West Coast Connection Forum
DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: Eihtball on April 15, 2006, 06:55:16 PM
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...how so many West Coast rappers contradict themselves over time? Back in the early days, they used to play innocent and say they were just portraying the life, now they act as if they're the hardest gangbangers alive. Some examples:
Dr. Dre: Goes without saying...this is the same cat who once rapped "I don't smoke weed or sess/Cause it's known to give a brother brain damage/And brain damage on the mic don't manage" on "Express Yourself" and then released an album called "The Chronic".
WC:
Then: "If you ain't got a rep, you gotta claim your set/But I don't bang, y'all, so what can I say?/I'm just a funky rapper from around the way." - "Out on a Furlough" (1991)
Now: Stood right besides Snoop while he told other rappers "Nigga, quit Crip-Walking if ya ain't a gang banger." - "The Streets Re-Twist" (2002)
MC Eiht:
Then: "Me sell dope? Um, sir. I'm a rap singer...Won't go down like the Compton gangbanger." - "One Time Gaffled 'Em Up" (1990)
Now: "All I ever wanted to be was a ridah...gat in my waist, Six-'Fo slider." - "Neighborhood Boyz" (2006)
Above The Law:
Then: "Criminals don't use lyrics and define themselves as notorious." - "Murder Rap" (1990)
Now: They went from just "Livin' Like Hustlers" to calling themselves "Black Mafia Life". Hmmm?
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when dr dre released the chronic im sure it was a metaphor for something
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when dr dre released the chronic im sure it was a metaphor for something
Indeed, but it's not as if he never referenced "endonesia" on record all of a sudden.
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i think its more ironic that you think only west coast rappers contradict themselves
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i think its more ironic that you think only west coast rappers contradict themselves
Did I ever say that? No. I'm simply looking at them for the purpose of this topic.
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when dr dre released the chronic im sure it was a metaphor for something
chronic ment the bomb meaning the the best shit...
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Plus, one has to consider the fact that Dre's rhymes on "Express Yourself" were more than likely ghostwritten, so who knows...There was a 4 year period between that line and "The Chronic" coming out. I wouldn't look too much into it. Everyone contradicts themselves at one point or another, even Dre and all those artists mentioned are human as well.
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Plus, one has to consider the fact that Dre's rhymes on "Express Yourself" were more than likely ghostwritten, so who knows...There was a 4 year period between that line and "The Chronic" coming out. I wouldn't look too much into it. Everyone contradicts themselves at one point or another, even Dre and all those artists mentioned are human as well.
I just think it's kinda funny how most of the West Coast gangstas used to be on some positive shit at the beginning of their careers, and then they just started wrapping themselves up in the gangsta lifestyle.
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I just think it's kinda funny how most of the West Coast gangstas used to be on some positive shit at the beginning of their careers, and then they just started wrapping themselves up in the gangsta lifestyle.
yeah rap changed a lot during the late 80's - early 90's. at first it was all about sending a message, then it switched to say what ever you have to to get people to think your a gangsta.
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yeah rap changed a lot during the late 80's - early 90's. at first it was all about sending a message, then it switched to say what ever you have to to get people to think your a gangsta.
Most def...that's how it was when I was first getting into hip-hop. But it's funny to me how so many of these cats already declared themselves as being non-gangstas on record, and now 15 years later, act like they never said that. It's especially ironic with WC and Eiht, cause they've milked their (supposed) Crip backgrounds to the max on recent albums.
And I know it happens on the East Coast, too. Just look at Tragedy Khadafi...he ain't at all like he used to be when he was in the Juice Crew.
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^^You definitely make some valid points man, you're right about artists starting out positive, then changing their tune. Kinda reflects society in a way, if one wants to think about it like that. Maybe just the nature of the biz.
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Rap is a liers music and 95% of the lyrics aren't reality , if u don't have realize that yet.... :-X
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Rap is a liers music and 95% of the lyrics aren't reality , if u don't have realize that yet.... :-X
depends on what rap you are listening to ;)
i guess mainstream rap is 95% lies.. and prolly also a lot of the west coast rap..
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Rap is a liers music and 95% of the lyrics aren't reality , if u don't have realize that yet.... :-X
depends on what rap you are listening to ;)
i guess mainstream rap is 95% lies.. and prolly also a lot of the west coast rap..
yep of course and as other said, especially in the current era, I listen to lots of rap/hip hop so it's not a critic but imo you just have to be a little mature and being conscious that you ain't a gangsta or a renegade coz you listen to rap.... some peeps who are as old as me , still haven't :grumpy:
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Rap is a liers music and 95% of the lyrics aren't reality , if u don't have realize that yet.... :-X
depends on what rap you are listening to ;)
i guess mainstream rap is 95% lies.. and prolly also a lot of the west coast rap..
yep of course and as other said, especially in the current era, I listen to lots of rap/hip hop so it's not a critic but imo you just have to be a little mature and being conscious that you ain't a gangsta or a renegade coz you listen to rap.... some peeps who are as old as me , still haven't :grumpy:
it's sad :)
i have actually found out that i don't listen to westcoast gangstarap anymore hehe.. i'm so tired of hearing about how gangsta they are and how many times they got shot :P.. i only listen to it when i'm partying, but thats cuz we need some hard beats to drink to. :rock:
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I thought Dre didn't actually smoke in the NWA days, but Snoop and The Pound introduced him to chronic later on.
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Above The Law:
Then: "Criminals don't use lyrics and define themselves as notorious." - "Murder Rap" (1990)
Now: They went from just "Livin' Like Hustlers" to calling themselves "Black Mafia Life". Hmmm?
the name of the group is "above the law".
big hutch's name was "cold 187um".
on "livin' like hustlers" above the law had tracks like "untouchable" and were referring to themselves as killers .
atl immediately started talking "black mafia life" on the vocally pimpin' ep and on n.w.a.'s efil4zaggin.
it's not a contradiction.
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Rap is a liers music and 95% of the lyrics aren't reality , if u don't have realize that yet.... :-X
I realized that a LONG time ago. When other DubCC users are arguing about who's "the realest" West Coast rapper, I'm usually the one who points out that almost none of these so-called "gangstas" are at all what their records would have us believe.
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MC Eiht:
Then: "Me sell dope? Um, sir. I'm a rap singer...Won't go down like the Compton gangbanger." - "One Time Gaffled 'Em Up" (1990)
Now: "All I ever wanted to be was a ridah...gat in my waist, Six-'Fo slider." - "Neighborhood Boyz" (2006)
I think that rhymes was just something he said he would tell the cops if he got pulled over
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Everybody gotta make living
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MC Eiht:
Then: "Me sell dope? Um, sir. I'm a rap singer...Won't go down like the Compton gangbanger." - "One Time Gaffled 'Em Up" (1990)
Now: "All I ever wanted to be was a ridah...gat in my waist, Six-'Fo slider." - "Neighborhood Boyz" (2006)
I think that rhymes was just something he said he would tell the cops if he got pulled over
yea, but he still got a point! snoop is a pretty good example too, he is reppin the crip colors more today than he did when he started.
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MC Eiht:
Then: "Me sell dope? Um, sir. I'm a rap singer...Won't go down like the Compton gangbanger." - "One Time Gaffled 'Em Up" (1990)
Now: "All I ever wanted to be was a ridah...gat in my waist, Six-'Fo slider." - "Neighborhood Boyz" (2006)
I think that rhymes was just something he said he would tell the cops if he got pulled over
Yeah, and we all know the average gangsta rapper today wouldn't even be worried about that in the least...he'd just grab his chopper and start bussin on the cops.
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I think that rhymes was just something he said he would tell the cops if he got pulled over
Yeah, and we all know the average gangsta rapper today wouldn't even be worried about that in the least...he'd just grab his chopper and start bussin on the cops.
well, according to lil c style, lil 1/2 dead would not jump out and start bustin' on the cops.
tupac did shoot a couple cops in the ass, so we know where he stands as well.
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i think "the chronic" was symbolising that it(the cd) is "dope" or something along the lines of that... but i agree it is ironic, but then again 95% rap IS irony.
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You can't really get mad at rappers contradicting themselves in general. Krs-One, 2pac, Outkast, Nas, Scarface, and Ice Cube have contradicted themselves numerous times on wax and they're all regarded as all time greats.
I do find the rappers that get jumped into a gang at age 26 kind of funny. WC is an obvious example, on Low Profile, he said "jack ya, attack ya like a gangbanger, but I don't bang" then he sports blue rags 8 years later is strange. That means he would have had to get jumped in when he's nearing 30.
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It must have been less than 5 years between WC banging and not because isnt that why he was in WSC? or maybe thats why he is now a gangbanger