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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: R-Tistic on April 05, 2006, 08:49:29 AM
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I am just curious if a lot of people who aren't black watch BET. In High School, most of the white people seemed to think it was racist and they were like "Would you be mad if they started White Entertainment TV?" and I was like no, but I'd laugh because it would be called WET. But I have heard a few white guys since I have been in college say that they saw this n that on BET, and I had no idea that they watched it.
If you do or don't, how do you feel about it? Personally, most adults and many blacks in their 20s seem to think it is very stereotypical, and many of us are ashamed to watch some of the shows and videos they watch. We are also mad that they cancelled all the positive shows that they used to have back in the 90s and early 2000's.
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well i“m black and i don“t live in america. but i used to watch it when we had it a few years ago. didn“t really watch it too much coz most of the shows just made me ashamed to be black.
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im not black, i mainly watch to see some new music videos here and there
on a side ntoe, lol on the WET thing :laugh:
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I always had issues with calling it Black Entertainment Television but not because there was no WET, since NBC, ABC, and CBS were already as WET as you could get (of course given the fact that the country was 12% black I don't see why any business wouldn't cater more to the vast majority). What bothered me is the "hey look at us we're black and we have our own network" type thing that goes with calling something BET. They could have called it anything and focused on finding the best art by the best black artists and really showcase black artists (not just music) since most of Hollywood and the TV world wasn't. I think calling it BET made the people on it, and behind it look like victims struggling to acheive equality, and while that may have been true in the real world it doesn't mean it has to be presented as such. Like at the Oscars when Oprah's friend Gail King was interviewing Terrence Howard, and then Will Smith showed up, followed by Morgan Freeman, followed by Queen Latifah, and then Jada Pinket; Gail screamed out "Black people at the Oscars y'all". Despite the fact it looked staged it made it seem like the "finally" made it here, when I think they should treat it like of course we're here, we deserve to be because we're god enough. It's a subtle difference from what was shown but I feel it sends the wrong message to young blacks that may be watching Oprah. When Bill Cosby debuted his show there was very little that made it seem like it was groundbreaking with in the show. The point of the show was we are people and we do great things, not black people who don't live in the ghetto. The black part was never shoved down anyone's throat and for that reason I feel the Cosby show had such a great impact on society. It would constently have 30 million viewers every week, much higher than any show on today. Sherman Hemsley did much of the same thing with his George Jefferson character. He didn't forget about the struggles and place in society blacks had but he approached with a level of dignity and assurance that most shows, particularly on BET don't approach it with.
BET now is a joke though, regardless of the name, all it does is further stereotypes for 90% of the time, throw in a documentary on Roots every now and then, and make Martin Luther King's speech the greatest music video of all time (I didn't undertstand that either), and they think they are making progress, or at least want people to think that.
To answer the initial question, I watched it in high school since I was into rap and pretty much everyone I knew watched. I couldn't tell you what most white people though of it since I was 1 of maybe 7 or 8 white kids in my high school, and 1 of 6 or 7 white people living on me street.
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I used to watch it back in like 98-2001 but then the cable company took it away >:(
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I got to agree with R-Tistic when he says that show makes me ashamed of being black. They've pretty much tuned out anything relevent on that channel. It seems like they are catoring to what they think people want to see and that's the only effort they are putting in to it. Most the black people I know either don't watch it or reluctantly watch it because it's ther main "source" for black culture despite the fact that they think it's sub par. Like Shallow said "BET now is a joke though, regardless of the name, all it does is further stereotypes for 90% of the time." In the end it's just another company owned by Viacom. I see black people on the screen, but can someone please tell me where the black culture is? Pop music, syndicates, and old movies, that's what 70% of the show is. :P
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in Romania BET is not available, just MTV..not even MTV2 but i don't watch TV for the simple fact that i hate media (although i study journalism) but if BET was on my cable i'd surely watch it. Anyway...i have all this stuff for free..i can't imagine what would happen if i'd had a resonable internet speed...i get all that for free..all fresh videos.
Remember when "put you on the game" was premiered on trl? thanx to dubcc i had it like 4 hours after the premiere so...i'm satisfied ;D
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I used to watch it when I liked music videos...Shows like "Rap City" & "Uncut" were the shit back then. Now all the music channels are just gaysauce.
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That's like dissing those Korean and Spanish networks fo rhaving their own programming.
I don't go near BET now. It's pure bullshit. I used to try to watch Comic View.....but the white/black comparision jokes got old a long time ago.
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What were the positive shows they used to have?
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no i dont. nor do i watch mtv.
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no i dont. nor do i watch mtv.
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im asian, im not black, but being a minority is always easier to relate. i used to watch it. i used to only for music videos, but now i just go to VH-1 Soul or MTV 2 jams or whatever. bet has pretty crappy programming anyways. pick the crappiest movies and the crappiest tv shows. The Corner was the best thing they did in a long time. but yeah i used to be big on mtv/bet and shit like that, but that shit bores me now.
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They have some good programs......Access Granted for Ice Cuibes new video is on Friday night, so Ill prolly be checking that out.
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Yes I watch it
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They act to black. That shit is annoying. But i do watch it every once in a while ;D
.Access Granted for Ice Cuibes new video is on Friday night, so Ill prolly be checking that out.
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nah i dont really watch it that much,freestyle friday is dope though but thats bout it
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What were the positive shows they used to have?
Teen Summit - Show back in the 1990's where Ananda Lewis came from before she went to MTV.
BET News - News show that showed many different things goin on in the nation, and most of it was black-related issues that probably wouldn't be seen on the regular news
BET Tonight with Tavis Smiley - Tavis Smiley would interview different blacks for many different reasons, but all of the interviews would be serious and had a positive vibe. He was the first that I know to bring DJ Quik and MC Eiht together publically, and he had them both on there talkin to each other and talkin about doin a song together. However, they fired him over some completely bullshit reasons, and most people think it's because Viacom took over.
BET Tonight with Ed Gordon - Similar to how it was with Tavis Smiley, but they ended it as well.
Lead Story - Had a similar setup to "Outside the lines" on ESPN, and talked about different stories that were most relevant at the time to blacks. They would interview people involved with situations, and have panel discussions.
BET Jazz - They used to show Jazz every night, and we all know Jazz as an art form is much more positive and culturally rich than Hip Hop will ever be
So yeah...along with those shows, the regular video shows they had such as Carribean Rhythms and Video Soul just had a much more mature and positive vibe to them than most of what they show now. College Hill basically tries to cancel out everything that was achieved on shows like Teen Summit.
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Thanks, looks like a lot of good shows. Tavis Smiley at least comes out on PBS now, it's pretty good
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I've never watched BET, and I never will. I've never been flipping through the channels and found 1 show on there that looked even mildly appealing to me. Don't take it personal. I also don't watch ESPN because I'm not into sports.
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I am just curious if a lot of people who aren't black watch BET. In High School, most of the white people seemed to think it was racist and they were like "Would you be mad if they started White Entertainment TV?" and I was like no, but I'd laugh because it would be called WET. But I have heard a few white guys since I have been in college say that they saw this n that on BET, and I had no idea that they watched it.
If you do or don't, how do you feel about it? Personally, most adults and many blacks in their 20s seem to think it is very stereotypical, and many of us are ashamed to watch some of the shows and videos they watch. We are also mad that they cancelled all the positive shows that they used to have back in the 90s and early 2000's.
I'm white, I used to watch BET as much as anything. That has changed. For the last couple years I haven't even had a TV up in my apartment. Islam has taught me that this life is too short to waste time watching other peoples lives.
Anyway, I grew up on BET in jr. high and highschool I always watched rap city. You know how we get nostalgic about the old school, back then it seemed it was more about the music then about the bling or the booty shaking. Infact, there's too much ass in the video's today to really even concentrate on the music, the music actually ends up becoming an afterthought.
I also used to watch BET Tonight when Tavis Smiley was hosting it and it educated me to alot of things I may not have paid attention to at the time. I'd say it broadened my perspective when I was younger.
None of that matters now though, Robert Johnson sold the company out a few years ago. The company isn't even owned by black people, Robert Johnson sold it to whites. He's a trader to his race. Now you see one the results of his desicion has been the daily degradation of black women on BET. All it is now is a soft porn network.
BET is BLACK EXPLOITATION TELEVISION.
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So yeah...along with those shows, the regular video shows they had such as Carribean Rhythms and Video Soul just had a much more mature and positive vibe to them than most of what they show now. College Hill basically tries to cancel out everything that was achieved on shows like Teen Summit.
Don't even get me started with College Hill. >:( To any white people on this forum: That's got to be the stupidest and most demeaning portrayal of Black people I've ever seen on BET.
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None of that matters now though, Robert Johnson sold the company out a few years ago. The company isn't even owned by black people, Robert Johnson sold it to whites. He's a trader to his race.
How is he a traitor? He sold his company, it's not like you don't see people do that every week. Whoever he sold it to (those fags at Viacom) should be the ones that recieve the blame.
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My friend has bet and we use to watch the pastor that speak about boxing with god and shit and we were laughing at this shit even though my friend is half black. But i haven't watch it in a while and de description you are making of it dont make me want to pay for that chanel.
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How is he a traitor? He sold his company, it's not like you don't see people do that every week. Whoever he sold it to (those fags at Viacom) should be the ones that recieve the blame.
Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds? Calling it Black Entertainment Television and it's owned by whites? Black people don't own their own television station, and they don't even own the gas station at the corner of all black nieghborhoods.
With all the problems facing black people, they had an oppurtunity to use media to their advantage. They had their own television station in which they could have aired programming that would have been beneficial to their people. They could have used it as a forum for uplifting the mentality of their people and advertising the more virtuous attributes of their community. Now, you see it's only being used as a soft porn network; they are pimpin their black women.
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How is he a traitor? He sold his company, it's not like you don't see people do that every week. Whoever he sold it to (those fags at Viacom) should be the ones that recieve the blame.
Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds? Calling it Black Entertainment Television and it's owned by whites? Black people don't own their own television station, and they don't even own the gas station at the corner of all black nieghborhoods.
With all the problems facing black people, they had an oppurtunity to use media to their advantage. They had their own television station in which they could have aired programming that would have been beneficial to their people. They could have used it as a forum for uplifting the mentality of their people and advertising the more virtuous attributes of their community. Now, you see it's only being used as a soft porn network; they are pimpin their black women.
I agree with everything you said. BET is a sell out, but you didn't answer my question. How is Robert Johnson a traitor?
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I agree with everything you said. BET is a sell out, but you didn't answer my question. How is Robert Johnson a traitor?
Because Robert Johnson is the one who sold it.
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I agree with everything you said. BET is a sell out, but you didn't answer my question. How is Robert Johnson a traitor?
Because Robert Johnson is the one who sold it.
That's what he does. He's a business man. Him selling it was just an indirect action that led to what BET is today.
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That's what he does. He's a business man. Him selling it was just an indirect action that led to what BET is today.
What are you talking about? "That's what he does". So if an Italian Mobster takes one of your family members hostage and charges ransom for her. It's all good because "That's what he does".
That's not a sufficient excuse for selling out your people. He was already a rich and successful business man, he didn't have to sell BET to Viacom. And don't say "indirect" either; since he sold the network, they got rid of Tavis Smiley, BET Tonight, Teen Summit (Their intellectual programming) and instead they added more programs that exploit their race as being nothing but materialistic, ignorant, sex-objects.
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That's what he does. He's a business man. Him selling it was just an indirect action that led to what BET is today.
What are you talking about? "That's what he does". So if an Italian Mobster takes one of your family members hostage and charges ransom for her. It's all good because "That's what he does".
That's not a sufficient excuse for selling out your people. He was already a rich and successful business man, he didn't have to sell BET to Viacom. And don't say "indirect" either; since he sold the network, they got rid of Tavis Smiley, BET Tonight, Teen Summit (Their intellectual programming) and instead they added more programs that exploit their race as being nothing but materialistic, ignorant, sex-objects.
I agree for the most part....he might be a business man, but if you wanna say it like that, then that means he's just living up to the stereotypes of a business man, meaning he has no ethics or values. He definitely had enough money, and he could have sold it to a group of black investors or anyone else, even if he didn't make as much money. It just shows that he values money a lot more than the impact and effect that what he created has and will have on the black youth. I wouldn't put ALL the blame on him, but he should have known that it would happen like it did.
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That's what he does. He's a business man. Him selling it was just an indirect action that led to what BET is today.
What are you talking about? "That's what he does". So if an Italian Mobster takes one of your family members hostage and charges ransom for her. It's all good because "That's what he does".
That's not a sufficient excuse for selling out your people. He was already a rich and successful business man, he didn't have to sell BET to Viacom. And don't say "indirect" either; since he sold the network, they got rid of Tavis Smiley, BET Tonight, Teen Summit (Their intellectual programming) and instead they added more programs that exploit their race as being nothing but materialistic, ignorant, sex-objects.
I agree for the most part....he might be a business man, but if you wanna say it like that, then that means he's just living up to the stereotypes of a business man, meaning he has no ethics or values. He definitely had enough money, and he could have sold it to a group of black investors or anyone else, even if he didn't make as much money. It just shows that he values money a lot more than the impact and effect that what he created has and will have on the black youth. I wouldn't put ALL the blame on him, but he should have known that it would happen like it did.
He may have been forced to sell it. A lot of shit goes on behind the scenes in the entertainment world. He doesn't have the power to fight the big boys. If Viacom wanted to buy BET and they couldn't because he wouldn't sell they could have put BET out of business. It's real easy too. Just ell the advertisors that anyone that airs sponsors BEt won't get any airtime on CBS and there you go.
And Infinite; that mobster example is stupid. Johnson created a a channel to provide a service, he then no longer wanted to provide that service himself exclusively so he sold the company to Viacom for 3 billion dollars, became the second largest shareholder in Viacom and stayed on as CEO until last year when he stepped down gave the spot to a black woman. He still stays on as a chairman, and there is no telling what he could do for his fellow blacks with 3 billion dollars, if that was his agenda in the first place. Remember that despite the fact that there were more responsoble shows at one point, the station was still filled with stereotypical, denigrating, bullshit long before Viacom stepped in.
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That's what he does. He's a business man. Him selling it was just an indirect action that led to what BET is today.
What are you talking about? "That's what he does". So if an Italian Mobster takes one of your family members hostage and charges ransom for her. It's all good because "That's what he does".
That's not a sufficient excuse for selling out your people. He was already a rich and successful business man, he didn't have to sell BET to Viacom. And don't say "indirect" either; since he sold the network, they got rid of Tavis Smiley, BET Tonight, Teen Summit (Their intellectual programming) and instead they added more programs that exploit their race as being nothing but materialistic, ignorant, sex-objects.
LOL. Yeah because a mombster taking my family hostage and someone selling a cable channel are so similar. ::)
And Infinite; that mobster example is stupid.
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Viacom is responsible for ruining BET since they took over control of the network, not the previous owner. For all we know, we may not know the details of the deal and the Viacom execs may have promised to keep the network going in that direction. We all know corporate execs are slimy human beings. Instead of being responsible and promoting quality African American programming, Viacom took the cheap route, and put on stereotypical garbage shows. That's what you expect from Viacom though, they've got nothing but trash out.
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Viacom is responsible for ruining BET since they took over control of the network, not the previous owner. For all we know, we may not know the details of the deal and the Viacom execs may have promised to keep the network going in that direction. We all know corporate execs are slimy human beings. Instead of being responsible and promoting quality African American programming, Viacom took the cheap route, and put on stereotypical garbage shows. That's what you expect from Viacom though, they've got nothing but trash out.
No, the blame is with Robert Johnson. You can't have a network called Black Entertainment Television and then sell it to whites (who have been the historical oppressor of blacks).
Do you think Arabs would allow an Arab Entertainment Television station in Jerusalam to be ran by the Jews? And what kind of content would a station like that carry?
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i use to watch it when it back in the day when they had cool shit on there. now it's just a bunch of stereotypes and shit on there that channle went from BET to NET IMO
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Viacom is responsible for ruining BET since they took over control of the network, not the previous owner. For all we know, we may not know the details of the deal and the Viacom execs may have promised to keep the network going in that direction. We all know corporate execs are slimy human beings. Instead of being responsible and promoting quality African American programming, Viacom took the cheap route, and put on stereotypical garbage shows. That's what you expect from Viacom though, they've got nothing but trash out.
No, the blame is with Robert Johnson. You can't have a network called Black Entertainment Television and then sell it to whites (who have been the historical oppressor of blacks).
Do you think Arabs would allow an Arab Entertainment Television station in Jerusalam to be ran by the Jews? And what kind of content would a station like that carry?
All three of the head chairman at Viacom when BET was sold were Jewish; Sumner Redstone, Les Moonves, and Mel Karmazin. So in actuality he did not sell it to the Christian whites that oppressed them. (Unless you are a big believer in anti-semitic conspiracy theories).
Let's get real, if the whites he sold it to were Muslim whites you'd be jumping up and down in joy like Jesus just came back to earth.
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I'm not a non-black, but I used to watch Rap City sometimes. But ever since they refused to air Little Brother's video because it was "too intelligent" for their audiences, I've stopped watching B.E.T. entirely. I agree with all that's been said in this thread...it's become too exploitative, and it just furthers degrading stereotypes. Granted, I doubt I'd watch ANY music channel given the nature of most rap videos these days, but B.E.T. is definitely amongst the worst.
LOL at any white folks who get all sensitive about calling it "Black Entertainment Television", tho.
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I'm not a non-black, but I used to watch Rap City sometimes. But ever since they refused to air Little Brother's video because it was "too intelligent" for their audiences, I've stopped watching B.E.T. entirely. I agree with all that's been said in this thread...it's become too exploitative, and it just furthers degrading stereotypes. Granted, I doubt I'd watch ANY music channel given the nature of most rap videos these days, but B.E.T. is definitely amongst the worst.
LOL at any white folks who get all sensitive about calling it "Black Entertainment Television", tho.
Props...thanks for the info, I forgot about that little brother video they refused to play. That's a good example of what I was describing.
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All three of the head chairman at Viacom when BET was sold were Jewish; Sumner Redstone, Les Moonves, and Mel Karmazin.
Interesting... and thanks for the info. The point however is still the same (Robert Johnson is still a trader to his people) because Jews have also been a historical oppressor of black people. They mastered a system of interest (usury) that has put most of Africa into an insurmountable debt that they can never recover from.
The point is the Black Entertainment Television station should be owned by blacks, period.
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i agree with infinite, dude sold out... but we'll never know if he was forced to or what-not, if he's still the chair-man then you'd think he wasn't forced out...
and yeah whites have been oppressors in the past, also blacks have oppressed themselves and sold their own people in the past too.... strange how history keeps repeating itself.
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I still don't see how he sold out. He didn't want BET anymore, he built it up to be a great network and decided to sell it to the highest bidder, and reap the fruits of his labor.
That's like if I bought a run down house, fixed it up and built up it's value. Then I sell it to the people who gave me the best offer. If the new owners I sold the house to happen to be crackheads and turn my former home into a crackhouse, how am I at fault?
It's business, he's not gonna sell it to other black people for a lesser offer.
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That's like if I bought a run down house, fixed it up and built up it's value. Then I sell it to the people who gave me the best offer. If the new owners I sold the house to happen to be crackheads and turn my former home into a crackhouse, how am I at fault?
Because Infinite said so.
And Infinite; what about the supposed Black Egyptians that that supposedly enslaved the Jews for all those years? I guess what goes around comes around.
For the record bashing whites, and blacks who help whites doesn't make you any less white. There is no shame in having pale skin. Embrace it.
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I still don't see how he sold out. He didn't want BET anymore, he built it up to be a great network and decided to sell it to the highest bidder, and reap the fruits of his labor.
That's like if I bought a run down house, fixed it up and built up it's value. Then I sell it to the people who gave me the best offer. If the new owners I sold the house to happen to be crackheads and turn my former home into a crackhouse, how am I at fault?
It's business, he's not gonna sell it to other black people for a lesser offer.
This is more than just business. Do you not realize how powerful the media is? People all over the world (if they have satellite) are watching that station and this is the image that is being promoted about black people. The media is more powerful than any weapon today. One of the reasons the Jews are so small in number but they have great power and influence on the world stage is that they control the media. When you control the media you can control people's minds.
The media in this country has historically been used against black people. The only time they show Africa is if there is war or starvation. In the words of Dead Prez "They always got some brainwashed cops shit to watch/ runnin up in niggaz cribs claimin they heard shots".
Even from a business standpoint, he can sell it if he wants to. The name of the network has to be changed though. Because you can't continue to call a network Black Entertainment Television when it is ran by Jews. Wouldn't it make sense that Black Entertainment Television should be operated by black people?
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they can call it whatever they want to....
magic johnson owns a portion of the lakers should they change it to the "Lakas" ?
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All three of the head chairman at Viacom when BET was sold were Jewish; Sumner Redstone, Les Moonves, and Mel Karmazin.
Interesting... and thanks for the info. The point however is still the same (Robert Johnson is still a trader to his people) because Jews have also been a historical oppressor of black people. They mastered a system of interest (usury) that has put most of Africa into an insurmountable debt that they can never recover from.
The point is the Black Entertainment Television station should be owned by blacks, period.
Jews oppressed blacks? LMAO!...Maybe a vast minoirty of Jews. I'm willing to bet that more blacks have oppressed blacks than Jews have...Jews were busy being oppressed themselves during slavery. ::)
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I'm black and I haven't watched that bullshit channel in years. That channel makes us look like buffoons. It's now nothing but a new millenium minstrel show and modern day coonery. It's disgusting.
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Wouldn't it make sense that Black Entertainment Television should be operated by black people?
It shouldn't be called Black Entertainment anyway, and my reasoning was discussed in my first post on page 1, but it can still be black entertainment by white people, if the target is black people or the entertainers are black people. Eminem could be considered black entertainment, while Jimi Hendrix is pretty much white entertainment.
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Wouldn't it make sense that Black Entertainment Television should be operated by black people?
It shouldn't be called Black Entertainment anyway, and my reasoning was discussed in my first post on page 1, but it can still be black entertainment by white people, if the target is black people or the entertainers are black people. Eminem could be considered black entertainment, while Jimi Hendrix is pretty much white entertainment.
i'm black and i'm not entertained by that shit.
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Im Mexican and i watch BET only for the Videos but they are killing BET by trying to make it into a BLACK MTV.What i mean by that is they have 106 park aka TRL,SpingBling aka Spring Break, and access granted aka making the video, and College Hill aka Real World.I sorta of get offended too when they strictly metion that its black entertainment.
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I only watch if
1) I see a fine bitch on the channel when I'm flipping through
2) if I see a video of a rapper I like when I'm flipping through
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jews have oppressed everybody in this world, the only friend a jew can have is money, fuck em all
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How did the Jews get into this equation? LMAO
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How did the Jews get into this equation? LMAO
Because the company BET was sold to are run by Jews.
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jews are everywhere man, they can look friendly to you, but their only friend is profit. If u see a jew, i suggest to punch him in the ballz or somethin.
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Jews have helped my family out in the past when they were down and out on their luck so I got love for them.
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Wouldn't it make sense that Black Entertainment Television should be operated by black people?
It shouldn't be called Black Entertainment anyway, and my reasoning was discussed in my first post on page 1, but it can still be black entertainment by white people, if the target is black people or the entertainers are black people. Eminem could be considered black entertainment, while Jimi Hendrix is pretty much white entertainment.
i'm black and i'm not entertained by that shit.
Where did I say every black person is entertained by it. That doesn't mean it still can't be considered black entertainment. Most people would call the blues that BB King plays black music, but yet he always gets a little insulted that 80% of his audience in concert is white (since he doesn't understand why more young black people wouldn't want to see a big part of black music history).
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jews have oppressed everybody in this world, the only friend a jew can have is money, fuck em all
Wrong. Jews HAVE BEEN opressed by everyone in this world...Prejudice moron.
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jews are everywhere man, they can look friendly to you, but their only friend is profit. If u see a jew, i suggest to punch him in the ballz or somethin.
You're a really ignorant dumbfuck...LMAO. This is equivilent to saying "if you see a black guy, i suggest you shoot him, because most likely he's a thief or a criminal"...You are straight out DUMB. ::)
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jews are everywhere man, they can look friendly to you, but their only friend is profit. If u see a jew, i suggest to punch him in the ballz or somethin.
You need to get off Farrakhan's dick. That's the biggest bunch of shit I've ever heard.