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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: xGlimpsex on April 17, 2006, 02:41:32 AM
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It's all about the Indies! PWG, ROH, CZW, IWA-MS. Go to www.youtube.com and search those feds. Watch the vids and enjoy.
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they are just the minor leagues kid, they'll let them do anythin in those so they can b spotted for either tna or wwe
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lol
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True. The action and some storylines are much better in some of those feds. Alot of these feds are just spot fests though. No psychology whatsoever.
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True. The action and some storylines are much better in some of those feds. Alot of these feds are just spot fests though. No psychology whatsoever.
Most are because the wrestlers are trying to get noticed but ROH has had it's share of great matches. The CM Punk vs Joe matches were as good if not better than anything the WWE has produced in a very long time. And the Joe vs Kobashi match astounding.
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Glad to see others dig it. Not an ignorant comment. Certain feds shit on WWE, and TNA.
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Glad to see others dig it. Not an ignorant comment. Certain feds shit on WWE, and TNA.
TNA is just getting started asa serious proimotion and if you watch the PPVs there is no way you can say anyone shits on them. The TNA PPVs may not be the best ever but they are good enough to not be shit on. And for the record, Noah is where it's at.
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True. The action and some storylines are much better in some of those feds. Alot of these feds are just spot fests though. No psychology whatsoever.
Most are because the wrestlers are trying to get noticed but ROH has had it's share of great matches. The CM Punk vs Joe matches were as good if not better than anything the WWE has produced in a very long time. And the Joe vs Kobashi match astounding.
Oh definitely. There's great talent out there, I'm not denying that. That's why the WWE seeks them and eventually ruins the majority of their careers. CM Punk and Samoa Joe are both great.
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Glad to see others dig it. Not an ignorant comment. Certain feds shit on WWE, and TNA.
TNA is just getting started asa serious proimotion and if you watch the PPVs there is no way you can say anyone shits on them. The TNA PPVs may not be the best ever but they are good enough to not be shit on. And for the record, Noah is where it's at.
We both have our opinions. Watch an ROH show and drop thoughts.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbzdK7uSXqE
PWG - Kevin Steen vs. Super Dragon music video
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I've been watching ROH for a very long time. I love it aand as a whole think the wrestling is better than TNA. I just don't think it shits on TNA. Joe vs Styles vs Daniels is just as good as 99% of the best ROH matches. Remember that there are quite a few ex-ROH guys at TNA.
True. The action and some storylines are much better in some of those feds. Alot of these feds are just spot fests though. No psychology whatsoever.
Most are because the wrestlers are trying to get noticed but ROH has had it's share of great matches. The CM Punk vs Joe matches were as good if not better than anything the WWE has produced in a very long time. And the Joe vs Kobashi match astounding.
Oh definitely. There's great talent out there, I'm not denying that. That's why the WWE seeks them and eventually ruins the majority of their careers. CM Punk and Samoa Joe are both great.
It's just a shame WWE doesn't focus more in actual wrestling. Only the established names get to work real matches, and most of the indy guys need real matches to become estalished. If Samoa Joe took the WWE contract I bet he would have been the character Jamal is playing right now and that would have been terrible for wrestling fans everywhere. I think CM Pink only signed because he was a big fan of WWE and dreams of being at Mania one day. If TNA keeps getting better and Punk ends up at Mania in some goofball angle I could see him jumping over and finishing his feud with Joe at TNA. I hope so anyway. Unless they end up giving Punk his just due at WWE, then I'll be fine with that too.
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Now that Joe is with TNA and had matches with guys like AJ Styles, his buzz is bigger than ever. If he signed with WWE, he would be somewhere in Ohio for a few years until they decide to put him in a thong so he can ram people's face with his ass.
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I just prefer some Indy feds over the mainstream shit. 0The 3-way in TNA was good, but TNA doesn't really have a match like that at every show.
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I just prefer some Indy feds over the mainstream shit. 0The 3-way in TNA was good, but TNA doesn't really have a match like that at every show.
Yeah but the PPVs are filled with enough good matches to make them worth the money. Joe vs Daniels last Thursday on TV was another great match.
Do you ever watch Noah?
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I just prefer some Indy feds over the mainstream shit. 0The 3-way in TNA was good, but TNA doesn't really have a match like that at every show.
Yeah but the PPVs are filled with enough good matches to make them worth the money. Joe vs Daniels last Thursday on TV was another great match.
Do you ever watch Noah?
I only got 2-3 vids. That 7/10/04 Dome show is piff.
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I just prefer some Indy feds over the mainstream shit. 0The 3-way in TNA was good, but TNA doesn't really have a match like that at every show.
Yeah but the PPVs are filled with enough good matches to make them worth the money. Joe vs Daniels last Thursday on TV was another great match.
Do you ever watch Noah?
I only got 2-3 vids. That 7/10/04 Dome show is piff.
I don't know what piff means, but last year's Kobashi vs Kawada was a war of gladiators. And KENTA vs Marifuji is always Gold.
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lol. Piff = fire. A Dipset/Diplomats slang. But yea, I just heard about KENTA and saw a match he had with osme dude (forgot who.) Is his finisher the "Go 2 SLeep"?
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lol. Piff = fire. A Dipset/Diplomats slang. But yea, I just heard about KENTA and saw a match he had with osme dude (forgot who.) Is his finisher the "Go 2 SLeep"?
The Japanese wrestlers don't have finishers for the most part. It's a completely different style over there. They use the same logic boxing uses, in that a good right cross may mean nothing in round 1 but if a punch of the same calibre comes in round 11 it could finish the fight. A lot of Japanese matches you'll see will end in moves you've seen the guy do numerous times in the match but because of how well the wrestler worked the head or shoulder or whatever during the match the same move is more deadly. A arm bar could be nothing more than a small wear down move in the first 5 minutes but doing the same arm bar 5 or 6 times during a 35 minute match and working the shoulder and elbow properly will get a guy to tap. As opposed to the North American style where something like a chin music, FU, or RKO teorhectically shouldn't hurt more than any other kick, slam, or suplex, but because they are the "special" move they seem to hurt more in some magical way. It makes for good entertainment. I just prefer the japanese style. Something promotions like ROH have embraced in a lot of ways. Up here in canada we get ROH once or twice a week on TV.
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lol. Piff = fire. A Dipset/Diplomats slang. But yea, I just heard about KENTA and saw a match he had with osme dude (forgot who.) Is his finisher the "Go 2 SLeep"?
The Japanese wrestlers don't have finishers for the most part. It's a completely different style over there. They use the same logic boxing uses, in that a good right cross may mean nothing in round 1 but if a punch of the same calibre comes in round 11 it could finish the fight. A lot of Japanese matches you'll see will end in moves you've seen the guy do numerous times in the match but because of how well the wrestler worked the head or shoulder or whatever during the match the same move is more deadly. A arm bar could be nothing more than a small wear down move in the first 5 minutes but doing the same arm bar 5 or 6 times during a 35 minute match and working the shoulder and elbow properly will get a guy to tap. As opposed to the North American style where something like a chin music, FU, or RKO teorhectically shouldn't hurt more than any other kick, slam, or suplex, but because they are the "special" move they seem to hurt more in some magical way. It makes for good entertainment. I just prefer the japanese style. Something promotions like ROH have embraced in a lot of ways. Up here in canada we get ROH once or twice a week on TV.
Yea, I know. Puroresu is what it's called.
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lol. Piff = fire. A Dipset/Diplomats slang. But yea, I just heard about KENTA and saw a match he had with osme dude (forgot who.) Is his finisher the "Go 2 SLeep"?
The Japanese wrestlers don't have finishers for the most part. It's a completely different style over there. They use the same logic boxing uses, in that a good right cross may mean nothing in round 1 but if a punch of the same calibre comes in round 11 it could finish the fight. A lot of Japanese matches you'll see will end in moves you've seen the guy do numerous times in the match but because of how well the wrestler worked the head or shoulder or whatever during the match the same move is more deadly. A arm bar could be nothing more than a small wear down move in the first 5 minutes but doing the same arm bar 5 or 6 times during a 35 minute match and working the shoulder and elbow properly will get a guy to tap. As opposed to the North American style where something like a chin music, FU, or RKO teorhectically shouldn't hurt more than any other kick, slam, or suplex, but because they are the "special" move they seem to hurt more in some magical way. It makes for good entertainment. I just prefer the japanese style. Something promotions like ROH have embraced in a lot of ways. Up here in canada we get ROH once or twice a week on TV.
Yea, I know. Puroresu is what it's called.
I know. Just making sure. Plus saying puro confuses some American fans.
Since we're on the subject of Japanese wrestling names; Joshi is better than most of the mainstream North American male wrestling.
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lol. Piff = fire. A Dipset/Diplomats slang. But yea, I just heard about KENTA and saw a match he had with osme dude (forgot who.) Is his finisher the "Go 2 SLeep"?
The Japanese wrestlers don't have finishers for the most part. It's a completely different style over there. They use the same logic boxing uses, in that a good right cross may mean nothing in round 1 but if a punch of the same calibre comes in round 11 it could finish the fight. A lot of Japanese matches you'll see will end in moves you've seen the guy do numerous times in the match but because of how well the wrestler worked the head or shoulder or whatever during the match the same move is more deadly. A arm bar could be nothing more than a small wear down move in the first 5 minutes but doing the same arm bar 5 or 6 times during a 35 minute match and working the shoulder and elbow properly will get a guy to tap. As opposed to the North American style where something like a chin music, FU, or RKO teorhectically shouldn't hurt more than any other kick, slam, or suplex, but because they are the "special" move they seem to hurt more in some magical way. It makes for good entertainment. I just prefer the japanese style. Something promotions like ROH have embraced in a lot of ways. Up here in canada we get ROH once or twice a week on TV.
Yea, I know. Puroresu is what it's called.
I know. Just making sure. Plus saying puro confuses some American fans.
Since we're on the subject of Japanese wrestling names; Joshi is better than most of the mainstream North American male wrestling.
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oh god... ya all take this to the extreme. I enjoy a good match, with great psychology, but man.
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lol. Piff = fire. A Dipset/Diplomats slang. But yea, I just heard about KENTA and saw a match he had with osme dude (forgot who.) Is his finisher the "Go 2 SLeep"?
The Japanese wrestlers don't have finishers for the most part. It's a completely different style over there. They use the same logic boxing uses, in that a good right cross may mean nothing in round 1 but if a punch of the same calibre comes in round 11 it could finish the fight. A lot of Japanese matches you'll see will end in moves you've seen the guy do numerous times in the match but because of how well the wrestler worked the head or shoulder or whatever during the match the same move is more deadly. A arm bar could be nothing more than a small wear down move in the first 5 minutes but doing the same arm bar 5 or 6 times during a 35 minute match and working the shoulder and elbow properly will get a guy to tap. As opposed to the North American style where something like a chin music, FU, or RKO teorhectically shouldn't hurt more than any other kick, slam, or suplex, but because they are the "special" move they seem to hurt more in some magical way. It makes for good entertainment. I just prefer the japanese style. Something promotions like ROH have embraced in a lot of ways. Up here in canada we get ROH once or twice a week on TV.
Yea, I know. Puroresu is what it's called.
I know. Just making sure. Plus saying puro confuses some American fans.
Since we're on the subject of Japanese wrestling names; Joshi is better than most of the mainstream North American male wrestling.
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oh god... ya all take this to the extreme. I enjoy a good match, with great psychology, but man.
You mean we are to into wrestling, or we are overhyping Japanese wrestling?
If a) then I really don't watch too much right now. I used to be really into it and most of my knowledge comes from memory. If b) then it's a matter of taste. The style of wrestling I prefer is a lot better in Japan as a whole than it is in the WWE.
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Never seen anything form Joshi, but I heard a lot of good things about that fed.
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lol. Piff = fire. A Dipset/Diplomats slang. But yea, I just heard about KENTA and saw a match he had with osme dude (forgot who.) Is his finisher the "Go 2 SLeep"?
The Japanese wrestlers don't have finishers for the most part. It's a completely different style over there. They use the same logic boxing uses, in that a good right cross may mean nothing in round 1 but if a punch of the same calibre comes in round 11 it could finish the fight. A lot of Japanese matches you'll see will end in moves you've seen the guy do numerous times in the match but because of how well the wrestler worked the head or shoulder or whatever during the match the same move is more deadly. A arm bar could be nothing more than a small wear down move in the first 5 minutes but doing the same arm bar 5 or 6 times during a 35 minute match and working the shoulder and elbow properly will get a guy to tap. As opposed to the North American style where something like a chin music, FU, or RKO teorhectically shouldn't hurt more than any other kick, slam, or suplex, but because they are the "special" move they seem to hurt more in some magical way. It makes for good entertainment. I just prefer the japanese style. Something promotions like ROH have embraced in a lot of ways. Up here in canada we get ROH once or twice a week on TV.
Yea, I know. Puroresu is what it's called.
I know. Just making sure. Plus saying puro confuses some American fans.
Since we're on the subject of Japanese wrestling names; Joshi is better than most of the mainstream North American male wrestling.
:grumpy:
oh god... ya all take this to the extreme. I enjoy a good match, with great psychology, but man.
You mean we are to into wrestling, or we are overhyping Japanese wrestling?
If a) then I really don't watch too much right now. I used to be really into it and most of my knowledge comes from memory. If b) then it's a matter of taste. The style of wrestling I prefer is a lot better in Japan as a whole than it is in the WWE.
I guess I mean more a) I don't think Japan is over hyped, but the trouble to get some tapes, and follow Japan is more than it's worth to me, especially when I can just turn on Smackdown on Friday nights, or set my VCR when my girl and I go out, and watch it on my time. My personal favorite wrestler was RVD though, not RVD now, because I like RVD now, but he isn't half the wrestler he was on ECW, when he and Jerry Lynn had classic match after classic match.
Also, with American finishers, true great wrestlers know how to build up to their special moves, so that it is believable that it will put you out. Like Flair would spend 20 minutes killing your leg until he even attempted the Figure 4, Hogan would slam you to hell so that a simple leg drop was more like icing on the cake rather than awhat knocked you out, Bret Hart would go the Flair route, just he'd finish you with a Sharp Shooter, and Eddie Guerreo would break down a body part until he was able to hit the frog splash. A good wrestler would make the whole match lead up to the finish. Or maybe you'd like a usual Rock vs. Austin match, about 3 Rock Bottoms until the 4th Stunner pins the Rock. Or in Wrestlemania X-7, about 20 chair shots.
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My personal favorite wrestler was RVD though, not RVD now, because I like RVD now, but he isn't half the wrestler he was on ECW, when he and Jerry Lynn had classic match after classic match.
I feel ya man. Back in ECW, his matches were amazing. His last good one was his first match with Jeff Hardy during that whole Invasion failure. Since then, they dumbed his style down so cats like John Cena can keep up with him.
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i dont know if the jeff hardy one was his last good match...i think it was his matches w/ eddie guerrero his last real great ones...
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WOW!
I just peed a match with that Super Dragon in. Wow what a match it was.
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WOW!
I just peed a match with that Super Dragon in. Wow what a match it was.
peed or peeped?
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WOW!
I just peed a match with that Super Dragon in. Wow what a match it was.
peed or peeped?
It's okay, he's having flashbacks of Culkin...