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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: 7even on February 08, 2006, 04:19:27 PM
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I Own Phil Jackson
Not literally of course. That thrill belongs to the smartest businesswoman in professional sports, Jeannie Buss. Figuratively however, the coach formerly known as the Zen Master must now be considered my bucket boy.
This wasnt an acquisition I proactively pursued. There wasnt an official competition that I won, thereby confirming my dominance of his psyche. Instead Phil has initiated an ongoing commentary about me that started in his previous stint with the Lakers and was reinstated this year with his return, that proves that I own the guy.
For whatever reason, I have gotten to Phil so completely and thoroughly that every time he comes to Dallas he has to offer unsolicited comments about me to the media. I wonder if he dreams about me the nights he spends here in Dallas. Ok, I dont wonder. Im curious about it.
How can the NBA coach with so many championship rings find me so intimidating ? I really dont know, but he said as much in December when he called me an “intimidating force” to the LA Times
”consider a place like Dallas, where the owner runs around, pumps up the volume, intimidates the referees and … has announcers as hired cheerleaders, which is an intimidating force.”
Then of course last night he again took the initiative to comment to the media about how I am such a presence in the NBA, that i turn the officials into “nervous nellies”. Implying that I can have more influence on the outcome of a game than his coaching skills. I wish. But if Phil wants to think so. Im fine with that. Thats what happens when you own someone, they cant get you out of their head, and they dont often think , speak or act rationally.
I guess Phil was so overwhelmed that it caused him to take back to back delay of game penalties and the technical foul that comes with it, rather than send his team out to the court at the conclusion of a timeout in the 4th quarter.
Of course the officials werent intimidated. At least no more than the other officials who have given Kobe technical fouls to the tune of a league leading 11. Maybe, instead of being so concerned with Mark Cuban, Phil should be worried about the new rule in place that causes a player to be suspended a game after he gets his 16th technical foul of the season. And if I remember correctly, every technical after 16 results in a 1 game suspension as well. Cant wait to hear what he has to say when that happens….
Of course I dont truly believe that I own Phil. This is all tongue in cheek, but that wont prevent me from walking up to him and saying “Boo” to see if he jumps, just to find out for sure :)
http://www.blogmaverick.com/entry/1234000730073529/
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Rings:
Phil 9
Cuban 0
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Rings:
Phil 9
Cuban 0
$:
Cuban: couple billions
Phil: some millions
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Rings:
Phil 9
Cuban 0
$:
Cuban: couple billions
Phil: some millions
Cuban: Spends millions trying to win rings
Phil: Makes millions winning rings
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Mavs >> Lakers
Phil: Got lucky with his teams.. barely makes the playoffs with a team that doesn't involve the best SG or the best C ever and a great sidekick each
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Mavs >> Lakers
Phil: Got lucky with his teams.. barely makes the playoffs with a team that doesn't involve the best SG or the best C ever and a great sidekick each
How many rings did Jordan & Pippen have without Phil? How about Kobe & Shaq?
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Mavs >> Lakers
Phil: Got lucky with his teams.. barely makes the playoffs with a team that doesn't involve the best SG or the best C ever and a great sidekick each
How many rings did Jordan & Pippen have without Phil? How about Kobe & Shaq?
no doubt he's a great coach but let's not act as if he could do magic tricks nigga
let's not disgress. cuban bucked phil.
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LOL @ the "boo" part
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Cuban is like a kid in a candy store. He had the $$, bought a team, made them contenders. He's a huge fan of the game, and he gets to do whatever he wants with it. I'm jealous.
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^lol so true.
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Phil Jackson is right, Mark Cuban is mad about it...The league is basically on Cuban's nuts, especially the officials. Mark Cuban is one of the biggest bitches in sports today...That's no lie. He mentally manipulates people. He uses his words to his advantage more than any NBA personell I've ever seen. Are you telling me that the refs didn't call those 2 touch fouls flagrant fouls because of Cuban's presence? That's bullshit...The game verse Dallas was honestly one of the worst officiated games I've ever seen. It was so blatant that the refs were 100% siding with Dallas...Phil Jackson put shit in perspective and Mark Cuban's just bitchin' about it...LOL
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Mavs >> Lakers
Phil: Got lucky with his teams.. barely makes the playoffs with a team that doesn't involve the best SG or the best C ever and a great sidekick each
How many rings did Jordan & Pippen have without Phil? How about Kobe & Shaq?
lol how many rings does Phil have without Jordan/Pippen? Kobe/Shaq?
What did Red Aurbach say about Phil? "He picks his spots"
as for the Cuban quote. remember, Cuban is responding to Phil's accusations that the referees favor the Mavs when they go t Dallas cus theyre intimidated by Cuban. Because he has people review the tapes of the games and sends them into the league if there are mistakes. So Phil said that the Mavs have an unfair advantage. Cuban sayin he "owns Phil" is him saying that Phil thinks about him so much, that he must own him. Im not a big Cuban fan, but honestly i dont see anything wrong with him having ex-referees exam tapes of the games and send them to the league offices when there are big mistakes made. The only problem is that the other owners dont do the same. Ive always hated the idea that the refs are SO untouchable. They SHOULD be held more accountable when they fuck up.
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Mavs >> Lakers
Phil: Got lucky with his teams.. barely makes the playoffs with a team that doesn't involve the best SG or the best C ever and a great sidekick each
How many rings did Jordan & Pippen have without Phil? How about Kobe & Shaq?
lol how many rings does Phil have without Jordan/Pippen? Kobe/Shaq?
What did Red Aurbach say about Phil? "He picks his spots"
as for the Cuban quote. remember, Cuban is responding to Phil's accusations that the referees favor the Mavs when they go t Dallas cus theyre intimidated by Cuban. Because he has people review the tapes of the games and sends them into the league if there are mistakes. So Phil said that the Mavs have an unfair advantage. Cuban sayin he "owns Phil" is him saying that Phil thinks about him so much, that he must own him. Im not a big Cuban fan, but honestly i dont see anything wrong with him having ex-referees exam tapes of the games and send them to the league offices when there are big mistakes made. The only problem is that the other owners dont do the same. Ive always hated the idea that the refs are SO untouchable. They SHOULD be held more accountable when they fuck up.
Bottom line, the officiating last night in Dallas more than proved Phil Jackson's point...Mark Cuban simply got extra bitter about it.
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Mavs >> Lakers
Phil: Got lucky with his teams.. barely makes the playoffs with a team that doesn't involve the best SG or the best C ever and a great sidekick each
How many rings did Jordan & Pippen have without Phil? How about Kobe & Shaq?
lol how many rings does Phil have without Jordan/Pippen? Kobe/Shaq?
What did Red Aurbach say about Phil? "He picks his spots"
Like Red Aurbach is one to talk, he had Russel & Havlichek. The Celtics won with Russel as a player/coach.
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Mavs >> Lakers
Phil: Got lucky with his teams.. barely makes the playoffs with a team that doesn't involve the best SG or the best C ever and a great sidekick each
How many rings did Jordan & Pippen have without Phil? How about Kobe & Shaq?
lol how many rings does Phil have without Jordan/Pippen? Kobe/Shaq?
What did Red Aurbach say about Phil? "He picks his spots"
as for the Cuban quote. remember, Cuban is responding to Phil's accusations that the referees favor the Mavs when they go t Dallas cus theyre intimidated by Cuban. Because he has people review the tapes of the games and sends them into the league if there are mistakes. So Phil said that the Mavs have an unfair advantage. Cuban sayin he "owns Phil" is him saying that Phil thinks about him so much, that he must own him. Im not a big Cuban fan, but honestly i dont see anything wrong with him having ex-referees exam tapes of the games and send them to the league offices when there are big mistakes made. The only problem is that the other owners dont do the same. Ive always hated the idea that the refs are SO untouchable. They SHOULD be held more accountable when they fuck up.
Bottom line, the officiating last night in Dallas more than proved Phil Jackson's point...Mark Cuban simply got extra bitter about it.
i didnt watch the game, so i dunno about last nights game. but the thing im sayin is, if more owners or GM's or whatever stood up the officiating when its bad (as in, sending in official complaints and video tape to the league office), then no one would have any type of advantage (if Cuban really does have one). Also, the refs WOULD be ontop of their game a little more with the added pressure to perform. believe me man, im not defending Cuban. I dont hate the guy, but i dont like him either. he's kind of a fuckin wierdo to me anyways. i was just respondin to the dood who thought this was all Cuban goin after Phil...when really it was Phil complaining about Cuban.
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Mavs >> Lakers
Phil: Got lucky with his teams.. barely makes the playoffs with a team that doesn't involve the best SG or the best C ever and a great sidekick each
How many rings did Jordan & Pippen have without Phil? How about Kobe & Shaq?
lol how many rings does Phil have without Jordan/Pippen? Kobe/Shaq?
What did Red Aurbach say about Phil? "He picks his spots"
Like Red Aurbach is one to talk, he had Russel & Havlichek. The Celtics won with Russel as a player/coach.
ok..so according to your quote. Phil was reason the Bulls and Lakers 3peated? Not Jordan, Pippen, Shaq, Kobe? lol Phil has always been overrated to me. He's a good coach and all, but not nearly as good as his win percentage says. This year he FINALLY has a team that isnt expected to at least compete for a title. It isnt like he's Larry Brown who has gone to numerous teams that were in terrible shape when he got there.
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Mavs >> Lakers
Phil: Got lucky with his teams.. barely makes the playoffs with a team that doesn't involve the best SG or the best C ever and a great sidekick each
How many rings did Jordan & Pippen have without Phil? How about Kobe & Shaq?
lol how many rings does Phil have without Jordan/Pippen? Kobe/Shaq?
What did Red Aurbach say about Phil? "He picks his spots"
as for the Cuban quote. remember, Cuban is responding to Phil's accusations that the referees favor the Mavs when they go t Dallas cus theyre intimidated by Cuban. Because he has people review the tapes of the games and sends them into the league if there are mistakes. So Phil said that the Mavs have an unfair advantage. Cuban sayin he "owns Phil" is him saying that Phil thinks about him so much, that he must own him. Im not a big Cuban fan, but honestly i dont see anything wrong with him having ex-referees exam tapes of the games and send them to the league offices when there are big mistakes made. The only problem is that the other owners dont do the same. Ive always hated the idea that the refs are SO untouchable. They SHOULD be held more accountable when they fuck up.
Bottom line, the officiating last night in Dallas more than proved Phil Jackson's point...Mark Cuban simply got extra bitter about it.
i didnt watch the game, so i dunno about last nights game. but the thing im sayin is, if more owners or GM's or whatever stood up the officiating when its bad (as in, sending in official complaints and video tape to the league office), then no one would have any type of advantage (if Cuban really does have one). Also, the refs WOULD be ontop of their game a little more with the added pressure to perform. believe me man, im not defending Cuban. I dont hate the guy, but i dont like him either. he's kind of a fuckin wierdo to me anyways. i was just respondin to the dood who thought this was all Cuban goin after Phil...when really it was Phil complaining about Cuban.
They called 2 flagarnt fouls in the first couple of minutes that you could tell weren't flagarnt easily. Then they kept on Ting up Lakers. I've seen Kobe take harder fouls that weren't even called fouls let alone a flagarnt.
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Mavs >> Lakers
Phil: Got lucky with his teams.. barely makes the playoffs with a team that doesn't involve the best SG or the best C ever and a great sidekick each
How many rings did Jordan & Pippen have without Phil? How about Kobe & Shaq?
lol how many rings does Phil have without Jordan/Pippen? Kobe/Shaq?
What did Red Aurbach say about Phil? "He picks his spots"
Like Red Aurbach is one to talk, he had Russel & Havlichek. The Celtics won with Russel as a player/coach.
ok..so according to your quote. Phil was reason the Bulls and Lakers 3peated? Not Jordan, Pippen, Shaq, Kobe? lol Phil has always been overrated to me. He's a good coach and all, but not nearly as good as his win percentage says. This year he FINALLY has a team that isnt expected to at least compete for a title. It isnt like he's Larry Brown who has gone to numerous teams that were in terrible shape when he got there.
I'm not saying he's not the reason behind, but he was a major catalyst. The fact of the matter is both Pippen & Joran and Kobe & Shaq played a couple of years together and didn't do anything but make it to the playoffs and they both won when he got there.
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Mavs >> Lakers
Phil: Got lucky with his teams.. barely makes the playoffs with a team that doesn't involve the best SG or the best C ever and a great sidekick each
How many rings did Jordan & Pippen have without Phil? How about Kobe & Shaq?
lol how many rings does Phil have without Jordan/Pippen? Kobe/Shaq?
What did Red Aurbach say about Phil? "He picks his spots"
as for the Cuban quote. remember, Cuban is responding to Phil's accusations that the referees favor the Mavs when they go t Dallas cus theyre intimidated by Cuban. Because he has people review the tapes of the games and sends them into the league if there are mistakes. So Phil said that the Mavs have an unfair advantage. Cuban sayin he "owns Phil" is him saying that Phil thinks about him so much, that he must own him. Im not a big Cuban fan, but honestly i dont see anything wrong with him having ex-referees exam tapes of the games and send them to the league offices when there are big mistakes made. The only problem is that the other owners dont do the same. Ive always hated the idea that the refs are SO untouchable. They SHOULD be held more accountable when they fuck up.
Bottom line, the officiating last night in Dallas more than proved Phil Jackson's point...Mark Cuban simply got extra bitter about it.
i didnt watch the game, so i dunno about last nights game. but the thing im sayin is, if more owners or GM's or whatever stood up the officiating when its bad (as in, sending in official complaints and video tape to the league office), then no one would have any type of advantage (if Cuban really does have one). Also, the refs WOULD be ontop of their game a little more with the added pressure to perform. believe me man, im not defending Cuban. I dont hate the guy, but i dont like him either. he's kind of a fuckin wierdo to me anyways. i was just respondin to the dood who thought this was all Cuban goin after Phil...when really it was Phil complaining about Cuban.
They called 2 flagarnt fouls in the first couple of minutes that you could tell weren't flagarnt easily. Then they kept on Ting up Lakers. I've seen Kobe take harder fouls that weren't even called fouls let alone a flagarnt.
yeah i dunno. maybe it was officialed badly. who knows. Phil has been in the league how long now tho? To assume its ALL because of Cuban is a little paranoid tho. I mean, maybe it is i dunno. None of us do. Phil wouldnt even know. But i guarentee you Phil has been on the positive side of PLENTY of officiated games so he should suck it up. He's had Jordan who would draw a foul on a defender before the game started. And Kobe who gets his fair share off ticky tack calls in his favor every game. he's had Fish who would flop and get a call if u breathed on him. Shit, he even had the Mailman, who flopped all game even when a 5'10", 175 pound point guard ran into him.
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Mavs >> Lakers
Phil: Got lucky with his teams.. barely makes the playoffs with a team that doesn't involve the best SG or the best C ever and a great sidekick each
How many rings did Jordan & Pippen have without Phil? How about Kobe & Shaq?
lol how many rings does Phil have without Jordan/Pippen? Kobe/Shaq?
What did Red Aurbach say about Phil? "He picks his spots"
Like Red Aurbach is one to talk, he had Russel & Havlichek. The Celtics won with Russel as a player/coach.
ok..so according to your quote. Phil was reason the Bulls and Lakers 3peated? Not Jordan, Pippen, Shaq, Kobe? lol Phil has always been overrated to me. He's a good coach and all, but not nearly as good as his win percentage says. This year he FINALLY has a team that isnt expected to at least compete for a title. It isnt like he's Larry Brown who has gone to numerous teams that were in terrible shape when he got there.
I'm not saying he's not the reason behind, but he was a major catalyst. The fact of the matter is both Pippen & Joran and Kobe & Shaq played a couple of years together and didn't do anything but make it to the playoffs and they both won when he got there.
that is a fact. but when he doesnt win a championship this year all that really goes out the window. your argument is that those guys never won a championship with Phil. This year, Phil wont win a championship without them. he has Kobe sure, but he doesnt have some great team like he's had. coaching is great, and coaches are important. but when it comes down to it, coaches dont win championships...players do.
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no doubt he's a great coach but let's not act as if he could do magic tricks nigga
let's not hate too much today ;)
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Oh shit, the NBA looks like italian soccer now.. :-\
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Lol at those who think Phil is overrated coz he always has the chance to have great players. What about this year with this so young , unxeperienced team and so few bench deepness? You gonna tell me every coach in the nba would currently do that ?!!! you better kidding me
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We're 1 win-away from the 7th spot in the West, and we have the same record of Denver (3rd spot). Great job by Phil.
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Lol at those who think Phil is overrated coz he always has the chance to have great players. What about this year with this so young , unxeperienced team and so few bench deepness? You gonna tell me every coach in the nba would currently do that ?!!! you better kidding me
the definition of "overrated" is being rated higher then you should. no one ever said he isnt a great coach. but its pretty obvious that he's had some unbelievable help along the way because of the players he's had. he's probably had more talent during his championship runs then any coach has in recent history. he is one of the better coaches in the league thats a given. but i wouldnt even put him in the top 3.
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Lol at those who think Phil is overrated coz he always has the chance to have great players. What about this year with this so young , unxeperienced team and so few bench deepness? You gonna tell me every coach in the nba would currently do that ?!!! you better kidding me
the definition of "overrated" is being rated higher then you should. no one ever said he isnt a great coach. but its pretty obvious that he's had some unbelievable help along the way because of the players he's had. he's probably had more talent during his championship runs then any coach has in recent history. he is one of the better coaches in the league thats a given. but i wouldnt even put him in the top 3.
Sorry but that's 100% bullshit. First of all it's not only that Phil was "lucky" to have the pleasure to coach Jordan and Pippen. It's Jordan and Pippen who wanted to be coached only by Phil, cause they thought Phil was fundamental. Remember Jordan when his contract with the Bulls ended? He basically retired because Phil left. And Pippen went to Portland for the same reason. So give him some props, man. The two you say were fundamental to win them rings gave Phil 50% of the props. But you are denying it just cause he's the coach of the Lakers. And about L.A., the most skilled team i remember from the last couple of years is the last Del Harris one: no rings. Miami is a skilled team too (Wade+Shaq+them all): no rings. Portland was a fully loaded team (with Pippen too): no rings (tsk, it feels good being a Laker fan). Dallas has billions to spend to make a good team, but still no rings. Phoenix is mad skilled: no rings. The Kings were probably better a couple of years ago, but the Lakers won. Your Spurs were a great team too, but we won more. You can't simply say Phil was lucky to coach them, c'mon. The difference between him and the rest of todays NBA coaches is that he won rings, the others didn't. Except 2-3 of them. Phil had the intelligence and the knowledge to win it all. 9x. Give the dude some credits.
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Lol at those who think Phil is overrated coz he always has the chance to have great players. What about this year with this so young , unxeperienced team and so few bench deepness? You gonna tell me every coach in the nba would currently do that ?!!! you better kidding me
the definition of "overrated" is being rated higher then you should. no one ever said he isnt a great coach. but its pretty obvious that he's had some unbelievable help along the way because of the players he's had. he's probably had more talent during his championship runs then any coach has in recent history. he is one of the better coaches in the league thats a given. but i wouldnt even put him in the top 3.
Sorry but that's 100% bullshit. First of all it's not only that Phil was "lucky" to have the pleasure to coach Jordan and Pippen. It's Jordan and Pippen who wanted to be coached only by Phil, cause they thought Phil was fundamental. Remember Jordan when his contract with the Bulls ended? He basically retired because Phil left. And Pippen went to Portland for the same reason. So give him some props, man. The two you say were fundamental to win them rings gave Phil 50% of the props. But you are denying it just cause he's the coach of the Lakers. And about L.A., the most skilled team i remember from the last couple of years is the last Del Harris one: no rings. Miami is a skilled team too (Wade+Shaq+them all): no rings. Portland was a fully loaded team (with Pippen too): no rings (tsk, it feels good being a Laker fan). Dallas has billions to spend to make a good team, but still no rings. Phoenix is mad skilled: no rings. The Kings were probably better a couple of years ago, but the Lakers won. Your Spurs were a great team too, but we won more. You can't simply say Phil was lucky to coach them, c'mon. The difference between him and the rest of todays NBA coaches is that he won rings, the others didn't. Except 2-3 of them. Phil had the intelligence and the knowledge to win it all. 9x. Give the dude some credits.
i didnt really read your whole post, i admit. like i said, if the Lakers win the championship this year. then i was wrong. if not, then im right.
also, arent u the same guy that had no confidence in your team earlier? i cant quite remember, but werent u and NIK arguing back n forth because he kept supporting the Lakers when u werent? So dont come at me with that "Laker fan" bullshit. I dont consider u one.
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Lol at those who think Phil is overrated coz he always has the chance to have great players. What about this year with this so young , unxeperienced team and so few bench deepness? You gonna tell me every coach in the nba would currently do that ?!!! you better kidding me
the definition of "overrated" is being rated higher then you should. no one ever said he isnt a great coach. but its pretty obvious that he's had some unbelievable help along the way because of the players he's had. he's probably had more talent during his championship runs then any coach has in recent history. he is one of the better coaches in the league thats a given. but i wouldnt even put him in the top 3.
Sorry but that's 100% bullshit. First of all it's not only that Phil was "lucky" to have the pleasure to coach Jordan and Pippen. It's Jordan and Pippen who wanted to be coached only by Phil, cause they thought Phil was fundamental. Remember Jordan when his contract with the Bulls ended? He basically retired because Phil left. And Pippen went to Portland for the same reason. So give him some props, man. The two you say were fundamental to win them rings gave Phil 50% of the props. But you are denying it just cause he's the coach of the Lakers. And about L.A., the most skilled team i remember from the last couple of years is the last Del Harris one: no rings. Miami is a skilled team too (Wade+Shaq+them all): no rings. Portland was a fully loaded team (with Pippen too): no rings (tsk, it feels good being a Laker fan). Dallas has billions to spend to make a good team, but still no rings. Phoenix is mad skilled: no rings. The Kings were probably better a couple of years ago, but the Lakers won. Your Spurs were a great team too, but we won more. You can't simply say Phil was lucky to coach them, c'mon. The difference between him and the rest of todays NBA coaches is that he won rings, the others didn't. Except 2-3 of them. Phil had the intelligence and the knowledge to win it all. 9x. Give the dude some credits.
i didnt really read your whole post, i admit. like i said, if the Lakers win the championship this year. then i was wrong. if not, then im right.
also, arent u the same guy that had no confidence in your team earlier? i cant quite remember, but werent u and NIK arguing back n forth because he kept supporting the Lakers when u werent? So dont come at me with that "Laker fan" bullshit. I dont consider u one.
Fine. I'll never waste my time arguing with you again.
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. like i said, if the Lakers win the championship this year. then i was wrong. if not, then im right.
:sign_banhim:
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Mavs >> Lakers
Phil: Got lucky with his teams.. barely makes the playoffs with a team that doesn't involve the best SG or the best C ever and a great sidekick each
How many rings did Jordan & Pippen have without Phil? How about Kobe & Shaq?
lol how many rings does Phil have without Jordan/Pippen? Kobe/Shaq?
What did Red Aurbach say about Phil? "He picks his spots"
as for the Cuban quote. remember, Cuban is responding to Phil's accusations that the referees favor the Mavs when they go t Dallas cus theyre intimidated by Cuban. Because he has people review the tapes of the games and sends them into the league if there are mistakes. So Phil said that the Mavs have an unfair advantage. Cuban sayin he "owns Phil" is him saying that Phil thinks about him so much, that he must own him. Im not a big Cuban fan, but honestly i dont see anything wrong with him having ex-referees exam tapes of the games and send them to the league offices when there are big mistakes made. The only problem is that the other owners dont do the same. Ive always hated the idea that the refs are SO untouchable. They SHOULD be held more accountable when they fuck up.
Bottom line, the officiating last night in Dallas more than proved Phil Jackson's point...Mark Cuban simply got extra bitter about it.
i didnt watch the game, so i dunno about last nights game. but the thing im sayin is, if more owners or GM's or whatever stood up the officiating when its bad (as in, sending in official complaints and video tape to the league office), then no one would have any type of advantage (if Cuban really does have one). Also, the refs WOULD be ontop of their game a little more with the added pressure to perform. believe me man, im not defending Cuban. I dont hate the guy, but i dont like him either. he's kind of a fuckin wierdo to me anyways. i was just respondin to the dood who thought this was all Cuban goin after Phil...when really it was Phil complaining about Cuban.
Yea, complaints should be made and it should strengthen officiating, but it shouldn't give one owners team the advantage due to the fact that no one else but him complains. Reffing should be fair regardless, there's no excuse. Whether Jackson chooses to interrogate the refs or not should not have an affect on the fairness of the refs...
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Mavs >> Lakers
Phil: Got lucky with his teams.. barely makes the playoffs with a team that doesn't involve the best SG or the best C ever and a great sidekick each
How many rings did Jordan & Pippen have without Phil? How about Kobe & Shaq?
lol how many rings does Phil have without Jordan/Pippen? Kobe/Shaq?
What did Red Aurbach say about Phil? "He picks his spots"
Like Red Aurbach is one to talk, he had Russel & Havlichek. The Celtics won with Russel as a player/coach.
ok..so according to your quote. Phil was reason the Bulls and Lakers 3peated? Not Jordan, Pippen, Shaq, Kobe? lol Phil has always been overrated to me. He's a good coach and all, but not nearly as good as his win percentage says. This year he FINALLY has a team that isnt expected to at least compete for a title. It isnt like he's Larry Brown who has gone to numerous teams that were in terrible shape when he got there.
Phil Jackson is an excellent coach, one of the greatest if not the greatest...There's nothing more to it. Look at the Lakers last year with Frank Hamblen as the head coach as opposed to this year with Phil...Red was making those comments because he's jealous that people look at Phil as the greatest coach and not him...It's pretty much bullshit, if you take into account the fact that the teams he's lead to domination weren't exactly dominating before he took over... :-\
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And Kobe who gets his fair share off ticky tack calls in his favor every game. he's had Fish who would flop and get a call if u breathed on him. Shit, he even had the Mailman, who flopped all game even when a 5'10", 175 pound point guard ran into him.
OMG. Man, are you fuckin' nuts? Kobe gets pounded almost every single time he takes it in...Only about 25% of those poundings actually get called. Why do you think Kobe has a league leading 11 techs? And you obviously don't know shit about basketball if you don't know what gaining position for the charge is. Derek Fisher was an expert at this, getting positioned does not equal a flop. Now Manu Ginobli, that's a whole different story...PeACe
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. like i said, if the Lakers win the championship this year. then i was wrong. if not, then im right.
:sign_banhim:
I wouldn't go as far as banning, but yes, that WAS an extremely dumb comment. LOL. So Phil has to win a championship with every team he coaches to prove he's great? That would prove he was God, not great...I don't see where your logic comes in. If Jackson leads this team to the playoffs, he's obviously excelled from what we had last year...PeACe
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CUBAN IS GOLDEN!
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Mavs >> Lakers
Phil: Got lucky with his teams.. barely makes the playoffs with a team that doesn't involve the best SG or the best C ever and a great sidekick each
How many rings did Jordan & Pippen have without Phil? How about Kobe & Shaq?
lol how many rings does Phil have without Jordan/Pippen? Kobe/Shaq?
What did Red Aurbach say about Phil? "He picks his spots"
as for the Cuban quote. remember, Cuban is responding to Phil's accusations that the referees favor the Mavs when they go t Dallas cus theyre intimidated by Cuban. Because he has people review the tapes of the games and sends them into the league if there are mistakes. So Phil said that the Mavs have an unfair advantage. Cuban sayin he "owns Phil" is him saying that Phil thinks about him so much, that he must own him. Im not a big Cuban fan, but honestly i dont see anything wrong with him having ex-referees exam tapes of the games and send them to the league offices when there are big mistakes made. The only problem is that the other owners dont do the same. Ive always hated the idea that the refs are SO untouchable. They SHOULD be held more accountable when they fuck up.
Bottom line, the officiating last night in Dallas more than proved Phil Jackson's point...Mark Cuban simply got extra bitter about it.
i didnt watch the game, so i dunno about last nights game. but the thing im sayin is, if more owners or GM's or whatever stood up the officiating when its bad (as in, sending in official complaints and video tape to the league office), then no one would have any type of advantage (if Cuban really does have one). Also, the refs WOULD be ontop of their game a little more with the added pressure to perform. believe me man, im not defending Cuban. I dont hate the guy, but i dont like him either. he's kind of a fuckin wierdo to me anyways. i was just respondin to the dood who thought this was all Cuban goin after Phil...when really it was Phil complaining about Cuban.
Yea, complaints should be made and it should strengthen officiating, but it shouldn't give one owners team the advantage due to the fact that no one else but him complains. Reffing should be fair regardless, there's no excuse. Whether Jackson chooses to interrogate the refs or not should not have an affect on the fairness of the refs...
i agree. but that means (to me) that if its allowed to send complaints to the league office, other teams should do it as well.
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Mavs >> Lakers
Phil: Got lucky with his teams.. barely makes the playoffs with a team that doesn't involve the best SG or the best C ever and a great sidekick each
How many rings did Jordan & Pippen have without Phil? How about Kobe & Shaq?
lol how many rings does Phil have without Jordan/Pippen? Kobe/Shaq?
What did Red Aurbach say about Phil? "He picks his spots"
Like Red Aurbach is one to talk, he had Russel & Havlichek. The Celtics won with Russel as a player/coach.
ok..so according to your quote. Phil was reason the Bulls and Lakers 3peated? Not Jordan, Pippen, Shaq, Kobe? lol Phil has always been overrated to me. He's a good coach and all, but not nearly as good as his win percentage says. This year he FINALLY has a team that isnt expected to at least compete for a title. It isnt like he's Larry Brown who has gone to numerous teams that were in terrible shape when he got there.
Phil Jackson is an excellent coach, one of the greatest if not the greatest...There's nothing more to it. Look at the Lakers last year with Frank Hamblen as the head coach as opposed to this year with Phil...Red was making those comments because he's jealous that people look at Phil as the greatest coach and not him...It's pretty much bullshit, if you take into account the fact that the teams he's lead to domination weren't exactly dominating before he took over... :-\
so youd give him the nod over a coach like say Larry Brown, because of the championships? Even tho Brown has takin over teams like the Clips and the Knicks now. Teams that would be lucky to win 30 games, but need help rebuilding. I think u could put a lot of coaches in Phils situations, and theyd have the same amount of championships. This isnt just some shot at Phil, it goes back to what i said before. Players win championships, not coaches. In the NBA especially. Coaches are HUGE in college, highschool, etc. When they are stll at the stage of "teaching".
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And Kobe who gets his fair share off ticky tack calls in his favor every game. he's had Fish who would flop and get a call if u breathed on him. Shit, he even had the Mailman, who flopped all game even when a 5'10", 175 pound point guard ran into him.
OMG. Man, are you fuckin' nuts? Kobe gets pounded almost every single time he takes it in...Only about 25% of those poundings actually get called. Why do you think Kobe has a league leading 11 techs? And you obviously don't know shit about basketball if you don't know what gaining position for the charge is. Derek Fisher was an expert at this, getting positioned does not equal a flop. Now Manu Ginobli, that's a whole different story...PeACe
LOL ive watched so many games with Kobe man, especially this year. The man gets a TON of garbage calls that go his way. Its not only him, its most superstars. But he's no exception. U know how many fouls ive seen get called on a Kobe jump shot, where the replay even shows him not getting touched? (the probably dont show that angle on Fox lol). Its ridiculous. As for Derek, cmon man. Dont buy into the comments from Stu and company. They act as if Fish was a superstar lol. But its well known how big of a flopper he is. What did they call it? The "Fisher Flop"? Im not arguin whether Manu does it or not, he does. But he is also a very awkward player sometimes. Not really his fault, just how he is.
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. like i said, if the Lakers win the championship this year. then i was wrong. if not, then im right.
:sign_banhim:
I wouldn't go as far as banning, but yes, that WAS an extremely dumb comment. LOL. So Phil has to win a championship with every team he coaches to prove he's great? That would prove he was God, not great...I don't see where your logic comes in. If Jackson leads this team to the playoffs, he's obviously excelled from what we had last year...PeACe
u dont get it man. its not me whos treatin this guy like he's God. obviously we all know he isnt winning one this year. My point was just that without all that talent of having the greatest player ever, with Pippen. And having Shaq AND Kobe together, he wont win either. 7th in the west isnt that amazing man. especially when there are teams that have yet to really start playing their game. Houston will still make a run i believe, theyve had injuries all year and havent got in sync. Denver still hasnt played to their potential. In the end, the Lakers will be as high as i thought possible for them. A low seed in the playoffs that gets bounced out in the first round. Not an outstanding coaching job really.
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Mavs >> Lakers
Phil: Got lucky with his teams.. barely makes the playoffs with a team that doesn't involve the best SG or the best C ever and a great sidekick each
How many rings did Jordan & Pippen have without Phil? How about Kobe & Shaq?
lol how many rings does Phil have without Jordan/Pippen? Kobe/Shaq?
What did Red Aurbach say about Phil? "He picks his spots"
Like Red Aurbach is one to talk, he had Russel & Havlichek. The Celtics won with Russel as a player/coach.
ok..so according to your quote. Phil was reason the Bulls and Lakers 3peated? Not Jordan, Pippen, Shaq, Kobe? lol Phil has always been overrated to me. He's a good coach and all, but not nearly as good as his win percentage says. This year he FINALLY has a team that isnt expected to at least compete for a title. It isnt like he's Larry Brown who has gone to numerous teams that were in terrible shape when he got there.
Phil Jackson is an excellent coach, one of the greatest if not the greatest...There's nothing more to it. Look at the Lakers last year with Frank Hamblen as the head coach as opposed to this year with Phil...Red was making those comments because he's jealous that people look at Phil as the greatest coach and not him...It's pretty much bullshit, if you take into account the fact that the teams he's lead to domination weren't exactly dominating before he took over... :-\
so youd give him the nod over a coach like say Larry Brown, because of the championships? Even tho Brown has takin over teams like the Clips and the Knicks now. Teams that would be lucky to win 30 games, but need help rebuilding. I think u could put a lot of coaches in Phils situations, and theyd have the same amount of championships. This isnt just some shot at Phil, it goes back to what i said before. Players win championships, not coaches. In the NBA especially. Coaches are HUGE in college, highschool, etc. When they are stll at the stage of "teaching".
But look what Brown is doing with the Knicks...NOTHING. Of course I'd take a coach like Phil Jackson over Larry Brown ANY day. And I disagree with the fact that there are many coaches who woulda won the same amount of rings if placed in Phil's shoes...I think a coach has a lot to do with a teams success, the way the offense is ran, the way the players play defense, who takes who, who does what... the coaches dictate all that. You tend to make illogical statements regarding basketball...Coaches teach, true, but that's not even in their job description, some coaches just do that as a bonus. Coaches mean more than you think...PeACe
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And Kobe who gets his fair share off ticky tack calls in his favor every game. he's had Fish who would flop and get a call if u breathed on him. Shit, he even had the Mailman, who flopped all game even when a 5'10", 175 pound point guard ran into him.
OMG. Man, are you fuckin' nuts? Kobe gets pounded almost every single time he takes it in...Only about 25% of those poundings actually get called. Why do you think Kobe has a league leading 11 techs? And you obviously don't know shit about basketball if you don't know what gaining position for the charge is. Derek Fisher was an expert at this, getting positioned does not equal a flop. Now Manu Ginobli, that's a whole different story...PeACe
LOL ive watched so many games with Kobe man, especially this year. The man gets a TON of garbage calls that go his way. Its not only him, its most superstars. But he's no exception. U know how many fouls ive seen get called on a Kobe jump shot, where the replay even shows him not getting touched? (the probably dont show that angle on Fox lol). Its ridiculous. As for Derek, cmon man. Dont buy into the comments from Stu and company. They act as if Fish was a superstar lol. But its well known how big of a flopper he is. What did they call it? The "Fisher Flop"? Im not arguin whether Manu does it or not, he does. But he is also a very awkward player sometimes. Not really his fault, just how he is.
EVERY superstar gets garbage calls, but along with that, Kobe blatantly gets hated on by the refs. You mean to tell me that you haven't seen Kobe get pounded in the lane by 4 guys jumping into him with no call? Kobe is probably one of the worst officiated superstars ever...As for Fisher, once again, it's called getting in position. Fisher used to take some beatings to get those calls, he'd get ran over by big ass guys, it's a fundamental thing as well as a sacrafice. Cook is also a good example of a player who knows who to gain positioning...
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. like i said, if the Lakers win the championship this year. then i was wrong. if not, then im right.
:sign_banhim:
I wouldn't go as far as banning, but yes, that WAS an extremely dumb comment. LOL. So Phil has to win a championship with every team he coaches to prove he's great? That would prove he was God, not great...I don't see where your logic comes in. If Jackson leads this team to the playoffs, he's obviously excelled from what we had last year...PeACe
u dont get it man. its not me whos treatin this guy like he's God. obviously we all know he isnt winning one this year. My point was just that without all that talent of having the greatest player ever, with Pippen. And having Shaq AND Kobe together, he wont win either. 7th in the west isnt that amazing man. especially when there are teams that have yet to really start playing their game. Houston will still make a run i believe, theyve had injuries all year and havent got in sync. Denver still hasnt played to their potential. In the end, the Lakers will be as high as i thought possible for them. A low seed in the playoffs that gets bounced out in the first round. Not an outstanding coaching job really.
We will see...As for now, it's all stipulation.
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Fuckin old geezers OD'ed on the geritol.
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And Kobe who gets his fair share off ticky tack calls in his favor every game. he's had Fish who would flop and get a call if u breathed on him. Shit, he even had the Mailman, who flopped all game even when a 5'10", 175 pound point guard ran into him.
OMG. Man, are you fuckin' nuts? Kobe gets pounded almost every single time he takes it in...Only about 25% of those poundings actually get called. Why do you think Kobe has a league leading 11 techs? And you obviously don't know shit about basketball if you don't know what gaining position for the charge is. Derek Fisher was an expert at this, getting positioned does not equal a flop. Now Manu Ginobli, that's a whole different story...PeACe
LOL ive watched so many games with Kobe man, especially this year. The man gets a TON of garbage calls that go his way. Its not only him, its most superstars. But he's no exception. U know how many fouls ive seen get called on a Kobe jump shot, where the replay even shows him not getting touched? (the probably dont show that angle on Fox lol). Its ridiculous. As for Derek, cmon man. Dont buy into the comments from Stu and company. They act as if Fish was a superstar lol. But its well known how big of a flopper he is. What did they call it? The "Fisher Flop"? Im not arguin whether Manu does it or not, he does. But he is also a very awkward player sometimes. Not really his fault, just how he is.
EVERY superstar gets garbage calls, but along with that, Kobe blatantly gets hated on by the refs. You mean to tell me that you haven't seen Kobe get pounded in the lane by 4 guys jumping into him with no call? Kobe is probably one of the worst officiated superstars ever...As for Fisher, once again, it's called getting in position. Fisher used to take some beatings to get those calls, he'd get ran over by big ass guys, it's a fundamental thing as well as a sacrafice. Cook is also a good example of a player who knows who to gain positioning...
lol u mean to tell me u havent seen kobe shoot a fadeaway three with no contact at all, only to fling his arms in the air and get a bogus call? Seen it a million times. He isnt hated on by the refs lol Thats fuckin retarded man. he gets as many bullshit calls as anyone ive seen in the league right now, easy. U just see Kobe bitch alot to the refs, and of course...u being u...believe Kobe till the end. Kobe just thinks he should get a call anytime he misses a shot. Youre killin me with this fisher thing man lol u act like he's WAY better then he is. He was a flopper...plain and simple.
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Mavs >> Lakers
Phil: Got lucky with his teams.. barely makes the playoffs with a team that doesn't involve the best SG or the best C ever and a great sidekick each
How many rings did Jordan & Pippen have without Phil? How about Kobe & Shaq?
lol how many rings does Phil have without Jordan/Pippen? Kobe/Shaq?
What did Red Aurbach say about Phil? "He picks his spots"
Like Red Aurbach is one to talk, he had Russel & Havlichek. The Celtics won with Russel as a player/coach.
ok..so according to your quote. Phil was reason the Bulls and Lakers 3peated? Not Jordan, Pippen, Shaq, Kobe? lol Phil has always been overrated to me. He's a good coach and all, but not nearly as good as his win percentage says. This year he FINALLY has a team that isnt expected to at least compete for a title. It isnt like he's Larry Brown who has gone to numerous teams that were in terrible shape when he got there.
Phil Jackson is an excellent coach, one of the greatest if not the greatest...There's nothing more to it. Look at the Lakers last year with Frank Hamblen as the head coach as opposed to this year with Phil...Red was making those comments because he's jealous that people look at Phil as the greatest coach and not him...It's pretty much bullshit, if you take into account the fact that the teams he's lead to domination weren't exactly dominating before he took over... :-\
so youd give him the nod over a coach like say Larry Brown, because of the championships? Even tho Brown has takin over teams like the Clips and the Knicks now. Teams that would be lucky to win 30 games, but need help rebuilding. I think u could put a lot of coaches in Phils situations, and theyd have the same amount of championships. This isnt just some shot at Phil, it goes back to what i said before. Players win championships, not coaches. In the NBA especially. Coaches are HUGE in college, highschool, etc. When they are stll at the stage of "teaching".
But look what Brown is doing with the Knicks...NOTHING. Of course I'd take a coach like Phil Jackson over Larry Brown ANY day. And I disagree with the fact that there are many coaches who woulda won the same amount of rings if placed in Phil's shoes...I think a coach has a lot to do with a teams success, the way the offense is ran, the way the players play defense, who takes who, who does what... the coaches dictate all that. You tend to make illogical statements regarding basketball...Coaches teach, true, but that's not even in their job description, some coaches just do that as a bonus. Coaches mean more than you think...PeACe
Yeah, Brown took over a terrible team. Worse then the Laker team Phil took over. That was my point tho. Brown doesnt have the win percentage of a Phil Jackson because he's taken over struggling franchises time and time again. If Brown (or a lot of other coaches) simply went to organizations with a great chance for success....theyd have some unbelievable win percentage. U honestly think if Larry Brown coaches the Bulls of the 90's with Jordan, they wouldnt have won as many rings? LOL yeah right. I can promise u, if Phil was never a Laker head coach...u guys would all be sayin the same thing about him that im saying. BUT, he coaches the Lakers, and was there when Shaq and Kobe were winning championships...so u guys adore him. If the Lakers make the playoffs this year...who gets the credit? Kobe...or Phil? Nobody out there is saying that Phil is doing some amazing job with the Lakers. Cept u guys of course
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The Lakers, in need of good news, got a small dose Friday. They learned a technical foul called against Devean George in the Lakers' 102-87 loss at Dallas on Tuesday night was rescinded by the NBA.
"It didn't give me great joy, but it's nice to know there was some justice paid out there," Coach Phil Jackson said at Laker practice. "The league reviewed it and made the correct call."
Besides the technical on George, Kwame Brown and Andrew Bynum were called for flagrant fouls and Kobe Bryant and Lamar Odom were also called for technicals in the Dallas game.
Afterward, Jackson called it "a really poorly refereed game."
He also said that, because Maverick owner Mark Cuban puts added pressure on the referees, "these guys are nervous Nellies."
Phil won. The NBA indirectly admitted it.
TeeRaySix9Teen & Mark Cuban = blablablabla
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The Lakers, in need of good news, got a small dose Friday. They learned a technical foul called against Devean George in the Lakers' 102-87 loss at Dallas on Tuesday night was rescinded by the NBA.
"It didn't give me great joy, but it's nice to know there was some justice paid out there," Coach Phil Jackson said at Laker practice. "The league reviewed it and made the correct call."
Besides the technical on George, Kwame Brown and Andrew Bynum were called for flagrant fouls and Kobe Bryant and Lamar Odom were also called for technicals in the Dallas game.
Afterward, Jackson called it "a really poorly refereed game."
He also said that, because Maverick owner Mark Cuban puts added pressure on the referees, "these guys are nervous Nellies."
Phil won. The NBA indirectly admitted it.
TeeRaySix9Teen & Mark Cuban = blablablabla
wow, Phils bitching worked. More coaches should complain to the media about bad technicals. Like i said man, im not some Cuban supporter. The guy is kind of annoying to me, but i dont hate him either. Phil just acts like a baby sometimes because he's so used to getting the benefit when it comes to the officiating. God forbid HE should be on the short side of the stick sometimes too. By the way...are u still cheering for the Lakers? Just wondering, they havent been playin well lately. Thought maybe u jumped the bandwagon or somethin. Just curious.
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Like i said i won't waste my time arguing with you no more, fool.
You had a chance but you wasted it by acting immature.
I just wanted to close this topic with the final word, the one of the NBA.
Don't bitch.
Byeeeeeeeeee.
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Like i said i won't waste my time arguing with you no more, fool.
You had a chance but you wasted it by acting immature.
I just wanted to close this topic with the final word, the one of the NBA.
Don't bitch.
Byeeeeeeeeee.
lol@acting immature. "i just wanted to close this topic with the final word". Wow.
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Complete the sentence, moron. It wasn't my word, but the NBA one. The only one that counts something. Now stop bitching kid, you ain't even on my level so shut up.
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And Kobe who gets his fair share off ticky tack calls in his favor every game. he's had Fish who would flop and get a call if u breathed on him. Shit, he even had the Mailman, who flopped all game even when a 5'10", 175 pound point guard ran into him.
OMG. Man, are you fuckin' nuts? Kobe gets pounded almost every single time he takes it in...Only about 25% of those poundings actually get called. Why do you think Kobe has a league leading 11 techs? And you obviously don't know shit about basketball if you don't know what gaining position for the charge is. Derek Fisher was an expert at this, getting positioned does not equal a flop. Now Manu Ginobli, that's a whole different story...PeACe
LOL ive watched so many games with Kobe man, especially this year. The man gets a TON of garbage calls that go his way. Its not only him, its most superstars. But he's no exception. U know how many fouls ive seen get called on a Kobe jump shot, where the replay even shows him not getting touched? (the probably dont show that angle on Fox lol). Its ridiculous. As for Derek, cmon man. Dont buy into the comments from Stu and company. They act as if Fish was a superstar lol. But its well known how big of a flopper he is. What did they call it? The "Fisher Flop"? Im not arguin whether Manu does it or not, he does. But he is also a very awkward player sometimes. Not really his fault, just how he is.
EVERY superstar gets garbage calls, but along with that, Kobe blatantly gets hated on by the refs. You mean to tell me that you haven't seen Kobe get pounded in the lane by 4 guys jumping into him with no call? Kobe is probably one of the worst officiated superstars ever...As for Fisher, once again, it's called getting in position. Fisher used to take some beatings to get those calls, he'd get ran over by big ass guys, it's a fundamental thing as well as a sacrafice. Cook is also a good example of a player who knows who to gain positioning...
lol u mean to tell me u havent seen kobe shoot a fadeaway three with no contact at all, only to fling his arms in the air and get a bogus call? Seen it a million times. He isnt hated on by the refs lol Thats fuckin retarded man. he gets as many bullshit calls as anyone ive seen in the league right now, easy. U just see Kobe bitch alot to the refs, and of course...u being u...believe Kobe till the end. Kobe just thinks he should get a call anytime he misses a shot. Youre killin me with this fisher thing man lol u act like he's WAY better then he is. He was a flopper...plain and simple.
With no contact at all? No. LOL. MAYBE like once or twice in his career. There's almost always contact when Kobe shoots, sometimes the reply just shows Kobe initiating the contact. You're acting as if the refs don't fuck up with EVERYBODY. The fact is, that Kobe gets pounded, ALWAYS. You mean to tell me you haven't seen Kobe drive into the lane, go for a lay-up, only to get slammed by 3 bodies in mid-air with NO call. Then what happens after? Kobe turns around and gives the refs these "WHAT THE FUCK?!" gestures. He then picks up a tech...The refs straight hate him, man, I can't believe you don't see what I'm saying? Kobe's reputation draws 2 defenders alone, and they NEVER go easy on Kobe. They pound him the whole game, so only when they REALLY pound him does he get the call...Don't deny this, man. The refs fuck up all the time, and sure they've fucked up in Kobe's favor a few times, but not nearly as much as they've fucked up in his opponents favor. How can you even say Kobe isn't hated on by the refs when he has a league leading 11 techs? And that's WITHOUT a reputation like Rasheed Wallace or Ron Artest. That goes to show how frustrated the officiating on Kobe makes him...And about Fisher, he's not a great player. He's an excellent role player, and I love his defense for a point guard. I simply haven't heard anyone call him a flopper other than people who have no clue what they're talking about. Mostly casual basketball fans. Never heard it from an analyst, announcer, broadcaster, sportswriter, ANYTHING. There's a difference. Ginobli flops, Fisher precisions his positioning. Learn that difference...PeACe
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Mavs >> Lakers
Phil: Got lucky with his teams.. barely makes the playoffs with a team that doesn't involve the best SG or the best C ever and a great sidekick each
How many rings did Jordan & Pippen have without Phil? How about Kobe & Shaq?
lol how many rings does Phil have without Jordan/Pippen? Kobe/Shaq?
What did Red Aurbach say about Phil? "He picks his spots"
Like Red Aurbach is one to talk, he had Russel & Havlichek. The Celtics won with Russel as a player/coach.
ok..so according to your quote. Phil was reason the Bulls and Lakers 3peated? Not Jordan, Pippen, Shaq, Kobe? lol Phil has always been overrated to me. He's a good coach and all, but not nearly as good as his win percentage says. This year he FINALLY has a team that isnt expected to at least compete for a title. It isnt like he's Larry Brown who has gone to numerous teams that were in terrible shape when he got there.
Phil Jackson is an excellent coach, one of the greatest if not the greatest...There's nothing more to it. Look at the Lakers last year with Frank Hamblen as the head coach as opposed to this year with Phil...Red was making those comments because he's jealous that people look at Phil as the greatest coach and not him...It's pretty much bullshit, if you take into account the fact that the teams he's lead to domination weren't exactly dominating before he took over... :-\
so youd give him the nod over a coach like say Larry Brown, because of the championships? Even tho Brown has takin over teams like the Clips and the Knicks now. Teams that would be lucky to win 30 games, but need help rebuilding. I think u could put a lot of coaches in Phils situations, and theyd have the same amount of championships. This isnt just some shot at Phil, it goes back to what i said before. Players win championships, not coaches. In the NBA especially. Coaches are HUGE in college, highschool, etc. When they are stll at the stage of "teaching".
But look what Brown is doing with the Knicks...NOTHING. Of course I'd take a coach like Phil Jackson over Larry Brown ANY day. And I disagree with the fact that there are many coaches who woulda won the same amount of rings if placed in Phil's shoes...I think a coach has a lot to do with a teams success, the way the offense is ran, the way the players play defense, who takes who, who does what... the coaches dictate all that. You tend to make illogical statements regarding basketball...Coaches teach, true, but that's not even in their job description, some coaches just do that as a bonus. Coaches mean more than you think...PeACe
Yeah, Brown took over a terrible team. Worse then the Laker team Phil took over. That was my point tho. Brown doesnt have the win percentage of a Phil Jackson because he's taken over struggling franchises time and time again. If Brown (or a lot of other coaches) simply went to organizations with a great chance for success....theyd have some unbelievable win percentage. U honestly think if Larry Brown coaches the Bulls of the 90's with Jordan, they wouldnt have won as many rings? LOL yeah right. I can promise u, if Phil was never a Laker head coach...u guys would all be sayin the same thing about him that im saying. BUT, he coaches the Lakers, and was there when Shaq and Kobe were winning championships...so u guys adore him. If the Lakers make the playoffs this year...who gets the credit? Kobe...or Phil? Nobody out there is saying that Phil is doing some amazing job with the Lakers. Cept u guys of course
WTF are you talking about...LOLLL. Knicks were a better team than the Lakers last year, IN THE EAST. On top of that, they've improved their talent in the off-season way more than the Lakers (Curry, James, Q, Frye, Lee, Woods, Robinson, Jalen, etc.). Honestly, I thought the Knicks would easily be a playoff team this year...I bet you anything Phil Jackson coulda' easily gotten them there. I honestly don't think Brown woulda' had the longetivity to get the Bulls 6 championships, or the Lakers 3...See how quickly he failed the Pistons? A coach like Phil woulda led that roster to AT LEAST a 3peat...PeACe
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The Lakers, in need of good news, got a small dose Friday. They learned a technical foul called against Devean George in the Lakers' 102-87 loss at Dallas on Tuesday night was rescinded by the NBA.
"It didn't give me great joy, but it's nice to know there was some justice paid out there," Coach Phil Jackson said at Laker practice. "The league reviewed it and made the correct call."
Besides the technical on George, Kwame Brown and Andrew Bynum were called for flagrant fouls and Kobe Bryant and Lamar Odom were also called for technicals in the Dallas game.
Afterward, Jackson called it "a really poorly refereed game."
He also said that, because Maverick owner Mark Cuban puts added pressure on the referees, "these guys are nervous Nellies."
Phil won. The NBA indirectly admitted it.
TeeRaySix9Teen & Mark Cuban = blablablabla
LOL. There were WAY worse calls than that technical on George in that game...Jackson was obviously right, the NBA even went as far as doing something about it...Hopefully, the 3 refs who reffed that game wont be re-hired by Mr. Stern again for next season. That'll teach their ass a lesson...
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And Kobe who gets his fair share off ticky tack calls in his favor every game. he's had Fish who would flop and get a call if u breathed on him. Shit, he even had the Mailman, who flopped all game even when a 5'10", 175 pound point guard ran into him.
OMG. Man, are you fuckin' nuts? Kobe gets pounded almost every single time he takes it in...Only about 25% of those poundings actually get called. Why do you think Kobe has a league leading 11 techs? And you obviously don't know shit about basketball if you don't know what gaining position for the charge is. Derek Fisher was an expert at this, getting positioned does not equal a flop. Now Manu Ginobli, that's a whole different story...PeACe
LOL ive watched so many games with Kobe man, especially this year. The man gets a TON of garbage calls that go his way. Its not only him, its most superstars. But he's no exception. U know how many fouls ive seen get called on a Kobe jump shot, where the replay even shows him not getting touched? (the probably dont show that angle on Fox lol). Its ridiculous. As for Derek, cmon man. Dont buy into the comments from Stu and company. They act as if Fish was a superstar lol. But its well known how big of a flopper he is. What did they call it? The "Fisher Flop"? Im not arguin whether Manu does it or not, he does. But he is also a very awkward player sometimes. Not really his fault, just how he is.
EVERY superstar gets garbage calls, but along with that, Kobe blatantly gets hated on by the refs. You mean to tell me that you haven't seen Kobe get pounded in the lane by 4 guys jumping into him with no call? Kobe is probably one of the worst officiated superstars ever...As for Fisher, once again, it's called getting in position. Fisher used to take some beatings to get those calls, he'd get ran over by big ass guys, it's a fundamental thing as well as a sacrafice. Cook is also a good example of a player who knows who to gain positioning...
lol u mean to tell me u havent seen kobe shoot a fadeaway three with no contact at all, only to fling his arms in the air and get a bogus call? Seen it a million times. He isnt hated on by the refs lol Thats fuckin retarded man. he gets as many bullshit calls as anyone ive seen in the league right now, easy. U just see Kobe bitch alot to the refs, and of course...u being u...believe Kobe till the end. Kobe just thinks he should get a call anytime he misses a shot. Youre killin me with this fisher thing man lol u act like he's WAY better then he is. He was a flopper...plain and simple.
With no contact at all? No. LOL. MAYBE like once or twice in his career. There's almost always contact when Kobe shoots, sometimes the reply just shows Kobe initiating the contact. You're acting as if the refs don't fuck up with EVERYBODY. The fact is, that Kobe gets pounded, ALWAYS. You mean to tell me you haven't seen Kobe drive into the lane, go for a lay-up, only to get slammed by 3 bodies in mid-air with NO call. Then what happens after? Kobe turns around and gives the refs these "WHAT THE FUCK?!" gestures. He then picks up a tech...The refs straight hate him, man, I can't believe you don't see what I'm saying? Kobe's reputation draws 2 defenders alone, and they NEVER go easy on Kobe. They pound him the whole game, so only when they REALLY pound him does he get the call...Don't deny this, man. The refs fuck up all the time, and sure they've fucked up in Kobe's favor a few times, but not nearly as much as they've fucked up in his opponents favor. How can you even say Kobe isn't hated on by the refs when he has a league leading 11 techs? And that's WITHOUT a reputation like Rasheed Wallace or Ron Artest. That goes to show how frustrated the officiating on Kobe makes him...And about Fisher, he's not a great player. He's an excellent role player, and I love his defense for a point guard. I simply haven't heard anyone call him a flopper other than people who have no clue what they're talking about. Mostly casual basketball fans. Never heard it from an analyst, announcer, broadcaster, sportswriter, ANYTHING. There's a difference. Ginobli flops, Fisher precisions his positioning. Learn that difference...PeACe
once or twice in his career? LOL!!!!! wtf! Now i know youre talkin as a fan man. u say u watch more Laker ball then me, and ive seen that like 5 times this year. Where he shoots a jumper and just flings his arms in the air to make it look like he got hit. Where even the announcers commented on it. Kobe being hated on by the refs is seriously one of the most ridiculous things ive ever heard. to anyone outside the "Laker fans", we see Kobe gettin bullshit calls left and right. He just complains alot about calls, and u guys will always take his side. So when he complains, u HAVE TO believe he's right. He's Kobe. Kobe wouldnt complain if it werent true. LOL. Or....maybe he's a whiner. OR, maybe he knows that when u complain to the refs enough...eventually they give u what u want (learnin from Phil).
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Complete the sentence, moron. It wasn't my word, but the NBA one. The only one that counts something. Now stop bitching kid, you ain't even on my level so shut up.
look bandwagon. the NBA retracting one of the technicals doesnt prove Jacksons point. The NBA didnt say "the refs made bogus calls because theyre scared of Cuban". THAT was Phils point. Did the league say that? No. Therefor, they didnt confirm his point. See?
Btw, Lakers lost to Memphis tonight. Shit! Now u gotta wait another day or two to become a Laker fan again (if they win the next game). :oi: Shame on fake fans...
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And Kobe who gets his fair share off ticky tack calls in his favor every game. he's had Fish who would flop and get a call if u breathed on him. Shit, he even had the Mailman, who flopped all game even when a 5'10", 175 pound point guard ran into him.
OMG. Man, are you fuckin' nuts? Kobe gets pounded almost every single time he takes it in...Only about 25% of those poundings actually get called. Why do you think Kobe has a league leading 11 techs? And you obviously don't know shit about basketball if you don't know what gaining position for the charge is. Derek Fisher was an expert at this, getting positioned does not equal a flop. Now Manu Ginobli, that's a whole different story...PeACe
LOL ive watched so many games with Kobe man, especially this year. The man gets a TON of garbage calls that go his way. Its not only him, its most superstars. But he's no exception. U know how many fouls ive seen get called on a Kobe jump shot, where the replay even shows him not getting touched? (the probably dont show that angle on Fox lol). Its ridiculous. As for Derek, cmon man. Dont buy into the comments from Stu and company. They act as if Fish was a superstar lol. But its well known how big of a flopper he is. What did they call it? The "Fisher Flop"? Im not arguin whether Manu does it or not, he does. But he is also a very awkward player sometimes. Not really his fault, just how he is.
EVERY superstar gets garbage calls, but along with that, Kobe blatantly gets hated on by the refs. You mean to tell me that you haven't seen Kobe get pounded in the lane by 4 guys jumping into him with no call? Kobe is probably one of the worst officiated superstars ever...As for Fisher, once again, it's called getting in position. Fisher used to take some beatings to get those calls, he'd get ran over by big ass guys, it's a fundamental thing as well as a sacrafice. Cook is also a good example of a player who knows who to gain positioning...
lol u mean to tell me u havent seen kobe shoot a fadeaway three with no contact at all, only to fling his arms in the air and get a bogus call? Seen it a million times. He isnt hated on by the refs lol Thats fuckin retarded man. he gets as many bullshit calls as anyone ive seen in the league right now, easy. U just see Kobe bitch alot to the refs, and of course...u being u...believe Kobe till the end. Kobe just thinks he should get a call anytime he misses a shot. Youre killin me with this fisher thing man lol u act like he's WAY better then he is. He was a flopper...plain and simple.
With no contact at all? No. LOL. MAYBE like once or twice in his career. There's almost always contact when Kobe shoots, sometimes the reply just shows Kobe initiating the contact. You're acting as if the refs don't fuck up with EVERYBODY. The fact is, that Kobe gets pounded, ALWAYS. You mean to tell me you haven't seen Kobe drive into the lane, go for a lay-up, only to get slammed by 3 bodies in mid-air with NO call. Then what happens after? Kobe turns around and gives the refs these "WHAT THE FUCK?!" gestures. He then picks up a tech...The refs straight hate him, man, I can't believe you don't see what I'm saying? Kobe's reputation draws 2 defenders alone, and they NEVER go easy on Kobe. They pound him the whole game, so only when they REALLY pound him does he get the call...Don't deny this, man. The refs fuck up all the time, and sure they've fucked up in Kobe's favor a few times, but not nearly as much as they've fucked up in his opponents favor. How can you even say Kobe isn't hated on by the refs when he has a league leading 11 techs? And that's WITHOUT a reputation like Rasheed Wallace or Ron Artest. That goes to show how frustrated the officiating on Kobe makes him...And about Fisher, he's not a great player. He's an excellent role player, and I love his defense for a point guard. I simply haven't heard anyone call him a flopper other than people who have no clue what they're talking about. Mostly casual basketball fans. Never heard it from an analyst, announcer, broadcaster, sportswriter, ANYTHING. There's a difference. Ginobli flops, Fisher precisions his positioning. Learn that difference...PeACe
once or twice in his career? LOL!!!!! wtf! Now i know youre talkin as a fan man. u say u watch more Laker ball then me, and ive seen that like 5 times this year. Where he shoots a jumper and just flings his arms in the air to make it look like he got hit. Where even the announcers commented on it. Kobe being hated on by the refs is seriously one of the most ridiculous things ive ever heard. to anyone outside the "Laker fans", we see Kobe gettin bullshit calls left and right. He just complains alot about calls, and u guys will always take his side. So when he complains, u HAVE TO believe he's right. He's Kobe. Kobe wouldnt complain if it werent true. LOL. Or....maybe he's a whiner. OR, maybe he knows that when u complain to the refs enough...eventually they give u what u want (learnin from Phil).
Or maybe there's a thing called replay. Man, they show a replay of Kobe undeniably getting pounded with no call whatsoever EVERY GAME. It even happened in last nights game, it was fuckin' ridiculous...You said Kobe drawing a foul with NO contact whatsoever. That's RARELY happened...Kobe has flung his arms into the opponents hand and made it look like a foul, but that's also a rarity. And the refs fuck up like that with everyone...I don't know how you don't see this? You don't see what I'm saying about Kobe getting pounded with no whistles? I know for a fact that if you watch as much Lakers as you claim you do, then you know exactly what I'm saying...PeAcE
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Complete the sentence, moron. It wasn't my word, but the NBA one. The only one that counts something. Now stop bitching kid, you ain't even on my level so shut up.
look bandwagon. the NBA retracting one of the technicals doesnt prove Jacksons point. The NBA didnt say "the refs made bogus calls because theyre scared of Cuban". THAT was Phils point. Did the league say that? No. Therefor, they didnt confirm his point. See?
Obviously, the NBA went back and reviewed the tapes...They wouldn't have done that if they felt like Phil's comments were completely invalid and incorrect. Is that not true?
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And Kobe who gets his fair share off ticky tack calls in his favor every game. he's had Fish who would flop and get a call if u breathed on him. Shit, he even had the Mailman, who flopped all game even when a 5'10", 175 pound point guard ran into him.
OMG. Man, are you fuckin' nuts? Kobe gets pounded almost every single time he takes it in...Only about 25% of those poundings actually get called. Why do you think Kobe has a league leading 11 techs? And you obviously don't know shit about basketball if you don't know what gaining position for the charge is. Derek Fisher was an expert at this, getting positioned does not equal a flop. Now Manu Ginobli, that's a whole different story...PeACe
LOL ive watched so many games with Kobe man, especially this year. The man gets a TON of garbage calls that go his way. Its not only him, its most superstars. But he's no exception. U know how many fouls ive seen get called on a Kobe jump shot, where the replay even shows him not getting touched? (the probably dont show that angle on Fox lol). Its ridiculous. As for Derek, cmon man. Dont buy into the comments from Stu and company. They act as if Fish was a superstar lol. But its well known how big of a flopper he is. What did they call it? The "Fisher Flop"? Im not arguin whether Manu does it or not, he does. But he is also a very awkward player sometimes. Not really his fault, just how he is.
EVERY superstar gets garbage calls, but along with that, Kobe blatantly gets hated on by the refs. You mean to tell me that you haven't seen Kobe get pounded in the lane by 4 guys jumping into him with no call? Kobe is probably one of the worst officiated superstars ever...As for Fisher, once again, it's called getting in position. Fisher used to take some beatings to get those calls, he'd get ran over by big ass guys, it's a fundamental thing as well as a sacrafice. Cook is also a good example of a player who knows who to gain positioning...
lol u mean to tell me u havent seen kobe shoot a fadeaway three with no contact at all, only to fling his arms in the air and get a bogus call? Seen it a million times. He isnt hated on by the refs lol Thats fuckin retarded man. he gets as many bullshit calls as anyone ive seen in the league right now, easy. U just see Kobe bitch alot to the refs, and of course...u being u...believe Kobe till the end. Kobe just thinks he should get a call anytime he misses a shot. Youre killin me with this fisher thing man lol u act like he's WAY better then he is. He was a flopper...plain and simple.
With no contact at all? No. LOL. MAYBE like once or twice in his career. There's almost always contact when Kobe shoots, sometimes the reply just shows Kobe initiating the contact. You're acting as if the refs don't fuck up with EVERYBODY. The fact is, that Kobe gets pounded, ALWAYS. You mean to tell me you haven't seen Kobe drive into the lane, go for a lay-up, only to get slammed by 3 bodies in mid-air with NO call. Then what happens after? Kobe turns around and gives the refs these "WHAT THE FUCK?!" gestures. He then picks up a tech...The refs straight hate him, man, I can't believe you don't see what I'm saying? Kobe's reputation draws 2 defenders alone, and they NEVER go easy on Kobe. They pound him the whole game, so only when they REALLY pound him does he get the call...Don't deny this, man. The refs fuck up all the time, and sure they've fucked up in Kobe's favor a few times, but not nearly as much as they've fucked up in his opponents favor. How can you even say Kobe isn't hated on by the refs when he has a league leading 11 techs? And that's WITHOUT a reputation like Rasheed Wallace or Ron Artest. That goes to show how frustrated the officiating on Kobe makes him...And about Fisher, he's not a great player. He's an excellent role player, and I love his defense for a point guard. I simply haven't heard anyone call him a flopper other than people who have no clue what they're talking about. Mostly casual basketball fans. Never heard it from an analyst, announcer, broadcaster, sportswriter, ANYTHING. There's a difference. Ginobli flops, Fisher precisions his positioning. Learn that difference...PeACe
once or twice in his career? LOL!!!!! wtf! Now i know youre talkin as a fan man. u say u watch more Laker ball then me, and ive seen that like 5 times this year. Where he shoots a jumper and just flings his arms in the air to make it look like he got hit. Where even the announcers commented on it. Kobe being hated on by the refs is seriously one of the most ridiculous things ive ever heard. to anyone outside the "Laker fans", we see Kobe gettin bullshit calls left and right. He just complains alot about calls, and u guys will always take his side. So when he complains, u HAVE TO believe he's right. He's Kobe. Kobe wouldnt complain if it werent true. LOL. Or....maybe he's a whiner. OR, maybe he knows that when u complain to the refs enough...eventually they give u what u want (learnin from Phil).
Or maybe there's a thing called replay. Man, they show a replay of Kobe undeniably getting pounded with no call whatsoever EVERY GAME. It even happened in last nights game, it was fuckin' ridiculous...You said Kobe drawing a foul with NO contact whatsoever. That's RARELY happened...Kobe has flung his arms into the opponents hand and made it look like a foul, but that's also a rarity. And the refs fuck up like that with everyone...I don't know how you don't see this? You don't see what I'm saying about Kobe getting pounded with no whistles? I know for a fact that if you watch as much Lakers as you claim you do, then you know exactly what I'm saying...PeAcE
and at the same time, the refs miss calls every night on every player. The bigs get it way worse then Kobe would ever get it. They get hammered all game with no call. Younger players with no reps, get screwed all game. Especially when playing against a player as big as Kobe, or any star. Players with a bad rep in the league like Rasheed get screwed left and right. Kobe is none of those. He doesnt get it any worse then anyone. Im not saying he's the only player to fake like he's fouled. Shit, Reggie Miller was the king of that shit. But dont deny that Kobe does it too. "I dont know how u dont see this"?"
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Complete the sentence, moron. It wasn't my word, but the NBA one. The only one that counts something. Now stop bitching kid, you ain't even on my level so shut up.
look bandwagon. the NBA retracting one of the technicals doesnt prove Jacksons point. The NBA didnt say "the refs made bogus calls because theyre scared of Cuban". THAT was Phils point. Did the league say that? No. Therefor, they didnt confirm his point. See?
Obviously, the NBA went back and reviewed the tapes...They wouldn't have done that if they felt like Phil's comments were completely invalid and incorrect. Is that not true?
i believe that when a coach publicly criticizes the refereeing in a game....the league will review it. Also, i guarentee u the league doesnt care for Cuban.
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And Kobe who gets his fair share off ticky tack calls in his favor every game. he's had Fish who would flop and get a call if u breathed on him. Shit, he even had the Mailman, who flopped all game even when a 5'10", 175 pound point guard ran into him.
OMG. Man, are you fuckin' nuts? Kobe gets pounded almost every single time he takes it in...Only about 25% of those poundings actually get called. Why do you think Kobe has a league leading 11 techs? And you obviously don't know shit about basketball if you don't know what gaining position for the charge is. Derek Fisher was an expert at this, getting positioned does not equal a flop. Now Manu Ginobli, that's a whole different story...PeACe
LOL ive watched so many games with Kobe man, especially this year. The man gets a TON of garbage calls that go his way. Its not only him, its most superstars. But he's no exception. U know how many fouls ive seen get called on a Kobe jump shot, where the replay even shows him not getting touched? (the probably dont show that angle on Fox lol). Its ridiculous. As for Derek, cmon man. Dont buy into the comments from Stu and company. They act as if Fish was a superstar lol. But its well known how big of a flopper he is. What did they call it? The "Fisher Flop"? Im not arguin whether Manu does it or not, he does. But he is also a very awkward player sometimes. Not really his fault, just how he is.
EVERY superstar gets garbage calls, but along with that, Kobe blatantly gets hated on by the refs. You mean to tell me that you haven't seen Kobe get pounded in the lane by 4 guys jumping into him with no call? Kobe is probably one of the worst officiated superstars ever...As for Fisher, once again, it's called getting in position. Fisher used to take some beatings to get those calls, he'd get ran over by big ass guys, it's a fundamental thing as well as a sacrafice. Cook is also a good example of a player who knows who to gain positioning...
lol u mean to tell me u havent seen kobe shoot a fadeaway three with no contact at all, only to fling his arms in the air and get a bogus call? Seen it a million times. He isnt hated on by the refs lol Thats fuckin retarded man. he gets as many bullshit calls as anyone ive seen in the league right now, easy. U just see Kobe bitch alot to the refs, and of course...u being u...believe Kobe till the end. Kobe just thinks he should get a call anytime he misses a shot. Youre killin me with this fisher thing man lol u act like he's WAY better then he is. He was a flopper...plain and simple.
With no contact at all? No. LOL. MAYBE like once or twice in his career. There's almost always contact when Kobe shoots, sometimes the reply just shows Kobe initiating the contact. You're acting as if the refs don't fuck up with EVERYBODY. The fact is, that Kobe gets pounded, ALWAYS. You mean to tell me you haven't seen Kobe drive into the lane, go for a lay-up, only to get slammed by 3 bodies in mid-air with NO call. Then what happens after? Kobe turns around and gives the refs these "WHAT THE FUCK?!" gestures. He then picks up a tech...The refs straight hate him, man, I can't believe you don't see what I'm saying? Kobe's reputation draws 2 defenders alone, and they NEVER go easy on Kobe. They pound him the whole game, so only when they REALLY pound him does he get the call...Don't deny this, man. The refs fuck up all the time, and sure they've fucked up in Kobe's favor a few times, but not nearly as much as they've fucked up in his opponents favor. How can you even say Kobe isn't hated on by the refs when he has a league leading 11 techs? And that's WITHOUT a reputation like Rasheed Wallace or Ron Artest. That goes to show how frustrated the officiating on Kobe makes him...And about Fisher, he's not a great player. He's an excellent role player, and I love his defense for a point guard. I simply haven't heard anyone call him a flopper other than people who have no clue what they're talking about. Mostly casual basketball fans. Never heard it from an analyst, announcer, broadcaster, sportswriter, ANYTHING. There's a difference. Ginobli flops, Fisher precisions his positioning. Learn that difference...PeACe
once or twice in his career? LOL!!!!! wtf! Now i know youre talkin as a fan man. u say u watch more Laker ball then me, and ive seen that like 5 times this year. Where he shoots a jumper and just flings his arms in the air to make it look like he got hit. Where even the announcers commented on it. Kobe being hated on by the refs is seriously one of the most ridiculous things ive ever heard. to anyone outside the "Laker fans", we see Kobe gettin bullshit calls left and right. He just complains alot about calls, and u guys will always take his side. So when he complains, u HAVE TO believe he's right. He's Kobe. Kobe wouldnt complain if it werent true. LOL. Or....maybe he's a whiner. OR, maybe he knows that when u complain to the refs enough...eventually they give u what u want (learnin from Phil).
Or maybe there's a thing called replay. Man, they show a replay of Kobe undeniably getting pounded with no call whatsoever EVERY GAME. It even happened in last nights game, it was fuckin' ridiculous...You said Kobe drawing a foul with NO contact whatsoever. That's RARELY happened...Kobe has flung his arms into the opponents hand and made it look like a foul, but that's also a rarity. And the refs fuck up like that with everyone...I don't know how you don't see this? You don't see what I'm saying about Kobe getting pounded with no whistles? I know for a fact that if you watch as much Lakers as you claim you do, then you know exactly what I'm saying...PeAcE
and at the same time, the refs miss calls every night on every player. The bigs get it way worse then Kobe would ever get it. They get hammered all game with no call. Younger players with no reps, get screwed all game. Especially when playing against a player as big as Kobe, or any star. Players with a bad rep in the league like Rasheed get screwed left and right. Kobe is none of those. He doesnt get it any worse then anyone. Im not saying he's the only player to fake like he's fouled. Shit, Reggie Miller was the king of that shit. But dont deny that Kobe does it too. "I dont know how u dont see this"?"
You're saying that there is someone out there who draws more attention and gets pounded, double/tripple-teamed, and hammered more than Kobe? I don't think so...My point was that Kobe doesn't get those superstar luxuries because the refs hate him...Watch LeBron being reffed, it's like he sucks the refs' dick for an hour before the game...How you don't see what I'm saying is amazing to me.
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Complete the sentence, moron. It wasn't my word, but the NBA one. The only one that counts something. Now stop bitching kid, you ain't even on my level so shut up.
look bandwagon. the NBA retracting one of the technicals doesnt prove Jacksons point. The NBA didnt say "the refs made bogus calls because theyre scared of Cuban". THAT was Phils point. Did the league say that? No. Therefor, they didnt confirm his point. See?
Obviously, the NBA went back and reviewed the tapes...They wouldn't have done that if they felt like Phil's comments were completely invalid and incorrect. Is that not true?
i believe that when a coach publicly criticizes the refereeing in a game....the league will review it. Also, i guarentee u the league doesnt care for Cuban.
Coaches always complain. How often do they go back and change calls? I think that's a very strong gesture...
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Complete the sentence, moron. It wasn't my word, but the NBA one. The only one that counts something. Now stop bitching kid, you ain't even on my level so shut up.
look bandwagon. the NBA retracting one of the technicals doesnt prove Jacksons point. The NBA didnt say "the refs made bogus calls because theyre scared of Cuban". THAT was Phils point. Did the league say that? No. Therefor, they didnt confirm his point. See?
Obviously, the NBA went back and reviewed the tapes...They wouldn't have done that if they felt like Phil's comments were completely invalid and incorrect. Is that not true?
i believe that when a coach publicly criticizes the refereeing in a game....the league will review it. Also, i guarentee u the league doesnt care for Cuban.
Coaches always complain. How often do they go back and change calls? I think that's a very strong gesture...
i think its a strong gesture as far saying the refs made the wrong call. not a strong gesture as far as saying Phils claims about Cuban are right.
Anyways...would u agree this argument has gotten boring?
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Anyways...would u agree this argument has gotten boring?
Yes, because it's purely opinion...
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Anyways...would u agree this argument has gotten boring?
Yes, because it's purely opinion...
good, what a waste of time lol. go serve that ekards fool.
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Cuban is still an eccentric nut bent on exaggeration. Don't listen to him yo.
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Cuban is still an eccentric nut bent on exaggeration. Don't listen to him yo.
yeah im not really a big fan of the guy. he's attention starved. u can tell he was that guy who probably got made fun of alot, but now has all the money. one thing ill give him is, id be willing to bet his franchise is worth far more now then it was before he took over. but he's still annoying.
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Phil has always been overrated to me.
WOW!!! Can you believe that piece of shit? :o What's phil's record against Popavich in the playoffs ? oh, yeah, 3-1 ..Phil>>>Popavich
2001- 4-0
2002- 4-1
2004- 4-2
:-* ..And phil is also ahead in the regular season against popavich ;D
..Seriously, you're a fucking joke. You're monkey ass hasn't even giving phil a Chance to prove What he could do with these team, he needs a couple of seasons like LB. LOL @ you already talking shit about what he's done with these Laker team,,he needs more time like LB, you fucking moron, And then you wonder why people call you a hater?You're pathetic, and NO REAL LAKER FAN TAKES YOU SERIOUS.
I haven't even finish reading this thread but im sure there's going to be more ignorance from teeGay
And 7 , you're a fucking dumb ass....Cuban's Mavs has never beat Phils LAkers @ Staples center...The LAkers won the season series this season 2-1...The Lakers own the Mavs since phil became the coach of the Lakers,is not even funny, And there's that game the Lakers came back from 28 points against the MAvs...so how the fuck does Cuban own Phil? LOL Cuban gets a RARE win against phil and his pussy gets all wet.LOL Cuban is just mad that he's getting exposed,,,the Mavs have no real big man that draws fouls, No guards that draw a lot of fouls, all they do is shoot "J's" but yet they're 2nd in the NBA in FT difference at home? ::)
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Lol at those who think Phil is overrated coz he always has the chance to have great players. What about this year with this so young , unxeperienced team and so few bench deepness? You gonna tell me every coach in the nba would currently do that ?!!! you better kidding me
the definition of "overrated" is being rated higher then you should. no one ever said he isnt a great coach. but its pretty obvious that he's had some unbelievable help along the way because of the players he's had. he's probably had more talent during his championship runs then any coach has in recent history. he is one of the better coaches in the league thats a given. but i wouldnt even put him in the top 3.
LMAO Can you make it more obvious you're a butt-hurt Spurs fan? Phil is the best coach in NBA History....Check his numbers, fag!
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Lol at those who think Phil is overrated coz he always has the chance to have great players. What about this year with this so young , unxeperienced team and so few bench deepness? You gonna tell me every coach in the nba would currently do that ?!!! you better kidding me
the definition of "overrated" is being rated higher then you should. no one ever said he isnt a great coach. but its pretty obvious that he's had some unbelievable help along the way because of the players he's had. he's probably had more talent during his championship runs then any coach has in recent history. he is one of the better coaches in the league thats a given. but i wouldnt even put him in the top 3.
Sorry but that's 100% bullshit. First of all it's not only that Phil was "lucky" to have the pleasure to coach Jordan and Pippen. It's Jordan and Pippen who wanted to be coached only by Phil, cause they thought Phil was fundamental. Remember Jordan when his contract with the Bulls ended? He basically retired because Phil left. And Pippen went to Portland for the same reason. So give him some props, man. The two you say were fundamental to win them rings gave Phil 50% of the props. But you are denying it just cause he's the coach of the Lakers. And about L.A., the most skilled team i remember from the last couple of years is the last Del Harris one: no rings. Miami is a skilled team too (Wade+Shaq+them all): no rings. Portland was a fully loaded team (with Pippen too): no rings (tsk, it feels good being a Laker fan). Dallas has billions to spend to make a good team, but still no rings. Phoenix is mad skilled: no rings. The Kings were probably better a couple of years ago, but the Lakers won. Your Spurs were a great team too, but we won more. You can't simply say Phil was lucky to coach them, c'mon. The difference between him and the rest of todays NBA coaches is that he won rings, the others didn't. Except 2-3 of them. Phil had the intelligence and the knowledge to win it all. 9x. Give the dude some credits.
Great fucking post, Antonio!!
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Lol at those who think Phil is overrated coz he always has the chance to have great players. What about this year with this so young , unxeperienced team and so few bench deepness? You gonna tell me every coach in the nba would currently do that ?!!! you better kidding me
the definition of "overrated" is being rated higher then you should. no one ever said he isnt a great coach. but its pretty obvious that he's had some unbelievable help along the way because of the players he's had. he's probably had more talent during his championship runs then any coach has in recent history. he is one of the better coaches in the league thats a given. but i wouldnt even put him in the top 3.
Sorry but that's 100% bullshit. First of all it's not only that Phil was "lucky" to have the pleasure to coach Jordan and Pippen. It's Jordan and Pippen who wanted to be coached only by Phil, cause they thought Phil was fundamental. Remember Jordan when his contract with the Bulls ended? He basically retired because Phil left. And Pippen went to Portland for the same reason. So give him some props, man. The two you say were fundamental to win them rings gave Phil 50% of the props. But you are denying it just cause he's the coach of the Lakers. And about L.A., the most skilled team i remember from the last couple of years is the last Del Harris one: no rings. Miami is a skilled team too (Wade+Shaq+them all): no rings. Portland was a fully loaded team (with Pippen too): no rings (tsk, it feels good being a Laker fan). Dallas has billions to spend to make a good team, but still no rings. Phoenix is mad skilled: no rings. The Kings were probably better a couple of years ago, but the Lakers won. Your Spurs were a great team too, but we won more. You can't simply say Phil was lucky to coach them, c'mon. The difference between him and the rest of todays NBA coaches is that he won rings, the others didn't. Except 2-3 of them. Phil had the intelligence and the knowledge to win it all. 9x. Give the dude some credits.
i didnt really read your whole post, if the Lakers win the championship this year. then i was wrong. if not, then im right.
LMFAO teeGay got OWNED and about the other commet,,,you saying his championships are not going to count?
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^^ real talk
anyone else agree that the Mavericks will always be a team that fucks shit up in the regular season but will NEVER do shit in the playoffs?
Cuban gets a RARE win against phil and his pussy gets all wet. LOL
LMAO
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anyone else agree that the Mavericks will always be a team that fucks shit up in the regular season but will NEVER do shit in the playoffs?
Well, they won't win a championship anytime soon...So pretty much, yea...LOL