West Coast Connection Forum
DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: HBKid_Jr on March 02, 2002, 05:07:12 PM
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Am i tha only 1 or does any1 else think rap has just turned completely stale. Look at tha 92-96 era, it seems like every albume that dropped was a classic. Up untill 97, every rap era made some sought of positive movement or change for tha better. Since 97, rap has had very little positive in my opinion since than, atleast in my opinion. It jus seems like everything that comes outta rap now a days is wack, every album has similar content with tha exception of a few gems. All tha greats from back in day are shadows of there former selves, like snoop, mobb deep, dpg, wu tang ice cube. every1 is in tha game just to sell records now a days. I listen to all older albums than newer stuff, a lot more. Does any1 else feel rap now a days is stale
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Oh, not another flashback reminisce oldschool post. ::)
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Now its all about the Doe Son
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we can't blame the rappers, they give the fan what they wanna heard
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That's what I've been thinking for so long. Hip Hop now is straight up boring and predictable with a few exceptions. There are some classics that drop here and there but it wasn't like it was before. The West for example dropped a classic every single year from '88-'96. I loved Hip Hop back then to the fullest. The only Hip Hop I buy is early 90's East Coast classics since I own all the West Coast and Dirty South classics. I just recently copped The Infamous and Reasonable Doubt. I've heard them before but never bought them. Tight albums by the way.
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we can't blame the rappers, they give the fan what they wanna heard
not really b/c sales r down for most rappers wit tha exception of few. Maybe its tha overpopulated market of the popularity of downloading but sales r down. How many of us would of ever thought daz would be lucky to sell 100,000 copies. Look at it, a lot of rappers that dropped these classic between 92-96 lose there tru fans everyday b/c they r tired of tha bull shit they put out
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Damn Tom, you hit it right on the nail. I have been thinking about this for a long ass time too >:(
Back in that era 90-96 and a little of 97 many dope ass albums dropped. Albums that still get play from me. Back then did not have to skip songs on an album cause the whole thing was classic. In fact go back and count how many classic and dope albums dropped during that era in rap. You would need more than 10 fingers fo sho!!!!!
Look at all the classics that dropped
Dr. Dre - The Chronic
Dogg Pound - Dogg Food
Snoop - Doggystyle
Warren G - G Funk Era
2pac- Me Against the World
2pac - All Eyez on Me
Nas - Illmatic
and many more
Now since that era there have been very few albums that have been mentioned as classic. Its not that the rappers fucked up rap, its really the $$$$. Money is the root of all evil and it is destroying the quality of rap. Look at those albums I mentioned. You could just pop them into your cd player and let it play all the way without skipping one fucking song.
Now in days you can't do that no more. Sure rappers put like 20 songs on their cd but only 1/4 of them are tight and the content is all the same. I find myself buying more albums from that 92-96 era than recent albums. Westcoast music was at its best. Most rappers now just rap for money. Shit it doesn't take a genius to figure that out.
Damn I wanna go on and on about this but I just wanna say :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( I miss the good old days
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Rap sucks now, just buy what you like, a lot of the hungry cats are underground independent folks... support them...
-Big BpG
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I don't even call myself a "Hip Hop" fan anymore, I'm just a music fan. I just buy whatever albums I like, just so happens i don't buy many albums anymore 'cuz they all suck. :-/
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Hip Hop is a joke rite now.
I mean hearing Nsync on hip hop radio everyday just cuz Nelly is featured in their song is a complete joke.......
They've forgoten their roots on commercial level......
Fucc dat......Im alwayz gonna be stickin 2 my home music.......Bay Area Ind. Scene.......and Bone.......lol......And South Kali shit ofcourse........
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hmm well, it seems like rap has degraded, collabrated with pop n bullshit, its not what it was anymore, wack lyrics, wack artists, wack artists...
its all commercilized ... shit i only bump old songs, notin gud is out now, jus fake shit ... i mean damn, iz changin, and not in a gud way
-{bLaDe}
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rap is def in the midst of some sort of a revolution.......yeah rap's mc's 5 years back and more were so much tighter and had so much more to say wit so much meanin, but dont get shit's bout to change.......first of all theres gonna need to b younger cats that got to step up the conciensness of rap......and another thing is the individual who responsible of bringin rap to a completely nutha level, rakim will b comin out wit his new album while dre of course is producin.....and yo i know its one album but on da real look fo that to change the face of hip-hop......thats why im so hype bout this album, its the best lyricist ever to bless the mic while we have the best producer overseein the album.....also im hype bout the new gangstar album.....xhibit's new album i heard should b prolly a great lyrical album not to mention lots of nice beatmakers, the new em album should b completely diff then what everyone has heard from,common, and basically my fav group "the roots" r comin out with a album this year.......so 2002 and 2003 will b basically b a breathe of fresh air.......a renacance
holla back ya'll
peace
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i feel that hip hop as a whole as gone downhill. all the really want is tha money and dont care bout the quality of an ablum. then they wonder why tha fuck their shit dont sell. recently there has been a lot of disapointments from tha hip hop world. ive also started to listen to other shit more now cuz tha hip hop world has driven me there will all its flops.
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i feel that hip hop as a whole as gone downhill. all the really want is tha money and dont care bout the quality of an ablum. then they wonder why tha fuck their shit dont sell. recently there has been a lot of disapointments from tha hip hop world. ive also started to listen to other shit more now cuz tha hip hop world has driven me there will all its flops.
I partly agree... but there's still only hip-hop for me.
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Its all about money right now, there's hardly any hungry rappers/MC's out there these days, everyone just seems to be in it for the money as hip-hop has become EXTREMELY commercial in terms of success in the recent years & thats where the money lies. I don't blame anyone for getting caught up with money & materialistic things, it's easy to when you've never hardly experienced it in your lifetime, but if the subject matters don't progress and young cats that are coming up stick to the winning formula that is 'bling, bling' right now then I don't see much of a change for a LONG time. I'm just glad that I have my old classic collection to go back to.
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I think that what we go thru rite now happens all the time. Its just that we grew up on CDs that now are classic for us, but ask younger or older people and they'll name other shit. Older cats will say that hip hop started dying in 1992-93 when gangsta shit killed evrything else, younger cats will say "Method man - who?" or some shit like that.
Time goes on and the music changes. Love it as it is, dont whine.
I think Im down w/hip hop 4ever.
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Rap sucks now, just buy what you like, a lot of the hungry cats are underground independent folks... support them...
-Big BpG
Word! I wish it was 1992 all over again! :(
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i felt better about rap music when stillmatic dropped. but i only feel good for bout 25% of rap music. and i thought nelly performing w/ nsync at the grammys was ugly and disgraceful to rap music. ;D
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I agree
The fact that Stillmatic got 5 mics shows how weak the competition in because that album is 3.5 tops and we all agree on that...damn Nas--Lettin us down, bro.
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I have most of the classic's I like to call myself Old School rather than new school. Dont get me wrong I bump to the new shit but there is just sumit about N.W.A and all the other old shit. Amazin
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Great hip-hop is still out there, you just got to know where to look, or just start buying old albums, go ten years back if you have to.
But on the real, I'll always miss the golden era of hip-hop in my life, 1995-96. Absolutely unbelievable the way things were then. I used to be 13,14 throwing up the W. And I was real into the whole pimp image that hip-hop was portraying, that was the way I acted, it was fun chasing girls back then, trying to mess around with as many as possible, get your stats up. But damn the old days done came and went. That shit was a big part of my childhood.
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hip-hop is predictable as in (money, bitches, cars, whatever....) thats the only shit rappers talk about which is getting sick and old now....every fucking video is like this...if i want to watch a ho shake her ass, i would buy a fucking porno...not only that, the songs sucks cuz there is no proper meanings...but at least there is still albums like stillmatic, realness that keeps hip-hop alive.....and sugefight yo stillmatic only 3.5 mics???? damn youre just hating cuz master p ain't 1/512 good as nas lyrically, concept, innovation, etc....
"mary had a big old butt.....ugjhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!" -master p ::)
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I agree
The fact that Stillmatic got 5 mics shows how weak the competition in because that album is 3.5 tops and we all agree on that...damn Nas--Lettin us down, bro.
maybe he let you down but he didnt let alot of real hip hop fans down. Stillmatic did deserve a 5 mic rating. Hip Pop fans like you that say Stillmatic is 3.5, is a disgrace to real hip hop fans
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I agree
The fact that Stillmatic got 5 mics shows how weak the competition in because that album is 3.5 tops and we all agree on that...damn Nas--Lettin us down, bro.
whatver ::)
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Hip Hop is going through a period of change at the moment but none the less in 2001 some hot albums dropped imo.
Chino XL - 'I Told You So'
Sticky Fingaz - 'Black Trash'
Tha Liks - 'X.O Experience'
Cypress Hill - 'Stoned Raiders'
Nas - 'Stillmatic'
Jay Z - 'Blueprint'
Dilated Peoples - 'Expansion Team'
Tha Eastsidaz - 'Duces N' Trays'
All of the above immediatly come to mind as solid albums, plus theres a ton more...
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Over the last few years rap has become materialistic, just bragging about money and how much shit they got. I don't like listening to that shit. Eazy's dead, Pac's dead, Bone Thugs ain't tight like they were on E. 1999. There are still some gems that have come out recently like Esham, Snoop - Last Meal (because of Kokane), and Jay Z The Blueprint. But rap definately does not put out good shit like it used to. Bring back the gangsta shit!!!
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Tom, you're dead on. Hiphop is stale, and boring, someone really, really needs to revolutionize the art, and change it around. Outkast is about the only ones close right now, I personally think to breaking through into something new. Dre, Snoop, Cube, all of them have really dropped the ball by redoing the same thing over and over again. I also don't like how rap isn't growing mature, it's all immature crap. I'm not a big Tupac fan, but right now, everything pales in comparison to his mature songs, like "Unconditional Love". That song's a monster, I don't think anything will ever even approach it as far as being that REAL, and perfect. That's probably the highest hiphop will ever get.
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OH! I almost forgot the phenom known as Eminem. He's the brightest star, in my opinion, with the most potential. He's the only one I can think of that could be Pac.
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ya'll on the west arent to familiar with the god, rakim r ya'll........i mean i hope ya'll know dr dre is producin his next album, and dre ra have 7 tracks already done for the album
peace
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ya'll on the west arent to familiar with the god, rakim r ya'll........i mean i hope ya'll know dr dre is producin his next album, and dre ra have 7 tracks already done for the album
peace
We are familiar with him. We know all the info that has been released on his project Oh My God! Has he dropped yet? NO! We are talking about the Hip Hop that has been released these past few years. The majority is ass cheeks.
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well u know what i do agree with you.....im just tryin to point out some rap artists that take mc'in to another level and make an album worth buying.......the producers and dj's i think have been pretty solid throughout the years......but if we let all the commercial heads know like yo man this album dre's gonna b producin has the dopest mc ever on it.....[eople even youngheads are gonna b like damn i mine as well buy it and peep it cause mad heads are talkin bout it.......c where im comin from
peace
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well u know what i do agree with you.....im just tryin to point out some rap artists that take mc'in to another level and make an album worth buying.......the producers and dj's i think have been pretty solid throughout the years......but if we let all the commercial heads know like yo man this album dre's gonna b producin has the dopest mc ever on it.....[eople even youngheads are gonna b like damn i mine as well buy it and peep it cause mad heads are talkin bout it.......c where im comin from
peace
I feel ya homie. But the peeps, even the young heads, on this forum are well educated in Hip Hop and know that Rakim is droppin' an album soon and have also heard/own his previous work. We all anticipating it as much as you. I can tell your a HUGE Ra fan. West Coast heads look up to and recognize Ra's greatness just as much as anyone else. Peace.
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no doubt yo....what im in the midst of doin right now tho is strenthening my education of lyrical mc's out of da west........you c on the ra album im lookin to hear maybe nas, xzibit, and em, even dre, do a collabo.......i know m.o.p. are a;ready doin a track wit ra.....dont forget the good thing bout ra is hes only 33 where jay-z is already 35........i wanna get into rass kass, cause i havent heard that much shit of his, so if anyone can suggest what type of shit to from him that would b greatly appreciated.....yo and if antones got any new info on the ra album holla
peace
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there are only a few that can change hip hop
the major labels: the majors are the ones that bring hip hop to the world. they have the most control. they dont know what folks want to hear. they just jump on a bandwagon and ride it till the wheels fall off(seems to be the current state)
few artist: there are few artist with the clout that can pretty much do as they want. off tha top of my head the doctor seems to be doing this with detox. once he changes the game with this, we might see the rest of the industry follow his lead as he did with the chronic in 92
the people: we as the people that support this genre of music can change it. u say how?? by not supportting the generic crap that they force their artist to put out. when we stop buying all this generic bling bling fake thug ish. these majors will start to realize that it isnt selling anymore. thats when they will consider taking hip hop to another level with more creativity.
one group that seems to be the most consistent and creative in hip hop history is OUTKAST. think about it; what group seems to sell more or sustain the same sales with every album besides outkast. They keep taking they're creativity to new levels. And they just bring heat to the mic. they basically are the blueprint to style,creativity,consistency in hip hop
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a yo very nice response yo......i do agree wit dre's detox album, however, i believe the album wit ra and dre "oh mu god" will b more of an influence than anything........i def agree wit you bout 92 wit da chronic changin rap, and i also believe rakim changed being an mc forever......with knowledge, his flow, talkin bout skillz, and together wow only time will tell once they release that of how big an album that will in hip-hop history
peace
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Yeah, its getting stale and corny. I'm hoping this is not the future but just a point of transformation.
Hip-Hop will improve tho. If not at least we got the past.
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I agree
The fact that Stillmatic got 5 mics shows how weak the competition in because that album is 3.5 tops and we all agree on that...damn Nas--Lettin us down, bro.
"We all agree on that.."?? Not me, solid 5 mics here.