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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: Diabolical on April 21, 2006, 06:12:24 PM
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With the 70 virgins or whatever, discuss.
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With the 70 virgins or whatever, discuss.
youre wrong....discuss that
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With the 70 virgins or whatever, discuss.
Are people on this board obsessed with railing on Islam, and (in the case of Real American Bigot) closet Islamophobes? Discuss.
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With the 70 virgins or whatever, discuss.
youre wrong....discuss that
LMAO
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With the 70 virgins or whatever, discuss.
Are people on this board obsessed with railing on Islam, and (in the case of Real American Bigot) closet IslamoInfiniteophobes? Discuss.
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yeah, i dont understand why all the virgins are supposedly waiting for them
could someone please explain it to me?
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shit i wasn't aware of the 70 virgins, if that's true ill turn my faith to allah 8)
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yea all u gotta do is commit suicide n kill a load of civilians in the process
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yea all u gotta do is commit suicide n kill a load of civilians in the process
it ain't that easy muthafucka.they gotta be jews.
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LOL. No, I don't think they're obsessed with Sex, didn't Overseer just post something the other day where the Middle East had the worst sex life in the world?
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yeah, fuck that shit, i was joking, fuck being a muslim, i aint dumb enough to convert to dat shit, i can get a great spirituality without making myself a slave to a god that probably dont exist
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i can get a great spirituality without making myself a slave to a god that probably dont exist
real shit
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but i will tell yall something, i admire how some of these muslims think and speak about their religion, i think they speak real shit, but it's the way they act that makes me think their religion is fucked up. Wise men know that words are way more dangerous than gunz. So i'm always aware of that shit.
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but i will tell yall something, i admire how some of these muslims think and speak about their religion, i think they speak real shit, but it's the way they act that makes me think their religion is fucked up. Wise men know that words are way more dangerous than gunz. So i'm always aware of that shit.
i can fukks with this
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LOL. No, I don't think they're obsessed with Sex, didn't Overseer just post something the other day where the Middle East had the worst sex life in the world?
nah that was the japanese....
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With the 70 virgins or whatever, discuss.
it's actually 72 wives, and that idea is not in the qu'ran, it's found in hadith. hadith represents commentary and interpretation of the qu'ran attributed to the prophet muhammad himself, or those immediately around him.
one thing you should appreciate is that the qu'ran acknowledges directly that much of it is allegoric, that god uses allegory to communicate with people.
sura 2:26-27
(khalifah) GOD does not shy away from citing any kind of allegory,* from the tiny mosquito and greater. As for those who believe, they know that it is the truth from their Lord. As for those who disbelieve, they say, "What did GOD mean by such an allegory?" He misleads many thereby, and guides many thereby. But He never misleads thereby except the wicked, who violate GOD's covenant after pledging to uphold it, sever what GOD has commanded to be joined, and commit evil. These are the losers.
(sher ali) ALLAH disdains not to give an illustration - as small as a gnat or even smaller. Those who believe know that it is the truth from their Lord, while those who disbelieve say, `What does ALLAH mean by such an illustration ?' Many does HE adjudge by it to be in error and many by it does HE guide, and none does HE adjudge thereby to be in error except the disobedient, Who breaks the covenant of ALLAH after having established it, and cut asunder what ALLAH has bidden to be joined, and create disorder in the earth; it is these that are the losers.
ironically, in that same verse the qu'ran suggests some people will distort these metaphors to justify their own agendas.
as for the "72 wives" specifically, it's not in the qu'ran, it is in hadith. the qu'ran mentions in several places that in heaven people will have pure chaste partners to enjoy heaven with. thus all of the 72 wives would be chaste. this seems to have developed from commentary on sura 55:72 (about the benefits of heaven):
sura 55:72
Fair maidens with lovely black eyes, guarded in pavilions
apparently in sunan al-tirmidhi (vol iv, chapt 21 hadith 2687 it states:
"The Prophet Muhammad was heard saying: 'The smallest reward for the people of paradise is an abode where there are 80,000 servants and 72 wives, over which stands a dome decorated with pearls, aquamarine, and ruby, as wide as the distance from Al-Jabiyyah to Sana'a."
thus, it's hearsay. "the prophet muhammad was heard saying"...
additionally, it's allegoric, along the lines of heaven is what you wish it to be. heaven is greater than what you would imagine...etc. the western media has largely twisted this to suggest an obsession with sex; however 72 wives, 80,000 servants and a huge dome decorated with jewels is actually a message of great and enormous wealth in heaven. every man would have his own kingdom. it's only where in the west where they strip out the jewels and servants, and key in on the fact that the qu'ran states people will have chaste partners, are they able to portray an image of wealth into an image of sexual debauchery.
i suspect that the amount 72, may be related to the verse number (72) but this i cannot yet prove.
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"Real" and "Wise" Muslims don't bomb people, it's only impressionable teens, just like the ones who buy a DPG cd and come here pretneding to be a Crip.
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72 wives aye ? maybe i am in the wrong religion...
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72 wives aye ? maybe i am in the wrong religion...
same god, same rewards...according to the qu'ran the true believers among the jews and sabians, and also the true believers among the christians (those that reject the trinity theory) are also going to recieve the same benefits in heaven. so the qu'ran promises blessings even for those true believers outside of "islam" (as a religion and not a principle).
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72 wives aye ? maybe i am in the wrong religion...
same god, same rewards...according to the qu'ran the true believers among the jews and sabians, and also the true believers among the christians (those that reject the trinity theory) are also going to recieve the same benefits in heaven. so the qu'ran promises blessings even for those true believers outside of "islam" (as a religion and not a principle).
to be completely honest with you, i would prefer my girl over 72 virgins. i'll take the trinity and my lady over your bullshit any day.
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to be completely honest with you, i would prefer my girl over 72 virgins. i'll take the trinity and my lady over your bullshit any day.
choose what you want; i'm simply relaying what it says.
furthermore, i disagree with your premise. i don't think the purpose of religion is to sacrifice for the sake of greater reward as you seem to suggest. it's not a tradeoff, it's attaining a level of enlightenment; which includes genuine appreciation for this world and those in it. much of that is lost when one focuses on trying to quantify the rewards; as is being done here.
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^ whatever man, i just cant believe people can follow such a bullshit ass religion.
and maybe we were brought up different (myself to islam born children), but i still cant understand how islam can possibly be followed, its so out of whack its not even amusing. i just dont get it.
do you find christianity/catholics just as out of whack ?
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72 wives aye ? maybe i am in the wrong religion...
72 loaded credit cards u gotta pay for
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You don't need a religion to feel enlightened.
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^ whatever man, i just cant believe people can follow such a bullshit ass religion.
and maybe we were brought up different (myself to islam born children), but i still cant understand how islam can possibly be followed, its so out of whack its not even amusing. i just dont get it.
do you find christianity/catholics just as out of whack ?
its cuz youre terrycloth
meaning u very soft
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^ ha ! i dont see how not understanding islam makes me soft..
tech, do you find christianity to be awkward and bizarre in it's beliefs ?
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72 wives aye ? maybe i am in the wrong religion...
72 loaded credit cards u gotta pay for
LOL
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Moslems are SAINTS.
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tech, do you find christianity to be awkward and bizarre in it's beliefs ?
what does it mean to be awkrawd and bizzare? this is a matter of opinion, it is subjective.
Yes i find certain aspects of it bizarre. i find certain aspects of Islam bizaarre too.
I have no beef with christianity. I see much good in it. Ive seen too many good christains to hate on it.
But its not the faith for me. It leaves me with more questions than answers. I dont feel it to be a complete understanding of what our purpose is in this world.
I dont practice islam perfectly, and personally, there are aspects of Islam I am more down with than others, but I find peace in it. I find purpose. I know in my heart its the truth.
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^ thats fair enough.
i goto apologise to the muslim peeps on this board for my bullshit. i was waaay out of line.
i'm not even huge on religion, i dont know why i decided to bash islam as much as i did.
me, i was born into a catholic family, but i dont wear a crucifix to proclaim my religion, i wear it because i think it's a sign of respect towards the greatest man that ever lived. if everyone strived to be like Jesus, it is sure the world would be a better place.
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I'm growing my hair out, right now its all nappy and tangly but in a few months i'll be at christ status. plus i bet jesus smoked alotta weed too since it wasnt illegal back then, so me n him are pretty much the same dude im just the 06 whiteboy version. plus i'll gun down your daughter in the street if we got beef
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With the 70 virgins or whatever, discuss.
youre wrong....discuss that
yea u should have even brought it up
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I'm growing my hair out, right now its all nappy and tangly but in a few months i'll be at christ status. plus i bet jesus smoked alotta weed too since it wasnt illegal back then, so me n him are pretty much the same dude im just the 06 whiteboy version. plus i'll gun down your daughter in the street if we got beef
i got the jesus look down pat. thin line beard, hair almost shoulder length...brown skinned 8)
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yeah, i dont understand why all the virgins are supposedly waiting for them
could someone please explain it to me?
yea especially showing up after u suicide bomb somebody! BURN IN HELL ASSHOLES! (not all muslims)
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With the 70 virgins or whatever, discuss.
youre wrong....discuss that
yea u should have even brought it up
Yeah whatch gonna do about it?