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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: M Dogg™ on September 24, 2009, 10:14:41 PM
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I want to do a profile of all the classic albums in the 2000's, since the decade is about to close. It was a decade that started hot as hell in Hip-Hop, then as the decade went along, Hip-Hop found it's self dying. How will the 10's treat Hip-Hop, who knows, but I think we can look back and see what were the shining moments in the last 10 years. I'ma list some albums and then we can debate, and hopefully get some true DubCNN classics.
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From the Source
Jay-Z - Blueprint
Nas - Stillmatic
Scarface - The Fix
Lil' Kim - The Naked Truth
From XXL
Common - Be
Kanye West - Late Registration
Clipse - Hell Hath No Fury
50 Cent - Get Rich or Die Tryin'
Kanye West - College Dropout
Eminem - Marshall Mathers LP
Nas - Lost Tapes
M Dogg's opinion
Eminem - The Eminem Show
Untitled - Nas
Doctor's Advocate - Game (though I really have a hard time calling it a classic, compared to all other westcoast releases it's solid)
Lil' Wayne - The Carter III (I put this here 'cause the opinion I respect the most in Hip-Hop called it classic, so I put it up for debate)
TI - King
Masta Ace - Disposable Arts
Masta Ace - A Long Hot Summer
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Blueprint
Stillmatic ( good record realy fucking good)
Documentary( this one is like justa notch under classic) DEF WESTCOAST CLASSIC!!!
Carter 3
Get rich or die trying ( because of IN DA CLUB alone this record is classic, that single is one of the biggest singles in hip hop history, not to mention there is a lot of great songs on there.
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Fuck Carter 3, that shit was trash :laugh:, that's my two cents. Edit: Let the Beat Build is a dope ass track though.
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I like C3 But it isn't classic.
2009 albums can't count IMO cause they haven't been out long enough to see if there classics.
Because now I'd just name call a bunch of 09 releases.
THere's definatly allot more.
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Restless
Dillinger & Young Gotti
Supreme Clientel
The W
Muggs and GZA - Grandmasters
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number of real classics this decade;
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I can't help but agree with your response. But I do feel the line up below...
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Blueprint
Stillmatic ( good record realy fucking good)
Documentary( this one is like justa notch under classic) DEF WESTCOAST CLASSIC!!!
Carter 3
Get rich or die trying ( because of IN DA CLUB alone this record is classic, that single is one of the biggest singles in hip hop history, not to mention there is a lot of great songs on there.
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Knoc-Turn'al - The Way I Am
Kurupt - Space Boogie: Smoke Oddyssey
Xzibit - Man VS Machine
Young Buck - Straight Outta Cashville
The Game - Doctor's Advocate
Snoop Dogg - The Blue Carpet Treatment (depending on if you compare to Doggystyle though)
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One classic album i can think of right now is "Snoop Dogg Presents Tha Eastsidaz", shit is bangin from start to end. One of my favorite West Coast records ever.
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Cunninlynguists - Dirty Acres
Atmosphere - When Life Gives You Lemon, You Paint That Shit Gold
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East Coast:
Nas - Stillmatic
Sticky Fingaz - Black Trash
Gang starr- The Ownerz (I think thats what it was called)
West Coast
C-Bo & Yukmouth - Thug Lordz
C-Bo,Yukmouth & Spice 1 - Trilogy
Yukmouth - Thug Lord
Spice 1 - The Last Dace
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East Coast:
Nas - Stillmatic
Sticky Fingaz - Black Trash
Gang starr- The Ownerz (I think thats what it was called)
West Coast
C-Bo & Yukmouth - Thug Lordz
C-Bo,Yukmouth & Spice 1 - Trilogy
Yukmouth - Thug Lord
Spice 1 - The Last Dace
My man... was gunna put this one myself....i cant understand how people miss this as a classic.
Also M.O.P Warriors
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UGK- Underground Kingz! 2cd with only a few tracks to skip
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Looks like people are just listing good albums from the decade.
There aren't any real hip-hop classics.
The closest one are: Stillmatic, The Blueprint, Get Rich Or Die Tryin', The Marshal Mathers LP, Stankonia, College Dropout and The Fix. Maybe Untitled, The Listening and Supreme Clientele
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It depends what the criteria for classic is. Are we saying strictly albums that changed the game and were dope all the way through. Or albums that may have had a couple duds but were still game changers...
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I just named what i think were classic
Proper 1s that changed the game, well........... I think its only The Marshall Mathers LP and maybe The Blueprint
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Aside from GRODT, Stillmatic, MMLP
Lupe Fiasco - The Cool
Joe Budden - Mood Muzik 2
Blu & Exile - Below The Heavens - extremely dope album, personal classic
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So basically you guys consider like 20 albums which dropped in '95 classic but no classics have dropped in the last 10 years?
So the standard for a classic is being released before 2000?
You're setting the bar too high for '00's classics
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”Put Ya Mics Where Ya Mouth Is” January 2001 NO.136
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Anatomy of a classic album in The Source August 2003 NO.167
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I decide how i like an album with my own ears not how some gay magazine decides
At the end of the day its all about opinions, although there are some that are a consensous(Spelling)
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agreed but although rap magazines serve a lot of purpose if theyre reliable ;) (see Lil Kim Naked Truth 5 mics :laugh:). They help to create some sort of standard or else we'd have everything from Soulja boy to q tips new albums being labelled classics. They also help to direct attentions to albums that deserve it.
Classic to me is something that a) has a big impact b) is quality all the way through with some standout tracks (aka D'Evils, Let Me Ride, CREAM etc) c) stands the test of time. 'B' doesnt matter as much if the album meets the criteria for 'a' perfectly and similarly 'C' doesn't matter as much if 'A' or 'B' are true. They still though need to have a bit of each factor though.
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OBFCL2 is an instant classic in my ears.
Illa J - Yancey Boys ( one of my favourite album of all time actualy)
WC - Guilty By Affilliation
Little Brother - The Minstrel Show
Brother Ali - The Undisputed Truth
Jay-Z - The Blueprint
Masta Ace - Disposable Arts
Emc - The Show
Ghostface Killah - Upreme Clientele
Eminem - The Marshall Mathers LP
Hi-Tek - Hi Tecknology 2
Busta Rhymes - Genesis
this are all 5/5 for me....
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You're setting the bar too high for '00's classics
Are we?
Take a look at The Source magazine's classics list.
Give and take a few,it's pretty on point. (Yes,they're a little biased,but that's another story that you can read more about here (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=189052.msg1931298#msg1931298))
Few if any albums from this decade deserves to be side by side with those (The Source magazine's classics) albums.
The Source's 5 Mic Albums
Run-D.M.C. by Run-D.M.C.
Radio by LL Cool J
Licensed to Ill by The Beastie Boys
Raising Hell by Run-D.M.C.
Criminal Minded by Boogie Down Productions
Paid in Full by Eric B. & Rakim
Long Live the Kane by Big Daddy Kane
By All Means Necessary by Boogie Down Productions
Strictly Business by EPMD
Straight Out the Jungle by The Jungle Brothers
Straight Outta Compton by N.W.A.
It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back by Public Enemy
The Great Adventures of Slick Rick by Slick Rick
Critical Beatdown by Ultramagnetic MCs
No One Can Do It Better by The D.O.C.
Grip It! On That Other Level by Geto Boys
People's Instinctive Travels and the Paths of Rhythm by A Tribe Called Quest
One For All by Brand Nubian
Let the Rhythm Hit 'Em by Eric B. & Rakim
AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted by Ice Cube
Breaking Atoms by Main Source
The Low End Theory by A Tribe Called Quest
De La Soul Is Dead by De La Soul
Death Certificate by Ice Cube
The Chronic by Dr. Dre
Doggystyle by Snoop Doggy Dogg
Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers) by Wu-Tang Clan
Illmatic by Nas
Ready to Die by The Notorious B.I.G.
The Diary by Scarface
The Infamous by Mobb Deep
Only Built 4 Cuban Linx by Raekwon
Me Against the World by 2Pac
The Score by The Fugees
Reasonable Doubt by Jay-Z
All Eyez on Me by 2Pac
Life After Death by The Notorious B.I.G.
Aquemini by Outkast
The Chronic 2001 by Dr. Dre
Stillmatic by Nas
The Blueprint by Jay-Z
The Fix by Scarface
The Naked Truth by Lil Kim
Classic to me is something that
a) has a big impact
b) is quality all the way through with some standout tracks (aka D'Evils, Let Me Ride, CREAM etc)
c) stands the test of time.
'B' doesn't matter as much if the album meets the criteria for 'a' perfectly and similarly 'C' doesn't matter as much if 'A' or 'B' are true.
They still though need to have a bit of each factor though.
pretty much... basicilly the same shit the source dude said ;)
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You're setting the bar too high for '00's classics
Are we?
Take a look at The Source magazine's classics list.
Give and take a few,it's pretty on point. (Yes,they're a little biased,but that's another story that you can read more about here (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=189052.msg1931298#msg1931298))
Few if any albums from this decade deserves to be side by side with those (The Source magazine's classics) albums.
The Source's 5 Mic Albums
Run-D.M.C. by Run-D.M.C.
Radio by LL Cool J
Licensed to Ill by The Beastie Boys
Raising Hell by Run-D.M.C.
Criminal Minded by Boogie Down Productions
Paid in Full by Eric B. & Rakim
Long Live the Kane by Big Daddy Kane
By All Means Necessary by Boogie Down Productions
Strictly Business by EPMD
Straight Out the Jungle by The Jungle Brothers
Straight Outta Compton by N.W.A.
It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back by Public Enemy
The Great Adventures of Slick Rick by Slick Rick
Critical Beatdown by Ultramagnetic MCs
No One Can Do It Better by The D.O.C.
Grip It! On That Other Level by Geto Boys
People's Instinctive Travels and the Paths of Rhythm by A Tribe Called Quest
One For All by Brand Nubian
Let the Rhythm Hit 'Em by Eric B. & Rakim
AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted by Ice Cube
Breaking Atoms by Main Source
The Low End Theory by A Tribe Called Quest
De La Soul Is Dead by De La Soul
Death Certificate by Ice Cube
The Chronic by Dr. Dre
Doggystyle by Snoop Doggy Dogg
Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers) by Wu-Tang Clan
Illmatic by Nas
Ready to Die by The Notorious B.I.G.
The Diary by Scarface
The Infamous by Mobb Deep
Only Built 4 Cuban Linx by Raekwon
Me Against the World by 2Pac
The Score by The Fugees
Reasonable Doubt by Jay-Z
All Eyez on Me by 2Pac
Life After Death by The Notorious B.I.G.
Aquemini by Outkast
The Chronic 2001 by Dr. Dre
Stillmatic by Nas
The Blueprint by Jay-Z
The Fix by Scarface
The Naked Truth by Lil Kim
Classic to me is something that
a) has a big impact
b) is quality all the way through with some standout tracks (aka D'Evils, Let Me Ride, CREAM etc)
c) stands the test of time.
'B' doesn't matter as much if the album meets the criteria for 'a' perfectly and similarly 'C' doesn't matter as much if 'A' or 'B' are true.
They still though need to have a bit of each factor though.
pretty much... basicilly the same shit the source dude said ;)
then let's try to form a list of classics from the 2000s by proces of elimination....
It's IMPOSSIBLE that there haven't been any classics in the last decade...
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Snoop Dogg - Tha Last Meal. December 2000, if I'm not mistaken.
A pesonal classic, undoubtedly. It dropped around the time I was just getting into Hip-Hop, and helped cement my passion for the genre. Beyond that, though, I would make the argument that it is a Hip-Hop classic.
To me, it's always been Snoop's most consistent effort after his debut. There are hidden facets of his personality that he exposed on this album, rarely to do so again. On a track like "Issues," he speaks as candidly as he ever has about his relationships within the industry. On "Go Away," he's intimidating without relying on cliched 'gangsta rap' confrontation. And on "I Can't Swim," he's impressively self-aware; When discussing vocal groupies, he drops the gem, "Take the fame away, and the game away / I bet they won't say the same that day." Any Snoop fan familiar with his pimp schtick can appreciate the significance of that honesty.
Beyond a rejuvenated Snoop, you've got some of the best production he's ever been afforded. Timbaland and Snoop reach a perfect compromise, with "Set It Off" retaining Timbo's frenetic energy while showcasing old cohorts Rage and Nate. On "Snoop Dogg (Who Am I, Pt. 2)," meanwhile, Tim delivers the kind of quirky club cut that only an artist as charismatic as Snoop could do justice to. Beyond him, you've got two of the best tracks of Meech Wells' career in the afore-mentioned "Go Away" and "Issues" - perhaps or perhaps not a result of Dr. Dre's mixing. As for Dre, his entries are great, from the hazy opening funk of "Hennessy N Buddah" to the gruff "Lay Low." You've also got Battlecat (the brilliantly mature "Stacey Adams"), Soopafly (the tropical "Losin' Control"), and Jelly Roll ("Wrong Idea") bringing the best out of Tha Doggfather.
Throw in some successful experimentation - from the bluesy singsong of "Leave Me Alone" to the boisterous Eve collaboration that is "Ready 2 Ryde" - and, in my eyes, you've got an album that is almost faultless. Were it not for the glaringly obvious No Limit track ("Back Up Off Me"), I believe a lot more heads would be singing this album's praises. Go back, revisit it, and be pleasantly surprised. This is likely the closest Dogg will ever come to matching Doggystyle.
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Snoop Dogg - Tha Last Meal. December 2000, if I'm not mistaken.
A pesonal classic, undoubtedly. It dropped around the time I was just getting into Hip-Hop, and helped cement my passion for the genre. Beyond that, though, I would make the argument that it is a Hip-Hop classic.
To me, it's always been Snoop's most consistent effort after his debut. There are hidden facets of his personality that he exposed on this album, rarely to do so again. On a track like "Issues," he speaks as candidly as he ever has about his relationships within the industry. On "Go Away," he's intimidating without relying on cliched 'gangsta rap' confrontation. And on "I Can't Swim," he's impressively self-aware; When discussing vocal groupies, he drops the gem, "Take the fame away, and the game away / I bet they won't say the same that day." Any Snoop fan familiar with his pimp schtick can appreciate the significance of that honesty.
Beyond a rejuvenated Snoop, you've got some of the best production he's ever been afforded. Timbaland and Snoop reach a perfect compromise, with "Set It Off" retaining Timbo's frenetic energy while showcasing old cohorts Rage and Nate. On "Snoop Dogg (Who Am I, Pt. 2)," meanwhile, Tim delivers the kind of quirky club cut that only an artist as charismatic as Snoop could do justice to. Beyond him, you've got two of the best tracks of Meech Wells' career in the afore-mentioned "Go Away" and "Issues" - perhaps or perhaps not a result of Dr. Dre's mixing. As for Dre, his entries are great, from the hazy opening funk of "Hennessy N Buddah" to the gruff "Lay Low." You've also got Battlecat (the brilliantly mature "Stacey Adams"), Soopafly (the tropical "Losin' Control"), and Jelly Roll ("Wrong Idea") bringing the best out of Tha Doggfather.
Throw in some successful experimentation - from the bluesy singsong of "Leave Me Alone" to the boisterous Eve collaboration that is "Ready 2 Ryde" - and, in my eyes, you've got an album that is almost faultless. Were it not for the glaringly obvious No Limit track ("Back Up Off Me"), I believe a lot more heads would be singing this album's praises. Go back, revisit it, and be pleasantly surprised. This is likely the closest Dogg will ever come to matching Doggystyle.
when I was eleven and I was at my cousin who was like 30; he let me borrow all his hiphop cd's, he had 2 snoop albums: tha last meal and doggystyle, those 2 albums became some of my favorite albums of all time 8)
so it kinda got me into real hiphop (50 cent was 1 of my favorite rappers before that)
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agreed but although rap magazines serve a lot of purpose if theyre reliable ;) (see Lil Kim Naked Truth 5 mics :laugh:). They help to create some sort of standard or else we'd have everything from Soulja boy to q tips new albums being labelled classics. They also help to direct attentions to albums that deserve it.
Classic to me is something that a) has a big impact b) is quality all the way through with some standout tracks (aka D'Evils, Let Me Ride, CREAM etc) c) stands the test of time. 'B' doesnt matter as much if the album meets the criteria for 'a' perfectly and similarly 'C' doesn't matter as much if 'A' or 'B' are true. They still though need to have a bit of each factor though.
Well i think thats what forums like these are for, where there are several people giving there views and opinions and classics can be formed from that, id much rather listen to opinons from fans and get a general opinion on music than some shady magazine that trys to manipulate what is classic and whats not
For example Th Source(Not very well respected nowadays, i know) gave that shitty lil kim album 5 mics, The latest Raekwon album only gettin 3.5 mics weh it seems like 90% of the people/fans on here are giving it near classic status, i know who im listening to
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UGK- Underground Kingz! 2cd with only a few tracks to skip
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agreed but although rap magazines serve a lot of purpose if theyre reliable ;) (see Lil Kim Naked Truth 5 mics :laugh:). They help to create some sort of standard or else we'd have everything from Soulja boy to q tips new albums being labelled classics. They also help to direct attentions to albums that deserve it.
Classic to me is something that a) has a big impact b) is quality all the way through with some standout tracks (aka D'Evils, Let Me Ride, CREAM etc) c) stands the test of time. 'B' doesnt matter as much if the album meets the criteria for 'a' perfectly and similarly 'C' doesn't matter as much if 'A' or 'B' are true. They still though need to have a bit of each factor though.
Well i think thats what forums like these are for, where there are several people giving there views and opinions and classics can be formed from that, id much rather listen to opinons from fans and get a general opinion on music than some shady magazine that trys to manipulate what is classic and whats not
For example Th Source(Not very well respected nowadays, i know) gave that shitty lil kim album 5 mics, The latest Raekwon album only gettin 3.5 mics weh it seems like 90% of the people/fans on here are giving it near classic status, i know who im listening to
true but nowadays I don't really use the Source as a metre. Seeing who they gave 5 mics to through the 80s and 90s i'd say they were pretty accurate although a little east coast biased. But I agree with Dre when he says we have to remember what we called classic in the past. I'm not saying that anything post 1999 can't be classic (in fact i believe there to be a few) but i'm saying we can't measure a dope nowadays just against the wack shit thats out now.
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Xzibit - REstless
Common - Be
Eminem - MMLP
Game - Documentary/DA
Jay-z - Blueprint (maybe even Black album)
Kanye - College Dropout
WC - Guilty By Affiliation
If these aren't classic some 90's releases aren't ether
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True
Like i said earlier in the thread there are very few albums since 2000 that changed hip hop and rocked it, MMLP and maybe Blueprint
Everything else is just personal classics which is cool, i hate seein people come in threads like this and sayin " Thats not classic", its not for them to say
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You're not wrong MDogg, first half of this decade produced some gems, the latter half some dance hits, ^^ Ikke's generation, lol.
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Marshall Mathers LP
Get Rich or Die Tryin'
Restless
Documentary
College Dropout
& a whole mess of Joe Budden shit.
those are the true highlights of this decade, the rest is "oldies respect"; GTFO giving OB4CL2 the same credit as MMLP, Documentary & College Dropout.
it shines in 2009, but overall it was a 4/5, not true classics/near classics like the ones i just named in my previous sentence.
anyway, 90's >>> '00's.
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1995 Classics:
GZA - Liquid Swords
Dogg Pound - Dogg Food
Mack 10 - selftitled
Raekwon - Only Built For Cuban Linx
ODB - Return to the 36 Chambers.
Tupac - Me against the world
E-40 - In A Major Way
Big L - Lifestylez ov da poor & Dangerous
Mob Deep -Infamous
BTNH - E1999 Eternal
Onys - All We Got Iz us
Coolio Gangsters Paradise
EAZY-E - Straight off tha streets of compton
13 in 1 year, some are up for debate but that's atleast a classic every months, and you guys are saying there have bern no or a handfull classics in the alst 10 years while there were atleast 12 in 1 year in 1995...
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Cunninlynguists - Dirty Acres A Piece of Strange
Madvillain - Madvillainy
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1995 Classics:
GZA - Liquid Swords
Dogg Pound - Dogg Food
Mack 10 - selftitled
Raekwon - Only Built For Cuban Linx
ODB - Return to the 36 Chambers.
Tupac - Me against the world
E-40 - In A Major Way
Big L - Lifestylez ov da poor & Dangerous
Mob Deep -Infamous
BTNH - E1999 Eternal
Onys - All We Got Iz us
Coolio Gangsters Paradise
EAZY-E - Straight off tha streets of compton
13 in 1 year, some are up for debate but that's atleast a classic every months, and you guys are saying there have bern no or a handfull classics in the alst 10 years while there were atleast 12 in 1 year in 1995...
Thats mental all in 1 year lol
8)
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1995 Classics:
GZA - Liquid Swords
Dogg Pound - Dogg Food
Mack 10 - selftitled
Raekwon - Only Built For Cuban Linx
ODB - Return to the 36 Chambers.
Tupac - Me against the world
E-40 - In A Major Way
Big L - Lifestylez ov da poor & Dangerous
Mob Deep -Infamous
BTNH - E1999 Eternal
Onys - All We Got Iz us
Coolio Gangsters Paradise
EAZY-E - Straight off tha streets of compton
13 in 1 year, some are up for debate but that's atleast a classic every months, and you guys are saying there have bern no or a handfull classics in the alst 10 years while there were atleast 12 in 1 year in 1995...
I doubt you would find a lot of people who consider all of those albums you listed as classics.
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the circle of tyrants - circle of tyrants
majesty - street made
necro presents - brutality part 1
necro - gory days
non phixion - the green cd
non phixion - the future is now
esham - tongues
2pac - better dayz
crooked i - the block obama EP
slaughterhouse - slaughterhouse
ill bill - whats wrong with bill?
raekwan - only built 4 cuban linx 2
off the top of my head
non mixtape CLASSICS
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1995 Classics:
GZA - Liquid Swords
Dogg Pound - Dogg Food
Mack 10 - selftitled
Raekwon - Only Built For Cuban Linx
ODB - Return to the 36 Chambers.
Tupac - Me against the world
E-40 - In A Major Way
Big L - Lifestylez ov da poor & Dangerous
Mob Deep -Infamous
BTNH - E1999 Eternal
Onys - All We Got Iz us
Coolio Gangsters Paradise
EAZY-E - Straight off tha streets of compton
13 in 1 year, some are up for debate but that's atleast a classic every months, and you guys are saying there have bern no or a handfull classics in the alst 10 years while there were atleast 12 in 1 year in 1995...
I doubt you would find a lot of people who consider all of those albums you listed as classics.
GZA - Liquid Swords
Dogg Pound - Dogg Food
Tupac - Me against the world
Big L - Lifestylez ov da poor & Dangerous
EAZY-E - Straight off tha streets of compton
those are all huge classics!!! top cds ever
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1995 Classics:
GZA - Liquid Swords
Dogg Pound - Dogg Food
Mack 10 - selftitled
Raekwon - Only Built For Cuban Linx
ODB - Return to the 36 Chambers.
Tupac - Me against the world
E-40 - In A Major Way
Big L - Lifestylez ov da poor & Dangerous
Mob Deep -Infamous
BTNH - E1999 Eternal
Onys - All We Got Iz us
Coolio Gangsters Paradise
EAZY-E - Straight off tha streets of compton
13 in 1 year, some are up for debate but that's atleast a classic every months, and you guys are saying there have bern no or a handfull classics in the alst 10 years while there were atleast 12 in 1 year in 1995...
I doubt you would find a lot of people who consider all of those albums you listed as classics.
probally atleast half, which would mean a classic every 2 months which still proves my point :P
Hack how can you list OB4CLII as a classic but not the first part?
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probally atleast half, which would mean a classic every 2 months which still proves my point :P
Yeah no doubt, breaking things down into periods the mid 90s has way more classic material than this decade. Likewise the late 80s/early 90s (the so called "golden age" if you will) has more classics than the mid 90s.
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1995 Classics:
GZA - Liquid Swords
Dogg Pound - Dogg Food
Mack 10 - selftitled
Raekwon - Only Built For Cuban Linx
ODB - Return to the 36 Chambers.
Tupac - Me against the world
E-40 - In A Major Way
Big L - Lifestylez ov da poor & Dangerous
Mob Deep -Infamous
BTNH - E1999 Eternal
Onys - All We Got Iz us
Coolio Gangsters Paradise
EAZY-E - Straight off tha streets of compton
13 in 1 year, some are up for debate but that's atleast a classic every months, and you guys are saying there have bern no or a handfull classics in the alst 10 years while there were atleast 12 in 1 year in 1995...
I doubt you would find a lot of people who consider all of those albums you listed as classics.
GZA - Liquid Swords
Dogg Pound - Dogg Food
Tupac - Me against the world
Big L - Lifestylez ov da poor & Dangerous
EAZY-E - Straight off tha streets of compton
those are all huge classics!!! top cds ever
Add Only Built For Cuban Linx and Eternal 1999
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1995 Classics:
GZA - Liquid Swords
Dogg Pound - Dogg Food
Mack 10 - selftitled
Raekwon - Only Built For Cuban Linx
ODB - Return to the 36 Chambers.
Tupac - Me against the world
E-40 - In A Major Way
Big L - Lifestylez ov da poor & Dangerous
Mob Deep -Infamous
BTNH - E1999 Eternal
Onys - All We Got Iz us
Coolio Gangsters Paradise
EAZY-E - Straight off tha streets of compton
13 in 1 year, some are up for debate but that's atleast a classic every months, and you guys are saying there have bern no or a handfull classics in the alst 10 years while there were atleast 12 in 1 year in 1995...
Some classics no doubt, but this is 09 not 05, lol.
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1995 Classics:
GZA - Liquid Swords
Dogg Pound - Dogg Food
Mack 10 - selftitled
Raekwon - Only Built For Cuban Linx
ODB - Return to the 36 Chambers.
Tupac - Me against the world
E-40 - In A Major Way
Big L - Lifestylez ov da poor & Dangerous
Mob Deep -Infamous
BTNH - E1999 Eternal
Onys - All We Got Iz us
Coolio Gangsters Paradise
EAZY-E - Straight off tha streets of compton
13 in 1 year, some are up for debate but that's atleast a classic every months, and you guys are saying there have bern no or a handfull classics in the alst 10 years while there were atleast 12 in 1 year in 1995...
Some classics no doubt, but this is 09 not 05, lol.
09 albums can't compete for classic since they're too 'young'.
Next year we might consider OB4CL2, SH, Ghostdeni or possibly even bp3 classic but there a month old tops.
and still no way that the amount of classics drops from like 13 a year to non in a decade
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1995 Classics:
GZA - Liquid Swords
Dogg Pound - Dogg Food
Mack 10 - selftitled
Raekwon - Only Built For Cuban Linx
ODB - Return to the 36 Chambers.
Tupac - Me against the world
E-40 - In A Major Way
Big L - Lifestylez ov da poor & Dangerous
Mob Deep -Infamous
BTNH - E1999 Eternal
Onys - All We Got Iz us
Coolio Gangsters Paradise
EAZY-E - Straight off tha streets of compton
13 in 1 year, some are up for debate but that's atleast a classic every months, and you guys are saying there have bern no or a handfull classics in the alst 10 years while there were atleast 12 in 1 year in 1995...
how about 91?;
Albums of the year 1991 The Source Magazine Januray 1992 #28
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3503/3277569056_fb2cb8cdb1_o.jpg)
and now it´s years between each classic :-X :-\
(for the record half of those albums ain´t classics,at least in my book)
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True, I getchu.
91 was another vintage year, 8)
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See every year in the nineties had a shitload of classics!
I just can't see how there can be no year in the 2000's that has any classics....
1996 has 2 pac classics alone
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1995 Classics:
GZA - Liquid Swords
Dogg Pound - Dogg Food
Mack 10 - selftitled
Raekwon - Only Built For Cuban Linx
ODB - Return to the 36 Chambers.
Tupac - Me against the world
E-40 - In A Major Way
Big L - Lifestylez ov da poor & Dangerous
Mob Deep -Infamous
BTNH - E1999 Eternal
Onys - All We Got Iz us
Coolio Gangsters Paradise
EAZY-E - Straight off tha streets of compton
13 in 1 year, some are up for debate but that's atleast a classic every months, and you guys are saying there have bern no or a handfull classics in the alst 10 years while there were atleast 12 in 1 year in 1995...
I doubt you would find a lot of people who consider all of those albums you listed as classics.
probally atleast half, which would mean a classic every 2 months which still proves my point :P
Hack how can you list OB4CLII as a classic but not the first part?
those 5 CDs i selected were MEGA classics
OB$CL is a classic but not a mega classic lol
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In terms of influencing the game i'd say OB4CL >>> any of those other albums from 95.
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In terms of influencing the game I'd say OB4CL >>> any of those other albums from 95.
pretty much.... Bone's album influenced a lot of cats as well.
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1995 Classics:
GZA - Liquid Swords
Dogg Pound - Dogg Food
Mack 10 - selftitled
Raekwon - Only Built For Cuban Linx
ODB - Return to the 36 Chambers.
Tupac - Me against the world
E-40 - In A Major Way
Big L - Lifestylez ov da poor & Dangerous
Mob Deep -Infamous
BTNH - E1999 Eternal
Onys - All We Got Iz us
Coolio Gangsters Paradise
EAZY-E - Straight off tha streets of compton
13 in 1 year, some are up for debate but that's atleast a classic every months, and you guys are saying there have bern no or a handfull classics in the alst 10 years while there were atleast 12 in 1 year in 1995...
I doubt you would find a lot of people who consider all of those albums you listed as classics.
probally atleast half, which would mean a classic every 2 months which still proves my point :P
Hack how can you list OB4CLII as a classic but not the first part?
those 5 CDs i selected were MEGA classics
OB$CL is a classic but not a mega classic lol
and this is coming from hack, who only listens to artists he likes and doesn't give a fuck about anybody else's opinion in music.
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LMAO...
This thread is about the last 10 years, not 20 years ago. How many muthaphukkaz actually remember half that shit other than listening to your big brothers radio. In 1991, I was 10 listening to the radio well my cousins talked about how the early 80's shit on what's out now, and in 1995 I was 14 thinking everything was the greatest shit out, the same way some 14 year old right now has his Soulja Boy and Lil' Wayne MP3s on repeat right now.
I'm saying this right now, FUCK THE 90's. I love the 90's, I was a teen in the 90's, 80% of my CDs and MP3s are from the 90's, but it's muthaphukkin' 2009l, we just had 10 years of a whole new decade that is about to end, I'm not 14, I'm pushing 30 now, and the same way my cousins felt in 1995, they said that everyone's said everything that needs to be said, there's no creativity anymore, that gangsta rap was killing Hip-Hop making rap music seem like mindless hood tales, is how everyone here now feels about hip-hop now. Hip-Hop may not be worst than 15 years ago, it's just could be different.
Now please, lets try to stay in modern times, and lets be real, there were some classics in the last 10 years. Because to be a classic, an album has to stand the test of time so it's hard to judge the last 5 years, but we still have some shit that's change the game.
Eminem Show I think brought Hip-Hop to a level in mainstream America were you knew REAL hip-hop could be accepted, not just the Dr. Dre pumped Eminem sound.
Stillmatic was solid from front to back, and the last 3 songs straight after 9-11 changed Hip-Hop and gave birth to a new type of political rap that people like Immortal Technique and Talib Kweli borrowed from.
Blueprint was the most solid and well produced album of the decade, and it gave birth to that Kanye chipmunk style that dominated the decade.
College Dropout IMO was the best album of the decade, bar none.
Get Rich or Die Trying was a cut from old school street albums, like It's On (Dr. Dre) and Streetz Iz A Mutha, and was a straight streets classic that actually hit the mainstream and was one of the highest selling albums of all time.
We've had some great shit the last 10 years. Yeah there's been some crap, but we forgot the shit that was No Limit Records in the late 90's, or Tim Dog in the 80's and 90's and credible artist co-signing that shit.
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Eminem Show I think brought Hip-Hop to a level in mainstream America were you knew REAL hip-hop could be accepted, not just the Dr. Dre pumped Eminem sound.
I know I'm going to catch some flack for this...... :laugh:
But to call that piece of shit jEM jEM binks real hip hop is :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X >:(
His shit is so beyond Hip Hop.... some shit.... well I can´t relate,it's soooo far away from what I know as Hip Hop.
You can't relate, you can't relate. Don't make it less Hip-Hop, nor does it make your opinion less relevant. But dude had more skill than anyone in the decade not name Nas, and he was the highest selling artist in the decade. You can't relate, fine, but his shit is real Hip-Hop.
http://www.youtube.com/v/vIGV4Vhdvcc&hl=en&fs=1&
http://www.youtube.com/v/aSn9x83c3F4&hl=en&fs=1&
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Eminem Show I think brought Hip-Hop to a level in mainstream America were you knew REAL hip-hop could be accepted, not just the Dr. Dre pumped Eminem sound.
I know I'm going to catch some flack for this...... :laugh:
But to call that piece of shit real hip hop is :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X >:(
.......well I can´t relate,it's soooo far away from what I know as Hip Hop.
You can't relate, you can't relate. Don't make it less Hip-Hop, nor does it make your opinion less relevant. But dude had more skill than anyone in the decade not name Nas, and he was the highest selling artist in the decade. You can't relate, fine, but his shit is real Hip-Hop.
skills yes,a very,very talented cat.
hip hop NO!!!!!!!!
some rap rock hybrid yes.... that the white jackass generation can relate to.... fine. ;)
but please don't mix that crap up with hip hop.
now let me do a backspin and hit up a train while listening to soul sonic force :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
that's hip hop ;)
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Nx1WBgjY9RA/Sa0f2On4QCI/AAAAAAAAACM/a5KfJHhH6yo/S1600-R/Beat-street.jpg)
LOL
There use to be a rule, no biting allow. Another words, don't bit others style, be original. THAT'S HIP-HOP! It's what make Cypress Hill as hip-hop as Onyx, and as hip-hop as Warren G and as hip-hop as Outkast and as hip-hop as Kanye West, and as hip-hop as Wu-Tang and as hip-hop as the Furious 5 and as hip-hop as Ice Cube and as hip-hop as Pete Rock and CL Smooth. Hip-Hop takes from everything, there was rock in Run DMC's sound, and there was so funk in what Dr. Dre was doing, and there was some old soulful R&B in what Kanye's doing. It's all hip-hop, the is no set style other than no biting allowed.
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People always say the past is better, it wasn't it was different.
We only consider it better because of the memories we've attached to a certain time.
I may be young but even I have atached certain nostalgic value to the past.
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Eminem Show I think brought Hip-Hop to a level in mainstream America were you knew REAL hip-hop could be accepted, not just the Dr. Dre pumped Eminem sound.
I know I'm going to catch some flack for this...... :laugh:
But to call that piece of shit real hip hop is :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X >:(
.......well I can't relate,it's soooo far away from what I know as Hip Hop.
You can't relate, you can't relate. Don't make it less Hip-Hop, nor does it make your opinion less relevant. But dude had more skill than anyone in the decade not name Nas, and he was the highest selling artist in the decade. You can't relate, fine, but his shit is real Hip-Hop.
skills yes,a very,very talented cat.
hip hop NO!!!!!!!!
some rap rock hybrid yes.... that the white jackass generation can relate to.... fine. ;)
but please don't mix that crap up with hip hop.
now let me do a backspin and hit up a train while listening to soul sonic force :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
that's hip hop ;)
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Nx1WBgjY9RA/Sa0f2On4QCI/AAAAAAAAACM/a5KfJHhH6yo/S1600-R/Beat-street.jpg)
LOL
There use to be a rule, no biting allow. Another words, don't bit others style, be original. THAT'S HIP-HOP! It's what make Cypress Hill as hip-hop as Onyx, and as hip-hop as Warren G and as hip-hop as Outkast and as hip-hop as Kanye West, and as hip-hop as Wu-Tang and as hip-hop as the Furious 5 and as hip-hop as Ice Cube and as hip-hop as Pete Rock and CL Smooth. Hip-Hop takes from everything, there was rock in Run DMC's sound, and there was so funk in what Dr. Dre was doing, and there was some old soulful R&B in what Kanye's doing. It's all hip-hop, the is no set style other than no biting allowed.
True... but Cypress,Cube etc. ain't Hip Hop either.
They do gangster rap,but that shit is still closer to "Hip Hop" than Em and his rock rap hybrid.
It's a far stretch to call Em's solo albums real hip hop.....
The stuff he did on 8 Mile on the other hand,like "Rabbit Run".... that's hip hop ;)
You know what I mean right?
I see what you mean, but I don't agree. Hip-Hop is not a set formula, it's a culture. It's an individual expression. I see you view hip-hop as solely what was done in the 70's and early 80's, but I think you'd find people like Grandmaster Flash, KRS-One, Melle Mel, Grandmaster Caz and Kool Herc would agree that Eminem is Hip-Hop.
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Hip Hop is what is it is.... what most if not all cats do these days ain't hip hop.
nothing wrong with that,it evolved to a gang of signore's and out of all these (gangster rap,mob music,hyphy,alternative rap/backpack,bounce,crunk etc.)..... the only rap sub-genere I feel is so left field to it's original form that I can't listen to it is the rap-rock hybrid one that Kid Rock,Em and co rocks..... it's all the same to me. Let me turn the tables; it's rock with rap..... :-\
according to this theory when a black man and a white woman have a baby the baby is neither black or white.
It don't make sense lol.
It's a sub-culture of hiphop, so still part of the hip hop culture.
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Hip Hop is what is it is.... what most if not all cats do these days ain't hip hop.
nothing wrong with that,it evolved to a gang of sub-genres and out of all these (gangster rap,mob music,hyphy,alternative rap/backpack,bounce,crunk etc.)..... the only rap sub-genre I feel is so left field to it's original form that I can't listen to it is the rap-rock hybrid one that Kid Rock,Em and co rocks..... it's all the same to me. Let me turn the tables; it's rock with rap..... :-\
according to this theory when a black man and a white woman have a baby the baby is neither black or white.
It don't make sense lol.
It's a sub-culture genre of hiphop, so still part of the hip hop culture.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
anyway;
sub-genre not subculture... ;) Hip Hop culture; rap,graffiti and breaking ;)
OK,how about sub-genre of rock,so it's part of rock? :P ;)
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Hip Hop is what is it is.... what most if not all cats do these days ain't hip hop.
nothing wrong with that,it evolved to a gang of signore's and out of all these (gangster rap,mob music,hyphy,alternative rap/backpack,bounce,crunk etc.)..... the only rap sub-genre I feel is so left field to it's original form that I can't listen to it is the rap-rock hybrid one that Kid Rock,Em and co rocks..... it's all the same to me. Let me turn the tables; it's rock with rap..... :-\
according to this theory when a black man and a white woman have a baby the baby is neither black or white.
It don't make sense lol.
It's a sub-culture genre of hiphop, so still part of the hip hop culture.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
anyway;
sub-genre not subculture... ;) Hip Hop culture; rap,graffiti and breaking ;)
OK,how about sub-genre of rock,so it's part of rock? :P ;)
in that case, it's pretty sad how rappers brag that rap is so lyrical & 98% of its history has been outdone by some sub-genre rocker. ;D
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i vote for this vader dude to be banned
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Hip Hop is what is it is.... what most if not all cats do these days ain't hip hop.
nothing wrong with that,it evolved to a gang of signore's and out of all these (gangster rap,mob music,hyphy,alternative rap/backpack,bounce,crunk etc.)..... the only rap sub-genre I feel is so left field to it's original form that I can't listen to it is the rap-rock hybrid one that Kid Rock,Em and co rocks..... it's all the same to me. Let me turn the tables; it's rock with rap..... :-\
according to this theory when a black man and a white woman have a baby the baby is neither black or white.
It don't make sense lol.
It's a sub-culture genre of hiphop, so still part of the hip hop culture.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
anyway;
sub-genre not subculture... ;) Hip Hop culture; rap,graffiti and breaking ;)
OK,how about sub-genre of rock,so it's part of rock? :P ;)
in that case, it's pretty sad how rappers brag that rap is so lyrical & 98% of its history has been outdone by some sub-genre rocker. ;D
lol, how Em is anything but a straight up mc i dont know
i vote for this vader dude to be banned
haha
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saying that eminem isnt hip-hop is as dumb as saying Elvis wasnt rock n roll. saying that eminem is hip-hop-rock hybrid is even dumber. I mean, no offence, but dude, something is really fucked up with your brains, or whatever you have up there...
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saying that eminem isn't hip-hop is as dumb as saying Elvis wasn't rock n roll. saying that eminem is hip-hop-rock hybrid is even dumber.
I mean, no offence, but dude, something is really fucked up with your brains, or whatever you have up there...
sure.... as you know what Hip Hop is..... :P :P :P :P :-X
Hope your white hero commit suicide...
Benzino was right all along,Jimmy and Interscope really killed Hip Hop. :-[
Im really too lazy to discuss about eminem music, with some1 who probably only heard few songs, so i'll just post a random freestyle of his
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-QPSkUiFxw&feature=related
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saying that eminem isn't hip-hop is as dumb as saying Elvis wasn't rock n roll. saying that eminem is hip-hop-rock hybrid is even dumber.
I mean, no offence, but dude, something is really fucked up with your brains, or whatever you have up there...
sure.... as you know what Hip Hop is..... :P :P :P :P :-X
Hope your white hero commit suicide...
Benzino was right all along,Jimmy and Interscope really killed Hip Hop. :-[
Im really too lazy to discuss about eminem music, with some1 who probably only heard few songs, so i'll just post a random freestyle of his
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-QPSkUiFxw&feature=related
lol Vader is just stirring up shit, haha :laugh:
he has listened all of Eminem's albums and maybe he's still bumping them on a regular basis, we don't know.
anyway, Vader, Black eyed peas is hip hop :-X :oi: :rant: :stop: :baseballbat: :stir: :psych: :tosser: :bomb: :grumpy: :puke: :scarface: :loopaper: :spam: :banana_rock:
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LOL at Cypress doing gangster rap
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LOL at Cypress doing gangster rap
sure they´re a little alternative.... but still ;)
Ice T; Gansgter rap (Check; 1;15-1;33) ;) maybe you want to argue with Ice T? :laugh: :laugh:
http://www.youtube.com/v/HA37DD3vJIo&hl=en&fs=1
One of the forefathers.
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Cypress hill made a nigga understand, how i could just kill a man
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Vader you can also group Scarface, Geto Boys and 99% of Rap-A-Lot in that non hip hop category of gangster rap too. I know, I know, it is Houston, TX people but it is gangster as fuck out there and I heard Face talk about it so he is just as guilty as Cube. ;)
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Vader you can also group Scarface, Geto Boys and 99% of Rap-A-Lot in that non hip hop category of gangster rap too.
I know, I know, it is Houston, TX people but it is gangster as fuck out there and I heard Face talk about it so he is just as guilty as Cube. ;)
sure!!! Gangster rap is the bastard child of Hip Hop,the one we love to hate. :P
But fuck it,some of the best rap albums ever made is gangster rap.
Too Short once said,that except his first albums.... he took a consciousness move to NOT have scratching on his records because what he does ain't "Hip Hop".
;D
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LOL at Cypress doing gangster rap
I always thought they were gangster rappers? Have you heard their first album and second album? Pretty much gangster rap. Now they on some rock bullshit but back then they were talking bout guns, drugs, and all the other cliche gangster rap topics.
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LOL at Cypress doing gangster rap
I always thought they were gangster rappers? Have you heard their first album and second album? Pretty much gangster rap. Now they on some rock bullshit but back then they were talking bout guns, drugs, and all the other cliche gangster rap topics.
Ha me and Vader just fucking around.
I am probably one of the biggest Cypress Hill, Muggs, Soul Assassins, House Of Pain, Funkdoobiest, etc fan out there. Got ALL they albums. Yeah I consider most of they material gangsta rap but a good majority of it is smoking weed and tripping out on it. Then they also had alot of str8 hip hop tracks as well.
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My bad staying on topic, here is one of my selections for classics from the 2000's
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LOL at Cypress doing gangster rap
I always thought they were gangster rappers? Have you heard their first album and second album? Pretty much gangster rap. Now they on some rock bullshit but back then they were talking bout guns, drugs, and all the other cliche gangster rap topics.
Ha me and Vader just fucking around.
I am probably one of the biggest Cypress Hill, Muggs, Soul Assassins, House Of Pain, Funkdoobiest, etc fan out there. Got ALL they albums. Yeah I consider most of they material gangster rap but a good majority of it is smoking weed and tripping out on it. Then they also had alot of str8 hip hop tracks as well.
probably? you are.... :laugh:
Cypress has pretty much covered every genre of rap :P.... if I was to put a label on their music,I would call their music alternative gangster rap.
My favorite Cypress affiliate track (Muggs was in the group) ;)
7A3 - Why? produced by Johnny Rivers and Linda Never
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOFEbZxKuhM
Nah I have met some other DIE HARD cypress fans. Vader, how about Face's last 2 albums. Do you think either Made or Emeritus are classics or is it too early to say.
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I'm a big fan of Cypress Hill too, "Black Sunday" was my first rap CD ever. They do have a lot of "Gangsta" material but i still don't consider their music "Gangsta Rap". It's a shame how many people sleep on them on this forum, there's a few hardcore Cypress Hill fans here though but that's about it.
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Wow can some of you niggas learn the difference between a classic and albums that you just enjoy? No fuckin way should I be seeing Knoc-turn'al or DPG (other than Dogg Food) on here. Hell I love Joe Budden's music but you won't see me calling his album a fuckin classic.
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speaking of cypress hill, is it too early to call smoke n mirrors classic 8)?
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LOL at Cypress doing gangster rap
I always thought they were gangster rappers? Have you heard their first album and second album? Pretty much gangster rap. Now they on some rock bullshit but back then they were talking bout guns, drugs, and all the other cliche gangster rap topics.
Ha me and Vader just fucking around.
I am probably one of the biggest Cypress Hill, Muggs, Soul Assassins, House Of Pain, Funkdoobiest, etc fan out there. Got ALL they albums. Yeah I consider most of they material gangster rap but a good majority of it is smoking weed and tripping out on it. Then they also had alot of str8 hip hop tracks as well.
probably? you are.... :laugh:
Cypress has pretty much covered every genre of rap :P.... if I was to put a label on their music,I would call their music alternative gangster rap.
My favorite Cypress affiliate track (Muggs was in the group) ;)
7A3 - Why? produced by Johnny Rivers and Linda Never
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOFEbZxKuhM
The 7A3
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_7A3
7A3 was a hip hop group from California that released one album in 1988 called Coolin' in Cali. The group was composed of two brothers, Brett and Sean Bouldin,
and DJ Muggs, who later achieved greater fame with Cypress Hill.
The group's sole album and two of its singles performed moderately well on the U.S. charts.
A song of theirs, "Mad, Mad World", was released on the Colors soundtrack.
Nah I have met some other DIE HARD cypress fans. Vader, how about Face's last 2 albums.
Do you think either Made or Emeritus are classics or is it too early to say.
solid albums... but due to fact that he's from the south,his albums is for the most part overlooked. :-\ :-\
I bet when they're writing books about rap music's history in about 20-30 years,Scarface will be mentioned with few words :-\.
But if dude was from NYC or LA the story would look very different. :P :P :-\
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I'm going to say one straight up classic. Boy In Da Corner 8)
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Game changing classics,
Eminem Marshall Mather Lp
50 Get Rich or Die Trying
And, I want to say Kanye West 808s & Heartbreaks simply because this changed the game and paved the path for a bunch of new artists to emerge. Actually, West has had a huge influence on hip-hop that's to be untouched for the past 5 or so years. Carter 3 had a couple bad tracks for me to consider it a classic but it was def dope.
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^La La was god awful lol.
but for the most part, i was feelin' the rest of the album. 8)
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Game changing classics,
Eminem Marshall Mather Lp
50 Get Rich or Die Trying
And, I want to say Kanye West 808s & Heartbreaks simply because this changed the game and paved the path for a bunch of new artists to emerge. Actually, West has had a huge influence on hip-hop that's to be untouched for the past 5 or so years. Carter 3 had a couple bad tracks for me to consider it a classic but it was def dope.
I'd say Outkast need a certain amount of recognition for the rise of singer/rappers. Speakerbox/Love Below opened the door for groups like Gnarls Barkley and Madcon, whilst also pushing the boundaries for what was considered hip hop. Andre 3000 changed the whole game up with his fashion sense and style cause people realised you didn't have to be super gangster to sell records.
Blueprint or College Dropout should get recognition for the rival of sped up voice sampling and the bringing back of soul into rap music as well. But if we start saying 808s is a classic then why can't someone like Soulja Boy's Crank that song be called classic just cause it brought dances back to the scene. On the real i thought 808s was pretty poor. I don't mind people trying to push things forward but some of the songs were dull.
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speaking of cypress hill, is it too early to call smoke n mirrors classic 8)?
:-X
I'm going to say one straight up classic. Boy In Da Corner 8)
:) yup
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Game changing classics,
Eminem Marshall Mather Lp
50 Get Rich or Die Trying
And, I want to say Kanye West 808s & Heartbreaks simply because this changed the game and paved the path for a bunch of new artists to emerge. Actually, West has had a huge influence on hip-hop that's to be untouched for the past 5 or so years. Carter 3 had a couple bad tracks for me to consider it a classic but it was def dope.
I'd say Outkast need a certain amount of recognition for the rise of singer/rappers. Speakerbox/Love Below opened the door for groups like Gnarls Barkley and Madcon, whilst also pushing the boundaries for what was considered hip hop. Andre 3000 changed the whole game up with his fashion sense and style cause people realised you didn't have to be super gangster to sell records.
Blueprint or College Dropout should get recognition for the rival of sped up voice sampling and the bringing back of soul into rap music as well. But if we start saying 808s is a classic then why can't someone like Soulja Boy's Crank that song be called classic just cause it brought dances back to the scene. On the real i thought 808s was pretty poor. I don't mind people trying to push things forward but some of the songs were dull.
I agree about Outkast.
And, if we're talking about game changing then you're right Soulja Boy Crank Dat is classic. How can we deny what he help influenced? It is what it is and people can hate the kid but he changed the game.
I do find myself with mixed feelings. 808s wasn't really classic. My real point is that Kanye has had a huge influence on rap. Without him I doubt Jay would be as relevant as he is today. Likewise without Jay Kanye would never had blew up the way he did. So, I guess Blueprint was "classic" for it was the beginning of Jay's new ear and the beginning of Ye's career.
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classic = an album that has stood the test of time. Its too soon to judge this decade's albums as classics. don't believe me, well then look up the word classic in a fucking dictionary.
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the test of time?
lol!
that's only so true
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Here's two classics that weren't game changers
Lupe Fiasco's Food & Liquor
Common's Be
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classic = an album that has stood the test of time. Its too soon to judge this decade's albums as classics. don't believe me, well then look up the word classic in a fucking dictionary.
I'm pretty sure most declared the Chronic as a classic within a couple of years after it's release, same with 2001. I think that it's easy to judge the early part of this decade. I mean Blueprint, Stillmatic, Marshall Mathers LP, College Dropout are pretty common in the classic list of most people.
I will put a thread with voting for each one. At the end of voting, all albums that get more than 50% nominations will then be voted on for classic status by DubCC members. I'm thinking it'll have to be more than 75% of the votes to be a classic. I know in most places it's 100%, but I think with internet voters, you'll have too many haters and hell, not even The Chronic would get 100% of the votes 'cause some old Eazy E fan would hate on it.
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Xzibit - restless
Ice CUbe - Vol. 2 peace edition
Ghostface Killah - Supreme clientele
Eminem - Marshal Matters LP
These are classic no discussion
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Vader you can also group Scarface, Geto Boys and 99% of Rap-A-Lot in that non hip hop category of gangster rap too.
I know, I know, it is Houston, TX people but it is gangster as fuck out there and I heard Face talk about it so he is just as guilty as Cube. ;)
sure!!! Gangster rap is the bastard child of Hip Hop,the one we love to hate. :P
But fuck it,some of the best rap albums ever made is gangster rap.
Too Short once said,that except his first albums....
he took a consciousness move to NOT have scratching on his records because what he does ain't "Hip Hop".
;D
I like how Bun B put it;
Bun B interview in FC#17 2009
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Its important to separate "hip hop music" from "hip hop culture."
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lol, how Em is anything but a straight up mc i dont know
So what? MC doesn´t make you Hip Hop :P
Bun B interview in FC#17 2009
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Its important to separate "hip hop music" from "hip hop culture."
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lol, how Em is anything but a straight up mc i dont know
So what? MC doesn´t make you Hip Hop :P
Bun B interview in FC#17 2009
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2657/4056148863_42e031dee6.jpg)
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2495/4056156455_7368760028.jpg)
Its important to separate "hip hop music" from "hip hop culture."
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Just because you do not like eminem doesn't mean you have the right to try and take his effect/advancement in the game. That Bun B interview aint shit, because the general consensus of hip-hop is that there isn't any.Every motherfucker has there own definition for what is Hip-hop and rap.What makes a person real, what makes the person be the personification of it.
Anyways, people are listing classics the wrong way. Only a handful of these albums are classics. Doesn't mean the 1s that didn't make the list, its just these are the diamonds among the gems.
These are just a couple I'll use for example.
The Marshall Mathers LP
Get rich or Die trying
The Documentary
These 3 albums dominated, change the game, and introduced a new element into the game.
The Marshall Mathers LP dark, deep personal attitude, the introduction of "Stan" a term now widely used among fans/artist, driven by harsh controversy, refusal to buy into the hype. Eminem didn't try and make him self appear the most hardcore motherfucker on that album, he simply called them on the bullshit. Like the School Shooting of Columbine being a issue, now that it hit white middle America, even though school shootings have happened many times in the poorer areas, yet never get any coverage. His own personal issues, the his reflection of the critisims, Slim Shady had no appearance, nothing more then Eminem his thoughts on the events, and how the retrospective showed how hypocritical notion of our society. The album showed inner demons, witty wordplay unmatched, and topics no one else talked about at the time.
Get Rich or die trying, pretty much brought the entire Club scene that dominated rap. Lets face it, this is when hip-hop turned into shit. This album was so good, the entire industry took advantage and began producing club artist like crazy, the result is sad though. Despite the fact 50 Cents album is so good, its effects have become negative, now people only care about a club track. Nothing less nothing more. This influence is sorta like The Chronic. It dropped, and then everyone copied.
The Documentary, The Game's first album a certified classic, sure the club presence was there do to 50 cent, but the topics, the ambition, everything was there. The album brought back spotlight and brought attention to many west coast rappers who would of never gotten into the game. Though the fact this album never will be praised for its lyricism do to the constant name dropping, its effect in westcoast hip hop is evidence, with the new array of west coast rappers finally getting a chance to be show case. Only question is, who will capitalize off this new found spotlight, and who will become the next stepping stone into bring back West Coast rap back from the blacklist and get a chance of fairplay.
See, these albums Have reasons to be consider classic. Stillamitic, is good, but doesn't deserve it, cause it had no true lasting effect.
Album's like The Chronic, Illmatic, 2001 all had some effect in the game.
Honestly, seems people want to put any album as a classic, when in reality the album is nothing more then a great album that won't ever be deserved to be called a classic. someone should actually make a list lol I mean a very definiative list, because the Source is bullshit, its always been slanted towards the East Coast, and never gave West its proper respect. So fuck that bullshit media mag, and fuck the mother fucker who only calls albums a classic when someone else does.
Soulja Boy's Single "Crank Dat" is nothing more then a 1 hit wonder, that had no effect. All it did was represent how much lyricism, content, and meaning has been lost into hip-hop. It show's mainstream amerikkka's effect on hip-hop has is nothing more then detrimental to the genre and destroys its content for its true fanbase.
Honestly I was thinking about making a list, but then I thought Who'd give a shit?
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You think The Documentary had a bigger impact than Stillmatic? Stillmatic/Blueprint produced one of the biggest hip hop rivalries in years. It had a way bigger effect than Game's debut.
You talk about those albums like they are the holy grails of hip hop. But in reality there are many albums better than those 3.
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lol, how Em is anything but a straight up mc i don't know
So what? MC doesn't make you Hip Hop :P
Bun B interview in FC#17 2009
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2657/4056148863_42e031dee6.jpg)
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2495/4056156455_7368760028.jpg)
Its important to separate "hip hop music" from "hip hop culture."
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Just because you do not like eminem doesn't mean you have the right to try and take his effect/advancement in the game.
That Bun B interview ain't shit, because the general consensus of hip-hop is that there isn't any.
Every motherfucker has there own definition for what is Hip-hop and rap.
What makes a person real, what makes the person be the personification of it.
fine be stubborn,you know better than Bun-B. ;)
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You think The Documentary had a bigger impact than Stillmatic? Stillmatic/Blueprint produced one of the biggest hip hop rivalries in years. It had a way bigger effect than Game's debut.
You talk about those albums like they are the holy grails of hip hop. But in reality there are many albums better than those 3.
I don't really count a HIp-Hop rivalies as a impact unless the end result was something like the 2pac and biggie deal (Were when both died, west rap nearly died, and east coast took a hit).Besides I named a FEW not all. Illimatic redefined lyricism, wtf stillmatic do???? Not a damn thing, The 3 I mention had more impact in changing the game :/ like I said, they are still dope albums, but there impact is minimal to none.
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lol, how Em is anything but a straight up mc i don't know
So what? MC doesn't make you Hip Hop :P
Bun B interview in FC#17 2009
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2657/4056148863_42e031dee6.jpg)
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2495/4056156455_7368760028.jpg)
Its important to separate "hip hop music" from "hip hop culture."
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Just because you do not like eminem doesn't mean you have the right to try and take his effect/advancement in the game.
That Bun B interview ain't shit, because the general consensus of hip-hop is that there isn't any.
Every motherfucker has there own definition for what is Hip-hop and rap.
What makes a person real, what makes the person be the personification of it.
fine be stubborn,you know better than Bun-B. ;)
Since when does Bun-B speak for hip hop? I suppose you think he knows better than KRS-One? Blasphemy is right, every person in the rap game has a different opinion of what hip hop is. One rapper's opinion means squat.
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You think The Documentary had a bigger impact than Stillmatic? Stillmatic/Blueprint produced one of the biggest hip hop rivalries in years. It had a way bigger effect than Game's debut.
You talk about those albums like they are the holy grails of hip hop. But in reality there are many albums better than those 3.
I don't really count a HIp-Hop rivalies as a impact unless the end result was something like the 2pac and biggie deal (Were when both died, west rap nearly died, and east coast took a hit).Besides I named a FEW not all. Illimatic redefined lyricism, wtf stillmatic do???? Not a damn thing, The 3 I mention had more impact in changing the game :/ like I said, they are still dope albums, but there impact is minimal to none.
Everyone was talking about Stillmatic and Blueprint when they came out. It was a huge deal. Stillmatic alone revived Nas's career.
The Documentary didn't change the game. Neither did Get Rich or Die Tryin.
I still don't know why you mentioned The Documentary. It is non-notable, aside from Game being the only new west rapper to make it big at that time. That album isn't even talked about in general, only by west coast heads.
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lol, how Em is anything but a straight up MC i don't know
So what? MC doesn't make you Hip Hop :P
Bun B interview in FC#17 2009
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2657/4056148863_42e031dee6.jpg)
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2495/4056156455_7368760028.jpg)
Its important to separate "hip hop music" from "hip hop culture."
?
Just because you do not like eminem doesn't mean you have the right to try and take his effect/advancement in the game.
That Bun B interview ain't shit, because the general consensus of hip-hop is that there isn't any.
Every motherfucker has there own definition for what is Hip-hop and rap.
What makes a person real, what makes the person be the personification of it.
fine be stubborn,you know better than Bun-B. ;)
Since when does Bun-B speak for hip hop? I suppose you think he knows better than KRS-One?
Blasphemy is right, every person in the rap game has a different opinion of what hip hop is. One rapper's opinion means squat.
Speak for Hip Hop.... nah,but he speaks the truth.
KRS? KRS will support his words 100%.
Don't speak on shit you obviously don't know shit about.
You can't read yourself to Hip Hop....
Now,either you go out and learn what Hip Hop Really is or go back into your little pretend world and think Eminem,gangster rap and so is Hip Hop. ;)
Since you was so smart to bring KRS into the mix :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
I was there.... and where were you? ;) ;) ;)
http://www.youtube.com/v/6LBraR5bc6U&hl=en&fs=1
What a fantastic song ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D 8) 8) 8)
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lol, how Em is anything but a straight up MC i don't know
So what? MC doesn't make you Hip Hop :P
Bun B interview in FC#17 2009
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2657/4056148863_42e031dee6.jpg)
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2495/4056156455_7368760028.jpg)
Its important to separate "hip hop music" from "hip hop culture."
?
Just because you do not like eminem doesn't mean you have the right to try and take his effect/advancement in the game.
That Bun B interview ain't shit, because the general consensus of hip-hop is that there isn't any.
Every motherfucker has there own definition for what is Hip-hop and rap.
What makes a person real, what makes the person be the personification of it.
fine be stubborn,you know better than Bun-B. ;)
Since when does Bun-B speak for hip hop? I suppose you think he knows better than KRS-One?
Blasphemy is right, every person in the rap game has a different opinion of what hip hop is. One rapper's opinion means squat.
Speak for Hip Hop.... nah,but he speaks the truth.
KRS? KRS will support his words 100%.
Don't speak on shit you obviously don't know shit about.
You can't read yourself to Hip Hop....
Now,either you go out and learn what Hip Hop Really is or go back into your little pretend world and think Eminem,gangster rap and so is Hip Hop. ;)
Since you was so smart to bring KRS into the mix :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
I was there.... and where were you? ;) ;) ;)
http://www.youtube.com/v/6LBraR5bc6U&hl=en&fs=1
What a fantastic song ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D 8) 8) 8)
I like how some bitches think they KNOW what hip-hop is about just because Some guy talked about. When in reality ASK any mother fucker, some will agree, some will disagree.
And I talked about 50s album changing the game BECAUSE its club shit pretty much showed how sellable Hip-Hop can be. Which is why record companies pretty much pushed for Club tracks/club artist now, and the cost of Lyricism and content has reached the point were Soulja Boy has a board topping single. Game's album helpped West Coast return from the black list and years of obsecurity, I'm not saying it IS a classic, but it has SOME chance of being a classic.
Stillimatic may of revived Nas carrier, but what has he done since then??? Everyone sayS "well he made Hip-Hop is dead". Stillimatic didn't have any impact beyond his own carrier.It hasn't shown little to no Influnce, Jay Z's stuff has I'll admit. Now just because a album isn't a Classic doesn't mean its Not great, A great album stands out amongest the rest, but a Classic stands out, and Will Always stand out years after its release.
Despite the fact I hate 50, His ass will be talked about (his debut anyways) because his effect on the club game.
Nas will be remember for Illmatic,
Game will be remembered as the dude who helped gave the West a Second chance with his album.
and Vader you're hating on Eminem is making you appear nothing more then a Ignorant bitch. Track's like Stan, have shown its effect. You don't have to Like the mother fucker, but you have to give proper credit were credit is deserved. I hate that nigga 50, but like it or not his shit did have a effect. It showed just how commercialized and mainstream rap has become and was the start were Club tracks would eventually be the main thing of the album. Eventually this lead into were music was pretty much just developed for the ringtone market.
Eminem despite his failure of a album "Encore" has shown previously that he can handle himself as a MC. Tracks like Stan have cultivated a very refined hip-hop and its result echos through the industry.Anyone ridding on a mother fucker quickly became known as a "Stan".
Vader, despite the Interview you linked up, the fact is everyone has a different view of Hip-Hop, real, whats fake, and what's just plain bullshit and what's classic, and what's had a impact. The point is no one can define it for everyone.If you're honestly using KRs to support Bun Bs words, then you're nothing more then a fake mother fucker who NEEDS other people to tell them what's Hip-Hop, what it means, and who is or isn't. You're dumbass can't push that bullshit on me.
Fact is the 3 I listed, all had some impact for the game, it wasn't a huge defining, but it helped shaped it some what. Besides, I said "Reason to be considered" I never said they were. People listing great albums had no viable reasons. I listed 3 off the top off my head. 50s nor games album won't be a classic, Games maybe a West Coast classic do to its effect here, and 50s have a better chance, but neither can compare to The Marshall Mathers LP impact with in the genre.
There will probably only be a Few I mean a very few with the 2000s, simply because at the time the previous 1s we know are classics came at a different time. When Lyricism, content, meaning, were the first thing we thought about.
Illmatic came out, everyone stepped up there Lyrical game. Chronic Came out, everyone copied that lazy drawl, when Straight Outta Compton came out, Everyone decided fuck censorship and came with the real life shit, that people are dealing with. When Me Against The World hit, Everyone was trying to play the Me Against The World persona, and struggles and hardship.
The Marshall Mathers LP became 1 of the last albums to show Lyricism, content, and meaning before mainstream sounds and clubs became the main reason. Now all you see is niggaz making shit simply for cellphones.
Chances of us seeing a Truly great album like The Chronic, or Illmatic or Ready 2 Die in this era is rare.
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lol, how Em is anything but a straight up MC i don't know
So what? MC doesn't make you Hip Hop :P
Bun B interview in FC#17 2009
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2657/4056148863_42e031dee6.jpg)
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2495/4056156455_7368760028.jpg)
Its important to separate "hip hop music" from "hip hop culture."
?
Just because you do not like eminem doesn't mean you have the right to try and take his effect/advancement in the game.
That Bun B interview ain't shit, because the general consensus of hip-hop is that there isn't any.
Every motherfucker has there own definition for what is Hip-hop and rap.
What makes a person real, what makes the person be the personification of it.
fine be stubborn,you know better than Bun-B. ;)
Since when does Bun-B speak for hip hop? I suppose you think he knows better than KRS-One?
Blasphemy is right, every person in the rap game has a different opinion of what hip hop is. One rapper's opinion means squat.
Speak for Hip Hop.... nah,but he speaks the truth.
KRS? KRS will support his words 100%.
Don't speak on shit you obviously don't know shit about.
You can't read yourself to Hip Hop....
Now,either you go out and learn what Hip Hop Really is or go back into your little pretend world and think Eminem,gangster rap and so is Hip Hop. ;)
Since you was so smart to bring KRS into the mix :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
I was there.... and where were you? ;) ;) ;)
http://www.youtube.com/v/6LBraR5bc6U&hl=en&fs=1
What a fantastic song ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D 8) 8) 8)
Go check the interview where KRS One says that 50 Cent is hip hop because he comes with that hardcore street shit. ;D You really have no clue do you? One rapper says something is hip hop. One rapper will say it isn't hip hop. Do you know how many hip hop legends show love to Ice T and Ice Cube for being hip hop pioneers? (the two rappers who are the epitome of gangsta) There are rappers with more credibility than Bun B who say gangsta rap is definitely hip hop. That's just his one opinion. It doesn't fucking matter because opinions are like asshole and everyone has one.
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And I don't know why you are bringing up Eminem, but speaking of Eminem, another rapper your boy KRS One has given props to. You need to do your research concerning what rappers do or do not think is hip hop.
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lol, how Em is anything but a straight up MC i don't know
So what? MC doesn't make you Hip Hop :P
Bun B interview in FC#17 2009
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2657/4056148863_42e031dee6.jpg)
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2495/4056156455_7368760028.jpg)
Its important to separate "hip hop music" from "hip hop culture."
?
Just because you do not like eminem doesn't mean you have the right to try and take his effect/advancement in the game.
That Bun B interview ain't shit, because the general consensus of hip-hop is that there isn't any.
Every motherfucker has there own definition for what is Hip-hop and rap.
What makes a person real, what makes the person be the personification of it.
fine be stubborn,you know better than Bun-B. ;)
Since when does Bun-B speak for hip hop? I suppose you think he knows better than KRS-One?
Blasphemy is right, every person in the rap game has a different opinion of what hip hop is. One rapper's opinion means squat.
Speak for Hip Hop.... nah,but he speaks the truth.
KRS? KRS will support his words 100%.
Don't speak on shit you obviously don't know shit about.
You can't read yourself to Hip Hop....
Now,either you go out and learn what Hip Hop Really is or go back into your little pretend world and think Eminem,gangster rap and so is Hip Hop. ;)
Since you was so smart to bring KRS into the mix :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
I was there.... and where were you? ;) ;) ;)
http://www.youtube.com/v/6LBraR5bc6U&hl=en&fs=1
What a fantastic song ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D 8) 8) 8)
Go check the interview where KRS One says that 50 Cent is hip hop because he comes with that hardcore street shit. ;D You really have no clue do you?
One rapper says something is hip hop. One rapper will say it isn't hip hop.
Do you know how many hip hop legends show love to Ice T and Ice Cube for being hip hop pioneers? (the two rappers who are the epitome of gangster)
There are rappers with more credibility than Bun B who say gangster rap is definitely hip hop. That's just his one opinion.
It doesn't fucking matter because opinions are like asshole and everyone has one.
I used these rappers as examples. Should I used myself? Been there done that since late 83? (Breaker and Graff writer)...
Ice T and the West coast mixed their own cultural heritage with East coast hip hop.
Popping,they're own style of graf heavily inspired by Cholo writing and gangster rap.
The Radio Crew (Ice T and Chris "The Glove" Taylor one of Dr.Dre's co-producers troughout the years)
http://www.youtube.com/v/Q3Q8oTSnVME&hl=en&fs=1
T-Lok a LA Cholo graffiti
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Ice T got his feet planted in both camps,with his ties to NYC.
He knows his and tell you straight up 99% of these gangster rappers ain't Hip Hop.
and Vader you're hating on Eminem is making you appear nothing more then a Ignorant bitch.
Track's like Stan, have shown its effect. You don't have to Like the mother fucker, but you have to give proper credit were credit is deserved.
Stan is a brilliant track,hands down.
Vader, despite the Interview you linked up,
the fact is everyone has a different view of Hip-Hop, real, whats fake, and what's just plain bullshit and what's classic, and what's had a impact.
The point is no one can define it for everyone.
You really needs to go and know the ledge what Hip Hop is.
Hip Hop is what it is.... can't change that ;)
If you're honestly using KRS to support Bun Bs words, then you're nothing more then a fake mother fucker who NEEDS other people to tell them what's Hip-Hop, what it means, and who is or isn't. You're dumbass can't push that bullshit on me.
YOU brought in KRS to the mix ;)
That track is a anthem of mine..... cause I was there.... and where were you? ;D ;D ;D ;D
And I don't know why you are bringing up Eminem, but speaking of Eminem, another rapper your boy KRS One has given props to.
You need to do your research concerning what rappers do or do not think is hip hop.
Eminem is a very talented song writer. I give him props for that as well..... but Hip Hop nah....
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And I don't know why you are bringing up Eminem, but speaking of Eminem, another rapper your boy KRS One has given props to.
You need to do your research concerning what rappers do or do not think is hip hop.
Eminem is a very talented song writer. I give him props for that as well..... but in my opinion he's not Hip Hop....
fixed. But again, your personal opinion is as irrelevant as Bun B's. I've already pointed out, using your own criteria (rapper's opinions, in this case KRS-One's), how Eminem is in fact hip hop. This is one of the last guys you want to accuse of not being hip hop, considering he actually comes from the emcee culture of cyphers.
lmao, all your talk about what is and isn't hip hop and you can't even come up with even a definition of what it is. Its because its impossible. You can't draw lines. And what you were doing in 83 is meaningless to this discussion. How many times do I have to point out all the conflicting opinions of everyone who has ever been involved in hip hop? What Rakim considers hip hop is different than what KRS One considers hip hop. Which is different than what Rev Run considers hip hop, or what Nas considers hip hop. This isn't arguable, this is fact. So which one of these rapper's are you basing your views on exactly? Please indulge me, which one of these rapper's is speaking the truth about what is hip hop, since they all have different opinions? Whichever one you pick, you better make sure you do your research, as you already showed in the KRS One example that you really don't know what these rappers' views are.
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The Documentary, The Game's first album a certified classic, sure the club presence was there do to 50 cent, but the topics, the ambition, everything was there. The album brought back spotlight and brought attention to many west coast rappers who would of never gotten into the game. Though the fact this album never will be praised for its lyricism do to the constant name dropping, its effect in westcoast hip hop is evidence, with the new array of west coast rappers finally getting a chance to be show case. Only question is, who will capitalize off this new found spotlight, and who will become the next stepping stone into bring back West Coast rap back from the blacklist and get a chance of fairplay.
GRODT is a classic simply because of the influence of it, The Documentary isn't a classic it's practically the westcoast version of GRODT and who did it open the door for? Unless i'm forgetting somebody, all of the new west cats are getting pushed back or dropped, everyone on the WC is still waiting for what Dre's gonna do next. And i don't understand how you can say Stillmatic isn't a classic, it dropped in the middle of one of the biggest rap beefs ever, had one of the biggest diss tracks ever, revived Nas's career basically confirming that Nas is undeniably one of the GOATs. Since then he's dropped 4 above average albums, 2 of which created loads of controversy and he's still one of the biggest artists around today who hasn't gone commercial
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And I don't know why you are bringing up Eminem, but speaking of Eminem, another rapper your boy KRS One has given props to.
You need to do your research concerning what rappers do or do not think is hip hop.
Eminem is a very talented song writer. I give him props for that as well..... but in my opinion he's not Hip Hop....
fixed. But again, your personal opinion is as irrelevant as Bun B's. I've already pointed out, using your own criteria (rapper's opinions, in this case KRS-One's), how Eminem is in fact hip hop. This is one of the last guys you want to accuse of not being hip hop, considering he actually comes from the emcee culture of cyphers.
I never heard KRS say that....
I heard him speak on EM once at a show,all he said was;
Before Em came MC Serch :P
lmao, all your talk about what is and isn't hip hop and you can't even come up with even a definition of what it is. Its because its impossible. You can't draw lines. And what you were doing in 83 is meaningless to this discussion. How many times do I have to point out all the conflicting opinions of everyone who has ever been involved in hip hop? What Rakim considers hip hop is different than what KRS One considers hip hop. Which is different than what Rev Run considers hip hop, or what Nas considers hip hop. This isn't arguable, this is fact. So which one of these rapper's are you basing your views on exactly? Please indulge me, which one of these rapper's is speaking the truth about what is hip hop, since they all have different opinions? Whichever one you pick, you better make sure you do your research, as you already showed in the KRS One example that you really don't know what these rappers' views are.
OK,I'm going to be civilized. EM has done Hip Hop (his rabbit character and music on the 8Mile OST),other than that.... well,I wont bother to speak on it.
Definition?
Soak this knowledge up; ;)
The Wild Style movie (stream) (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4257690214845727133)
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Style Wars documentary (stream) (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5065949310221269915)
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The Freshest Kids (stream) (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9009689271565289237)
Study those... then maybe we can speak again.
Respect the pioneers,their artform and know the ledge ;)
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Game's album helpped West Coast return from the black list and years of obsecurity, I'm not saying it IS a classic, but it has SOME chance of being a classic.
not really
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Restless by Xzibit
The Last Meal by Snoop Dogg
Marshall Mathers LP by Eminem
Space Boogie by Kurupt
Music and Me by Nate Dogg
Get Rich Or Die Tryin' by 50 Cent
Devil's Night by D12
Blueprint by Jay-Z
Stillmatic by Nas
Stoned Raiders by Cypress Hill
Collage Dropout by Kanye West
Return Of The Regulater by Warren-G
Deliverance by Bubba Sparxx
Genesis by Busta Rhymes
Rip The Jaker by Canibus
Revolutionary Vol.2 by Immortal Technique
Dillinger & Young Gotti by The Dogg Pound
Cheers by Obbie Trice
Death is Certain by Royce Da 5'9''
Indecent Proposal by Timbaland&Magoo
Those are the one i can remember now.... I hope there are somebody never heard some of em... Hey my friend, if you never heard of any of em, its your lucky day, because you will listen a new classic hiphop album... You dont need to thank me then ;)
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Restless by Xzibit
The Last Meal by Snoop Dogg
Marshall Mathers LP by Eminem
Space Boogie by Kurupt
Music and Me by Nate Dogg
Get Rich Or Die Tryin' by 50 Cent
Devil's Night by D12
Blueprint by Jay-Z
Stillmatic by Nas
Stoned Raiders by Cypress Hill
Collage Dropout by Kanye West
Return Of The Regulater by Warren-G
Deliverance by Bubba Sparxx
Genesis by Busta Rhymes
Rip The Jaker by Canibus
Revolutionary Vol.2 by Immortal Technique
Dillinger & Young Gotti by The Dogg Pound
Cheers by Obbie Trice
Death is Certain by Royce Da 5'9''
Indecent Proposal by Timbaland&Magoo
This seems more likely, if we were to do a entire vote. Maybe Easier if people just Listed there reasons why a album should be classic. pick the best believed released of the 2000s, then review its impact and its content, and decide from there. :/
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A classic album in the 90's carries a different definition than a classic does in this decade. Hip hop and it's standing in the mainstream was different back then. Now it's a huge formulated money-making industry where labels won't just put out an promote anything. Only manufactured stuff with hot producers and big name guest appearances get the label-push and sales. The reason hip hop really thrived creatively in the 90's was that the labels did not set boundaries for themselves. All the labels that put out classics back in the day (Death Row, Def Jam, Rap-A-Lot, Jive, Tommy Boy, Loud, LaFace, etc.) were essentially indie labels with major-label backing for distribution/promotion. Your indie labels of today have no such luxury, and as a result the albums that are true classics don't get the exposure they deserve. Best example is Little Brother-The Listening. I think this album was classic from beginning to end, and can hold it's own with the 90's albums by Tribe, De La, Pete Rock. But, it didn't get much exposure beyond the internet and blog promotion. Matter of fact, the only reason I heard of it and checked it out was from ?uestlove's praise of the album on the okayplayer website. You can put albums by Cunninlynguists, Masta Ace, NYG'z in the same category. It's a different world, and the term "classic" doesn't evoke that same wow-factor when attributed to "mainstream" critically-acclaimed albums as it did to our 1990's favorites. But...I am hopeful that there just might be another 90's type-era of creativity. The 1990's for hip hop was kind of like the mid 1960's-late 1970's era of rock music. Then there was a period of decline (in the eyes of rock traditionalists) that saw domination by new wave and hair-metal bands....and then came Nirvana to kick off the grunge scene and basically end the 80's rock style, bringing a revival of the classic sound.
Hip hop now is in its new wave/hair-metal phase, where the mainstream is flooded with party-club music, image-conscious acts, and shallow lyrics. So the question is, who will be the Nirvana of hip-hop? Who will be the one to say "fuck the status quo" and get the public to come along for the ride? I hope we see it in the next couple of years, hip hop needs a game-changer quickly
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...and following that long, sorta off-topic post, here's my classics of the 2000's
Little Brother - The Listening
Eminem - MMLP
Talib Kweli & Hi-Tek are Reflection Eternal - Train Of Thought
Xzibit - Restless LP
DJ Quik - Under Tha Influence
Warren G - Return Of The Regulator
DPG aka Tha Dogg Pound - Dillinger & Young Gotti
Kanye West - College Dropout & Graduation
Q-Tip - The Renissance
Common - Like Water For Chocolate, Be & Finding Forever
Roots - The Tipping Point & Game Theory
Jay-Z - Blueprint & The Black Album
Nas - Stillmatic, God's Son, The Lost Tapes Vol. 1
Raekwon - OB4CL II
OutKast - Stankonia
Game - The Documentary
50 Cent - Get Rich or Die Trying
Lupe Fiasco - Food & Liquor
Honorable mentions:
Ludacris - Red Light District
Jay-Z - American Gangster
Busta Rhymes - The Big Bang
Outkast - Speakerboxxx/The Love Below
Nas - N.I._._.E.R. & Street's Disciple
Ice Cube - Laugh Now, Cry Later
Lupe Fiasco - The Cool
(Note-80% of the list was released from 2000-2004. For some reason this last half of the decade has been the worst in hip-hop thanks to crunk, auto-tune, and LMFAO/Black Eyed Peas-type club music)
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How the fuck did i forgot "Tha Last Meal", that's the last classic solo album that Snoop Dogg put out.
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I refute the Cool being a classic. Food & Liquor is but The Cool is a failed concept album. It's still a really dope album but it lacks cohesion and more or less follows the same formula Lupe put into action on his debut. Food & Liquor is Lupe's blueprint where as The Cool is just a dope follow up album.
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Also, my opinion on hip-hop is that it's grown beyond it's roots. Nothing can stay the same. It's adapted to other cultures, peoples, and music. It's expanded beyond it's original purpose (whatever that may be) and contains many different topics, subjects, and content. The 5 elements has been broken and has in many ways continued in various forms. Preservation of a culture is pathetic. It must change in order to grow. The og fresh people naturally become conservative in nature and thus they too become biased. The best lesson they can learn is to let go and appreciate what one likes while not worrying too much. What will be, will be.
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Also, my opinion on hip-hop is that it's grown beyond it's roots.
Nothing can stay the same. It's adapted to other cultures, peoples, and music.
It's expanded beyond it's original purpose (whatever that may be) and contains many different topics, subjects, and content.
The 5 elements has been broken and has expanded beyond it's original purpose (whatever that may be) and contains many different topics, subjects, and content.
The 5 elements has been broken and has in many ways continued in various forms.
Preservation of a culture is pathetic. It must change in order to grow.
The og fresh people naturally become conservative in nature and thus they too become biased.
The best lesson they can learn is to let go and appreciate what one likes while not worrying too much.
What will be, will be.
+1 It looks like you got the point. ;)