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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: The Watcher on January 23, 2006, 12:09:05 AM
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http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/23/arts/music/23rap.html?pagewanted=1
bam
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Oh, blah. I don't think that's really where Nas belongs. Def Jam is too corporate for the music Nas is trying to put out these days.
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hell has officially frozen over....
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burp, sucks.
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thats gonna be dope hearin a nas and jay track tho
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Nas shouldīve gone independet coz with his fan base heīd easily sell 300k on a real indie(Koch only pays their artists 2-3$ a pop and their structured as a major). and that way he could deliever a real hip hop album coz i doubt Def Jam will let Nas' take as many risks as he did with Streetīs Disciple.
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Holy Shit!!!! Good News for Nas then
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i just want a nas album, and maybe hell finally get some dope beats??? and the jay thing would be hot too.
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Good news I guess.Maybe now Nas will finally have dope beats over his great lyrcis.
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Jay Z won.... :-\
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you aint lying....and nas had some dope beats,yall just to much into this party beat shit.
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you aint lying....and nas had some dope beats,yall just to much into this party beat shit.
thats what im sayin, i like laidback chill beats
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Nas shouldīve gone independet coz with his fan base heīd easily sell 300k on a real indie(Koch only pays their artists 2-3$ a pop and their structured as a major). and that way he could deliever a real hip hop album coz i doubt Def Jam will let Nas' take as many risks as he did with Streetīs Disciple.
Well, "Street's Disciple" was a bit of a commercial disappointment, so that's understandable from a business POV. From an artistic standpoint, tho, I really had trouble liking that album. It was too long and frankly, self-indulgent, even by Nas' own standards. I don't want Nas to go back to doing his Nas Escobar shit and working with Diddy, but there's a point where you can get too ambitious taking artistic risks and wind up fucking yourself over, and Nas definitely reached that point on "Street's Disciple".
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thats gonna be dope hearin a nas and jay track tho
worst colaboration ever in the history of hip hop
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Nas shouldīve gone independet coz with his fan base heīd easily sell 300k on a real indie(Koch only pays their artists 2-3$ a pop and their structured as a major). and that way he could deliever a real hip hop album coz i doubt Def Jam will let Nas' take as many risks as he did with Streetīs Disciple.
Well, "Street's Disciple" was a bit of a commercial disappointment, so that's understandable from a business POV. From an artistic standpoint, tho, I really had trouble liking that album. It was too long and frankly, self-indulgent, even by Nas' own standards. I don't want Nas to go back to doing his Nas Escobar shit and working with Diddy, but there's a point where you can get too ambitious taking artistic risks and wind up fucking yourself over, and Nas definitely reached that point on "Street's Disciple".
agreed...i think this will be a good move for both nas & jay
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Does anyone else think nas should be where jay, dre, 50 r . Trying to build an empire not joining one ?
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Nas shouldīve gone independet coz with his fan base heīd easily sell 300k on a real indie(Koch only pays their artists 2-3$ a pop and their structured as a major). and that way he could deliever a real hip hop album coz i doubt Def Jam will let Nas' take as many risks as he did with Streetīs Disciple.
Well, "Street's Disciple" was a bit of a commercial disappointment, so that's understandable from a business POV. From an artistic standpoint, tho, I really had trouble liking that album. It was too long and frankly, self-indulgent, even by Nas' own standards. I don't want Nas to go back to doing his Nas Escobar shit and working with Diddy, but there's a point where you can get too ambitious taking artistic risks and wind up fucking yourself over, and Nas definitely reached that point on "Street's Disciple".
donīt wanna hear anyone complain when Nas comes out doin songs with Rihanna,Teairra Mari,Memphis Bleek etc etc coz most likely thatīs whatīs gonna happen. and SD was a solid album IMO and it had an old school vibe to it that i love but i can see how some people find it hard to like it. Nas shouldīve just done his own thing coz when the majors has dictacted him what to do to sell records the results havenīt been pretty(Oochie Walley,Hate Me Now etc). but i hope Nas proves me wrong coz itīs been awhile since i heard a dope album on Def Jam.
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^^^ c'mon hate me now was a dope track...the video was shit but the track was sick...that whole album was dope. just because nas is signing to def jam doesnt mean he's gonna go pop....jay still releases dope shit (blueprint, black album, etc...)...give nas a little more credit than that
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^^^ c'mon hate me now was a dope track...the video was shit but the track was sick...that whole album was dope. just because nas is signing to def jam doesnt mean he's gonna go pop....jay still releases dope shit (blueprint, black album, etc...)...give nas a little more credit than that
Hate Me Now wasnīt dope, donīt wanna hear no floss rapping coz that shit was boring when Nas did it in 99 and itīs still boring. TBA and the Blueprint arenīt nearly as good as people make them out to be and how many dope albums do Def Jam really drop? and how many albums do they release that arenīt full of commercial BS? even TBA and the Blueprint were full of commercial songs and thatīs the last thing i wanna hear from Nas.
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Bad move for Nas music and I don't want to wait for a Nas album for ages
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Does anyone else think nas should be where jay, dre, 50 r . Trying to build an empire not joining one ?
He's too lazy to do something like that and actually be sucessful
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So the GOD MC signed his SON, Nas' prophecy came true. :o
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So the GOD MC signed his SON, Nas' prophecy came true. :o
LMAO!!!
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So the GOD MC signed his SON, Nas' prophecy came true. :o
lol
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Does anyone else think nas should be where jay, dre, 50 r . Trying to build an empire not joining one ?
I can't really see him doing that; Nas doesn't strike me as being the HNIC type...he's most definitely an MC, not a businessman, whereas Jigga's always been more of a businessman than an MC. Besides, The Firm was something of a move for Nas in that direction, and we all know how that turned out.
donīt wanna hear anyone complain when Nas comes out doin songs with Rihanna,Teairra Mari,Memphis Bleek etc etc coz most likely thatīs whatīs gonna happen. and SD was a solid album IMO and it had an old school vibe to it that i love but i can see how some people find it hard to like it. Nas shouldīve just done his own thing coz when the majors has dictacted him what to do to sell records the results havenīt been pretty(Oochie Walley,Hate Me Now etc). but i hope Nas proves me wrong coz itīs been awhile since i heard a dope album on Def Jam.
You don't know that Nas is going to go commercial - he already tried that for several years, and he got crucified for it. Nas knows his audience pretty well by now, and so does his label, so I think we can be pretty sure they'll give him (most of) the artistic liberty he needs to do what he wants.
"Street's Disciple" had a lot of great tracks, but as I said before, it was too self-indulgent. Nas' ego swelled a bit too much after everyone loved him again for making "Stillmatic" and "God's Son", and that album was pretty much the result of it. Some artists need to realize that there's a point where you've gotta exercise self-restraint when making "personal" music - Nas' fans may be willing to support anything he does, but I need to see more artistic consistency.
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I think this is a good deal for him. Hes a big enough name that his album will come out pretty quick on def jam and no be pushed back so much. Hopefully we get to hear him the way he was back in "94-98 8)
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Does anyone else think nas should be where jay, dre, 50 r . Trying to build an empire not joining one ?
I can't really see him doing that; Nas doesn't strike me as being the HNIC type...he's most definitely an MC, not a businessman, whereas Jigga's always been more of a businessman than an MC. Besides, The Firm was something of a move for Nas in that direction, and we all know how that turned out.
donīt wanna hear anyone complain when Nas comes out doin songs with Rihanna,Teairra Mari,Memphis Bleek etc etc coz most likely thatīs whatīs gonna happen. and SD was a solid album IMO and it had an old school vibe to it that i love but i can see how some people find it hard to like it. Nas shouldīve just done his own thing coz when the majors has dictacted him what to do to sell records the results havenīt been pretty(Oochie Walley,Hate Me Now etc). but i hope Nas proves me wrong coz itīs been awhile since i heard a dope album on Def Jam.
You don't know that Nas is going to go commercial - he already tried that for several years, and he got crucified for it. Nas knows his audience pretty well by now, and so does his label, so I think we can be pretty sure they'll give him (most of) the artistic liberty he needs to do what he wants.
"Street's Disciple" had a lot of great tracks, but as I said before, it was too self-indulgent. Nas' ego swelled a bit too much after everyone loved him again for making "Stillmatic" and "God's Son", and that album was pretty much the result of it. Some artists need to realize that there's a point where you've gotta exercise self-restraint when making "personal" music - Nas' fans may be willing to support anything he does, but I need to see more artistic consistency.
Speaking the truth... again.Have some faith in Nas.
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overall i think a good move for nas. nas is a legend and should get treated like one over there so i dont expect them to be telling nas what to put out. the kings of new york together. hopefully some good tracks can follow.
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as long as Dj Premier is involved I dont care about the label..Def Jam has now 2 big releases : The Roots & Nas
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as long as Dj Premier is involved I dont care about the label..Def Jam has now 2 big releases : The Roots & Nas
and hopefully my nigga 5'9"
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NAS IS NOT A BOSS, 3 MILL I'M PROUD HE GOT THAT,BUT IT'S TIME TO BOSS UP IN THE GAME,HE SIGNED A FUCC'N ARTIST DEAL,A PERSON OF HIS STATURE SHOULD BE A BOSS,AND YALL wonder why the game is fucc'd up,honestly i rather him be a president of a label then jigga,because he understands artistic value,too bad it's only as a bottom of the totem pole mc :-\,it's sad and funny at the same time to me,damn jay z won, and doing a song with hova does nothing for nas all that does is make hova look better,it's more then music cats need to understand that,common needs a president spot as well, and i wonder who will own nas's masters now sad sad sad yell
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Nas featuring Freeway/Memphis Bleak/young gunz?? No fuckin thanks. NOw NAs featuring Busta Rhymes, The Game, Bishop Lamont, Eve Yes please. Or this is a major long shot but IMO if he signed 2 them NAs could help bring the I.N.C back some labels fucked up not signing esco.....On another forum this guy was sayin that Jay officailly owned Nas coz hes now his boss but i think diffrently, I mean Jay is strugglin at Defjam, hes had one platinum artist while hes been in charge n thats Kanye (if u wanna include Luda then do so but i am not)...Bleak - Flop, Free - when was his last album?, Young gunz - LOL, Foxy - Flop, Peedi Cracc - fell off b4 he even started and i dont know where the fuck oschino n sparx is at. BUt i dont even think this will remedy the problem coz Nas dont garuntee you sales. Look at Jungle n Nashawn, AZ, Cormega b4 the fallout, nature....they all noware. BAd move IMO, unless u get a jay/nas album which evryone would eat up. (besides me)...
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hmmm...def have mixed feelings about this one. I for one thought SD was a great album, sans 2 or 3 tracks. Like duke said, as long as premo is on board it will be dope. I don't see Nas selling his nuts for a plaque, but it was interesting that at the reunion concert that Jay called him "Esco". When's the last time you've heard him called that? Now that he's on Def Jam, he'll prob get a beat or 2 from Kanye - papa was a playa was dope so i'd give it a chance. What I don't want is 14 tracks from 14 different producers.
Ideally, I think i would have rather had Nas go indie. But as long as he doesn't compromise his current style than i'll support it.
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this will free up some production work in his behalf.. his next album should be sick. W. sony and def jam splitting the profits im sure nas is gettin cramped outa some paper.. anyway this next album should be one of hip-hop most anticipated albums of the year. should be interesting knowing Jay-z owns ur ass now... hope they collaborate on some shit
halla
kk
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I'm kinda surprised so many people are saying this album will be dope as long as Primo works on it. Primo did tracks on both "I Am..." and "Nastradamus", and everyone still hates those albums (I'm probably the only person alive who thinks "I Am..." was underrated).
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I'm kinda surprised so many people are saying this album will be dope as long as Primo works on it. Primo did tracks on both "I Am..." and "Nastradamus", and everyone still hates those albums (I'm probably the only person alive who thinks "I Am..." was underrated).
Can't speak for everybody, but SD was one of my fav Nas albums, and obviously Primo wasn't on there. My earlier statement was reflecting the article in Scratch stating that Primo was Exec. Prod. the album. If this is indeed the case, i have extremely high expectations for this next album. Just because Primo dropped a couple joints on I am and Nastradamus doesn't automatically mean that those albums should be classified as great albums.
I Am def had its share of great tracks, but also some really low points. Nastradamus is def Nas worst album, but its still better than many albums dropped by many other cats.
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this is from hiphopgame.com:
As for Nas' next album, Jay-Z says it will probably drop in September and that he will probably be on one song. He hopes Nas will have production from Kanye West, DJ Premier, Just Blaze, Dr. Dre, Timbaland and Pharrell Williams
http://www.hiphopgame.com/news.php3?id=1168
the begining of the article talkz bout Jay-Z and Cam'Ron
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I feel sorry for Nas. Now he has to work for the guy that publictly dissed him and banged his baby mother.
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I do not see why Nas would leave Sony/Columbia, he had artistic freedom and he sold records there. He has had a fantastic career with them.
Despite the fact that Nas and Jay-Z are two of my favourite artists I'm not dying to hear them do a song together. Thier styles don't match. Give me another Nas/AZ joint instead.