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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: Gotti......Xl on April 03, 2006, 06:29:50 PM
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That was some bullshit. They give the belts to those faggots but not my nigga Carlito?
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the shit was crayziee.............
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What the fuck are you people talking about? ???
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wwo that was fuked
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bunch of BS; those guys shudnt even be competin with guys like Kane and Big Show, let alone defeating them and that too for the tag titles
by the way, that new wreslt, Ooga Booga or whatever his name is looks like 3 Minute Warning's Jamal; remember him?
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bunch of BS; those guys shudnt even be competin with guys like Kane and Big Show, let alone defeating them and that too for the tag titles
by the way, that new wreslt, Ooga Booga or whatever his name is looks like 3 Minute Warning's Jamal; remember him?
It is him I think. That Estrada guy is the shit.
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That estrada guy was doing a dead on imitation of Ric Flair, anybody catch that? Mannerisms were all identical.
Hulk Hogan was supposed to challenge or work something with Austin, he mentioned it last week. Austin took a low blow @ Hogan at the hall of fame ceremony saturday, and then tonight, neither one of them showed up on t.v. Wonder what happened?
Now, I'll bet 5 bucks it was Austin. Remember when he no showed last time he was supposed to work a match with someone about a year ago? Also, WWE pumped "Hogan Knows Best" in a banner at the bottom of the screen towards the end of the night... they wouldn't have promoted it if Hogan had no showed. Also, there were several banners of superstars hanging from the rafters, one was of Hogan.
Did you notice that WWE was stretching for time all night? For instance, just before the Chavo part, they showed a recap of the entire first hour. They showed every match, and what happened with every match. Then, Chavo came out and did a long drawn out promo about Eddie, although it didn't make any sense and was way too long compared to the other more important angles on the show. They then showed another segment with him backstage afterwards, and then when Flair came out, he was clearly stretching for time as well... talking about the great matches he'd had in Chicago, etc. They even showed a classic Flair match before Flair came out. Come on. This was all shit they added at the last minute to make up for the the Austin/Hogan bit not happening. Even with all the stretching and stalling, Triple H still finished the main event about 2 or 3 minutes early, then they spent tons of time with him after the match, even showing a replay of the finish. Then they showed him standing on the ramp for about a minute and a half.
Totally fucked up show, the Jamal shit is just stupid, why in the hell they would go with that gimmick... AGAIN, is beyond me.
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That estrada guy was doing a dead on imitation of Ric Flair, anybody catch that? Mannerisms were all identical.
Hulk Hogan was supposed to challenge or work something with Austin, he mentioned it last week. Austin took a low blow @ Hogan at the hall of fame ceremony saturday, and then tonight, neither one of them showed up on t.v. Wonder what happened?
Now, I'll bet 5 bucks it was Austin. Remember when he no showed last time he was supposed to work a match with someone about a year ago? Also, WWE pumped "Hogan Knows Best" in a banner at the bottom of the screen towards the end of the night... they wouldn't have promoted it if Hogan had no showed. Also, there were several banners of superstars hanging from the rafters, one was of Hogan.
Did you notice that WWE was stretching for time all night? For instance, just before the Chavo part, they showed a recap of the entire first hour. They showed every match, and what happened with every match. Then, Chavo came out and did a long drawn out promo about Eddie, although it didn't make any sense and was way too long compared to the other more important angles on the show. They then showed another segment with him backstage afterwards, and then when Flair came out, he was clearly stretching for time as well... talking about the great matches he'd had in Chicago, etc. They even showed a classic Flair match before Flair came out. Come on. This was all shit they added at the last minute to make up for the the Austin/Hogan bit not happening. Even with all the stretching and stalling, Triple H still finished the main event about 2 or 3 minutes early, then they spent tons of time with him after the match, even showing a replay of the finish. Then they showed him standing on the ramp for about a minute and a half.
Totally fucked up show, the Jamal shit is just stupid, why in the hell they would go with that gimmick... AGAIN, is beyond me.
I caught the Estrada and I noticed he was a a very Cuban Ric Flair. The "ha" was very old Flair-like.
As for low-blowing Hogan, I saw Bret Hart on TV yesterday and he talked about how when he first won the title and saw Hogan he went up to him backstage to shake his hand (I guess Hogan was visiting) and Hogan ignored him for 5 minutes until Bret walked away, and Bret said it felt good to snub Hogan at the Hall of Fame.
And if they needed to kill time, here's a revolutionary idea; get two wrestlers in there to have a match.
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the new guy (his name was Umaga formerly Jamal) reminds me of he headshrinkers
(http://wrestlemania-fans.com/wrestlemaniaIX/images/headshrinkers.jpg)
somebody also told me that he is Rikishi's nephew, Rikishi was a part of the headshrinkers so maybe sumthin from that played an influence on his new gimmick
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what did austin say?
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what did austin say?
at the HOF ceromony he said he got a can of whoop ass for hogan
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the new guy (his name was Umaga formerly Jamal) reminds me of he headshrinkers
(http://wrestlemania-fans.com/wrestlemaniaIX/images/headshrinkers.jpg)
somebody also told me that he is Rikishi's nephew, Rikishi was a part of the headshrinkers so maybe sumthin from that played an influence on his new gimmick
Actually, Jamal is Rikishi's brother. Rosey is related to them too, but I'm not exactly sure how. One of the OG Samoans is his father.
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That was bullshit, the spirit squad is fuckin gay and dont deserve those belts by a long shot
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That estrada guy was doing a dead on imitation of Ric Flair, anybody catch that? Mannerisms were all identical.
Hulk Hogan was supposed to challenge or work something with Austin, he mentioned it last week. Austin took a low blow @ Hogan at the hall of fame ceremony saturday, and then tonight, neither one of them showed up on t.v. Wonder what happened?
Now, I'll bet 5 bucks it was Austin. Remember when he no showed last time he was supposed to work a match with someone about a year ago? Also, WWE pumped "Hogan Knows Best" in a banner at the bottom of the screen towards the end of the night... they wouldn't have promoted it if Hogan had no showed. Also, there were several banners of superstars hanging from the rafters, one was of Hogan.
Did you notice that WWE was stretching for time all night? For instance, just before the Chavo part, they showed a recap of the entire first hour. They showed every match, and what happened with every match. Then, Chavo came out and did a long drawn out promo about Eddie, although it didn't make any sense and was way too long compared to the other more important angles on the show. They then showed another segment with him backstage afterwards, and then when Flair came out, he was clearly stretching for time as well... talking about the great matches he'd had in Chicago, etc. They even showed a classic Flair match before Flair came out. Come on. This was all shit they added at the last minute to make up for the the Austin/Hogan bit not happening. Even with all the stretching and stalling, Triple H still finished the main event about 2 or 3 minutes early, then they spent tons of time with him after the match, even showing a replay of the finish. Then they showed him standing on the ramp for about a minute and a half.
Totally fucked up show, the Jamal shit is just stupid, why in the hell they would go with that gimmick... AGAIN, is beyond me.
I caught the Estrada and I noticed he was a a very Cuban Ric Flair. The "ha" was very old Flair-like.
As for low-blowing Hogan, I saw Bret Hart on TV yesterday and he talked about how when he first won the title and saw Hogan he went up to him backstage to shake his hand (I guess Hogan was visiting) and Hogan ignored him for 5 minutes until Bret walked away, and Bret said it felt good to snub Hogan at the Hall of Fame.
And if they needed to kill time, here's a revolutionary idea; get two wrestlers in there to have a match.
Bret Hart is a psychopath. So I wouldn't entirely trust anything he says. For instance, he keeps insisting that he swore the day that he quit that he would never work for Vince again, so he turned down pay to appear at the Hall of Fame. Funny that he didn't turn down the pay Vince is giving him to do the Hart DVD, and he didn't have any problems touring the entire world to promote the DVD. It's also funny that he's allowing Vince to sell "Bret Hart" t-shirts at live events and on WWE.com... but, he's not working for them, right? Such a fucking hypocrite. Plus, he said in his speech "I swore that night, that if they ever wanted me to join the hall of fame, I'd be here". Yeah. I'm sure he thought of it that night. To close, his continued bitterness towards Shawn Michaels, who was doing what he was told, and his ability to work for Vince McMahon, the guy who told Shawn to do it, makes absolutely no fucking sense. I think Bret had mental issues long before Goldberg kicked him in the head.
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That estrada guy was doing a dead on imitation of Ric Flair, anybody catch that? Mannerisms were all identical.
Hulk Hogan was supposed to challenge or work something with Austin, he mentioned it last week. Austin took a low blow @ Hogan at the hall of fame ceremony saturday, and then tonight, neither one of them showed up on t.v. Wonder what happened?
Now, I'll bet 5 bucks it was Austin. Remember when he no showed last time he was supposed to work a match with someone about a year ago? Also, WWE pumped "Hogan Knows Best" in a banner at the bottom of the screen towards the end of the night... they wouldn't have promoted it if Hogan had no showed. Also, there were several banners of superstars hanging from the rafters, one was of Hogan.
Did you notice that WWE was stretching for time all night? For instance, just before the Chavo part, they showed a recap of the entire first hour. They showed every match, and what happened with every match. Then, Chavo came out and did a long drawn out promo about Eddie, although it didn't make any sense and was way too long compared to the other more important angles on the show. They then showed another segment with him backstage afterwards, and then when Flair came out, he was clearly stretching for time as well... talking about the great matches he'd had in Chicago, etc. They even showed a classic Flair match before Flair came out. Come on. This was all shit they added at the last minute to make up for the the Austin/Hogan bit not happening. Even with all the stretching and stalling, Triple H still finished the main event about 2 or 3 minutes early, then they spent tons of time with him after the match, even showing a replay of the finish. Then they showed him standing on the ramp for about a minute and a half.
Totally fucked up show, the Jamal shit is just stupid, why in the hell they would go with that gimmick... AGAIN, is beyond me.
I caught the Estrada and I noticed he was a a very Cuban Ric Flair. The "ha" was very old Flair-like.
As for low-blowing Hogan, I saw Bret Hart on TV yesterday and he talked about how when he first won the title and saw Hogan he went up to him backstage to shake his hand (I guess Hogan was visiting) and Hogan ignored him for 5 minutes until Bret walked away, and Bret said it felt good to snub Hogan at the Hall of Fame.
And if they needed to kill time, here's a revolutionary idea; get two wrestlers in there to have a match.
Bret Hart is a psychopath. So I wouldn't entirely trust anything he says. For instance, he keeps insisting that he swore the day that he quit that he would never work for Vince again, so he turned down pay to appear at the Hall of Fame. Funny that he didn't turn down the pay Vince is giving him to do the Hart DVD, and he didn't have any problems touring the entire world to promote the DVD. It's also funny that he's allowing Vince to sell "Bret Hart" t-shirts at live events and on WWE.com... but, he's not working for them, right? Such a fucking hypocrite. Plus, he said in his speech "I swore that night, that if they ever wanted me to join the hall of fame, I'd be here". Yeah. I'm sure he thought of it that night. To close, his continued bitterness towards Shawn Michaels, who was doing what he was told, and his ability to work for Vince McMahon, the guy who told Shawn to do it, makes absolutely no fucking sense. I think Bret had mental issues long before Goldberg kicked him in the head.
i always wondered why bret had a grudge against shawn even tho it woz vince that screwed him over, does bret hate earl hebner too? and the time keeper for that matter?
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the thing about the DVD was that Vince had all the rights for the photos and videos of his match, and he wanted to give sumthin back to his fans so thats why he did the DVD
the Bret Hart t-shirts might just be somethin done by WWE since they do own the rights to all his stuff, so they might as well make some money off of him considering they can probably make a good deal of money with all the promo Bret has going on for him.
as for Vince, i read in some other interview today that Vince apologized to him after Owen's death about screwing him over or something; the interview also said how he told Shawn he (Hart) would be willing to put Shawn over, but Shawn said he wouldnt put Hart over he's also said Shawn has never apologized; Shawn has also said he'd do it again; so maybe that's why he styll doesnt like Shawn.
check the interview out, it was done in 2000: http://www.gerweck.net/
on the left hand side, scroll down to where it says interviews, and after that scroll down and it should be the second last interview
some things i dont understand as well, but that's his decision; styll my favourite wrestler of all-tyme lol
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as for earl hebner, i think he also had a grudge against him too till he said they talked about it after they ran into each other at the airport or sumthin like that
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speakin of Bret, Hogan and Big Show...couple of pictures of the nWo from wen Hart was a part of it
(http://www.canoe.ca/WrestlingImagesHarts/bretwin_ustitle.jpg)
(http://www.gerweck.net/hartandhogan.jpg)
i wonder how they got along back then
btw, can somebody find me a good photo of hitmna's logo? thx in advance
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Man I haven't watched wrestling in years. I remeber it was the shit back in the days. It's pretty wack now...they got some stupid ass characters.
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I agree with Shawn. There is nothing to apologize about. He was told to go do something, he did it. Either do it... or your jobless, you've lost the 1 thing in the world you love to do (wrestle), your family's hungry, etc? Easy choice for me. Plus, with Bret perceived as a traitor because he was leaving for the competition? Shit. I would have done it too. They could have called me that night, I would have fucked Bret over instead of Shawn. It wouldn't have been as good of a match, but, yeah, I would have done it.
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Oh, and about the "Shawn wouldn't job to bret". So? At least shawn was enough of a man to tell Bret, FACE TO FACE, upfront. Bret wouldn't job to Hogan. He never did, never would, and Hogan wouldn't either. What's wrong with that? It's how they both felt. It's the TRUTH.
See, that takes me somewhere else. People DO NOT LIKE the truth! However... you CANNOT hold somebody up as an asshole if they're simply saying the truth! Shawn wouldn't put Bret over. Instead of fighting about it, making a big deal about it, he told Bret face to face, like a MAN.
You think Bret Hart would put, say, Fit Finlay over? Hell no he wouldn't. Shawn just happened to not be willing to put Bret Hart over. These things happen.
Shawn (The man) went on to have all kinds of success, overcome back surgery, and is still going strong.
Bret got pissed, fucked up in WCW (possibly through no fault of his own) and his been bitter and broken ever since.
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I never understood why Bret has reconciled with Vince, but still holds a grudge with Michaels. I mean, I love Bret, but that's just plain stupidity on his part. I feel bad for the guy. I feel in a way he's envious Shawn Michaels. How they both suffered serious injuries, but HBK was able to overcome it and how HBK seems to be happy with life since becoming born-again. Bret took the exact opposite path. He became very bitter (regardless of what he says, it's in his demeanor) and is a shell of the man he once was.
No way I take sides between the two, since Vince was at fault. I feel bad for them both because they could of had many great matches. The 2 matches they had (Survivor Series 97 and their champ vs. champ match) were both great.
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At least shawn was enough of a man to tell Bret, FACE TO FACE, upfront. Bret wouldn't job to Hogan. He never did, never would, and Hogan wouldn't either. What's wrong with that? It's how they both felt. It's the TRUTH.
While you might be right about the jobbing part it seems that you totally forgot about something. What about the part, right after their SS97 match, where Shawn acted like he didnīt know anything about the swerve and was all surprised and all that? What about the part where they were sitting in the locker room and Bret asked Shawn if he had anything to do with it and Shawn swore to god that he had no clue.. Youīre calling that being a MAN? Obviously he couldnīt tell him face to face and thatīs what makes him the bitch...
And how could anyone see Bret as a traitor? He was the one that wanted to stay with WWF all the time, then Vince says that he canīt afford the deal anymore and that Bret would be better off in WCW. I think itīs his good right to demand a proper finish to his WWE career. Thatīs why other top people have their fucking creative control in the last month.
I also think that Bret and Vince have a lot better relationship than Bret and Shawn.. either Vince apologized or Bret just thought that he couldnīt expect anything more from a businessman like Vince. No clue about Earl and Bret. And the reason why Bret still holds a grudge against Micheals is not surprising to me... They never really liked each other so thats definatly a factor, plus while claiming to be a born again christian and being all religious youīd think that Shawn might have realized what factor he played in the whole situation.. Iīm not necessarily talking about an apology but at least he could have came towards Bret and talk about it... Even if he "just did what he had to do to keep his job" itīs still a very precarious situation..
Whatever... Iīm on Bretīs side on that one.. He always was my favorite wrestler and that whole Montreal screwjob and whatnot even made him a bigger hero than any wrestling angle could have ever done... at least in my opinion...
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He became very bitter (regardless of what he says, it's in his demeanor) and is a shell of the man he once was.
Are you surprised by that? Just look at it.. After Montreal, at a time where he probaly felt betrayed and whatnot, his whole life took a downward spiral.. He was misused in WCW, then lost his brother, lost his parents, sufferd a career ending injury, witnessed deaths of other close wrestling friends/family (Bulldog etc), had a stroke (he could have been dead too)... to me itīs no surprise that he is broken down.. and I donīt even think that it has anything to do with Shawn.. I think he never got over the deaths of his family members... but whatever.. I just hope that one day he really can overcome all that crap...
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He became very bitter (regardless of what he says, it's in his demeanor) and is a shell of the man he once was.
Are you surprised by that? Just look at it.. After Montreal, at a time where he probaly felt betrayed and whatnot, his whole life took a downward spiral.. He was misused in WCW, then lost his brother, lost his parents, sufferd a career ending injury, witnessed deaths of other close wrestling friends/family (Bulldog etc), had a stroke (he could have been dead too)... to me itīs no surprise that he is broken down.. and I donīt even think that it has anything to do with Shawn.. I think he never got over the deaths of his family members... but whatever.. I just hope that one day he really can overcome all that crap...
Well sure, he has the right to be upset. It doesn't mean he has to be. Anyways, it looks like he's taking steps in the right direction by collaborating with the WWE again. Good for him.
And how could anyone see Bret as a traitor? He was the one that wanted to stay with WWF all the time, then Vince says that he canīt afford the deal anymore and that Bret would be better off in WCW. I think itīs his good right to demand a proper finish to his WWE career. Thatīs why other top people have their fucking creative control in the last month.
Well, yeah in theory he deserved to go out his way, but this was 1997 man. The environment was alot different.....there was actually competition and Bret was going to that competition. Can I blame Vince for what he did? Nah. Business is business and Vince tried to milk everything he could out of his once prized employee before he walked off to the enemy. I bet if Bret didn't demand that he retain the title at SS 97 that the screwjob would of never occured.
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Well sure, he has the right to be upset. It doesn't mean he has to be. Anyways, it looks like he's taking steps in the right direction by collaborating with the WWE again. Good for him.
I wouldnīt really call it being upset... I think heīs not even able to be upset cause he is just too fed up with all that.. He is feeling bad for himself, it seems, and I really think he would do something about it if there was a chance for him...obviously he canīt get out of that deperssion/mood... sometimes youīre just in a hole where you just canīt get out that easy... I just feel sorry for him, like Iīd feel for any other person thatīs obviously not happy, and thatīs being bashed or badmouthed...
Well, yeah in theory he deserved to go out his way, but this was 1997 man. The environment was alot different.....there was actually competition and Bret was going to that competition. Can I blame Vince for what he did? Nah. Business is business and Vince tried to milk everything he could out of his once prized employee before he walked off to the enemy. I bet if Bret didn't demand that he retain the title at SS 97 that the screwjob would of never occured.
Iīm with you on that one cause I donīt blame Vince either.. He has a business to protect but from what we know Bret just wanted not to lose there, make it a dq, make it whatever.. Take the title away from him immediatly after the match, so he has no chance to show up with it in WCW, and do whatever.. I donīt even know how they should have handled the situation.. I know he could have showen up the next day on Nitro, with no titlechange and how should Vince have an answer for that.. Iīm aware of all that.. I just think it was the worst way to handle it... especially in Bretīs case cause he was loyal to Vince for such a long time...
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Shawn was told to do something, he did it. His reaction of disgust could be seen as his disgust at what McMahon made him do. His comments in the dressing room about not knowing about it, that could have been what Vince told him to do as well.
When it comes right down to it, 1 man made all this happen. Vince McMahon.
Bret's got a lot on his plate, I understand that... but that's the test of a man. Everybody falls down and everybody gets their teeth kicked in by one thing or another, Men get back up and dust themselves off. Shawn Michaels is a perfect example of that.
Unfortuantely though, Bret hasn't been able to do that. I agree with whoever above said maybe these are some first steps in that direction, that would be great. Bret has been through more than most men go through. He did get fucked, one way or another in Montreal. He went to WCW and was horribly misused there. Goldberg ended his career by kicking him in the head (I hate Goldberg for that). He had a stroke. He's worked years just to get mobility back in his arm. His brother died in a friek wrestling accident, at the company he had left on bad terms. His brother in law died. His father just died. Bret's wife just left him last year. I mean there are countless, countless fucked up things that have happened to this guy. I hope he gets some peace from the storm.
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What injury did Bret suffer?
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Bret Hart is probably the greatest technical wrestler of all time. He knows every wrestling move, and could execute any of them at any time in any match. He would call his matches in the ring, and work the crowd through ring psychology... if the crowd is bored, he'd call for his opponent to do something exciting, he might slap somebody in the face if he thought the crowd would like it, etc... in the ring, Bret Hart was definately one of the greatest wrestlers of all time, and Bret Hart never hurt 1 person in the ring. He was the consumate professional as a wrestler, he could wrestle all night and one of the most talented atheletes the wrestling ring has ever seen.
When he worked an angle with Goldberg in WCW, he was injured in a match. Goldberg was a washed up football player who made up for his inadequacy in the ring by showing intense passion and energy. He'd jump in the ring and scream and beat the shit out of somebody.
So, you have Bret Hart, one of the, or THE greatest wrestler of all time, able to make someone look in pain with 1000 different moves and not hurt them with any of them, in the ring with some dumbass who doesn't know but about 3 moves. Goldberg decided in the middle of the match, that it would be really cool and intense looking if he kicked Bret in the head as hard as he could. So he kicked Bret in the head, gave a man who never hurt anybody in his life a fucking head concussion just so he'd look like a bad ass in front of the crowd. Bret could have made Goldberg look like the greatest wrestler ever, because he was talented enough to carry anybody to a great match.
So, Bret starts suffereing dizzy spells, hearing loss, can't see, can't walk right, fainting, etc. all from this concussion. Can't wrestle anymore, and eventually has a stroke from it which paralyzes (for a year or two) one side of his body.
I blame Goldberg 100%.
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Bret Hart is probably the greatest technical wrestler of all time.
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What injury did Bret suffer?
he suffered a career-ending concussion
he also had a stroke and wwas involved in a biking accident
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That estrada guy was doing a dead on imitation of Ric Flair, anybody catch that? Mannerisms were all identical.
Hulk Hogan was supposed to challenge or work something with Austin, he mentioned it last week. Austin took a low blow @ Hogan at the hall of fame ceremony saturday, and then tonight, neither one of them showed up on t.v. Wonder what happened?
Now, I'll bet 5 bucks it was Austin. Remember when he no showed last time he was supposed to work a match with someone about a year ago? Also, WWE pumped "Hogan Knows Best" in a banner at the bottom of the screen towards the end of the night... they wouldn't have promoted it if Hogan had no showed. Also, there were several banners of superstars hanging from the rafters, one was of Hogan.
Did you notice that WWE was stretching for time all night? For instance, just before the Chavo part, they showed a recap of the entire first hour. They showed every match, and what happened with every match. Then, Chavo came out and did a long drawn out promo about Eddie, although it didn't make any sense and was way too long compared to the other more important angles on the show. They then showed another segment with him backstage afterwards, and then when Flair came out, he was clearly stretching for time as well... talking about the great matches he'd had in Chicago, etc. They even showed a classic Flair match before Flair came out. Come on. This was all shit they added at the last minute to make up for the the Austin/Hogan bit not happening. Even with all the stretching and stalling, Triple H still finished the main event about 2 or 3 minutes early, then they spent tons of time with him after the match, even showing a replay of the finish. Then they showed him standing on the ramp for about a minute and a half.
Totally fucked up show, the Jamal shit is just stupid, why in the hell they would go with that gimmick... AGAIN, is beyond me.
I caught the Estrada and I noticed he was a a very Cuban Ric Flair. The "ha" was very old Flair-like.
As for low-blowing Hogan, I saw Bret Hart on TV yesterday and he talked about how when he first won the title and saw Hogan he went up to him backstage to shake his hand (I guess Hogan was visiting) and Hogan ignored him for 5 minutes until Bret walked away, and Bret said it felt good to snub Hogan at the Hall of Fame.
And if they needed to kill time, here's a revolutionary idea; get two wrestlers in there to have a match.
Bret Hart is a psychopath. So I wouldn't entirely trust anything he says. For instance, he keeps insisting that he swore the day that he quit that he would never work for Vince again, so he turned down pay to appear at the Hall of Fame. Funny that he didn't turn down the pay Vince is giving him to do the Hart DVD, and he didn't have any problems touring the entire world to promote the DVD. It's also funny that he's allowing Vince to sell "Bret Hart" t-shirts at live events and on WWE.com... but, he's not working for them, right? Such a fucking hypocrite. Plus, he said in his speech "I swore that night, that if they ever wanted me to join the hall of fame, I'd be here". Yeah. I'm sure he thought of it that night. To close, his continued bitterness towards Shawn Michaels, who was doing what he was told, and his ability to work for Vince McMahon, the guy who told Shawn to do it, makes absolutely no fucking sense. I think Bret had mental issues long before Goldberg kicked him in the head.
Bret's full of himself and in love with his own career. Him doing the Hall of Fame was no surprise to me and neither was the DVD. But Bret rarely ever lies about the facts. His entire career he had a tape recorder with him and recorded just about everything (this was the source material for the books he plans on releasing). I believe that Hogan snubbed him because Bret isn't the only one to come out against the Hulkster. Shit Hulk even uses his own daughter to get in the spotlight. Of all the interviews about about Hogan knows best where Hogan claims this show is being used as a vehicle to promote his daughter, why is it that Hogan does all the talking and takes up 95% of the camera time and Brooke is onthe side waving for about 5 seconds? You can't deny that Hogan is a glory hog. Most of not all main event wrestlers are, it's how they get to the top.
As for Shawn, the problems with Bret and Shawn go much further back than SS '97. They just don't like each other, and never did. Vince and Bret were very close, Bret even said he was like a second father. It must have killed him inside when Vince screwed him (something I will always believed was set up by Vince from the start to get attention and had nothing to do with the worry Bret might leave with the title). With Shawn Bret was just pissed of because that punk he already hates fucked with him again. The dislike started in '92 because Shawn was a plain and simple dick, it escalated when the Clique thanks to Big Deisel's influence on Vince let them get anything they wanted and BRet didn't like that Shawn was running around backstage like he owned the place. He was told to drop the belt to Shawn and he did. The next year Shawn was told to drop the belt to Bret, Shawn refused forfeited the belt and Bret was then put from WM Main Event to WM midcard (something that worked out great for Austin). Later that year in the summer Shawn starting telling people that Bret was cheating in his wife with Sunny and that lead to a fight backstage. Apparently Bret beat him down in the shower and Shawn went crying to Vince to get out of contract. (The Sunny thing may have been true, or it may have been a way for Shawn to create a big fuss, to get out of his deal and get a big pay day from WCW). After all that the Survivor Series happened. That's why Bret still hates Shawn, because he never liked him to begin with.
P.S. You make it seem like Goldberg wanted to hurt Bret. Bret never blamed Goldberg and continues to defend him. In fact I think Bret blames himself a bit for not blocking the kick since he knew what kind of worker he was in the ring with.
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In my opinion, Bret Hart is the greatest of all time just based on the fact that he rarely had a bad match. He could go in there with Diesel and have a hard hitting match one night and wrestle the 123 Kid the following night and work an amazing technical match mixed with the high flying style ( he actually did that in June of 1994 ). He could switch up his style in so many ways and deliver a great match night in and night out. I've seen him wrestle live many times and he's always been a class act in and out of the ring.
I do not agree with him still holding a grudge as far as Shawn Michaels goes. I think that Shawn has worked extemely hard in the last several years in terms of getting his priorities in life in order and at 40 years old, he can out-work damn near every wrestle on both rosters. It's unfortunate that Bret can find it in his heart to forgive Vince but he still can't stand the sight of Shawn. I suppose one can understand parts of it, being that Shawn DID lie to Bret's face on the night of Survivor Series '97...these two have always had some kind of issue with each other, dating back to the early 90's. Complete opposites if you ask me, but both have produced classic matches and each has cemented his place in wrestling history respectively, imo.
I will always have resentment towards Goldberg for being the guy to end Bret's career. If Bret got hurt in the ring working with a guy who respected the business and had a true passion for the sport, I'd feel different. The only thing Goldberg ever wanted out of wrestling was a paycheck so it hurts to know that one of the most respected wrestlers ever suffered an injury at the hands of someone who had his status handed to him. Goldberg was always a huge mark for himself, and although Bret doesn't blame him for the concussion, it's still pretty sad.
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Did Bret ever injure anyone? I think that's one thing that defines a great wrestler.
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in the ring, Bret Hart was definately one of the greatest wrestlers of all time, and Bret Hart never hurt 1 person in the ring.
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I never understood why Bret has reconciled with Vince, but still holds a grudge with Michaels. I mean, I love Bret, but that's just plain stupidity on his part. I feel bad for the guy. I feel in a way he's envious Shawn Michaels. How they both suffered serious injuries, but HBK was able to overcome it and how HBK seems to be happy with life since becoming born-again. Bret took the exact opposite path. He became very bitter (regardless of what he says, it's in his demeanor) and is a shell of the man he once was.
No way I take sides between the two, since Vince was at fault. I feel bad for them both because they could of had many great matches. The 2 matches they had (Survivor Series 97 and their champ vs. champ match) were both great.
Bret has always hated HBK pretty much from the moment that HBK got into the WWE. If you listen to some Bret Hart interviews & watch his DVD, he has explained numerous times as to why he hates HBK.
As for the whole Bret being bitter; all you have to do is look at Bret's life after Montreal & you can see why he's bitter. WCW fucks up his career, he loses his brother, has his career ended by a mule kick to the head by Goldberg, he loses his brother-in-law, he loses his mom, he loses his dad, he gets divoced from his wife of 20 years, & he has a stroke that almost killed him. I would say the guy has a right to be bitter.
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Nobody has a right to be bitter.
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I never understood why Bret has reconciled with Vince, but still holds a grudge with Michaels. I mean, I love Bret, but that's just plain stupidity on his part. I feel bad for the guy. I feel in a way he's envious Shawn Michaels. How they both suffered serious injuries, but HBK was able to overcome it and how HBK seems to be happy with life since becoming born-again. Bret took the exact opposite path. He became very bitter (regardless of what he says, it's in his demeanor) and is a shell of the man he once was.
No way I take sides between the two, since Vince was at fault. I feel bad for them both because they could of had many great matches. The 2 matches they had (Survivor Series 97 and their champ vs. champ match) were both great.
Bret has always hated HBK pretty much from the moment that HBK got into the WWE. If you listen to some Bret Hart interviews & watch his DVD, he has explained numerous times as to why he hates HBK.
As for the whole Bret being bitter; all you have to do is look at Bret's life after Montreal & you can see why he's bitter. WCW fucks up his career, he loses his brother, has his career ended by a mule kick to the head by Goldberg, he loses his brother-in-law, he loses his mom, he loses his dad, he gets divoced from his wife of 20 years, & he has a stroke that almost killed him. I would say the guy has a right to be bitter.
Yeah, I know Bret always hated HBK. It's just crazy how warm he's been towards Vince lately who orchestrated the whole screwjob when Shawn was just involved.
As far as being bitter. Everyone goes through rough times, but there are people that dust themselves off and move on and then theres the people who wallow in their self pitty. Bret has done the latter. I think he's done with it though, and he's beginning to go on with his life.
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i just want to know if shawn is so born again why he can't approach hart and talk it out without media or god jesus and mr mcmahon <----- haha the iron sheik is the man, yell
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I wanna watch that Bret Hart DVD but no way Ima buy. Can anyone hook it up
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I wanna watch that Bret Hart DVD but no way Ima buy. Can anyone hook it up
Buy it. Itīs worth it.
30 dollars or whatever is not too much for a 3 disc set filled with great matches...
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pick up shawn's book....shows his side of the story ...and pick bret's dvd shows his side of the story....
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this thread has been a really good read,
but ther are a couple of things i dont understand
1- why did wcw fuck up brets career, is it the goldberg thing?
2- the thing in 97 wen vince screwed bret, was this a story line or was it a real thing, bret looked pretty shocked?
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WCW was going down the drain from about '98. They didn't know what they were doing. Bret wasn't the only one that got lost in the shuffle.
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this thread has been a really good read,
but ther are a couple of things i dont understand
1- why did wcw fuck up brets career, is it the goldberg thing?
2- the thing in 97 wen vince screwed bret, was this a story line or was it a real thing, bret looked pretty shocked?
1. they didnt really do it on purpose; bret's career got messed up wen goldberg accidently kicked him too hard; even if that wudnt have messed up his career though, eventually something would have happened to it because of what Sikotic wrote in the msg above
2. it was real; there are sum ppl that say its a work but with all the events that ave taken place, its nearly impossible for it not to be real.
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^ so why did Vince fuck him over. I remember watchin that one I stilled watched wrestling then. It was WrestleMania 12 I believe.
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^ so why did Vince fuck him over. I remember watchin that one I stilled watched wrestling then. It was WrestleMania 12 I believe.
this part im actually not a 100% sure about
from what ive heard, it was cause bret was leavin for wcw and it would make the wwf look like a bunch of fools for their champion to show up on nitro wit the wf heavyweight champinship
now the only reason im not sure about this is because i read an interview a few days ago where Bret said he didnt wanna lose the belt in Canada and would rather lose it to Shawn at the next PPV which would have been in the US; at first Vince said ok to it, and then the screwjob came. after the screwjob, bret left (i think he asked to be released or something) as well as the Bulldog and Anvil who also asked to be released; Owen wanted to be released but Vince didnt grant him that because he had about 3 years left on his contract and Owen was a kickass heel at that time. this is all according to the interview though, which might have not even been real, but im not sure.
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^ props on the info.
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lol no probz man
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^ so why did Vince fuck him over. I remember watchin that one I stilled watched wrestling then. It was WrestleMania 12 I believe.
this part im actually not a 100% sure about
from what ive heard, it was cause bret was leavin for wcw and it would make the wwf look like a bunch of fools for their champion to show up on nitro wit the wf heavyweight champinship
now the only reason im not sure about this is because i read an interview a few days ago where Bret said he didnt wanna lose the belt in Canada and would rather lose it to Shawn at the next PPV which would have been in the US; at first Vince said ok to it, and then the screwjob came. after the screwjob, bret left (i think he asked to be released or something) as well as the Bulldog and Anvil who also asked to be released; Owen wanted to be released but Vince didnt grant him that because he had about 3 years left on his contract and Owen was a kickass heel at that time. this is all according to the interview though, which might have not even been real, but im not sure.
To get a little confusion in here I give my version of the story... lol
Bretīs contract was up after SS97... Legally he could have appeared on Nitro the day after Montreal but Bischoff agreed on Bret appearing on Raw just to drop the title to whomever Vince decided... that was the plan in the first place or at least how Bret wanted it to be because, yea, he didnīt want to lose in Canada (or maybe to Micheals - who knows)... so he said that heīd lose it to anyone.. from the Brooklyn Brawler to Pat Patterson lol.. and yeah the rest is history...
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okay let bring something else up involving Bret. Some of yall might know the answer to this.
I remeber a while ago a few year Bret was on MAD TV and he started beating the shit out of a couple of cast members. It seemed pretty real to me because he was talking shit and a couple of the cast looked pretty pisst. Does anyone remeber that and if u do was it real.
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okay let bring something else up involving Bret. Some of yall might know the answer to this.
I remeber a while ago a few year Bret was on MAD TV and he started beating the shit out of a couple of cast members. It seemed pretty real to me because he was talking shit and a couple of the cast looked pretty pisst. Does anyone remeber that and if u do was it real.
Good question... but itīs fake... donīt know how it really started, maybe they had some problems and turned it into an angle... I read once about it but forgot most of it... whatever.. after (?) the initial beatdown William Sasso, who was the victim, came on Nitro and cost Bret the tv title... then a week later they had a match which Bret won... Sasso even appeared on Raw and got stunned by Austin cause he (Sasso) made fun of him.. lol
I try to google for it.. maybe i find the article about the whole story...
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^ thanks. I remmber seeing this a long ass time ago and wondering if it was real cus it seemed pretty real. Not knowing bothered me for a long ass time.
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Bret took the job with WCW before SummerSlam '97 cause he was already pissed with the WWF and he was already scheduled to beat Shawn in the match before informing WWF he wouldnt be re-signing his contract .. once Vince learned about it he asked Bret to drop the title to Shawn, Bret said no, and Vince got PISSED, and thought up the screw job
Vince wouldn't let him leave to WCW and keep the title, how would that look.. the WWF champ turning up to WCW to work? no way Vince was gonna let it happen
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this bret v shaun michaels, was this at the gang rules survivor series in 97?
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Bret took the job with WCW before SummerSlam '97 cause he was already pissed with the WWF and he was already scheduled to beat Shawn in the match before informing WWF he wouldnt be re-signing his contract .. once Vince learned about it he asked Bret to drop the title to Shawn, Bret said no, and Vince got PISSED, and thought up the screw job
Vince wouldn't let him leave to WCW and keep the title, how would that look.. the WWF champ turning up to WCW to work? no way Vince was gonna let it happen
Bret wouldn't end his WWF career with a defeat at home.
I think he could have just donated the title to Shawn AFTER the match.
But fuck loosing in you own city.
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^ i have no idea, my brother is the wrestling freak, i just showed him the post and he told me what to type
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Bret took the job with WCW before SummerSlam '97 cause he was already pissed with the WWF and he was already scheduled to beat Shawn in the match before informing WWF he wouldnt be re-signing his contract .. once Vince learned about it he asked Bret to drop the title to Shawn, Bret said no, and Vince got PISSED, and thought up the screw job
Vince wouldn't let him leave to WCW and keep the title, how would that look.. the WWF champ turning up to WCW to work? no way Vince was gonna let it happen
Here's the real story of Bret contract situation with WWE before going to WCW. Bret was under a 20 year contract with the WWE & a year or 2 eariler turned down WCW money to resign with WWE.Then in 1997 Vince told Bret that he couldn't compete with Ted's money & that he could no longer afford Bret. So WWE & Bret decided to parts ways & it was in Bret's contract that he would have creative control of his character in the final 30 days of his contract. Thus one of the reasons he said he didn't want to lose the belt to Shawn in Montreal. Owen was supposed to interfere in that match & get Bret DQed. Bret the next night on Raw would then vacant the title & go to WCW.
So the info the Watcher gave is BS. Don't know why you're talking about SummerSlam 97 when that was the PPV they gave Bret the belt when he defeated the Undertaker.
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yeah, i meant survivor series, don't know why i typed summerslam