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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: RECOGNIZE187 on January 13, 2006, 11:19:31 AM
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don't know why it's takin so long...but it will be out in the begining of february...!!
They might perform it on grammys!
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too late, hurricane katrina is sooo fall 2005, we're over those bracelets too
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those people still need money...
and it's not only about katrina...it's a charity song...I HAVE THIS DREAM is the name !
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Man... He's so goddamn late with this, I was in doubt whether this was for the victims of Katrina or the tsunami at Christmas 2004.
Yeah, MJ shows us he's still a hard worker! ::)
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LMAO. It's not even gonna make money for the victims because this si old news and it doesn't move the public anymore. There's no point in releasing it except for entertainment value.
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yea.it's late...don't know what went wrong...but now he added keisha cole to the list!
i think it's gonna be one of the best songs he ever did!!!
it's good to hear some new MJ vocals...can't wait
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It will be a very good song, but the problem is he just took way too long. This should have been out last october.
Michael, according to reports, does actually seem to be straightening his life out. He's living in the middle east with that royal family, and they know how to make money and handle money. Michael has never had any knowledge of money his entire life, because he always had all he needed, until now. So he's got new management, new advisors, new friends, etc. and hopefully, HOPEFULLY, he'll be able to get his life turned around. there's some huge business deals about to go down with him, but most of them will probably be concentrated outside of the u.s. and not focused on his music. This charity single will be released on a foriegn label, for instance.
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Michael has never had any knowledge of money his entire life, because he always had all he needed, until now.
For a guy that knew nothing about money he sure did a heck of a job secretly outbidding McCartney for the Beatles' songs.
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michael was always smart when it came to business! that's why sony was so mad at him ...
Mike is really smart!
anyway people in the USA havent exactly forgot about katrina, but its not on the news anymore and there arent much updates on the welfare of the people stuck down there. hopefully the single will reawaken publics interest in helping!
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michael was always smart when it came to business! that's why sony was so mad at him ...
Mike is really smart!
anyway people in the USA havent exactly forgot about katrina, but its not on the news anymore and there arent much updates on the welfare of the people stuck down there. hopefully the single will reawaken publics interest in helping!
If, and I mean IF, it comes out in time for a Grammy performance then it won't be too late, but the song was slated for October, then Novemeber, then December, the forgotten, and now February. I wouldn't exactly be shocked if it's announced for March in a couple weeks. If it doesn't make it for the Grammys then he may as well wait for the one year anniversary. Either way it won't mean all that much but at least he'll have a reason to release it. He should just save it for the next disaster.
And I think Sony was more mad about the promotion of his post Thriller albums costing so much.
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Paul McCartney told Michael Jackson to buy up artist's catalogs so he could make money off the publishing, because at the time, that's what Paul was doing. Michael thought "o.k." then noticed that the Beatles catalog was actually on the market, he loved the Beatles, so he bid on it, and Paul decided not to match or top the bid.
All this animosity bullshit about Michael stealing something from Paul is nothing short of ignorance. At the time, Paul didn't want to pay what the catalog was worth, and he still doesn't want to pay what the catalog was worth. Paul McCartney owns the publishing rights of thousands and thousands of songs, and in fact has the largest private collection of OTHER ARTIST'S publishing rights in the known universe. Paul has absolutely nothing to bitch about, because what Michael is doing to him, Paul is doing to hundreds of other musicians.
As for Michael's business sense, he has made some good business deals in the past, but the man is horrible with money. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that he doesn't know what he's doing. If you have a career that has earned you likely 1 billion dollars over the past 25 years, and you have nothing left? You obviously don't know what the fuck you're doing.
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So, exactly how many artists are gonna be on the final version?
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Paul McCartney told Michael Jackson to buy up artist's catalogs so he could make money off the publishing, because at the time, that's what Paul was doing. Michael thought "o.k." then noticed that the Beatles catalog was actually on the market, he loved the Beatles, so he bid on it, and Paul decided not to match or top the bid.
All this animosity bullshit about Michael stealing something from Paul is nothing short of ignorance. At the time, Paul didn't want to pay what the catalog was worth, and he still doesn't want to pay what the catalog was worth. Paul McCartney owns the publishing rights of thousands and thousands of songs, and in fact has the largest private collection of OTHER ARTIST'S publishing rights in the known universe. Paul has absolutely nothing to bitch about, because what Michael is doing to him, Paul is doing to hundreds of other musicians.
As for Michael's business sense, he has made some good business deals in the past, but the man is horrible with money. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that he doesn't know what he's doing. If you have a career that has earned you likely 1 billion dollars over the past 25 years, and you have nothing left? You obviously don't know what the fuck you're doing.
We've had this exact debate before and I asked you to tell me how many personal friends did Paul secretly outbid and then makes them pay him to use their own songs? You dodged the question then like you probably will now. You have very little sense of right and wrong when it comes to people you personally admire, and it shows in all the other topics on this board. Brian Wilson could kidnap and rape children and you'd find away to put all the blame on the parents.
Of course this has nothing to do with the original claim that Jackson has no business sense. Jackson is more business than art. That's why he released the same album twice in Thriller then Bad.
"The album is called Bad because they couldn't fit 'Pathetic' on the cover". - Prince 1987.
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It's business. Fuck friends.
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If you have a career that has earned you likely 1 billion dollars over the past 25 years, and you have nothing left? You obviously don't know what the fuck you're doing.
LOL...u r readin too much tabloids!! do u really think he has nothing left??
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So, exactly how many artists are gonna be on the final version?
i think around 10...including r.kelly,keisha cole,snoop,jay- z, stevie wonder...
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It's business. Fuck friends.
Yeah, Here's the rationale, if there is any, in this idiot above's comments.
Lets say, Sikotic, that a house you used to own and live in, but SOLD 15 years ago, was on the market.
The owner of the house, that you used to live in, but sold, 15 years ago, wants 50 thousand dollars for it.
The house is likely worth 100 thousand dollars.
Now, you want to pay 45 thousand for it.
I buy it for 50 thousand.
You have the opportunity to bid more than 50 thousand, but say "No, I don't want to pay that much".
Am I an asshole for buying it? Hell no, that's business, you had your fair shot, it has nothing to do with whether we're friends of not. Only a fucking CHILD would think that Michael Jackson should just donate the songs back to Paul or whatever when Paul had all the opportunity in the world to buy them at the same time, and at the same fucking price!
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If you have a career that has earned you likely 1 billion dollars over the past 25 years, and you have nothing left? You obviously don't know what the fuck you're doing.
LOL...u r readin too much tabloids!! do u really think he has nothing left??
I think a majority of the money he has earned in his career is gone. He was lucky to buy a couple things that have rose in value, and today owns 3 things worth anything in the world.
His house is worth about 30 million dollars or so, he probably paid 15 or 20 for it, so he's made money on that.
His Beatles Catalogue has been merged with Sony/ATV publishing, and is likely worth 300 million dollars or so. He bought the Beatles Catalog for around 40 million dollars in the 80's, so that has grown immensely. He was also already paid 90 million dollars for it in the early 90's, for his half of each song that Sony aquired, but not only did they give him 90 million, they gave him half of their entire catalog. So that 40 million investment has already been returned and spent.
Last, he has his own music that he paid for and had recorded on his own dime over the years. Mijac productions I think it what he calls his own music catalog. Along with that he has a few royalties that he owns outright seperate from the Sony/ATV publishing deal, for instance he owns all of Charlie Chaplin's movies, and receives all the royalties from Charlie's stuff. Sony gave him that and some others as a kind of cookie plate on top of the above deal for half of his beatles catalog.
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Good to hear this is coming out.
Doesnt Michael own the right to the "happy birthday" song also ?
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It's business. Fuck friends.
Yeah, Here's the rationale, if there is any, in this idiot above's comments.
Lets say, Sikotic, that a house you used to own and live in, but SOLD 15 years ago, was on the market.
The owner of the house, that you used to live in, but sold, 15 years ago, wants 50 thousand dollars for it.
The house is likely worth 100 thousand dollars.
Now, you want to pay 45 thousand for it.
I buy it for 50 thousand.
You have the opportunity to bid more than 50 thousand, but say "No, I don't want to pay that much".
Am I an asshole for buying it? Hell no, that's business, you had your fair shot, it has nothing to do with whether we're friends of not. Only a fucking CHILD would think that Michael Jackson should just donate the songs back to Paul or whatever when Paul had all the opportunity in the world to buy them at the same time, and at the same fucking price!
You do realize that thanks to the Thriller Album and the fact that it was during the Regan boom that MJ had a lot more money than Paul, don't you? Recently McCartney has made a killing in tours but thanks to a not all that prosperous solo career and the fact that the Beatles never really toured major arena tours; also that he never owned the Baetles masters, he wasn't rich enough to outbid MJ. Remember how he had to try and joint buy the songs with Yoko? They don't even like eachother. Why would Paul doit with Yoko if he could do it alone?
No one is saying that MJ should have donated the songs back to him, but if MJ really is the full of love, child at heart, modern day Jesus like he wants to be known as then he would have just stayed out of the bidding. Saying it's only business is bullshit as an excuse. It's just a motto some asshole capitolist used to justify screwin over people to get money. Like when those fucking Ford plants pull out of a town and make everyone go broke because they can make the same cars for less money in Mexico, exploit the Mexicans and leave the hard working ex-employees who've worked for them for years in the shitter. Just say you're fucking asshole who cares more about money than decency. Don't use the it's only business excuse. Only people brainwashed by current society buy into that. You know what those pimps in Milan and Phillipines say that sell the sex service of young children to pedophiles? It's just business. Fuck them and fuck anyone that agrees with that. Michael Jackson is as much a dick and Tommy Mottola, but at least Tommy Mottola doesn't go on stage in a Jesus robe and have kids swarm to him like he's some sort of holy man.
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michael Jackson is too busy handling hostage situation with the kid.
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how long can a man take to make 1 song?! ???
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It's business. Fuck friends.
Yeah, Here's the rationale, if there is any, in this idiot above's comments.
Lets say, Sikotic, that a house you used to own and live in, but SOLD 15 years ago, was on the market.
The owner of the house, that you used to live in, but sold, 15 years ago, wants 50 thousand dollars for it.
The house is likely worth 100 thousand dollars.
Now, you want to pay 45 thousand for it.
I buy it for 50 thousand.
You have the opportunity to bid more than 50 thousand, but say "No, I don't want to pay that much".
Am I an asshole for buying it? Hell no, that's business, you had your fair shot, it has nothing to do with whether we're friends of not. Only a fucking CHILD would think that Michael Jackson should just donate the songs back to Paul or whatever when Paul had all the opportunity in the world to buy them at the same time, and at the same fucking price!
Exactly. I really doubt Paul is sufferring financially anyways. He probably has a better financial standing than Michael at this point.
And Shallow, the whole analogy between MJ/McCartney and the Ford plants are a bit far fetched. A bunch of blue collar workers getting fucked over by a company doesn't even compare to two wealthy artists bidding large amounts of money over songs that will add on to their wealth.
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It's business. Fuck friends.
Yeah, Here's the rationale, if there is any, in this idiot above's comments.
Lets say, Sikotic, that a house you used to own and live in, but SOLD 15 years ago, was on the market.
The owner of the house, that you used to live in, but sold, 15 years ago, wants 50 thousand dollars for it.
The house is likely worth 100 thousand dollars.
Now, you want to pay 45 thousand for it.
I buy it for 50 thousand.
You have the opportunity to bid more than 50 thousand, but say "No, I don't want to pay that much".
Am I an asshole for buying it? Hell no, that's business, you had your fair shot, it has nothing to do with whether we're friends of not. Only a fucking CHILD would think that Michael Jackson should just donate the songs back to Paul or whatever when Paul had all the opportunity in the world to buy them at the same time, and at the same fucking price!
Exactly. I really doubt Paul is sufferring financially anyways. He probably has a better financial standing than Michael at this point.
And Shallow, the whole analogy between MJ/McCartney and the Ford plants are a bit far fetched. A bunch of blue collar workers getting fucked over by a company doesn't even compare to two wealthy artists bidding large amounts of money over songs that will add on to their wealth.
I was just using an example of "just business".
Let's say you and me were good friends and we were both recording artists and I got a good deal with my songs where I owned them all but you got a shit deal and signed a contract that gave the rights to the songs you wrote to someone else. Now that someone else goes out of business and outs your songs up for sale and you plan on buying them, and I secretly outbid you since I have more money and you cannot match what I can pay. Then not only do I go behind your back and take your songs but when you go on tour and sing your songs you have to pay me to play them. Would you consider me a good person or good friend? Would you still come over and hang out?
I don't feel bad for Paul McCartney at all. He has more money than MJ does now. What bothers me is the praise a guy like Jackson gets as far as his "good heart" goes. People with "pure" hearts don't pull shit like that. If Michael Jackson presented himself as a ruthless businessman like Motolla or Don King then I wouldn't give a shit. When Don King screws over his boxers it's the boxer's fault for ignoring the blatant facts because Don King is a straight up business man who makes no excuses. Michael Jackson does not present himself as such. He shows off his good nature every chance he gets like he's above you as a human being. If you are going to act like you're above someone then you better be the Dalai Lama as far as how you treat all people goes.
If MJ came out tomorrow and said "I'm a dick who screws over people and gives to charity for publicity" then I would be his biggest fan, because I would respect his honesty while his goofball fans would feel betrayed. Look at the topic of thois thread; it's about a song MJ was so quick to announce but had no idea when he would finish it. He didn't even write the song yet and he was already bragging about it.
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how long can a man take to make 1 song?! ???
well dr.dre is makin 1 album for around 8 years...!
it's not like he is working on tha song all day everry day..he has other things to do in his life...he recorded his vocals a few months ago in london for it...so i don't know...the beat was done months ago,vocals were recorded also...he had to wait for all the artists to record their parts...maybe that was the problem...