West Coast Connection Forum
Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: M Dogg™ on January 14, 2006, 06:07:26 AM
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Now this title has been around since 1901, so I refuse to list all the champions, but I thought it would be fun to at least see how the title is in Kurt Angle's hands in the WWE. His the only wrestler today worthy of it's legacy.
George Hackenschmidt won a tournarment in Europe to become the World Champion in 1901.
Frank Gotch defeats George Hackenschmidt in 1908
First sign it's all not real in 1929, Gus Sonnenberg, Recognition withdrawn by the wrestling section of National Boxing Association in 1929 for failing to meet "real" contenders.
Jim Londos retires as World Champion, different "World" Titles emerge.
Lou Thesz Unifies the titles, defeating Bill Longson for the National Wrestling Association title in 1948, awarded the National Wrestling Alliance (NWA) title when Orville Brown is in an automobile accident in 1949, defeats A.W.A. (Boston) World Heavyweight champion Gorgeous George in 1950, and gains the Los Angeles Olympic Auditorium version of the world title, defeating Baron Michele Leone in 1952. The NWA becomes the Undisputed World Championship
Edouard Carpentier defeats Lou Thesz by disqualification in 1957; NWA initially continues to recognize Carpentier as the champion; however, Carpentier withdraws his claim to the title when Montreal promoter Eddie Quinn leaves NWA; NWA voids all recognition of Carpentier as champion; Carpentier continues to be recognized as world champion in Omaha and by World Wrestling Association in Los Angeles to legitimate the lineages of their world titles. Omaha unifies with the AWA Title in 1963 to give the AWA World Title status, WWA goes out of business 1968, AWA in 1990.
Lou Thesz beats Buddy Rogers in 1962, but the WWWF (now WWE) refuses to regonize the "one fall" lost. Buddy Rogers is regonized as the first WWWF World Champion.
Ric Flair is stripped of the NWA World Title when he joins the WWF in 1991.
Masahiro Chono beats Rick Rude in Japan to become the NWA World Champion in 1992.
Ric Flair defeats Barry Windham to become NWA World Champion. WCW leaves the NWA and the NWA Title becomes the WCW International Championship in 1993.
WCW Champion Ric Flair beats WCW International Champion Sting to Unify the Titles and give the WCW title World Title status. They keep the old NWA Title.
Hollywood Hulk Hogan defeats the Giant in 1996, he spray paints the belt and declairs himself nWo World Champion.
Booker T deafeats Scott Steiner in 2001, the WWF buys WCW and Booker T continues his reign as WCW Champion.
The Rock defeats Chris Jericho in 2001, after WCW is no more the Title goes back to being called the World Championship.
Chris Jericho beats The World Champion The Rock and the WWF Champion Steve Austin to Unify the World Titles for the first time since Lou Thesz in 2001.
Triple H is award the World Title after Brock Leasner refuses the Title on the Raw brand of the now WWE. The titles are now the WWE World Championship and the World Heavyweight Championship in 2002.
Kurt Angle wins 20 man battle royal to become World Champship in 2006. :D
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You forgot the greatest champion to ever hold it, Hollywood Hulk Hogan. Remember him? He was the one who spraypainted "NWO" across the front of it and wore it like that every week.
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You forgot the greatest champion to ever hold it, Hollywood Hulk Hogan. Remember him? He was the one who spraypainted "NWO" across the front of it and wore it like that every week.
I'll put that in I guess.
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You forgot the greatest champion to ever hold it, Hollywood Hulk Hogan. Remember him? He was the one who spraypainted "NWO" across the front of it and wore it like that every week.
I'll put that in I guess.
Actually Hogan never held it. WCW split from the NWA in '93 and everyone who held the belt in WCW after that was holding the WCW belt, not the NWA Title. And the NWA Title didn't officially start until 1948. Lou Thesz was probably with out a doubt it's greatest champion since he gave it more legitimacy than any one in the last few eras. Hogan, Flair, Austin, or Rock were never seen as legit sports stars and never had public dinner with the President of the United States. None of them were seen as legit fighters either. Thesz could work a match but he could also hook and shoot wit the best of them. Obviously so can Angle but he doesn't hav ethe public recognition that Thesz had, of course that's more the fault of the way the business is presented these days.
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First sign it's all not real in 1929, Gus Sonnenberg, Recognition withdrawn by the wrestling section of National Boxing Association in 1929 for failing to meet "real" contenders.
back in 1929 some realized it real. Lou Thesz was past that.
Also, In 1993, WCW left the NWA, but they held the linage, as the NWA Title was put in a tournarment in the ECW area, and then thrown down, and then a tournament in Japan was held, and eventually Steve Cornino held the title and was stript because TNA won legal rights to the NWA title. Since the NWA title has left WCW, their is no linage to the title that Lou Thesz had, but the WCW title did hold that linage. The title TNA has is only by name, and through tournarments, and stripping champions, there is no real connection.
As for Lou Thesz, when he held the title, most people believed it was real. It was still a secret. I doubted the National Boxing Association even wasted it's time to tell the world. Lou Thesz basically was a huge draw around the country, and each promotion wanted to be associated with that. Since Lou Thesz, each promotion holds it's linage to him. The old World Title died in 1938 when Jim Londos. It's kind of like boxing, once a undisputed champ retires, it takes a strong champ to unify the titles again, and Lou Thesz did that, and the NWA became the main title off this.
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Now this title has been around since 1901, so I refuse to list all the champions, but I thought it would be fun to at least see how the title is in Kurt Angle's hands in the WWE. His the only wrestler today worthy of it's legacy.
George Hackenschmidt won a tournarment in Europe to become the World Champion in 1901.
Frank Gotch defeats George Hackenschmidt in 1908
First sign it's all not real in 1929, Gus Sonnenberg, Recognition withdrawn by the wrestling section of National Boxing Association in 1929 for failing to meet "real" contenders.
Jim Londos retires as World Champion, different "World" Titles emerge in 1938.
Lou Thesz Unifies the titles, defeating Bill Longson for the National Wrestling Association title in 1948, awarded the National Wrestling Alliance (NWA) title when Orville Brown is in an automobile accident in 1949, defeats A.W.A. (Boston) World Heavyweight champion Gorgeous George in 1950, and gains the Los Angeles Olympic Auditorium version of the world title, defeating Baron Michele Leone in 1952. The NWA becomes the Undisputed World Championship
Edouard Carpentier defeats Lou Thesz by disqualification in 1957; NWA initially continues to recognize Carpentier as the champion; however, Carpentier withdraws his claim to the title when Montreal promoter Eddie Quinn leaves NWA; NWA voids all recognition of Carpentier as champion; Carpentier continues to be recognized as world champion in Omaha and by World Wrestling Association in Los Angeles to legitimate the lineages of their world titles. Omaha unifies with the AWA Title in 1963 to give the AWA World Title status, WWA goes out of business 1968, AWA in 1990.
Lou Thesz beats Buddy Rogers in 1962, but the WWWF (now WWE) refuses to regonize the "one fall" lost. Buddy Rogers is regonized as the first WWWF World Champion.
Ric Flair is stripped of the NWA World Title when he joins the WWF in 1991.
Masahiro Chono beats Rick Rude in Japan to become the NWA World Champion in 1992.
Ric Flair defeats Barry Windham to become NWA World Champion. WCW leaves the NWA and the NWA Title becomes the WCW International Championship in 1993.
WCW Champion Ric Flair beats WCW International Champion Sting to Unify the Titles and give the WCW title World Title status. They keep the old NWA Title.
Hollywood Hulk Hogan defeats the Giant in 1996, he spray paints the belt and declairs himself nWo World Champion.
Booker T deafeats Scott Steiner in 2001, the WWF buys WCW and Booker T continues his reign as WCW Champion.
The Rock defeats Chris Jericho in 2001, after WCW is no more the Title goes back to being called the World Championship.
Chris Jericho beats The World Champion The Rock and the WWF Champion Steve Austin to Unify the World Titles for the first time since Lou Thesz in 2001.
Triple H is award the World Title after Brock Leasner refuses the Title on the Raw brand of the now WWE. The titles are now the WWE World Championship and the World Heavyweight Championship in 2002.
Kurt Angle wins 20 man battle royal to become World Champship in 2006. :D
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You also forgot that Triple H got beat by Benoit at Wrestlemania, then after that Randy Orton beat Benoit, then he faced Triple H and lost making Triple H champ again, then he faced Batista and lost, and finally Batista was forced to resign as champ, then Kurt Angle won the battle royal
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Hogan won it again in there somewhere.
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First sign it's all not real in 1929, Gus Sonnenberg, Recognition withdrawn by the wrestling section of National Boxing Association in 1929 for failing to meet "real" contenders.
back in 1929 some realized it real. Lou Thesz was past that.
Also, In 1993, WCW left the NWA, but they held the linage, as the NWA Title was put in a tournarment in the ECW area, and then thrown down, and then a tournament in Japan was held, and eventually Steve Cornino held the title and was stript because TNA won legal rights to the NWA title. Since the NWA title has left WCW, their is no linage to the title that Lou Thesz had, but the WCW title did hold that linage. The title TNA has is only by name, and through tournarments, and stripping champions, there is no real connection.
As for Lou Thesz, when he held the title, most people believed it was real. It was still a secret. I doubted the National Boxing Association even wasted it's time to tell the world. Lou Thesz basically was a huge draw around the country, and each promotion wanted to be associated with that. Since Lou Thesz, each promotion holds it's linage to him. The old World Title died in 1938 when Jim Londos. It's kind of like boxing, once a undisputed champ retires, it takes a strong champ to unify the titles again, and Lou Thesz did that, and the NWA became the main title off this.
The lineage does not exist. The WCW was created in '91 and the NWA title became the WCW International Title when WCW severed all ties to the NWA. When Shane Douglas won the belt and then threw it away and named it the ECW Title, the NWA belt was vacant until Chris Candido won another tournament later in '94. It was also vacant from '95 to '99 I believe, and now the lineage is in TNA and Jeff Jarrertt has the title.
I realize that Lou Thesz's matches were works, what I meant was he was also a legit wrestler and not just a draw. Londos was a guy who was more popular than he was good at real wrestling. Thesz was the perfect mix of all three; drawing, working, and shooting. In those days a champ had to be able to hook and shoot because of the threat that a territory would try and beat the champ legit in front of the crowd and take the title. With THesz the only guys that good beat him legit were Stu Hart, Danny Hodge and a few others and they were stand up guys. Usually Thesz wouldn't face a threat because he was so good.
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What about David Arquette :D
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What about David Arquette :D
Fortunately that was the WCW belt and not the prestigious NWA Title. He was the best celebrity champion though.
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First sign it's all not real in 1929, Gus Sonnenberg, Recognition withdrawn by the wrestling section of National Boxing Association in 1929 for failing to meet "real" contenders.
back in 1929 some realized it real. Lou Thesz was past that.
Also, In 1993, WCW left the NWA, but they held the linage, as the NWA Title was put in a tournarment in the ECW area, and then thrown down, and then a tournament in Japan was held, and eventually Steve Cornino held the title and was stript because TNA won legal rights to the NWA title. Since the NWA title has left WCW, their is no linage to the title that Lou Thesz had, but the WCW title did hold that linage. The title TNA has is only by name, and through tournarments, and stripping champions, there is no real connection.
As for Lou Thesz, when he held the title, most people believed it was real. It was still a secret. I doubted the National Boxing Association even wasted it's time to tell the world. Lou Thesz basically was a huge draw around the country, and each promotion wanted to be associated with that. Since Lou Thesz, each promotion holds it's linage to him. The old World Title died in 1938 when Jim Londos. It's kind of like boxing, once a undisputed champ retires, it takes a strong champ to unify the titles again, and Lou Thesz did that, and the NWA became the main title off this.
The lineage does not exist. The WCW was created in '91 and the NWA title became the WCW International Title when WCW severed all ties to the NWA. When Shane Douglas won the belt and then threw it away and named it the ECW Title, the NWA belt was vacant until Chris Candido won another tournament later in '94. It was also vacant from '95 to '99 I believe, and now the lineage is in TNA and Jeff Jarrertt has the title.
I realize that Lou Thesz's matches were works, what I meant was he was also a legit wrestler and not just a draw. Londos was a guy who was more popular than he was good at real wrestling. Thesz was the perfect mix of all three; drawing, working, and shooting. In those days a champ had to be able to hook and shoot because of the threat that a territory would try and beat the champ legit in front of the crowd and take the title. With THesz the only guys that good beat him legit were Stu Hart, Danny Hodge and a few others and they were stand up guys. Usually Thesz wouldn't face a threat because he was so good.
Please... going down the line at who won, the WCW title was the real World Title.
From Thesz, Angle is the perfect champion to carry that legacy. No one in TNA can. Besides, what's left of the current "NWA" title has been bastarded by Shane Douglas, and more resently the Jarretts going to court to get the NWA title, stripping Dan Severn (my bad earlier, I double checked and it was Severn they stripped). The WCW Title was the NWA Title based off what went on in the ring. The current "NWA" title has had to be restarted 3 times since WCW left the NWA with Flair holding the title. WCW was around prior to '91, and was the main promotion the NWA title was defeated in. But remember, the NWA title at the time was defeated in different promotion. Like before, the Mid-West area was the dominated area because of Harely Race, so it was defended there. In the 90's, it because in Georga, which became WCW were Ric Flair wrestled. WCW decided that they needed the title to themselves, so they left the NWA. Ric Flair who is NWA Champion at the time was not stripped of the title, instead becomes WCW International title, because the NWA championship was also being defeated in Japan. The NWA tries to restarted the title in ECW, even having the old title before the big gold 80's belt, but ends up having Shane Douglas throw the title down and declair himseld ECW World Champion, and so another tournarment happens, and that NWA title is defeated around the world by Dan The Beast Severn, Sabu and Steve Cornino. The the Jarretts won the title for TNA in court, as they sued for the title, and claimed Severn couldn't defeat the title in of all places, Alabama? Severn was defeating in Japan, so they stripped him and had a battle royal in TNA to declair a new champion. That's not how a lineage should be carried. Ric Flair never lost the title, and from that, the WCW title was the legit title. If it wasn't, the WWE would have trashed the World Title along time ago, but it's too valuable to not have. TNA may try, but they are a second rank federation that had to use court to gain just an once of creditability as they are not even on WWE's level.
Greatest champions in terms of in ring, Lou Thesz, Harely Race, Ric Flair, Bret Hart, Triple H and Kurt Angle. David Arquette and Vince Russo just showed how much WCW was sucking, and it tanted the legacy of the World Title, but with people like Triple H and Kurt Angle holding the title, real workers are bring back the title than now in on the greatest shoot wrester this sport has ever seen. Ask Brock Lesner.
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I'm not arguing who as the more credible champion; WWE or TNA. I'm simply saying the NWA Title is not the one Angle is wearing right now. And as for TNA ruining it's legacy, nothing can ever be as bad as putting a belt on Arquette. And no matter what TNA does I will always say I'm glad the Thesz belt was not the belt Arquette had. Obviously Angle is a more credible champion than Jarrett, but thanks to rape angles, trashing troops, and a whole bunch of other shit, he'll never be remembered like Thesz.
WWE doesn't give a shit about tradition. I think the only reason the belt was held so high was because it was Flair's belt and Hunter wanted to run with it. We all know how much Hunter loves Flair and how much stroke he has in the company. It doesn't hurt that the belt looks amazing.
As for shooters, I don't think Angle has the submission skills to compete with too many old timers like Gotch. We saw how well Angle did against Puder. Angle is a great takedown wrestler, and he could probably throw a hell of a punch but he isn't a boxer and he isn't a submission fighter. Severn could probably beat Angle; Shamrock, Stu Hart, and Danny Hodge would fucking destroy Angle.
As for the great workers holding the title, outside of Dusty and Von Erich you could probably take any NWA World Champion pre '89 and put them right up there with the best. I think HBK is better in ring career vs career than HHH and Angle, and Benoit is better than all three. But all 4 are great workers.
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Booker T= 5 time! 5 time! 5 time! 5 time! 5 time! WCW world heavyweight champion!
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Booker T= 5 time! 5 time! 5 time! 5 time! 5 time! WCW world heavyweight champion!
LOL!!!!!
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Too bad it will probably stay that way for the Book :(
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whatever happened to lex luger?
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whatever happened to lex luger?
after Elizabeth died, basically his backballed from wrestling. not even his former best friend Sting likes him
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I'm not arguing who as the more credible champion; WWE or TNA. I'm simply saying the NWA Title is not the one Angle is wearing right now. And as for TNA ruining it's legacy, nothing can ever be as bad as putting a belt on Arquette. And no matter what TNA does I will always say I'm glad the Thesz belt was not the belt Arquette had. Obviously Angle is a more credible champion than Jarrett, but thanks to rape angles, trashing troops, and a whole bunch of other shit, he'll never be remembered like Thesz.
WWE doesn't give a shit about tradition. I think the only reason the belt was held so high was because it was Flair's belt and Hunter wanted to run with it. We all know how much Hunter loves Flair and how much stroke he has in the company. It doesn't hurt that the belt looks amazing.
As for shooters, I don't think Angle has the submission skills to compete with too many old timers like Gotch. We saw how well Angle did against Puder. Angle is a great takedown wrestler, and he could probably throw a hell of a punch but he isn't a boxer and he isn't a submission fighter. Severn could probably beat Angle; Shamrock, Stu Hart, and Danny Hodge would fucking destroy Angle.
As for the great workers holding the title, outside of Dusty and Von Erich you could probably take any NWA World Champion pre '89 and put them right up there with the best. I think HBK is better in ring career vs career than HHH and Angle, and Benoit is better than all three. But all 4 are great workers.
TNA fans.. ::)
The NWA title that you cheered for ended when WCW left and took the title. Then the TRUE NWA tradition ended when they stripped Dan Severn. The WWE holds the true World Title, and they should reunited the titles.
As for Angle, he took down Brock Lesner, his a gold medal winner, and I doubt any former wrestler can out wrestle Angle, or beat him in a shoot fight. Put him in UFC, and people are tapping. His beaten real wrestling legends, and he can out work anyone today. His better than HBK, and this is coming from an HBK fan. His better than Benoit, though I consider them the two best, and I think they should have Angle wrestle Japanese wrestlers to truly define his reign. Angle will go down as the best of our generation, like Hart in the 90's. Flair in the 80's, Race in the 70's, Sammartino in the 60's and Thesz in the 50's. Hate it or Love it.
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What about Stone Cold? I heard he was a badass collegiate wrestler? Plus you know he can throw blows, plus he would sratch, bite, claw his way to a win, he was definitely my favorite
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Who do you all think was the MOST popular wrestler ever, in terms of the ring? I think Hulk Hogan would take that title, Sting and Batista would be right behind
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I'm not arguing who as the more credible champion; WWE or TNA. I'm simply saying the NWA Title is not the one Angle is wearing right now. And as for TNA ruining it's legacy, nothing can ever be as bad as putting a belt on Arquette. And no matter what TNA does I will always say I'm glad the Thesz belt was not the belt Arquette had. Obviously Angle is a more credible champion than Jarrett, but thanks to rape angles, trashing troops, and a whole bunch of other shit, he'll never be remembered like Thesz.
WWE doesn't give a shit about tradition. I think the only reason the belt was held so high was because it was Flair's belt and Hunter wanted to run with it. We all know how much Hunter loves Flair and how much stroke he has in the company. It doesn't hurt that the belt looks amazing.
As for shooters, I don't think Angle has the submission skills to compete with too many old timers like Gotch. We saw how well Angle did against Puder. Angle is a great takedown wrestler, and he could probably throw a hell of a punch but he isn't a boxer and he isn't a submission fighter. Severn could probably beat Angle; Shamrock, Stu Hart, and Danny Hodge would fucking destroy Angle.
As for the great workers holding the title, outside of Dusty and Von Erich you could probably take any NWA World Champion pre '89 and put them right up there with the best. I think HBK is better in ring career vs career than HHH and Angle, and Benoit is better than all three. But all 4 are great workers.
TNA fans.. ::)
The NWA title that you cheered for ended when WCW left and took the title. Then the TRUE NWA tradition ended when they stripped Dan Severn. The WWE holds the true World Title, and they should reunited the titles.
As for Angle, he took down Brock Lesner, his a gold medal winner, and I doubt any former wrestler can out wrestle Angle, or beat him in a shoot fight. Put him in UFC, and people are tapping. His beaten real wrestling legends, and he can out work anyone today. His better than HBK, and this is coming from an HBK fan. His better than Benoit, though I consider them the two best, and I think they should have Angle wrestle Japanese wrestlers to truly define his reign. Angle will go down as the best of our generation, like Hart in the 90's. Flair in the 80's, Race in the 70's, Sammartino in the 60's and Thesz in the 50's. Hate it or Love it.
I'm not saying the current NWA Title is on the best champ in the country. I'm just saying that it is the NWA Title and their is no disputing that. Whether Angle is a better champ than Jarrett is not the issue. Of course Angle is better than Jarrett. But the belt around Angle's waist is the Flair belt. The belt around Jarrett's waist is tge Flair, Race, Funk, Thesz belt.
Angle knows no real submissions. He's an amateur wrestler. Not a submission fighter. A guy like Fedor would kill him. Hell even Daniel Puder had him beat and the ref had to save him from the key lock. Danny Hodge was screwed out of a Gold Medal and won dilver in the '56 Olympics. Angle won a contraversial Gold Medal in a home country Olympics. Danny Hodge was also the number 1 ranked amateur boxer in the country, and he is among the top submission fighters. No way could Angle beat him.
And Angle is great, but career for career Benoit is better. Angle doesn't have the psychology Benoit has.
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Angle is a bigger draw, better REAL wrestler, and his got more world titles than Benoit.
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Jesus Christ, now you're contesting the legitimacy of Angle's gold medal. Unbelievable.
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Jesus Christ, now you're contesting the legitimacy of Angle's gold medal. Unbelievable.
we must all know WWE is the worst wrestling ever... lol.
This kid is crazy. Smarts... gotta love them
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Angle is a bigger draw, better REAL wrestler, and his got more world titles than Benoit.
I never disagreed with any of that. I just said Benoit was the better worker career vs career.
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Jesus Christ, now you're contesting the legitimacy of Angle's gold medal. Unbelievable.
Have you seen the match?
And M Dogg; The word is "Smark".
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As a matter of fact, I did see the match live in 1996. I had no idea who Angle was at the time, but I remember the guy who wrestled and after he won cried like a baby.
To my recollection, there was no controversy surrounding his victory. I think you just wanna take away any credibility Angle has to make your point valid.
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As a matter of fact, I did see the match live in 1996. I had no idea who Angle was at the time, but I remember the guy who wrestled and after he won cried like a baby.
To my recollection, there was no controversy surrounding his victory. I think you just wanna take away any credibility Angle has to make your point valid.
Okay. I'll send you the match. I'm not saying Angle lost. I'm saying it could have went either way and if they weren't in the US Angle may have lost. You can judge for yourself. But one thing is for sure; it was not a clear cut victory.
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I saw it the other day, and Angle was the more aggressive. Maybe being on US soil helped him be more focus for the homecrowd. BUT, he was battling one of the best wrestlers in the world. Abbas Jadidi is one of the greatest wrestlers ever, and Angle was matching him, and was more aggressive. Angle did everything he could to win, wrestling with a hurt neck. I saw the match, and to saw the least, it was close, but there was no controversy that wasn't created by Jadidi himself.
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Well here it is for anyone to see;
http://www.youtube.com/w/Kurt-Angle%27s-Olympic-Gold-Medal-Win?v=uF9tmwmYXIM&search=Kurt%20Angle
Jadidi got out of all of Kurt's offense except one, and Kurt got away from all of Jadidi's offense except two moves. Abbas at the end was under the impression that he was awarded a point for putting the head lock in at the end. That's why he thought he won. Then he talked to the judges about it. Also, you will notice the US coaches near the end of the video. One is clearly not celebrating. You'd think after a US wrestler wins the gold medal you'd be jumping up and down. I don't know why he was too happy, but I know he didn't look happy. If this was in Iran that Jadidi would have a Gold Medal. If this was in a neutral country then it could go either way.
In the Danny Hogde Gold medal match Hodge was way a head on points, but an illegal trip caused him to fall and it was ruled a major takedown and Hodge lost, and won a silver.
There is no doubt in my mind that a young Hodge could beat a yooung angle in a fight.
Angle showed here that he can't shoot against submission wrestlers.
http://s37.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3939Y85UAJ2R609KXGYZ68KMDR
Puder clearly has him locked in the Kimura and his shoulders aren't even down. It was a save by the ref. Angle is even pissed off while he's talking to Puder afterwards. Listen closely to hear it. To say Angle would dominate the UFC or Pride when he can't even beat the low level who himself would get killed, is ridiculous.
I don't have an agenda Sik. I just call it as I see it. If you or anyone else sees it differently then so be it, but I am not trying to trick anyone or say stupid things for the sake of saying them. I believe the Gold Medal win was slightly tainted and I believe Angle would get killed in MMA by the top guys. And I base those beliefs on what I see in those two videos.
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I still don't see the controversy. It was a close match, and like M Dogg said, Angle was clearly the aggressor. He was better conditioned because during the breaks, Angle was the first to get up. He was hungrier and that made the difference.
As for shooting, that's not even Angle's specialty so I would assume a good MMA fighter could take him down. BTW, is anyone else disappointed that Puder got released. He could of been the next Angle or Benoit.
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Booker T= 5 time! 5 time! 5 time! 5 time! 5 time! WCW world heavyweight champion!
yeah 5 times in one year because of Vince Russos lack of creativity
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I still don't see the controversy. It was a close match, and like M Dogg said, Angle was clearly the aggressor. He was better conditioned because during the breaks, Angle was the first to get up. He was hungrier and that made the difference.
As for shooting, that's not even Angle's specialty so I would assume a good MMA fighter could take him down. BTW, is anyone else disappointed that Puder got released. He could of been the next Angle or Benoit.
I'm not saying Jadidi won, I'm just saying it could have went either way. I think Jadidi was upset because he thinks he should have gotten an extra point when he had Angle in a headlock and the ref restarted it like it was takedown. The lack of enthusiasm by the US coaches made me think they thought the same thing. Even if it was fixed it was a close enough match that it could have gone either way. It's not like Hearns and Leonard where Hearns knocked down Sugar Ray in 2 differrent and stil lost by points. Even Sugar Ray said he lost that fight.
All I was getting at withy Angle is it was close and Hodge in '56 wasn't close. It was all Hodge until the trip that they ruled a takedown. The debate at hand between me and M was whether Angle could beat Hodge legit.
The MMA stuff was brought up by M Dogg too. He said Angle could just walk in and dominate. I strongly disagreed.