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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: lbc213 on February 22, 2006, 01:01:54 PM
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Orlando, FL – The Orlando Magic have acquired forward Trevor Ariza and the expiring contract of guard Anfernee Hardaway from New York in exchange for guard Steve Francis, Assistant General Manager Otis Smith announced today. In addition, the team has waived forward Bo Outlaw.
nba.com
Hmmm: Francis, Marbury, Crawford,... :-X don't know if it will work but, anyway the lineup sounds explosive.
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Lol@Orlando waiving their best player
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Lol@Orlando waiving their best player
lol at you thinking Francis being better than Dwight Howard.
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Lol@Orlando waiving their best player
lol at you thinking Francis being better than Dwight Howard.
7 even doesn't know shit about b-ball...Dwight Howard is a fucking monster.. 8) 8) 8)
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Lol@Orlando waiving their best player
lol at you thinking Francis being better than Dwight Howard.
7 even doesn't know shit about b-ball...Dwight Howard is a fucking monster.. 8) 8) 8)
Yep, only 20 and he's already leading the league in boards per game. I can just imagine how great he'd be if he could learn to shoot free throws.
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Trevor Ariza? That's who they got for Francis?...Hell, Ariza is a UCLA guy, so I had some hopes for him and he showed some potential, but no way is his value equivilent or even close to Steve Francis...New York got the better of this trade, lets see if they can finally get things going...PeAcE
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i really can't complain about the move the Knicks just made, this is a fuckin steal if ive ever heard of one
Ariza/Penny for Francis?? thats insane... i hope shit gets better caus it cant get any worse
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Pippen on Francis Deal
I am pretty much befuddled with what New York has done.
I am not a great fan of Steve Francis. He rubbed me the wrong way when he came into the league and demanded that Vancouver trade him. He just isn't the type of player that can make your team better or that can get you where you are trying to get to. He is very talented, but his skills are built around his individual success and not around the success of a team.
Any time you take on such a brilliant nickname as "Franchise," that name has to have some validity behind it and I don't think he has shown that he is a franchise player. It is not going to work for him even moving to New York.
This is another in a long list of desperate moves for the Knicks, going back to the Eddy Curry deal. Eddy Curry's success coming to New York has been about as good as my success coming back to Chicago when my career was pretty much done. He hasn't made any impact on that team, which, I am sure for John Paxson, is the best thing to happen. He just let his No. 1 draft pick go and got another one back. It was a good wash for them, because they didn't lose that draft pick. They sort of gambled on it, played with it, let it go, but then they got it back.
Isiah has brought in players on top of players. He isn't giving one player an opportunity to succeed. You have Stephon Marbury there. Then you bring in Jamal Crawford. Now Steve Francis.
What are you going to do with these guys?
These are three guys that love to pound the basketball and create their own shots. Who is going to succeed at that position? To me it seems like they have just told Isiah to just go out there and continue to see if we can have the highest payroll.
I don't see any chemistry with New York. I don't see that trade helping the Knicks in any way and as for Orlando, they have written this season off and are preparing themselves to continue rebuilding their young team. They want to get guys in there that can in the next three or four years be part of what they have been able to establish.
It is going to be the same type of situation. A lot of it has to do with the individual players. Players in today's game are not geared for winning. They aren't geared for a team concept. They're basically trying to get into the game and they have no knowledge as to what the game is really about.
Wow...Pippen comes off as a hater. LOL.
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Pippen is dead on correct. How is he hating? You can't debate anything he's saying - look at the Knicks. They're a fucking joke.
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Pippen on Francis Deal
I am pretty much befuddled with what New York has done.
I am not a great fan of Steve Francis. He rubbed me the wrong way when he came into the league and demanded that Vancouver trade him. He just isn't the type of player that can make your team better or that can get you where you are trying to get to. He is very talented, but his skills are built around his individual success and not around the success of a team.
Any time you take on such a brilliant nickname as "Franchise," that name has to have some validity behind it and I don't think he has shown that he is a franchise player. It is not going to work for him even moving to New York.
This is another in a long list of desperate moves for the Knicks, going back to the Eddy Curry deal. Eddy Curry's success coming to New York has been about as good as my success coming back to Chicago when my career was pretty much done. He hasn't made any impact on that team, which, I am sure for John Paxson, is the best thing to happen. He just let his No. 1 draft pick go and got another one back. It was a good wash for them, because they didn't lose that draft pick. They sort of gambled on it, played with it, let it go, but then they got it back.
Isiah has brought in players on top of players. He isn't giving one player an opportunity to succeed. You have Stephon Marbury there. Then you bring in Jamal Crawford. Now Steve Francis.
What are you going to do with these guys?
These are three guys that love to pound the basketball and create their own shots. Who is going to succeed at that position? To me it seems like they have just told Isiah to just go out there and continue to see if we can have the highest payroll.
I don't see any chemistry with New York. I don't see that trade helping the Knicks in any way and as for Orlando, they have written this season off and are preparing themselves to continue rebuilding their young team. They want to get guys in there that can in the next three or four years be part of what they have been able to establish.
It is going to be the same type of situation. A lot of it has to do with the individual players. Players in today's game are not geared for winning. They aren't geared for a team concept. They're basically trying to get into the game and they have no knowledge as to what the game is really about.
Wow...Pippen comes off as a hater. LOL.
LOL @ pippen admitting he was a has been!!
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hey the guy spits the truth but overall the knicks did get the better end of the deal as francis at least has the potential lto turn their team around.
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LOL...The truth?! The guy is bitter as fuck...He starts off like an idiot. "He rubbed me the wrong way..." Who gives a fuck? LOL. He compared Eddy Curry's stint with the Knicks to his return to Chicago 2 years ago...Obviously, he's very bitter about not being part of the game anymore...No need to hate so blatantly. Had he said he didn't like the trade, it woulda' been a different story (whats not to like? New York loses almost NOTHING)...It's just funny to see everyone saying what they think is gunna happen, how the players will react, etc. We'll see how the team fares, THEN we can make an educated opinion...What Pippen was doing is flat out hating. same thing he did when Kobe scored 81...I never knew he was that typa' person until I started reading his lame ass blogs... ::)
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^You're prolly still bitter yourself cause Pippen played Bryant's 81 points down in his blog.
To those other faggots I ain't even gonna talk
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^You're prolly still bitter yourself cause Pippen played Bryant's 81 points down in his blog.
To those other faggots I ain't even gonna talk
Actually, yes, it really made me look at Pippen in a different way...I wouldn't say bitter, but it definitely affected my outlook on him.
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LOL...The truth?! The guy is bitter as fuck...He starts off like an idiot. "He rubbed me the wrong way..." Who gives a fuck? LOL. He compared Eddy Curry's stint with the Knicks to his return to Chicago 2 years ago...Obviously, he's very bitter about not being part of the game anymore...No need to hate so blatantly. Had he said he didn't like the trade, it woulda' been a different story (whats not to like? New York loses almost NOTHING)...It's just funny to see everyone saying what they think is gunna happen, how the players will react, etc. We'll see how the team fares, THEN we can make an educated opinion...What Pippen was doing is flat out hating. same thing he did when Kobe scored 81...I never knew he was that typa' person until I started reading his lame ass blogs... ::)
Obviously we'll have to see how it plays out. Maybe Marbury and Francis will be tight like bert & ernie, but i don't see it. And I think Isiah is on crack. Seriously. His payroll is over $130 million dollars this year!! If Isiah has that type of payroll and the Knicks don't make the playoffs, then he lost. If you are gonna rebuild, you should accept a couple years of mediocrity, dump your big contracts, get a lottery pick, and build around him. (See Orlando). Isiah is spending and spending, but he ain't got shit to show for it. He'll lose his job soon if the Knicks don't turn it around quick. He dumped Penny whose contract was expiring for even bigger contracts? Eddy Curry is good, and could evolve into a premier player. But he's an irregular heart beat away from being 6 feet deep. The Bulls obviously didn't like what the doctors had to say about his condition or else they would have kept him. Good ole Zeke took him though.
Francis and Marbury are both shoot first point guards. When both are playing, neither will fit the role of a true "1". You think Larry Brown, who is a PG guru is gonna like that? Why is Francis even on the trading block? You think it has anything to do with the fact that he refuses to re-enter games after he sits the bench for a while?
Ironically, you claim Pippen is hating, and in the same breath you admit you're still mad cuz he wasn't licking Kobe's nuts when he got 81. Tell me you see the humor here.
And if this is such a good deal, post up some articles by analysts that are praising Isiah on this trade. You won't find it.
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LOL...The truth?! The guy is bitter as fuck...He starts off like an idiot. "He rubbed me the wrong way..." Who gives a fuck? LOL. He compared Eddy Curry's stint with the Knicks to his return to Chicago 2 years ago...Obviously, he's very bitter about not being part of the game anymore...No need to hate so blatantly. Had he said he didn't like the trade, it woulda' been a different story (whats not to like? New York loses almost NOTHING)...It's just funny to see everyone saying what they think is gunna happen, how the players will react, etc. We'll see how the team fares, THEN we can make an educated opinion...What Pippen was doing is flat out hating. same thing he did when Kobe scored 81...I never knew he was that typa' person until I started reading his lame ass blogs... ::)
Obviously we'll have to see how it plays out. Maybe Marbury and Francis will be tight like bert & ernie, but i don't see it. And I think Isiah is on crack. Seriously. His payroll is over $130 million dollars this year!! If Isiah has that type of payroll and the Knicks don't make the playoffs, then he lost. If you are gonna rebuild, you should accept a couple years of mediocrity, dump your big contracts, get a lottery pick, and build around him. (See Orlando). Isiah is spending and spending, but he ain't got shit to show for it. He'll lose his job soon if the Knicks don't turn it around quick. He dumped Penny whose contract was expiring for even bigger contracts? Eddy Curry is good, and could evolve into a premier player. But he's an irregular heart beat away from being 6 feet deep. The Bulls obviously didn't like what the doctors had to say about his condition or else they would have kept him. Good ole Zeke took him though.
Francis and Marbury are both shoot first point guards. When both are playing, neither will fit the role of a true "1". You think Larry Brown, who is a PG guru is gonna like that? Why is Francis even on the trading block? You think it has anything to do with the fact that he refuses to re-enter games after he sits the bench for a while?
Ironically, you claim Pippen is hating, and in the same breath you admit you're still mad cuz he wasn't licking Kobe's nuts when he got 81. Tell me you see the humor here.
And if this is such a good deal, post up some articles by analysts that are praising Isiah on this trade. You won't find it.
You DO NOT have a clue about what you're saying. Knicks lost practically nothing in return for a premier player who can play both guard positions. Not saying that Francis is amazing or anything, but his value is definitely high...Knicks can even trade him in the off-season for a different big name who can help...But as for now, there is nothing to hate on, as Pippen was doing, because they haven't even played yet...I am not mad at Pippen, I don't even give a fuck, it was just funny that the few articles I've read from him this year have been hate articles...LOL
And last but not least, your requested article praising the trade (even though I dont think the trade deserves praise, I just think it was a decent trade):
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/story/394011p-334060c.html
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LOL...The truth?! The guy is bitter as fuck...He starts off like an idiot. "He rubbed me the wrong way..." Who gives a fuck? LOL. He compared Eddy Curry's stint with the Knicks to his return to Chicago 2 years ago...Obviously, he's very bitter about not being part of the game anymore...No need to hate so blatantly. Had he said he didn't like the trade, it woulda' been a different story (whats not to like? New York loses almost NOTHING)...It's just funny to see everyone saying what they think is gunna happen, how the players will react, etc. We'll see how the team fares, THEN we can make an educated opinion...What Pippen was doing is flat out hating. same thing he did when Kobe scored 81...I never knew he was that typa' person until I started reading his lame ass blogs... ::)
Obviously we'll have to see how it plays out. Maybe Marbury and Francis will be tight like bert & ernie, but i don't see it. And I think Isiah is on crack. Seriously. His payroll is over $130 million dollars this year!! If Isiah has that type of payroll and the Knicks don't make the playoffs, then he lost. If you are gonna rebuild, you should accept a couple years of mediocrity, dump your big contracts, get a lottery pick, and build around him. (See Orlando). Isiah is spending and spending, but he ain't got shit to show for it. He'll lose his job soon if the Knicks don't turn it around quick. He dumped Penny whose contract was expiring for even bigger contracts? Eddy Curry is good, and could evolve into a premier player. But he's an irregular heart beat away from being 6 feet deep. The Bulls obviously didn't like what the doctors had to say about his condition or else they would have kept him. Good ole Zeke took him though.
Francis and Marbury are both shoot first point guards. When both are playing, neither will fit the role of a true "1". You think Larry Brown, who is a PG guru is gonna like that? Why is Francis even on the trading block? You think it has anything to do with the fact that he refuses to re-enter games after he sits the bench for a while?
Ironically, you claim Pippen is hating, and in the same breath you admit you're still mad cuz he wasn't licking Kobe's nuts when he got 81. Tell me you see the humor here.
And if this is such a good deal, post up some articles by analysts that are praising Isiah on this trade. You won't find it.
You DO NOT have a clue about what you're saying. Knicks lost practically nothing in return for a premier player who can play both guard positions. Not saying that Francis is amazing or anything, but his value is definitely high...Knicks can even trade him in the off-season for a different big name who can help...But as for now, there is nothing to hate on, as Pippen was doing, because they haven't even played yet...I am not mad at Pippen, I don't even give a fuck, it was just funny that the few articles I've read from him this year have been hate articles...LOL
And last but not least, your requested article praising the trade (even though I dont think the trade deserves praise, I just think it was a decent trade):
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/story/394011p-334060c.html
Francis CAN'T play the 2. Orlando tried it and he doesn't play well without the ball. And they won't be able to trade him for another big name, don't you think Orlando would have done that if they could?
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same thing he did when Kobe scored 81...I never knew he was that typa' person until I started reading his lame ass blogs... ::)
so are u "hating" on Pippen? lol. Everytime someone says something negative, that doesnt automatically make it "hating". Some people are so confused with that word. I think thats why u throw it around SO much.
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It's so crazy that it might work....i think that is along the lines of what isiaih said in reference to the trade
I believe that whatever happens this season with the knicks wont cost isiaih his job, you gotta give him at least one or two more years to prove himself, i also believe that him and larry brown will get together in the off-season and get this team on the right path...they're still a couple good moves away from being a contender...the talent is there.
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in reference to all the pippen comments. i dont think he's being a "hater", from what i've read he gives Kobe his props. "I would say Kobe is the most polished of all of them as far as being able to handle the ball and create his own shot and opportunity" (doesnt sound like hatin to me) BUT THEN AGAIN he is the same guy who said this about Kobe after getting accidently elbowed by Sheed in the 2001 playoffs:
"He's got bruised ribs? Which side? Aww, he's trying to be like Mike," Pippen said, referring to former teammate Michael Jordan's effort in Game 5 of the 1997 NBA Finals against Utah, when he scored 38 points for the Chicago Bulls despite battling food poisoning.
"He wanted to come out and have a heroic performance after saying he had bruised ribs," Pippen said. "It didn't look like he had bruised ribs. He didn't find a shot he didn't like. He wasn't hurt that bad."
Bryant, who has often expressed deep respect for Pippen, admitted he was disappointed by the remarks, but said he realized his opponent was probably just trying to get into his head.
--courtesy of espn.com
I believe the Pippen blog Nik's talking about Pippen "hating" is this one...... http://www.nba.com/blog/blog30.html
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LOL...The truth?! The guy is bitter as fuck...He starts off like an idiot. "He rubbed me the wrong way..." Who gives a fuck? LOL. He compared Eddy Curry's stint with the Knicks to his return to Chicago 2 years ago...Obviously, he's very bitter about not being part of the game anymore...No need to hate so blatantly. Had he said he didn't like the trade, it woulda' been a different story (whats not to like? New York loses almost NOTHING)...It's just funny to see everyone saying what they think is gunna happen, how the players will react, etc. We'll see how the team fares, THEN we can make an educated opinion...What Pippen was doing is flat out hating. same thing he did when Kobe scored 81...I never knew he was that typa' person until I started reading his lame ass blogs... ::)
Obviously we'll have to see how it plays out. Maybe Marbury and Francis will be tight like bert & ernie, but i don't see it. And I think Isiah is on crack. Seriously. His payroll is over $130 million dollars this year!! If Isiah has that type of payroll and the Knicks don't make the playoffs, then he lost. If you are gonna rebuild, you should accept a couple years of mediocrity, dump your big contracts, get a lottery pick, and build around him. (See Orlando). Isiah is spending and spending, but he ain't got shit to show for it. He'll lose his job soon if the Knicks don't turn it around quick. He dumped Penny whose contract was expiring for even bigger contracts? Eddy Curry is good, and could evolve into a premier player. But he's an irregular heart beat away from being 6 feet deep. The Bulls obviously didn't like what the doctors had to say about his condition or else they would have kept him. Good ole Zeke took him though.
Francis and Marbury are both shoot first point guards. When both are playing, neither will fit the role of a true "1". You think Larry Brown, who is a PG guru is gonna like that? Why is Francis even on the trading block? You think it has anything to do with the fact that he refuses to re-enter games after he sits the bench for a while?
Ironically, you claim Pippen is hating, and in the same breath you admit you're still mad cuz he wasn't licking Kobe's nuts when he got 81. Tell me you see the humor here.
And if this is such a good deal, post up some articles by analysts that are praising Isiah on this trade. You won't find it.
You DO NOT have a clue about what you're saying. Knicks lost practically nothing in return for a premier player who can play both guard positions. Not saying that Francis is amazing or anything, but his value is definitely high...Knicks can even trade him in the off-season for a different big name who can help...But as for now, there is nothing to hate on, as Pippen was doing, because they haven't even played yet...I am not mad at Pippen, I don't even give a fuck, it was just funny that the few articles I've read from him this year have been hate articles...LOL
And last but not least, your requested article praising the trade (even though I dont think the trade deserves praise, I just think it was a decent trade):
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/story/394011p-334060c.html
Entertaining article. Pretty sure the first part was a former coach commenting on the quality of player Francis is, and the second part was a scout evaluating francis' bball skills. Nowhere in your article was their an NBA analyst stating that they thought this was a good trade. Now go find one that does.
Tell you what - Find an article that is written the opposite of these:
Editor's Note: The following are some reactions to the trade that sent Steve Francis to the New York Knicks, who acquired the three-time All-Star from the Orlando Magic on Wednesday for Penny Hardaway and Trevor Ariza.
DEE BROWN: FLAVOR OF GLORY DAYS
As it stands now, Isiah Thomas has got to be thinking he's recreating the old Detroit backcourt of himself and Joe Dumars.
It will be interesting to see how Marbury and Francis coexist side by side.
Francis has had problems with every coach he's had, except Rudy Tomjanovich. Of course, that's because Rudy T. let Francis do what he wanted in Houston.
Larry Brown is hard on point guards. And you add players like Jamal Crawford and Jalen Rose into the mix -- these aren't really Larry Brown type of players. A coach wants players he can coach.
This move is tough to figure out, unless Isiah gets another deal done.
To me, this move by the Magic signals that this is officially Dwight Howard's team. Even though they'll take lumps now, they're building with pieces. With Jameer Nelson, Carlos Arroyo and Darko Milicic, this team could be setting up to be really good . . . and they still have the rights to Fran Vazquez.
The Magic got a young player who can play defense in Trevor Ariza. And they also got the expiring contract of Penny Hardaway. They certainly didn't get him to play. You won't see him in a Magic uniform after the part he played in getting Brian Hill fired in the first place.
They've got pieces in place and salary cap room. Florida has no state income tax. Otis Smith did a great job without taking contracts back.
As for the Knicks, trading expiring contracts for even bigger contracts at this point?
Puzzling.
ESPN Analyst Dee Brown played 12 NBA seasons, finishing his career with the Magic in 2002.
GREG ANTHONY: THE PRICE IS WRONG
In the best-case scenario of this deal, the Knicks become a playoff team.
But at what price?
Even if it works, it won't work. Because if you have a $130 million payroll, anything less than competing for a championship is not worth it. The Knicks won't be doing that. If you're going to be bad, be cheap, which is what I thought the Knicks should do as they rebuilt. They didn't.
Now we have this deal. Francis and Marbury are talented, but I don't think either can play without the ball.
What the Knicks have done is taken a course of adding pieces and adding salary, not adding wins. When you look at a roster -- you want winners and leaders when you're building it. All the money in the world won't bring you a title. You've got to get the right player who's going to be the best fit.
San Antonio and Detroit don't necessarily possess the best talent. And Detroit didn't draft Carmelo Anthony when it had the chance. They would rather have stuck with a guy who is the right fit, like Tayshaun Prince.
As for the Magic, they are positioning themselves where they'll have a chance to improve rapidly. The Magic have done the first part, creating salary cap room.
Now the question is, will they be able to lure the free agent that fits them best? The Bulls put themselves under the cap after the MJ reign, but never reaped the benefits.
You've got to sell the organization, team and philosophy. That's the challenge for the Magic now.
ESPN Analyst Greg Anthony played for the Knicks from 1991-95.
CHAD FORD: WHEN THE MOST IS NOT ENOUGH
Steve Francis for Penny Hardaway and Trevor Ariza?
Knicks fans, I finally get Isiah Thomas.
But if he keeps making moves like this, I won't have to get him much longer.
There's an old adage in the NBA that whomever gets the best player in any given deal is usually the winner of the deal.
Thomas is trying single-handedly to prove that adage is bogus.
Isiah's goal in every trade appears to be to come out of the trade with the best player -- contracts and chemistry be damned.
Look back over his deals for Stephon Marbury, Jamal Crawford, Eddy Curry, Tim Thomas, Jalen Rose and now Steve Francis. In every instance, Isiah got the best player in the trade (not including future draft picks).
He must believe something like this: "If I have the most talent, the deepest bench, the highest-paid coach, and the most media coverage, the wins will come."
• See the full Chad Ford column
JOHN HOLLINGER: POTENTIAL MAGIC POTIONS
With Hardaway's contract expiring after this year and Ariza expected to re-sign cheaply as a restricted free agent, the Magic would be $15 million to $20 million under the salary cap (depending on that year's cap number) when Grant Hill's contract expires after next season.
The Magic's timing is impeccable when one considers the names potentially available in 2007 -- forget about LeBron James and the other stars from the class of '03, since they'll sign extensions, but there's also Paul Pierce, Vince Carter, Dirk Nowitzki, Gerald Wallace, Chauncey Billups, Mike Bibby, Rashard Lewis, Antawn Jamison and Jamaal Magloire.
That's the same summer that the Magic will likely extend the deals of Dwight Howard and Nelson, and 2007 also probably represents Orlando's last opportunity to play the market for the next several years.
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in reference to all the pippen comments. i dont think he's being a "hater", from what i've read he gives Kobe his props. "I would say Kobe is the most polished of all of them as far as being able to handle the ball and create his own shot and opportunity" (doesnt sound like hatin to me) BUT THEN AGAIN he is the same guy who said this about Kobe after getting accidently elbowed by Sheed in the 2001 playoffs:
"He's got bruised ribs? Which side? Aww, he's trying to be like Mike," Pippen said, referring to former teammate Michael Jordan's effort in Game 5 of the 1997 NBA Finals against Utah, when he scored 38 points for the Chicago Bulls despite battling food poisoning.
"He wanted to come out and have a heroic performance after saying he had bruised ribs," Pippen said. "It didn't look like he had bruised ribs. He didn't find a shot he didn't like. He wasn't hurt that bad."
Bryant, who has often expressed deep respect for Pippen, admitted he was disappointed by the remarks, but said he realized his opponent was probably just trying to get into his head.
--courtesy of espn.com
I believe the Pippen blog Nik's talking about Pippen "hating" is this one...... http://www.nba.com/blog/blog30.html
i understand what Pip was sayin about the "bruised ribs" tho. Ive always seen Kobe do that. To the Kobe fans he's a hero. Maybe he just has an extremely low tolerance for pain. But he seems to agonize over every injury no matter how big or small it is. And limps around on D, or in the middle of the court like he's dying...and looks like he's 100% on offense.
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PENNY IS BACK ON THE MAGIC!!!
Penny, (is he on the IR again, and if soon, when he gets off, I am surprised he still is playing actually) is back on his original team. Penny is united with Grant Hill, and the two make the 1995 Dream Team. In 1995, these two would be championship, mainly because Jordan was recoving from baseball, but still. PENNY AND HILL, It finally happened. Am I the only one excited. I have been saying they should team up for the last 10 years. Finally!!! and it's on the Magic, my second favorite basketball team in 1995 too. I've waited too long, please don't let me down.
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PENNY IS BACK ON THE MAGIC!!!
PENNY AND HILL, It finally happened. Am I the only one excited.
yes
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PENNY IS BACK ON THE MAGIC!!!
PENNY AND HILL, It finally happened. Am I the only one excited.
yes
LMAO....
.. and.. yes.
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Hardaway began his career as a perennial All-Star in Orlando, but has faded because of knee injuries. Earning $15.8 million this season, he has been working out on his own in Houston and has played in just four games.
Hardaway has long been blamed for Hill's firing in Orlando in 1997, and he won't be playing for him again.
"We will have a conversation with Penny Hardaway, but Penny Hardaway will never put on an Orlando Magic uniform," Smith said.
from: http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AtjxvzvYXS8fno4oiGxCiPqH0bYF?slug=ap-knicks-magictrade&prov=ap&type=lgns
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Hardaway began his career as a perennial All-Star in Orlando, but has faded because of knee injuries. Earning $15.8 million this season, he has been working out on his own in Houston and has played in just four games.
Hardaway has long been blamed for Hill's firing in Orlando in 1997, and he won't be playing for him again.
"We will have a conversation with Penny Hardaway, but Penny Hardaway will never put on an Orlando Magic uniform," Smith said.
from: http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AtjxvzvYXS8fno4oiGxCiPqH0bYF?slug=ap-knicks-magictrade&prov=ap&type=lgns
career=over
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in reference to all the pippen comments. i dont think he's being a "hater", from what i've read he gives Kobe his props. "I would say Kobe is the most polished of all of them as far as being able to handle the ball and create his own shot and opportunity" (doesnt sound like hatin to me) BUT THEN AGAIN he is the same guy who said this about Kobe after getting accidently elbowed by Sheed in the 2001 playoffs:
"He's got bruised ribs? Which side? Aww, he's trying to be like Mike," Pippen said, referring to former teammate Michael Jordan's effort in Game 5 of the 1997 NBA Finals against Utah, when he scored 38 points for the Chicago Bulls despite battling food poisoning.
"He wanted to come out and have a heroic performance after saying he had bruised ribs," Pippen said. "It didn't look like he had bruised ribs. He didn't find a shot he didn't like. He wasn't hurt that bad."
Bryant, who has often expressed deep respect for Pippen, admitted he was disappointed by the remarks, but said he realized his opponent was probably just trying to get into his head.
--courtesy of espn.com
I believe the Pippen blog Nik's talking about Pippen "hating" is this one...... http://www.nba.com/blog/blog30.html
i understand what Pip was sayin about the "bruised ribs" tho. Ive always seen Kobe do that. To the Kobe fans he's a hero. Maybe he just has an extremely low tolerance for pain. But he seems to agonize over every injury no matter how big or small it is. And limps around on D, or in the middle of the court like he's dying...and looks like he's 100% on offense.
LMFAO!!!!! You've gotta be kidding me if you say you're not the biggest Kobe hater of all time. Pippen KNOWS he was hating on Kobe to get into his head during that series, and you go along with it. Kobe had bruised ribs, the elbow into his ribs was SHOWN, wtf? Kobe has played with injuries that would have you lying in a hospital bed...You seriously need to take a look at yourself. I've never seen Kobe limp around on D, or act seriously hurt in the duration of a game like some players have...You need to check yaself, you are the perfect example of a MAD-style hater. Honestly, is there any way to argue that? I don't think so... :-X
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LOL...The truth?! The guy is bitter as fuck...He starts off like an idiot. "He rubbed me the wrong way..." Who gives a fuck? LOL. He compared Eddy Curry's stint with the Knicks to his return to Chicago 2 years ago...Obviously, he's very bitter about not being part of the game anymore...No need to hate so blatantly. Had he said he didn't like the trade, it woulda' been a different story (whats not to like? New York loses almost NOTHING)...It's just funny to see everyone saying what they think is gunna happen, how the players will react, etc. We'll see how the team fares, THEN we can make an educated opinion...What Pippen was doing is flat out hating. same thing he did when Kobe scored 81...I never knew he was that typa' person until I started reading his lame ass blogs... ::)
Obviously we'll have to see how it plays out. Maybe Marbury and Francis will be tight like bert & ernie, but i don't see it. And I think Isiah is on crack. Seriously. His payroll is over $130 million dollars this year!! If Isiah has that type of payroll and the Knicks don't make the playoffs, then he lost. If you are gonna rebuild, you should accept a couple years of mediocrity, dump your big contracts, get a lottery pick, and build around him. (See Orlando). Isiah is spending and spending, but he ain't got shit to show for it. He'll lose his job soon if the Knicks don't turn it around quick. He dumped Penny whose contract was expiring for even bigger contracts? Eddy Curry is good, and could evolve into a premier player. But he's an irregular heart beat away from being 6 feet deep. The Bulls obviously didn't like what the doctors had to say about his condition or else they would have kept him. Good ole Zeke took him though.
Francis and Marbury are both shoot first point guards. When both are playing, neither will fit the role of a true "1". You think Larry Brown, who is a PG guru is gonna like that? Why is Francis even on the trading block? You think it has anything to do with the fact that he refuses to re-enter games after he sits the bench for a while?
Ironically, you claim Pippen is hating, and in the same breath you admit you're still mad cuz he wasn't licking Kobe's nuts when he got 81. Tell me you see the humor here.
And if this is such a good deal, post up some articles by analysts that are praising Isiah on this trade. You won't find it.
You DO NOT have a clue about what you're saying. Knicks lost practically nothing in return for a premier player who can play both guard positions. Not saying that Francis is amazing or anything, but his value is definitely high...Knicks can even trade him in the off-season for a different big name who can help...But as for now, there is nothing to hate on, as Pippen was doing, because they haven't even played yet...I am not mad at Pippen, I don't even give a fuck, it was just funny that the few articles I've read from him this year have been hate articles...LOL
And last but not least, your requested article praising the trade (even though I dont think the trade deserves praise, I just think it was a decent trade):
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/story/394011p-334060c.html
Entertaining article. Pretty sure the first part was a former coach commenting on the quality of player Francis is, and the second part was a scout evaluating francis' bball skills. Nowhere in your article was their an NBA analyst stating that they thought this was a good trade. Now go find one that does.
Tell you what - Find an article that is written the opposite of these:
Editor's Note: The following are some reactions to the trade that sent Steve Francis to the New York Knicks, who acquired the three-time All-Star from the Orlando Magic on Wednesday for Penny Hardaway and Trevor Ariza.
DEE BROWN: FLAVOR OF GLORY DAYS
As it stands now, Isiah Thomas has got to be thinking he's recreating the old Detroit backcourt of himself and Joe Dumars.
It will be interesting to see how Marbury and Francis coexist side by side.
Francis has had problems with every coach he's had, except Rudy Tomjanovich. Of course, that's because Rudy T. let Francis do what he wanted in Houston.
Larry Brown is hard on point guards. And you add players like Jamal Crawford and Jalen Rose into the mix -- these aren't really Larry Brown type of players. A coach wants players he can coach.
This move is tough to figure out, unless Isiah gets another deal done.
To me, this move by the Magic signals that this is officially Dwight Howard's team. Even though they'll take lumps now, they're building with pieces. With Jameer Nelson, Carlos Arroyo and Darko Milicic, this team could be setting up to be really good . . . and they still have the rights to Fran Vazquez.
The Magic got a young player who can play defense in Trevor Ariza. And they also got the expiring contract of Penny Hardaway. They certainly didn't get him to play. You won't see him in a Magic uniform after the part he played in getting Brian Hill fired in the first place.
They've got pieces in place and salary cap room. Florida has no state income tax. Otis Smith did a great job without taking contracts back.
As for the Knicks, trading expiring contracts for even bigger contracts at this point?
Puzzling.
ESPN Analyst Dee Brown played 12 NBA seasons, finishing his career with the Magic in 2002.
GREG ANTHONY: THE PRICE IS WRONG
In the best-case scenario of this deal, the Knicks become a playoff team.
But at what price?
Even if it works, it won't work. Because if you have a $130 million payroll, anything less than competing for a championship is not worth it. The Knicks won't be doing that. If you're going to be bad, be cheap, which is what I thought the Knicks should do as they rebuilt. They didn't.
Now we have this deal. Francis and Marbury are talented, but I don't think either can play without the ball.
What the Knicks have done is taken a course of adding pieces and adding salary, not adding wins. When you look at a roster -- you want winners and leaders when you're building it. All the money in the world won't bring you a title. You've got to get the right player who's going to be the best fit.
San Antonio and Detroit don't necessarily possess the best talent. And Detroit didn't draft Carmelo Anthony when it had the chance. They would rather have stuck with a guy who is the right fit, like Tayshaun Prince.
As for the Magic, they are positioning themselves where they'll have a chance to improve rapidly. The Magic have done the first part, creating salary cap room.
Now the question is, will they be able to lure the free agent that fits them best? The Bulls put themselves under the cap after the MJ reign, but never reaped the benefits.
You've got to sell the organization, team and philosophy. That's the challenge for the Magic now.
ESPN Analyst Greg Anthony played for the Knicks from 1991-95.
CHAD FORD: WHEN THE MOST IS NOT ENOUGH
Steve Francis for Penny Hardaway and Trevor Ariza?
Knicks fans, I finally get Isiah Thomas.
But if he keeps making moves like this, I won't have to get him much longer.
There's an old adage in the NBA that whomever gets the best player in any given deal is usually the winner of the deal.
Thomas is trying single-handedly to prove that adage is bogus.
Isiah's goal in every trade appears to be to come out of the trade with the best player -- contracts and chemistry be damned.
Look back over his deals for Stephon Marbury, Jamal Crawford, Eddy Curry, Tim Thomas, Jalen Rose and now Steve Francis. In every instance, Isiah got the best player in the trade (not including future draft picks).
He must believe something like this: "If I have the most talent, the deepest bench, the highest-paid coach, and the most media coverage, the wins will come."
• See the full Chad Ford column
JOHN HOLLINGER: POTENTIAL MAGIC POTIONS
With Hardaway's contract expiring after this year and Ariza expected to re-sign cheaply as a restricted free agent, the Magic would be $15 million to $20 million under the salary cap (depending on that year's cap number) when Grant Hill's contract expires after next season.
The Magic's timing is impeccable when one considers the names potentially available in 2007 -- forget about LeBron James and the other stars from the class of '03, since they'll sign extensions, but there's also Paul Pierce, Vince Carter, Dirk Nowitzki, Gerald Wallace, Chauncey Billups, Mike Bibby, Rashard Lewis, Antawn Jamison and Jamaal Magloire.
That's the same summer that the Magic will likely extend the deals of Dwight Howard and Nelson, and 2007 also probably represents Orlando's last opportunity to play the market for the next several years.
Actually, Van Gundy was saying how it was a steal for the Knicks...Look, like I said, the trade doesn't deserve praise, but there's nothing to hate on. The Knicks were already doomed this year, this can't possibly make them any worse. That's all there is to it...PeACe
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Why do people still discuss basketball with NIK. He dont kno the first thing about basketball other then going on espn.com and reading stats.
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Why do people still discuss basketball with NIK. He dont kno the first thing about basketball other then going on espn.com and reading stats.
Good one. ;)
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Why do people still discuss basketball with NIK. He dont kno the first thing about basketball other then going on espn.com and reading stats.
Good one. ;)
you dont, you get sonned every which fuckin way and when you have no arguments you resort to calling people hater's or morons. Whats the point of discussing basketball with you.
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^^speaking the truth
that deserves a :raisetheroof:
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Why do people still discuss basketball with NIK. He dont kno the first thing about basketball other then going on espn.com and reading stats.
Good one. ;)
you dont, you get sonned every which fuckin way and when you have no arguments you resort to calling people hater's or morons. Whats the point of discussing basketball with you.
LOL. The last time I visted espn.com was over a year ago. I don't know where you came with that one from...I always have great arguments, I break down how I feel on a team, player, trade, etc. in detail, something you've never done on this board. LOL. Like I said, I have no idea where that came from, especially coming from you, who RARELY posts about basketball on this board... ::)
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i really can't complain about the move the Knicks just made, this is a fuckin steal if ive ever heard of one
Ariza/Penny for Francis?? thats insane... i hope shit gets better caus it cant get any worse
yup it definetly is im a knicks fan 2 and when i heard about this trade and who they gave up 4 francis i couldnt believe it
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props 4 admittin bein a knicks fan altho it'll prob be taken away by some kobe rider :scarface:
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in reference to all the pippen comments. i dont think he's being a "hater", from what i've read he gives Kobe his props. "I would say Kobe is the most polished of all of them as far as being able to handle the ball and create his own shot and opportunity" (doesnt sound like hatin to me) BUT THEN AGAIN he is the same guy who said this about Kobe after getting accidently elbowed by Sheed in the 2001 playoffs:
"He's got bruised ribs? Which side? Aww, he's trying to be like Mike," Pippen said, referring to former teammate Michael Jordan's effort in Game 5 of the 1997 NBA Finals against Utah, when he scored 38 points for the Chicago Bulls despite battling food poisoning.
"He wanted to come out and have a heroic performance after saying he had bruised ribs," Pippen said. "It didn't look like he had bruised ribs. He didn't find a shot he didn't like. He wasn't hurt that bad."
Bryant, who has often expressed deep respect for Pippen, admitted he was disappointed by the remarks, but said he realized his opponent was probably just trying to get into his head.
--courtesy of espn.com
I believe the Pippen blog Nik's talking about Pippen "hating" is this one...... http://www.nba.com/blog/blog30.html
i understand what Pip was sayin about the "bruised ribs" tho. Ive always seen Kobe do that. To the Kobe fans he's a hero. Maybe he just has an extremely low tolerance for pain. But he seems to agonize over every injury no matter how big or small it is. And limps around on D, or in the middle of the court like he's dying...and looks like he's 100% on offense.
LMFAO!!!!! You've gotta be kidding me if you say you're not the biggest Kobe hater of all time. Pippen KNOWS he was hating on Kobe to get into his head during that series, and you go along with it. Kobe had bruised ribs, the elbow into his ribs was SHOWN, wtf? Kobe has played with injuries that would have you lying in a hospital bed...You seriously need to take a look at yourself. I've never seen Kobe limp around on D, or act seriously hurt in the duration of a game like some players have...You need to check yaself, you are the perfect example of a MAD-style hater. Honestly, is there any way to argue that? I don't think so... :-X
I didnt say he didnt have an injury dummy. i said i understand the point that Kobe does overexaggerate his injuries. Ive never seen somebody draw SO much attention to every little scrape they get on the court as Kobe does. Your only comeback when ANYone says something negative about Kobe is "youre a hater". Do u know how stupid u sound everytime u call someone a hater on here now NIK? Everyone knows thats just your way of thinking. Everyone who has anything negative to say about Kobe is a "hater". Anyone who says something negative about you, is a "hater". lol. You need to check the definition of a "hater" before you call someone it. BTW, kobe has played with injuries that would have you lying in a hospital bed. LOL!!! Youve cemented your place as the second biggest (behind you know who) Kobe dickrider on the forum.
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Why do people still discuss basketball with NIK. He dont kno the first thing about basketball other then going on espn.com and reading stats.
Thank You Messier ;)
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in reference to all the pippen comments. i dont think he's being a "hater", from what i've read he gives Kobe his props. "I would say Kobe is the most polished of all of them as far as being able to handle the ball and create his own shot and opportunity" (doesnt sound like hatin to me) BUT THEN AGAIN he is the same guy who said this about Kobe after getting accidently elbowed by Sheed in the 2001 playoffs:
"He's got bruised ribs? Which side? Aww, he's trying to be like Mike," Pippen said, referring to former teammate Michael Jordan's effort in Game 5 of the 1997 NBA Finals against Utah, when he scored 38 points for the Chicago Bulls despite battling food poisoning.
"He wanted to come out and have a heroic performance after saying he had bruised ribs," Pippen said. "It didn't look like he had bruised ribs. He didn't find a shot he didn't like. He wasn't hurt that bad."
Bryant, who has often expressed deep respect for Pippen, admitted he was disappointed by the remarks, but said he realized his opponent was probably just trying to get into his head.
--courtesy of espn.com
I believe the Pippen blog Nik's talking about Pippen "hating" is this one...... http://www.nba.com/blog/blog30.html
i understand what Pip was sayin about the "bruised ribs" tho. Ive always seen Kobe do that. To the Kobe fans he's a hero. Maybe he just has an extremely low tolerance for pain. But he seems to agonize over every injury no matter how big or small it is. And limps around on D, or in the middle of the court like he's dying...and looks like he's 100% on offense.
LMFAO!!!!! You've gotta be kidding me if you say you're not the biggest Kobe hater of all time. Pippen KNOWS he was hating on Kobe to get into his head during that series, and you go along with it. Kobe had bruised ribs, the elbow into his ribs was SHOWN, wtf? Kobe has played with injuries that would have you lying in a hospital bed...You seriously need to take a look at yourself. I've never seen Kobe limp around on D, or act seriously hurt in the duration of a game like some players have...You need to check yaself, you are the perfect example of a MAD-style hater. Honestly, is there any way to argue that? I don't think so... :-X
I didnt say he didnt have an injury dummy. i said i understand the point that Kobe does overexaggerate his injuries. Ive never seen somebody draw SO much attention to every little scrape they get on the court as Kobe does. Your only comeback when ANYone says something negative about Kobe is "youre a hater". Do u know how stupid u sound everytime u call someone a hater on here now NIK? Everyone knows thats just your way of thinking. Everyone who has anything negative to say about Kobe is a "hater". Anyone who says something negative about you, is a "hater". lol. You need to check the definition of a "hater" before you call someone it. BTW, kobe has played with injuries that would have you lying in a hospital bed. LOL!!! Youve cemented your place as the second biggest (behind you know who) Kobe dickrider on the forum.
LOL. See, the thing is, not everyone is a hater. Only you are a Kobe hater. Had I been naming people Kobe haters left and right, it would be something else. But out of this board, and probably out of a good portion of people I've met, nobody, and I mean NOBODY hates on Kobe as blatantly as you...EVERY time someone says something negetive about Kobe, whether it's on this board, or in a journal entry, I can count on you being the first to agree. Every time someone says that a player is better than Kobe, you're the first to come up in here and defend the opposing player and you start making up reasons as to why Kobe isn't as good as everyone says...LOL...I don't think it's too hard to see...And with WCC, that's a whole nother story. LMAO. How can you even say I'm not the most hated on here?...It's like I'm the Kobe of this place...LOL. There's nothing to argue about, I'm obviously not a Kobe dickrider, I'm a Laker fan and your defense against being called a hater is shielding yourself with the word dickrider... ::)
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Why do people still discuss basketball with NIK. He dont kno the first thing about basketball other then going on espn.com and reading stats.
Thank You Messier ;)
Tom is just mad cuz I said something he didn't like about his precious Scottie Pippen. LMAO.
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MDoggs dreams are squashed. LOL. Penny was waived a few days back... :-X
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I didnt say he didnt have an injury dummy. i said i understand the point that Kobe does overexaggerate his injuries. Ive never seen somebody draw SO much attention to every little scrape they get on the court as Kobe does.
Overexaggerate injuries? Are you kidding me? Come on. If anyone wants to make a claim like that, give some evidence. I guess Jordan "overexaggerated" his flu symptoms against the Jazz in '98. I guess Isaih Thomas "overexaggerated" his sprained ankle against the Lakers in '88. I guess Kobe also pretended to have food poisoning against the Kings in '02.
Give me a break.
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Why do people still discuss basketball with NIK. He dont kno the first thing about basketball other then going on espn.com and reading stats.
Thank You Messier ;)
Tom is just mad cuz I said something he didn't like about his precious Scottie Pippen. LMAO.
No not really, i was going post it in the kwame brown thread but i thought better of it. But i guess i just got tired of you thinking your a know it all on basketball when you know jack shit about the sport. Thats why i dont really bother discussing basketball here anymore. Along time ago i used to discuss bball but whats the point now when you come here and act like a spoiled little kid when someone doesnt agree with you or in your case when 95% of the board dont agree with you on basketball. And also having to deal with addicted to beef. Whats the point.
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I didnt say he didnt have an injury dummy. i said i understand the point that Kobe does overexaggerate his injuries. Ive never seen somebody draw SO much attention to every little scrape they get on the court as Kobe does.
LMAO gawdamn you're one ignorant nigga...what a dumbass...And then you wonder why your karma is low,I never heard someone say SO MUCH DUMB shit like YOU. you don't even deserve to be an NBA fan/have an opinion..just delete your account and kill yourself.
everyone knows kobe plays through injureys,theirs no one tougher then kobe....now your boy shaq,,that guy milks injurey's...
"blaming staff members for not overdramatizing your injuries so that you avoid blame for your lack of conditioning." - Kobe on Fatboy
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I didnt say he didnt have an injury dummy. i said i understand the point that Kobe does overexaggerate his injuries. Ive never seen somebody draw SO much attention to every little scrape they get on the court as Kobe does.
everyone knows kobe plays through injureys,theirs no one tougher then kobe
FIRST & FOREMOST get this str8 right now. i'm not sayin Kobe hasnt had his share of injuries..a lot of NBA players have, but to say there is nobody tougher? you're goin too far with your narrow-mindedness.
Jerry Sloan - Played with a variety of broken bones, including two broken ribs, and never complained
Ron Boone - Played in 1,041 consecutive games in the NBA and ABA. Kept the streak going by playing the first month of the 1978-79 season wearing a mask to protect a broken nose
Isiah Thomas - Scored a record 25 points in the third period of Game 6 of the 1988 NBA Finals against the Los Angeles Lakers despite a severely sprained right ankle. Finished the game with 43 points
Michael Jordan - Despite battling stomach flu, scored 38 against Utah in Game 5 of the 1997 NBA Finals. Played all 82 games nine times in his 15-year career, including his final season at 40.
John Stockton - Missed only 22 games in 19 years and played all 82 games 17 times. Didn't miss a game during 1996-97 despite not being able to bend his right (shooting) elbow most of the time, an injury that required offseason surgery.
But the most well-known as the NBA's tough guy...Allen Iverson...i don't even hafta explain the amount of times that kid has been knocked down and around OR the numerous times he's played with injuries
Quit it with this "Kobe is the greatest, he's perfect, oh almighty Kobe there is none tougher nor better :tosser:"
We all know (NBA fans) that Kobe is an amazingly talented player but you're takin it waaaaaaaay too far with this bullshit & personally, i can't take it ne more, everything you say that is NBA related hasta reinforce your biased idea that Kobe is god
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Kobe played with a fucked up ankle in game 5 of 2000 NBA Finals...he had a GREAT 2nd half/OT..nba.com had it in there top 10 as one of the most incredible performances in NBA Finals history..
And i gotta agree that AI probably is the Toughest S.O.B in the League..all i'm saying is that Teeray is a dumbass for saying what he said...he is clearly a butt-hurt spurs fan..it's time for that faggot to move on.
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see man, you're a biased laker fan. you can't deny it. don't try to make me look stupid because i just come back and disprove anything you try to say. even nik knows he's a bit biased towards the Lakers but at least he can come up with proof/educated predictions...you my friend, are just trying to hate on any1 that isn't rooting for the Lakers
and for the record, i don't agree with tone's assessment that Kobe overexaggerates his injuries, but i do believe he might exaggerate his injury that might've occured on the court to trick the other team into thinking he's not 100% therefor they sleep on him a bit. A lot of NBA players can do it, if i act like i'm hurt and it'll make my defender ease up on me a bit, HELL YEAH im gna act that i'm hurt...anythin to get an edge over the other team
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oh yeah and i don't wanna add any insult to injury but i tried lookin up the greatest finals performances and they had no mention of Kobe in 2000
here's the source: http://www.nba.com/finals2004/greatest_finals_performances.html
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Why do people still discuss basketball with NIK. He dont kno the first thing about basketball other then going on espn.com and reading stats.
Thank You Messier ;)
Tom is just mad cuz I said something he didn't like about his precious Scottie Pippen. LMAO.
No not really, i was going post it in the kwame brown thread but i thought better of it. But i guess i just got tired of you thinking your a know it all on basketball when you know jack shit about the sport. Thats why i dont really bother discussing basketball here anymore. Along time ago i used to discuss bball but whats the point now when you come here and act like a spoiled little kid when someone doesnt agree with you or in your case when 95% of the board dont agree with you on basketball. And also having to deal with addicted to beef. Whats the point.
You have nothing to back your claims...Everything I've said regarding basketball on WCC has been accurate. How does someone not know "jack-shit about the sport" when that's the only thing they watch on TV, it's the main thing they discuss online, and they've been on hundreds of organized teams playing their whole life. I would smash on you, homie...And I act spoiled? LMAO! How can you act spoiled in basketball discussion...I'm sorry I hurt your feelings by dissing your little Scottie Pippen...LOL. You probably don't even watch games, nothing in this section has indicated you do... ::)
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Why do people still discuss basketball with NIK. He dont kno the first thing about basketball other then going on espn.com and reading stats.
Thank You Messier ;)
Tom is just mad cuz I said something he didn't like about his precious Scottie Pippen. LMAO.
No not really, i was going post it in the kwame brown thread but i thought better of it. But i guess i just got tired of you thinking your a know it all on basketball when you know jack shit about the sport. Thats why i dont really bother discussing basketball here anymore. Along time ago i used to discuss bball but whats the point now when you come here and act like a spoiled little kid when someone doesnt agree with you or in your case when 95% of the board dont agree with you on basketball. And also having to deal with addicted to beef. Whats the point.
You have nothing to back your claims...Everything I've said regarding basketball on WCC has been accurate. How does someone not know "jack-shit about the sport" when that's the only thing they watch on TV, it's the main thing they discuss online, and they've been on hundreds of organized teams playing their whole life. I would smash on you, homie...And I act spoiled? LMAO! How can you act spoiled in basketball discussion...I'm sorry I hurt your feelings by dissing your little Scottie Pippen...LOL. You probably don't even watch games, nothing in this section has indicated you do... ::)
ok believe what you want to believe elior, i'll go back to watching basketball with out a unbias mind an you go back to believing its only a matter of time b4 Kwame Brown puts it together. Werent you the one on the board saying the knicks would win the east lmao.
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Why do people still discuss basketball with NIK. He dont kno the first thing about basketball other then going on espn.com and reading stats.
Thank You Messier ;)
Tom is just mad cuz I said something he didn't like about his precious Scottie Pippen. LMAO.
No not really, i was going post it in the kwame brown thread but i thought better of it. But i guess i just got tired of you thinking your a know it all on basketball when you know jack shit about the sport. Thats why i dont really bother discussing basketball here anymore. Along time ago i used to discuss bball but whats the point now when you come here and act like a spoiled little kid when someone doesnt agree with you or in your case when 95% of the board dont agree with you on basketball. And also having to deal with addicted to beef. Whats the point.
You have nothing to back your claims...Everything I've said regarding basketball on WCC has been accurate. How does someone not know "jack-shit about the sport" when that's the only thing they watch on TV, it's the main thing they discuss online, and they've been on hundreds of organized teams playing their whole life. I would smash on you, homie...And I act spoiled? LMAO! How can you act spoiled in basketball discussion...I'm sorry I hurt your feelings by dissing your little Scottie Pippen...LOL. You probably don't even watch games, nothing in this section has indicated you do... ::)
ok believe what you want to believe elior, i'll go back to watching basketball with out a unbias mind an you go back to believing its only a matter of time b4 Kwame Brown puts it together. Werent you the one on the board saying the knicks would win the east lmao.
I said the Knicks would win the east? Where? I said they'd make the playoffs this year before the season started, that's about it though. They SHOULD be making the playoffs with all the talent they have on that team, and especially with their coach who was supposed to be their "saviour". And anyone who is a fan of a team will be slightly biased towards that team, especially when you grew up watching them...Also, I don't think Kwame Brown will be an elite big anytime soon, however, he is a very serviceable big for us...LOL@you probably also got mad deep down inside when I said Kwame was currently playing better than Chandler in that thread a while ago...Like I said, back your claims. I will smash on you...PeACe
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Why do people still discuss basketball with NIK. He dont kno the first thing about basketball other then going on espn.com and reading stats.
Thank You Messier ;)
Tom is just mad cuz I said something he didn't like about his precious Scottie Pippen. LMAO.
No not really, i was going post it in the kwame brown thread but i thought better of it. But i guess i just got tired of you thinking your a know it all on basketball when you know jack shit about the sport. Thats why i dont really bother discussing basketball here anymore. Along time ago i used to discuss bball but whats the point now when you come here and act like a spoiled little kid when someone doesnt agree with you or in your case when 95% of the board dont agree with you on basketball. And also having to deal with addicted to beef. Whats the point.
You have nothing to back your claims...Everything I've said regarding basketball on WCC has been accurate. How does someone not know "jack-shit about the sport" when that's the only thing they watch on TV, it's the main thing they discuss online, and they've been on hundreds of organized teams playing their whole life. I would smash on you, homie...And I act spoiled? LMAO! How can you act spoiled in basketball discussion...I'm sorry I hurt your feelings by dissing your little Scottie Pippen...LOL. You probably don't even watch games, nothing in this section has indicated you do... ::)
ok believe what you want to believe elior, i'll go back to watching basketball with out a unbias mind an you go back to believing its only a matter of time b4 Kwame Brown puts it together. Werent you the one on the board saying the knicks would win the east lmao.
I said the Knicks would win the east? Where? I said they'd make the playoffs this year before the season started, that's about it though. They SHOULD be making the playoffs with all the talent they have on that team, and especially with their coach who was supposed to be their "saviour". And anyone who is a fan of a team will be slightly biased towards that team, especially when you grew up watching them...Also, I don't think Kwame Brown will be an elite big anytime soon, however, he is a very serviceable big for us...LOL@you probably also got mad deep down inside when I said Kwame was currently playing better than Chandler in that thread a while ago...Like I said, back your claims. I will smash on you...PeACe
actually the chandler thing didnt bother me at all because he has been a huge disapointment this year. He started carrying over from what he was doing last season and then hit a wall but thatwas due to injuries. If you look at the past month Tyson has been averaging almost 12-13 boards a game. As much as Tyson has been a disapointment, hes still better then Kwame atleast Tyson plays defense.
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Why do people still discuss basketball with NIK. He dont kno the first thing about basketball other then going on espn.com and reading stats.
Thank You Messier ;)
Tom is just mad cuz I said something he didn't like about his precious Scottie Pippen. LMAO.
No not really, i was going post it in the kwame brown thread but i thought better of it. But i guess i just got tired of you thinking your a know it all on basketball when you know jack shit about the sport. Thats why i dont really bother discussing basketball here anymore. Along time ago i used to discuss bball but whats the point now when you come here and act like a spoiled little kid when someone doesnt agree with you or in your case when 95% of the board dont agree with you on basketball. And also having to deal with addicted to beef. Whats the point.
You have nothing to back your claims...Everything I've said regarding basketball on WCC has been accurate. How does someone not know "jack-shit about the sport" when that's the only thing they watch on TV, it's the main thing they discuss online, and they've been on hundreds of organized teams playing their whole life. I would smash on you, homie...And I act spoiled? LMAO! How can you act spoiled in basketball discussion...I'm sorry I hurt your feelings by dissing your little Scottie Pippen...LOL. You probably don't even watch games, nothing in this section has indicated you do... ::)
ok believe what you want to believe elior, i'll go back to watching basketball with out a unbias mind an you go back to believing its only a matter of time b4 Kwame Brown puts it together. Werent you the one on the board saying the knicks would win the east lmao.
I said the Knicks would win the east? Where? I said they'd make the playoffs this year before the season started, that's about it though. They SHOULD be making the playoffs with all the talent they have on that team, and especially with their coach who was supposed to be their "saviour". And anyone who is a fan of a team will be slightly biased towards that team, especially when you grew up watching them...Also, I don't think Kwame Brown will be an elite big anytime soon, however, he is a very serviceable big for us...LOL@you probably also got mad deep down inside when I said Kwame was currently playing better than Chandler in that thread a while ago...Like I said, back your claims. I will smash on you...PeACe
actually the chandler thing didnt bother me at all because he has been a huge disapointment this year. He started carrying over from what he was doing last season and then hit a wall but thatwas due to injuries. If you look at the past month Tyson has been averaging almost 12-13 boards a game. As much as Tyson has been a disapointment, hes still better then Kwame atleast Tyson plays defense.
At least Tyson plays defense? LMFAO. With that statement, you just proved how little you know. The only reason the Lakers keep Kwame on the court is for his defensive presence. Because his physical ability allows him to guard the elite bigs of the league, he does it REALLY well....If it wasn't for Kwame being our best defender at the 4, do you honestly think he'd still be in the starting line-up? I like Chandler, he's an LA guy...But your "at least Tyson plays defense" comment was just funny...PeACe
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But the most well-known as the NBA's tough guy...Allen Iverson...i don't even hafta explain the amount of times that kid has been knocked down and around OR the numerous times he's played with injuries
I agree, AI is one tough mufucka, I remember he played with broken bone in his hand during preseason of all times, when he didn't even need to play. Iverson is the toughest dude out there right now, I can't disagree with that. I remember that game when Isaih scored 25 with that ankle injury, that was an awe inspiring performance, even for a Laker fan.
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Why do people still discuss basketball with NIK. He dont kno the first thing about basketball other then going on espn.com and reading stats.
Thank You Messier ;)
Tom is just mad cuz I said something he didn't like about his precious Scottie Pippen. LMAO.
No not really, i was going post it in the kwame brown thread but i thought better of it. But i guess i just got tired of you thinking your a know it all on basketball when you know jack shit about the sport. Thats why i dont really bother discussing basketball here anymore. Along time ago i used to discuss bball but whats the point now when you come here and act like a spoiled little kid when someone doesnt agree with you or in your case when 95% of the board dont agree with you on basketball. And also having to deal with addicted to beef. Whats the point.
You have nothing to back your claims...Everything I've said regarding basketball on WCC has been accurate. How does someone not know "jack-shit about the sport" when that's the only thing they watch on TV, it's the main thing they discuss online, and they've been on hundreds of organized teams playing their whole life. I would smash on you, homie...And I act spoiled? LMAO! How can you act spoiled in basketball discussion...I'm sorry I hurt your feelings by dissing your little Scottie Pippen...LOL. You probably don't even watch games, nothing in this section has indicated you do... ::)
ok believe what you want to believe elior, i'll go back to watching basketball with out a unbias mind an you go back to believing its only a matter of time b4 Kwame Brown puts it together. Werent you the one on the board saying the knicks would win the east lmao.
I said the Knicks would win the east? Where? I said they'd make the playoffs this year before the season started, that's about it though. They SHOULD be making the playoffs with all the talent they have on that team, and especially with their coach who was supposed to be their "saviour". And anyone who is a fan of a team will be slightly biased towards that team, especially when you grew up watching them...Also, I don't think Kwame Brown will be an elite big anytime soon, however, he is a very serviceable big for us...LOL@you probably also got mad deep down inside when I said Kwame was currently playing better than Chandler in that thread a while ago...Like I said, back your claims. I will smash on you...PeACe
actually the chandler thing didnt bother me at all because he has been a huge disapointment this year. He started carrying over from what he was doing last season and then hit a wall but thatwas due to injuries. If you look at the past month Tyson has been averaging almost 12-13 boards a game. As much as Tyson has been a disapointment, hes still better then Kwame atleast Tyson plays defense.
At least Tyson plays defense? LMFAO. With that statement, you just proved how little you know. The only reason the Lakers keep Kwame on the court is for his defensive presence. Because his physical ability allows him to guard the elite bigs of the league, he does it REALLY well....If it wasn't for Kwame being our best defender at the 4, do you honestly think he'd still be in the starting line-up? I like Chandler, he's an LA guy...But your "at least Tyson plays defense" comment was just funny...PeACe
ight nik believe what you want. Defense has never really been a knock on tyson except early in his career.