he wasn't just trying to show off how fuccin fast he can rap and how many rhymes, homonyms, and double entendre he can fit inside a single bar.
And then he used to be kind of like a voice his fans, sort of like spittin the shit we were feeling on a larger level the Pac did and those days are long gone. He's like some elitist, globalist, tellin people to wear their mask when I heard that shit in 2020 I was done
Music To Be Murdered By is one of his best music. You cant underrate him because he doesnt believe the earth is flat or smth like that :D
This is a diss track and actually i didnt like the song at all, but check the rhyme shemes, homophonies and word play in Em's verse, he is still at it.
and we cant compare it with his first 3 album run. Em is 50 years old now and he doesnt even need to release one more song, he is already a legend but he still does. just appriciate and wait for his next album.
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Em kills it. And that bass is :o 8)
Prodution Credits:
Label: FFP Records, Shady - Aftermath - Interscope Records
Composer: Luis Resto
Production
Marshall Mathers, ComposerLyricist
Luis Resto, Additional Keyboards, AssociatedPerformer, ComposerLyricist
Eminem, Producer, Additional Producer, MainArtist
Ez Mil, MainArtist
Mixing/mastering
Mike Strange, Mixer, StudioPersonnel
Brian "Big Bass" Gardner, Mastering Engineer, StudioPersonnel
Ezekiel "Slashmouth" Miller, Producer, Mixer, StudioPersonnel, ComposerLyricist
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Music To Be Murdered By is one of his best music. You cant underrate him because he doesnt believe the earth is flat or smth like that :D
This is a diss track and actually i didnt like the song at all, but check the rhyme shemes, homophonies and word play in Em's verse, he is still at it.
and we cant compare it with his first 3 album run. Em is 50 years old now and he doesnt even need to release one more song, he is already a legend but he still does. just appriciate and wait for his next album.
Em had already done it all and gone full circle by the time Proof died, and Dre’s done it all like 3 times over. I think it was important for Dre to have success at Aftermath after Death Row but you could even argue NWA was enough. So you are right in that sense.
I just miss the days when like you’d put on a new Em track and it was cathartic and therapeutic because he would be spittin all the shit that had been bumbling under the surface like Jimmy Iovine said back in Em’s prime that Em had his pulse on the needle of where music was headed the way Kurt Cobain did and few have done.
That track on his Revival album where he was like “Do You Still Believe In me” (didn’t I do everything I could…) that was the last time I really felt he was speaking to me on a track.
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In my opinion you can't compare eras. SSLP and MMLP has different feeling bcs he was different person at the time. Maybe it felt more "soulfull" bcs it brings memories of those times. Hes more mature now, but his rapping skills are better now. He has a complete, package from storytelling to technical aspects. So i can still feel his music and even has goosebumps from tracks like darkness.
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In my opinion you can't compare eras. SSLP and MMLP has different feeling bcs he was different person at the time. Maybe it felt more "soulfull" bcs it brings memories of those times. Hes more mature now, but his rapping skills are better now. He has a complete, package from storytelling to technical aspects. So i can still feel his music and even has goosebumps from tracks like darkness.
from a technical aspect, sure
but there is no feeling behind his raps
it has nothin to do wit nostalgia, if MMLP dropped today it would blow the game away just like it did when it dropped
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from a technical aspect, sure
but there is no feeling behind his raps
it has nothin to do wit nostalgia, if MMLP dropped today it would blow the game away just like it did when it dropped
Agreed.
And I’m a really nostalgic type of guy it’s pretty much my hobby like going and visiting old places and people and listening to old music to conjure up old feelings—but I’ve never done that with Eminem. His music doesn’t have that quality at all with me.
It’s not like throwing on Warren G’s first album and suddenly I’m back in 94’ and a kid again. Now, I can throw on 50’s Get Rich or Die Trying and suddenly transport back to 2002-and the last great run of the hiphop baggy jeans era and all that… but never Em for some reason I never listen to his stuff anymore even for old times sake. Maybe it has something to do with the shock value that his music is meant to hit you new
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Ez Mil Recalls First Time Meeting Eminem and Dr. Dre
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Shady Records debutant Ez Mil says he nearly fainted seeing Eminem for the first time, but Em’s jokes helped relieve the tension.
Ez Mil gave an interview to Manila radio station RX931 and told how nervous he was arriving to a secret meeting with Eminem and Dr. Dre and how they liked his beat from the first play:
We was all mind our own business. “The “DU4LI7Y” event in itself is just us. Then suddenly we got hit with this message, like, “Yo, this is gonna be a secret meetinng”. We were like, what?! I had already made the beat for “Realest” by myself. It had the first verse, I think, and a hook, a little bit. It was even before we knew it was THEM, that it was Em and Dre. And when I was hit with the info that we would be meeting Em and Dre. I was pacing the house, I was trying to contain myself. Even the keeping a secret is tough. We went to LA. Meeting them, that was a whole trip. Even going through the lobby. Because Dre was sitting rigth there, in the lobby. And Em was inside the studio, I was peeking through the door. My brother and my mum, we all went in. Then Dre stood up with his huge self and he was like, “Hey, superstar”. What the hell are you talking about?!I shook his hand. And when I saw Em I almost fainted. Thank god I stood up and kept it firm.He stood up and sai, “Ezekiel! Where’ve you been for the last 20 years? All right, you were four”. Then they talked about how they really messed with “Up Down”, they heard it. They said that Em was just going through the wormhole, and then they said it was Paul [Rosenberg, who showed him a song].
Like I said, I had already made the beat and some vocals. Right there at the studio I played it for them. Dre was bobbing and right after the beat was playing he was like, “Yyp, Marshall’s gonna eat that up”. And then Em was at the back [rises a hand], “Yep, give it to me”.
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A big change is Em's music nowadays is that his raps aren't funny anymore and he takes himself way too seriously.
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Mariah, Machine Gun Kelly and now Melle Mell...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHPkqVlVgLI
Get ready to witness sparks fly in the hip-hop universe! Join Melle Mel as he fires back at Eminem's fiery diss, ignited by the explosive 'Realest' collaboration with EZ Mil. In this unfiltered video, Mele Mel dives deep into the drama, giving you an informal yet intense glimpse into his response. Plus, get an exclusive scoop: the beats from this record will be featured on Melle Mel's upcoming album 'The War,' including his new track 'Shooter.' Don't miss this electrifying showdown, exclusively on Mele Mel's Hip Hop Corner.
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from a technical aspect, sure
but there is no feeling behind his raps
it has nothin to do wit nostalgia, if MMLP dropped today it would blow the game away just like it did when it dropped
No feeling? Really? i am not a fan of Revival but its all about feeling.
even on MTBMB there are songs like "Darkness", "You Gon Learn", "Premonition", "Never Love Again"... and more.
Give Em and Nas their props. These dudes are working hard to put out new beautiful music while they dont even have to.
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No feeling? Really? i am not a fan of Revival but its all about feeling.
even on MTBMB there are songs like "Darkness", "You Gon Learn", "Premonition", "Never Love Again"... and more.
Give Em and Nas their props. These dudes are working hard to put out new beautiful music while they dont even have to.
nas is in a different category as he hasn’t really deviated much from his original style
eminem has become extremely monotone, predicated on displaying technical skill mechanically and he’s basically become an entirely different rapper than prime em
like i said, it’s not bad bro ….. but a far cry from his classic work, which was all soul driven music
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No feeling? Really? i am not a fan of Revival but its all about feeling.
even on MTBMB there are songs like "Darkness", "You Gon Learn", "Premonition", "Never Love Again"... and more.
Give Em and Nas their props. These dudes are working hard to put out new beautiful music while they dont even have to.
Homie I know you get mad at me when I say this but I do think you have a "recency bias". It's a new phrase I heard they were talking about people who actually rank Creed movies ahead of original Rocky movies or even the 1st Rocky movie which is possible one of the top films in film history and won an Oscar for best film back in 1978.
They said it's a phenomenon called "recency bias" so anyway I thought I'd throw it at you here, cause Nas and Em's music doesn't come even close to hitting me like there old music does, or even there 2013 era music, but hey, to each their own
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Man, how good that it's just yours subjective opinions on how the music feels. If I ever have to take anyone's opinion to heart, it will be legends like Rakim, Big Daddy Kane, LL Cool J, Chuck D, Treach who all claim Eminem is one of their Goats...
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Homie I know you get mad at me when I say this but I do think you have a "recency bias". It's a new phrase I heard they were talking about people who actually rank Creed movies ahead of original Rocky movies or even the 1st Rocky movie which is possible one of the top films in film history and won an Oscar for best film back in 1978.
They said it's a phenomenon called "recency bias" so anyway I thought I'd throw it at you here, cause Nas and Em's music doesn't come even close to hitting me like there old music does, or even there 2013 era music, but hey, to each their own
Of course it doesn't. They are both 50 years old now. I can't think of one artist in rap or any genre that got considerably better as they got older. Luther, maybe? There is always something new and shiny coming along.
I don't hate the new song. It is not a classic, but it is pretty decent. It is remarkable that Eminem is still making platinum music at 50 years.
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Man, how good that it's just yours subjective opinions on how the music feels. If I ever have to take anyone's opinion to heart, it will be legends like Rakim, Big Daddy Kane, LL Cool J, Chuck D, Treach who all claim Eminem is one of their Goats...
Em is one of my goats too I have him ranked as greatest rapper in history behind Pac. I just said I don’t feel his new shit the same way
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Of course it doesn't. They are both 50 years old now. I can't think of one artist in rap or any genre that got considerably better as they got older. Luther, maybe? There is always something new and shiny coming along.
I don't hate the new song. It is not a classic, but it is pretty decent. It is remarkable that Eminem is still making platinum music at 50 years.
as u age you naturally lose hunger.. less stamina, lower energy. all a big part of bein a great rapper. that’s why most rappers are able to maintain their technical skill while losing that umph behind the flows that they had when they were comin up.
the only way to save that classic feel is wit a great producer who uses his own hunger to salvage that energy and can help guide the rapper in that same direction wit the production.
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nas is in a different category as he hasn’t really deviated much from his original style
eminem has become extremely monotone, predicated on displaying technical skill mechanically and he’s basically become an entirely different rapper than prime em
like i said, it’s not bad bro ….. but a far cry from his classic work, which was all soul driven music
em pen is still untouchable
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as u age you naturally lose hunger.. less stamina, lower energy. all a big part of bein a great rapper. that’s why most rappers are able to maintain their technical skill while losing that umph behind the flows that they had when they were comin up.
the only way to save that classic feel is wit a great producer who uses his own hunger to salvage that energy and can help guide the rapper in that same direction wit the production.
Well yeah man I mean we could write a whole book on why a rapper ain’t the same at 40 as he is at 20 I mean there are a ton of reasons. Still the funniest thing ever is if you go back and watch that classic Rhyme and Reason documentary from 1996 and see Too Short throwing his “retirement party” because back then they thought 29 meant you were over the hill as a rapper, lol
Cause honestly hiphop was so young we’d never seen a post 30 rapper do great. The closest was LL but he was seen like a sell out just makin songs for women with R&B hooks. Once again it was really Dre that broke down the doors on that when he came with his second album 💿 in 1999 and then Nas came with his big comeback album Stillmatic in 2001 — really after that we started to believe rappers could still do it big in their 30’s.
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Well yeah man I mean we could write a whole book on why a rapper ain’t the same at 40 as he is at 20 I mean there are a ton of reasons. Still the funniest thing ever is if you go back and watch that classic Rhyme and Reason documentary from 1996 and see Too Short throwing his “retirement party” because back then they thought 29 meant you were over the hill as a rapper, lol
Cause honestly hiphop was so young we’d never seen a post 30 rapper do great. The closest was LL but he was seen like a sell out just makin songs for women with R&B hooks. Once again it was really Dre that broke down the doors on that when he came with his second album 💿 in 1999 and then Nas came with his big comeback album Stillmatic in 2001 — really after that we started to believe rappers could still do it big in their 30’s.
nas comeback in 2001 what? nastradamus and iam came out in 1999.
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yeah, i am... was one of his best albums. stillmatic was also a classic.
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nas comeback in 2001 what? nastradamus and iam came out in 1999.
and they sucked
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and they sucked
thats not the point comeback is from someone retired or with no release since years, 2 years specially at that time is nothing.
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thats not the point comeback is from someone retired or with no release since years, 2 years specially at that time is nothing.
that's splitting hairs... a lot of people said and I think maybe even Nas himself said that Nas had kind of fallen off and Nastradaumus album was a critical failure, some had said that on I Am and Nastradaumus that the real album had leaked and so Nas had to go in and rush to come up with other material and that Jay-Z came in during that time and went at Nas and took the NY crown from him and that lit a fire under Nas and then he came back with Stillmatic and reclaimed the crown...
...come on I'm not making that up, anyone who was around at the time can remember all that. If you could find any Source, Vibe, Murder Dog, XXL magazine at the time Stillmatic was released that was the narrative they were using for the Stillmatic album that it was Nas big comeback album to fire back at Jay-Z and reclaim the crown (after having fallen off)
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Biggest problem with Eminem is his flaws have become more apparent as he ages as have his strengths - his writing is still very strong but it’s almost tone deaf to the beat - Kendrick Lamar when he pens shit it’s extraordinary but it still sounds melodic in terms of it being music still whereas Eminems flaw of not really being musically connected is obvious as he ages - dude hasn’t put out a dope album is forever though he does have a dope joint here and there - in fact some of his beats from his team are better than dre beats these days and that’s mind blowing to me who always thought eminem beats were basically mid at best and dre always been a pioneer - dre sounds like he need to attach himself to some talented niggas again instead of the garbage he got in with him right now whereas eminem at least the people who he came up with in terms of being solid on the keys etc are still there - ez mills might actually have a chance at releasing something - unlike a lot of cats at aftermath back in the day who came to get dr beats he is like Anderson Paak and Kendrick in that he don’t need a dre beat to make it - he already establishing himself - it’s more like being signed to aftermath and Eminem is about access more now than music - look at Kendrick - the first nigga dre ain’t really do nothing for musically - even if he wanted to Kendrick might have been on some if it’s mid it ain’t coming on my album just cuz your name dr dre - you hear the gta 5 music LOL if that is what dre is now beats wise stay away - Kendrick a goat without dre shit - eminem a goat too but musically he never been natural like a jay z (not saying he’s necessarily less overall just different) -
Anyway not feeling Eminems verse on this - sounds like another repeat verse just on a diff beat, almost like he didn’t even hear the beat, like the switch up to the faster stuff sounded so forced - wasn’t feeling it - best overall eminem joint I heard in recent times was that joint with snoop for my tastes
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Biggest problem with Eminem is his flaws have become more apparent as he ages as have his strengths - his writing is still very strong but it’s almost tone deaf to the beat - Kendrick Lamar when he pens shit it’s extraordinary but it still sounds melodic in terms of it being music still whereas Eminems flaw of not really being musically connected is obvious as he ages - dude hasn’t put out a dope album is forever though he does have a dope joint here and there - in fact some of his beats from his team are better than dre beats these days and that’s mind blowing to me who always thought eminem beats were basically mid at best and dre always been a pioneer - dre sounds like he need to attach himself to some talented niggas again instead of the garbage he got in with him right now whereas eminem at least the people who he came up with in terms of being solid on the keys etc are still there - ez mills might actually have a chance at releasing something - unlike a lot of cats at aftermath back in the day who came to get dr beats he is like Anderson Paak and Kendrick in that he don’t need a dre beat to make it - he already establishing himself - it’s more like being signed to aftermath and Eminem is about access more now than music - look at Kendrick - the first nigga dre ain’t really do nothing for musically - even if he wanted to Kendrick might have been on some if it’s mid it ain’t coming on my album just cuz your name dr dre - you hear the gta 5 music LOL if that is what dre is now beats wise stay away - Kendrick a goat without dre shit - eminem a goat too but musically he never been natural like a jay z (not saying he’s necessarily less overall just different) -
Anyway not feeling Eminems verse on this - sounds like another repeat verse just on a diff beat, almost like he didn’t even hear the beat, like the switch up to the faster stuff sounded so forced - wasn’t feeling it - best overall eminem joint I heard in recent times was that joint with snoop for my tastes
yea that recent em and snoop joint is the closest to old em we’ve gotten in a while