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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: Suffice on April 24, 2006, 08:59:42 PM
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Each year April 24 commemorates the genocide of close to 1.5 million Armenians in Ottoman Turkey (much of it historical Armenian lands). April 24, 1915 was the day when thousands of intellectuals, prominent men, and wealthy Armenians were rounded up and executed all accross Turkey by the orders of the government. What followed was a forced evacuation of all Armenians from their homeland - a process in which more than a million perished by starvation, exhaustion, and massacres. Let us remember the Genocide and pay respect to those innocent people who were ruthlessly killed. A large portion of my ancestry was killed in the Genocide, so this directly affects me, but every person should be concerned with the Armenian genocide because it is a historical fact that is being denied to this day the Turkish government and is not recognized by the United States as a genocide
Read more @ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_genocide
Rest in Peace to all my great grandfathers and great grandmothers who had to suffer through this tragedy
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what the fuck are you serious? why did they do that to them?
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what the fuck are you serious? why did they do that to them?
Maybe they were afraid Armenia would revolt and break free like Greece. Around that time a lot of Greeks were killed too, but most Greeks in Turkey were cast out and forced back into the land Greece had taken back, I think in hopes of overpopulating the country then taking it back. Those Ottomans were crazy.
It used to be called the Armenian Holocaust, but I guess the Armenian presence in wotld powers isn't as strong as the Jewish oneand we wouldn't want to confuse the two.
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that sucks
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Yeah its very tragic. My grandmother who died a few years ago used to tell me about how she affected by the genocide even though she was very young because many of our family were lost too. It's one of the most gruesome and tragic events in history that is ignored by most people. The fact that the Turkish government and the uS won't acknowledge it is just sickening. I guess our ancestors just vanished off the face of the earth.
The turn out at the Turkish Consulate was pretty good from what I heard. I know parts of the valley was almost dead since everybody closed down.
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Why won't the US acknowledge it?
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Why won't the US acknowledge it?
man the US barely acknowledges what they did to the Indians let alone what happened to the Armenians, they're solution to the problem is to give them some shitty land back.
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Why won't the US acknowledge it?
Politics. The US has bases on Turkish soil and they don't want to ruin their relationship with them. Bush will make a statement saying what happened to the Armenians was horrible, but they won't ever acknowledge that it was a genocide, just a broad statement.
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Why won't the US acknowledge it?
The U.S. has ties with Turkey, much stronger ties than it does with Armenia. Number one, the U.S. has military bases in Turkey. Number 2, Turkey is one of the few Middle Eastern nations that cooperates with the U.S.
Why Turkey won't recognize it? because they're afraid that some people would ask for monetary reparations or giving lands back. I don't even care about reparations, i just want recognition. The fact is, Turkey won't join the European union because every country in the E.U. has to approve, and last time they voted on it, Austria declided Turkey's entry because of the denial of the Genocide
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Why won't the US acknowledge it?
The U.S. has ties with Turkey, much stronger ties than it does with Armenia. Number one, the U.S. has military bases in Turkey. Number 2, Turkey is one of the few Middle Eastern nations that cooperates with the U.S.
Why Turkey won't recognize it? because they're afraid that some people would ask for monetary reparations or giving lands back. I don't even care about reparations, i just want recognition. The fact is, Turkey won't join the European union because every country in the E.U. has to approve, and last time they voted on it, Austria declided Turkey's entry because of the denial of the Genocide
Good, don't acknowledge the genocide don't join the powers.
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My Turkish friend told me that it was the Ottomans who accepted the Armenians into their territory after they were run out of Russia. Then, some generations later the Armenians stabbed the Ottomans in the back by collaborating with Russia and trying to sabatoge the Ottoman Empire. So the Ottoman Chaliph decided that the Armenians should have to go back to the Russians and many died along the way.
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My Turkish friend told me that it was the Ottomans who accepted the Armenians into their territory after they were run out of Russia. Then, some generations later the Armenians stabbed the Ottomans in the back by collaborating with Russia and trying to sabatoge the Ottoman Empire. So the Ottoman Chaliph decided that the Armenians should have to go back to the Russians and many died along the way.
Modern day Eastern Turkey was historically Western Armenia until the Turks conquered it in the 18th century. Armenians lived within their historical homeland in relative peace with the Turks until WWI. Turks never "accepted" Armenians into their territory because Armenians were already there, it was their land. The thing with Russia is complicated... The Russian Empire in the 1820's fought a war with Turkey and claimed some of the land (which is now the Republic of Armenia) and made it into Russian Empire's Armenian Province. If Russia hadn't done that, the Ottomans would have probably succeeded in killing all of the Armenians. The thing is, Turks are taught lies in their schools, and most of them don't deny the Genocide out of malice ,but because they're misinformed by their goverment and their teachers. Most Turks i've met here at UCSB hardly know anything about the Genocide, their government is trying to wipe it out of history
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That's an interesting perspective. If the Turks wanted to send the Armenians to Russia, they didn't have to escort them on brutal death marches towards the Syrian deserts, south of Russia, raping my ancestors' women and starving them on the way there.
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Yo man, I was just saying what my friend said about it, I don't know much about the subject. One thing I do know was that I saw a documentary on PBS about the genocide and at the end of the program I looked at the names of the writer, producer and director and they were all 3 Jewish names. Jews have a stake in making the Ottoman Empire look bad because the Ottoman Empire was the one thing that stood in their way for 400 years and kept them from harming the Palestinians and stealing their land. Once the Ottoman Empire was out of the picture, it wasn't long before the Jews began occupying Palestine and renamed it Isreal.
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^^your a dispicable man, you have no moral values, islam worped your mind. you can't just acknowdge muslims have done some fucked up shit there no armanian genocide, there no genocide in dalfour etc. but then all u go on about is how fucked up the west is. why don't u just show some fucking judgement and acknowledge muslims can be nasty people too.
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^^your a dispicable man, you have no moral values, islam worped your mind. you can't just acknowdge muslims have done some fucked up shit there no armanian genocide, there no genocide in dalfour etc. but then all u go on about is how fucked up the west is. why don't u just show some fucking judgement and acknowledge muslims can be nasty people too.
You and I are different, I don't believe everything I see and everything I read. I have to read more to understand the Armenian genocide. It's not enough to just say the Turks killed some Armenians. We have to investigate what the Armenians did to provoke such treatment (if infact it did occur at the magnitude of a genocide), we have to look at this event from all angles. All groups don't have fair access to the media, so we can't automatically accept whatever we are given in the media. Let's hear all sides.
...and what are you talking about Darfour genocide? You ever heard of the Civil War in America? What happened in that Civil War is that certain states started steppin up and wanted to secede from the Union. So what happened? Lincoln killed all of them, it was the bloodiest war in American history, he killed all of them to "perserve the Union". Infact, they weren't even fighting, they just wanted Independance.
So now you have a situation in Darfour, where Western powers are arming minority groups in Sudan and encouraging them to rebel against the government, they are actively fighting, which gives the Sudanese government even more justification than Lincoln had during his civil war. So the Sudanese government, like any government has tried to supress that. And there is no Arab vs. Black issue, cause if you look at the Sudanese people they would all be considered black by American standards.
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does America even recognize that the turkish goverment to this day are still murdering people from Kurdistan for no reason? or that it´s been illegal for kurds to speak their own language until recently(it may still be illegal). if America got so much against terror states they should´ve gone to war with Turkey many years ago.....
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last year in history class I mentioned this and the turkish homie caught mad feelings and claimed it never happened and shit, the 30 remaining minutes of the lesson were dedicated to an emotional discussion, lol
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My country's legislature had a moment of silence, I'm glad it has been recognized.
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fuck the ottamon empire
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^^your a dispicable man, you have no moral values, islam worped your mind. you can't just acknowdge muslims have done some fucked up shit there no armanian genocide, there no genocide in dalfour etc. but then all u go on about is how fucked up the west is. why don't u just show some fucking judgement and acknowledge muslims can be nasty people too.
You and I are different, I don't believe everything I see and everything I read. I have to read more to understand the Armenian genocide. It's not enough to just say the Turks killed some Armenians. We have to investigate what the Armenians did to provoke such treatment (if infact it did occur at the magnitude of a genocide), we have to look at this event from all angles. All groups don't have fair access to the media, so we can't automatically accept whatever we are given in the media. Let's hear all sides.
Are you serious? 1.5 million isn't just "some" Armenians, man. What could a people possibly do to deserve to go through an attempted extermination? Just listen to your form of reasoning, it's horrible.
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^^your a dispicable man, you have no moral values, islam worped your mind. you can't just acknowdge muslims have done some fucked up shit there no armanian genocide, there no genocide in dalfour etc. but then all u go on about is how fucked up the west is. why don't u just show some fucking judgement and acknowledge muslims can be nasty people too.
You and I are different, I don't believe everything I see and everything I read. I have to read more to understand the Armenian genocide. It's not enough to just say the Turks killed some Armenians. We have to investigate what the Armenians did to provoke such treatment (if infact it did occur at the magnitude of a genocide), we have to look at this event from all angles. All groups don't have fair access to the media, so we can't automatically accept whatever we are given in the media. Let's hear all sides.
...and what are you talking about Darfour genocide? You ever heard of the Civil War in America? What happened in that Civil War is that certain states started steppin up and wanted to secede from the Union. So what happened? Lincoln killed all of them, it was the bloodiest war in American history, he killed all of them to "perserve the Union". Infact, they weren't even fighting, they just wanted Independance.
So now you have a situation in Darfour, where Western powers are arming minority groups in Sudan and encouraging them to rebel against the government, they are actively fighting, which gives the Sudanese government even more justification than Lincoln had during his civil war. So the Sudanese government, like any government has tried to supress that. And there is no Arab vs. Black issue, cause if you look at the Sudanese people they would all be considered black by American standards.
You're right, but you're also transparent. You never seem to bring up these questions when it is a Muslim country as the victim. Maybe Armenia did screw Turkey over, but it seems less likely since it's hard to screw over a country that had taken you over for 400 years. Russia had a war with Turkey in the early 1800s and Russia took over eatern Armenia. If the people in Ottoman Armenia later decided to join their former coutrymen in Russia, which was Orthodox Christian like Armenia, then it's hardly a stab in the back.
Why don't you ever question whether the Jews really did deserve Israel back since it was their land so many years ago?
(It's a rhetorical question, and stop hitting the diss button every chance you get. You're like a little kid. You ignore my posts because you can't win any debate and then you sit and diss me every time you log on.)
Can anyone help get me back up to 40? I really like that number.
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What could a people possibly do to deserve to go through an attempted extermination?
They didn't submit to the will of Allah. They deserved what they got. How dare they not massively convert. Turkey made it very clear over the 400 years that if you want to stop being slaves and second class citizens you just have to convert.
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the Turkish are backwards ass people, never liked em, lets take it back to the old days when the greeks and persians would just stomp their way through them to reach eachother.
oh yeah btw, if you live in LA then you would probably notice all those armo flags on the cars and stuff, its all good, i pump my fist in the air and show love cause they're our armenian brothers, lol
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the Turkish are backwards ass people, never liked em, lets take it back to the old days when the greeks and persians would just stomp their way through them to reach eachother.
oh yeah btw, if you live in LA then you would probably notice all those armo flags on the cars and stuff, its all good, i pump my fist in the air and show love cause they're our armenian brothers, lol
oh do shut up now. the persians have been good for nothing for 2000 years
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the Turkish are backwards ass people, never liked em, lets take it back to the old days when the greeks and persians would just stomp their way through them to reach eachother.
oh yeah btw, if you live in LA then you would probably notice all those armo flags on the cars and stuff, its all good, i pump my fist in the air and show love cause they're our armenian brothers, lol
oh do shut up now. the persians have been good for nothing for 2000 years
no you shut up now, atleast we havent been bending over and taking it in the ass for the last 2000 years
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come come now
persians are world reknowned for their anal services
true story
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the Turkish are backwards ass people, never liked em, lets take it back to the old days when the greeks and persians would just stomp their way through them to reach eachother.
oh yeah btw, if you live in LA then you would probably notice all those armo flags on the cars and stuff, its all good, i pump my fist in the air and show love cause they're our armenian brothers, lol
Racist!! why dont u come over to turkey and talk your shit tough guy? feeling secure over your msg board?
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Each year April 24 commemorates the genocide of close to 1.5 million Armenians in Ottoman Turkey (much of it historical Armenian lands). April 24, 1915 was the day when thousands of intellectuals, prominent men, and wealthy Armenians were rounded up and executed all accross Turkey by the orders of the government. What followed was a forced evacuation of all Armenians from their homeland - a process in which more than a million perished by starvation, exhaustion, and massacres. Let us remember the Genocide and pay respect to those innocent people who were ruthlessly killed. A large portion of my ancestry was killed in the Genocide, so this directly affects me, but every person should be concerned with the Armenian genocide because it is a historical fact that is being denied to this day the Turkish government and is not recognized by the United States as a genocide
Read more @ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_genocide
Rest in Peace to all my great grandfathers and great grandmothers who had to suffer through this tragedy
nope our government wont accept it, just the way we'll never give up cyprus and let the kurds give up their own land. i am for the recognition, but obviously it'll take a while to accept that, if that will even happen.
by the way sorry to hear what happend to your family.
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Why won't the US acknowledge it?
The U.S. has ties with Turkey, much stronger ties than it does with Armenia. Number one, the U.S. has military bases in Turkey. Number 2, Turkey is one of the few Middle Eastern nations that cooperates with the U.S.
Why Turkey won't recognize it? because they're afraid that some people would ask for monetary reparations or giving lands back. I don't even care about reparations, i just want recognition. The fact is, Turkey won't join the European union because every country in the E.U. has to approve, and last time they voted on it, Austria declided Turkey's entry because of the denial of the Genocide
was it really cause we deny the genocide or is it cause attempted to invade vienna twice......i have serious doubts about that. thats an excuse they use to reject us.
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does America even recognize that the turkish goverment to this day are still murdering people from Kurdistan for no reason? or that it´s been illegal for kurds to speak their own language until recently(it may still be illegal). if America got so much against terror states they should´ve gone to war with Turkey many years ago.....
and why dont u mention that they plant bombs in touristic areas. and to inform u, the kurdish millitants, known as the PKK are TERRORISTS, the US government brands them as terrorists so why would they go to war with us??
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are you in turkey?
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Why won't the US acknowledge it?
The U.S. has ties with Turkey, much stronger ties than it does with Armenia. Number one, the U.S. has military bases in Turkey. Number 2, Turkey is one of the few Middle Eastern nations that cooperates with the U.S.
Why Turkey won't recognize it? because they're afraid that some people would ask for monetary reparations or giving lands back. I don't even care about reparations, i just want recognition. The fact is, Turkey won't join the European union because every country in the E.U. has to approve, and last time they voted on it, Austria declided Turkey's entry because of the denial of the Genocide
NOW EVERYBODY LISTEN TO ME!!!
Armanian Genocide!!! Is An EMPERIALIST LIE... The worst lie ever...
Look out here: http://www.ttk.gov.tr/ingilizce/armenian_studies/27mayis2005.pdf
In the first world war Armanians tried to stab Ottoman in the back. Ottomon were in war in everyway, south,north,west and east. The countrys who were in war with Ottoman thinked that use Armanians against Ottoman, so they can defeat Ottoman easily. So all armanians are sopperted by Russians and Englishs to revolt in arms against Ottoman. They started to kill muslims,women,children,men started to rape women,burn the villages,and so many shit like that. So Ottoman diceded to make them migrate to Syria(at that time Syria was in Ottoman, so they didnt go another country, they went to another where in same country. But when Ottoman make them migrate, war was going on hardly. Anatolia are also in war whit epidemic diseases. And in the ways,so many Armanian die because war or disease and bad sitiations. And i want to make everybody know there was no armanian about 1.5 milion in Ottoman. They are about 600.000(an important notice: Ottomans offical register was Armanian) If Turks wanted to kill and destroy Armanians we have the power to do it, but we are Turks, that's the difference, we are not Germany, we are not U.S.,we are not U.K, France or Armania. The best dicision was make them migrate(All armanians didnt forced to migrate,only the armanians in eastern Turkey(most of them in eastern, about %80)), . I want to say some turks killed armanians,armanians killed turks,this is truth.And people who was gulty (becasue of so many armanian died) are punished by Ottoman.
This guy never tells really what happened,they dont tell more than 400 muslim turkish pregnant women killed in Van(they found in Van Lake) They dont tell what happened in 1991 in Azerbajian, ın Hocalı city.Who was the fist terrosits of the world? Who killed turkish diplomats in Abroad. Please tell them. Please tell the truths.
I want to add We are not middle eastern country and nation, we are ASIAN and Erosian, please read history later come here and try to do your propaganda.
Everybody is sorry for all nations died in 1ww(i dont want to say how many turkish died in ww1,and i dont want to say armanians did a turkish genocide, becasue we have lived like brothers along 800years. We can still be brothers. Dont forget it. I dont forget the turks killed,innocent muslims killed, i dont forget armanians died,killed. But first of all yu must learn what is "genocide"? ok?
And i see somebody say something about Kurds, i dont understand who can protect terrorist. 40000 innocent people died in Turkey by terorism(PKK)=... DO YOU KNOW THAT??? Turkey has a 1 nation: TURKS found by türkmens,Circassian,Lazs,Tarar Turks,Kurds and other ethnic groups. We all 1nation. We speak same language we breath same air, we are all brothers. Kurds are one of the founders of this country,they are an important part of our natioan. Before emperialist used armanians today they tryin to use kurds. You dont know anything pople,please open your eyes. PLEASE
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WTF is a "Armanian"?
I rest my case.
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WTF is a "Armanian"?
I rest my case.
first terrorist organization found by Armanian goverment to kill Turkish diplomats and they supported by France and another countrys. But they bombed some turks in an airplane in France and so many French died too, and France took back their support(you see this is "emperialism" they said this isterror until frenchs die ;)
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ALSO CHECK IT
http://www.human.az/
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Why won't the US acknowledge it?
The U.S. has ties with Turkey, much stronger ties than it does with Armenia. Number one, the U.S. has military bases in Turkey. Number 2, Turkey is one of the few Middle Eastern nations that cooperates with the U.S.
Why Turkey won't recognize it? because they're afraid that some people would ask for monetary reparations or giving lands back. I don't even care about reparations, i just want recognition. The fact is, Turkey won't join the European union because every country in the E.U. has to approve, and last time they voted on it, Austria declided Turkey's entry because of the denial of the Genocide
NOW EVERYBODY LISTEN TO ME!!!
Armanian Genocide!!! Is An EMPERIALIST LIE... The worst lie ever...
Look out here: http://www.ttk.gov.tr/ingilizce/armenian_studies/27mayis2005.pdf
In the first world war Armanians tried to stab Ottoman in the back. Ottomon were in war in everyway, south,north,west and east. The countrys who were in war with Ottoman thinked that use Armanians against Ottoman, so they can defeat Ottoman easily. So all armanians are sopperted by Russians and Englishs to revolt in arms against Ottoman. They started to kill muslims,women,children,men started to rape women,burn the villages,and so many shit like that. So Ottoman diceded to make them migrate to Syria(at that time Syria was in Ottoman, so they didnt go another country, they went to another where in same country. But when Ottoman make them migrate, war was going on hardly. Anatolia are also in war whit epidemic diseases. And in the ways,so many Armanian die because war or disease and bad sitiations. And i want to make everybody know there was no armanian about 1.5 milion in Ottoman. They are about 600.000(an important notice: Ottomans offical register was Armanian) If Turks wanted to kill and destroy Armanians we have the power to do it, but we are Turks, that's the difference, we are not Germany, we are not U.S.,we are not U.K, France or Armania. The best dicision was make them migrate(All armanians didnt forced to migrate,only the armanians in eastern Turkey(most of them in eastern, about %80)), . I want to say some turks killed armanians,armanians killed turks,this is truth.And people who was gulty (becasue of so many armanian died) are punished by Ottoman.
CeyCey, assalamualaikum brother... much props and respects, I am reading through all the information and websites you supplied and I'm going to come back with a detailed response to everything. My only line in the beggining was that people couldn't automatically accept the first thing they were hearing in the media, because many who own major media corporations have an agenda against Muslims. That was all I said, and all these people came on here and blasted me and treated me like I was the Shatan or something. I knew someone like you who has knowledge and experience of the regions and people involved could come and shed light on the subject.
Anyway, I'll be back with more response later, I want to read the rest of your info and websites you supplied. Salaam.
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Why won't the US acknowledge it?
The U.S. has ties with Turkey, much stronger ties than it does with Armenia. Number one, the U.S. has military bases in Turkey. Number 2, Turkey is one of the few Middle Eastern nations that cooperates with the U.S.
Why Turkey won't recognize it? because they're afraid that some people would ask for monetary reparations or giving lands back. I don't even care about reparations, i just want recognition. The fact is, Turkey won't join the European union because every country in the E.U. has to approve, and last time they voted on it, Austria declided Turkey's entry because of the denial of the Genocide
NOW EVERYBODY LISTEN TO ME!!!
Armanian Genocide!!! Is An EMPERIALIST LIE... The worst lie ever...
Look out here: http://www.ttk.gov.tr/ingilizce/armenian_studies/27mayis2005.pdf
In the first world war Armanians tried to stab Ottoman in the back. Ottomon were in war in everyway, south,north,west and east. The countrys who were in war with Ottoman thinked that use Armanians against Ottoman, so they can defeat Ottoman easily. So all armanians are sopperted by Russians and Englishs to revolt in arms against Ottoman. They started to kill muslims,women,children,men started to rape women,burn the villages,and so many shit like that. So Ottoman diceded to make them migrate to Syria(at that time Syria was in Ottoman, so they didnt go another country, they went to another where in same country. But when Ottoman make them migrate, war was going on hardly. Anatolia are also in war whit epidemic diseases. And in the ways,so many Armanian die because war or disease and bad sitiations. And i want to make everybody know there was no armanian about 1.5 milion in Ottoman. They are about 600.000(an important notice: Ottomans offical register was Armanian) If Turks wanted to kill and destroy Armanians we have the power to do it, but we are Turks, that's the difference, we are not Germany, we are not U.S.,we are not U.K, France or Armania. The best dicision was make them migrate(All armanians didnt forced to migrate,only the armanians in eastern Turkey(most of them in eastern, about %80)), . I want to say some turks killed armanians,armanians killed turks,this is truth.And people who was gulty (becasue of so many armanian died) are punished by Ottoman.
CeyCey, assalamualaikum brother... much props and respects, I am reading through all the information and websites you supplied and I'm going to come back with a detailed response to everything. My only line in the beggining was that people couldn't automatically accept the first thing they were hearing in the media, because many who own major media corporations have an agenda against Muslims. That was all I said, and all these people came on here and blasted me and treated me like I was the Shatan or something. I knew someone like you who has knowledge and experience of the regions and people involved could come and shed light on the subject.
Anyway, I'll be back with more response later, I want to read the rest of your info and websites you supplied. Salaam.
Except it wasn't the media that made this post. It was someone who had family where it happened. My grandfather was a young boy in Greece when this was going on and he remembered hearing all about first hand by Armenians he had met. It wasn't some white power news source that I heard it from.
You only do this when something comes up where somene other than white people were responsible for horror. If this was a thread made by an arab about how it wasn't Saddam that went after the kurds but it was the US or Britain, you'd probably call it an interesting theory and support it. You are one sided and transparent, of course there is nothing new about that. Have you considered therapy? (and before you give me some crab about all you need is a wise old Imam, we already know your pro-muslim, agenda. I'm just curious if you have seen a psychiatrist and what you concluded or would conclude from the advice you got or would get from it).
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you see there is nobody can talk about this lie, becasue they also know the truth, Türkiye governments always says come and discuss this claim on an international court to reach a dicision. But they never accepted it,and i'm sure they will never accept it because they know we got so many real Ottoman,Russian,German and U.K. documents to reply their false documents and lies. World! See the truths
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you see there is nobody can talk about this lie, becasue they also know the truth, Türkiye governments always says come and discuss this claim on an international court to reach a dicision. But they never accepted it,and i'm sure they will never accept it because they know we got so many real Ottoman,Russian,German and U.K. documents to reply their false documents and lies. World! See the truths
Nah, it's just that people smell bullshit. It's alright man, your ancestors killed mine, just get over it.....but don't tell me that damn near 2 million people just disappeared.
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no one said the armenians were innocently led to their slaughter
those lil shits were trouble makers no doubt
but there def. was a systemic attempt to persecute the armenian population
now to a nationalist turk,that is justifiable
common sense would dictate otherwise
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you see there is nobody can talk about this lie, becasue they also know the truth, Türkiye governments always says come and discuss this claim on an international court to reach a dicision. But they never accepted it,and i'm sure they will never accept it because they know we got so many real Ottoman,Russian,German and U.K. documents to reply their false documents and lies. World! See the truths
Nah, it's just that people smell bullshit. It's alright man, your ancestors killed mine, just get over it.....but don't tell me that damn near 2 million people just disappeared.
which 2million people are you talkin bout mane? there was about 600000 armanian in Ottoman and all of them were not migrated,there was no military operations on them. The armanians who died in the migrate, none of them has killed by soldiers. They killed by some gangs but most of them died becasuse of disease. In Türkiye so many muslims and christians died by disease like armanians. You think that only armanians died??? The armanians in south Türkiye(city Adana) supported by France to kill muslims. But when France Army accepted the defeat and fell back and left the Türkiye, Armanians were afraid of muslims, becasue they did too much bad thing when France was there and now there was no Emperialist power to suport them so They left the Türkiye, like so many where. They betrayed their homeland,they betrayed their muslim neighbors. Do you know, when war was began, Türk men who went to war,commited their wifes and childs. Armanians and Turks were like brothers, bu Emperialists tryed to fuck the world again, like they always do. And they succeced. We Türks beat all of them and make them fall back our country, an independent country. Who lost? Armanians. Why? they know the answer. Still there are many Armanians in Türkiye. We are still friends and brothers. Everybody have to know that. Diaspora is the most dangerous thing for Armanians. They have to leave them alone. If there was anybody still want to talk about genocide. I advice them read the history, the real history. So they can learn what is genocide and turkish genocide in 1ww, and in 1991 in Azerbajian.
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you see there is nobody can talk about this lie, becasue they also know the truth, Türkiye governments always says come and discuss this claim on an international court to reach a dicision. But they never accepted it,and i'm sure they will never accept it because they know we got so many real Ottoman,Russian,German and U.K. documents to reply their false documents and lies. World! See the truths
Nah, it's just that people smell bullshit. It's alright man, your ancestors killed mine, just get over it.....but don't tell me that damn near 2 million people just disappeared.
which 2million people are you talkin bout mane? there was about 600000 armanian in Ottoman and all of them were not migrated,there was no military operations on them. The armanians who died in the migrate, none of them has killed by soldiers. They killed by some gangs but most of them died becasuse of disease. In Türkiye so many muslims and christians died by disease like armanians. You think that only armanians died??? The armanians in south Türkiye(city Adana) supported by France to kill muslims. But when France Army accepted the defeat and fell back and left the Türkiye, Armanians were afraid of muslims, becasue they did too much bad thing when France was there and now there was no Emperialist power to suport them so They left the Türkiye, like so many where. They betrayed their homeland,they betrayed their muslim neighbors. Do you know, when war was began, Türk men who went to war,commited their wifes and childs. Armanians and Turks were like brothers, bu Emperialists tryed to fuck the world again, like they always do. And they succeced. We Türks beat all of them and make them fall back our country, an independent country. Who lost? Armanians. Why? they know the answer. Still there are many Armanians in Türkiye. We are still friends and brothers. Everybody have to know that. Diaspora is the most dangerous thing for Armanians. They have to leave them alone. If there was anybody still want to talk about genocide. I advice them read the history, the real history. So they can learn what is genocide and turkish genocide in 1ww, and in 1991 in Azerbajan
I'm going to have to prove you wrong, after i finish my midterm tomorrow. There is pictures of turkish soldiers with dead armenians, you just have to look a little harder
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you see there is nobody can talk about this lie, becasue they also know the truth, Türkiye governments always says come and discuss this claim on an international court to reach a dicision. But they never accepted it,and i'm sure they will never accept it because they know we got so many real Ottoman,Russian,German and U.K. documents to reply their false documents and lies. World! See the truths
Nah, it's just that people smell bullshit. It's alright man, your ancestors killed mine, just get over it.....but don't tell me that damn near 2 million people just disappeared.
which 2million people are you talkin bout mane? there was about 600000 armanian in Ottoman and all of them were not migrated,there was no military operations on them. The armanians who died in the migrate, none of them has killed by soldiers. They killed by some gangs but most of them died becasuse of disease. In Türkiye so many muslims and christians died by disease like armanians. You think that only armanians died??? The armanians in south Türkiye(city Adana) supported by France to kill muslims. But when France Army accepted the defeat and fell back and left the Türkiye, Armanians were afraid of muslims, becasue they did too much bad thing when France was there and now there was no Emperialist power to suport them so They left the Türkiye, like so many where. They betrayed their homeland,they betrayed their muslim neighbors. Do you know, when war was began, Türk men who went to war,commited their wifes and childs. Armanians and Turks were like brothers, bu Emperialists tryed to fuck the world again, like they always do. And they succeced. We Türks beat all of them and make them fall back our country, an independent country. Who lost? Armanians. Why? they know the answer. Still there are many Armanians in Türkiye. We are still friends and brothers. Everybody have to know that. Diaspora is the most dangerous thing for Armanians. They have to leave them alone. If there was anybody still want to talk about genocide. I advice them read the history, the real history. So they can learn what is genocide and turkish genocide in 1ww, and in 1991 in Azerbajan
I'm going to have to prove you wrong, after i finish my midterm tomorrow. There is pictures of turkish soldiers with dead armenians, you just have to look a little harder
Of course our soldier killed Armanian gangs, are you crazy? These gangs were killing innocent people who are not armanian, and they were attacking Turkish army when we were in war with Russia. I will make you see the mass graves in Türkiye, which have too many people killed by armanians. We still find mass graves in Türkiye and most of them are people who killed by armanians. Do you want to see truths? i am waiting for you. This situation is not political, it is historical, if Armanian diaspora really believe their lies, they can accept to discuss this claims based on history in international courses
maybe you wanna see this... All these women and children Türks who had been killed with axes and bayonets by Armanians, they found in a mass grave in Kars
(http://www.turkishresponse.com/turkce/images/katliamlar/subatan.jpg)
The photograph taken on April 25 th 1918
THE REPORT ON EXCAVATION OF THE MASS-GRAVES IN KARS - SUBATAN
One of the excavations of the mass-graves aiming to explore the events happened in Eastern Anatolia betweeen 1915 and 1918 has been done in Kars-Subatan (Figure 1.) The opening of the mass-graves in Subatan village which is situated near Ani Örenyeri, on the boarders of Turkey-Russia, 28 kilometres in the east of Kars was carried out on Governor of Kars, S.Filtekin, the Mayor of Kars, Prof.Dr.Hursit Ertugrul, the president of Atatürk University, Prof.Dr.Ahmet Cakir, the dean of Science and Literature Faculty of the same university and Prof.Dr.Enver Konukcu, Prof.Dr.Azmi Süslü from Ankara University, Prof.Dr.Metin Özbek from Hacettepe University, Prof.Dr.Fahrettin Kirzioglu From Gazi University, Prof.Dr.Metin Tuncel from Istanbul University, Assoc.Prof.Dr.Abdüsselam Ulucam from 100.Yil University and Ali Ercan, the director of Kars museum.
(http://www.turkishresponse.com/turkce/images/katliamlar/subatan_4b.jpg)The excavations in Subatan village which has about 20-30 houses of Moslem population today were carried out in accordance with the oral statements of 120 year old Fariz Öztürk and 95 year old Duraga Öztürk who witnessed the events. They were conducted in a 8x10 meter hole which was opened in the barn in Köseogullari district (Figure 2). The first works were started in A1 hole within the field divided into four separate 4-5 meter areas. The excavation which had been realized in a wide surface first was narrowed down to the inner crosspoint of A1 and B1 holes After having removed the 40 centimeter earth, the first skeletons were found. It was observed that most of these skeletons which were found with some personal belongings belong to children between the age groups of 0-1.
(http://www.turkishresponse.com/turkce/images/katliamlar/subatan_4c.jpg)
Another group of skeletons which was found in 80 centimeters depth in A1 hole displayed quite a shocking scene. These skeletons which were located in the north-south direction must belong to a mother and her daughter. The woman fell onto her right side and embraced the child with her left arm. The two stroke marks found on the head of the woman prove that they were killed with an axe or some other sharp instrument. The first stroke mark is not as deep as the second one. Both the woman and the child were buried in their clothes.
(http://www.turkishresponse.com/turkce/images/katliamlar/subatan_4d.jpg)
Another skeleton group was found in the south corner of A1 hole. Only a few of these could be analyzed. As these analyses show, bodies were thrown haphazardly. The rest of the findings were after of a belt, a pair of ear-rings, a number of colored beads of a small necklace; decayed wooden beams and were given to Kars Museum to be displayed in the newly opened Genocide Section for exhibition.
According to the oral statements of the witnesses, Fariz Öztürk and Duraga Öztürk whose statements are supported by the archive documents, the massacre committed by Armenians happened in the following way: The Tashnak-Armenian guerrillas who retreated from Kars and Sarikamis attacked Subatan village where Turkish, Armenian and Greek people lived together were captured wildly without feeling pity. According to the photographs in the archives and findings of the excavations, the women, children and old men who had been killed with axes and bayonets were left in the streets. The archive documents show that a total of 570 people were murdered in the village. After the withdrawal of Armenians, Turkish soldiers came to the district. The soldiers with the help of survivors collected the corpses, which were decayed and eaten by dogs, to an area and put them in a barn. Due to the hard conditions of that time and lack of time, the bodies were buried together. Some other mass-graves were formed by collapsing the roofs of barns. The archive documents and statements of witnesses show that in three separate mass-graves in Subatan, there are a numbers of martyrs buried. In the barn in Köseogullari district , more than 180, in Tiptip street more than 25 and in the barn which is located in the south of the village mosque more than 350 bodies are buried.
Prof. Dr. Cevat BASARAN
Archaeologist