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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: topdogg187 on March 10, 2002, 03:32:44 PM
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Well theres been a lot talk goin about this at another board so i just thought what u homies thought about this situation. who do u feel is better( we're talkin careerwise here not just lately). I think Snoop Dogg is way better than nas. what y'all think?
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right now NAS
Back in tha day SNOOP DOGG
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back in tha day, snoop
now, nas
career wise nas
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nas has always been the better rapper but if nas and snoop were to come out on the same day i'd pick up snoop first, just my preferanc but they're both 2 of my fav rappers
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Nas
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Snoop Dogg.
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ide def have to go wit nas.........hes got the total package............lyrics, storytellin, wordplay, style...........but i still pick rakim over all of em
peace
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shish, they both in my top 5... what the hell i'm sayin , they both in my top 3 but i'll go with tha doggfather
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this is a real hard question but im goin with Nas career wise
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Lol...u can't compare Nas to Big Snoop Dogg...
It's no comparission at all...
Snoop has like triple his catalog of music....(Bullshitt or blazin')
Classic joint's that you can bump at the club kickin it with homies...whatever..
shitt you willbump fo the rest of your life.
Snoop Dogg is known outside of hip hop...
besides Pac n Big he's the single most popular figure in hip hop history...everyone know's Snoop Dogg..
He's helped Hip hop evolve to the stage it's at today...
besides that homies ( we're talkin careerwise here not just lately)....Nas can't even post up number's anywhere close to Snoop....
Snoop Dogg is a livin' legend homies...and he still gots alot of shitt yet to come..
I love Nas...and have since the jump but he ain't got the charisma..star appeal or anything it takes to be The Dogg.
Just thinkin' bout all the people that spawed off of Snoop....it's fucken mind bogglin'....
It's all a matter of what you like..
I love em' both but when it comes to kickin' it...chillin' with a bitch
or puffin' a joint or whatever..
the only cd I want in my player is a snoop dogg over any Nas cd...my opinion
Hatesrats 2oo2
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nas
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Lol...u can't compare Nas to Big Snoop Dogg...
It's no comparission at all...
Snoop has like triple his catalog of music....(Bullshitt or blazin')
Classic joint's that you can bump at the club kickin it with homies...whatever..
shitt you willbump fo the rest of your life.
Snoop Dogg is known outside of hip hop...
besides Pac n Big he's the single most popular figure in hip hop history...everyone know's Snoop Dogg..
He's helped Hip hop evolve to the stage it's at today...
besides that homies ( we're talkin careerwise here not just lately)....Nas can't even post up number's anywhere close to Snoop....
Snoop Dogg is a livin' legend homies...and he still gots alot of shitt yet to come..
I love Nas...and have since the jump but he ain't got the charisma..star appeal or anything it takes to be The Dogg.
Just thinkin' bout all the people that spawed off of Snoop....it's fucken mind bogglin'....
It's all a matter of what you like..
I love em' both but when it comes to kickin' it...chillin' with a bitch
or puffin' a joint or whatever..
the only cd I want in my player is a snoop dogg over any Nas cd...my opinion
Hatesrats 2oo2
very well said hommie. i agree totally...
Peace
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Lol...u can't compare Nas to Big Snoop Dogg...
It's no comparission at all...
Snoop has like triple his catalog of music....(Bullshitt or blazin')
Classic joint's that you can bump at the club kickin it with homies...whatever..
shitt you willbump fo the rest of your life.
Snoop Dogg is known outside of hip hop...
besides Pac n Big he's the single most popular figure in hip hop history...everyone know's Snoop Dogg..
He's helped Hip hop evolve to the stage it's at today...
besides that homies ( we're talkin careerwise here not just lately)....Nas can't even post up number's anywhere close to Snoop....
Snoop Dogg is a livin' legend homies...and he still gots alot of shitt yet to come..
I love Nas...and have since the jump but he ain't got the charisma..star appeal or anything it takes to be The Dogg.
Just thinkin' bout all the people that spawed off of Snoop....it's fucken mind bogglin'....
It's all a matter of what you like..
I love em' both but when it comes to kickin' it...chillin' with a bitch
or puffin' a joint or whatever..
the only cd I want in my player is a snoop dogg over any Nas cd...my opinion
Hatesrats 2oo2
you are right on the dot...damn that was well put....i dont think nas has had a good career at all...snoop has had a much much much better one than nas...sure nas has a "classic" but snoop has a CLASSIC too....he also has a few strong albums....no matter what anyone says LAST MEAL and TOP DOGG are very good albums....hell even DOGGFATHER was decent....i feel STILLMATIC is a little over hyped....people automatically consider it tight just cuz of the name....even now i feel snoop is on top of nas....he has had a lot of success with tha eastsidaz...bad azz took off a little bit...doggys angels werent too good though....even though snoop didnt bring him up hes still putting him out KOKANE.....what has nas done for others?...hes trying to put out the bravehearts...lol...thats all hes done...snoop has influenced many more rappers than nas...thats a given....so if u couldnt tell...my pick is snoop
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Overall def snoop dogg, but nas got some tight songs
peeeeeeeeez
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right now NAS
Back in tha day SNOOP DOGG
word, NaS is a better lyricst, and i aint feelin snoop too much these days, but i still bump doggystyle....but rite now, NaS
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dawm..u cant compare these two....
they're both good in their own wayz..
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these two are my favourite rappers a very hard decision....but i think i will have to go for nas because his excellent lyrics and story telling 8)
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dogg
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I felt the 1992 Snoop 10 times more than the 2002 Nas..
but right now.. i go with Nas.
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careerwise...Snoop easily. Doggystyle alone would make tha difference. Hard to say right now, cus Nas jus had an album come out n snoop hasnt. Righ now Nas is kinda hot i guess. Lyrically, i cant say Nas is better. Snoop is fukin impressive tah me. He spitz that gangsta shit, but itz alwayz sumthin creative. n he jus knowz how tah flow TOO fukin smooth to any beat. Nas, like most eastcoast artists...dont have a good flow to their shit. Ima go wit Snoop. But Nas is comin up lately.
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THE CHOICE HAS GOT TO BE SNOOP. HE'S THE MAN. STRAIGHT THE FUCK UP. HE'S DONE MORE FOR HIPHOP THAN NAS EVER WILL OR HAVE DONE. HE'S PUT ALOT OF HIS BROKE ASS HOMIES UP ON GAME. HE BROUGHT BAD AZZ SUPAFLY KURUPT N DAZ NATE DOGG KINDA WARREN G DOGGYS ANGELS THA EASTSIDAZ AND ALOT MORE HE BROUGHT ALL THOSE PEOPLE UNDER HIS WINGS AND MADE A NAME FOR THEM TO SUCCEED. HE'S MORE MARKATABLE THAN NAS ASWELL. THE MOVIES AND CLOTHING LINES AND HIS STYLE. DOGGYSTYLE WAS THE BEST CD EVER MADE. NAS HAS 2 CLASSICS AND IS ONE HELL OF AN MC, BUT SNOOP HAD BEEN CONSITANTLY MAKIN A NAME FOR HIMSELF IN THIS GAME. AND DAMN SNOOP BEEN THRU SOME CRAZY FUCKIN SHIT NAS AINT NEVER HAD TO DEAL WITH. SNOOP BEEN THRU DEATH ROW AND PAC AND BIGS DEATH. HE BEEN IN AN OUT OF JAIL. HE ALMOST BEEN LOCKED UP FOR LIFE CUZ OF HIS MURDER CHARGES. NAS AINT NEVER FACED NONE OF THAT SHIT. IF YOU DONT LIKE SNOOPS MUSIC YOU SHOULD RESPECT HIM FOR A PERSON AND FOR WHAT HES DONE CUZ HES THE MUTHAFUCKIN MAN! ;D
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damn....i don"t even need to think mo than a split second...
NASir...by fuckin miles....not only that NAS iz tha better rapper...NAS at hiz best ("ILLMATIC" period NAS...) eatz ( at pointz) rapperz that iz far superior to SNOOP....
they both had hard times....and snoop iz still having these hard times to this day :) imo while NAS came around wit Stillmatic....so both SKILLwise and CAREERwise NAS eatz Snoop.
p.s DOGGYSTYLE period SNOOP waz able to hit tha TOP 10...but Illmatic period NAS could top it at some pointz.
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I aint really like Nas or Snoop, but if i had too choose Nas.
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damn....i don"t even need to think mo than a split second...
NASir...by fuckin miles....not only that NAS iz tha better rapper...NAS at hiz best ("ILLMATIC" period NAS...) eatz ( at pointz) rapperz that iz far superior to SNOOP....
they both had hard times....and snoop iz still having these hard times to this day :) imo while NAS came around wit Stillmatic....so both SKILLwise and CAREERwise NAS eatz Snoop.
p.s DOGGYSTYLE period SNOOP waz able to hit tha TOP 10...but Illmatic period NAS could top it at some pointz.
well, Doggystyle COMPLETELY changed tha face of rap. Nas has yet to be able to do that, and i seriously doubt he eva will. Nas is honestly overrated to me.
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Snoop Dogg back when it came to doggystyle, he was always tight
right now I'm going with Nas, he's always been a better lyricist than Snoop, I like him better than Snoop now, but back then it was all about Snoop Dogg
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Snoop is a legend in the rap game while Nas is probably the best lyricist in rap he doesn't have the status that Snoop has in the game...Snoop had a big hand in 2 of the best albums in rap history Chronic and Doggystyle...Nas dropped a classic 1st album, but then fell off a bit but came back strong with Stillmatic...
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We'll see in ten years..
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Snoop's music will definetly last the test of time..his shitt is ageless..(Bumpin' Gin' n juice when i'm 70)
there is no way you can even begin to compare Nas to Snoop carrer wise....no comparison..
(lyrics n' content maybe but that's another argument..)
Everyone know's Snoop everyone..
even old ass people & shitt even paprents know who snoop is..
Nas coildn't be identified if he was standing right in front of people in the street..(Unless he opened his mouth)...naww just playin I know he got that chiped tooth fixed...lol
For real think of all the shitt Snoop has done & been a part of now think of what Nas has done & been a part of...
don't just say what u belive people want u to say.
Nas is a tight rapper...Snoop Dogg is a legend.
Besides like I stated before I don't beleive Nas has what it takes to be a superstar...he's a star in hip-hop...but not a superstar in the world stage..and it's because he lacks a couple of main ingredients..he has double the talent...but what he lacks in personality more than kills his chances of making it huge.
he kinda reminds of Rakim...another humongus giant in the rap game but a relativly unkonw in any circle.
cause their charisma is none.
When u watch belly...it makes u wonder if that is Nas 24/7..he seem's slow and has no energy.
That's why X went on to movies and Nas chilled out at his home and took like 2 years to write "Stillmatic". (classic)
I hope Nas proves me wrong...tho
cause I love his shitt..
but carrer wise he still has alot to catch the Dogg..alot
I belive in carrer wise..
Snoop is only payin' the background to
Ice Cube
2pac
The Notorious B.I.G.
Dr Dre
& yes I have to admit it...Jake.. ;)
Outkast..
just my 2 cents.
Hatesrats 2oo2
Hatesrats 2oo2
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^^i dunno hatez, id hafta put snoop on tha same level almost. I mean, all tha ones u named have had theyre own influence on rap....none MORE then the other i think. Only thing i give Cube n Dre is that they been in it longer, n STILL doin they thang. Most artists thats been in tha game as long as them, couldnt drop a hit record right now. Only people i can think of that been here that long, n still could sell recordz are Too Short and
LL (trash lol)
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every is sayin doggystyle changed tha game, which it did, but did any1 forget about illmatic, this album helped put east back in tha game. Granted doggystyle is more influential but dont take away what illmatic did for tha game either
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We'll see in ten years..
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Snoop's music will definetly last the test of time..his shitt is ageless..(Bumpin' Gin' n juice when i'm 70)
there is no way you can even begin to compare Nas to Snoop carrer wise....no comparison..
(lyrics n' content maybe but that's another argument..)
Everyone know's Snoop everyone..
even old ass people & shitt even paprents know who snoop is..
Nas coildn't be identified if he was standing right in front of people in the street..(Unless he opened his mouth)...naww just playin I know he got that chiped tooth fixed...lol
For real think of all the shitt Snoop has done & been a part of now think of what Nas has done & been a part of...
don't just say what u belive people want u to say.
Nas is a tight rapper...Snoop Dogg is a legend.
Besides like I stated before I don't beleive Nas has what it takes to be a superstar...he's a star in hip-hop...but not a superstar in the world stage..and it's because he lacks a couple of main ingredients..he has double the talent...but what he lacks in personality more than kills his chances of making it huge.
he kinda reminds of Rakim...another humongus giant in the rap game but a relativly unkonw in any circle.
cause their charisma is none.
When u watch belly...it makes u wonder if that is Nas 24/7..he seem's slow and has no energy.
That's why X went on to movies and Nas chilled out at his home and took like 2 years to write "Stillmatic". (classic)
I hope Nas proves me wrong...tho
cause I love his shitt..
but carrer wise he still has alot to catch the Dogg..alot
I belive in carrer wise..
Snoop is only payin' the background to
Ice Cube
2pac
The Notorious B.I.G.
Dr Dre
& yes I have to admit it...Jake.. ;)
Outkast..
just my 2 cents.
Hatesrats 2oo2
Hatesrats 2oo2
respect on that. intelligent post. ;D
the question was carreer wise who is better. meaning 1) who sold more, 2) more popular, 3) done more for rap, 4) better flow, delivery, 5) lyrics, 6) done more outside of music 7) albums
1. Snoop sold more
2. Snoop more popular
3. Snoop done more for rap
4. Snoop got a better flow/ delivery
5. NAS got better lyrics
6. Snoop done more outside of music
7. Snoop has better albums
Put these 2 dogs walkin around in a mall and whos gona attract more attention? Career wise its got to be the muthafuckin dogg ...named SNOOP BOW WOW!
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every is sayin doggystyle changed tha game, which it did, but did any1 forget about illmatic, this album helped put east back in tha game. Granted doggystyle is more influential but dont take away what illmatic did for tha game either
i dont think Illmatic had that much impact really. There were other eastcoast artists who played a MUCH bigger role in bringin back tha east (wu-tang comez tah mind)
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i dont think Illmatic had that much impact really. There were other eastcoast artists who played a MUCH bigger role in bringin back tha east (wu-tang comez tah mind)
ok than, i guess bein called tha next rakim means shit. Nas played a bigger part than wu-tang, wu-tang was more bringin east back into tha mainstream but Nas was turnin heads since 92 when every1 1st heard live at tha bbq. He had jus as much hype as snoop did when it came to waiting for debut albums
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respect on that. intelligent post. ;D
the question was carreer wise who is better. meaning 1) who sold more, 2) more popular, 3) done more for rap, 4) better flow, delivery, 5) lyrics, 6) done more outside of music 7) albums
1. Snoop sold more
2. Snoop more popular
3. Snoop done more for rap
4. Snoop got a better flow/ delivery
5. NAS got better lyrics
6. Snoop done more outside of music
7. Snoop has better albums
Put these 2 dogs walkin around in a mall and whos gona attract more attention? Career wise its got to be the muthafuckin dogg ...named SNOOP BOW WOW!
1) Nellly sold more than snoop, does that make him better han snoop, fuck no, sales dont mean shit
2) agreed
3) agreed but a lot of people are comin here actin like Nas has done jack shit for rap
4) agreed
5) agreed, Nas's music is also much more deeper than snoop's music
6) agreed but what does that have to do about tha music, fi anything it has affected snoop negativly when it comes to makin music
7) Who makes better albums, i dont know about this 1 here. Both have 1 definite classic. Snoop hasnt made an album on tha level of iww or stillmatic, wit tha exception of doggystyle which illmatic doesnt touch but it is close. Nas has 2 shitty albums while snoop has only 1. Snoop has gotten stronger on his past 2 albums, but has yet 2 put an album close to level of doggystyle while nas dropped an album where it was obvious he was tryin to go back to illmatic level. So in this catagory i would call it even.
I aint tryin to hate on snoop, b/c he is more influential for rap but people r tryin to discredit what nas has done which is complete bull shit
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ok than, i guess bein called tha next rakim means shit. Nas played a bigger part than wu-tang, wu-tang was more bringin east back into tha mainstream but Nas was turnin heads since 92 when every1 1st heard live at tha bbq. He had jus as much hype as snoop did when it came to waiting for debut albums
umm....well....im in Kali, i dont recall any hype back then over Nas. Maybe out thea in NY yah. But in Kali, Nas has never been anythang major. When i say impact, i mean REAL impact across the country. Nas neva had that out here, or in tha south.
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every is sayin doggystyle changed tha game, which it did, but did any1 forget about illmatic, this album helped put east back in tha game. Granted doggystyle is more influential but dont take away what illmatic did for tha game either
you speakin tha truth with that. u gotta admit illmatic help put the eastcoast back on tha map.
overall in tha game snoop has had a damn impressive career. BUT, i feel he has the potential to be the best ever. from his freestyle skillz to his charisma, he has it all. however, got to give nas his props for coming back tight with still-matic. 99.9% of the artist in hip hop cant say they matched they're first classic after 7 years. THats what im hopin snoop will do.
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S N Double O P........D O Double G!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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1) Nellly sold more than snoop, does that make him better han snoop, fuck no, sales dont mean shit
2) agreed
3) agreed but a lot of people are comin here actin like Nas has done jack shit for rap
4) agreed
5) agreed, Nas's music is also much more deeper than snoop's music
6) agreed but what does that have to do about tha music, fi anything it has affected snoop negativly when it comes to makin music
7) Who makes better albums, i dont know about this 1 here. Both have 1 definite classic. Snoop hasnt made an album on tha level of iww or stillmatic, wit tha exception of doggystyle which illmatic doesnt touch but it is close. Nas has 2 shitty albums while snoop has only 1. Snoop has gotten stronger on his past 2 albums, but has yet 2 put an album close to level of doggystyle while nas dropped an album where it was obvious he was tryin to go back to illmatic level. So in this catagory i would call it even.
I aint tryin to hate on snoop, b/c he is more influential for rap but people r tryin to discredit what nas has done which is complete bull shit
I AINT DISCREDIT NAS NO WAY PARTNER...HES MY SECOND FAVORITE NEXT 2 BIGSNOOP. BUT THE QUESTION WAS WHO HAS HAD A BETTER CAREER. YOU REPLIED WITH NELLY SOLD MORE THAN SNOOP DOES THAT MEAN HE BETTER? NO IT DOESNT, BUT SALES DO DETERMINE HOW GOOD OF CARRER YOU HAVE SAME GOES FOR OUTSIDE OF MUSIC. ITS SNOOPS CAREER AND SNOOPS GOT MORE OF A CAREER THAN NAS. HE BEEN MORE PLACES, WORKED WITH MORE PEOPLE, SEEN MORE FACES, SOLD MORE ALBUMS, MOVIES, CLOTHES, CONCERT TICKETS. SHIT LIKE THE HOMIE SAID EVERYONE KNOWS WHO SNOOP DOGG IS. MY GRANDPARENTS KNOW HIM. I THINK HES THE MOST RECOGNIZABLE FIGURE IN RAP. THE WAY HE LOOKS LIKE NO OTHER. HIS STYLE AND HIS VOICE IS ONE OF A KIND. HE PUT THE WHOLE INDUSTRY ON THAT SHIZZLE DIZZLE MY NIZZLE TYPE SHIT. HES INFLUENTIAL. THE TOP DOGG OF THEM ALL. HIS CAREER IS BETTER. NAS MAY BE MORE TALENTED AND GIFTED LYRCIALLY, BUT SNOOP IS A LEGEND.
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umm....well....im in Kali, i dont recall any hype back then over Nas. Maybe out thea in NY yah. But in Kali, Nas has never been anythang major. When i say impact, i mean REAL impact across the country. Nas neva had that out here, or in tha south.
i agree so damn much with u tone....to tell u the truth when illmatic dropped nobody on the west cared....we were bumpin DOGGYSTYLE everyone was...nobody cared about nas....i still dont care about him.....he has had no impact on my view of hip hop...at all....and big deal if nas is called the next rakim....that doesnt mean anything....that foo MINOR that was on the MIAMI HEAT was called BABY JORDAN and where is he now?....it doesnt matter what CRITICS call u.....get over that.....nas is way too over hyped...when he came on to the WAKE UP SHOW and sway told him to freestyle and he refused to cuz he cant freestyle that just turned me off....he offered to write something down...the fucker didnt even do that he just spit some old shit...how is he a real emcee if he cant freestyle?....hell ive heard snoop freestyle....he will freestyle at any time...not saying that hes a lyrcist...but hes one up on nas in that department....regardless of what u say.....so cmon now....nas is just a flavor of the month.....just like ja rule.....he will be forgotten of soon
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nas is just a flavor of the month.....just like ja rule.....he will be forgotten of soon
u r a fuckin idiot, flavor of tha month. Nas has been in tha game almost as long as snoop u dumb fuck. Snoop 91 wit deep cover, nas 92 wit live at tha bbq. Snoop dropped doggystyle in 93, nas dropped illamtic in 94. Snoop has a year on him. And all of Nas's albums have gone atleast platnium. Fuckin idiot, u still think he is a flavor on tha month. Tha guy helped put tha east back on tha fuckin map when tha west dominated. This what im talkin about, when a stupid fuck come an trys to discredit nas, granted snoop has done a lot more but some of u act like Nas did nothing for rap
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u r a fuckin idiot, flavor of tha month. Nas has been in tha game almost as long as snoop u dumb fuck. Snoop 91 wit deep cover, nas 92 wit live at tha bbq. Snoop dropped doggystyle in 93, nas dropped illamtic in 94. Snoop has a year on him. And all of Nas's albums have gone atleast platnium. Fuckin idiot, u still think he is a flavor on tha month. Tha guy helped put tha east back on tha fuckin map when tha west dominated. This what im talkin about, when a stupid fuck come an trys to discredit nas, granted snoop has done a lot more but some of u act like Nas did nothing for rap
well look tom. i dont feel Nas's impact on hip hop. so am i fuckin idiot now?! huh? naw. its jus this, every emcee who is remotely successful has done SUMthing for rap. but when i measure a rappers influence...i look at tha impact its had on the rap game as a whole. no one can argue what snoop n dre's impact was...n how much they impacted hip hop. it wasnt jus about blowin up tha westcoast. they changed tha face of rap music completely. Nas, had impact on tha east. But out here in kali...there was n o impact whatsoeva frum him. wu tang was far more popular out here then Nas EVER was. n wu tang still wasnt sellin out concerts by themselves. Nas NEVER would have been able to. He was part of a concert down here in S.D. that i went to..back when illmatic came out...n it was a bunch of artists. he didnt even headline...Montell Jordan did! lol. So it aint like im sayin Nas hasnt done SHIT for rap music. im sayin, he hasnt impacted it tha way Snoop, Dre, or NWA has. Or even as much as other NY, or eastcoast artists have. Even right now, as much as all of NY is in LUV with Nas...hes not THAT big of a deal out here. N this is prolly tha Prime of his career.
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well look tom. i dont feel Nas's impact on hip hop. so am i fuckin idiot now?! huh? naw. its jus this, every emcee who is remotely successful has done SUMthing for rap. but when i measure a rappers influence...i look at tha impact its had on the rap game as a whole. no one can argue what snoop n dre's impact was...n how much they impacted hip hop. it wasnt jus about blowin up tha westcoast. they changed tha face of rap music completely. Nas, had impact on tha east. But out here in kali...there was n o impact whatsoeva frum him. wu tang was far more popular out here then Nas EVER was. n wu tang still wasnt sellin out concerts by themselves. Nas NEVER would have been able to. He was part of a concert down here in S.D. that i went to..back when illmatic came out...n it was a bunch of artists. he didnt even headline...Montell Jordan did! lol. So it aint like im sayin Nas hasnt done SHIT for rap music. im sayin, he hasnt impacted it tha way Snoop, Dre, or NWA has. Or even as much as other NY, or eastcoast artists have. Even right now, as much as all of NY is in LUV with Nas...hes not THAT big of a deal out here. N this is prolly tha Prime of his career.
i didnt call u a fuckin idiot i called s.g.v a fuckin idiot
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THEY'RE BOTH LEGENDS.
BUT
ASK ANYBODY ON THE STREET OVER HERE IN THE UK. ASK THEM "HAVE YOU HEARD OF NAS?" 15 - 20% WILL SAY YES (and some will think you mean the boxer)
ASK THEM "HAVE YOU HEARD OF SNOOP DOGG?" SHIIT YOU'RE LOOKING AT 70 - 80% MAYBE MORE!
I had to shout to get the point across. Who is more famous, who has had the better career. It's not about skills, it's more about charisma. Only Ice Cube,Eminem,Biggie,Puffy,Pac and Dre are (arguably) more famous worldwide than Snoop.
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u r a fuckin idiot, flavor of tha month. Nas has been in tha game almost as long as snoop u dumb fuck. Snoop 91 wit deep cover, nas 92 wit live at tha bbq. Snoop dropped doggystyle in 93, nas dropped illamtic in 94. Snoop has a year on him. And all of Nas's albums have gone atleast platnium. Fuckin idiot, u still think he is a flavor on tha month. Tha guy helped put tha east back on tha fuckin map when tha west dominated. This what im talkin about, when a stupid fuck come an trys to discredit nas, granted snoop has done a lot more but some of u act like Nas did nothing for rap
damn i guess u got all fucking hurt....kick back bitch....its not like im clowning u...why are u getting all fucking hurt?....fuck u cant carry an intelligent debate...fuck i hate bitches like u...fucking crying and crying....SHUT THE FUCK UP....and yes i still think nas is flavor of the month pinche culero.....hijo de la gran puta.....fuck....wow hes been around since 93...im proud of him....dmx was around almost 10 years before he blew up...sure nas has had one "hit" but he was not known like he is now....he wasnt being billed as king of new york...he is now...so to me hes a fucking FLAVOR OF THE MONTH....and i dont think he brought the east back...wu tang did....biggie did...redman did...onyx did....those are really the only artists that come to mind when i thought of the east back then...i didnt give a fuck about nas...i still dont....and i dont give a fuck about u...u go around ruining good fucking posts cuz u cant hang in a fucking debate....man fuck u....
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damn i guess u got all fucking hurt....kick back bitch....its not like im clowning u...why are u getting all fucking hurt?....fuck u cant carry an intelligent debate...fuck i hate bitches like u...fucking crying and crying....SHUT THE FUCK UP....and yes i still think nas is flavor of the month pinche culero.....hijo de la gran puta.....fuck....wow hes been around since 93...im proud of him....dmx was around almost 10 years before he blew up...sure nas has had one "hit" but he was not known like he is now....he wasnt being billed as king of new york...he is now...so to me hes a fucking FLAVOR OF THE MONTH....and i dont think he brought the east back...wu tang did....biggie did...redman did...onyx did....those are really the only artists that come to mind when i thought of the east back then...i didnt give a fuck about nas...i still dont....and i dont give a fuck about u...u go around ruining good fucking posts cuz u cant hang in a fucking debate....man fuck u....
im runinin a good topic, atleast i know what im talkin about. Nas didnt help put tha eastg back on tha map, thats why he had a 5 mic album while ready 2 die an 36 chambers werent given 5 mics back than. Nas had 1 hit ::), whatever you say man. been in tha game since 92, 1 classic, 2 great albums, ight he has 2 shitty albums. An all his albums have gone atleast platnium, yup thats real flavor of tha month credentials. If u dont like nas, thats cool, but tryin to discredit what he has done for rap is bull shit
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platinum this´and platinum that...
doggystyle have passed 8x by now, even though suge knight dont gives a fuck about certifications...
doggfather did 4x ..according to mtv, snoop have sold 26 millions and counting...
doggystyle and doggfather have together sold more than nas all albums...
but thats not the point....
lemme ask my little sister if she knows who nas is.... (.....) ... she didnt ..... lemme ask her who snoop is..... ::)
as i said before: even though snoop dogg is a goat for sure, his name wont be written in "the book", cuz he dont gives a fuck about source and mtv and, ... if he were on their balls all the time like dmx, nas and jay z, they would rate his album higher and consider him as a tru goat...
anyway, ... hiphop isnt only about lyrics.... its about:
lyrics
popularity
carisma
flow
respect (on both coasts)
ignorance (sadly, but tru)
bein the best
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the only thing nas have advantage in is he lyrics....
i belive that 90% of the cd nas is selling is bought by people in eastcoast..... his music isnt wide.... wu tang have much more respect in west than nas....
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platinum this´and platinum that...
doggystyle have passed 8x by now, even though suge knight dont gives a fuck about certifications...
doggfather did 4x ..according to mtv, snoop have sold 26 millions and counting...
doggystyle and doggfather have together sold more than nas all albums...
but thats not the point....
lemme ask my little sister if she knows who nas is.... (.....) ... she didnt ..... lemme ask her who snoop is..... ::)
as i said before: even though snoop dogg is a goat for sure, his name wont be written in "the book", cuz he dont gives a fuck about source and mtv and, ... if he were on their balls all the time like dmx, nas and jay z, they would rate his album higher and consider him as a tru goat...
anyway, ... hiphop isnt only about lyrics.... its about:
lyrics
popularity
carisma
flow
respect (on both coasts)
ignorance (sadly, but tru)
bein the best
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the only thing nas have advantage in is he lyrics....
i belive that 90% of the cd nas is selling is bought by people in eastcoast..... his music isnt wide.... wu tang have much more respect in west than nas....
I have said tha Snoop is more influential than Nas, i was makin tha point that Nas is not an flavor of tha month, and very influential
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i think this is what everyone is tryin to say........
nas one of the greatest "emcee's" of all time, represents the essence of hip hop
snoop dogg a mutha fuckin "rap star". got skillz for dayz, major influence on the rap game and society. a entertainer
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i think this is what everyone is tryin to say........
nas one of the greatest "emcee's" of all time, represents the essence of hip hop
snoop dogg a mutha fuckin "rap star". got skillz for dayz, major influence on the rap game and society. a entertainer
exactly, but look at some people an they are tryin to say nas has done shit
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im runinin a good topic, atleast i know what im talkin about. Nas didnt help put tha eastg back on tha map, thats why he had a 5 mic album while ready 2 die an 36 chambers werent given 5 mics back than. Nas had 1 hit ::), whatever you say man. been in tha game since 92, 1 classic, 2 great albums, ight he has 2 shitty albums. An all his albums have gone atleast platnium, yup thats real flavor of tha month credentials. If u dont like nas, thats cool, but tryin to discredit what he has done for rap is bull shit
like the homie a few posts up said snoop with two albums has sold more than nas...so what are u trying to prove with nas going platinum?...hammer sold more than nas...so did vanilla ice...but they were flavors of the month just like nas....and u know what its called MY OPINION homie....to me...in cali....nas is a flavor of the month....people out here are barely finding out who he is....sure he has a classic...but its an underground classic....just like brotha lynchs SEASON OF DA SICCNESS...its a classic...but an underground classic...meaning that not many people are aware of it....DOGGYSTYLE was a COMMERCIAL and UNDERGROUND classic....as thats how his fan based ranged....and ur talking about mics....fuck mics.....mics dont mean a damn thing....they didnt give doggysty or the chronic 5 mics....they didnt give many CLASSICS 5 mics....so dont even go to that point....and snoop only has one shitty album....2 strong albums....1 very strong album....a classic.....plus two strong collab albums...and countless other albums that he has had a huge hand in.....where as nas has one shitty collab album....a shitty compilation..a classic...u say 2 good albums...i think its 4 mediocre albums..and no he hasnt done a fucking thing for rap....biggie, wu tang, krs-one, mc shan, grandmaster caz, afrika bambataa(spelling), grandmaster flash, melle mel...those are people on the east that did shit for the rap game...not nas....OK?.....ok....
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like the homie a few posts up said snoop with two albums has sold more than nas...so what are u trying to prove with nas going platinum?...hammer sold more than nas...so did vanilla ice...but they were flavors of the month just like nas....and u know what its called MY OPINION homie....to me...in cali....nas is a flavor of the month....people out here are barely finding out who he is....sure he has a classic...but its an underground classic....just like brotha lynchs SEASON OF DA SICCNESS...its a classic...but an underground classic...meaning that not many people are aware of it....DOGGYSTYLE was a COMMERCIAL and UNDERGROUND classic....as thats how his fan based ranged....and ur talking about mics....fuck mics.....mics dont mean a damn thing....they didnt give doggysty or the chronic 5 mics....they didnt give many CLASSICS 5 mics....so dont even go to that point....and snoop only has one shitty album....2 strong albums....1 very strong album....a classic.....plus two strong collab albums...and countless other albums that he has had a huge hand in.....where as nas has one shitty collab album....a shitty compilation..a classic...u say 2 good albums...i think its 4 mediocre albums..and no he hasnt done a fucking thing for rap....biggie, wu tang, krs-one, mc shan, grandmaster caz, afrika bambataa(spelling), grandmaster flash, melle mel...those are people on the east that did shit for the rap game...not nas....OK?.....ok....
explain this than, since its obvious u r a nas hater, how is he a flavor of tha month when he has been in tha game as long as snoop has an sold constitant. 4 mediocre albums, LoL, too bad snoop cant put an album out on tha level of iww or stillmatic unless dre saves snoop underacheiving washed up ass. Also i think u need to re-define your definition of flavor of tha month. U may not like Nas, but he is no way in hell a flavor of tha month rapper
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well, i dont think we can tell if hes "flavor of tha month" yet. why dont we start this thread back up in a year lol. I think this is where i dont see Nas's influence. Tha 5 mic rating for one...doesnt mean shit. We all know that tha source cant rate for SHIT (if yur not eastcoast, yur not 5 mic basically) But, although Nas has been successful in selling records....which alotta people are. I havent seen anything that u can say "Nas brought THAT to tha game". I mean, i aint tryna discredit whetha he a good rapper or not. i dont care for him, but thas jus mah opinion. But, i cant think of any style, or anyTHING...that originated frum Nas. Snoop, brought a certain style that a lotta otha rappers tried to imitate. Dre n NWA...along wit snoop....helped bring tha nation "gangsta rap". Wu-tang brought their own style, n had other eastcoast rappers followin in their footsteps. Master P (although his shit is trash now), put tha south SERIOUSLY on tha map and we've seen so many rappers frum down south mimickin his style. tha list goes on. but...i dont see what Nas has come with...that wasnt here before him. what did he bring to tha rap game...that he could claim as HIS doing? i jus cant think of any.
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well, Doggystyle COMPLETELY changed tha face of rap. Nas has yet to be able to do that, and i seriously doubt he eva will. Nas is honestly overrated to me.
I believe "THE CHRONIC" waz da album dat revolutionized and changed tha game..."DOGGYSTYLE"z timing (shortly after the chronic...) and momentum waz created by "the chronic"...so ya can"t say dat snoop waz da one to revolutionize....aside of this...."doggystyle" waz a stuning album....productionwise and rap-skillwise....
but "illmatic" waz on a whole other lyrical level.
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I believe "THE CHRONIC" waz da album dat revolutionized and changed tha game..."DOGGYSTYLE"z timing (shortly after the chronic...) and momentum waz created by "the chronic"...so ya can"t say dat snoop waz da one to revolutionize....aside of this...."doggystyle" waz a stuning album....productionwise and rap-skillwise....
but "illmatic" waz on a whole other lyrical level.
but how did illmatic INFLUENCE rap at all? thas what im askin? i aint tryna argue with anyone whether it was good or not, thas all opinion. im jus askin, who, how, n what did it Influence in hip-hop?
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but how did illmatic INFLUENCE rap at all? thas what im askin? i aint tryna argue with anyone whether it was good or not, thas all opinion. im jus askin, who, how, n what did it Influence in hip-hop?
Illmatic"z influence waz prolly one of tha most important at those dayz...and although it wazn"t comersially sucsessfull it made many rapperz pay much mo attention on lyricz (at tha dayz when g-funk ruled tha game...and as you know g-funk blessed shit relyez on tha sound rather than the content).
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explain this than, since its obvious u r a nas hater, how is he a flavor of tha month when he has been in tha game as long as snoop has an sold constitant. 4 mediocre albums, LoL, too bad snoop cant put an album out on tha level of iww or stillmatic unless dre saves snoop underacheiving washed up ass. Also i think u need to re-define your definition of flavor of tha month. U may not like Nas, but he is no way in hell a flavor of tha month rapper
nas hater?....that word hater....lol...i just laugh off all that use that....how is im a hater?...i dislike the man...doesnt make a hater.....ur fumbling everything homie....these things are called MY OPINIONS....just cuz i dont agree with u doesnt make me a "hater"....i dont care how long hes been in the game...TO ME hes still a flavor of the month....as for snoop making an album as good as illmatic(not stillmatic cuz that album is WAY TOO overrhyped) without dre....well dont that would happen....snoops shit sounds the best on a dre beat...nas spends more times on his lyrics than snoop does...which proves how major snoop is...snoop could spit the abc over a dre beat and that shit would blow up....hes at that level...nas isnt...thats how it is and thats how it will be....ive had enough of this psuedo conversation....but i will continue to stand with my views.....nas is nowhere near snoop!!!
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Illmatic"z influence waz prolly one of tha most important at those dayz...and although it wazn"t comersially sucsessfull it made many rapperz pay much mo attention on lyricz (at tha dayz when g-funk ruled tha game...and as you know g-funk blessed shit relyez on tha sound rather than the content).
ok thas coo, but i think wu-tang played a MUCH MUCH MUCH bigger role in that, then Nas did. It wasnt Nas's doing IMO.
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Im just gonna say this, Tom187 has been the only cat in this thread with anything really intelligent to say.
I cant believe people are fronting on Illmatic and saying it had no impact. Illmatic is one of the most influential albums ever made......this shouldnt even be questioned.
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Im just gonna say this, Tom187 has been the only cat in this thread with anything really intelligent to say.
I cant believe people are fronting on Illmatic and saying it had no impact. Illmatic is one of the most influential albums ever made......this shouldnt even be questioned.
why is that? cus tom likes nas...so hes tha only one sayin anything intelligent? what a stupid fukin comment. i aint been disrespectin nobody for they opinion n u wanna say sum dumb shit like that. whateva. Tha thing is....for all tha Nas supporters, all ive been askin...is WHAT INFLUENCE DID NAS HAVE? so far....i havent got an answer. Only statements like..."Illmatic is one of the most influential albums ever made". can i get a REASON? what about him has been influencial, n WHO or WHAT has he influenced (besides OTHER eastcoast artists)?
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xzactly.. when doggystyle came out, everybody in west AND EAST started bumpin it, going around with "al borland" shirts and screamin "dogg pound", "lbc" and all that.. MTV showed the videos all the time and the disco's were playing it all the time... alotta similar albums started to be produced
when illmatic came out, nothing happened.... sorry to say that, but nothing happened.... west didnt give a fuck, even alotta eastcoasters didnt give a fuck.... but new yorks underground rappers raised the album to the sky... but an influence to hiphop??? nah....
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ok thas coo, but i think wu-tang played a MUCH MUCH MUCH bigger role in that, then Nas did. It wasnt Nas's doing IMO.
yea...."36 chamberz" waz one of tha most influensial piecez as well....but "illmatic" raised it"z own influence...it ain"t like it waz done in tha same direction......"illmatic" gave a mo poetic influence to tha game...many rappaz waz influenced by it.
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xzactly.. when doggystyle came out, everybody in west AND EAST started bumpin it, going around with "al borland" shirts and screamin "dogg pound", "lbc" and all that.. MTV showed the videos all the time and the disco's were playing it all the time... alotta similar albums started to be produced
so tha same thing is happenin wit nelly does that make him one of tha influential of all time, NO, fuck what tha masses think b/c its about tha real fans. Ask any hip-hop head what albums brought back tha east an there say, ready 2 die, 36 chambers, an ILLMATIC. Illmatic raised tha bar for lyrical excellence in rap. Albums are compared to this 1 when it comes to lyrics, it like when how all rap tribute songs are pretty much measured up to tha crossroads. And to tha person that says Nas is a flavor of tha month, lay off tha crack, a flavor of tha month is some1 that drops one album every1 loves an than is forgotten about. Nas is at a high point of his career, that seems more logical. Cuz once his high point ends, he still has a large fan base an would still sell 1-2x platnium. A flavor of tha month woudlnt even go gold. I dont know how any1 can front on illmatic. Since every1 fronts on illmatic, imma front on doggystyle, it is a carbon copy of tha chronic, how is it influential when tha chronic did that sound 1st an blew up first. Im not sayin illmatic is more influential than doggystyle b/c its not, it not even on tha same page. But you cant front on illmatic. An who cares about who has been in more movies an has there own clothing line, or sells more cuz bottom line it comes down to tha music an is my eyes, since they both dropped there debuts albums, i gotte give nas tha advantage when it comes to makin music.
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so tha same thing is happenin wit nelly does that make him one of tha influential of all time, NO, fuck what tha masses think b/c its about tha real fans. Ask any hip-hop head what albums brought back tha east an there say, ready 2 die, 36 chambers, an ILLMATIC. Illmatic raised tha bar for lyrical excellence in rap. Albums are compared to this 1 when it comes to lyrics, it like when how all rap tribute songs are pretty much measured up to tha crossroads. And to tha person that says Nas is a flavor of tha month, lay off tha crack, a flavor of tha month is some1 that drops one album every1 loves an than is forgotten about. Nas is at a high point of his career, that seems more logical. Cuz once his high point ends, he still has a large fan base an would still sell 1-2x platnium. A flavor of tha month woudlnt even go gold. I dont know how any1 can front on illmatic. Since every1 fronts on illmatic, imma front on doggystyle, it is a carbon copy of tha chronic, how is it influential when tha chronic did that sound 1st an blew up first. Im not sayin illmatic is more influential than doggystyle b/c its not, it not even on tha same page. But you cant front on illmatic. An who cares about who has been in more movies an has there own clothing line, or sells more cuz bottom line it comes down to tha music an is my eyes, since they both dropped there debuts albums, i gotte give nas tha advantage when it comes to makin music.
see, i dont feel nelly at ALL really. But i dont see Nas's influence anymore then his. tha keyword....is INFLUENCE. not that nelly is a better MC....shit, nelly aint a better MC then almost anybody, hes trash. But influence is what im talkin bout. U dissin doggystyle now...makes NO sense. u wasnt dissin it before, n now jus cus people are disagreein wit u about Nas....u wanna diss it. that dont make no sense. And Doggystyle was FAR frum a carbon copy of The Chronic. a "True Hip Hop Fan" would have NEVA even made that comment. tha 2 albumz sounded NUTHING alike. We're arguin over whos more influencial. so unless ANYONE cane show that Nas is more influencial...(and it would be IMPOSSIBLE) then IMO, they aint got shit tah say on tha subject. We comin frum different parts of tha country Tom...im in kali, u in NY. Im sure Snoop isnt as big a deal in NY (in tha rap scene) as Nas right now. Jus tha same, out here Snoop is a bigger deal then Nas is right now. BUT...there was a time when Snoop was bigger then Nas...even in NY. And thas with a FAR bigger bias towards opposite-coast rappers then there is out here. Nas could NEVER say tha same for here. I understand sum people backin "their man", but damn...dont be blind. this shit is so fukin obvious...its gotten to tha point that its funny to watch people argue against snoop on this one.
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see, i dont feel nelly at ALL really. But i dont see Nas's influence anymore then his. tha keyword....is INFLUENCE. not that nelly is a better MC....shit, nelly aint a better MC then almost anybody, hes trash. But influence is what im talkin bout. U dissin doggystyle now...makes NO sense. u wasnt dissin it before, n now jus cus people are disagreein wit u about Nas....u wanna diss it. that dont make no sense. And Doggystyle was FAR frum a carbon copy of The Chronic. a "True Hip Hop Fan" would have NEVA even made that comment. tha 2 albumz sounded NUTHING alike. We're arguin over whos more influencial. so unless ANYONE cane show that Nas is more influencial...(and it would be IMPOSSIBLE) then IMO, they aint got shit tah say on tha subject. We comin frum different parts of tha country Tom...im in kali, u in NY. Im sure Snoop isnt as big a deal in NY (in tha rap scene) as Nas right now. Jus tha same, out here Snoop is a bigger deal then Nas is right now. BUT...there was a time when Snoop was bigger then Nas...even in NY. Nas could NEVER say tha same for here. I understand sum people backin "their man", but damn...dont be blind. this shit is so fukin obvious...its gotten to tha point that its funny to watch people argue against snoop on this one.
i have said it like 10 times already, doggystyle is far more influential than illmatic, jus check this post b/c i have said it already. But illmatic is very influential in rap history, not as much as doggystyle, im not arguing tha point that illmatic is more influential than doggystyle b/c it is not, im arguing tha point that illmatic is an influential album though
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i have said it like 10 times already, doggystyle is far more influential than illmatic, jus check this post b/c i have said it already. But illmatic is very influential in rap history, not as much as doggystyle, im not arguing tha point that illmatic is more influential than doggystyle b/c it is not, im arguing tha point that illmatic is an influential album though
aiight aiight. im aint tryna argue wit u no more about this shit. we jus gonna go back n forth regardless lol. peace
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i just got one question....why is it, if nas is "the greatest" from new york, then how come is that only recently it is being said?....if he was the greatest then from the begining he wouldve been billed that...he wasnt....in closing....snoop, from his inception, has been considered a great, a legend and what have you...nas hasnt...not taking away from his lyricism(which there is better than him but i dont feel like arguing about that) but hes not that great....snoop hands down more influencial
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i just got one question....why is it, if nas is "the greatest" from new york, then how come is that only recently it is being said?....if he was the greatest then from the begining he wouldve been billed that...he wasnt....in closing....snoop, from his inception, has been considered a great, a legend and what have you...nas hasnt...not taking away from his lyricism(which there is better than him but i dont feel like arguing about that) but hes not that great....snoop hands down more influencial
i guess being called tha next rakim an tha rakim of tha 90's means jack shit, an like i said b4, i am not comparing tha influence snoop had over nas b/c i have said that snoop has had a much larger influence, but nas has had a big influence.
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i just got one question....why is it, if nas is "the greatest" from new york, then how come is that only recently it is being said?....if he was the greatest then from the begining he wouldve been billed that...he wasnt....
true but jusst before that , people did the same thing ,except of stating nas name they state jay-z... don't need to argue more about this shit, i think that people here got both of your opignion right, ya'll won't get along on 1 only. just look foward ;D
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true but jusst before that , people did the same thing ,except of stating nas name they state jay-z... don't need to argue more about this shit, i think that people here got both of your opignion right, ya'll won't get along on 1 only. just look foward ;D
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